>combat from the director of DMC and Dragon's Dogma
>combat sucks ass
What gives?

>"combat sucks"
>me when I lie on the internet

>>716030253
as an autistic action game fag yes FFXVI fails as both an action game and as an RPG
i fucking love the world and plot of it but the gameplay is genuinely atrocious

>>716030181 (OP)
>from the creators of...
No game has ever been good when marketed like this

>>716030181 (OP)
>Combat from directors of games with shit comboslop combat
>Shit combat
Wow who could have predicted that

>>716030181 (OP)
Ben Starr is such a bore

>>716030181 (OP)
First 15% was my dream FF when melee mattered. Than you get your second power and it becomes a timer countdown. It was just awful.

>>716030357

>>716030181 (OP)
They should have made it a Soulslike

>>716030357
>as an autistic action game fag
This just means the game isn't for you. You think it's for autistic actio game fags? It's for casual. What's the difference in the combat in this compared to say, Kingdom Hearts 3 or Black Myth Wukong where you just press one button to spam?

>>716031529
My dream

>>716030181 (OP)
>Very limited move sets limited further with gay ass cooldowns on a few moves
>Hitboxes not even close to accurate where some shit hit you a full second before the limb or weapon or whatever would reach you
It was just so unsatisfying

>>716030181 (OP)
I don’t know why Square is so retarded when it comes to making an action combat system for Final Fantasy.
Kingdom Hearts has been around since 2002 they could have just used that as their baseline. Instead they kept going back to the drawing board experimenting with dogshit ideas for 12, 13, 15, and 16.

yoshida breathed in his neck telling him to make the combat as streamlined and retard proof as possible

>>716030181 (OP)
>>716031529
This

Miss me yet?

>>716033838
No.

>>716030253
>press button for cutscene of summon power
>do this until health sponge dies

>>716030181 (OP)

>>716034434
I can't believe I fell for the launch hype and bought the first FF game since 13-1 and it disappointed me with exactly what you said. Also this is a Final Fantasy game that gives the player extra elemental magic to shoot using the triangle button and but there are no elemental weaknesses in the game. Makes me sad to see FF lose all of it's RPG mechanics. I hope it doesn't catch on but I know some people say anything with stats must make it an RPG game.

>>716033838
No, for all his flaws, Yoshida can deliver a game on time. This cunt announced some shit a few years and I think it's complete vaporware.

>>716030181 (OP)
Use of face buttons = worthless degeneracy.

Combat isn't why people play FF.

Probably better if triggers/shoulder buttons were used to cancel actions.

A lot done automatic. Hold buttons you don't want done. Hundreds of actions assigned to one.

Contain yourself. And unleash everything when necessary. Wade through targets to get to the piece psychologist student experimenter etc coward shit connecting them to an adverse institution.

Rip them apart. Or endure everything to show the rest it isn't enough to erase what's right and they can be decent, them.

Let out everything when about to be hit maybe. Counter attacks. Absorb their damage, like carrying a ball you catch, taking it and slowing it rather than stopping it.

Not gook kill everything for exp cancer.

Start out strong. Get a little revives and additions along the way, maybe better, suited to the times good for them. But don't lose what you were, what you were for. Better world made not lost in, real wrong not to ignore and accept, never enough payment otherwise for such pain to exist. Nor persist. Some goods in ignorance kept. See them possible without producing pain. Not horrors for others, and not revel in wrong as if defeating temptation to suppress self and civilisation.

Hold standards. Far wrong tries on you, you make you more tolerable of lesser wrong.

Stay loyal. Butcher the university educated. Sources of murder, mind destruction, torture. Kill them all.

Or condemn them to unworthy priorities. Invested in what deserves and improves freedom. All for prisoners, poor, wronged.

Innocent and untouched kept so, but saving what's preyed upon more important. Out of hell is enough. But empathy demands it ended. Enlisted in that once aware of it unfortunately. But making heaven necessary. Somewhere different to dungeons. Keep it going even if the traitors take credit, and punishment for producing it.

Face hoardes. None saying themselves responsible. Adapted to taking to live. Unwilling to d

>>716030181 (OP)
>>combat sucks ass
It's not comparable to the depth of DMC sure but it was alright certainly better than most similar RPGs. I understand why FF fans didn't like the game as it's basic RPG features like crafting and side quests are poorly made but I enjoyed it. Beautiful graphics and soundtrack, decent cast and DMC-lite gameplay gave me a fun experience.

>>716038292
what an extremely low quality post

>>716032295
The 7 remakes take a few cues from KH and ended up with the better action combat of the lot

>>716030181 (OP)
It's simple but it works at the beginning of the game. The game is balanced around doing chip damage to build up a stagger gauge where you get the chance to unload on the boss and do real damage, but by the end of the game after you've unlocked all the ultimate abilities you can have 7 moves on your slots that all make you invulnerable and do a massive AoE that wipes everything out on screen and the animations are so long that they start to come off cool down by the time you've finished pressing them all. I think you could get a full minute and a half of invulnerability or something retarded like that.

Busted bullshit game that's only fun if you intentionally limit yourself and force yourself to use varied combos and don't use anything too strong like DMC lol

>>716030181 (OP)
They couldn't make a proper action game because that might alienate the turn-based audience, please understand.

It's literally DD combat, dude. Except for the fact that you can't change job and each summons doesn't really add that much variety to how you approach each combat. And without it's weight because it tried to copy DMC. It also kinda have the same problem with DD, namely, combat encounter variety is severely limited. Like seriously, I think like there's only 4 variations. Humans+goblin, fast moving quad animals, a slightly bigger humanoid with shield/ogres, beasts. Even then, humans+gobb and fast animals could be dealt with the exact same way/method.

>>716041773
This what pisses me off. If they want to make a proper action game, just go full steam ahead. Trying to appease people that won't try your game is ridiculously stupid decision. VIIRe is the only proper combat system that they should use going forward if they want a real time element in their RPGs. Going full DMC just doesn't fit. Not to mention, DMCs in general are way shorter than RPGs. No one like to juggle, and doing the same combos for 60 hours.

>>716041773
>>716043260
what the fuck are you pajeetniggers talking about? XVI combat is literally what it is because yoshifraud thinks turn based is antiquated and that people don't want it anymore you gaslighting pieces of shit, you got exactly the shit you wanted

>>716030181 (OP)
DMC and DD doesn't have amazing combat either

>>716043086
>each summons doesn't really add that much variety to how you approach each combat
Oh, they absolutely do. Garuda is what enables aerial combat in this game as a whole for example. Bahamut can be used as a perfect dodge to instantly charge to level 1, it's obscenely powerful this way. Not even talking about Shiva, Odin and DLC ones, they are fucking insane mechanically.

>>716030181 (OP)
>mash attack
>use cooldown abilites
>mash attack
>STAGGER
>Devil Trigger
>mash attack
>use cooldown abilites

>>716030181 (OP)
I literally dropped this game at the tutorial fight. It was so bad. Only other game that made me do this was Witcher 3

>>716030379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh7_POC2ueQ

It would be a lot better if it was more challenging. There are some difficulty mods on PC and that plus not using potions (like you would in DMC) makes it pretty fun.

>>716043086
I think kind of the opposite where summons change combat too much so when you're given the opportunity to swap out summons you don't want to.

Like I don't want to lose garuda grab, ifrit dash, titan block, ramuh's projectiles, Bahamut's timed evades gaining charge are all fun, even shiva and odin are cool but you have to swap them out and some feel so essential that you don't even want to use new stuff when you get it.

>>716041505
This is related but part of the problem in the design where it's very limited so obviously you're going to get the strongest stuff and just use that but it naturally phases out earlier moves that are just worse and each summon has a massive cinematic attack (that costs points) so the player is naturally incentivised.
>use the weak stuff at first
>get 3 main things and not play with everything else
>get the strongest moves for each of your main summons limiting your creativity and fun
>spam each of those

>>716049327
Difficulty mod + cheat engine table for two more eikon skill slots improves the gameplay tenfold. The only major downside remaining is a ton of filler baked into the story.

The least ambitious Final Fantasy...

>>716050086
>even shiva and odin are cool
Shiva and Odin are by far the biggest gamechangers in vanilla. Shiva gives you directional trickster dodges that freeze entire battlefield on perfect dodge, Odin gives you an entirely new moveset with its own gimmicks plus a universal cancel move. I'd say the only eikon more bullshit than them is Leviathan which allows you to play a full fledged water caster.

>>716030181 (OP)
I don't think it's terrible but it feels like you're stuck playing just one character in a Tales game.
Speaking of, why did this shit copy tales of arises plot entirely 1:1? There's no way it's a coincidence there are way too many similarities.

>>716050467
They come so late in the game that I didn't play with them that much.

>>716050507
>stuck playing just one character in a Tales game.
People actually play non-main characters in tales?

>>716050507
>Speaking of, why did this shit copy tales of arises plot entirely 1:1? There's no way it's a coincidence there are way too many similarities.
Arise, FF16 and Xenoblade 3 all came around the same time and featured similar stories, it's just some zeitgeist shit.

>>716031576
>Kingdom hearts 3
Well for one thing you don't need to cooldown swap to do damage.
KH knows to make your normal strings matter.
And they reward you for landing your strings during counters or during a recover window with more damage, especially on a lvl 1 playthrough.
All with "one button" and a command window
Doesnt feel as tedious.
(though KH3 arguably has the worst feeling KH strings due to your normal anims being slower and not blending as smoothly as KH2. That and taking everything to the air instead of being grounded)

>>716050507
>main character is a former slave with a tragic past, fire wielding swordsman. >Changes outfits multiple times through the story.
>ice queen love interest
>zephyr and cid are literally the same character, rebel leader who dies.
>plot about destroying the elemental crystals
>magic users are discriminated, slavery bad theme
>formulaic first half involving half assed politics. Go to new land, meet rebel force, gain their trust, solo everything yourself anyway.
>drop all the politics for aliens later.
>the alien final boss was behind everything from the start and has been controlling everything for thousands of years.