FromSoft milked the rollslop formula to its absolute limit.
Will they be able to innovate for their next game, or keep rehashing the same game and fall into irrelevancy?

>>716049515 (OP)
the next game is already confirmed to be "totally not bloodborne 2" rollslop for tendies.

>>716049515 (OP)
Luv me swambus.

>>716049515 (OP)
>Make games with incredible level design and exploration and sufficient enough combat
>With each game move away from the level design and focus everything on the mediocre combat system without actually ever improving it

>vtranny
stay in your containment
>>>/vt/

>>716049740
>faggot
stay in your containment
>>>/lgbt/

>>716049737
elden ring has better level design than dark souls.

>>716049737
The level design in ER is amazing and I’m not just talking about legacy dungeons

>>716049908
Where is your tard handler? you shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet.

>assumes iai counter stance
There is no escape (forgive me master mohg just this once)
>steel clack
ZANKESTUKEN TENSHOU HA!
>layers of blood slashes close in on you
>YOU DIED
Fear the night...
>sheathes katana slowly

So did you like nightreign?

>>>/trash/
>>>/vt/
>>>/lgbt/
Not video games.

>>716049737
>>Make games with incredible level design and exploration
Which ones? surely you're not talking about games like DeS or the DS trilogy.
Your standards are not THAT low are they?

I love counting the rolls in elden ring webms

>>716049515 (OP)
They're unable to change looking at their history. Demon's Souls only got attention from the west because of the rise of internet and social media culture and thus started the pandemic of games that only focused on tolerable difficulty for normalfags.

>___slop

>>716049515 (OP)
>fromsoft x vtroon
match made in heaven

>/v/ trannies mad again their streaming career never took off because they couldn't git gud enough to beat a From game

>>716051076
You're getting old
Your opinion no longer matters
Thank you for playing

>>716049515 (OP)
hey
that's my webm

>>716049908
Stormveil is designed better than every level in DS1 except maybe Undead Burg (and that's only if you include the Parish and the Lower part)

>>716049737
It's pretty hard to be unique when you're doing same formula over and over. There's only so many ways you can place mobs around the room, just like there's only so many ways to swing a sword when people constantly complain about not having enough variety in movesets. Sometimes you've got to make an accent on something else.

>>716051706
dinobud spotted in the wild

>>716051706
>>716053305
Get back in /same/ (formerly /ggg/'s)

>>716052413
and a good morning to you bloody bastard benchnode

>>716049515 (OP)
they dont need to since Western devs are eunuchs and gay men who make total shit while complaining about their competitors.

>>716053445
Ok but it's a long way home and I am curious what dinotail meat is like

>>716051706
>>716053305
>>716053445
>>716053903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3jFTzhdZF4

>>716054201
This video was very funny when you're young, because of the mouth sounds.
It's the same as when babies find it amusing when you babble back.

>>716049515 (OP)
>makes a good game
>makes more of the good game
>/v/'s reaction: no you're not allowed to do that!
We can only hope the aliens save us from ourselves or kill us all painlessly

>>716049515 (OP)
she cute

>rollslop
You faggots keep using this word
It isn't meaning where you roll
It meant roll as in RNG/drop/loot mechanics

>>716049515 (OP)
how many times does she roll in this clip?

>>716054867
40

>>716054698
>>makes more of the good game
But it's not more. It's a monstrosity that uses the same parts and corrupts them into something that's no longer fun.

>>716054782
>it means [headcanon]
i bet you think parryslop refers to a platypus too

>>716049515 (OP)
They can pump out as many of them as they want and only minorities on /v/ will keep whining about it.

Will Brittany force her to run away again

>>716049515 (OP)
>3 R1s in 30 seconds
>30+ dodges, I lost count
Ironeyes like this are the ones telling you the Guardian glued to the boss' anus constantly stabbing it is "doing no damage".

>>716049737
Elden Ring has better level design than DaS1. DaS1 is great but is just shortcut slop at the end of the day. ER is biomes on top of biomes with points of interest scattered nearly perfectly. Both games exploration obviously suffer on subsequent playthroughs which is the downfall of this style of design focus, it's only truly magical on the first playthrough, but that's where build variety and playstyle variety comes in to make new playthroughs palatable.

>>716049515 (OP)
traitors

>>716049737
Elden Ring is their best game as of yet.

>>716055040
She's doing fine and no-name tweeters are not an issue.

>>716055269
Their best game is Sekiro though and maybe Bloodborne

>>716054867
roll as an evasive maneuver is bad because?
>reeee it just is okay! reeeeeeeeee
evrytme

>>716053305
>>716053445
>>716053903

>>716049515 (OP)
They will do a parryslop next set in japan (aka open world sekiro) and all the morons will larp it up like gods own gift to man.

sage the tranny discord raider thread

>>716049737
Elden Ring has some of the best level design of the series.

>>716055375
While both Sekiro and Bloodborne are masterpieces of their own and I play them each through the end at least once per year, I find it that Elden Ring is a game with infinite replay ability.

>>716055320
>Already taking breaks

they're trying to create negative perception because nightreign has new bosses dropping soon and it's going to be the number one streaming and played game on steam again.

>>716054698
Funny. When CODfags and Sportsfag say that, they rightfully get shit on.

>>716049515 (OP)
>/vt/roon
Brownoid thread

>>716049737
>Create Sen's Fortress
>Decide your dream game is an empty open world that has encounters with group of mobs/copypasted caves every half an hour or so and this takes 90% of the map

>>716054754
Thanks. That's my daughterwife.

>>716049908
Marginally better.

>>716055931
>boomers really thought 3 pressure plates, swinging axes and a rock was peak difficulty
Sad

>>716055891
>[Deleted]
Jannies trannys mad kek

>serious replies in a stealth vtumor thread
Oh how /v/ has fallen.

>>716055794
>having to replay that shit content more than once
no thanks the game is repetititve enough as it is

>>716056036
>zoomers really think holding the sprint button on a horse for 10 minutes at a time is peak difficulty
Pathetic

>>716053538
you're so fucking retarded

>>716049740
sadly, VTubing is becoming mainstream

>>716056036
You're being dishonest, it was a good starting point
Then they shit out two snow zones with almost nothing to do where a good chunk of the playerbase just gives up because it's so boring and copypasted

>>716055805
Cope.

>>716056132
>So shit at navigation from dementia it unironically spends more than 2 minutes on the horse ever
Sad

>>716056064
>AIIIEEEE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES JANNIES SAVE ME!!

>>716055812
Ah yes. the negative perception on /v/ will surely impact normalfags watching streamers and playing with their friends.
You are retarded anon.

>>716054698
I think you should kys immediately and I say this as a former fromdrone cultist

>>716056037
On a scale from 1 to 10, how brown do you consider yourself?

>>716056197
Yes, you seem to be. Very poorly.

>>716049515 (OP)
>elden ring was nothing but input reading
>people paid for the same bosses with more input reading
anybody that played this trash should be executed

>>716055206
>shortcut slop
you really need to do your parents a favor and swallow the warm end of a shotgun

>>716056302
0 because I don't watch rosaties

>>716056339
>back in my day we used to walk uphill both ways to the 'burg

>>716056334
input reading isn't necessarily a bad thing..

>>716056360
So that's a 10. I see.

>>716056117
>repetitive
Elden Ring has the biggest enemy roster while also having the biggest weapons, skills, spells and armor selection compared to any game ever.
no game has enemies and bosses as intricate and complex in their attacks and animations.
no game has a more beautiful artistic graphics style and more compelling world building.
it being repetitive is a (you) issue, faggot.

>>716056334
Erm, ackshually, it wasn't input reading, it was animation reading.
Yes, they reacted from the first frame of the animation, which makes it nigh indistinguishable from input reading, but still, it wasn't input reading.

>>716056442
input reading is why japanese games can't evolve out of arcade slop, rollspam and circle strafing

>>716049515 (OP)
>>716051706
>>716053305
>>716053903
>>716055436
>>>/vt/ranny

>>716049515 (OP)
So is this game just Monster Hunter if they made your character invincible?

>>716056582
nyo~~

>>716056647
it's monster hunter only it's permanent master class only you can stagger the bosses in like 5 hits

>>716056582
this board is now dino territory

>>716056710
brown

>>716056582
What is the point of /u/, /y/ and /vt/ when jannies let these faggots make off-topic threads here anyway?

>>716049515 (OP)
>>>/vt/umour

Shazam lost
/v/ lost
tortanicfags lost

>>716056751
ꜱoyboy

>>716056490
What's the use of the 10000 different colored dragon dildos if they all play the same? Same goes for enemies who do nothing but either spam movesets or flail around like retards.

>>716056753
>t.

>>716049515 (OP)
Kani

>>716056582
I'm not brown enough for that board. Sorry.

>>716056887

>>716049515 (OP)
That's a child. What are you doing anon?

I genuinely don’t get all the hate for these games. Miyazaki found a formula that works and he keeps executing it. People like the games so they keep buying them. I don’t understand why this is a problem. I’m not exactly a Fromsoft/“rollslop” fan but if people like those games then more power to them. Just find a game you do like and talk about that instead

For every off topic thread on /v/ I will personally send each janny tranny a pizza

>>716057096
>these games
game*
Nightreign sucks because it's roguelike trash.
I want another Elden Ring.

>>716057096
They released during an age where devs were releasing low polish low effort console games to meet investor demands. It's a low effort low polish console series

>>716056490
>Elden Ring has the biggest enemy roster
>no game has bosses as intricate and complex in their attacks and animations
I thought I already told you that's wrong just within this last 24 hours. Why do you continue to hold onto this factually incorrect belief?

>>716057096
Once again, that reasoning can also be applied to sports game, COD or Assassin's Creed. Yet I bet every single person in this thread has shit on at least one of those games for being so abundant and similar.

>>716049515 (OP)
>rollslop
Heh, can you imagine unironically playing Devil May Cry? Pure attackslop.

>>716049737
>without actually ever improving it
they literally keep making it worse. Devs need to learn to SLOW SHIT DOWN. imagine if rolling cost half your stamina instead of like 5% of the bar, how much different the game would have to play.

>>716049515 (OP)
since sekiro 2 is never happening, my next hope would be another game that kind of changes up the combat formula while keeping the souls dna LIKE sekiro

>>716056490
>it being repetitive is a (you) issue, faggot.
kek. All the open world areas are limgrave recolored. All have the exact same shit in them, the catacombs, cave, erdtree boss, ruins, etc. Even the giants area is the exact same fucking thing because apparently giants lived in human sized places for some reason.
And the bosses and enemies you overrate so much would be great if the game didn't insist on having you fighting them over and over again. Even unique named bosses are randomly copy pasted for padding. It's fucking objective truth that the game is repetitive

>>716049737
>make games with incredible level design and exploration
Good level design =/= good exploration. Demon souls and Dark Souls 1 are functionally games where you go in a straight line with 4 or 5 selectable paths, there's not much to explore. In Elden Ring, you can actually go anywhere and explore and find things in massive open areas. Elden ring does still have good level design, but it's confined to castles and dungeons which is why you don't think about it having good level design even though it does. It probably has more to the levels due to the absolute massive scale of the castle's and how many dungeons there are.
>focus on the combat system without ever improving it
How have they been focusing on the combat system? They've added more weapons and spells, sure, but your moveset is basically the same as in DS1 short of jumping attacks. The biggest combat advancement was powerstancing in DS2 and that never fully came back. I'm always confused by DS1 dope heads who think that just because you can unlock 1 door, to go one other way to loop back around is the peak of level design.

>>716057096
It's run of the mill generic games that don't deserve praise that they're getting at all. They're exactly the games like annual FIFA and CoD yet those get no attention at all and for good reasons.

>>716057337
Goddamn, what a sad attempt. I almost feel bad for you.

>>716057812
Most oldheads that played souls at the beginning are the same retards that are buying souls now, many of them quit after DS2 was a PR disaster

>>716049515 (OP)
they fell into irrelevance with dark souls 2 and fundamented their deathbed with dark souls 3
bloodborne also has shown the same symptoms of rollslop but at least the setting was interesting and not just a rehash of le castles but EVIL
soulsslop should have ended with 1 or 1 should have been a life service game because it was unique and good at what it did

>>716049515 (OP)
She's not playing Ironeye very well. You should be able to have nearly 100% uptime using your mark skill to dodge through the boss because they turned the tracking way down on most attacks.

>>716049515 (OP)
pippa mogs all this bitches

>>716049515 (OP)
>hey, can I attack yet?
>no
>how about now?
>no
>can I get one little poke in?
>no
>you just finished three combos, you've got to need a rest right?
>sure
>poke, po-
>SYKE
>WHIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>what the fuck is wrong with you, let me get more than a hit in, this game is frustrating
>um, acshually sweaty, you're supposed to wear speshul poise break gear and memorise my choreography and understand my hidden substats to fight me the "intended" way, and if you don't do that you're not allowed to complain okay???
When I see these giant monster faggots spinning around like a beyblade my blood starts to boil. I want to beat these developers to the brink of death for their insolence.

>>716058192
bald lmao

>>716058057
>>716058192
Grown men posted these.

>>716058249
dont forget, missing a bunch of teeth. they all fell out as she was filling her vomit drawer.

>>716058192
Pippa is too busy talking about animals and crowdfunding scams to play video games

>>716055395
>every attack can be dodged by rolling at the right time with the only difference being direction (sometimes)
>this even includes AOE attacks
>you can even be stationary and simply phase through an attack
So at a basic level rolling is a brainless means of defense that reduces the amount of player thought in their actions. And it results in very button mashy gameplay where players just mash the roll button whenever something scary happens and most of the time they get through it without many issues.
But then, the developers start accounting for the problem of players being able to instantly go invincible for ~26 frames/just under half a second, at any time. So bosses get more aggressive, more spammy or flaily, and tankier all at once because now they have to be overtuned enough to kill a player that is invincible against almost all their attacks.

Nerfing the roll and once again pushing for blocking to be the main means of defense would be far superior as a development direction.
Because blocking has a stamina cost, locks the player in a position, and opens up the system for more elaboration on good mechanics like guard counters.

>>716058192
>Annoying tranny who’s hip to the internet ghettos memes and lore
No thanks ill stick to cute and funny

Dark Souls peaked at 1 and the subsequent games are total iterative slop. 1 has many problems but the following sequels never attempted to fix them nor made anything better. Fromsoft are incompetent and lazy devs who don't care about quality rather than pumping out endless dogshit for the masses.

>vtubers doing a baby voice

>>716049515 (OP)
they need to go back to slow and methodical or just drop rolls entirely like they did in sekiro

>>716055931
Sen's Fortress is mogged by any of the Hero's Graves in Elden Ring.
Hell, some of them like Azuria's Side Tomb are clever, that one mixes a teleporter puzzle with the devs making 2 almost exact copies of the same dungeon that you swap between unknowingly.

>>716058436
>babies doing a vtuber voice

>>716058313
I don't care what anyone says. ADP was good. If a player wants to be a rollfag, they should have to invest stats into it, just like greatshieldfags do. Keeping DS2's medium roll and removing ADP was a stupid idea.

>>716056334
>player input reads the bosses
>bosses can't input read the player

>>716058527
>Hell, some of them like Azuria's Side Tomb are clever, that one mixes a teleporter puzzle with the devs making 2 almost exact copies of the same dungeon that you swap between unknowingly.
This would be more clever if they didn't do this like 5 times.

>>716058574
>that one time some misguided adults tried to make their 7 year old a vtuber
thank god they cut that off quickly.

>>716058527
the chariots SUCK

>>716058703
That doesn't happen.
>>716058850
They are absolute bastards, for sure.

>>716058703
this. some of the small dungeons in Elden Ring are neat, but they get spammed so much they start to feel like chalice dungeons in bloodborne.

>>716058703
>This would be more clever if they didn't do this like 5 times.
this is probably the most compelling complaint about Elden ring. It has a lot of great levels and bosses, and then resuses all of them over and over again till your sick of it. Why did we need to fight Astel 2 times? Cut all of the fluff repeat bosses and dungeons and it's a 10/10.

>>716049737

>>716058527
The heroes graves suck ass. The only one that even get close are some of the dungeons in the dlc

>>716049515 (OP)
The last time they tried to do something different, they slapped Armored Core onto the Dark Souls formula. They're never getting out of that mindset.

>>716049908
Elden Ring barely has any level design, shut up, retard

>>716059009
Are you complaining about the level design of bossfights? Did you forget that Elden Ring has boss fights in dungeons and the overworld as well?

>>716059016
They're fun levels, but with how loot works in Elden Ring, only sometimes they're worth doing purely in a cost-benefit sense.
But that goes for any Souls game. Only a small % of stuff you get will ever be worth the price of admission. Sen's Fortress doesn't give anything useful for most builds.
The most generally valuable ones are Fringefolk and Sainted Hero's Tombs, the former for Big Brother Oleg, and the latter for the +1 damage resist talisman.

>>716049515 (OP)
whenever someone argues for delayed attacks they always mention that it punishes panic rolling

>>716059340
Which is basically arguing memorization is better than things you can react to.

>>716049515 (OP)

Just because these idiots do this though does not mean this sort of game play is optimal however.

>>716050703
Based contrarian

>>716059249
Those dungeon boss fights are either some of the most tamed enemies/normal mobs with a boss HP bar or overworld enemies that are shit to fight in dungeons, like the Tree Spirit or Meteor Beast. Either way, the dungeons still have the same box or circle layout.

>>716058527
>Copy pasted 3 times
>The only interaction you can have with the chariot is that you can ride it sometimes or cheese it with Margit's shackle and make the entire thing pointless
>Boring fucking linear dungeons with at most 1 sublevel
You're insanely retarded

>>716057346
>imagine if rolling cost half your stamina instead of like 5% of the bar
Its almost like ds3 killed the series or something

>>716049515 (OP)
>make games about stagnation and the intevitability of enthropy
>your studio stangates and goes to shit

>>716059618
Miyazaki did it again.

>>716059396
That's nice and all, but it clearly doesn't punish panic rolling as evidenced by OP's webm, where she panic rolls the entire time and doesn't get hit a single time. I always said that delayed attacks don't punish but instead encourage panic rolling. Because if you tried to roll based on reaction you'd be hit. But if you just mindlessly mash circle you're more likely to dodge.

>>716058192
>bent the knee to troons
nah. she is being left behind

>>716049515 (OP)
SotE is the limit of Fromsoft's current boss design. Bosses can't get faster. Bosses can't have longer combos. Bosses can't have more delayed attacks. Bosses can't have more screenwide clusterfuck AoEs. Bosses can't have more spergout moves. SotE is just not fun. Yes, I beat it with no co-op or anything like that, but I just found myself not enjoying it. Some of the bosses in vanilla ER push it to the point of just feeling like they're making things unfun on purpose, but SotE takes the cake.
They either need to slow down the bosses OR give the players full on action movesets. Right now too much combat is based around lmao greatshield poke or prebuffing to oblivion and cheesing the fight with too much damage but an ultimately slow and clunky moveset. Obviously Nightreign shows us what it is like when you put old bosses into an ER style of combat, so the player needs to slow down too if they wanna make the game slower.

>>716056313
Whatever you need to justify your obsession with something you hate, I guess.

>>716059514
>but you also fight those bosses in dungeons!
I accept your concession

>>716049515 (OP)
I love the Golden Girls

>>716049737
holy shit the replies to this post are depressing. videogames are DEAD

>>716056559
How is it animation reading when enemies can react from behind walls?

>>716058749
>7 year old
I thought she was 9yo

>>716049737

>>716049908
Level design in these games is worth nothing without good encounter design and environmental hazards.

>>716049515 (OP)
>zoomers think this is peak gameplay

>>716059526
>cheese the game instead of playing it honestly
"why is this unfun"

>>716056247
just because what they hope will happen will never happen doesn't mean they don't hope it will happen. they are delusional trannies, that's how they operate.

>>716059618
I hope the next ARMA is about boxing.

>>716054698
>good game
The only ones praising dark souls on its inception were fucking journos

>>716049515 (OP)
please just no more multiplayerslop

they can't do netcode and they can't do matchmaking and the combat is kinda janky for multiplayer anyway

just make real games

>>716059426
>it's not optimal
Obviously not, or they wouldn't be playing recluse. Everyone on ironeye is the best way to play the game. It's optimal after all, unlike this roll spamming mess.

>>716054782
lol no
It was a completely inorganic response to the growth of the term soulslop to help dissociate the growing sense of fatigue from its main culprit

>>716059983
QRD? She used to be based af, what happen?
Any other based vtubers stepped up to the plate?

I'm afraid of everdark libra

>>716061356
This
I can't think of a bigger industry plant and astroturffed campaign than Dark Souls.

>Elden Ring
>roll spam
You are, unironically, playing the game wrong. ER gives you so many options for how to engage, and if you default to roll spam (which doesnt' even work that well in ER) that is your fault for having zero imagination or ability to analyze the tools given to you.

>>716061810
The game defaults to rollslop when most options are poorly designed.

>>716056165
I know. I'm working on my gimmick here and there. I need to work out the maximum extraction of the incel dollar.

>>716049515 (OP)
lol your /vt/ranny thread failed, faggot.

>>716061731
I want to say gacha, but gacha is a case of genuine fucking braindamaged retards and an expert masterclass on psychology, addiction and conditioning/grooming
Please do take note of how many gachabrained individuals within your circles are third worlders, and start noticing

>>716061894
The game defaults to sword and board blocking strats. That's literally what ER's baseline is. People treat it like a rollspam game because they are unironic shitters who spammed i frame dodges in earlier games and think it will work in every Fromsoft game. ER is actually far easier if you DON'T rollspam. It's not just about doing sword and board, that's just the most basic option, ER gives you lots of variety in how to approach stuff. But mindless shitters who spam iframe rolls from DS games just think they can roll their way to victory without any strategy.

>>716049737
>>716049515 (OP)
>play a genre like a retard and always suck ass at it
>perpetually seethe at being so ass at every game in the genre
jesus fucking christ, can you lipdrooling niggers just play a different game already if you hate soulslikes so much

>>716057096
98% of the "Hate" comes from contrarians who are mad at something that is vaguely popular, and the remaining 2% are people who legitimately have Fromsoft-based mental illnesses and have histrionic emotional episodes whenever they see an IP that may have potentially had From's influence on it. Even if these games were utterly mediocre and not worthy of praise, none of it would justify the day-in, day-out year-round screaming and crying and shitting themselves about how every game they put out is the worst thing ever made and how they /will/ go into bankruptcy soon.

>>716057346
You are acting like you have to roll spam to beat Elden Ring, you don't. The fact you think roll spam is required is proof of your own inability to even consider other strategies for absolutely no rational reason.

>>716058049
>they fell into irrelevance with dark souls 2 and fundamented their deathbed with dark souls 3
ds3 sold many times more than ds1, and elden ring sold like 20 times more than both of those.

>>716061810
Yeah bro, just use the wiki to study their hidden stats and equip some lame parry gear that arbitrarily works/doesn't work on attacks from large enemies. Heh, maybe if you're being daring you can even use a SHIELD (I know, I know, crazy huh) but only if you have the right supplementary equipment to ensure that shields actually work instead of stunning you and eating all your stamina. Oh, and don't forget since you're actually getting hit you're going to want to look at your armour stats, yeah heh... as it happens most armours suck at defending against one or two types of attacks and bosses are kitted out to punish you for that, heheh but if you're a real soulspro you've already studied everything on the wiki beforehand so no worries right?

>>716062786
cringe bro. you're just admitting that it's simply too difficult for you to remember things.

>>716049737
>With each game move away from the level design and focus everything on the mediocre combat system without actually ever improving it

not true, they make small improvements each game, it's just incremental and clearly not as much of a focus as it should be

>can roll in any direction (were locked to cardinal directions only in DeS)
>plunge attack when falling
>power stancing moveset when dual wielding same weapon type
>weapon ability/"ash of war" added so melee has use for magic meter, probably the biggest change
>jump mapped to button press now, needed to dodge some attacks (not required that often)
>jump attacks can now be chained off of a jump instead of forward+r2

it's nothing crazy, but they do add like one new combat mechanic per game

>>716049515 (OP)
first person rollslop
rollslop shooters
roll time strategy
massively multiplayer online roll slopping game
roll slop auto
the elder slops 5 rollrim
tell tale presents the rolling slop

>>716059298
The difference is send fortress and dark souls as a whole benefit for being smaller games in scale. Being bloated is one of the biggest issues with Elden ring. Riding around on torrent isn’t fun and neither is exploring half the time.

>>716062956
Yeah, I'm definitely having a real hard time remembering things that you can't even see in game. Oh, Wankfurd the Masturbator's black glowing fog is supposed to indicate that his attacks do magic damage? Well shit, no wonder I was having a hard time, I switched over to the Gooner's set for the holy resistance after I discovered that Transcel the Incestor's glowing black flames were inflicting holy damage on me! Ah, truly I am a fool for playing the game without consulting the wiki first, it's a vital tool of the game that I must check frequently lest I gimp myself with these niche but totally viable gameplay styles*!
*if you have a doctorate in Souls Studies and majored in Elden Ringtism

>>716063505
trial and error is literally to difficult for your peabrain

>>716063606
Ah, of course, if only I read the memory states during my fights I would be able to see hidden stats and checks without consulting the wiki! Oh, how foolish could I be! Who needs things like visual tells, in-game hints, or reasonable game design when you can hook up cheat engine to log the game's memory instead!

>>716063845
keep shifting the goal posts maybe one day i'll be convinced that things i find easy are actually hard

>>716063942
Yeah, reading the wiki and theorycrafting your gay builds that no normal person would use is very easy.

>>716049515 (OP)
>not "roll" into irrelevancy
ONE
FUCKING
JOB

>>716063606
>trial and error
>Fromsoft games
You wish these games has trial and error

>>716049515 (OP)
back to the tower with you, holodrone

>>716064012
you're making things up in your head man, i don't do that. i just find this game intuitive and easy. the things you complain about as "bad design" are things that i, personally, am so good at they don't present me with any friction or difficulty. and now that you know that it's possible for someone to react to this popular game this way, and for someone to actually feel that they are good at it and that they like being good at it and playing it for fun, you're ashamed, because you realize you've spent all your time memorizing arguments against the popular thing instead of just getting good at it which would have unironically taken less time because of how simplistic the mechanics in fromsoft games are.

>>716049515 (OP)
I genuinely unsubscribed after she had to remove tummy from her intro. That bellybutton was my pride and joy and I can't bear to see it gone.

>>716061810
Rolling is still the easiest and safest option even when you can parry the boss or block. Parrying is just hard enough that the downsides of missing it aren’t worth it and most bosses to elemental chip damage or have long combos that sap your stamina and breaks your guard so blocking isn’t worth it either.

>>716049737
>Woah.... the elevator.... went back to the hub??? HOLY MOLEY!! MOM GET THE CAMERA. I GOT HECKIN CHILLS! THIS GAME CHANGED MY LIFE

>>716054782
When an enemy takes a swing you roll, when you heal you roll because the AI is programmed to unleash a storm of attacks at you, when the enemy attacks but isn't targetting you you roll because it's a two square miles AOE attack, when you roll you keep rolling because the easily avoidable attack the enemy telegraphed two weeks ago also has an after effect that instakill you and you better started rolling three weeks ago to barely get out of the way, when the enemy launches a hailstorm of magic missiles you better be ready to do an extra roll because while you can roll out of the way from 99% the final magic missile has enhanced targetting and will chase you for a few extra frames.

>nobody is impressed by your gameplay fromdrones, because the games are actually easy because the mechanics are simple
>you fromdrones are so blind, you can't see how the mechanics are so pointlessly complex that they make the game too esoterically difficult to be enjoyable

>>716061810
Shields have stat requirements, call for heavy investment in Endurance, and really want a Talisman slot.
All of that compared to just pressing the i-frame button for free.

>>716049515 (OP)
Game‘s great. Die mad.

>>716063606
Trial and error hasn’t been a thing since DS1

>>716063606
Trial and Error is a last resort for anyone that is smart.

these people are so bad at these games that they don't even realize the AI has the bosses retreat and attack less vigorously when they are close to poise break. you're so bad that there are entire defensive behavior loops you just know nothing of because you can't even operate at a high enough level for the game to display them to you.

>>716064713
>watching vtubers for the gameplay
They’re variety streamers for lonely men your sperging is miss directed buddy

>>716064917
i'm talking more about the people in this thread trying to convince others their personal skill issues are game design flaws

>>716062786
you do not need to read a wiki to know to use guard and stamina talismans
the fingerprint shield is wikishit but the dragonclaw shield is good enough in most cases and guaranteed

>>716064993
that one guy is sperging but you can’t deny that rolling is better than every other defensive option. Thus the term roll slop fits.

>>716049908
Yeah sure, when there's an actual level to explore, an not an empty field littered with glorified chalice dungeons

>Boss practices his Blazblue combo on you with animation cancels and DMC turbo mode built into his attacks
>Somehow this is okay and fun when rolling is the only option available to the player
What a shit game.

>>716065354
Unless you actually commit to the build, in which case you can become a walking wall, moving forward and laughing at bosses' pathetic attempts at attacking you.

>>716065354
the game isn't hard enough for suboptimality to be a meaningful, convincing counterargument to using any of the manifold strategies on offer

>>716049515 (OP)
They can try adding a story for once.

>>716065596
Yea niche builds aren’t the general experience though especially on your first play through.

>>716065606
stop trying to sound smart and speak English retard. Generally speaking the average player won’t use a min-maxed build when they do their one and only playthrough of the game. Either way like I said the risk vs reward for parrying in Elden ring vs rolling isn’t worth it.

>>716049737
Elden Ring has great level design.

>>716065354
why is rolling as a defensive mechanic in a game a bad thing? you niggers have yet to convince anyone.
complaining about rolling is just as smooth brained as calling Fromsoft games “artificial difficulty”.
the dumb shit you faggots conjure up to hate on the best developer in this industry is utterly bizarre, truly surreal.

btw I am playing them game right now and just killed Gaius using dry leaf arts and Bone bow. love this game

>>716063459
>Being bloated is one of the biggest issues with Elden ring
This. You could trim a good 30% off of Elden Ring and the game would be significantly improved.

>>716068550
well good thing for you that Elden Ring requires you to only compete about 20% of its total content in order to see the ending. hoe about that, neat huh?

>>716068393
>why is rolling as a defensive mechanic in a game a bad thing? you niggers have yet to convince anyone.
Because it's so fucking dominant, the amount of i-frames you get in souls games is absurd and makes positioning irrelevant majority of the time because you can quantum tunnel through a giant sword for a low stamina cost. Because of this dominance, the entire game design has to be built around it which leads to bullshit like Margit holding his sword, attack chains that take 1 calender month to finish and input reading.

>inb4 "oh ER doesn't input read
You're right, it reads the initial frame of animation which makes it effectively the same thing.

>>716068393
It’s because it’s the one and only option and it’s easily spammed. It wasn’t an issue in DS1 because that game is less focused around combat anyways. Now that bosses do dmc combos style the roll spam is worse than ever. The only variety in the game comes from builds but even that barely scratches the surface. The only weapon with branching combos/ combo expression is the milady in the dlc. Every other weapon has 1 light combo string, one combo string that’s just two chargeable heavy attacks and sometimes an ash of war that gives you a third combo that’s just flashy with no depth. Also the game isn’t even hard till the dlc I finished new game plus and the dlc last month so don’t strawman me. Also the hardest difficulty in any devil may cry/ninja garden game is 10x harder than Elden ring with 10x the combo variety so kill yourself faggot.

>>716068958
>my open world game is really good if you ignore half the open world and the content inside it!
This is not the own you think it is buddy

>>716069060
So what you’re saying is that rolling is not necessarily the issue, the issue is that in your view rolling in Elden Ring grants too many invulnerable frames?
so with that said, are you saying rolling in Elden Ring makes the game too easy?

>>716069523
its optional content. isnt it a good thing when a game has lots of optional content? wtf are you even complaining about then?

>PvP in every souls games make the rollbabies seeth because rollcatching meta often develop in mere week of release
>the next game is a PvPvE
can't wait to see the amount of seething generated by Duskblood

>>716049515 (OP)
Just make Sekiro 2. ParryKINO is not nearly at the level of overused that rollslop is yet. There's still a lot to experiment with in that genre.

>>716070219
>actually caring about PVP in a souls game

Is Nightrein only made up of reused assets from the base game?

>>716049908
And same dogshit gameplay for the past 15 years. Bosses get incredible movesets, while you still do the same shit since Demon's Souls. Fuckin FROM bootlickers are the god damn worst cunts on this board.

>>716070342
mostly but not "only"

>>716049515 (OP)
>Will they be able to innovate for their next game, or keep rehashing the same game and fall into irrelevancy?
They'll keep releaseing the same shit because they have a fanbase that defends this played out shit by simply saying "git gud" as if its some sort of gotcha faggotry, even when you're not even talking about the difficulty.

>>716070546
ayo why you slap me nigga
i ain't even talking about the game or nothin
sheeeeiiit

>>716070338
What do you expect when the fanbase wants the game to be pointlessly difficult so they can shit up threads when someone points out any flaw in the games

>>716049515 (OP)
How the fuck do people take this shit seriously when all you do is spam rolls to be completely invulnerable to everything the boss is doing?

>>716070546
>played out shit
there is no games like Fromsoft games and they get only better with each new release.
go play your chink unreal engine slop, you faggot.

>>716069949
Because instead of a tightly made gameplay experience they waste their time creating all this extra crap.

>>716049908
Never laughed so hard in my life, anon

>>716070914
but we just got AC6 not long ago and last year was SotE. both fantastic masterpieces. SotE has to be the greatest expansion for any game ever.

you don't have to roll through a single one of those attacks

that entire opening flurry you can literally just slightly sidestrafe. Nightreign also gives you literally like 5 different ways to deal with flurry enemies now

>>716071154
Different teams.
People like to blame fromsoft as a whole for what Miyazaki does.

>>716071254
>that entire opening flurry you can literally just slightly sidestrafe.
And how many hours of practice will that require? A few hundred?

>>716071254
this was her first time playing
this was someone who almost got filtered by moonlight butterfly in Dark Souls

>>716071268
oh so you liked AC6 and SotE. well cool that you at least liked the expansion. you’re not a total tasteless faggot after all.

>>716049737
All the people saying youre wrong don't even comprehend how much something as simple as crouch attacks and jump attacks ruined the level design outright. Expanded movesets killed level design

Remember Shrine of Storms? When you'd have to cross the sides of mountains, and the enemy placement was specifically tailored to go hand-in-hand with the level design? You only had 2 basic moves, if your moveset clipped laterally into the mountain, you'd be fucked and would have to actually have backup weapons for the sake of utility and not damage. In ER, every weapon can do anything. Your moveset, the enemies/their placement, and the level design were all cohesive to create a specific experience.

>>716071154
SoTE does the mini dungeons much better than base game I’ll give it that. Just because I’m critical of ER doesn’t mean I think it’s the worst game of all time. I just want From to innovate and do something different. If they want to go combat focused then actually go all in and be a true action game instead of the same dark souls style combat over and over again with a different coat of paint.

>>716071401
nigger, hold left slightly on the d-pad, it take two seconds you dumb fuck

>>716071783
so youre saying that Elden Ring is too easy?

>>716071863
If it's that easy, why didn't the lazy woman do this?

>>716049737
>without actually ever improving it
Wrong, retard

>>716070768
You don't get it. The fun part is when you stop rolling because you want to attack the boss after he's done with his 20 attacks string and it one shots you because he was just doing a fakeout before his 21st attack .

>>716070338
rollbaby spotted

>>716071783
>Remember Shrine of Storms?
No because it was a very unmemorable level

>>716071851
>innovate
fromsoft innovated plenty with its enemies attack patterns and animations in Elden Ring. the game being open world was also a big step from what their games usually are. Then just this year we got nightreign, literally a type of gameplay never done before.
hard to imagine how much more innovative you wish fromsoft to be.

>>716049515 (OP)
is this an elden ring thread or a fish pussy thread

>>716072139
But anon you don't understand, Fromsoft needs to have a Dark Souls tier game where they completely change the industry every two years or they aren't innovative or something

>>716072175
its just another discord trannies anti fromsoft brigade thread.

>>716071893
I'm saying the disconnect between level design and actual gameplay has never been more large

The old games didn't have boss checkpoints, the act of going back through a level was actively part of the boss experience. Elden Ring removes the backtracking in favor of making the bosses more difficult. Its not objectively easier or harder, its done differently, but in a way that actively removes what majorly defined the souls series in the first place. The series pushed farther into combat design but lost the cohesion between enemy variety and level design

>>716072107
absolute secondary spotted, every area in Demon's Souls is memorable. Thanks for admitting you fags have 0 idea what youre talking about

>>716072139
>open world
>big step from what their games usually are

>>716072309
so youre saying bosses are harder but not having to run back to bosses actually makes them easier but not really? sorry bro I a having a hard time understanding what your complaint is and I would imagine so would Fromsoft. not being cohesive with your thoughts is a signs that you yourself dont really believe in what youre trying to convey.

>>716049908
lmao anon, the amount of Dark Souls fans you got seething, nice work.

>>716049908
Elden Ring as a whole doesn't have better level design than Sen's Fortress.

>>716072264
Funny how seething about fromsoft overrides even seething about vtubers here.

>>716057346
You concerns are answered in DS2 it makes pvp actually enjoyable to play instead of rollspam chugfest.

>>716049737
>mediocre combat system
Kinoreign is unironically more fun than Trannyborne, let alone Dark Slop

>>716055206
The ER open world is kind of ass but the sote open world is significantly improved given how tricky it is to navigate.

>>716049515 (OP)
die vtroon

>>716049515 (OP)
Morgott is a good fight thoughever

>>716049515 (OP)
damn, the 3 of them as chibis look so cute.
>>716073109
kek, this

>>716049908
They hated him for he said the trvke

>>716059190
I'm sure the world designers just wrote: "lol lmao idk" and the whole thing spawned on screen. You fucking retard.

>>716049908
Yeah that's why you run past everything every time

>>716055931
I last longer inside your mom than Sens Fortress. Some retard came up with it somewhere and you are parroting it isnt it. It's a funny area, that's it. Eat shit and say hi to your mom for me.

>>716058527
That teleporter got me good. From is a master at trolling the player. It says a lot that we all enjoyed that back in Demon and Dark, but now we only hear people bitching about "muh sadistic design".

>>716049515 (OP)
Focusing so much on bosses ruined the game formula. If i wanted to play open world game i would just play skyrim.
No interesting encounters, boring open world, boring locations, at least 50% of playtime is just running around with horse, lore is literally unfinished open-ended mess(miyazaki literally confirms this), game progression is retarded unless you use guide if you actually want to have fun, retarded enemy scaling and hp bloat especially in late game areas, npc quest are somehow more janky and retarded than in DS1, huge item sorcery bloat making most of them boring or borderline unusable, basically no replayability unless you really like to waste your time making new build is pain because getting basic shit items for a build you have in mind can take literal hours even if you have perfect game knowledge
I could keep going on. Easily the worst entry in souls franchise. Huge time waster with not satisfying payout.
Most fun i had with this game was breaking DLC in coop mode with friend using miyrad of gltiches and exploits because i hated core gameplay so much i couldnt care less about the game.

>>716049737
This is what casuals want
they think this shit looks good and makes them hardcore players

>>716049515 (OP)
paperboat

>>716049737
Objectively the best level design to date was SotE. You can bitch that the rewards for exploring the levels are lacking but the topography itself is a materclass. Every. Single. Area is double layered if not triple layered. You are constantly in positions to peer downward towards explorable locations or crane your neck upwards in wonder of how to explore the areas above you. This is no one off cute elevator shortcut like DS, this is a much grander design.

>>716076683
>Objectively the best level design to date was SotE
Kill yourself
80% of sote are unfished/empty maps
All the legacy dungeons (2) are fucking horrible and soulless.

>>716076683
SotE was From's worst DLC. Like they really lost all momentum with that gay ass final boss, that made reviews go from 8/10 down to 5/10. The DLC was total wasted potential. It should've changed something in the base game or at least have something to do after killing the gayboys. Covenants could've made a comeback. Maybe do something with the NPCs besides just the epic gank fight.

>>716054698

I love Saba Dooby and Nimi

>>716051706
continue funding her swedish boyfriend's vacations cuckboy

>>716078657
god bless freedom of information act!

>>716078737
and lastly her swede bf streaming playing with her
https://m.twitch.tv/barbiese/videos

now say ACK chumbuds!

>>716072309
Legacy Dungeons in Elden Ring tend to be more mazelike than most previous Souls levels, so even when the game gives you a site of Grace it isn't as useful as before.
Somewhere like Leyndell has actually quite a few sites of grace in the lead up to Gold Godfrey, but getting there is itself circuitous and a navigation puzzle in a way that was uncommon in previous Souls games, that were largely linear within a given area.
Same goes for even Godrick, if you don't just try and rush the gate.
The most linear of the Legacy Dungeons is Raya Lucaria, but that one has a long boss runback, as a trade off.

>>716058275
Nightreign is fun

>>716078657
>>716078737
>>716078958
you sound mad

So tendies have finally realized that even nightreigns mogs their slop, huh?

>>716080015
>bringing up tendies out of nowhere

>>716071401
lol this dude can’t just move to the left or just fucking block attacks lol

>>716072139
Open world slop sucks I’d rather have the game be more like ds1. Interconnected world with thought put into the level design. Innovate on that instead of the shitty combat.

>>716049737
Unironically you can blame the pvp autists for this who think this slop is the peak of combat gameplay

>>716055395
it looks bad.
it isn't realistic.
it's very easy and becomes a crutch you can rely on without having to really improve at the game. i love these games but grow up.

>>716076683
It’s actually dogshit and mostly empty with copy and paste dragons every where. Not to mention the 2d map doesn’t help things. In DS1 you’d make the map in your brain so it wasn’t an issue.

>>716076683
you're correct, but it violated my headcanon so it's icky icky doo doo.

Guys I have a huge backlog but I kinda want to play Elden Ring again :(

>>716049908
Bitch ass Elden rings level where kust open fields.
Wtf are you yapping?

I find it funny that it's still a roll when everyone basically just uses it as a form of immunity to pass through enemy attacks.

I think SOTE is the closest From has gotten to ds1 level design, pcr and the storm lion thing (forgot its name), and rellana(?) were genuinely fucking awful to fight and the focus on most of the "difficulty" being in boss fights/minibosses compared to say, getting stuck in blight town or any ds1 area, makes me want to have nothing to do with whatever soulsbornering "medieval knight man rolls around in armor" games they put out in the future.

>>716049982
>Nigger pretends that open field and same catacomb number #894 are peak

Hmm i wonder why every game company becomes lazy and greedy.

>>716080608
In DS1 every corridor was actually new and exciting to see where it leads.
In ER i just go to an big open field and collect dirt for useless crafting shit i am not gonna use.

>>716049737
dark souls 2 was their game that focused on level design and strategies you even had environmental puzzles outside the boss rooms to make bosses easier. It filtered the normies and band wagoners and was panned on release so now we get what we get.

>>716052413
Sen's Fortress > Stormveil

And Sen's Fortress doesn't have huge empty fields on either side of it.

>>716074270
SotE's open world is genuinely awful, every area is as empty as Lost Izalith and they thought that the way to make up for it was just piling levels on top of each other for absolutely no reason. At least the verticality in DS1 made sense and had lots of interconnected paths.

>>716081357
>I think SOTE is the closest From has gotten to ds1 level design
I think SOTE was From mindlessly aping DS1 level design without any understanding of why DS1 level design was good.

I'm actually surprised that a thread obviously created to bait vtuber talk is mostly about the game.

>>716056490
>>716056490
>more compelling world building.
hahahaha

>>716082181
to play devil's advocate here, sen's fortress would be incredibly hard to top anon, you have to admit

>>716068393
>why is rolling as a defensive mechanic in a game a bad thing?
Rolling 10 times in a row looks retarded
Enemy designs which encourage the player to roll 10 times in a row make the player look retarded
Super fast roll recovery and low stamina costs which allow the player to roll 10 times in a row encourage enemy designs which prompt the player to roll 10 times in a row which leads to your gameplay looking retarded
Trying to make a game harder purely by making the timing of the roll button stricter while the player is rolling 10 times in a row is not an interesting way of creating a challenge

The cycle of making rolls better and cheaper, then making enemy attack animations more frequent and more misleading to compensate for the better and cheaper rolls, then making rolls better and cheaper again to compensate for the more frequent and more misleading animations needs to end

>>716049515 (OP)
This is exactly Space Marine 2 gameplay.
>spam roll backwards until corridor is filled with enemies
>parry one every 20 or so seconds
>repeat until 60 seconds pass
>throw my free grenade
>return to spamming roll
It took 2000 hours of gameplay to reach such peak form but I prestiged every class with that formula.

>>716082608
I like Stormveil a lot. The problem with Stormveil is that maybe 1/10 of the player's time in the game is spent in legacy dungeons, and far more of it is spent exploring massive open fields. DS1 is a far more streamlined experience, even with the dropoff in the last third or so of the game.

The problem isn't that From is dropping the ball in any one area compared to earlier releases, either, it's what seems like a general decline in almost all areas, from lore to enemy design to world design, and they're not innovating enough to make up for any of the shortcomings.

I will make a special carve out for AC6, I really liked that, but it wasn't Souls and it wasn't trying to be.

>>716071154
>SotE has to be the greatest expansion for any game ever.
how the fuck can anyone say this wtf. It's the same bullshit from the main game multiplied by 50

>>716049515 (OP)
They are a Japanese company and Miyazaki became president of it because of the success of such rollslop shitsauce "gameplay". They are 150% gonna continue the roll spam formula and not improve a fucking thing. Elden Ring is quite literally just modded dark souls 3 + horse mod. They're not changing anything. The japanese HATE change and new things, they are a nation of autistic fucking retards. If the rollspam thing works, they WILL keep doing it for the next 30+ years even after miyazaki retires. Once one of their roll games sells badly, then they will begin the bureaucratic process where they will MAYBE change it up in the next 5 years after that. Maybe, probably not. You fuckers underestimate just how much of this has to do with japanese culture loving copy/paste processes and practices.

>quit Hololive because you're sick of how they do things
>proceed to redebut with similar designs to what you had and do the same things with the same people
>except this time you don't get paid for playing Elden Ring

>>716083783
Except this time you get 100% of the superchats*

>>716083732
and thats different from Us company how? How many marvel movies did they make? How many AC games?

>turning the best part of souls (early progression and buildmaking) into a replayable loop
actually they're fucking geniuses

>>716083832
*70%
Lolyoutubecut
But yeah that's the real motivation

>>716049515 (OP)
The honest truth is that we've hit the peak of what a lock-on melee system can do. It allows for fast gameplay because the player isn't thinking about positioning the same way a non lock-on melee game would make you think about. We've had over 10+ years of souls influence on the genre and there's not much more new ground to break on it.

The solution is to slow things down and explore the non lock-on action games we left behind in the 2000's like Oni. The problem is very few people have actually played those games.

>>716049737
They did not move away from level design, if anything the actual dungeons in ER are the best they've ever done and exploring them is easily the highlight of the game (while the boss fights have been going down the drain)

>>716049515 (OP)
I love these newfag streamers playing ER for the first time in 2025 to show what the gameplay looks like at any point before you've got like 30 hours of practice into every individual boss kek. Elden Ring is such a joke
>Yo what if we programmed the bosses to need shmup levels of autistic practice to beat without relying on braindead cheese strats
>Oh and then make the game 100 hours long instead of 1 hour long like an actual shmup is
What a fucking annoying gameplay formhla. Nightreign really exposing the cracks in the system when you gotta fight bosses like Morgott with RNG gear.

>>716049737
can't forgive them for catering to the coop crowd while gimping pvp with every iterations since dark souls 2.

GAPED

>>716084097
exploring isn't just sight seeing. It's fitting in the world and being immersed. Sure you explore few legacy dungeons but theres nothing to find. You go from point a to point b attackingg in the same way for 100 hours. No broader context. Chances are, whatever you find is weaker or worse than your starting weapon.They somehow made loot a filler content..

>>716084067
>It allows for fast gameplay because the player isn't thinking about positioning the same way a non lock-on melee game would make you think about
lock on has nothing to do with positioning and souls is not a "lock-on melee game"

>>716084415
It's not "sight seeing", the fun in ER dungeons is the level traversal itself. The enemy encounters, the traps, hidden paths, all of that is at its best in ER's legacy dungeons.

Sekiro > 3 > 2 > BB > ER > 1 > DeS

>>716084497
traversing is the worse part. its literally the road block cause the only reward is the boss you have to fight. What puzzles? What traps? It just rooms after room after room and hallways of enemies attacking you with a sword. Perhaps if there were like 10 unique long dungeons instead of 200 hours of copy pasted crap, maybe I would find traversing more compelling

>>716061997
You won't make a penny posting here faggot.

>>716049515 (OP)
That ONE (1) throwing knife to keep his poise from decaying is the cherry on top
>Dude just throw knives bro

>>716058208
>When I see these giant monster faggots spinning around like a beyblade my blood starts to boil. I want to beat these developers to the brink of death for their insolence.
based
>>716061536
my new oshi types the niggerword on the bird site instead of pandering to trannies who hate her
no, I will not share

wow those are some boring tuber designs

>>716049515 (OP)
The three failures who are desperately trying to milk their fans while milking their husbands

>>716059541
DS3 killed itself.

>>716078657
>>716078737
>>716078958
Yikes, feels bad for all those members of hers that proudly proclaim they've been a member since day 1, despite her lack of streams

>>716089349
don't post that pic again pal
this is a threat

>>716078657
>>716078737
holy kek, Imagine being a public person, having schizos coming to your house just because they saw you online

>>716091357
imagine having sex lol oh wait you never could!! hahaha

>>716089349
This happens in every game they make.
In Elden Ring, Hoarah Loux was originally the name of Goldmask. Radagon originally was the father of the Misbegotten Race and had a huge role in the setting beyond just being an end boss. The Putrescent Knight was an asset made for the Gloam Eyed Queen. The Mimic Tear wasn't just a gimmick fight but had an entire questline attached to them. Malenia was going to be interactable and a befriendable NPC. Marika was somehow the mother of the Nox people, as well.

Every FromSoft game is rewritten like 1 month before it's release date and every detail is spun up and mixed around because of that.

>>716058971
>Why did we need to fight Astel 2 times?
To show that it's not a unique creature.

>>716091934
What's crazy is that fromcattle still think the games are super deep purposeful mysteries that they need to watch 100 hours of loretuber drivel to unravel when the simple truth is that most of it doesn't mean anything

>>716049515 (OP)
people like dance dance dark souls so they will stick to this formula

>>716059298
And the Gelmir Hero Tomb for the Deathroot.

>cringelord trying to advertise his vtuber in a thinly veiled thread
Embarrassing, just drop another dono bomb with your dad's credit card faggot OP.

>>716091608
what the fuck?

>>716092728
que maldito my bitch? kkkkkk

>>716089349
>It came to me in a dream
Gundyr's armor is said to be inspired by an old king because he looks like Doran d
from DeS.

>>716070367
It's a grimdark medieval game, why would you get crazy movesets? This isn't some gay ass Capcom game for 13-year old edgelords.

>>716089349
>It came to me in a dream
Gundyr's armor is said to be inspired by an old king because he looks like Doran from DeS.

>>716093145
>>716093417
fail LMFAO

>>716091934
yeah but it's still super sad with DS3 because it had potential, heck, they even were experimenting with the idea of changing the bonfire mechanic, letting you make your own ones wherever you wanted in the map
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zziY68RdKK4
they instead rushed development and it became the most sloppy dark souls, no originality at all, just fromslop over a corridor and it then suddenly ends in a disappointing final boss

>>716093398
>why would you get crazy movesets?
because the bosses literally do?
did you seen lorian and lothrick? they literally teleport
not him but you are missing his point really hard

>>716057330
>>716057842
Those games are bad, though, and Souls is the only good video game series in the past 20 years. Not exactly a reasonable comparison.

Also, the games are different. It's not like a sports game where the only thing that changes is team rosters. The games all look different and have different locations, stories, enemies, etc. No one shit on video game sequels in the 80s and 90s for being "the same game." Why wouldn't they be extremely similar? Why would you make the game you want, have it be successful, and then go make some other random garbage instead? That's retarded. You're just butthurt they aren't catering to your (bad) tastes. There isn't a single /v/irgin who sees NRS is making another gory fighting game and going, "Ugh, AGAIN? Can't they make something else for a change?" It's literally only From that gets this treatment.

>>716049908
Correct. World design isn't level design, so you would have to be a retard to argue against this.
Stormveil, Farum Azula and the Haligtree mogs everything in Dark Souls

>>716093773
The bosses are giant monsters and demigods. I'm a dude. The whole point of Souls games is to avoid enemy attack patterns and then retaliate. It's not to flip around like a ninja and have the game yell "SICK NASTY COMBO!" at me. That's for low IQ people, like Capcom fans.

>>716093704
>no originality at all
Why?
>corridor
the game progress may be more linear but the eareas are significantly more intricate and interconnected on the inside compared to the previous games.
>suddenly ends in a disappointing final boss
Soul of Cinder is amazing

>>716049908
>elden ring has better level design than dark souls
LOL, most of Fromsoft's level design since DS3 are like Lego plate cells randomly put together. Ever notice how there are stairs everywhere that have no meaning of being there, only to trick your mind that what you're seeing is level design.

>>716093398
Because some items give you them, like Vykes War Spear or the Dragon Cragblade, among others.
Why are you pretending there is any grounding to these games?

>>716094030
You stop being a dude by the time you kill Godrick/Rennala/Radahn/whatever your first boss is.

>>716049908
>elden ring has better level design than dark souls.

>>716089349
The info of this is bullshit. Giants are archtrees, which is why the phrase "Only a storm can fell a greatwood" is placed next to him. If you don't believe me, just look at the archtree growing from the giant's coffin in Iudex Gundyr's arena.

>>716056334
this

>>716094030
>i'm a dude
I mean, you are trying to take fromsoft excuses as the basis of your reasoning, which is lame, if they changed the lore a bit you wouldn't be just a dude
...well actually, no, not even using the fromsoftware reasoning it makes sense, sine in dark souls games you are not "just a dude", as you say, you literally farm so many souls at the end of the game that you are capable of defeating gwynn and linking the first flame. So no, you are not just a dude, you are also some kind of demigod, at least at the end of eahc game when you are very strong.
Also it's funny that you say "It's not to flip around like a ninja" since in the first game you literally would backflip like a ninja (and Soul of Cinder and do that as a reference to the first game). But it's not like someone who started with DS3 would know that.
>>716094046
>Why?
Where's the originality in DS3 design? I don't see it. Could you name an example of any original game mechanic?
>the eareas are significantly more intricate and interconnected on the inside compared to the previous games
Interconnected? Not at all. The interconnectivity of DS1 puts almost any other game to sleep.
Also, some areas may be slightly more open, like, uuhhhh that swamp and the starting area in the AoA DLC, but, first, that's not necessarily good level design, second, these are exceptions, and third, bro, the ringed city is literally a hallway.

>>716049908
braindead

Beautiful vistas and views to see the world are nice and all, but they very rarely translates to good level design, especially with how much corner cutting had gone on in Elden Ring to make the open world have things in it. Even Dark Souls 3 half-asses it with really striking vistas, but holy fuck the actual levels are pains in the ass to sift through even on a blind playthrough.

>>716068393
>why is rolling as a defensive mechanic in a game a bad thing?
in bloodborne it was ok but how an you even roll in full armor???? let alone roll 3298672348967 times in a row
also, mehanially, it just suks, it's literally just a panic button

>>716070802
the irony of this post FUCKIN LEL

>>716094214
Oh, so the game DOES have the thing you're complaining it doesn't have.

>>716094772
Gwynn and Cinder fight mostly the same as the player does, so those aren't good comparisons. The point is flipping around like a ninja is gay, it is not fun. If you want to do it so badly, play whatever garbage Capcom put out recently. Didn't they just make a new Monster Hunter? Go play that for your "good combat," homo.

>>716095449
>"doing backflips like a ninja is gay, if you want that go play something like capcom's"
>completely ignoring the fact that you, the player, could do that in dark souls 1
Also your constant obsession about Capcom despite no one mentioning it shows that you suffer from autism.

>>716095449
>magic, summoning and weapon skills where i pull shit from midair is fine
>but ONLY if fromsoftware does it
Someone is losing fuck ground, KEK. Regardless, why are you such a faggot about Capcom games? Like, bro, just don't play it lmao

>>716089349
ok I read about those cuts but how do they not being part of the game make the game worse or "killed itself" ?

>>716095449
mechanically speaking, yeah, it would be cool to unlock special abilities after leveling up, like skyrim's perks or like nioh combo system
lore wise, it's also not out of the question, since according to the DS lore you get superhuman levels of power after consuming souls in a bonfire, to the point where you are powrful enough to link the first flame
soooo.... I think you are just defending fromsowftware being lazy and nothing else

/vt/gods win again

>>716096160
see >>716093704

>>716094772
>Could you name an example of any original game mechanic?
Weapon Arts, Stance break with riposte
>Interconnected?
High Wall, Undead Settlement, Carthus, Demon Ruins and Dreg Heap all have multiple progression progression paths.
Farron Keep, Ash Lake, Consumed King's Garden, Ariandel, the Earthen Peak Ruins and the big swamp in Ringed City have wide explorable areas where one can find useful stuff in every corner.
All areas loop back onto themselves multiple times, especially places like the Cathedral of the Deep, Irithyll city and dungeon, Lothric Castle and the Grand Archives.

>>716049515 (OP)
Fool's Idol is unironically more fun than this.

>>716096304
interconnectivity becomes irelevant the moment you include teleporting. It ruined everything.

>>716096304
>original game mechanic
>Weapon Arts
If that's all you got then DS3 is cooked.

>>716096204
>you get superhuman levels of power
Which translate in your ability to use extremely stat demanding equipment and spells with ease.

>>716096501
but could easily include other things as well like the ones I mentioned or just the things the bosses do

I don't get why normalfags attached themselves to shitty shovelware games that offer no story, good graphics, nor interesting gameplay but then I remembered sports games like FIFA exists. Even CoD and Asscreed look like they have more effort put into them each release than the typical Fromslop rehash.

>finally hear about a cool location
>SORRY CHUD YOU HAVE TO REACH STEP 15 IN ZANZIBART'S QUESTLINE TO GO TO THIS LOCATION
yep that's an uninstall. fuck moonlight altar. fuck mohgwyn palace. fuck all the npc quest gated slop.

>>716049908
Elden ring has a bunch of empty space
You call that level design?

>saba's loving dk bananza so far
Snoysissies...

>>716097434
Elden Ring is the worst (or best) example of quantity over quality in a video game. 90% of the game is shit and the open world adds nothing to the gameplay aspect.

>>716049908
Good bait

>>716098237
Fromsoft's entire philosophy stems from that. Rather than giving a good experience, they shit out equally shit games from the last.

>>716049737
This really triggered the nigger brownie zoom zooms who started with slopen ring

>>716096235
>acting like you "won" when 99% of the thread is talking about fromsoft games instead of vtumors

>>716076336
The most fun I ever had with ER was just looking up whatever the OP weapons were then doing runs with them
Blasphemous is so insanely better than practically all greatswords I have no idea how they haven't nerfed it into total irrelevancy yet. Or RoB with bleed katanas.
Hell, even going for a pure mage lets you break this game over your knee, bosses really have no idea what to do when they have to fight anything more than just you at once.

>>716049515 (OP)
For me it's Ninomae Ina'nis

>>716049515 (OP)
after elden ring i think i'm finally tired of rolling…

>>716102091
Really ruined the fun of the games, honestly. Like, it just becomes obnoxious around 1/4th of the way through the game.

i want sex..

>>716049908
These are the kinds of retarded faggots that comprise le "gaming community". Parryslop 33 GOTY win incoming soon thanks to these apes.

>aliens come to our planet
>we do an exchange of cultural goods
>one of them is "the best game each civilization has invented"
>whoever's in charge of our side picks Elden Ring
What would they think?

>>716049908
Unironically I agree with this, even with my nostalgia goggles on. As much as I love the interconnected world of Dark Souls, Elden Ring dungeons are better and finding Siofra River was one of the greatest feelings I've felt playing a game since probably playing Dark Souls.

Even if ER had better "traditional dungeons" than Dark Souls (it doesn't, because of the new systems making everything other than the boss useless) it still would fail because these levels can only have so much meaning in the context of the Dark Souls 1 world, not the shitty ER open world where you zoom in from dungeon to dungeon.

So does /v/ like vtubers now? /v/tubers?

>>716068112
Are you serious or...

>>716107273
>now

>>716049908
>DS1 glazers still mistake between level design and world design
good job anon you made a bunch of retards mad

>>716049515 (OP)
>Will they be able to innovate for their next game?
No, they will double triple quadruple down on the "press the magical iframe button" combat gameplay because unfortunately that's what 90% of the fanbase likes. It has been like this for years.

>>716049515 (OP)
Elden Ring sold like a fucktillion units. No major shake-ups is guaranteed.

curbstomp a /vt/ranny

>>716054867
Exactly 40. Morgott in comparison attacked 22 times. He's a boss that has attack chains that trigger via proximity, so if you constantly get close and then far away from him he'll just keep attacking endlessly.

>>716056334
>input reading

literal basedstache redditor complaint

>>716065562
You can parry Morgott. And deflect his attacks.

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>>716109482
>I hate when the game reacts to me pressing buttons

they should be gatekept from breathing really

>>716049515 (OP)
Rollslop ruined the action genre beyond repair, I just wanna go back

>>716049515 (OP)
i legit cant tell if this is sped up

>>716049515 (OP)
>keep rehashing the same game and fall into irrelevancy

>>716069949
The point is that the only other optional content that you could skip in the history of soul sloppa was the chalice dungeons, now we have the chalice dungeons x100 with even more boring open world activities.
If this shit can be skipped, why even put it in the game?

all they have to do is make rolling use up way more stamina so that you only need it when you absolutely have to. problem solved. hire me you dumb chinks.

>>716107273
>now

>>716049515 (OP)
>Sped up
>Dogshit playing
>Vtubers just for ragebait (love to saba doob and nimi)

Opening up /v/ and seeing threads like this never ceases to make me smile knowing that one company has caused rectal bleeding of this caliber. To the point where you still have to punch-up some random fucking webm to try and make some stupid ass point.

If I go through this thread and I see the fucking Dark Souls 3 webm of the first boss that someone hacked to be 3000% faster I'm gonna really laugh.

>>716106653
you clapped when you went down an elevator and saw a large, empty field of nothing?

>>716108921
even him/her?

>>716049908
>DS drones malding in the replies
kek