DICE is finally giving in?

>>716057734 (OP)
>giving in
no it's just the middle road because they're pussies and want to appeal to every possible audience which in turn means nobody will see an appeal

>>716058812
this.
they're not confident in their decisions and are playing everything as safe as possible

someone could hand these retards a finished game with no strings attached ready to ship and they would still fuck it up and ruin it, they can't make anything and they won't make anything good ever again

>>716057734 (OP)
>>716058812
>>716059123
Reminds me of when 343i patched Halo Reach, they had such a lack of confidence in their gameplay changes that they split everything pre-patch & post-patch. The game didn't have much of a shelf life after that happened.

>>716057734 (OP)
BF4 system objectively sucks and no idea why people still want it. BF4 system made DICE complacent on weapon balance and fucked over the weapon classes.
>LMGs are ass, no one uses them
>SMGs are locked to classes that makes them useless(Engineer)
>DMRs are useless, no one uses them
BF1-V had much better class/weapon balance because they were locked to the classes. No one cared about support in BF3-4 so they gave them goated LMGs in 1 and V. Even 2042 has much better class balance. You don't need to switch to engineer to play as SMGs in TDM/meat grinder maps, SMGs should thrive CQC but BF4 locked them to engineers which is useless in CQC maps. BF4 had the worst class balance because people only ever played with ARs, carbines(ARs for other classes) and sniper rifles.

What DICE should do is either unlock weapons like 2042, or lock the very strictly like BF1 or BFV.

whatever you sourpussies, i didnt think they'd budge, quite optimistic now

>>716057734 (OP)
Just bring back rent-a-server

>>716059864
Strick locks is what's needed but EA wants this game to have 10 million players, so the game is doomed design wise.

>>716057734 (OP)
Don't really understand DICE's endgame here, are they using the beta as a test bed to settle whether they'd lock or open the weapons, or will the game release with both? Either way, if stick to universal weapons then it would be retarded, but if they decide to go both then it would be fucking stupid because they'll end up splitting their playerbase and it would be a nightmare for balancing or patching between classes and guns to the point where neither side will be satisfied or happy.

>>716060141
That's what portal was you dumb fuck.

>>716057734 (OP)
not really, it's just going to divide the playerbase on something the devs already know the answer to (class locked weapons being objectively right) but refusing to budge until it's too late
Similar to 64p vs 128p servers in 2042, dice knew 128p was unsustainable with netcode and map size but doubled down on it during development, and when it was predictably shit they eventually started to focus more on 64p. But the damage was done and 2042 now has a fragmented playerbase that can't decide whether they want to populate the 64p or 128p servers

>>716058812
fippybippy. they want to attract as many players as cod while not pissing off their fanbase. It's no different then 2042 but with the illusion of community feedback

>>716057734 (OP)
Class locked weapons is gay

>>716059535
They really have sucked since the very beginning its amazing Microsoft didn't demolish the studio after Halo Infinite.

How is it so hard to understand that rules/limitations can make choices more meaningful?

It's not even a video game thing, it's a narrative structure element in nearly all storytelling mediums

>>716061267
You have to understand, the people wanting unlocked weapons don't want to make choices. They want to run their favorite assault rifle or smg while playing assault/support so they can play battlefield just like they do call of duty, running around the map being completely self-reliant and only focusing on themselves without any effort spent on teamplay.

>>716061267
>How is it so hard to understand that rules/limitations can make choices more meaningful?
According to the people who defend open guns it'll incentive people to use whatever they want with their preferred class thus improving teamwork without having to deal with the locked weapons they don't like.

>>716061475
It upsets me that you're right

>>716060301
>10 million players
100 (ONE HUNDRED) million players*

>>716061634
The people you're referring to are troglodytes that ought to be buried under six feet of European soil in some backwater foreign war

>>716061897
Why not just say a billion at that point

There will be completely unrealistic skins ala COD being sold in game within six months

Screencap this

>>716061475
People who wants to play run and gun with best class already did that in previous games. BF3-4 already gave best weapon class to best class(assault with ARs, launchers and medkit).

>>716062079
because that might actually wake up the moneybags they want to milk out of their permanent grown induced hysteria and make them realize they're being fed a load of shit

>>716062276
and what about BF2/2142/BC2/BF1/BFV when that wasn't the case?

>>716057734 (OP)
what basic feature will be missing during beta and then launch because they claim it's a difficult and nuanced feature to implement? scoreboard or being able to join matches as a party seem like the most obvious ones.

>split your already shit playerbase
bravo diec

You retards complaining about universal weapons which is a non issue but not the retarded game breaking perks this game has just kills me inside.

Bunch of sheep, the lot of you

>>716062276
I wouldn't really call Medic the "best" class in those games, those people who played the class usually play on Operation Metro or Locker just to farm and stadpad easily.

>>716059864
>post includes jak
>post is unfathomably retarded
Like fucking pottery holy shit

>>716061008
explain how that was anything like rental servers, schmuck

>>716061634
It won't work like that. Everyone will run selfish gadgets with whatever rifle is meta because they're subhuman.

>>716061087
128 was the best thing to happen to battlefield. Fuck your "I need to has a visible impact on the match" Me with my soflam is the only person that has a noticeable impact

>>716062727
I played BF4 recently unlike you, no one uses anything other than ARs and carbines, maybe some odd snipers. Not only that we have actual data on it.

>>716059864
LMGs are good, shitter
SMGs are animal weapons.
DMRs get the piano wire noose

>>716062518
>BF1/BFV
Also the best class. Medic in BF1 had SLRs with best range/damage value you can get, assault had SMGs that couldn't shoot anything beyond 15 meters. BFV also gave SMGs to medic but unlike BF1 SMGs are basically ARs in that game. You also reposition much easier in BFV due to 5 smokes medic has and movement options BFV has.

>>716062640
Get a job Enders, people have already shat on both perks and open weapons.

>>716062620
How is this not a scoreboard?

>>716062940
DMRs and SMGs has 5% pick rate each. 45% for ARs and carbines.

>>716058812
>Everyone (literally Everyone) hated the 2042 "Class" system band-aid on a gaping chest wound (ASSFAGGOTS system).
>DICE-LA makes sequel
>Continues ASSFAGGOTS system
>[Everybody Disliked That].jpg'd harder
>"YOU THINK YOU DON'T WANT IT, BUT YOU DO"™ -Blizzard Devs coming to DICE-LA for a moment
>[Everyone Disliked That].png's in 4K
>DICE-LA finally capitulates and brings back classic Classes (as a toggle, in a beta)
>(YOU) are here.
The only way they'll get me to purchase is to:

1) Support Linux (which isn't going to happen because EA sucks)
2) Class system is implemented and the ASSFAGGOTS "class" system is removed entirely.

Everything that has come out of the private "betas" has been concerning in continuing the stupid decisions that 2042 made instead of backing off those and making Battlefield 4-2: All Frostbite maps from Bad Company 1, Bad Company 2, 3 [ignoring Metro], 4 [Ignoring Locker and Metro 2.0] in tow.

>>716062913
These numbers don't support your claims as much as you think they do. I played bf4 last week, by the way.

>>716057734 (OP)
are they also going to 'give in' by adding a server browser as well as community servers?

>>716063067
They didn’t shit enough on the perks where DICE is reconsidering it dumbass

>>716059864
>>LMGs are ass, no one uses them
The fuck they aren't, you massive retard.

I'm not reading the rest of your retarded post. You clearly didn't play BF4.

>>716063172
>These numbers don't support your claims as much as you think they do.
>5% SMG pick rate
>5% DMR pick rate
LMGs were higher than I expected desu, but bulk still comes from ARs and carbines. Almost 50% of the players uses those 2 weapon classes. SMGs would be around 15-20% if not for them locking SMGs to engineer.

>>716062620
Party. It's been broken for five games running.

>>716062913
carbines being universal weapons over pdws was a shit change
BF4's fuckass open maps meant pdws weren't doing shit, them being locked to engineer (which you only used on open vehicle maps) was just icing on the cake
LMGs were less used because support in BF4 was nerfed into oblivion by DICE LA, it took forever to reload any useful gadgets
All that being said this is still not a good argument for open weapons, it just means class balance for BF4 specifically was shit.

>>716063093
The new UX?

Only bad players complain about universal weapons, 2042 has it and it makes very little difference to the gameplay. 2042 is bad because of bad maps and crappy mouse input

>>716063052

>>716062913
>unironically posting the same infograph spammed on r/battlefield by redditors dickriding BF6
lmao, this data also counts those op locker only & TDM servers

>>716063381
That is the launch 2042 scoreboard that everyone whined about

>>716063442
Whenever I watch non-crop gameplay they always play as medic.

>>716063243
Because it's easier to nerf said perks much more than weapons, you fucktard.

>>716063243
Probably because most players haven't played the perks yet. The class system is obvious because we have a game (2042) that does what DICE-LA wanted to do in this sequel and it blew tremendous ass.

They really should open the beta up to more folks.

>>716062620
Server browser

>bf5 was an ugly boring asset flip of bf1
>2042 was homemade and a fucking mistake
>our next game will be amazing, p-please be excited

Too much matchmaking splitting usually kills a game. People in multiplayer games like the community aspect. When the community are essentially playing different games, the discussions become fragmented and segregated and interest wanes.

>>716063442
Love the secondary restrictions in his, most had a two shot revolver option but I loved that scout had the low ttk option, made just running around with your revolver extremely viable

>>716063397
>and it makes very little difference to the gameplay.
Yeah man. I sure love to play AEK vs AEK Angel vs Angel (because he is the only ASSFAGGOT that heals and resupplies since you can't relay on teammates that are the Medic/Support classes to do that).

Shut the fuck up, the open class system was unbalanced and fucked up class cohesion.

>>716063541
How did universal weapons make 2042 worse exactly?

>>716063093
>5 kills
>109 assists
I ignore all driver fag posts and those associated.

>>716063702
How is that any different to assault having the AEK in BF4?

when is the beta? ill play it, ill have fun, but ill be so disappointed, how can they fuck it up yet again? the formula is fun, they just need to not fuck it up thats it

>>716063454
>his data also counts those op locker only & TDM servers
That's even worse then since no one will use SMGs in maps other than those. Already 5% in Locker/TDM maps. Maybe 1% in open maps.

>>716063618
>Too much matchmaking splitting usually kills a game
This is open beta, they will take the data and then proceed to apply that to the final release.

>>716063604
Why do you give a fuck what the characters look like? You don't even see players in much detail unless it's like a 3m death cam.

>>716063745
I don't know what you mean? I'm assuming you think I drive a vehicle around, probably the mav or LATV and let gunners do the work...but I use the soflam. Pretty much exclusively because I get to lay down and do other shit while playing.

>>716063864
could medics in BF4 give out ammo?

>>716059864
>LMGs are ass, no one uses them
>DMRs are useless, no one uses them
Stop playing Metro, idiot. At least play Locker.

>>716064101
>you think I'm just a driver but I'm actually even more degenerate
jesus christ dude why are you even here?

>>716064280
I mean you seem to believe transport drivers don't deserve to exist so I feel I should be asking you that question. I'm sure there's a cod general or something for you.

Also complaining about soflam on breakthrough defense when the attackers have a vehicle advantage is crazy. BF is in a sad state.

>>716063864
BF4 AEK users were contained in Locker. Meanwhile in 2042 those said players are playing Mackay, Falck or Lis with PP-29, or SFAR or the railgun regardless of the gamemode or map.

>>716063898
Beginning of august if leaks are true

>>716064483
AEK is a better AR than majority of the others even in bigger maps desu. You either run AEK or M416 or ACE in bigger maps.

>>716064131
No but the assault classes are very viable in 2042, I never thought I was at a massive disadvantage just because I wasn’t playing as Falcke or Angel. I even usually just play Mackay on redacted and do fine. In BF4, you are kind of forced to play assault especially on infrantry maps because they have the best guns and can self heal.

>>716062913
This is a good argument for being stricter with which classes can use which weapons and changing up the class structure, but since the source is so generic it's probably pulling data from 24/7 Locker servers and therefore isn't going to be that accurate in terms of actual Battlefield game balance.

>>716064483
No, not really. The only reason why you wouldn’t play assault on maps that isn’t locker/TDM is to play engineer and fight vehicles. Assault is still the most viable class in the game if you’re primary objective is to kill enemy players

>>716064665
>I even usually just play Mackay on redacted and do fine

>>716057734 (OP)
this is just fucking sad
or it would be if it wasn't EA and DICE we're talking about
because of them it's fucking hilarious

>>716064794
Durr you have to play engineer on a map with no vehicles just because you just have to OKAY!

>>716064886
didn't say that at all, but the fact that you think playing assault on redacted like this is some totally wacky combo and not what literally 90% of the server is doing as well means you're retarded

>>716063912
Yeah because PDWs were weak during most of BF4's lifetime with the exception of few guns like the AS Val, Groza 4, pre-nerf MPX and MP7 until they were buffed late. Now PDWs are carbines but better since not only they share the same BTK in longer ranges but they're better on close range too.

>>716065052
Well the other guy was bitching about support being the most OP cause they can self heal and resupply. I was pointing out to him how assault is just as viable in the game even on maps like redacted where Mackay’s grapple hook / Sundance flying isn’t even that useful.

>>716063618
>Too much matchmaking splitting usually kills a game.
That won't be a problem because this game will have 100 million players.

>>716057734 (OP)
Fool me once.

Also if I hear the words "hero shooter", I would honestly not be disappointed because I expect EA to flop at everything at this point.

>>716064724
If data was taken from Golmund then less people would play as LMGs since support is less essential, SMGs would have even less purpose than they already have and only sniper players would get an increase.

>>716064779
>The only reason why you wouldn’t play assault on maps that isn’t locker/TDM is to play engineer and fight vehicles
And they used Carbines, not SMGs.

>>716064779
>No, not really.
Yes really, one "meta" that is most efficient on one part of the game is not the same as 3 out of 14 characters being viable in most circumstances.

>>716065464
>set absurd goals
>team obviously fails to reach milestone
>ea takes another studio behind the shed
rest in piss dice

>10 games later
>shotguns are still shit
>snipers are still shit
>now with operators like this was rainbow shit siege
nah i'm fine

>>716065619
Well your examples where Lis, Falck, Mackay. That’s more class diversity than the meta being either assault or engineer. People pick support and recon in BF4 due to their play style which is sitting on a bipod or sniping.

>>716057734 (OP)
>with Signature Weapons locked to class, or not
>only locking signature weapons and leaving carbines open class
You know a sequel to BF4 should improve upon it rather than inheriting it's balance problems without even trying to address them. Besides that what's the point of making the class-locked playlist BF4-style half-open cope when people who want open weapons will just play the open weapons playlist?
Seems poorly thought out. I bet they cut it before release.

>>716065907
>shotguns being shit

Shotguns are always so broken to the point that any braindead player can do well with them, how fucking bad are you? Do you need BFBC2 slugs where you can one shot people across the map?

>>716065907
>shotguns are still shit
BF4 had the most OP shotguns in any Battlefield, glad they are nerfing them to be obsolete, I would even want them to remove shotguns completely but they won't.
>snipers are still shit
They were OP in BF1. They fixed them in BFV and 2042.

All this does is split the playerbase because they refused to make a decision as developers.

>>716065795
If they kill them, who would take up DICE's mantle to release new FPS slop for EA? Can't really use Respawn in the driver's sea because even Apex is starting to flounder

>>716066130
It’s funny cause they are even more OP in BFV to the point that they make BF4 shotguns balanced

>>716065486
>if any one map were over represented in the data it would skew it
Yes, thank you, that is the point.

>>716064642
>AEK is a better AR than majority of the others even in bigger maps desu
No, BF4's AEK is a meme outside meatgrinders and it's a joke compared to to its BF3 counterpart. ARs such as the SCAR-H, M416, L85A2 are better picks.

The whole point of the beta test will be to see which players like more. If 80% of people choose one over the other they will probably just go with that system at launch.

>>716066197
They will make that decision after open beta ends since this is a fucking beta dumb fucking retard. If people prefer locked classes they will lock them, if they don't they will keep them open.

>>716065964
Having 3 meta specialists being better than 11 other specialists doesn't make your game "diverse" it means that it's unbalanced and flawed.

>>716066481
People will probably choose class locked weapons, but end of the day. It doesn’t make a big difference to me, I’ll play and adapt regardless. It’s the shitters that are throwing a tantrum

>>716066228
>It’s funny cause they are even more OP in BFV
BFV shotguns has like 5 meter range, BF4 shotguns has around 15-20 meter range. Legit better than most SMGs.

>>716066574
Well if they class locked weapons with the BF4 class locks, every sweat would literally only play Mackay or Zayne. There wouldn’t be an incentive to play engineer unless you are trying to fight vehicles.

>>716066481
people will choose the default and if they default to open the game will end up being like 2042 again

>>716063247
It's funny that all the people complaining about a class system are even interested in Battlefield to begin with. It's like being mad a FPS is in first person

>>716057734 (OP)
Giving in would be player-run servers with a server browser

>>716066550
And conveniently DICE can just say "our telemetry said people preferred open weapons :)"

>>716067424
I prefer open weapons if their ''locked'' system is BF4.
BF1-V(Strictly locked) > 2042(Open) > BF4(Semi open)

Imo.

Like Enders said, they need to class lock weapons so you faggots stop your whinging and we focus on more important features like a server browser implementation, working mouse input, no broken OP perks

>>716066607
bro that's really cool. you must be a real dedicated fan and pro gamer to adapt and conquer. only a shitter wouldn't purchase- I mean PLAY. play this game. I meant to say play.

>>716057734 (OP)
It's a cool idea but 99% of players are stupid and will pick the unlocked weapons playlist while the locked weapons playlist will take 10+ minutes to find a game

>>716066061
>how fucking bad are you?
enough good to hit enemies and they not dying its not being broken
its being shit
>>716066130
bf1 was the one i hardly played so i dont remember them there

>>716066846
I didn't say 2042 should have BF4 class locked weapons to begin with since it wouldn't be any better or worse than its current state.

>>716067896
You’re so fucking shit, stop playing video games

>Literally everyone on Earth asks Dice to make weapons unique to classes
>UUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH......LET'S HAVE BOTH!!!
Shut the fuck up

>>716066061
>3 hits to kill somebody
>1headshot in less than a metter and he doesn't die
sure. broken

>>716068005
See>>716066550

>>716068019
Holy fuck you are terrible, and why would an auto shot gun be one shot kill? You do realize how fucking broken that would be?

>>716067969
so you never played the games you shill
kill yourself shill

>>716067541
>Like Enders said
You get all of your opinions from ecelebs or just the Battlefield ones?

>>716068126
>Holy fuck you are terrible
you are a retard defending a shit company

>>716068076
Again, if 100% of the player base asks Dice to make weapons unique - they should do so immediately instead of this tranny shit

>>716057734 (OP)
Isn't the whole point of them doing these cbts to listen to players? Are they retarded?

>>716068303
YOU CANT EVEN HIT A PLAY 2 METRES AWAY FROM YOU WITH AN AUTO SHOTGUN LMAO

>>716068181
Dude you have like 10 hours in this game, please STFU

>>716068187
>agreeing with someone means you get all your opinions from them

>>716068019
I'm not the faggot crying about shotguns but you can't genuinely expect someone to take your opinion seriously with that shitter gameplay clip

>>716068019
>1headshot in less than a metter and he doesn't die
looks more like shitty netcode something thats been in bf games since 1942

>>716064642
>ACE
ACE 23 has been nerfed a long time ago and it only became a popular choice because sweats were copying what "competitive" BF4 players were running during its early year (stats wise right now its average at its best), same thing can be said for the ACE 52

>>716068695
>t. 1.05 KD

>>716061897
Even Call of Duty doesn't get 100 million players.
Is EA deliberately setting them up for failure?

>>716069191
>Even Call of Duty doesn't get 100 million players.
Warzone did in it's first year.

>>716068019
thank you for this clip, genuinely. I now understand what kind of players are spreading their opinions in these threads.

>>716057734 (OP)
They want the classes to be a bit more flexible, although they could've just stuck to multirole shotguns and DMRs, and kept the rest locked.
I wouldn't hold my breath until the wahmen are officially gone and nameless rank-and-file grunts stay, now that'll get people to run back to DICE.

>>716069191
They definitely can get that much, but they'll need to drop the DEI bullshit if they want the rising global audience.

>>716057734 (OP)
Not buying, not playing. If buying isn't owning then sailing isn't stealing and I'm not even going to touch these online only games.

>>716068767
Symthic is free, if anything shitters and Brazilians that keep putting the heavy barrel on the AEK keep regurgitation this "muh ACE" because they're stuck in 2013.

>>716068423
>like 10 hours
nice projection

>>716069415
Go away SKGroid, we're talking about videogames.
Go talk about saving gacha slop somewhere else, but not here.

>>716068557
the only reason i recorded that was for the last shot at the head
but keep defending your shit company shill
dont forget to tell me snipers make sense when the bullets fall in less than 100 metters too

>>716069191
DICE already failed enough on their own so I hope so.

>>716063160
being able to use every weapon is assfagots class system?
I never played 2042 someone pls explain

>>716069498
blud thought this is a flex

>>716069443
It’s a 36 round weapon with 770 fire rate, what weapon is better for mid range then?

>>716068510
When every BF thread has at least one guy mindlessly repeating Enders' talking points as if they're objective facts and you swoop in with "daddy Enders said" I'm going to call it like I see it.

>>716069643
>actual shitter using real life ballistics to complain about video game ballistics
>88 hours played like that means something
this is embarrassing
stop making us look bad

>>716061897
Did Andrew see Roblox number, and told to himself "Ah yes let me take all of their market share with my latest and greatest vidya gaem called Battlefield i'm sure all this underaged kids will be thrilled about this literal who series."?

>>716068019
>those are negroes trying to argue
I knew it was bad and this board is full of shitters but what the actual fuck am I witnessing in that clip.

>>716070101
these are the people that talk about removing jumping from the game

>>716069234
Warzone is an amalgamation of a half dozen games.
>>716069404
>they'll need to drop the DEI bullshit if they want the rising global audience
All they need to do is make everyone faceless soldiers again. You can imagine they're any race or gender you want. And it'll make all the old fans happy and bring them back. It's a win/win!
>>716069663
I'm surprised EA has let DICE survive this long.

>>716069498
>he plays an FPS game with a controller

there’s your problem right there

>>716069775
MarbleDuck made a similar video on it. Ultimately it doesn't matter if weapons are class locked or not.
https://youtu.be/se2xa3-Yj6s

>>716070260
>Warzone is an amalgamation of a half dozen games.
Warzone is also F2P. None of the BF games had a F2P offering. So it's not that out of touch to think next BF can have 100M players in it's lifetime.

>>716069775
No, he just made a great point that the whining is annoying and it doesn’t make a huge difference as you guys claim and I’d rather we move to more pressing issues. I’ve played 2042 and never felt like universal weapons actively made the experience worse

>>716070694
You bought 2042 and you think your taste in Battlefield games is in any way trustworthy?

>>716066304
>ARs such as the SCAR-H, M416, L85A2 are better picks.
It doesn't matter which AR you pick at range since you're burst firing anyway. The difference between a burst AEK and a burst SCAR-H/M416 isn't that much. This is how all the 2+ K/D sweats still use the AEK on larger maps without any problems.

Use the AEK, equip stubby comp, and learn to burst fire

>>716070407
>the same guy who argued BF1's weapon spread was good is now claiming open weapons is good

>>716071029
I played a battlefield game that has universal weapons so I can actually have an opinion on whether it’s detrimental or not rather than mindlessly calling it bad.
I guarantee I play BF4, BFV and BF1 more than you do.

>>716070489
>None of the BF games had a F2P offering.
You lack the critical information.

>>716057734 (OP)
there's nothing wrong with open weapons, if theres only 1 or 2 guns players use then it's a balancing issue

>>716070167
I know but this clip is something id expect from limp wristed redditor with negative self awareness to post while trying to argue not faggots here lol.

>>716071317
You make being a retard who bought a shitty hero shooter because it had your preferred brand name slapped on it sound so noble. Thank you for your service.

>>716071548
It was $2 and it’s actually still better game than any shitty milsim or cod out there.

>>716070376
wanna keep moving the goalpost?

>>716071079
>spread is le bad!!

Delta Force exists, go play that.

>>716071079
BF1's spread was good, BFV and launch 2042 are what happens when you don't have spread. Getting beamed across 150 meters by bush wookies proning with LMGs. So much fun gameplay!

i liked bf3
will i like bf6?

>>716071743
yes, because some spread like BF3/4 is totally the same as BF1's rng shitfest you disingenuous faggot

>>716071857
BF1 LMG’s like the BAR, madsen are more effective and less affected by spread than any BF4 assault rifle kek

>>716071337
>You lack the critical information.
You do. BF6 will have 2 F2P modes. A BR and a gauntlet mode.

>>716072086
When people say they hate spread they mean suppression. But fanbase also loves suppression and getting their screen covered in vaseline. BF fanbase is genuinely retarded.

>>716071672
I don’t know what to tell you, any decent BF4 will tell you that shotguns are very effective. It’s literally a skill issue on your part, please post some of your gameplay using a shotgun and we can see what your doing wrong.

The guy calling shotguns shit in BF4, how do you explain that the world record in kills for BF4 was done using a shotgun?? How is this possible if shotguns are shit and useless?

https://youtu.be/WoQiX6ktZsM?si=b4RZoEo7p8pMsQVV

>>716072198
BF has already had two failed f2p games was my point.

>>716072506
>BF has already had two failed f2p games was my point.
Neither hazard zone nor firestorm were F2P. They were locked behind $60 games. That's also why Warzone thrived while Blackout utterly failed despite being a better game.

>>716071078
Not every bullet you're gonna hit is going to land with that awful base spread increase & decrease whether you're moving or not nor you're going to kill more than 2 people that often with a single mag like in Locker. That's why these said 2+ K/D sweats don't play or use the AEK outside of meatgrinders.
>comp
Don't, trading 'better' increased spread reset while having to "perfectly" microburst all time (which is literally not possible) is not worth the task. It's like you want to excel at 1 out of 10,000 engagement in favor of the other 9,999 gunfights.

>>716072591
Talking about Play4Free and Heroes. Both entirely f2p

>>716070489
Wait, BF6 will be free?
Or just multiplayer will be free?

>>716072952
P4F was a P2W game and a low effort game on top of it. Heroes wasn't really P2W but still had P2W elements in it such as needing to buy extra character slots. What they are aiming with F2P modes aren't BF players with BF6, they want Fortnite, Warzone, Finals players.

>>716073115
The obligatory ROYALE will be free. Everything else is paid.

>>716073115
Battle royale and gauntlet will be F2P. Not the main multiplayer or campaign.

>>716073219
>>716073220
So not the good stuff.
Oh well. As long as there's a campaign I'll buy.
If they made Bad Company 3, I'd preorder.

>>716072086
They started out with shit spread and to reduce it you had to mag dump it until the spread tightened. Not to mention most belt fed lmgs had even higher spread than magazine fed ones.
This is the problem with BF1's gunplay, everything is layered a veneer of rng dogshit that takes control out of the player's hands, on top of other equally shit mechanics like suppression and sweet spots. In BF4 you can be deadly accurate with an assault rifle with enough recoil control and tap firing. The same cannot be said for any of BF1's weapons.

BF battle royale could only end up working and being successful if they buffed aim assist like crazy and basically made it disadvantageous to play on MNK like warzone did

Which could absolutely happen

>>716073129
I realize now that you're shilling and not just a dude on a basketweaving forum.
In what way will the BR mode of battlefield be unique? Why would anyone who plays apex/warzone/fortnite leave their years of progress and skins?
What is a "gauntlet" mode?

>>716072478
Cool! Now try that outside of a 3000 ticket metro server

>>716073527
Why should shotguns be just as effective in a non CQC environment as well? Thats the trade off of shotguns retard

>>716073704
great, now you understand why shotguns wouldn't be effective in BF4 where 90% of the maps' playable areas are wide open fields

>>716074293
And your proposal is to make shotguns effective in all ranges? You shouldn’t be using shotguns in a wide open field map you shit for brains.

>>716069770
Never said to not use it the point was the gun is nowhere near as powerful as as it was back in the day, but if you wanna a really good mid-range gun then use the SCAR-H due to its unique heavy hitter characteristics & TTK and quick reloads.

>>716074554
I'm just saying, when your defense for shotguns is a video of them being used in one the few close quarter maps in the game while ignoring the fact that they're completely useless for 90% of the rest of the game, at that point you're just being a disingenuous retard

>>716075139
I don’t get your retarded argument, so shotguns are shit because they aren’t as useful in a wide open field map? Thats how it’s supposed to be, it’s a fucking shotgun. It’s like saying snipers are the most OP weapon in Battlefield because most of the maps are wide open fields.

>>716075139
You know there's a lot of close quarters fighting in the other maps too, right?

>>716057734 (OP)
How about disabled black lesbians? Huh?

reminder that the fags who own battlefield hate you and want you dead

>>716073438
>This is the problem with BF1's gunplay
BF1's main gunplay problem is suppression, not the spread.

>>716073498
>In what way will the BR mode of battlefield be unique?
If leaks are true then there is a camera mode once you die, similar to R6 Siege, when you die and not revived you can gather info for your teammates, there are also vehicles such as tanks.
>What is a "gauntlet" mode?
Finals. 3v3 competitive mode.

>>716061897
im glad to see EA still is as retarded as it always was, im surprised they still afloat after they lost FIFA.

>>716075772
>I don’t get your retarded argument
That's because you are retarded
When a weapon class is "OP" in its intended range yet most of the maps do not facilitate that range, then it's not actually OP.
> It’s like saying snipers are the most OP weapon in Battlefield because most of the maps are wide open fields
No, snipers in BF4 had their own problems of having low bullet velocity and slow fire rate making them hard to use at their intended ranges. That they are the best at long range matters less when there's a skill barrier in using them effectively
>>716075815
Here's a list of BF4 maps where the map or at least large sections of the map are viable for shotgun play:
>lockers
>metro
>pearl market
>flood zone
>propaganda
>zavod
For every other map you're either pigeonholed into one or two very specific sections of the map designated for infantry only (hainan's hotel, dawnbreaker buildings) or otherwise completely irrelevant. Don't believe me? If shotguns were as viable as you are claiming it is to be, why are they all near bottom of the barrel in usage statistics despite being universal weapons?

>>716078201
Every single map has close quarters areas where shotguns are useful. You play around your short range and high damage. You're acting like it's a useless weapon when you just want to run around and play like you're using an AR like most players do.

>>716078201
>When a weapon class is "OP" in its intended range yet most of the maps do not facilitate that range, then it's not actually OP.
Not every weapon needs to have equal pick rates. Not even in competitive games such as CS this is the case. Shotguns are OP in their range, especially pump action shotguns. You literally have 0 ms TTK in first 20 meters. What else do you want? No one can react to that TTK.

>>716079314(me)
If it were up to me I would completely remove shotgun class btw. Unless they are auto shotguns that requires, 3-4 hits to kill. Getting one framed by a shotgun player isn't fun, takes no skill to do that too.

>>716059864
>LMGs are ass, no one uses them
when is the last time you played this game bro?
The M60, PKP, M240b, M249, MG4, RPK, RPK-12, Type-88 are all great weapons
>DMRs are useless, no one uses them
? DMR's are for non recon classes to be able to engage at far ranges
>No one cared about support in BF3-4 so they gave them goated LMGs in 1 and V.
support is stupid OP in 1

BF1 has a terrible class balance. Assault is only useful on close range maps or if you need a ground vehicle dead (the AA rocket gun is a joke). Support can do everything but heal himself, and Scout has one shot weapons with the Sweet Spot and the flare gun to spot half the map

>>716079527
If we're removing guns that don't require any skill we should start with every automatic rifle.

>>716079663
In a perfect world

>>716079663
Automatic rifles takes skill to use since they aren't one shotting anyone low skill shitter. You need to have recoil control, spread control and tracking skills to use automatic weapons.

>10% accuracy on ARs
who the fuck is posting in these threads

>>716079752
tracking sure but
>recoil control
>spread control
lmao

>>716079879
Fine, flicking and tracking then. Still more than just flicking.

>>716079819
im drunk when i play

>>716079101
>I can run around with a shotgun on D flag on altai range and not be completely useless
>This means it's a viable pick for that map and totally on par with something like an AR or LMG
>>716079314
and yet assault rifles like the aek and f2000 are massively more popular, even for meatgrinders. You know why? Because versatility and consistency matters more than just raw TTK numbers. It's no wonder you want shotguns removed, you call other people shitters but the very concept of a shotgun being used for its intended range annoys you. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
Also
>thinking auto shotties are ok but hating on pump shotguns which actually require aiming to do well with them
lol

>>716079752
Dragging your mouse over a target while holding M1 is only difficult in games with low damage or high player health. In a game like BF where you only need three or four bullets to kill it's the easiest of easy modes.
There's a reason that every noob gravitates towards ARs and it's not because they're difficult to use.

>>716079819
>never use a weapon because i dont like it
>have shit accuracy with said weapon
i'm sure my handgun accuracy is shit

>>716080025
>and yet assault rifles like the aek and f2000 are massively more popular, even for meatgrinders. You know why? Because versatility and consistency matters more than just raw TTK numbers.

Except all the world record kills for those maps are with the shotguns.

>using play tests to test gameplay
who could have possibly expected this, it's not like they've done shit like this before with the Battlefield 4 CTE or anything

i miss when the SKS was good

>>716080048
One framing someone with a chest shot takes a lot more skill, got it.

>>716062913
Always thought PDWs were so trash compared to carbines

>>716080915
That's because you haven't played with the real PDWs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw63LA7IUvs

somebody remembers that youtuve vid showing that lag weird thing battlefield does?
i remember seeing it with bf3
thats why you get killed behind walls all the time

>>716080048
I’ve seen terrible players get decent scores with shotguns but be completely useless when they pick up AR way more than I’ve seen a good AR player being bad with shotguns

>>716057734 (OP)
>Battlefield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAuA4E83ZzE

>>716081297
>people become good at what they use most
any other breaking news you want to tell us?

>>716080852
If shotguns and snipers give you the same or better results than ARs, carbines, etc. for the same effort invested why do players overwhelmingly pick the latter over the former? Are they too honorable to use the easier weapons?

>>716081358
My point is that shotguns aren’t hard to use at all, I can put up a good score with them despite rarely using them.

>>716079752
Holy shit. Few weeks ago someone called me out no one is complaining about shotguns anymore in fps games.
Seems that retard was wrong.
>>716080852
Only from really close range when all pellets hit. It usually takes two or three from normal ranges.
>>716081297
Ive seen terrible players get decent scores with the "meta" AR too and fall apart whenever they pick a shotgun.
Your seethe gives me nostaliga where metafaggots would cry at me for fucking wiping the floor with them with shotguns.

bullpups have added standing inaccuracy for no reason

LMG's just feel like slow AR's

>>716081506
Maybe because tracking and using automatic weapons are more fun than cheesing people with shotguns?

>>716081676
For BF6?

>>716081725
for you

>>716081596
Any drooling idiot can do well with a shotgun lmao stop the lies

>>716081725
Because if there's one thing FPS players are known for, it's not following any meta and intentionally choosing a sub-optimal strategy in the pursuit of fun gameplay.

>>716081871
Well you clearly don’t play CQC maps if you don’t think shotguns are not used by tryhard players

>>716081725
Closing the gap with terrain, flanking and ambushing is also fun.
>>716081837
Then why are they not as popular?
Meanwhile every faggot was running around with a high rof carbine or AR.
>>716081990
Stop lying dude. Even those maps were all played by the same guns i mentioned before.

>>716057734 (OP)
I don't know why /v/ discuss this casual shit to death but draw the line at Halo and COD

>>716082091
Yeah sitting in a corner in a random spot on operation underground and one framing people, the pinnacle of skill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eziEoqH9cCY

thoughts ??

BF4 was better when sprinting took a bit of momentum to build up.

god I used to slap shit with the SAR-21

>>716082137
because the shit franchises you grow up with were always shit

>try coming back to BF4
>spawn
>killed by a tank
>spawn somewhere else
>killed by a different tank

>>716082803
People on this board get mad at you if you don’t want to fight vehicles all game and would rather just play infantry maps. Apparently you have to go back to “COD” if you feel this way.

>>716082803
>chopper flying around with 80 kills but you can't kill because shits imbalance
>>716082934
if you add 200 players to maps there wouldn't be a problem with vehicle maps

>>716082934
back in the day we had choice but now you dont at least not on hardcore.

if tanks in BF6 have either infinite ammo and HP regen im not playing.

if helicopters cant take damage from small arms fire im not playing.

im seriously done with battlefield.

I will have to hope battlebit comes back again.

>BF game has manual guided rocket launcher
>faggot air mains cry about it in the forums
>gets nerfed

>>716070260
>I'm surprised EA has let DICE survive this long.

They make their game engine.They are so deeply entrenched in EA at this point shutting them down would be nothing more than removing the name from the roster.

>>716083394
>faggot air mains cry
Every time

>>716083028
>if you add 200 players to maps there wouldn't be a problem with vehicle maps
no you'd just get 20 different problems

>>716083250
>I should be able to shoot a helicopter with a 9mm sidearm and do damage to it

>>716083602
yea if its up close why not?

side arm can do 1 damage per hit.
rifles 3 damage per hit.
just some examples but it should make players not feel totally helpless against faggots that just farm all game

>>716083538
well at least we have enough people trying to fuck the vehicles and the map would be used. unlike now with the shitty 64vs64 with 80% of the map not used

>yfw they are going to do the thing again every season, adding new overly strong gun on purpose and then dial it back
>yfw they will break basic gunplay again because of retard devs that dont play games
>yfw each patch breaks 2 things for every one thing fixed
>yfw mouse input will be busted

>>716082803
Nobody wants to be anti tank because most of the time you need more than 1 person actively trying to destroy them and if you don't it's fucking unbearable to play that role

>>716059864
What the fuck, my MG36 was brilliant with it's laser accuracy in BF3.

>DICE: we're listening
>love letter to BF fans
>development going better than expected
>releases early

>>716083834
>at least we have enough people trying to fuck the vehicles and the map would be used
i don't think that would be the case tbqh. People not fighting vehicles is a more complicated affair

>>716057734 (OP)
EA does not know what to do with BF6, they are just going to acquiesce to anything and the result will be a mediocre game with no inspiration or vision.
This will be better than something like BFV for sure but it will limit the series height as well. Will it translate to more sales and popularity? Idk I can see the community becoming frustrated over constant changes. Will they keep the DEI shit out though? No one wants that. Will they lay off the aggressive monetization that turns people off?

>>716067424
People will prefer open weapons.
It doesn't matter if locking guns to classes makes for better gameplay. People want the freedom to choose.

Most of the people playing will be kids who watched a streamer. They do not care about the older games. They will opt for more customization.

>>716084142
this is the story of my life in BF4 and after 2,000 hours of misery I think the game finally broke me.

I usually only play lockers/pearl/metro now.

hitting a tank 3-4 times in a row and maybe even sneaking in a rear hit only to get picked off by a different tank or faggot sniper just for the tank to then sprint away and the 1 guy to get out and fully repair.

DICE seriously needs to get the repair speed uptime in check, 1 guy should not be able to farm an entire server and tanks should not have fucking sprint.

it should be 4 rockets MAX to blow up a tank or 3 if one is a rear hit.

34 damage to a rear hit no matter what angle IDC if its a 179 degree glancing blow it does 34 damage.

>yfw the game has these missions you have to do to get cosmetics
>most players just do that instead of playing objectives
>3/4 of the team is useless

>>716080613
mouthbreathing retard

This is the very last chance I'm giving this franchise, I've successfully ignored BF1, V & 2142 but if they try to fuck me over with this game releasing goofy ass CoD skins post-release or fuck up the balance again resulting in airfags being OP I'll be done for life. Life's too short to be giving idiots infinite chances.

>>716084521
>this is the story of my life in BF4 and after 2,000 hours of misery I think the game finally broke me.
>I usually only play lockers/pearl/metro now.
Rush usually gives me the right mix of BF combined arms gameplay without all the cancer that comes with the usual conquest affair. That being said, rush has its own unique issues but there ones I can live with.

>>716084521
I imagine it's a tough situation because technically right now it's fine if you have multiple people focusing a tank so if you nerf them and have those rare games where people actually focus tanks then they become useless.

>>716057734 (OP)
Is this how they confirmed the open beta?
what a weird fucking ad cycle they are doing. just endless "leaks" that they then have to officially comment on.

>>716084594
>do i try to win
>or use this shit weapon to unlock whatever other weapon?

>>716061897
>battlefield is a franchise older than CoD, consistently selling millions of copies.
>NO, WE NEED TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, WE NEED MORE PLAYERS.

>>716061897
on one hand this is retarded, on the other hand you gotta assume the CEO of EA is getting calls every day from boomer investors asking "WHY CANT WE MAKE CALL OF DUTY?"

>>716085251
the original BF3 was a pedo MMO shooter that they massively scaled back after the success of CoD4

>>716085402

>>716085434
pseudo* I guess I've been talking about bedos too much and I'm drunk

I may be interested if:
>no women
>can choose white guy for every class
>locked nation weapons, no US marines with chink guns, etc.
>no cross-class weapons
>no operator shit with 60-year-old disabled trannies

>>716084338
True and painful. Casuals don't know what they want and EA only cares about maximizing revenue.
I'm sure after the reveal event we'll have a bunch of naive fools claiming portal will save us, again.

>>716085649
Those are all probably going to happen but there was already female soldiers in the closed beta.

>>716062883
>FUCKING 64PLAYER CUNTS FUCK YOU LET ME FARM ON 128P servers I NEED 500 KILLS FOR MY TWITCH YOU FAGGOTS
Wow what a gay.

>>716084338
>Most of the people playing will be kids who watched a streamer
People that watch streamers do not play games. False argument.

>>716057734 (OP)
have they still not just made "battlefield 4: 2" yet? why do they insist on making things complicated?

>>716057734 (OP)
what does that even mean

>>716086732
In the Open Weapons playlists weapons are completely free from any class restrictions meaning that you can use any combination of weapon and class (eg. engineer with a sniper rifle). This is the current default state of BF6.

In the Closed Weapons playlists certain weapons are restricted to specific classes like in past Battlefield games. More specifically, the weapons are locked in the exact same way as they were in BF4 (assault - ARs, engineer - SMGs, support - LMGs, recon - sniper rifles, all-class - carbines/shotguns/DMRs).

>>716084338
>People will prefer open weapons.
And that's a good thing if their ''locked'' system is trash BF4 system. BF4 is already very open why not just completely unlock them.

What happened to Conquest Assault?

>still less destruction than a 25 year old game

>>716089085
Replaced with Rush and Breakthrough.

battlebit remastered is coming back
fotm retvrns

>>716089297
I'm sure the 100 people still playing it will be happy

You now remember Grand Operations

>>716090697
They were alright but they weren't as good as Operations in BF1. Nothing will beat spawning in fast enough to hear squad leaders yelling in German before everyone starts screaming and ringing trench bells to advance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bGxQjfENE

I played the test they had a couple months ago and the maps were fucking awful

>>716083394
>>716083447
How does the 1% have all the power?

>>716090986
It's all in the numbers.
Number one: that's terror.

>>716083430
Huh. So when Frostbite eventually bites it, so does DICE?

>>716083430
Nah, EA established a division dedicated for Frostbite 9 years ago known as 'Frostbite Labs', it's how Motive managed to remake Dead Space and develop Star Wars Squadrons without assistance from DICE.

Hey DICE employees that are reading this, wanna know how to make the battle royale mode work? Have like 25 outposts and every 10 minutes, if your squad doesn't have an outpost you're eliminated, and 5 get removed from the round.
I'll be taking my 50 million dollars in the mail by the way.

>>716092551
I don't think DICE lurks here anymore.

>>716064101
>Why do you give a fuck what the characters look like? You don't even see players in much detail unless it's like a 3m death cam.
fk off

>>716092692
It was cool to finally get a confirmation after all these years

>>716092551
If they really want to nail Battlefield Royale they need to take advantage of Battlefield's most iconic trait. Instead of having 25-30 teams of 4, make it 15 teams of 8 or 10 teams of 12.

>>716076095
this

Locked guns is reddit.

I don't want to use your dogshit LMGs just because I play medic.
I want to use my AUG, Tavor, or whatever kino bullpup I want to use - regardless of what class I'm playing.

If the team needs an Engineer I'll play engineer, but I'm not going to use those fucking dogshit """"smgs"""" while everyone plays
>shoot the rocket faggot
with their AEKs or whatever the fuck gun that outranges everything I have access to except for some retarded dogshit carbine.

can't wait

>>716093539
Didn't ask for your blog

>>716059864
Go be a retard elsewhere. Choose better images to shitpost with.

>>716094960
This entire website is my personal blog

>>716093684
Is this a tranny and a DICE dev? Makes sense how this series has shit the bed after the old guard left years ago

>>716059864
SMGs (PDWs in 4, actually) are great and perfect for Engineers. Something quick and short to cover your ass if you get caught out repairing, or better yet, get the jump on an enemy and get to steal HIS tank instead. The problem is that carbines also exist and are all-class weapons.
>BF4 locked them to engineers which is useless in CQC maps.
Useless in Locker sure, because all the walls are permanent. Any close quarters map other than that quickly becomes open quarters because BF players either forget rockets are really good at both destroying walls and killing whoever is hiding behind them, or have some stick up their ass and bitch forever if you kill them with explosive spam (field upgrades my love, give me those sweet 8 RPG rounds) instead of walking into their nest of bullets.

All I remember 14 years ago is that I had incredible amount of fun in BF3 with a shotgun (forgot make) and slugs and just aimed one pixel below the orange doritos when people were spotted and I was able to headshot people across the map.

That's when I fell in love with modern day railguns

>>716057734 (OP)
It's going to be wokeslop

>>716066130
>BF4 had the most OP shotguns in any Battlefield, glad they are nerfing them to be obsolete, I would even want them to remove shotguns completely but they won't.
t. AEKblob who played exclusively 2000 tickets 24/7 Lockers with shotguns banned and absolutely shat himself in fury when admins forgot to ban the Shorty 12ga and something could beat his bullet hose in a hallway

>>716097087
>Something quick and short to cover your ass if you get caught out repairing
I play engineer to kill vehicles, not repair them. Playing engineer with SMGs means I won't be able to kill infantry in maps designed for vehicles.
>>716093539
I would prefer very strict class locks like BFV but since they are locking the classes like reddit's favorite BF(4) I would rather have open classes.

I hope they get rid of strafing causing massive spread, sounds good im theory but in practice it just promotes LMG niggery and cancerous tech like micro crouching

>>716059864
BF3 was much better than BF4.

>>716098748
BF3 leaned towards better infantry maps and gunplay
BF4 leaned towards better vehicle maps and vehicle play

I don't understand how people don't understand this in hindsight

>>716060846
it's all EA doing. DICE themselves only saw BF5 trailer 1 day before release because EA had to allow them to see it.

>>716061897
By the way this is how EA kills/lays off studios. They did the same thing with Dead Space 3. Now Im assuming they just want BF to be a warzone/fortnite copy and getting rid of DICE will be good for EA.

How are the maps that have been shown so far? Are they better than 2042's atrocious map layouts?

>>716057734 (OP)
Why don't they try hosting servers with no unlockables and see just how much better the games are when people aren't camping & being shitty player to get unlock stats up but playing the objective for once.

>>716069191
yes, they obviously want to shelve the franchise

>>716100348
Why doesn't EA just do it without the formalities of releasing an intentionally shitty game? I don't understand the logic where they hate their IP and want to kill it but they have to spend millions making the next iteration first just to piss everyone off.

>>716098748
Counterpoint: BF4 lets you play as infantry, tanks, and ifv without some frame-perfect 313 jet nigger stomping the lobby with no way to kill him

MAA and boats make conquest fun for everyone but airsissies

>>716093539
unironically git gud you fucking shitter

>>716099084
>bf4 vehicle gameplay
>look inside
>guided missile spam across the empty field map

>>716057734 (OP)
Dice, I will forgive everything, even buy it for $200
if you just:
>bring back Rush mod
>make GREAT maps
>remove women SCREAMING in the battlefield

>>716064101
SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK SCHLORK

hear that? that's you faggot

>>716101658
kek

>>716101626
I don't even care about women in the modern setting as long as they aren't trying to MANSCREAM all the time and they wear their armor and helmets and you can't even tell.

>>716101626
Remove women from the game entirely, only trolls and faggots who think they get a smaller hitbox play as them.

>>716101427
absolute jet-nigger gods were very rare. besides, i was good enough at shooting them down with my own jet if the situation called for it (i wasnt as good at strafing though).
much more preferable than bf4 where every faggot in a tank/ifv shits down your throat as an engineer all game with unfun maps and unfun guns.

>>716101832
>and they wear their armor and helmets and you can't even tell.
>He thinks we'll get faceless/generic characters in a post Fortnite world

I'm just going to keep playing BF1 Operations until modern battlefield can get it's shit together

>>716102925
Is that your custom character skin in BF1?

>>716103010
No that's my BFV skin. For BF1 I play as german negro

>>716059864
>dmrs are useless nobody uses them
Why do shitters always screech the loudest? Either that or you didn't play the game, at all

>>716062883
128 can be fun but it entirely depends on the lobby. A lot of the time it'll devolve into a big clusteruck of a stalemate in one area (or half) of the map
Other times, you'll have an absent enemy team whos decided to fuck off to the most obscure corners of the map and you'll be playing ring around the objectives with the one squad or two that's actually present
Tanks also suck in 128, both teams should have 2+ armor slots because they get vaporized by enemy armor because everyone runs engineer thanks to being able to pick whatever weapon you want

128 needs some adjustments but when it works it's really fun. Maybe 45 v45 or 50 v 50 would work better, with smaller "big" maps

>>716063052
dude assault in BF1 has the most OP primaries out of any class. Some of the telescoping LMGs are fucking stupid too

>>716057734 (OP)
>>716059864
this idea that BF is some kind of coop milsim is a continued LARP by manchildren.
BF has always been a game where the individual takes action and never needed the planned assistance of his team. it's people on a team all trying to have their own impact on the objective, and out of that chaos you could get what looked like cooperation. i have never ever seen my squad mates as anything other than spawn points, and never expected them to help me out.
this makes class specific weapons junk and unnecessary. it adds no complexity to the game or makes it interesting - it only limits individual play.

>>716063618
you're right but server browsers have their own issues
Namely a whole clan will park in there on one team and absolutely dominate. It's not so much of a problem with games with big populations but with bf4 and bf1 there's times where I just get off once some of these fags get on

>>716064483
one time I racked up like 94 kills solely rat sniping with Mackay; you could grapple up to obscure ice chunks people don't usually check and just sit there

>>716103645
>dude assault in BF1 has the most OP primaries out of any class.
Useless beyond first 20 meters unlike medic SLRs that can outsnipe snipers.

>>716062883
>>716103581
128 sucks simply because of tick rate. I don't want to play in mushy 20 hz servers which makes input lag even worse.

>>716083250
In 2042 little birds can take negligible damage from lmgs irrc
There's also a sniper rifle thats anti-materiel that can scare off the pilot but it's not a solution. Large caliber lmgs should be able to damage them more because I fucking hate little bird whores

>>716103939
I'm not sure what server you're playing on but the spread with medic guns fucks you over if the sniper is over 100 meters away

It's kind of crazy that battlefield has been able to keep flopping since 2016. And even though BF1 was successful and still has players to this day, it alienated the core fanbase

>>716086467
go play n64 4 player boring mode games

>>716102184
It's my dream, not saying it's realistic.

>>716104323
You just crouch and shoot.

>>716102184
>>He thinks we'll get faceless/generic characters in a post Fortnite world
if it doesn't have faceless/generic characters for online game. its not worth playing

>playlist
They just don't get it. They seriously don't get it.

>>716099084
If you think BF3 has better gunplay than BF4 you just plain don't know what you're talking about and anything else you say can be safely ignored.

>>716106324
They have the same gunplay. Difference is BF3 vehicles and maps weren't as bad as BF4. BF3 had goated CQC maps too unlike BF4.

>>716107629
This is exactly what I mean when I say you don't know what you're talking about.

>>716107951
I'm not the poster you replied to. BF3 has same gunplay as BF4 though. BF4 might have a bit less spread than BF3.

>>716103249
See>>716062913

This is basically asking "Which is worse, 80% of players using one gun, or 80% of players using Assault?" Theres no good choice.

>>716057734 (OP)
>Why not both?
Because it harms the game and you're only doing it because your suited overlords are demanding maximum skin-selling potential, you dumb fucks?

>>716110742
People are far more open to being 'disadvantaged' through playing a unique class playstyle than they are to not picking a meta weapon given the choice. In other words, people will choose locked. Its impossible for the average person to resist the allure of picking a meta weapon. But many people wouldnt play a specific class just to get it.

>>716110742
There is a good choice. It's called using the class system that is a fundamental component of what Battlefield is and if you don't want to play a class based game then go play something else.

>>716110742
I see more meta faggotry in BF4 than in 2042 desu. I almost always die to ACWR, AEK, some shotgun or other fast RPM ARs in BF4. In 2042 I die to random shit, even meme weapons such as crossbow. 80% people using one weapon with open class system is a myth. It's an issue of weapon balance more than class balance itself. Open weapons in fact helps better to balance this issue since devs can see which weapons are most used regardless of the class. People think they will get meta faggotry because they play CoD. But unlike CoD BF doesn't have SBMM so no need for meta faggotry. Also in a 32v32 game you don't need meta weapons to be successful. If I get a better position than you I will kill you with worst weapon in the game. Simple as.