*SCREEEEEEEEE*

>>716055276 (OP)
Get heal stunned idiot

>>716055276 (OP)
>japdevs think this is fun

Maybe some day they'll release something other than Dark Souls + Gimmick. I probably won't play that one either, but then I'd feel less inclined to tell you cattle how boring they all are

>>716055582
Not everyone has the Faith to cast it.

>>716055890
I'm a nightreign Revvy main

>>716055890
Unless you start as a prisoner you can equip a faith talisman from base faith and cast it.

>>716055710
shazam lost

>>716055276 (OP)
>Healing doesnt damage TWLID
Lorefags? Help?

>uuhhhmm you didn't go down the random path in the academy and find the hidden merchant there and buy his note on revenants that tells you about heal as their weakness????
kill all guide users

>>716055710
>Maybe some day they'll release something other than Dark Souls + Gimmick
they did

What were they thinking with this enemy?

>>716056604
>games started having heal spells affect undead negatively since the turnbased days of final fantasy
>if you tried heal on them you read a guide
Your just a retard. The undead bell fuckers die to heal as well.

*WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM WHAM*
GET FROSTBITE GET FROSTBITE GET FROSTBITE GET FROSTBITE

>>716055890
Then just roll sideways

>>716056693
They were thinking they needed an enemy that's actually fucking threatening and can knock you off of Torrent. Also they were likely thinking that it would teach people that panic rolling backwards is generally a bad option in combat because the enemy is designed to rape you for doing it.

>>716055276 (OP)
SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>716056693
>Let's see if these retards can run sideways
And turns out you retards can't

>>716056693
They were thinking you probably already have a spammable ash of war at that point and a bunch of bombs you can craft.

>>716055276 (OP)
Eh, these fags annoy me much more

>>716056314
Skeletons are primarily summoned creatures, not undead. Those who live in death are not undead. It says right in their name that they live. Only revenants and wraiths are true undead.

>>716055582
t. guide user

>>716055276 (OP)
I fucking hate these things and how they basically require you to get Faith to 12 just to deal with them.
Marika's Soreseal is at the end of the fucking game, so it isn't even a solution. The Scarseal only gives you a few points, so it isn't a solution for anyone with low Faith in the first place.

>>716057627
>teleports and spits hydrofluric acid all over you
Nothing Personell, kid....

>>716056876
The issue here is that most 'undead' things don't have that happen.
The skeletons don't get killed by healing, but are harmed by Holy.
Revenants tank Holy damage, but are killed by healing.
This is despite Revenants using Deathblight colors for their particle effects and being summoned by the Tibia Mariner in the DLC. Showing that they're supposedly linked together.

>>716056693
The Grafted Scions weren't annoying enough as a bundle of a dozen legs, so they decided to make another one that is even worse.

>>716055276 (OP)
Just encountered him for the first time today. Dude was obnoxious, but only because he's surrounded by crawling faggots taking potshots at you from the distance.

*tink tink* *ahem*
BLERGH PLAP PLAP BLAH BLERGH PLAP PLAP BLUR BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH BLAH PLAP PLAP BLERGH BLUR BLEEO BLERGH PLAP PLAP BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR PLAP PLAP BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLEEO PLAP PLAP BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR PLAP PLAP BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR PLAP PLAP BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR PLAP PLAP BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLURGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH PLAP PLAP BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLURGH PLAP PLAP BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH PLAP PLAP BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLEEO BLERGH BLAH BLERGH BLUR BLERGH BLAH BLERGH

>>716055276 (OP)
I'm just gonna heal hahah
I'm just not even going to try to fight it
I'm sorry haha
it's just easier to heal him to death

>>716056604
>uuhhhmm you didn't go down the random path in the academy and find the hidden merchant there and buy his note on revenants that tells you about heal as their weakness
I literally did this but never bothered to use this knowledge because I had figured them out by then.

I play these games blind on my first playthrough and only open a wiki at the end to see what I missed. Of course I missed a lot of questline steps because Fromsoft but in terms of items and places I was extremely thorough.

>>716060984
I agree
and this is just a general carelessness with the overall systems in the game
the game would be so much more fun with consistent and discoverable mechanics that we could exploit and combine
I know there are already a lot of interesting mechanics we can do that with, but it could be better, that's all; I'm especially not a fan of having to read a fucking wiki every time I need to decide what weapons to use against a boss when I get tired of hitting my head against a wall, for instance
until then, it's just so much easier to level up health and strength and bonk everything in the head with a giant sword

>>716055276 (OP)
*blocks you're path*

>>716064698
lmao, i don't watch souls challenge garbage, but you know what, i'd watch somebody play a mod that makes every area filled with bloodrot and those enemies, that sounds kino

>>716064698
The hands aren't too bad one-on-one. Just gotta bait them into slamming on the ground, then slap them a few times.

>>716064618
I imagine that Revenants weren't actually connected to the Skeletons at all until way later in development.
Because they don't appear anywhere close to the Skeletons or Godwyn anywhere in the base game. And the particle effects are arbitrary.
There's a reverse of this with the Misbeggotten, that used to be connected to Radagon, but then had that cut out later on. Its why that one in the Snowfields has the golden sword.

So they had the Revenant enemy around, a fucked up corpse zombie, and then just stapled it to the 'Those Who Live in Death' faction in a really sloppy way that leads to two parts of the faction having completely different interactions.
The Wormfaces are similar. They tank Holy damage, use Deathblight, but then also have no connection to Godwyn or the Skeletons in the base game.
These games seemingly are always totally overhauled like 1 month before release and everything gets shuffled around like crazy.

>>716064698
Rune Bears, Revenants, Dragons - I shan't.
I've wanted to do a Faith build, but I know it will mean I have to git gud at killing dragons and I just don't want to fucking do it, man.

>>716064698
Ah, runic bear, the penultimate horror.

>>716064618
>I'm especially not a fan of having to read a fucking wiki every time I need to decide what weapons to use against a boss
I'm on my first playthrough and I've been fucking everything up with just a sacred katana, a brass shield, and a shortbow. Maybe the occasional fire pot. Is there anything in the game I can't beat with this combo?

>>716066371
>sacred katana
Most bosses and tough enemies have heavy Holy resist as the game goes on. If you can jump to a different type of bonus damage, I'd recommend it.
The Brass Shield is the best early game shield, so good move there.
Throwing knives are also great to cheaply stock up on for a Katana build, because tossing one every few seconds during a lull in the fight prevents a boss from resetting its poise.

>>716066305
Dragons you can actually exploit a bit if you stay close to the head because they will often spam stomp attacks.

>>716055276 (OP)
>gets behind environmental object
>casts magic downpour
Kek get fucked

Finally, I might be able to get laid!

I couldn't believe it when I learned that these things are weak to healing spells

>>716064698
half of these get completely raped by simply holding your shield up and guard countering
too bad ds3 convinced everyone that rolling is the only way

>>716067714
These things always look so fucking cheap

What kind of manchild could possibly want such a thing?

>Running away on your pony?
>Don't think so faggot

>>716066064
you can also stun them with fire damage

>>716070601
How do you these guys?

>>716055276 (OP)
why is he so low poly

I love these guys so much. Learning their moveset and dancing around them effortlessly was so satisfying

>>716070601
please how do fight these faggots?

>>716071559
I just bait them into slamming the ground and getting their claw stuck, then circling around them slashing at their ass until they face me again to rinse and repeat or they keel over.

I must be a stupid fucking faggot because dragons and bears are the only things I found fun to fight
Except the snow bears, fuck them

>>716073375
what for
they don't drop anything

>>716071559
Just smack them real good with something heavy and bait the pincer smash

>tfw you will never be grafted
why live?

>>716072147
Same. I was so fucking happy to see Devonia in the dlc. Extra Crucible Knight stuff is always a pleasure. They gotta be the best rendition of red eye knight/black knight archetype yet.

>>716072147
This guy gave me the toughest time out of anybody I fought. Once I started to memorize his patterns to dodge roll through most of his attacks, I felt far less cheated with every subsequent death. He still got me occasionally with the earth shatter move or that damn tail attack, but eventually I kicked his ass. I'm just glad the evergaol is in a very convenient place to just collect your runes and refight right away.
Fought Godrick shortly after and he went down like a sack of potatoes in comparison.

>>716073851

>>716073375
Positioning right next their legs is usually safe

>>716072147
>Learning their moveset
lol, lmao
just cheese nigga
imagine wasting time learning moveset of enemy that you will see once in 100 hours

>>716055276 (OP)
There were way too many of these retards and not enough of these dudes tbqh

ANOTHER enemy with endless unreactable attacks

>>716064698
I FUCKING HATE YOU AND HOPE YOU DIE

>>716064698
The hands were fine for me because I was playing a FTH Desert Sorceress cosplay with fire incants anyway.

>>716064102
the noises these things make are almost identical to a retarded kid that went to my middle school
give how fucked up he was I imagine he's dead by now, it's been almost 15 years

>>716055276 (OP)
I did not care for Elden Ring.

>>716073660
I need them out of the way so I can grab Mohg's shackle. I can't fight him without it and move on to the DLC. No summon signs are showing up for the boss fight either.

>>716055276 (OP)
Play more games and see what true terror looks like.

>>716072147
His fight felt very similar to the Kingdom Hearts Data bosses.

>>716064698
Miriam is the best NPC fight in the series.

>>716072147
Elden Ring peaked at this first evergaol and the underworld elevator. Dude is the most fun enemy to fight

arent they weak to fire as well?

>>716055276 (OP)
These are the absolute worst to encounter if you are doing a low level run, or you have no faith.

>>716072147
As a skinny magefag these guys are actually the devil.
They're so tanky that even Ambush Shard, the game's included shield counter, does nothing.
I almost always deal with them by sniping from a distance with Loretta's bow spell. And if I can't do that, I just give up and accept that whatever they're guarding is not for me.

The spear guys I can handle.

>>716066305
>>716066318
I never understood the runebear seethe, you just hug his dick and don't R1 spam so you can predict the charge windup, this is "Big Dark Souls enemy" fucking 101

>>716059670
>strong enemy ahead, but try healing

Stop playing nightreign and come back to the base game so I can summon your asses for this fight I'm stuck on. Fuck you if you shit talk me.

>>716075721
carian retaliation + magic misericorde

>>716075739
They are almost always the tankiest mobs in any area and they drop fuck all for Runes, despite their name.
And they can pull that grab out of their ass at any time and basically just rape you.

>>716075721
The meme that INT is ez mode and that STR is hard mode has never been more untrue. You have Gutsfags acting like they're hot shit for trading charged R2s and Lion's Claw while only having 3 stats to level. Mages have many different powerful spells but require actual positioning and different ways of engaging enemies

>Behold, dog!
>Praise the dog!
>Dog ahead

>>716075935
>And they can pull that grab out of their ass at any time and basically just rape you.
Thats why you don't mindlessly R1 spam and only attack underneath it while it whiffs you. The tell is extremely obvious, it just comes out quickly and its literally the only difficult move it has.

Its not hard to stop pressing R1 and actually react to the enemy

>>716076149
They're also way easier with Strength weapons than Dexterity or Int/Faith attacks.
The entire point is breaking their stance for the crit.

>>716076127
Calling turtles dogs is the dumbest shit ever. I don't know how it started. I don't know why anybody thinks it's amusing. But it needs to stop.
>durr you just wouldn't get it
There is literally nothing to get.

>>716055276 (OP)
*lifts big plank of wood in front of monstrous thing*
*hits monstrous thing with big plank of wood when it's attack bounces off*
*sleeps behind big plank of wood while monstrous thing has a rage fit*

Anyone else remap their attack keys? I have light attack set to X, heavy attack set to Y, and dodge roll set to A, while my interact button is R2 and item button is R1. Left handed actions are the same.

>>716064698
>Miriam in the background
KEK

>>716076505
It's because there is no turtle option in the message menu and dogs are the closest thing since they're both pets. If they had a turtle option, it never would have happened.

>>716055276 (OP)
Is that Zanzibart?

>>716076505
it's funny, and you sound like an obnoxious nofun faggot

>>716066610
Does any boss actually absorb Holy? If not, I'll probably just stick with it for aesthetic purposes. Even those Erdtree guys go down fairly quickly after I get my sword glowing, despite resisting roughly half of it.

>>716076749
Yeah, ever since DS1 I keep a similar setup for all souls/elden ring/sekiro games.
lmb light righthand attack, rmb heavy righthand attack
shift light lefthand attack, alt heavy lefthand(ash)
space for dodge, f for jump.
I don't remember what else is different. Nightreign made me make some new adjustments, too, now that you need a separate heal/item button and got the surge spring as well as the skill and art buttons.

>>716076127
>start dlc
>explore ravine
>see "praise the dog!" message 10 times by a waterfall
>turns out to be the one of the most useful talismans in the game

>>716055276 (OP)
How did Marika ascend to godhood? weren't her people subhumans to the hornsent who used to treat them like shit and stuff them in jars? how did she arrive to their holiest of places, use their gate and dab on them?

>>716076821
What the fuck? I never noticed that.
Aren't they all called tortoises in the game anyway? is there not a tortoise option in the messages? I actually never realized this.
>>716077130
Kiss my ass.

>>716077393
there's a few places where hornset say marika "betrayed" them, which people take to mean marika herself was somehow elevated in their society above being jar-soup
its never explained why or how this occurs but there are a few spots in the game where its clear the shamans were not just KOS for the hornsent so it does seem rather intentional

>>716077393
Combining bodies together basically spontaneously gets someone closer to divinity in this setting. Rykard being filled with 1000 corpses isn't just about him eating people, but combining that many bodies together makes the controller more godly on its own. The same stuff happens with the Godskins wearing the skins of dozens of people. Or Godrick's grafting.
The Hornsent Jars are another example of this. They probably aggregated her with at least a dozen villagers and in doing so made a new woman that was closer to Godhood, a manufactured Empyrean. This was probably helped by Marika being of the Numen ethnicity, who are some weird spiritual beings that can merge or split their own flesh apart.
The Hornsent then made giant gates that were themselves made of a million more corpses and this again actually created a close connection with the setting's divine power. And at this location, Marika was able to commune with the Two Fingers and be ascended to a true God.

It also looks like she killed everyone even before entering the gates, so she was already extremely powerful as an Empyrean before then.

>>716078309
Ostensibly the Hornsent wanted her to be their God, and probably had an Elden Lord of their own they wanted to appoint as her partner/controller.
But somehow they didn't foresee that the girl they butchered the family of, would still be resentful of them when she gained the power of a God.