>game lets you kill all sorts of enemies
>confront the villain
>game tells you the main theme and message is if you kill your enemies they win

>>716032285 (OP)
That's not Avatars message you faggot

If you rape your rapist he wins

>>716032285 (OP)
Avatar was wokeslop

>>716032285 (OP)
Aang never killed anyone.

>>716032285 (OP)
Thanks for agreeing that Korra and the subsequent continuation to it are unblessed because of picrel alone which was meant to be a cry for help.

The Firelord in the legend of Korra is the daughter of Zuko and Azula

>>716034495
>>716034878
We don’t talk about Korra round these parts

The entire second half of the last season really sucked

>>716035258
>you cannot talk about the exact franchise that treats the original MC as trash like TLOU
So you're saying TLOU 1 is bad even without considering the existence of TLOU 2?

>>716033992
Aang stacked fucking bodies. He pushed people off the northern air temple and threw people off boats like 100 times throughout the series.
What do you think happens to someone if you dump them in the middle of the ocean then sail away?

>>716032285 (OP)
it is I
the avatar loremaster
ask your questions and I shall answer

>>716032285 (OP)
Trigun did it better btw

>>716035472
naw, cartoon characters don't die when they fall offscreen. They literally just fall out of the story and nothing happens to them unless they get brought back in.

>>716032347
>game about you getting revenge on an old friend turned nemesid who raped your mom, your sister, your wife, your daughter, and even your dog
>in the end you get your revenge by raping him
>after you've blown your load multiple times on his face and in his ass he smirks and laughs then tells you this was his plan all along
>the sole reason he raped everyone you love is because he knew that you'd seek revenge by raping him and all he ever wanted since he first met you was to be raped by you
Could be kino

>>716035539
Why is lightning firebending instead of airbending? Never made any fucking sense to me.

>>716035962
Because it’s primarily about the spiritual side.
Air is about freedom, indirect conflict, surging between motions and moving around obstacles. Lightning is directed, explosive and blasts into whatever it meets unless something else changes it.

>>716036459
Why is lava firebending and not earthbending?

>>716035962
lightning can catch shit on fire. It's a highly volatile energy, like fire.
I get that lightning comes from clouds which are in the sky but it's very different in practice to air bending.

>>716036870
it isn't.
Lava bending IS earth bending.

>>716037175
No?
It's used by a firebender in avatar.

>>716037267
Roku steam bent the heat from the lava to harden it.

>>716037391
No, this one.
https://youtu.be/cs95gaAK7io?si=umMOLxEwU_aLg7gA&t=52

>>716035539
how op is blood bending and whats the counter play?

>>716037267
no, it's most certainly not.
We saw a flashback of Szeto and Kyoshi lava bending, then the next time we saw anyone lava bend it was a kid in the fire nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom in The Promise, a comic set after book 3, and we didn't see another lava bender until Ghazan and Bolin in Korra, both Earth benders.
Closest we get to a fire bender lava bending is when Sozin hardened lava by expelling heat from it, but that's honestly closer to air bending than anything, and is more like "heat" bending than anything else. And desu we actually see fire benders manipulate heat without direct fire so that might just be something in their wheelhouse

>>716037536
>>716037465

>>716037465
that is Avatar Szeto.
He's an avatar, and thus an Earth Bender

>>716037465
That's an avatar though. He can do both.

>>716037582
>>716037598

???
We see an earthbender bend earth
We see a waterbender bend water
We see an airbender bend air
We see a firebender bend... earth

What sense does that make?
They each bent their element except the last guy who decided to do something else?

>>716032285 (OP)
I cannot kill you Sir Machiavellian the Deceitful, Kingslayer and betrayer of the seven realms.
Your crimes are many, from the genocide of the innocents, to murdering those I care for and dooming the world.
But you have a dedicated voice actor we like a lot, so I must stay my blade and insure you're arrested. It's justice that I uphold and the people will judge ou.
May you rot for five years in jail before you break out off screen in a novel so we can have our sequel.

>>716037643
It is dumb but yeah. We have never seen a non avatar firebender do it. They can't. For that scene in season one they went with rule of cool because lava is cool but by the rules of the setting they can't and we've never seen one do it who couldn't also bend earth. The one possible exception is Sozin during the flashback episode who heat bends lava and they visually represent that in a way that looks like steam which is a waterbender thing but it was just a visual aid for the children.

This trope is prevalent in capitalist media because they don't want to inspire people like Luigi

>>716037502
>how op is blood bending
entirely overstated by secondary retards.
So, it is extremely powerful and basically an instant win button if you're not an omega powerful water bender, but there have been 5 characters in the entire series who can do it. Hama, Katara, Tarrlok, Yakone, and Amon. Setting retarded "psychic blood bending aside", blood bending is even more small potatoes sense the normal water bender needs to be boosted by the full moon, otherwise they can't even use it.
So, a GG instant win, that can only be used by omega super generational 1 in 100 year talents being boosted by the full moon. That can be countered by fighting on any of the other 29 days of the month, I guess.
It IS strong but it is an incredibly situational power. Can also be canceled out by just being a really good water bender. Katara was able to cancel out Hama's blood bending and Avatar State Aang was able to regain control of his body from Yakone, and Aang doesn't even know water bending.

>>716037643
Well, to be fair the point of the flash back was actually showing extreme power feats using the avatar states, but yeah it was poorly expressed thematically. Lava Bending has still never been done by anyone besides Earth benders though

>>716037863
The power boost from korra was one of the worst parts of it. Suddenly every firebender can lightingbend and people can bloodbend whenever the fuck they feel like it. And the spiritual side was completely gutted as well.
>but its a different time, they don't need spirituality in the modern era, just science and industry
That may be true in our world but the spiritual component of bending was absolutely real in Airbender and emphasized from the very first episode.

>>716037863
>Aang doesn't even know water bending.
blood bending**
>>716038012
yeah Korra sucked dick. In fact, every random dick being able to lightning bend doesn't even make sense. Lo and Li and Iroh even say if you don't do it right you can fucking explode.
>anyone can bloodbend
alright, it was gay, but they at least gave some kind of cool explanation that it was a very specific genetic trait of Yakone's bloodline. Still gay but it's not like everyone was running around doing it
Korra was a hot fucking mess, it sucked so fucking bad.

>>716035962
both are forms of hot energy

>>716037863
since element bending starts with conjuring an element except for, blood blending, which iirc it requires the bender and the victim to have eye contact or certain size AOE to perform, wouldnt toph able to hit blood benders from far away range since she is able to detect a person through seismic radar, better yet, seal the blood bender like a coffin with metal/earth bending

>>716038181
>spiritual bridge?
>lmao nigga the avatar is actually just a big white kite bitch who lives in your balls

>>716038264
Yes, but in Korra Im pretty sure they don't need eye contact anymore. Korra sucks though so feel free to disregard it entirely.

>>716038331
i wish that the entirety of korra seasons would showcase element evolution but more extended, the only new things they introduced were lava bending and self flight, idk what else, is conjuring laser beam called bending? Idk man

>>716038264
>which iirc it requires the bender and the victim to have eye contact or certain size AOE to perform
neither are true. Literally just bend the water in their body, it ain't that deep. Realistically it might have trouble on a being the size of godzilla or something since you can only manipulate so much water, but any reasonably sized creature should be easy
>toph launching rocks from mil away sniping blood benders
yeah that'll do it
>seal them in an earth coffin
WELL, you can bend water you can physically see so getting too close to the coffin might prove fatal

>revenge is le bad
Why?

>>716038276
I don't actually mind the idea of the Avatar being a human soul bonded with a spirit. In fact, the Avatar, bridge between human and spirit being half human and half spirit makes sense.
I don't think all the Avatar Wan shit was done spectacularly well but Rava wasn't terrible. Dark Avatar shit was a cool idea too but terribly executed

>>716038563
Why does Shanoa have a gun?

>>716033992

>>716038462
lava bending was in ATLA

>>716038331
>Yes, but in Korra Im pretty sure they don't need eye contact anymore
literally the first scene of blood bending in the entire series was Hama blood bending a rat with her eyes closed

>>716033992

>>716035539
E;R when the fuck is the new Whorra video coming out

>>716038646
Don't forget the Earth soldiers he froze in the moat. They weren't even Dai Li, just killed for doing their job

>>716038646
that's a bug

>>716038646
buzzard wasp might be ok

>>716038709
I'll accept this one as not counting since the spirit hijacked aang during it.

>>716038181
If Korra had been written well, it would have been about the demystification of the martial arts, which would allow more people to use bending techniques but at the cost of their spiritual side. Shit like pro bending would be emblematic of utterly soulless styles being used and championed, and to contrast techniques like lightning bending would be practically mythical due to the users lacking any foundation to understand it.
There’s such amazing potential for a fantasy setting all about spirituality going into a more modern age, and the only time it was utilised was for the most pants on head retarded season of the show.

>strongest to weakest nation ranking
>Earth
>Fire
>Air
>
>
>
>Water

>avatar thread
>0 girls posted
what the fuck

>>716038729
wb the fire soldiers he sent down a cliff with an avalanche in the northern air temple

>>716033992
He claims to not, but he was slicing ships in half in the attack on the northern water tribe. How many, do you suppose, drowned below deck by the hands of the pacifist?

>>716038710
E;R is a giant retard
at least watch Avatar Explained or something. Which after Korra ended has just kind of been videos reiterating he doesn't like anime but the other shit is still there

>>716037465
>all these cool as fuck guys are gone forever now
Lol.

>>716038784
I understand your point, I've been an Azula simp since I was 8 but do you know how hard it is to get an ATLA thread about the actual show and not the girls? Let us have this.

>>716032285 (OP)
I'll never understand the obsession with Avatar. It was okay. The franchise deserved to be pozzed by Korra.

>>716038759
Thats like saying a drunk driver gets off scott free because corporate made “happy juice” got him to kill that family. Aang killed them.

>>716033992
I distinctly remember him blowing up tanks. That's easily 5 guys per tank

>>716035539
why was energy-bending deus ex'd in at the 11th hour when chi blocking has already been an established (yet unexplored) element of the setting?
is crippling a man a bit too edgy? is the angle of physical defeat less cool compared to the battle of wills? that doesn't sound too well since aang had no real rebuttal to previous incarnations, and should already be over his cultural hangups as he chose katara over enlightenment earlier

>>716038797
no body means they lived

>>716038830
Had to make way for avatar rug muncher anon. Though the new show is post apocalyptic. I will give it a chance if the world going to shit was explicitly the fault of Korra being a massive fuckup and losing the past lives. Remember, the avatar state is not just a power boost. It's tapping into the knowledge and experience of all the past avatars at once. If the only avatar you have access to is Korra you would probably lose to a particularly strong child even in the avatar state.

>>716035539
How tight is Toph?

>>716038913
You know, it was really unclear
>>716038897
Because nothing is perfect on this bitch of an earth

>>716038780
Fire Nation won so fucking hard it isn't even funny, and they get magic comet that makes genuine avatar state level attacks. Even only once per 100 years they're so far above the others it's not even funny.
Realistically, I'd actually probably put Water Nation above Earth Kingdom for the fact that the North held out just as long as Ba Sing Se, and there are more water benders. Earth Benders are canonically the rarest of all benders, it's why with the exception of Ba Sing Se, all the earth kingdom got swallowed up pretty easily. Well, Omashu too but that's because Bumi was a roided out crazy person.
Then Earth kingdom
Then Air. Air Nomads had no formal military and retards got genocided. Can't exactly be the strongest if you get entirely wiped out to the last person

>>716033992
Didn't he make a big ass avalanche at an airbender temple once and there were like +40 fire nation soldiers underneath?

>>716038012
It's amazing how hard Korra ruined every single bending subskill and took away everything that made them special.
>Blood bending no longer needs the full moon, therefore any character that can blood bend is now insanely op
>Lightning bending no longer requires you to be a master that can separate the yin and yang energies or a cold blooded psychopath, now pretty much every single fire bender can use it (you also no longer guide the lightning, you simply point with your fingers and shoot)
>Metal bending no longer requires seismic sense, metal can be bended as easily as normal earth and there's an entire city full of metal benders

>>716038998
Earth Kingdom was holding strong against the Fire nation even though they had no real team work and they lost because they got betrayed.
The Air Nomads got ganked after the Fire Nation waited for a comet to come and they only came back for more with the next comet, and those air benders went out boxing.
The water nation lost on WATER against the Fire Nation that were coming at them with fucking ships. ON WATER.
They got no excuse. The fire nation barely saw them as an actual threat.

>>716038989
>nothing is perfect
fair enough
just wanted to hear more watsonian justifications, but sometimes there is nothing better than production details

>>716032285 (OP)
You'd have a point if Aang had ever killed anyone.

>>716038897
>why was energy-bending deus ex'd in at the 11th hour when chi blocking has already been an established (yet unexplored) element of the setting?
creators are hacks who genuinely stumbled onto making a good product. People think they accidentally made Korra bad, but in reality they accidentally made ATLA good. They wanted it to sound deep and mystified despite it going against the core tenants of the series. I accept the existence of energy bending, but I don't accept the whole "we bent not the elements, but the energy within ourselves" no you dumb fucking turtle, PRETTY SURE we bend the elements. To answer you question more directly though, Chi blocking actually kind of reinforces the idea that energy is used to power bending since blocking chi = no bending.
>is crippling a man too edgy?
taking away bending is a bit banal to label as "crippling" but Ozai should have been killed so I think he should count his blessing.
>is the angle of physical defeat less cool compared to the battle of wills?
I think the action is where the meat lies since it's a TV show first of all, but ending the ass whooping with a battle of wills shows a good total-victory since Aang REALLY fucked up Ozai with no recourse.
>aang had no real rebuttal to previous incarnations
Aang getting the business from his past lives is surprisingly common, but the generally accepted lore reason for his absolute refusal to kill was because, as the LAST airbender, if he were to break the tenants of his culture then it'd truly be lost. No one alive would truly be practicing the way of the Air Nomad. Frankly I don't think they're capable of thinking that well and it was just because it was a nickelodeon show, but it sounds good.
>he chose katara over enlightenment
wellll, Air Nomad culture is pretty vague about who and what they actually do. They seemed to practice the idea of love pretty liberally sometimes and the other times not. Like being cool with homos but segregating women. so who knows.

>>716038725
Aang freezes himself and gets thawed out unscathed. It's a cartoon.

>>716038812
I don't want to watch anyone other than E;R discussing this series on Youtube. I tried it once and they all sounded like pretentious and annoying art students.

>>716038983
>10 year old Chinese girl
Very

>>716037465
>>716037391
>>716037267
>>716037175
>>716036870
Lava bending is both fire and earth bending.

>>716038012
>>but its a different time, they don't need spirituality in the modern era, just science and industry
It should be the opposite, frankly. Bending is tied to spirituality and the focus of Korra should have been Korra's duty as an avatar to preserve spirituality and the sanctity of bending coming into direct conflict with technological progress and industry. And the drama surfaces from the fact that technology is really useful for a lot of things and can directly reduce suffering by giving people stuff like medicine, agriculture, and clean water. There should have been notably fewer benders because the world was becoming detached from spirituality and tradition as it moved towards industrialization and embraced science.

Basically the dilemma from Princess Mononoke, where you have the sick, the elderly, and the weak (people that would be killed out by nature) being saved by technology and industry, but to do so they are ravaging the environment/natural world and causing spiritual issues by fighting animal gods. They're not villains, because they need to survive and the natural world would kill them, but the natural world has a right to exist and they're practicing poor stewardship. The Avatar is the bridge between humanity and the spirit world, so it should have been her duty to resolve that conflict. Caught between preserving human lives and spirituality.

>>716039092
>Earth Kingdom was holding strong against the Fire nation
Ba Sing Se*
Earth Kingdom as a whole was almost entirely overtaken and they say multiple times that they're fighting a losing position. Plus, even before Azula takes over the Dai Li (somehow) if the Avatar weren't there, Ba Sing Se would have fallen because of the drill. Ba Sing Se was on borrowed time and only barely skated by with the power of the most powerful being in existence
>air nomads got ganked
Aang himself says that A) Air Nomads had no military and also that in his time it's impossible to get to air temples without a flying bison, so that means not only is the fire nation smarter, more cunning, strategic, but also more technologically advanced.
>lost on water
up until Zhao killed the moon spirit, they were giving Zhao the business. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, they even bring up the fact they're getting their ass beat with no real recourse. Of course, the only way Zhao knew to kill the moon spirit was because he went to Won Shi Tong's library, so again, fire nation supremacy, but if he didn't know about the secret moon killer cheat code, they wouldn't have a ton of options.
Plus if you're counting the Avatars help with the drill to prop up the Earth Kingdom then I get to use Fishzilla to prop up Northern Water tribe

>>716039346
>I tried it once and they all sounded like pretentious and annoying art students.
that's just everyone who actually likes shit on Youtube unfortunately. the modern normie doesn't actually care about shit and the only people who do are either pretentious fart sniffers or people who realize no one gives a fuck what they have to say.

>>716038998
Earth Benders are the rarest benders per capita (because they're the least spiritual), but Earth Kingdom is more populous than the other nations combined (even before the Air Nomads got wiped out). I mean, the vast majority of the entire show took place in Earth Kingdom lands (or Earth Kingdom lands occupied by the Fire Nation) because they have so much more territory and so many more settlements. So they're still probably the most common benders just by sheer population. They're just incredibly spread out and have a bunch of different city-states and isolated villages, it seems, so those smaller communities are easy pickings for the Fire Nation.

>>716039304
>They seemed to practice the idea of love pretty liberally sometimes and the other times not. Like being cool with homos but segregating women. so who knows.
Kek, that shit in the Korra comics was so funny.
>air nomads were based on real Buddhist monks who practiced celibacy to detach themselves from the world and famous Buddhists were also openly against homosexuality
>ackshually the air nomads had gay couples in their temples and were pro free love, and the fire nation banned gay marriage because they were LE BAD GUYS

>>716039514
never stated, but not UNLIKELY.
Kyoshi Roshi Aang and Szeto are avatars, Bolins dad was a fire nation citizen, and Sun was from a Fire Nation colony which frequently had fire nation x earth kingdom pairs. That being said we don't know a lot about Ghazan

>>716038763

Pretty solid anon. I like Korra for what it is but it lost a lot updating the setting.

>>716039089
Blood bending being freely usable was exclusive to Amon's bloodline, and this was so unprecedented that nobody believing it could exist was a major plot point
And the lightning and metal bending I think were still rarer skills, advancement from medieval societies just let those skills get cherrypicked from the general population(I haven't seen this shit since it came out, I don't remember if that's entirely true)

This is kind of an aside, but it's kind of incredible to me to see how directly you can compare discourse about bending in this series to what happened with actual chinese martial arts after the advent of objectively more efficient western fighting styles that had the benefit of being able to crowdsource optimization outside of the watch of pretentious elites and religious authorities

>game lets you make threads about cartoons on the video game board

>>716039304
>taking away bending is a bit banal
i meant specifically as a physical chi blocking technique
energy-bending leaves the victim nice and tv-appropriate, but we see how ty lee often leaves her opponents unable to move, if only partially and temporarily, so extrapolating that to permanent non-bending state does sound like crippling

>They seemed to practice the idea of love pretty liberally
it's not love that's the issue, but yangchen conveying to aang that the avatar has a "duty to the world" unlike regular air nomads who could abandon all profane attachments
your earlier point does address that, but the whole arc very explicitly showcased how air culture, in some capacity, goes against the nature of the avatar, and how aang need not concern himself with a being a "proper" air nomad (especially in such dire circumstances, it's not just culture that will be gone if aang goes celibate)

>>716038709

Not Aang doing it. Thats the fish spirit using Aang as a conduit

>>716039815
>Sozin hated fags
lmao genuinely forgot that
I don't mind the Air Nomads being free love hippies, it doesn't seem entirely out of their whole hippy dippy lifestyle, but I find it VERY funny that exists with their culture also separating men and women into different temples.
>gay poopy buttsex? that's fine.
>a vagina??? yuck, western air temple
in a bid to make air nomads more accepting, it actually made them look more like women hating faggots lmao

>>716038998
>Fire Nation won so fucking hard it isn't even funny, and they get magic comet that makes genuine avatar state level attacks. Even only once per 100 years they're so far above the others it's not even funny.
Water benders get the full moon once every month that makes their bending op. That's better than a comet once per century.
>Then Air. Air Nomads had no formal military and retards got genocided. Can't exactly be the strongest if you get entirely wiped out to the last person
To be fair I doubt they needed any sort of military forces. Air bending is probably the most op type of bending, and the other nation knew better than to fuck with them (until the Sozin Comet).

I think if they ever make another Avtar series it should be about them meeting an entire different continent on the other side of the globe populated by people who use traditional western wizard magic because I want to see who would win.

>>716039862
>I like Korra for what it is
I hate it. It shits on literally everything that made the original so good. It's an embarrassment, really. I think people are right when they call ATLA lightning in a bottle, considering how every story that was made for this series after the original was really terrible.
>>716039871
>Blood bending being freely usable was exclusive to Amon's bloodline, and this was so unprecedented that nobody believing it could exist was a major plot point
It's still bullshit when you have scenes like Yakon being able to bloodbend and paralyze an entire room of people (including Aang) when he's cuffed and doesn't even move his body. No one from ATLA who was touted as a "prodigy" was this overpowered.
>And the lightning and metal bending I think were still rarer skills
There was a scene of random underpaid wagies using lightning to power up a generator, and there's an entire city of metal benders. These subskills are really not as rare in Korra as the writers would want you to believe.

>>716040109
the water bending boost is small potatoes compared to comet boost. Ozai shooting fire from a different blimp was so strong Toph could FEEL how much fire there was. That's pretty crazy. Plus, kind of like I said in an earlier post, but the Fire Nation attacking and taking down the Northern Water Tribe would be hard without Won Shi Tong knowledge, but the southern water tribe + the foggy swamp people + earth benders launched an offensive on the fire benders when they lost all bending and STILL lost. Water Tribe is good at turtling, in fact they're very good, but Fire Nation still beats them into the ground.
>air is most OP
Earth is the most OP. Think about it from actual real life logic. The most basic of all the moves of bending
>Fire Bending: small blast of fire that realistically wouldn't even hurt you very much since it's not applied long enough
>air bending: strong gust of wind
>Water bender: small splash of water
>Earth Bending: launching a 150 pound rock at your head at mach fuck
Earth Benders, with very little training, are immediately lethal. Then when we get into mastering it and all that, the gap closes but not by a lot.
>Air Benders get uhhh
>Fire Benders get lightning (which IS bad ass)
>water benders get ice and blood (once per moon cycle)
>earth benders get lava and metal
Even in Korra the strongest city was Zaofu, a city powered by metal bending and was seen as impenetrable.
I will say air benders are probably second strongest though since 99.9% of people would have no counter to an air bender just making a mini tornado and flinging them 1000 feet into the air. Watch em go splat.

>>716038763
They sort of touched on this in Korra with Tenzin and Zaheer, but Tenzin was cast as the boomer who didn't really get these newfangled fighting styles and caring about the spirituality only because he wanted to hold onto his personal heritage, and Zaheer's plot was more focused on retard-level political analysis
It's kind of understandable that few others in the setting would care about that sort of thing, and it makes perfect sense that more efficient fighting would emerge in a modernized city culture and overtake often vestigial traditional ideas- if they were smart they'd focus on that being equally blown the fuck out by the spiritual practices that actually are better in the sequel stuff they're doing since Korra went out of its way to hard reintroduce spirits to the modern world

>>716039815

Bruh they are a people at the end of the day. They obviously made babies. The korra spirit thing was a one off.

>>716035472
Yeah, Aang does mental gymnastics like "I didn't kill them, they drowned themselves to death"
Literally his logic during his talk with Kyoshi.

>>716040619
meanwhile Kyoshi just moved an island and the retard stood on unstable ground and fell into the ocean after she had left and she took credit for it. Kyoshi is cool, I wish she wasn't a fag.

>>716040471
>These subskills are really not as rare in Korra as the writers would want you to believe.
I could easily believe that those skills are less rare than they would be in pre-industrial societies through pure changing of the times
There are a bunch of fundamental differences in how those two types of civilizations work that would both make it easier to use or internalize for those that can, and introduce the concept to people that would never have had the opportunity to try
Shit, the only reason metal bending is unique in the original series is because Toph literally discovered it through a miracle of multiple compounding circumstances

>>716040619
Goddamn Aang was so fucking annoying in that episode.
>seeks out past avatars for advice
>past avatars give him advice and tell him what they would do in his place
>"UGH I KNEW I SHOULDN'T HAVE ASKED KYOSHI FOR HELP NONE OF THESE PEOPLE GET ME"
And then he doesn't even learn that to put his avatar role before his spirituality because the lion turtle just gives him an asspull to solve Aang's internal dilemma.

>>716040576
There's a difference between babymaking for the sake of reproduction and engaging in love for the sake of actual romance (aka earthly attachments).

It's not that if Aang killed Ozai Ozai would win, it's that if Aang killed Ozai Aang would lose.

>>716040949
>I could easily believe that those skills are less rare than they would be in pre-industrial societies through pure changing of the times
Except that those subskills are clearly tied to the bender's spirituality (lightning especially).
>Shit, the only reason metal bending is unique in the original series is because Toph literally discovered it through a miracle of multiple compounding circumstances
And those circumstances are completely gone, even though most people presumably learned metal bending from Toph's teachings. No one uses seismic sense for metal bending like Toph did, and there's no actual explanation for how new metal bending works.

>>716040959

Wow its like inner conflict is a thing.

>>716035452
What are you even talking about? There is no Korra in Ba Sing Se.

>>716041197
The thing is Aang never learns that he was wrong to think like that and his problems get solved without him learning anything.
You missed reading the part of that post before acting like a smug tard.

>>716041001

Dude its a nation of people. There was Air nation stablehands, shepards and bakers. Its not a 1:1 analog of a real religious practice and thats ok.

Not every Buddhist is a monk and not every monk is a hardcore celibate.

>>716041110
>though most people presumably learned metal bending from Toph's teachings. No one uses seismic sense for metal bending like Toph did, and there's no actual explanation for how new metal bending works.
she opened a metal bending academy. And seismic sense actually later became standard among Earth benders, at least assumedly so. Aang and her daughters used it despite being able to see and other nameless earth benders in Korra mention being able to sense shit underground so they might also being using it.
There being so many metal benders doesn't make a ton of since though since in The Promise she can only find like 3 students in the entire surrounding area who can even have the potential to learn metal bending to any capacity (their full potential we see on screen capped out at them throwing coins at people) and yet there is entire police forces filled with them and an entire city who can use it more fluidly than we've ever seen Toph use it?
I don't think it breaks the universe to have other metal benders, but I think there being SO many who are SO good?
Fucky

MAI
That is all.

Avatar was always anime for gay babies who couldn't move one channel over to Cartoon Network and watch anime with blood in it.

>>716041110
>Except that those subskills are clearly tied to the bender's spirituality (lightning especially).
Maybe to some extent, but a lot of the fundamentals being cargo cult thinking or tied to unnecessary spiritual beliefs would track for a rare learned skill in an ancient society
>And those circumstances are completely gone, even though most people presumably learned metal bending from Toph's teachings. No one uses seismic sense for metal bending like Toph did, and there's no actual explanation for how new metal bending works.
Toph having her heightened senses for mineral composition due to being blind were how she discovered it, but you don't need to have a microscope on you constantly to know that things are made of cells or what kinds of cells would be most common in which places
Either they don't need to know that kind of intricate detail and all that matters is that their earthbending skills can affect the impurities, or metal bending being restricted to people with precise enough bending skills to manipulate earth that small means that they can be taught to sense it without needing circumstantially heightened senses

>>716041452
I think this was the worst character from the original series.

>>716041272

Why is it wrong? He has a personal code and is struggling with marring that with other expectations. The deus ex machina skill should have been the guru rather then a lionturtle as less of an asspull but its not a bad.

>>716032285 (OP)
This is a terrible example because Aang ultimately crippled the fire lord.

>>716032285 (OP)
this drives me fucking crazy in vidya and especially capeshit.
>I, Wolverine, have slaughtered countless anonymous mooks to reach you, Magneto, who is actually guilty and not just doing a job not really knowing any better; prepare to be let go so that you can do it again, I'll kill a few more people's dads on the way out
ultimately it's classism. the nameless guards don't have fame or fortune and therefore their deaths don't matter, only people with notoriety or wealth are real human beings.

>>716035321
Agreed outside of the final Agni Kai between Zuko and Azula. Absolute peak animation that was.

>>716041723

Its one of the reasons Venture Bros is great.

>>716041393
>air nomads were baking cakes which buddhist monks didn't do, therefore it's fine for them to also be super pro-gay even though that's the opposite of real buddhists
Sure, just keep shitting on real cultures by making your characters do things that the real people would never actually do just because it conforms with your modern agenda.
You're pretentious and ignorant as fuck.

>>716041581
> Maybe to some extent, but a lot of the fundamentals being cargo cult thinking or tied to unnecessary spiritual beliefs would track for a rare learned skill in an ancient society
TLA already went over this with Zuko relearning the fundamentals of his style from the original source.
It turns out that they ARE really important and effective for bending.

>>716041625
>Why is it wrong?
Because he gets pissy when he asks others for advice and they give him advice that he doesn't want to hear. He just wanted the other avatars to agree with him instead of helping him, and he never realises it was wrong to think like that.
How are you too retarded to understand that?

>>716041581
>Toph having her heightened senses for mineral composition due to being blind were how she discovered it, but you don't need to have a microscope on you constantly to know that things are made of cells or what kinds of cells would be most common in which places
It's not about needing a tool to see the cells or the earth particles, it's about having the power to control them.
Either way it's never elaborated how new metal bending is different from Toph's, which is a major flaw.

>>716041581
>tied to unnecessary spiritual beliefs
bending and spirituality are completely and inexorably linked.

>>716041836

Its not a real culture. Its based extremely loosely (read: basicly aestheticly) on a collection of real cultures. In a cartoon. For children.

If its pretentious to call you a manchild for demanding muh realism in kung-fu element wizards then call me the Earl of Pretencia you big baby.

>>716040526
if anything, bending should have gotten weaker in a modern world. that would have been the angle to take. since people lose their spirituality and connection to nature via a better understanding of the world thus thinking they dont need to believe in it and them destroying nature itself to make room for roads and cities, korra should have been about the idea of spirituality vs modernity and how to connect the two.

>>716041846
Effective? Absolutely, and that's why they're a source for learning
Important, though? For Zuko, sure, it was part of his character arc and got him in touch with his skill in a way that was separate from the evil fire nation cultural practices he was alienated from. And for early firebenders who knew nothing about how it worked and would otherwise just have to trial and error, yeah that would be an effective primitive learning tool
But people still kept learning firebending just fine without specifically studying their movements, that's why it was all new information to Zuko, it's a mistake to view them as the end all be all just because they're cool and spiritual
I would compare this to blacksmithing tools over time, or even learning actual skills from how animals in the wild do it

>>716042067
So were real life martial arts, and chemistry, and medicine, and many other things
It could easily be that all sorts of spirituality makes for contextually stronger bending, or would be useful in certain applications of it, but all of it clearly isn't and it's a mistake to confuse what works with what's true

>>716041581
nah everyone being able to earth bend is retarded. not even bumi, the most powerful earthbender at the time, could earth bend. he was stuck in that metal coffin for a long time and youre telling me he wasnt able to sniff out the impurities or whatever? no because tophs connection to the earth is unique to her and only her. she could teach people all they want but they should never have been able to earth bend. its a stupid idea and takes away the shows original idea about bending being deeply tied to ones spirituality and is actually just about learning the right kicking technique to do bending. its retarded.

>>716042201
I haven't seen it in a long time and don't really care to, but I don't remember many of the fights really reaching the flashy heights of the original series outside of the main villains and avatar state korra that usually do use spirituality, so that could genuinely be the case
Half the fights were shitty little elemental blasts that accompanied punches

>>716042204
>So were real life martial arts, and chemistry, and medicine, and many other things
this is so fucking retarded I'm not sure where to even start.
So, you just typed into your fucking computer, so that I could unfortunately read, that bending is tied to spiritual beliefs that are unnecessary, despite numerous examples of characters who lose their bending due to spiritual reasons, or even those who gain them through spiritual means in Korra, or even how entire cultures embracing spirituality change the very face OF the culture and how it interacts with bending, like how 100% of air nomads are air benders and earth benders are the most uncommon SPECIFICALLY because of spirituality. And your reasons for this is because in the real world, which means you've already lost the plot, the practices of spirituality are tied to martial arts and medicine and shit?
Genuinely curious how you thought that in your head and typed it out and didn't feel embarrassed

>>716041941

Yeah, thats character and pretty humanising. Forging your own path was pretty much the advice he accepted in the end. Again the only thing that was bad about the whole ending was the power asspull with the lionturtle.

>>716042371
How would Bumi know how to do that? How would he even know whether or not he could manipulate earth at that scale? Power is not the same thing as being able to do everything

>>716041723
I genuinely don't think there is a worse trope when it comes to capeshit then that. I've never seen it done in a non-retarded way even once

>>716042204
>And for early firebenders
you mean the ones who received the SPIRITUAL power from the Lion Turtle, a SPIRIT? Or do you mean the actual art of bending? Invented by Avatar Wan, the bridge between SPIRITS and humans who learned the art from observing a dragon in the SPIRIT WILDS?

>>716042407
>so that could genuinely be the case
when you have day workers being able to lightning bend and an entire police force of metal benders, that absolutely was not the case. not to mention the retarded
>muh speshul gene that allows me to blood bend 20 people in a room

>>716042201

Hmm. This would have made the bender/non-bender thing with the equalists better.

>>716042204
No, it really isn’t a mistake.
We see plenty of bullshido equivalents in the Earth kingdom that clearly don’t grasp the spirituality of what they’re doing, and we see plenty of macho idiots that brute force their way through bending.
They’re all sub par. At best you get someone like Zhao, who is functional but hit a wall because of his lack of understanding.
The whole point of Aang’s search for a mentor was to demonstrate you needed more to be a master than go through motions.

>>716042445
You could trip and fall right now and lose all of your third grade memories, but you still wouldn't connect the ability to write in cursive with any spiritual belief
Whether the soul exists or has any impact on what you do does not have to be connected with the ideas you have about those things or how you do them

>>716042457
>How would Bumi know how to do that?
same way toph did, by kicking about his metal coffin and he is literally the most powerful earth bender at the time. you think in his long years of living he never once came into contact with metal? again, youre as bad as the korra writers.
>actually its not about spirituality, its about learning to do this kick instead of that kick!
no its absolutely about spirituality and youre connection to the element that just cannot be taught in a 24 hour crash course at your local YMCA like you can a computer. not even zuko was able to fire bend lightning despite being taught by one of the most powerful if not the most powerful firebender at the time. at best he was able to redirect it. and yet in korra apparently average joe who goes home to watch fucking soccer on the tele is able to grasp it because he took an 7 hour training seminar at the local factory.

>>716042554
People shit on the lion turtles specifically because it removes spirituality from the setting and replaces it with "spirits", a semantic description of energy monsters that in this case can give you genetic superpowers you can use innately with no metaphysical preconceptions or special movements
This is the most self-defeating argument I've ever seen

>>716042634
>You could trip and fall right now and lose all of your third grade memories, but you still wouldn't connect the ability to write in cursive with any spiritual belief
yeah maybe, unless a giant spirit turtle specifically bequeathed me the ability to write in cursive. And maybe I was born in a culture that specifically meditates and vigorously studies to enter into the spirit world, which is a well documented and accepted part of the universe, and because they all do this I was born fresh out of the womb with the ability to write in cursive. And also if some people, most actually, in all other parts of the world aren't able to write in cursive at all no matter how hard they tried. If that happened, I'm pretty certain I'd say there is some kind of link between writing in cursive and spirits.

>>716042740
>This is the most self-defeating argument I've ever seen
right as opposed to
>actually all the spirituality that has a direct influence on the world? not necessary :)

>>716042706
>same way toph did
He's not in touch with his senses like that to be able to figure that out on his own, and might not be able to do that in the first place
Are you retarded

>>716042816
Yeah, so it's good I never said that

>autosage
gay jannies

>>716042876

Yup. Gay jannies. Was a good thread.

>>716042772
A spiritual being may have bequeathed you the ability to think and learn from birth, to an extent that presumably many can't, and you were born in a culture that has specifically abandoned most spiritual practices related to those beliefs despite it once being well documented and accepted
Some of those practices may have had important benefits, but some may have been superstition. Many will never know which is which and simply not engage with them at all because they are not entirely necessary to express those initial gifts effectively

>>716040501
You don't even really touch upon how OP Earth Bending is my dude. Hurling rocks is cool and all but the real power comes from manipulating the ground everybody walk on. Especially in a mountainous region just a handful of Earth Benders could bury entire armies in rockfalls and avalanches of dirt and then 2 dozen EB clean the area up again for travel. Then they have the incredible option to build fortresses and stone encampments within a few hours practically wherever they feel like building them. They could've easily fucked up the giant drill too by turning the foundation under it into sand.
Earth Kingdom could've wiped the floor with the Fire Nation if the King wasn't a cuck and the Dai Li a bunch of simps.

>>716039815
One of the dumbest parts of this shitty comic is how it attempts to retcon Sozin from a "benevolent" conqueror and Roku's best friend into a plain boogeyman. It's basically another huge fuck you to all the nuance and worldbuilding that TLA had desu.

>>716043264
>Hurling rocks is cool and all but the real power comes from manipulating the ground everybody walk on
the hurling rocks example was only supposed to show that the most basic of all earth bending techniques is instant lethal. Not even getting into any actual techniques, being able to pick up and launch a big ass rock is instantly more powerful that most other bending principles ever get, let alone right away.
But yeah, the absolute CRAZY shit a master earth bender can do. And seeing how movement is tied to bending, fighting a master earth bender, especially one with seismic sense is impossible. Remember what Toph did to The Boulder?
>I'm gonna shift my weight in this stance to throw ice spears at you- oh now I'm doing the splits and my water isn't doing what I want.
>Is that a 3 ton boulder headed at my head?
*splat*

>>716043525
You just have to fight earthbenders on terrain made of metal, water/ice or, better yet, wood. They can't bend those at all.

>>716043695
>You just have to fight earthbenders on terrain made of metal, water/ice or, better yet, wood
>metal
got bad news for ya anon.
But yeah, if you could somehow completely surround them by something not made of minerals, and they don't have anything made of minerals on or around them, you'd have a good shot