so remind me again are we supposed to like this game or hate it or is it woke or what? i forgot the narrative

just play team fortress 2
deadlock has worse pvp and you have to shoot at stupid minions like a retard to farm gold

>>716042556
tf2 is nearly 20 years old and its a different style of game. sounds like you just dont like the moba genre and can't imagine anyone doing so, but feel the need to shit on it because its taking attention away from your dead game.

>>716042507
idc if gaben himself spent 6 gorillion hours personally developing it
(1) its a moba
(2) all the characters are ugly
DOA

>>716042556
Lmao no I don't actually want to play neither of those

>>716042507
Just be yourself

>>716042507
why don't you look at it and make up your own mind instead of being a retard

>>716042556
MOVE.
ON.

>>716042398 (OP)
I wonder how they'll market it. I'd reckon they'll do a 'Meet the Team' equivalent to introduce the heroes or something.

>>716042398 (OP)
Who the fuck comes up with this shit?
>Dota has fans, overcuck has fans, that means if we create Over Defense of the Watch we will get both plaerbases!
Doesnt help that the aesthetic and char designs are dogshit.

Deadlock was interesting when I played it, but it's gonna suck if they kill Dota even deader than it is now to promote it.

>>716042398 (OP)
This game is pretty fun unless you're playing with Russians, I wish they had their own fucking servers man. Can't imagine how awful it is on Dota 2 and CS

>>716043180
but what if my opinion doesn't match the correct one
i need /v/'s approval

>>716042398 (OP)
masonic

>>716043238
>Who the fuck comes up with this shit?
Icefrog himself.

>>716043209
Depends on how many heroes they end up with
There's already like twice as many characters as there was in TF2, and it took them like a decade to do the meet the team series
I reckon whatever marketing it gets will be closer to Dota's than TF2's

>>716042657
The only good moba is Bombergirl unironically.
>fast paced
>skill based
>no bloat
Meanwhile the so called "real" moba games are bloated to hell with 1000s heroes/items/mechanics which all could be simplified to a couple dozen easily, and game is balanced around 5 hour long respawn times and huge periods of time where you shot literal NPC to farm gold and beat your opponents by having more feed than them.

You could remove garbage moba mechanics from deadlock, shrink map, increase player count, get rid of levels/items and the game would become 50000 times more fun instantly. Hell, a few characters like Lash can be very fun to play and would fit right into a regular hero shooter game.

assfaggots is an objectively Shit genre. I don't get why you niggers stand by this hill so badly. Shame garbage moba genre got popular instead of something decent like footman. At least in footman you have to go mid and fight other players directly for dominance. Not AFK farm npcs.

>>716043238
>Who the fuck comes up with this shit?
30-40 somethings with business degrees fresh out of college and into an office chair, who haven't touched a game in 20 years and think they still have a finger to the pulse of the industry
Over educated ideas guys, genuinely
I've had conversations with classmates who unironically think they are geiuses for suggesting "what if they combined the gameplay of x and y???"
and they'll be the most excited mother fuckers you have ever seen about it,

>>716043293
OK maybe try being yourself and tell /v/ to be you too

>>716043238
Icefrog

>>716043390
zoom zoom
>how dare a game demand temperance and delay gratification at any moment?
how does it feel to get filtered by an already dumbed down genre?

>>716043238
The concept existed before with monday night combat. That game ended after being incredibly mishandled and this fills a 10 year void for me.

>>716042398 (OP)
Do they still have the ugly long forehead samurai woman?
Do they still have garbage balance where a character require skills just to do something, and another character can just press ult button and win?

>>716042507
It's basically just Smite but is coming out a decade too late.

>>716043761
No character gets an auto-win from ulting
If you're too retarded to save your abilities or buy an item to interrupt them or protect yourself then thats on you.

>>716043873
>Smite
Smite had zero three dimensional movement, the camera was a gimmick.

>>716043873
Smite doesn't have any elevation, the games are incomparable

>>716043873
smite is unreal engine slop.

>>716043678
Nice reading comprehension.
Also pretty sure moba is exclusively played by drooling retards. You are at the bottom of competitive slop and you know it. Even a moron like Tyler1 can play moba games with enough time.

>>716043990
>>716043983
Putting a jump button in a game doesn't make it fundamentally different.

>>716044025
This is the most retarded post I've seen in quite a while. And this place gets a lot of them.

>>716043761
>and another character can just press ult button and win
Do I really need to link the NaVi vs IG play

>>716043905
>No character gets an auto-win from ulting
Last I played, there's 1 character that can become invisible and run behind your back then press ult to kill all the low hp characters before they can even react.

>>716044116
>Look at this top 0.1% players playing
Yeah, and have fun losing 99.9% of the players in the process.

If only you idiots would stop being so defensive and address the problems with the game.

>>716044202
>seething about Haze
Jesus Christ, they fucking gutted her and you still bitch?

>>716042657
>sounds like you just dont like the moba genre
Yes?

>>716044232
>they fucking gutted her
Read again, retard.
I asked if there's still such thing in the game, since the last time I played is forever ago.
If she's nerfed into oblivion, then let's talk about the other issue - long forehead ugly samurai woman.

>>716044202
>Transparent, not invisible.
>Has to physically run there
>short windup time with distinct alerting sound allows you to roll out the area whist her speed is slowed
Any character is able to get close and use skills. You buy specific items and they can go invisible too.
You're just making an admission that you don't know how to deal with the most braindead character in the game.

>>716044350
game is full of placeholders, she's getting replaced eventually.

>>716042507
There is no other game like deadlock available that isn't dead. Name a single third person shooter moba. Gigantic? Dead. SuperMNC? Dead.

>>716042657
>muh 20 years old
and yet it is better in every way than deadlock will ever be

>>716042398 (OP)
meh glad I stopped playing, not even that good at aiming or mobas. Facing off against a good player in lane can be genuinely oppressive and if they have a hint of coordination with their team then good luck, really don’t want to win games if it means the next player I go against might be the same or even better then the last player. it just gets tiring trying to keep up

>>716043761
>and another character can just press ult button and win
>Doom, Echo Slam, Black Hole, Duel, Guardian Angel, Ravage, Supernova, Omnislash, Requiem of Souls, Eclipse, Stone Gaze, Death Ward, Ice Blast, Reverse Polarity, Sanity's Eclipse, Freezing Field, Global Silence, Thundergod's Wrath, Cataclysm, Winter's Curse, motherfucking CHRONOSPHERE

>>716044484
Why do you think those games died, anon? And that's before you get into the question of whether Valve are competing with themselves by making this game.

>>716044391
I don't care if she's getting replaced eventually.
I'm asking about now.
You retards need to learn to fucking read.
It's just 2 simple questions.

Is the ugly shit still in game NOW? Now?
Is the imba character still imba NOW? Now?

>>716044539
It says a lot about Dota when Chronosphere exists yet FV is still kinda shit

>>716044571
Because most people don't like the genre on a fundamental level. Despite that, I still like it.

>>716044498
i had fun with it but unfortunately i'm not an autismo who plays one game for my entire life
other games are allowed to exist

>>716044571
same reason many f2p games die
>pay per character
>cash shop focus over improving the game
>absolutely no attempts to increase the playerbase
>pivoting into e-sports as soon as possible


>>716044585
>caring about graphics in a game where most things are placeholders
we keep telling you, she's not imbalanced, you're shit at the game.

>>716042507
>/v/ is one person

>>716044585
if you bitched about Haze at any point of the game you're a shitter and your opinion is worthless

>>716042507
Can't be dealing with any more mobaslop. Fuck that.

>>716044753
>>716044838
>NoOoOooO It's bAlAnCeEE!!!!
Ok, enjoy your dead game.
You guys can continue sucking each others dick in your hug box.

>>716044919
It's an Icefrog game you lead paint sniffing baboon.

>>716044919
You're clearly inept if we've told you how she works and how to deal with the and instead keep crying about a game you've apparently not played in months.
You're obviously not just bad but incapable of thinking if presented with exactly what to do and still moan.

>>716042507

Unironically, I have no idea either. I was expected to be fed an opinion.

>>716044963
>>716045003
Dude, I don't care.
Your game will be dead on arrival because you faggots won't stop praising how good the shit taste.

>>716045158
It's a niche game for being incredibly difficult, just like how Dota was due to a refusal to dumb down and simplify. If you incessantly desire to play the most popular low brow shit, go boot up Roblox.

>>716045158
And yet you keep posting. You could leave the thread but you still want to bitch and moan about a character that runs at you and shoots.
Most people can ignore a thread if they don't like the game. You got filtered so hard that it now sits rent free in your head. Fun to know I could set you off with this simple image now.

Game is dead already plus it's not as noob friendly as CS2 and TF2. It's gonna be a massive flop.

>>716045450
>applies for trademark
>"It's dead already"

>>716042507
I have not idea. Almost daily threads shitting on it when the game hasn't even been released lmao. Only limited access playtesting.

>>716045279
3D movement shooter Dota 3 without animeslop is never going to be le biggest thing ever, it's just icefrog trying to refine his competitive ball busting simulation. A game not watering its identity down is always a positive.

>>716042398 (OP)
Another flop after Shartifact and Undershartlords incoming.

>>716042398 (OP)
>>716042507
you could market this game to the entire planet and it would still flop

>>716044690
yeah u got filtered cos u suck dick

>>716045530
Just because a company files for a trademark doesn't mean that the game isn't going to instantly die on release. See Concord.

>you should turn your unique game into generic slop to appeal to "the wider audience" because uhhh sales! and flop and graphs
When did /v/ become majority SEAnig gachafags?

Valve shot their shot last year and the hype is gone. A game that already has their twitch/mainstream hype behind it, usually at release, rarely manages to peak the same or even more again. It probably will have a small spike when they release 1.0 or whatever the upcoming stable version might be called, but they'll never reach more than a few thousand players again.

Flopping tranny deadcock.

>>716046114
>Valve shot their shot last year
But they didn't do anything, it got leaked, it isn't even officially announced yet.

>>716046232
damn I guess an epic hackerman sent out those 400k invites

>>716045956
blame hoyochinks for somehow making gacha even more casualized for normalfags.

>>716043181
you lost, bottranny

>>716046232
>But they didn't do anything, it got leaked
They literally relaxed the fuck out of the invite requirements, with the aim of letting in anyone who was interested.

>>716046232
So? Changes absolutely nothing. Your average casual player has seen and tested the game and won't come back. These people don't care about patches or seasons, but they still are the majority of customers you want to attract.

>>716042398 (OP)
>>716042507
>Nigger women cowboys, assassin, scientists, etc.
>Morbidly obese white women with side shaved hair as tanks, fighters, etc.
It's the usual wokeslop.

I like how this fucking game is just the devs very, very, very slowly realizing that every mechanic dota has exists for a reason, despite supposedly being made by the same company.

took them like 5 months to notice that some stat increases should have diminishing returns, that they don't know how to balance 4 lanes, and they somehow still haven't noticed that respawn time being died to the game timer is retarded.
half the items they add are just dota ports too.

>itt desperate tortanicfaggotry
Incredible that /v/ convinced itself that beta testing just does not exist and that a leaked game is actually the complete official release.
fuckin retards, all of ya

>>716046523
>despite supposedly being made by the same company
The project supposedly has Icefrog, who created/balanced Dota Allstars/2 himself, on board. Fuck knows how they can just throw all his experience and knowledge over board.

>>716042507
>the passive aggressive shitbrained catposter likes deadlock
Guess the narrative is we hate it then.

>>716046114
Pretty good for an unannounced game. The interest from a lot of those was in a new game and they tried it when everything was still rough, choosing to leave it until the game has more things refined and set in stone. After all is has had map structure and mechanics reworks, xp and denying reworks, hero reworks, sound and voice replacements, item reworks. I don't even think wall jumping was in when the majority of those players last tried it.
Everything you should expect from an early alpha still very much in production.

>>716046517
You forgot goth vampire girl

>>716042398 (OP)
posting in the first deadlock marketing thread

>>716046652
2025 and hundreds of failed video games including Valve titles behind us, yet people still use the same old cope arguments.

>>716046652
I have to assume he left ages ago but they refuse to announce it because it would decrease the hype for the game. Literally makes no fucking sense otherwise.

It's fucking insane that there is no buyback mechanic for example, if either team fails to end the game within 30 minutes 12 players are just sitting on endless money forever with no way to burn or spend it

>>716046565
dude Yamato has had a literal penis for a head for over 12 months

>>716046565
The problem with the "IT'S JUST BETA" excuse is that the reason why it has lost like 95% of its playerbase, is that the game just has fundamental flaws that very likely aren't going to change for a 1.0 release.

At the end of the day it's a game that fails to be a good FPS game, and it's a game that fails to be a good MOBA, because it attempts to be both at once. It also requires insane in-game knowledge AND has an insane min/max-like gameplay loop, which causes mental fatigue even for experienced players and straight up just eliminates 99% of new players from even being able to enjoy anything in the game, because there's constantly 100 things you have to do and keep in mind.

t. 300 hours in the game before they opened up the invites

I hate hero shooters. I much prefer how TF2 does it where you play as a class, not a character.

>>716046981
>I much prefer how TF2 does it where you play as a class, not a character.
Is this bait? Because the classes in TF2 are literally characters.

>>716047036
They've been characterised, but their names are clearly not names and are more akin to classes.

>>716046967
>It also requires insane in-game knowledge AND has an insane min/max-like gameplay loop, which causes mental fatigue even for experienced players and straight up just eliminates 99% of new players from even being able to enjoy anything in the game, because there's constantly 100 things you have to do and keep in mind.
That's the point it seems. It's the ultimate culmination of icefrog's esports mindrape. I haven't played much Deadlock but it's the most mentally exhausting game I've ever played.

>>716042398 (OP)
Do Valve have the potential to create another DOTA is the real question. Or in other words this evolution of the genre will either be hot shit or it fails.

>>716042398 (OP)
Deadlock on arrival

>>716047036
tf2 doesnt have gay abilities, that makes it not a hero shooter

>>716047091
They can barely maintain the Dota they have
>extended Crownfall twice, nothing added since except shitty chests

>>716047091
>Do Valve have the potential to create another DOTA is the real question
I disagree. The real question is WHY create another DotA when Valve already owns DotA and makes a ton of money from it. They're literally competing with themselves.

>>716047084
>I haven't played much Deadlock but it's the most mentally exhausting game I've ever played.
Yeah, some of my favorite games include Q3A(CPMA), UT99, Tribes, CS, GunZ, DotA, HoN, LoL, DotA2, etc. and I played them all at high levels, so Deadlock should be "perfect" for me, but I still feel like Deadlock is just a big mental overload with not big enough mental rewards.

>>716043731
Smite would've been a better comparison. Smite is basically deadlock word for word.

>>716042398 (OP)
I got the code and I did not care for it. Fuck moba games unironically

>>716046967
>"IT'S JUST BETA"
Yes faggot, it is just a beta. A broken as hell, poorly-designed beta.
If you retards weren't so mentally broken, you would apply this line to literally any other game.

>>716047250
Did you even read my post? Because you didn't address anything in it.

>>716047174
Because some people at Valve felt like making it, was it icefrog, was it Hopoo, or some other people, who knows. They don't need to make games to survive, only if they feel like it.

>>716047223
Nobody that says this has ever played Smite

>>716042507
it was shilled by influencers so it is bad and should be boycotted

As a top 3k worldwide Dota player, I liked deadlock, but the idea of starting from scratch and being shit at the game is what killed it for me. I just didn't want to be shit and I knew how much I would have to learn to be good at it.

>MOBA shit
>willingly locking yourself in a room with 5 russians for an hour per match

I'd rather not.

>>716046680
>Anon literally doesn't say if he likes it or not
>But you perceive his joke as an attack therefor he must hold the opposite of your opinion
Lol, you out yourself more than others when you rationalize this way, anon

>>716047405
ok how about gigantic or battleborn then

>>716046680
Catposter taking permanent residency in your head

>>716047434
but the actual ecelebs I encountered (uncle dane and emplemon) shat on it for not being an update for groom fortress 2

>>716047464
>>MOBA shit
wow sound ass, i guess i should pla-
>>willingly locking yourself in a room with 5 russians for an hour per match
alright alright, no need to tell me twice, i'm playing!

>>716047223
Smite is a borderline 2d game. Theres no concept of "above"

>>716042507
woke character design so we hate it

>>716042398 (OP)
remember when marvel rivals came out and everyone praised it for its beautiful character designs
how do you think that'll go for deadlock

>>716047552
yeah pretty much sums it up

game sucks because the community
they should have only invited tf2 players instead of lol and dota players

>>716047528
Serbian post

>>716043259
It already "killed" Dota years ago when Icefrog left Dota, probably forever, to make it. People correctly speculated that he was no longer working on the game years ago and now we know why.

HD comparison between the current and the new trademark.
They're getting rid of the green main menu soon.

>>716047552
>this game which plays exactly like Smite and has gameplay mechanics exactly like Smite ISN'T like smite because.... uh.... you can jump
okay mr valve dev your game is very original and epic

do NOT disturb

Revert Dota 2 back to v1.0.

>>716047647
Troon Fortress 2 troglodytes would see an actually challenging game and ask where's the heckin wacky conga and furry ERP chat

>>716047736
smite isn't a shooter. it plays like an isometric game but from behind the shoulder

>>716047736
>plays exactly like Smite
>and has gameplay mechanics exactly like Smite
why the fuck would you come to the Tocharian stone chiseling forum to talk about two games when you've played neither?

>>716042556
>troon fortress
Not even the best Valve shooter

I think it just requires too much from individuals so the casuals will burn out pretty quick. Plus the Dota-style balance of long CC, hard counters etc
>someone bought an item so my skills are worse
or
>someone bought an item so I can't play the game

>>716047736
Yes. They are both 3rd person mobas, and the similarities end.
I don't know why people insist on talking about games they have no idea about, more so when both are fucking free.

>>716047780
mentally ill faggot kill yourself

>>716047780
deadlock is fucking retardedly easy compared to tf2
idiot nigger

>>716047868
What is the best valve shooter?

>>716047780
completing a tier 6 jump map in tf2 is harder than anything you've ever played

>>716047780
You really riled up the groomer squad kek

I love her

>>716042507
I tried playing it but I didn't understand everything that was going on and my teammates were bullying me for killing enemies because that somehow cost them points or some shit.
If a game's rules are more complex than Capture the Flag it loses my interest.

Sometimes I see bait so abhorrent I just gotta throw a pity >>716047926

>>716047918
>Yes... They are both... mobas
you lost me there. so deadlock is shit and DOA?
idk why valve thought an ASSFAGGOTS in 2025 was a good idea. I guess the same reason they thought a card game and an autobattler were good ideas - they are retarded out of touch boomers

>>716042507
>special ed student

>>716042398 (OP)
I tried it

1- Everyone feels like a bullet sponge and could dash around really fast. That combo makes it annoying to kill anyone. I prefer CS style fps.
2. Then theres 100 new MOBA items, synergies and mechanics that made me realize I DONT want to learn another moba.
3. The character designs are already looking like League of Legends wokeslop and it hasn’t even been released yet.

>>716047992
deadlock is literally 100% populated by troons and also snow niggers
nobody else touches it because theyll get gay aids contracted from playing it

>>716047992
>>716047780
you are a mentally ill faggot
kill yourself

>>716048024
Desu the best games are ones where the complexity is emergent and not designed, like chess.

>>716043390
stupid waifufag

>>716048087
bullet sponges arent a bad thing, look at tf2
deadlock is just made by retards who want to fuck animals and groom kids

>>716047931

>>716042507
If you're brown it's your duty to defend all F2P slop, double that if it comes from Valve, Nintendo, or it's gachaslop.

>>716048054
Great, you now know the game isn't for you and there's no reason for you to be in the threads.
Thanks for stopping by, hope you enjoy whatever other game is upcoming.

>>716045158
So this post you kinda go mask off anon. I was reading your conversation with these two and the way you were talking to them felt weird. You were really unnecessarily hostile to people pointing out the things you have issues with are not issues really while also insisting you don't care about the game. In this post you prove this isn't true. It's bizarre how this game has formed a group of people like you who so actively hate it when it's not even done. It would be one thing if you truly didn't it like it, put it down, and never thought about it again. But you can't do that, and you're not alone. There are a weird number of anons on here like you who tried the game, and somehow got so mad you post nonstop about how it's doomed to fail. Might wanna take a step back and ask why the fuck you care so much.

>>716042398 (OP)
The game is not for me but I would have thought that it would have taken off by now. It should appeal to Dota 2 CS TF2 crowd. Even if it is not on open beta yet, I hear nothing about this game.

>>716048242
a post like this makes me believe you really are a developer on deadlock
why didn't you just make L4D3?

>>716047702
I'm enjoying the current patch more than any other in years, strengthnigger stacking is finally out of meta and I can play some classic agi without throwing.

>>716042507
I personally hate it because it's boring as both a shooter and a moba.

>>716048183
>troon-strike

>>716048112
Reminds me of the Terry Davis quote "an idiot admires complexity"

Chess is really so simple. Your moveset is mostly consistent across the game. Everything you do has an immediately visible cause and effect on the outcome. Its complexity is the sum of its parts.

ASSFAGGOTS are more like if moving your pieces caused a whole bunch of numbers on a board to change, and if the numbers look a certain way then you can only do half a chess move.

>>716043678
>demand temperance
hahahahaha

>>716048312
>It should appeal to Dota 2 CS TF2 crowd
It should, but it doesn't, because it's not a good FPS game and it's not a good MOBA either. It is trying to be both at the same time, and failing at both. FPS players don't want bullet sponges and want to be rewarded for having good aim, not just have a "who has the best items?" situation. On the opposite end, MOBA players don't want to have to rely on FPS aiming and things that are GunZ-like in nature when it comes to movement.

So it fails to capture both playerbases.

>>716048112
If you ever played Dota you'd know the game is based on the interplay between items and abilities emerging from player intent above all.

>>716042398 (OP)
>concord marketing coming

>>716048636
Imagine thinking you can just slap the word "emerging" in a random sentence and it'll somehow work as a counterpoint.

>>716048628
It appeals to the narrow intersection of players that like both movement shooters and Dota and that's what they wanted, a very high skill ceiling competitive game.

>>716048013
>>716047746
tick tock, ivyfags

>>716048437
Yeah I'm not saying Dota is bad right now. More that any effect Deadlock had on Dota happened when Icefrog left Dota. At this point its in completely different hands at Valve that aren't working on Deadlock so the two won't really effect each other in anyway.

>>716048696
Imagine being so asshurt about being called out for never playing a game that this is the best cope you have

>>716048845
I have over a thousand hours in Dota 2 but haven't played it in a decade because they kept adding new layers of shit into the game and it just got tiresome to learn and keep track of.

>>716048842
I'd believe that icefrog is working on both games at the same time, dota patches aren't exactly frequent and deadlock needs a lot of work done in the art and programming departments that he doesn't need to be around 24/7 to help with.

>>716048112
Except that is how Dota was made. Denying was originally just an engine quirk from WC3. There are tons of mechanics that started that way, emergent mechanics that came about from how WC3 worked and then when Dota 2 was made those quirks were made into actual features of the game intentionally designed that way, not unlike combos from fighting games. Denying is probably the best example but there are other big ones like camp stacking and orb walking.

>>716048480
Never understood why /pol/fags, kiwinigs and nocoder nig/g/ers venerate an unmedicated schizo hobo that much. He made an interesting piece of outsider art, but other than that he wasted his life by not taking his meds.
Is saying the nigger word all it takes?

>>716048739
>a very high skill ceiling competitive game
But then they implement shit like characters having 5 second hard CC that has no counter except buying a super expensive item, 85m hooks on a 5 second CD, RNG elements, split pushing meta, etc. etc. thus further eliminating people who just want skill to be rewarded(like FPS games).

>>716048981
That's how DotA originally was, but over time the devs kept meddling and meddling, needing to look busy in order to keep their jobs.

>>716048990
Bro Terry did more than make outsider art. He was so influential in computer science I had multiple professors in college who knew he was from his contributions to C, some of which had no clue he lost his mind and made Temple OS.

>>716048990
kiwitroons will watch a retard eating his own shit and think its the best thing ever
but terry was a genius
you wouldnt get it because ur black

>>716049029
Those are mechanics that require teamwork and map awareness skills instead of mechanical skill.

>>716049038
I disagree. Most of the most unintuitive mechanics in Dota are the ones I just described. Denying, stacking and orb walking are all things you need to teach newcomers. They are all key mechanics to the game, maybe orb walking a little less so but stacking and denying are essential mechanics that make no sense to most people. If you wanna keep disagreeing how about you try providing some examples of complexity that is not emergent and was only added for what you said. I gave you three examples lets see if you can manage that many.

>>716043238
>what is smite

>>716049029
>people who just want skill to be rewarded(like FPS games).
>only the microgame mechanical skills of aiming should be rewarded
>not the macrogame skills of strategy, itemization, picking fights, prioritizing targets, counter-countering with abilities and items, or preserving limited use items to use at the right moment

>>716049119
Yeah, my point is just that the playerbase that will fully enjoy a game like Deadlock is like a niche within a niche within a niche. I genuinely don't see how it is ever going to survive unless they straight up dumb it down a lot.

>>716048024
I had basically the same experience. 2nd match ever and a dude on my own team is losing his mind claiming I'm throwing the game becasue I was in his lane and he starts rallying everyone on both teams to report me in game as well as directly on my profile. I'm just like dude this is my second game and we're in a closed alpha test. Ended up winning the match anyway with me scoring the highest on objectives and still these dudes were out for my blood. And this was not long afer the alpha started and already there were fuckers going full DOTA levels of sweat and salt. I can't even imagine what it's gonna be like on release when everyone else gets access to it only to run headfirst into these fuckers after they've had months and months to develop a rigid meta that they expect everyone else who hasn't played an unreleased game to adhere to. I'm not gonna be all hyperbolic and say it's gonna be DOA, but only hardcore fans of DOTA and League are gonna pick this up.

>>716049213
Read my previous post here >>716048628 where I address that it doesn't fit into what neither FPS gamers nor MOBA gamers want.

>>716049250
They already sort of streamlined the itemization already since the first alphas, or at least in the super secret branch, I don't know if it's implemented on the other testing branch yet.
Not to mention that they only have linear upgradable items, not branching crafting recipes and disassembling like Dota.

>>716046114
Anybody who doesn't think this is 100% right is delusional. Everybody who was interested has been able to play it by now and the current state of the game does not bode well for full release, the hype just isn't there. Deadlock has the all the hallmarks of another niche product that will sooner rather than later fade away into complete irrelevancy. I say this all as somebody who enjoyed the game for a time but don't see any lasting appeal in it myself.

>>716049163
>try providing some examples of complexity that is not emergent
Are you asking me for a list of gameplay elements which weren't present in Warcraft 3 DotA? I haven't played in a decade so I googled what sort of stuff is in the game now and this just sounds so asinine.

>Watchers
>Bounty runes
>Lotus shit
>Wisdom rune
>Neutral creeps now drop items???
>Tormentors

And all of this extra shit now comes with its own timers you have to memorise and keep track of. And when the fuck did heroes get their own skill trees? This is all just so tiresome but you're only going to move the goalposts.

>>716049213
recoil patterns are the most retarded mechanic ever
headshots are pretty awful too

>>716049302
If it was an in person activity you wouldn't be able to get away with acting that way. Imagine playing soccer for the first time and you keep kicking it into your own goal and when your team asks you to stop you just ignore them and keep playing. That's essentially what it sounds like you did. People like you don't realize how subhuman it is because being online lets you get away with pretending other people aren't real. If it's one of your first games and you choose to ignore what people are asking you to do you are genuinely retarded. You know you don't know how to play yet but people like you still somehow manage to have an ego about a game they know they've never played. Swallow your pride and listen to more experienced players when you're new or expect people to get mad at you for being Mr. Selfish-Loinewolf-No-one-tell-me-what-to-do! If you're going to ruin others time they are going to get upset, that's not confusing.

>>716049250
30% of dota and league players only queue for turbo/ARAM, deadlock is all but guaranteed to get a casual gamemode on release.

>>716046276
An automated system yeah. Initially you had to actually write out why someone should be in on the forums. It wasn't as simple as the simple invite system that people abused. Its the same reason why like 6 months later they started up that extra-invite only alpha.

>>716049486
Literally none of those things are complicated besides neutral items but more importantly the moment I read
>I haven't played in a decade
I stopped caring. You are trying to debate me on a game you haven't played in ten years and the premise of your argument is exclusively about features that were introduced after you stopped playing. How do you not feel fucking retarded as fuck for trying to argue about a game you admit you haven't played? How do you not feel so stupid for trying to use features in your argument when you admit you've never even played the game when they were in the game? Your ability to confidentially declare yourself correct about something you admit you have no experience with because you did one 3 min google search is genuinely a little scary.

>>716049250
>the playerbase that will fully enjoy a game like Deadlock is like a niche within a niche within a niche.
Correct. That's not an issue. Games diluting their identity into Fortnite shit to chase players is an issue.
Valve could go a dozen different ways with the game as it is now, I'm not playing it anymore but I'm interested in seeing how it'll go.

>>716049732
The things I named are layers of complexity which are not emergent. I don't think you're capable of debate since you can't keep on topic.

i'll help enlighten people who think this trash game will be anything worth playing

dota2 is a buggy mess where you buy cosmetics and they break and valve never bothers to fix them. valve sells you "e-sports supporter packs" that have emoji/stickers/spray and they break the support pack and don't even bother fixing it before they try and sell you exact same pack next year.

thiis year for an entire year all of the cosmetics for death prophets ultimate were broken and valve didn't even care to fix them. in their international tournament LAST year it was broken, but the devs didn't even notice and only recently fixed it. it broke in 2024/march and was fixed in 2025/june. that's the state of valve developers in 2025

they absolutely are not anybody you want to invest time and energy into. they're hacks who just want to reach into your pocket and milk/drip you stealing your time. deadflop is never going to be shit because valve are complete trash developers who are worse than gacha scammers at this point. deadlock will have some sorta lootbox that lets pajeets farm pennies boosting the numbers and encourages bot farmers like tf2, but it's definitely not a game a human wants to play

>>716049571
you completely missed the point

>>716049887
>boughting cosmetics
That's on you desu ne.
I care for the gameplay ad they deliver the goods, but always delayed. They need to hire a ton more people but refuse to do so.

>>716049887
>telling people not to waste time or energy on a game
>gatcha pic

>MOBAslop
No Thanks/Not Interested
Wake me up when they add an Arena or an ARAM gamemode

>>716049817
You actually can't comment on whether or not they are complex because you fully admit you've never played the game when those features were in it. How can you say how complex they are? What as you basing that opinion on? Your nonexistant gametime with those features? Again, how do you not feel beyond retarded for trying to argue like this? I'm not kidding anon, this is concerning. I cannot stress this enough: YOU ADMITTED YOU DON"T KNOW HOW COMPLEX THEY ARE. Did caps help you get it? Because at this point I'm not sure how else to communicate to you that I view you as possibly having a learning disability if you still can't comprehend why your logic is so fucked. "I did a three min google search and named a bunch of features in a game. I've never played the game with those features in it but based on my 3 min google search and no personal experience they make the game more complex indisputably." That's you. How do you read that and think it's ok?

>>716049996
Not reading your seethe.

>>716049571
If it was really early in the playtest then I can sympathise with the other guy. There was some players that demanded it be played a specific way but it was a valid tactic for one player to act on their own, only pushing a lane a the edge until they got into the enemy base.
They altered how xp is awarded too because people kept arguing about stealing lane farm.

>>716049887
>dota2 is a buggy mess
Is it, I found that any issues from major patches are quick to be fixed
>lists issues from paid cosmetics
oh that's why I never saw the problems, I care more about the game then buying useless shit

>>716050042
I'm not surprised. I kinda doubt your reading ability in general.

>>716049996
Talking about games you never played is the only on-topic discussion on forward slash vee forward slash

>>716049625
>Its the same reason why like 6 months later they started up that extra-invite only alpha.
no, they did that because they are a retarded company that never has to learn from their mistakes because they get unlimited money for free

they did the exact same invite only beta shit for artifact 2.0 and then they shut the game down before ever making it public while citing fucking lack of players

>>716050152
Not that schizo but I am still upset about that. They got that retard boomer from MTG and his retarded jewish pack bullshit then their game still sold millions of copies anyway, then killed it from their own disinterest.

>>716049976
>bro, developers who don't even care to fix cosmetics people buy to support the game and give them a pay check definitely balance the game skillfully
you're mentally retarded, son. i'm sorry but it's terminal.

do you seriously fucking think developers who can't even spend time to fix shit for paying customers can "BALANCE" the game in a fun way? do you think pajeet scammers can "BALANCE" something, son?

>bro, the developers give the paying customers the middle finger but definitely give me the turdworld brownoid with no money the royal treatment!!

>>716050056
you're living 2015. it's 2025 now, buddy.
>a decade ago they did it good so it's great now.
no. those developers are all gone and the balance is trash and the game is riddled with bugs.

>>716050056
>If it was really early in the playtest then I can sympathise with the other guy.
I cannot. If he went to someone else's lane and was told to leave because it's not how you play the game and he didn't listen he can fuck off and not play the game again and everyone will be happier for it. As I explained in my post, it's actually insane how people act like ignoring people teaching you how to play a game you are new to is normal. This is not exclusive to Deadlock, it's a problem in online games in general. It is not accepted when it comes to any in-person game or sport I have ever played, especially team sports. You cannot ruin other people's time then ignore when they try to correct you then act like a victim. The rec basketball and soccer I played you'd be kicked out so fast it's not even funny. Losers with big egos can't be checked online though so they act like this retard and tell themselves others are somehow crazy for being upset that someone is ruining their fun and not even trying to stop.


>>716049945
No, I didn't care about the point you were making. There's a difference.

>>716050152
artifact had less players two months after it's proper launch with advertising than deadlock does a year into playtesting
deadlock has been worked on for 7 years without the devs rushing to monetize any of it
comparing the two is dishonest

>>716049465
I pray to God that the subhumans who screeched "IT'S AN ALPHA" and "IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY RELEASED YET" suffer an agonizing death the next time they jump out of bed.
Can't believe the level of retardation and delusion these "people" have. As if players would suddenly give a fuck that the game is "completed".

I also pray for eternal pain and suffering onto UncleTranny for driving bad rep against this slop and for being an overall bad influence on the TF2 community.

I hope visa and master card ban it.

>>716042657
>sounds like you just dont like the moba genre
No way

>>716048981
did the devs ever think that maybe denying and stacking aren't fun and keeping them in just because the dozen autists you have would be mad about it was a bad idea

>>716050376
u can call me dishonest when valve cares enough about the game to remodel the hero that is literally a living penis (never)

>>716050350
I made a simple example of how people were making calls about the game and demanding players do specific thing before most knew how it actually worked.
I don't know at what point in the games life he played or how late into the game they were because both makes a difference.
You keep bringing up actual sports but those are defined games with unchanging rules. Players don't stop after 10 minutes to buy some speed items and then leave their positions. Joining other lanes is common and as i said, the change to how xp was awarded is a result of players complaining about things they didn't fully understand.

>>716050472
>As if players would suddenly give a fuck that the game is "completed".
To be fair it's wishlisted heavily
>I also pray for eternal pain and suffering onto UncleTranny
True

>>716050472
>As if players would suddenly give a fuck that the game is "completed".
I would have agreed with this if I didn't experience the Dota 2 beta. It was even more open than Deadlock was and for much longer. I had the same attitude. Yet when they officially "released" it and changed like nothing besides adding a character, there was a huge influx of new players. It was a lot of people who had this attitude of like "Maybe I'll try Dota at some point" and I think that's why they never played the test. Like I remember a ton of LoL players in my games that week it launched. People who probably thought they wouldn't ever want to leave LoL for a similar game but decided to try it anyway once the barrier of entry was lower. Gaming has changed a lot since then so maybe the same thing won't happen but it's hard for me to forget how surprised I was once at almost the same scenario.

>>716050586
>there's existing concept art, 10 leaked hero remodels, and they just filed a trademark for a new logo but they aren't going to remodel the universally agreed upon worst design in the game
(You)

>>716050563
Denying is fun. Whenever I play LoL, it always feels like something is missing during laning phase. Not having denying makes it very one-dimensional.

>>716050563
Both features serve a gameplay purpose and if you don't understand that purpose having this discussion with you is meaningless. Stacking/pulling especially makes the game way more interesting even I actually personally hate having to do it.

>>716050563
>maybe denying and stacking aren't fun and keeping them in just because the dozen autists you have would be mad about it
Denying, pulling, stacking, aggro manipulation and lane equilibrium manipulation are as fundamental to the identity and gameplay of Dota as turning on your monitor, it'll be unplayable without them. You'd know that if you had played it. You'd also know that there are actual tiny autistic details that maybe aren't fun and they could have been removed, like turn speed.

>>716050729
yeah nice concept art from 12 months ago, let them cook and all that fellow redditor

>>716048790
What were Gayben and Icefraud thinking ?

>>716050789
Instantaneous turning would make ranged carries pure cancer, go on demo with zero turn rate and try orbwalking with Drow or Sniper with his bullshit ministun on right click.

>>716050350
>rec basketball and soccer
LMAO

>>716043238
it is unfortunate, as the idea is
>what if shooter, but for people who have an IQ of higher than 60
It'll be a niche competitive game, but it doesn't have to be anything else, who cares, valve certainly doesn't.

>>716049571
Firstly, more players on each team than lanes available at the time, so somebody was always gong to be doubled up no matter what. Secondly, if you're playing soccer and a new guy doesn't know the rules and explains to you as such, you don't start screaming to everyone that the new player is intentionally trying to sabotage the game then try to rally both teams to leave the field and go to his house to burn it down. Thirdly, it's a goddamn closed alpha test. Soccer has just been invented, they aren't even letting teams form, there's officials standing on the sidelines writing and rewriting the rules between each match, and one tester has the audacity to claim that another is not playing the game as they feel is intended and should be punished for it? There's your prideful ego trip right there.

>>716050856
>they're going to stop working on the game! they're going to cancel the game!
they're doing remodels for everyone, even the character designs that people have no problems with

>>716050621
There are people who know how to play Deadlock and have known how to play since before the game was even "open". You're just wrong. There has never been a point where people didn't understand the macro strategy because a lot of it is based on Dota. What you are saying is just wrong. It doesn't matter if the rules are changing or not. If it's your second game and someone tells you to leave a lane, you assume they are right because you have played 2 games and there is almost 0 chance they are less experienced then you. Again, this behavior would not be accepted irl not because sports have defined rules but because as a newcomer to a game you don't cop an attitude when other people are trying to teach you how to play. People do this in ALL online games, and again this is not just an issue with Deadlock so your logic centering around that doesn't make sense. There's just a lot of people with thin skin and big egos that take anyone telling them what to do as an insult and then they act like a petulant child and do the opposite of what they were told because "No one tells them what to do!" I have seen this across dozens of games both when I am the one giving advice and when I am just witnessing it. It's a horrible problem and people that do it need to be called out more. It's truly pathetic.

>>716050927
gaben is busy buying yachts and icefrog has been missing for years

>>716042398 (OP)
Forgot this game

>>716051054
so happy for you, call me when the penis head is gone (its still there)

>>716051078
Icefrog got assassinated by an exploding Mossad pager.

>>716042398 (OP)
Lol i better not see these niggas put more marketing into this game then the greatest game they ever made in dota 2 valve aint shit

>>716047149
>literally has a guy who can do nothing but attach a healing beam to another player

>>716042507
110% woke
Nothing but ugly characters. I don't want to buy dlc for the girls. I don't want to buy dlc for the males. It's a F2Play game where the characters are really ugly, on purpose and I don't know why they thought it was a good idea. It's Valve's version of Concord honestly.

>>716051054
Anon, you're talking to people who unironically think the game is finished and has had an official release

>>716047708
left has better font

>>716051038
>Firstly, more players on each team than lanes available at the time, so somebody was always gong to be doubled up no matter what.
Why are you, the new player assuming you know what the best set up is? You couldn't possibly but you didn't want to listen to anyone else because you have an ego problem and decided you are going to make your own decisions in a game you have less experience in than others. You chose to play a game. You know you don't know it's intricacies, you even admit that in this post. You still decide not to take the advice of others because you're a thin-skinned pussy that can't handle doing what others tell him to do.

Here's a question anon, when you were asked to leave the lane why didn't you? The only answers are "Because I don't want to do what someone told me to" or "To piss of the guy telling me what to do." You really think those answers portray you in a good light? You really think if you said that in a real life game, that you weren't listening to more experienced players because you wanted to piss them off, you really think you wouldn't get punched in the face?

The game is just trash. It's less intuitive than Dota and dilutes the gameplay by introducing half-assed shooter mechanics. Just commit to being a numbers based MOBA or a shooter. This hybrid nonsense isn't working. Having such limited range on your bullets and losing to someone who can't aim just because they have more farm than you feels awful. The upgrade system and the UI is also really bad. At least give the upgrades easily readable icons that explain their purpose. In Dota the damage items look like aggressive weapons and the defense items look like bulky shields.

>>716050472
>"IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY RELEASED YET"
This is an objective fact no matter how much /v/ cries otherwise. It's like watching the shazamfags say that Elden Ring was a "spiritual flop" whatever the fuck that mean.

>>716046523
because the people that made dota 2 arent making deadlock the old guard of valve made dota 2 with icefrog

>>716051409
Dota is not intuitive at all. You need a crash course on its mechanics before you even start against bots, let alone humans.
>The upgrade system and the UI is also really bad.
>At least give the upgrades easily readable icons that explain their purpose. In Dota the damage items look like aggressive weapons and the defense items look like bulky shields.
They updated the store toxobro

>>716051409
>>716051523
they reworked every item icon just two months ago, other guy posted the leaked version from a week before the update

>>716046523
>>716046652
>>716051508
Hopoo is working on Deadlock, so we'll get to relive the balancing experience of Risk of Rain 2 together once again.

>>716051062>>716051062
>know how to play Deadlock and have known how to play since before the game was even "open"
Some players isn't every player. You always get someone who barely knows what they're doing but still demands the team goes to kill midboss when everyone is alive and nothing is pushed.
Additionally there are always going to be people the don't know about when the laning phase ends or other unspoken rules. You learn and figure those out by playing. If another player tells you to fuck off and it's your second game then you don't know what the problem is unless they actually explain it, otherwise you assume they're just being a dick.

>>716050664
>Gaming has changed a lot since then so maybe the same thing won't happen
This is the reason why I'm so bothered about it.
Okay, it worked for Dota2, but that was over 10 years ago when MOBAs were still in vogue. Now its 2009+16, and MOBAs aren't as big as they used to be. Alternatively, Hero Shooters were in their prime almost a decade back. So that's TWO possible categories that you can classify Deadlock under, and they're both out of fashion.
Now I might be over-pessimistic, so I would be genuinely suprised if there's a big resurgence of interest in Deadlock again, but really it's a very difficult milestone for the game to reach, especially after all the amount of time it has been "out", the rather difficult gameplay for the regular gamer, the bad rep the game amassed over the past year, and the (current) lack of hype and FOMO-ness the game needs to get popular again.

>>716048981
>engine quirk
dawg, don't spout bullshit, denying is an actively coded in mechanic in the dota map as you cannot attack allied creeps until they hit a certain threshold. Whereas in normal melee you can kill your own shit from 100-0

>>716051606
he's been working on that for several months and all the public patches are still just
>reworked urn for the 900th time because we already paid for voicelines and refuse to remove it from the game
>midboss still has no name but his respawn timer is now -1 minute

>>716050563
Denying is fun, and stacking is a way to funnel money into carries thus letting some people suck in lane but carry later on.

>>716051769
A bunch of the initial hero labs new characters was them, like Wizard. I doubt most of the real work is stuff they put into public patches.

>>716051410
Sky is blue and water is wet
Objective facts won't mean shit

I didn't get this opinion off of /v/ by the way, I actually hate the TORtanic shitposting the faggots here are prone to doing.

>>716050731
>Whenever I play LoL
why admit you're retarded? it just makes your entire post smell.

>>716050749
>>716050789
>>716051806
assfaggots lovers spotted

>>716051661
>MOBAs aren't as big as they used to be
I kind of see that working in their favour. There was so many MOBA's chasing after the success of LoL and DotA that it oversaturated the market with games that never actually did anything different.
Skip to now and the only recent MOBA release I can think of is that pokemon one which was apparently in 2021.
This game not only detaches itself from the top down view but embraces the shooter element to be distinct from anything else the genre has presented since SMNC.

>>716051893
You're in a Dota 3 thread retard

>>716046967
>Shooting is stressing
>MOBA is stressing
Let's combine the two together! Double the money!

>>716051893
>is a drooling shooterspic
>comes to assfaggot thread to hate on assfags
highest IQ avg per any shiteo game genre btw, you hate these mechanics because you're a retard

>>716042507
It's a MOBA.
It literally does not fucking matter. It's the video game equivalent of dust on the top of a shelf you can't see.

>>716052002
Stressful. Stressing means to put emphasis on a point

>>716042398 (OP)
>make it open
It's already open in all but name to anyone who wants to get in.

>le moba bad
>uhh it like stresses me out bro
go back to your dinkey kang or gacha threads or whichever subhuman video "game" genre threads you crawled out of

>>716052270
I can deal with Dota but Deadlock genuinely spikes my cortisol way too high, it's not good for my health.

>>716052351
you'll get used to it eventually, same way you did with dota

>>716052268
No bro the alpha anyone can get in to by having a singular friend is merely layer 1. Layer 2 is where the actual development is happening and it's near impossible to get in that unless your singular friend works for valve.

>last heroes were added 8 months ago
valve really wants to work on this game, fr fr

>>716052415
>he thought Valve Time was a meme

>>716043761
shes japanese, they all look like that

>>716052473
dota beta test added heroes like every month

>>716052407
I don't see anything in the OP mentioning alpha or layer 2.

>>716052541
Not excusing how abysmally slow Deadlock's development is, but those were ports from DoTA. When they started making original ones they add maybe one or two a year.

>>716052635
I mean deadlock heroes are dota ports in all but name and appearance
the retarded catlady is just slark, the wizard is just rubick, and so on.

>>716052635
>abysmally slow Deadlock's development is,
Games aren't made overnight. Anything customer facing is a small fraction of what makes up your favourite title but equates for a huge amount of what most consider progress.

>start working on a game
>it's coming together but is in a really rough alpha
>hand out codes to friends and family to help you test the game
>some total retard fully leaks gameplay
>make the equally retarded move to just freely distribute codes
>predictably, the internet is super fucking stupid and cannot read the giant THIS IS AN ALPHA NOT A FINISH PRODUCT warning on your game
>as a result, your game is called an amateurish mess
I dunno why, upon reaching this point, that valve didn't decide to just shut the open(ish) alpha and go fully behind closed doors again. Why the awkward public alpha branch and private alpha branch

>>716052746
Yeah bro just build the fucking house. How hard can it be? Houses are everywhere.

>>716052986
I could build an american house in an afternoon

>>716042507
1. Visually it’s extremely ugly and hard to see and understand what’s going on. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen
2. Acute Gameplay wise it’s kind of boring bulletsponge with a bad map. You have to shoot dudes for auto attack
3. Meta Gameplay wise it’s changing all the time and there is some fun in leveling up and becoming strong and winning over the course of the 25-35 mins it changes every patch and last I played the first 12 mins didn’t really matter and anything after 35 mins didn’t really matter and whoever won the early mid game would snowball and dominate. If somehow they fucked around and don’t end it then it becomes a stale mate that goes on for a long time.

That is to say it’s gameplay si still alpha mode and not good enough to put time into right now. It’s experimental ugly and isn’t even giving good matches about 60% of the time.

It’s genuinely a bad game at the moment. The art, frankly need a comeplte overhaul both aesthetically and because it’s just really hard to visually understand wtf is going on and who you are seeing and what they are doing.
Even if they nail the flow of the game between phases it’s never going to work bc the visuals are so bad for gameplay

deadlock always felt like a source 2 betatest playground to me. this is where they experiment with everything before pushing it out to dota 2 or counter strike 2 in some way.

>>716051309
>Why are you, the new player assuming you know what the best set up is? You couldn't possibly but you didn't want to listen to anyone else because you have an ego problem and decided you are going to make your own decisions in a game you have less experience in than others. You chose to play a game. You know you don't know it's intricacies, you even admit that in this post.

Nobody knows the fucking inticacies. Especially not in the first week of a closed alpha test where aspects of the game can change, sometimes dramatically, between individual matches. What part of that can you not comprehend? This is not a competitive e-sport. It's a test.

>You still decide not to take the advice of others because you're a thin-skinned pussy that can't handle doing what others tell him to do.
What advice? Nothing construing advice was ever given. Immediate escalation to claiming I'm throwing. Throwing a just released alpha test, I need to keep reminding you.

>Here's a question anon, when you were asked to leave the lane why didn't you?
You assume I didn't. I did. It did not satisfy the person who fixated on me

>>716052776
you don't get your overnight quip is a negative for you.

dota wasn't made overnight but valve abandoned it overnight and now just uses it as a cash cow. i explained in the other post how the cosmetics/other things are busted constantly so what does valve do? they start dropping more and more chests cause they're getting less money since people who buy cosmetics notice all the shit they buy keeps breaking.

i assume the cs2 developers pay more attention to cosmetics since cs2 is a money laundering operation tied to eastern european organized crime. dota2 devs are a reflection of the quality that valve is delivering in their games.

don't even try and pull any bullshit about how valve is too cool for money. they try and nickle and dime the shit out of players. if they don't want money why are they selling broken stuff? they're basically scammers. scammers will never do the long-haul so that means your game is gona be cutshort.

>>716053313
>but valve abandoned it overnight
heaven forbid, this poor game has been abandoned in it's 12th year

>>716042507
It's woke, now go back to sleep kitten :3

>>716053439
The LC capsule art is soulless, they should update that already.

>>716051062

>There are people who know how to play Deadlock and have known how to play since before the game was even "open".
holy shit you're retarded

>>716053439
you think that's a win? the top rated games on the view tab are 5v5 bots. valve restricted the absolute top match making so we can't even view it anymore because the very highest matches were also 5v5 bots. you'd click a match filled with pros and beneath it was 5v5 bots walking in circles

more than half of those "players" are bots

i mentioned how long that stuff was broken, but it's partially due to the player base not even really existing anymore. it's not even 1/10 of what it use to be.

>>716051523
>Dota is not intuitive at all. You need a crash course on its mechanics before you even start against bots, let alone humans.

For zoomies maybe everybody else grew up with WC3 so they already knew how to play Dota. Deadlock will however go nowhere and be always like underlords or that other failed card game from Valve.

>>716053797
Why are you watching games instead of playing?
Why are you double spacing all your posts?
Why are you still losing it over cosmetics that I don't care about but can't name any actual bugs
Why are you moaning about DotA in a deadlock thread?
Why are you here?

>>716053495
I just noticed that Drow isn't there, sad.

>>716052049
yeah anon I'm sure your game that is 99% played by malnourished drunk cykas is "high iq"

I'm an RTS player and 2200 elo in AoE2 so I'd say I know what i'm talking about and you're a retard

>>716052351
exact opposite for me.

>>716054003
you gotta be some turdworld retard who thinks he's gonna earn money in deadlock or something. a normal human can't be this pathetic.

>Why are you watching games instead of playing?
because dota is a complex game and seeing how others do stuff is a way to learn fucking retard. watching dota replays goes back to the original dota forum/gosugamers. i'm a mentally ill piece of shit like you who just drools and mindlessly does stuff it's a strategy game.
>Why are you still losing it over cosmetics that I don't care about but can't name any actual bugs
there was a bug in the game for 6 months that cause qop to kill herself and then become a bugged unit when she ulted an aeon disk. it happened in a pro match so after it ruining all those games valve finally fixed it. also, there's too many different bugs to count in dota they're so numerous it's weird to think about it. one example was how spectre talent didn't add any damage to manta style for 2 years even though it was reported.
>cosmetics
definitely a brown skinnned 2 digit iq turdworlder. those cosmetics pay the developers, subhuman. if the developers don't want money from players they don't need to sell cosmetics. if they sell them they need to fix them otherwise they're like you a subhuman scammer. you're probably a pajeet since you don't see anything wrong with developers selling people broken stuff cause you're a brown scammer yourself.

>>716048269
idk what it is with these people, I honestly wonder if they ever even played the game with the kind of shit they say.
that might be it, when you needed to get an invite to play they didn't have any friends to invite them and were too pussy to ask others for invites so they didn't ever actually get to play it and are butthurt they never got a chance.

or something who knows lmao
its strange how cultish the hate around the game is. It is as if there is like a reverse shilling campaign being for the game, but that just doesn't make any sense.

>>716054585
>gonna earn money in deadlock or something
lol how. People have been going on about how the game's a scam for the past year when there's not even any way for valve or the players to make money from it.
>qop glitch
Damn, it only took you half the thread to actually post this and still got half the details wrong https://www.hotspawn.com/dota2/news/ti14-qualifiers-qop-bug
>some rant about cosmetics
I don't care for whatever you're whining about, go complain about races and subhumans on /pol/, they love pointless buzzword posts with assumed facts

Dota is officially soulful and not dead as of a few weeks ago when they told some intern or whatever to go back and add lore blurbs to all items and abilities that lacked one. They stopped adding them years ago and I'm the only person who noticed, but now they fixed that, even the meme ones like Tiara.
One (1) entire day of work for intern-kun.

>>716050621
NTA but why does it matter if some people don't have a correct understanding of the game?
the person directly admitted it was his second match and he knew nothing about the game.

If you know 0/100 and someone knows 40/100 maybe you should listen to the person who knows 40/100 who is telling you what you should be doing when you do something wrong?
and this is giving him the absolute benefit of the doubt and looking at his actions favorably, taking his story as complete fact, including that there are 0 omissions, and that the other person was an asshole about everything they said.


In my experience this just isn't the case, I have had a chunk of irl people I know start playing a competitive game who then tell about some awful match and some absurd teammate and expect me to side with them but when I ask more questions just try to cover their bad behaviour. Typically I start avoiding these people as its very telling they simply can't contain themselves and are self reporting.
Let alone the experiences I have playing competitive games where someone is very reasonable talking to someone who is doing retarded shit for them to start deliberately being an asshole and fucking shit up and the person loses their patience, I don't blame the person for crashing out, I blame the dickhead griefing them.

What I think happened is that anon didn't know wtf to do, got dumpstered in his assigned lane, respawned and went into someone elses lane and started fucking it up, dude asked him to leave, most likely nicely and reasonably, only for anon to either ignore him or say some shit, but also deliberately going out of his way to do exactly what he was asked not to do.
the asking everyone to report him is the real self report, as the reason he remembers this detail and is concerned about it as it felt valid to him that he might get punished because of the shit he said, anon probably raged hard and was flaming incessantly throughout the game.

>>716055343
Wrong, I also noticed that.

>>716055174
>pajeet scammer subhuman keeps trying to pretend it's normal and okay for developers to sell players stuff break it and never fix it
>SAAR I DON'T BUY SO SCAM IS OKAY!!! I DON'T CARE SAAAR SCAM IS GOOD DEVELOPER SELL YOU AND TAKE MONEY AND WALK AWAY
i didn't get the details wrong either you lying brown piece of shit. there's fucking dates to support what i said, jeet piece of shit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1izzy7v/can_someone_explain_queen_of_pain_bought_back_and/
this reddit thread is dated from 5 months ago with the bug that i mentioned but it's even older this report.

>>716052746
Who is lash and holiday
I can't imagine they would fit in a 2D game

>>716053930
>dota is intuitive if you already know how to play dota
woa genius out here

>>716055343
>>716055630
Keep begging for players on fucking 4chan you fucking shills
No amount of begging will hide the fact that you're goddamn league devs begging for a livelihood while offering nothing but degradation, not just of yourselves but also everything that you touch in return
We really don't hate you enough

>>716056459
sucks for your generation if you don't play complex games like RTS anymore, lol.

>>716056143
Dota technically is 3D, but height only affects very few things, like Mars's ult and Auroth's flight
>Lash
In terms of forced movement for the enemy team, Magnus, it's the one thing he does
For self mobility maybe Ember
>Holiday
Haven't played Deadlock since they added her so I don't know her, what does she do?

>>716055563
Yeah what the fuck was he thinking? You can't just fuck around like that in DOTA 2 and not expect to be called out.

>>716056505
>taking the piss at Valve for only having some interns working at Dota to patch holes
>saar you are shill do not redeem
meds retard

>>716056585
>no argument, pointless genflaming made-up strawman to feel you are superior
concession accepted

Wish it wasnt so aim reliant. Love every aspect of the game except that you have to have twitch shooter tier aim to do anything meaningful above the mmr trench.

>>716047921
>he plays on casual all day and thinks the game is fine

>>716053930
>dota is intuitive if you played [game dota was based on]
and other enlightening takes from /v/

>>716051236
when did faggots like this completely demolish the word "woke"? now it just means "anything /v/ personally disapproves of" without even a political connotation
MOM THIS SALAD IS WOKE YOU KNOW I DON'T LIKE TOMATOES YOU DUMB CUNT

>>716056639
magnus is nothing like lash, he's like abrams
i don't even know what you think ember is supposed to share with lash at all

>>716051878
>Objective facts won't mean shit
/v/ in a nutshell

>>716056776
>only plays braindead games
>can't comprehened complex games anymore
many such cases
>>716056879
zoomies couldn't beat WC3 campaign on normal.

>>716056948
Idk man. Leftoids have been calling anyone right of Lenin nazis for decades, and it doesn't seem to be slowing down at all.

>>716057017
When I think of Lash I see two defining characteristics
>forced movement and CC for large groups of the enemy team
Magnus does that with blink/RP/Horn Toss/Skewer, I couldn't think of a closer comparison. But the Abrams one is correct too
>fast targeted movement skills
So Ember

>>716056750
>Make positive comment about Dota 2 in 2024+1
Unacceptable. Even joking about Dota 2 being good at this point, in its current form, offends me on a fundamental level.

>>716056143
Holliday's most obvious comparison is Batrider

>>716056639
Main focus is headshots with a revolver
Holiday can place bounce pads that work for both sides. The first allied teammate to use them gets a damage impact when landing and all allies get a speed boost after use.
She also has a lasoo like batrider so is able to grab an enemy and pull them wherever she can bounce to.

>>716049571
You are a retarded subhuman who thinks playing random matchmaking and getting mad at your random teammates for not being at your desired skill level is constructive

>>716057136
it's close but it's still a massive reach, his most defining characteristic is actually nuking enemies with his 1 from high heights and great aerial movement that is good for engaging but mediocre for general map traversal (and mediocre for retreating if there's no allies in safe positions to pull yourself to)

>>716058068
>it's close
it's the closest i mean

>>716048790
They're gonna ruin her.... Please no, she's suffered enough with nerf after nerf.....

>>716057723
Saying "You need to leave this lane and go to this lane." Is not getting mad at someone. Refusing to listen when you're new to a game because someone DARED to tell you what to do is getting mad at someone. The fact that you do so silently through your actions doesn't make it better, in fact it arguably makes it worse because people's voices can be muted. You can't mute someone throwing a game out of petulant anger because someone made the mistake of telling them they were doing something wrong. Like I said, I have witnessed this in other games. I have witnessed it when people where correcting others, not me. Video games attract a lot of thin skinned losers that overestimate their own skill and the internet lets them get away with their shitty behavior never being checked.

>>716042507
it's woke. don't forget to review bomb and spam the game discussions to annoy the wokies.

>>716055563
>the asking everyone to report him is the real self report, as the reason he remembers this detail and is concerned about it as it felt valid to him that he might get punished because of the shit he said
I remember it because it was my second and last match, comprising half of my total interaction with the game. This combined with being amazed that people were already acting this way despite the game not even being in testing for more than about two weeks.You claim to be giving me the benefit of the doubt, and to have plenty of experience in competitive multiplayer. At no point was anyone reasonable towards me, and you should know damn well that reasonable rarely enters into things in online games. But if you feel that I was just a pissy troll then take heart. I stopped participating in the test because of that. My last interaction with the game was to submit as much information and logs about that match to the feeback forum.

And I keep having to stress this point: this is not a comp game with established leagues and such, it is a closed alpha test.

>>716042398 (OP)
i guess gaben doesn't care anymoret, probably too busy diving or watching his race team go in circles to notice the blemishes that are artifact underlords and soon this
don't blame him video games aren't that interesting at his level of wealth... good luck on those brain chips i guess

>>716042507
If you suck valve cock you like it, if you don't it's woke garbage.

>>716049996
Why are you not playing dota 2 right now if you like those new features so much?

>>716058687
>The head of a video game developer and distributor doesn't care any more because his company applied for the trademark of their most recent game in development
???

>>716058803
you are disengenous, shan't waste my time when you clearly aren't interested in changing your opinions

>>716058870
Can't have one thread on here without some incoherent shitposter turning up that loses it the second you question what they are on about.

>>716042507
I played it back in August for a few hours. Solid gameplay, which is a given for Valve, but nothing to draw me in. I don't care for matchmaking only esports shit and thats what Valve is catering towards. That and the artstyle is hideous.

>>716042398 (OP)
tried playing it but not my taste, still confusing

one time i selected the british soldier guy, i got stunned and bashed in random buttons and killed the entire enemy team.
it's unclear and a visual fuckfest, no thanks

artifact 2?

you know I was actually kind of excited for artifact, cause of the steam market and trading system. deadlock was fun at the start but now it looks like it'll flop. Is there a meta already? I found the items so confusing.

>>716060829
>I was actually kind of excited for artifact, cause of the steam market and trading system.
>deadlock was fun at the start but now it looks like it'll flop.
>Is there a meta already?
>I found the items so confusing.
Nothing to say here but this series of sentences is very comedic

>>716059532
reeeeetaaaaard

>>716060987
Are all mobafags this miserable or are you just having a bad day?

>>716059532
That's alright, dota clones are for certain flavors of autism.
They should add some casual mode without itemization though.

>>716060829
>Is there a meta already?
No and hopefully stays that way. Characters are open ended and intentionally set up so that you can build them in different way without one outright correct build.

>>716060987
Why? I'm tired and it's late for me, what's so damn funny about it?

I don't know how other card games work but you can't sell em for steambux. I'm judging the game based on the playercount. Playing at the start had no meta and fun or weird builds were abound. The items don't have the distinct appearances of dota items and I am getting older and my brain doesn't learn as fast.

>>716061263
i liked playing bebop and resetting the bomb is that still doable

>>716061386
Yeah, its one of the ways to play him.
I think the item that does it is slightly more expensive but also has other stat benefits.

More “Boy, my 5,000$ computer runs games half as well as a PS4! Can’t wait for the new Steam sale where I can pay for free data!” coming boys

>>716061195
>They should add some casual mode without itemization though.
why? the items are very simple in the game. the game would be boring without the map objectives, farm, and builds.

>>716061386
I just thought the phrasing was funny.
>i liked playing bebop and resetting the bomb is that still doable
Yes, infinite scaling memes are funny
>>716061693
>why?
Casuals.

>>716061745
>>why?
>Casuals.
the itemization is so simple in this game. its not like dota at all

>>716042507
MOBA. I'll be skipping it.

>>716061549
What? Did you just read deadlock and throw a melty?

I'm sure the biggest barrier to some players to understand the game is making the connection between spirit power and that purple icon on some of their skills.

>>716061858
>the itemization is so simple in this game. its not like dota at all
I am aware. It also has no actual crafting recipes or trees, it's only linear upgrade paths, and itemization is a lot more streamlined, simpler and fewer actives, dedicated slots.
It's still too complex for most people.

>>716061745
>I just thought the phrasing was funny.
it's 2am and my thoughts are fuzzy. I just wrote what my brain spat out.

I'm curious to know how many people bounced off deadlock because it balls to the wall tests your aim. Like if you're an overwatch player and think you're hot shit, but suddenly some dude flies at you mach 3 and sticks his nuts in your mouth, and you're reminded that you actually suck at FPS games when the hitboxes aren't super generous and everything moves at a snails pace.

>>716062048
The game needs a comprehensive tutorial to explain stuff like spirit stat scaling as well, like Dota does. It's still a playtest so it assumes a baseline level of knowledge, but this shit is cryptic from the outside.

>>716062306
A tutorial is the last thing you add in a videogame like this, because its super fucking tedious to go back and rewrite the entire thing because you drastically altered the actual videogame.

>WAAAH GAME HARD WAAH MOMMY I DONT WANT TO LEARN IM TOO OLD FOR THIS WAAAH SO COMPLEX WAAAAH
This is why gacha garbage is so popular
"modern" gamers are pathetic pussy faggots

The game is just too much of a commitment for a casual like me. You have to study up on all that shit and a game is 30 minutes of pure stress.
I want to like it, but it's just not for me.

>>716062145
>It's still too complex for most people.
i dont agree. i have gotten a lot of people into deadlock that didnt fuck with dota at all. i dont think deadlock is any harder than playing overwatch, r6 siege, or apex legends at a decent skill level.

>>716042398 (OP)
moba games are shit
no thank you

>>716062425
Not now of course, it should be the last thing they develop, after they've decided on basic stuff like "how many lanes will the game have" or " will there be a deny/last hit mechanic"

>>716062425
The tutorial only needs to be something simple
>shoot target with skill for 100 damage
>buy spirit power
>arrow now does 110 damage
>hold tab and hover to see how it scales
>done
It doesn't take a lot and this doesn't need to be final either.

>>716062481
Same buddy, I remember being mid SC2 match dripping sweat with my brain racing over all the things I've learned and all the possibilities of what I could do or they could do. Then it screeched to a halt and asked me "why the fuck are we doing this? it's not fun. your actual job is dramatically less stressful" and I quit there and then.

>>716062447
I'm not learning an inferior version of dota.

>>716062740
Potentially this could be a better dota. I just hope they don't give up before it gets there.

>>716062740
Both games are good. I just see no reason to play an unfinished playtest now while I could be playing the finished Dota.
I'll wait to see when it's released.

I really like the design and characters of Deadlock but MOBA gameplay is fucking terrible.
Unironically if they had just made this a normal third person arena shooter with a cool growing cast of characters and fun map designs it would be a smash hit, but everyone that plays DOTA already fucking just plays DOTA and ONLY plays DOTA. The zoomer third person shooter crowd is barely going to flock to this.

Make a deathmatch mode and watch the players flood in. I'm dead fucking serious.

Don’t care. Finish Artifact Foundry.

Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>716043238
>overcuck has fans
Maybe you've noticed that most of the "competitive" games coming out in the last 5-10 years have launched with a roster of characters/backstories designed to appeal to a certain type of individual.

overwatch launched with some generic lore, because it was just leftover scraps from titan. the game itself was just tf2 with no soul, and an extreme focus on objectives only. the sfm porn saved the game, and they realized they had an entirely different audience than they anticipated - mentally ill tumblrtards who will project whatever retarded fanfic bullshit they can into any ip they get into, regardless of if they play it.

Lash is based and im gonna play this game just for him

>>716063151
I hope they don't change his bio. It's perfect.

>>716061096
sorry dont want to be flashbanged every 3 minutes

>>716061195
i enjoyed dota but the forced roles made me leave, maybe they can cut down a lot in items to make it a bit simple for casual

>>716057090
there is no retort more retarded to the question of
>why are you behaving like an idiot?
than
>buh other "side" also behaves like idiots!

what are you, a child? did you shove chalk up your ass cause billy shoved pencils up his?

>>716063151
>soijakposter

>>716062481
>>716062663
Games are meant to be fun. That is why they are games.

>>716063151
Lash is the only fun hero in this game
>>716063224
Sadly Valve toned down some of dialogue a bit already

>Deadlock
More like Deadborn..

>>716063024
lol i dont understand how people get filtered by using a little part of your brain is it that hard to shove lanes farm and pick good fights

>>716064295
yeah i dont get it either. i think adding lanes, map control, and farm to a hero shooter makes the game feel way more 3 dimensional and fun to play.

>>716063024
I disagree. The mechanics are fundamentally built around the MOBA aspect. The fights wouldn't be fun in a vacuum. And I say this as someone who doesn't enjoy MOBAs.

>>716064430
I expect them to add workshop support at some point. People can make their deathmatch mode or lash only CTF when that comes around.
Otherwise I'm tired of seeing people beg for less game. They just need to face that it's not made for them and play one of the countless other hero shooters without moba aspects.

>>716063708
>forced roles
You can just play no role all pick ranked

>>716042507
there is no narrative. The game boils down to a mediocre moba that is also a mediocre shooter. The only reason people shilled it so hard is because it is made by Valve. Had it been developed by anyone else it'd have already been forgotten.

>>716042398 (OP)
I will never play ASSFAGGOTS
Moba is shit and always will be.

I will play TF2 until the master server list dies and even then I'll play some sort of alternative then

Moba faggotry is 10 years late, that ship has sailed in the industry, and no one likes Deadlock (worst parts of TF2 turned into RD_ moba and MvM and rail mechanic stupidity)

>>716064612
>People can make their deathmatch mode or lash only CTF when that comes around.
BEBOP WARS

>>716065085
Could actually be one of the test games to demonstrate the tools.

@716064936
>tf2 kid
>reddit spaced
>is a retard
figures LOLMAO

>>716064882
>the only reason people care for [moba game] is that it's developed by [developers of the best moba in history] yes better than HoN
this isn't some profound discovery

>>716065291
>@

>>716064936
lol of course you dont like assfaggots it requires a bit to much iq for you so just stick with your tf2 something more of your speed

>>716065816
anyone with iq (midwit benchmark btw) isn't wasting it on throwaway entertainment like video games even gaben knows this

>>716050729
Needs a school uniform and huge breasts

@grok why is this retard posting sandy twice in the thread

>>716064646
welcome to 5 carries vs a team with a actual support, i like playing carry, but if i dont play pos 5/4 we will 100% have a lion 5 rushing aghenims scepter as a "support item"

>>716067161
>noooo you can only build you hero in one specific way or they're useless
This is why I like deadlock. You can build your characters to fill multiple different roles.

>>716067161
>play Willow 4
>boots and euls straight into farming for aghs
>completely viable, meta and appropriate support playstyle
Life is good

>>716063039
we don't care about artifact, we care about deadlock!

Artstyle is kinda hideous and MOBA cancer makes it worse, i dont think this shit has future at all

>>716042507
it's aesthetically bad. You can feel the corpo-woke influence, but it's not overwhelmingly woke. Woke and aesthetically soulless converge at a certain point. Corporate memphis/globohomo art, etc.

>>716068086
>Corporate memphis/globohomo art, etc.
It's art deco you swine

>>716068086
Please show me how it's remotely like this?

>>716067809
>>716067918
1k mmr

other builds are fine but its very obvious when someone is not supporting , stay in crusader

>>716068158
>>716068285
I wasn't literally calling it corporate memphis. I was talking about how woke and aesthetically soulless can converge, using it as an example.

Anyways, Deadlock is woke tinged soulless. Not full woke, but woke enough to feel shallow.

>>716069835

>>716069901
Reading comprehension

>>716069936

>>716042398 (OP)
the only thing I liked about tf2 were the weird game modes the community made, not interested in deadcock until the same is true for it

>>716055563
>>716050350
>>716049571
if he threw the game how did they win retard
lrn to read

>Every Deadlock thread on /v/
Trust the vision.

>>716070978
Yeah, they will make Yamato a smoking hot anime girl. They know that's what people want.

>>716070978
Ill be interested to see the final product, not really visuals but actually how much Dota they keep because the average person is not going to like silences, hard CC that lasts 3 seconds or more, or hard-counters. I actually liked the 4 lane design so its kinda sad its down to 3.

>>716070978
Every Artifact thread on /v/
Every Underlords on /v/

I liked Valve better before they became obsessed with microtransactions and MOBAs.

>>716042507
It's a multi-player Valve game, so we're supposed to like it.

>>716071646
Turd worlders will be all over it if they put in the steam market economy.

>>716043167
>Abrams, Talon, Lash, Kelvin in the crowd
I fuckin' keked.

>>716043347
>Bebop's riiiiight over there
>Ah, yes, I see him.
>Alright now dome that fucking clanker

>>716070684
That's really stupid reasoning. If someone fed nonstop on purpose but their team won would you still say they didn't throw? I guess if you want to be a pedantic retard we can say "attempt to throw". Doing something other than trying to win is throwing. If you are taking an action to spite your own teammate and not because it's correct you are throwing. Whether or not you win does not change this. Just like how it doesn't change that if you feed on purpose but your team still wins, you were still throwing. I love that you try to defend the behavior in such a roundabout way because there is no other way to defend it.

>>716042398 (OP)
There was about a 2 month period where the average length of a match was 20-40 minutes, hovering around 30. Games were quick, souls came fast, and you'd end around 30-50k. Now? Matches average 40-60 minutes, with 50 being the norm. There's a solid 10-20 minutes of... deadlock in the endgame when everyone has a full build and 10k excess souls where people just fish for an edge

>>716068915
Arcanes-Euls-Blink-Aghs is meta for DW though. She doesn't scale with items much, only levels early, only needs euls for a true gank combo and blink for mobility then she's free to go aghs to be useful lategame.

>>716044625
FV off with Time Zone was very fun
until they removed the leash effect on time zone
now its back to being useless

>>716044539
>that beautiful patch where Global Silence did TWO instances of Silence so you couldn't dispel it
Pure cancer.

>>716073783
>he doesnt remember back when you bought lothars on riki and you didnt get revealed by sentries or dust

>>716042507
Play it now while the player base is still small so regardless of whether it flops or gets flooded with shitty players, you can go "ah, the good old days back before it went to shit."

>>716042398 (OP)
the game is simply too much for me, I can't keep up with the movement + the shooting + the abilities / items usage. Way too much shit to keep track off

I am not saying they should dumb down the game in any way but it will clearly filter a ton of people and I don't think it will be as successful as Dota2 and CS2

>>716074150
>Encounter the same players every match
>Dont feel like being an asshole anymore
Ah the good old days.

>>716074150
i already say this because the game was at its peak during june/july of last year

>>716075145
trve, trve...

>>716062558
>i dont think deadlock is any harder than playing overwatch, r6 siege, or apex legends at a decent skill level.
not him and I disagree.
I can played a decent amount of overwatch and it is nothing like deadlock

>>716072386

they keep nerfing guns, i don't want to fucking press abilities i want to shoot them with my fucking gun.

>>716062558
It is MUCH more complicated than any of those games you mentioned, for the simple fact alone that you not only have to account for all combinations of character abilities in the game, but also all possible combinations of items, their counters etc., which are subject to constant changes.
You have to keep doing an immense amount of homework if you want to play at even a minimal skill level in this game.

>>716062447
retard

>>716042398 (OP)
The worst parts about this game are the moba aspects, should just get rid of them and put more focus on skillfully using game mechanics since those are generally really fun. I'm not even sure who it's for currently? moba players won't touch it since they can't into any movement beyond point & click and are too entrenched in their current games they hate to play anything else. It's also way harder to get into than a moba or hero game so it's not a 'gateway to mobas' like valve originally pitched it as

who is the audience?

>>716076898
Me who likes both.
Go play any of the other games if you don't want the crossover, this ones made for me.

>>716077209
the questions are how many of you are there and is it enough to keep the game afloat?

I can queue and get a game before the games even been announced. There's enough.

>>716076898
i feel like the devs got a big head and thought they would usher in a completely new genre of videogame with this or something. everyone that tries it always just ends up hating one aspect of it enough to stop playing.
it's like making a mixed drink of just random shit that tastes good on it's own and expecting it to be better than the sum of it's parts.

>>716042398 (OP)
Is the game fun yet?

>>716077924
it is as fun as it will ever get.

>>716071928
you missed the haze lmao

I literally only play shooters and competitive games and i don't see the fun in deadlock, it just takes the most frustrating strategy elements from league and combines it with clunky shooter mechanics worse than TF2 or overwatch

>>716042507
first post diabolical post

>>716042507
shit I don't know
what does our liege Asmongold think about it?

>>716042398 (OP)
The fundamental structure and traversal mechanics for Deadlock do not work. It's a fucking frankenstein of dota and action games that simply isn't fun or can ever be balanced.

The game will never launch. This is to protect the IP, but nothing else. And China will end up stealing it anyways.

don't care about this slop
where is Portal 3?

>>716042398 (OP)

>>716047708
right is soulless
left had such a great font

full announcement this october