Is this true?

>Are visual novels le dying??
No, they've been dead for a long time.

>[thing] gets made regardless of popularity
>[thing] becomes popular
>[thing] stops being popular
>"IS [thing] DYING AS A MEDIUM?"
It's far better for something you like leaving the mainstream than it is for it to enter it. Prove me right.

>>716067452 (OP)
One can hope

>>716067452 (OP)
I started buying them way less after the fad of chapter releases. Also all the major companies of yore switched to gacha and when they do releases they make them all ages/censor. I literally will never buy an âge game again

>>716067452 (OP)
is yuzusoft finally kill?

>>716068780
Without Steam, yes

Yes, they're in the same boat as RPGM games

Most succussful VNs have always had some porn sprinkled in, so in that sense they've always had one foot in the porn market. It's also what made them vulnerable in the same way RTS games were.

As market conditions changed, they had to focus more on one or the other. You now mostly have games marketed directly as porn or you have non-porn games hyper-focused on a gimmick.

Should I bother learning Japanese for vns or are all the good vns already translated?

>>716069047
Depends on your fetish/if you are playing them for porn. Most of the Black Cyc games aren't translated so if you are into bugs fuckin chicks then you better study

>>716067452 (OP)
I'm not watching your vid niga

>>716067452 (OP)
I read one chapter of Umineko back in the day. Not worth the time investment.

>>716069192
Well, not necessarily porn heavy, I'm talking great stories, vns like saihate no ima are hailed as the kamiestge and I want to see if that's worth the hype

>>716067452 (OP)
They are in gacha now

>>716069474
Black Cyc games also have the best stories. Everyone into VNs on here for years was learning Japanese to read Gore Screaming Show and now its on steam

>>716069289
Umineko is especially loooooong
But if you're functional enough to read a book, VNs are a good medium. Well, you'll just have to find the good ones I guess. Same with anime and everything else really.

>2.5K views
>4 weeks ago
the only thing dying is this mans youtube career

Visual novels will be truly dead when Majikoi A+ is translated and there is no more Majikoi content to read

>>716071805
Is demon tool still necessary to install majikoi S, or is there a alternative nowadays?

>>716068780
The last 4 or so of their VNs have been shit, and the new one doesn't look appealing. Hopefully they die soon

>>716069289
I read Steins;Gate up to the vegetables pregnancy shit before dropping it. Waste of time.

are they?

>>716068897
Good analysis anon. Smart posts rarely get (you)s so I'm giving you one.

>>716067452 (OP)
New vns still get released every year.

>>716067452 (OP)
the fact that every VN that is still talked about came out over 10 years ago tells me yes. When was the last big visual novel to come out?

>>716067452 (OP)
Fate/Grand Order still making billions and it sure as shit isn't for the crummy RPG bolted on.

>>716073280
>Furshit + faceless protagonist garbage
Posting shit like this ain't exactly doing yourself any favours

>>716075008
I beg to differ

>>716071607
My first youtube channel was "successful" because of algorithm fuckery. Too bad my content was always made for at most 3 friends, so I always get banned/terminated/warned every other year. that and video games are more fun to play than to edit

>>716067452 (OP)
I prefer ST.

>>716067452 (OP)
Yes unless my hero manages to save the medium

>>716069047
>vns or are all the good vns already translated?
Wikipedia
Kajiri Kamui Kagura was never translated

>>716076000
probably wouldnt let you put a game with the initials KKK on Steam either

>>716067452 (OP)
When was the last big visual novel?

Red Garden will save VNs, trust.

>>716072923
Modern windows can mount isos natively.

>>716076290

No shit, VNs peaked in 90s and early 00s

>>716076430
I can't wait for universe-shattering fight between Arcueid(solar system-sized) and Sacchin(forma 100% poder after fusing with Nero, moving faster than light itself) during the Hisui route, that's what Tsukihime was always about

*saves your genre*

On the Steam front page is New & Trending and Popular Upcoming and there is usually 1-3 visual novels being released or soon to be released daily so they seem to be doing fine to me

>>716077001
I like to think he got his giantess autism out of the way with the true ending
Can't wait for the Shiki&Vlov temporary alliance against Nero

>feel like downloading some eroge for once
>sukebei down
fuck

>>716076738
Really? Sounds like they added at least one useful feature to nuwindows.

Why isn’t Tsukihime Remake on Steam yet? And when is Fate/hollow ataraxia Remastered coming out?

>>716077072
Most of those aren't actual VNs but western tumblr shit larping as VNs

>>716067452 (OP)
No. But, point and click is unfortunately. VNs now get popular after some years. But, Nekopara did get a good amount of attention. They could of kept it up with more regular releases.
>>716076290
It's western made, but Slay the Princess?

>>716077182
>I like to think he got his giantess autism out of the way with the true ending
lmao

>>716067452 (OP)
VNs were never alive to begin with. Now that more people are getting into them and more eyes/more scrutiny is upon them, it's clarified just how awful the "great" VNs actually are.
VNs never had a truly great author to propel the medium to greatness, because any author who is actually worth a damn is too busy writing actual novels and printing money that way.

>>716076000
It's currently being translated

gacha games have taken over the niche.
it's like a VN that never stops unless the whales stop spending.

>>716068034
Snoot game and I wani hug that gator beg to differ.

>>716067452 (OP)
I wouldn't be surprised if the medium of mid-budget AA visual novels in Japan were dying off.
But with VNs easier than ever to make, the genre isn't going anywhere.

Though it is a bit worrisome that the biggest VN franchises, like Ace Attorney or Danganronpa, have been dormant for almost a decade each

>>716077182
You can very clearly tell apart which parts of the remake he had already written a decade ago and which ones were written more recently.
Nu-Nasu is going to go full retard and you know it.

>>716078463
I wani hug that gator is the last gasp

>>716067452 (OP)
I dunno the only VN I really ever liked and fully played are Wani Gator, Katawa Shoujo and Bible Black.

>>716078485
if the genre is stuck making eroge slop, is it really alive?

>>716075008
I wish those games were about just regular humans because the romance writing in them is top notch, but I'm just not some weird faggot who wants to fuck extinct reptiles

>>716078463
>I wani hug that gator
Don't even mention that blunder

>>716078664
Was it ever not just eroge slop?

>>716073292
Don't samefag

>>716078780
Steins Gate, Higurashi, Umineko. And if we start counting "Adventure" games then all of Ace Attorney, 999, Danganronpa. The genre was rich

>>716077234
then just hit one of the many chinkacy sites. 真红 小站 is one of them

>>716067452 (OP)
All VN writers are jumping ship to gacha these days. FGO basically gave everyone the idea.

>>716067452 (OP)
'fraid so

Let's see
>VN general over 7k thread count
>still basically identical to the first ten threads, the same VNs being discussed today, the same screenshots posted
I'd say it's pretty dead. I haven't seen anything noteworthy being released in a long time.

>>716077234
did something happen or is it just a temporary outage?

>>716075467
how do you even manage to get banned
do you just throw out the n word every single video or what

>>716067452 (OP)
no, but i think movie games have filled the role of just telling a story with visual aids.

>>716067452 (OP)

>>716067452 (OP)
No clue. There's enough old VN's that I've never payed attention to what's coming out now.

>>716067452 (OP)
no, but vns never recovered from light novels getting popular

>>716085076
>easier and more enjoyable to read because authors actually have to have good writing skills and can't skate by on chuuni ass meme words/rare shit no one can understand (there are exceptions of course)
>can pop out a linnie anywhere any time unlike a VN which you must be at your PC/at your console/in gaming mode even if you're playing on a portable machine
>cheap as chips because simple, printed media has no need to cost $70-100
>no dissonance between visuals and what is written because outside of a few token illus throughout a linnie, you are on your own for visualizing every moment and every scene
>can actually PHYSICALLY see when the LN is about to end unlike VNs which go on forever with no way to gauge how far along you are
The truth is, VNs never stood a goddamn chance. It's true that a solid 80% of LNs are slop but you're never stuck in the slop for very long before moving onto the next linnie or the next volume. With vinnies, you're fucked if what you're reading fails to captivate you for even a half hour.

>>716086014
If reading light novels will make me talk like a faggot too, then I better stick to my eroges.

>>716067452 (OP)
They've been dying since 2011 onward

>>716077343
>Why isn’t Tsukihime Remake on Steam yet? And when is Fate/hollow ataraxia Remastered coming out?
When FGO has a bad quarter and Nasu needs some extra revenue

>>716086460
I don't want to hear it. Readers gonna read.

>>716078463
pfffft ahaha

>>716081009
Interesting point of view. Also as mentioned in the thread, gacha games are way more profitable than VNs. I'd say Persona and murder mystery games like Danganronpa also come close. The western audiences took some note on what you can do with the medium with Doki Doki Literature Club and Slay the Princess.

I like the appeal of VNs when I'm in the correct mood. I'd recommend Utawarerumono, I think it employs many good VN cliches and the spirit of early 00's, which is now lost.

>click click click click
>text text text text
>no gameplay
They never were alive to begin with, not for me at least. I'll take indie rpgmaker game (japanese game, not westerner) over those "good art" adventure/vn games with no gameplay, anyday.

>>716069047
No, there are a bunch of famous old VNs that have never been translated. Go on VNDB, check out big VN companies, you'll see VNs from decades past with no translation and nobody working to translate them.

Or, for example, VNs that due to hardware limitations can only be partially translated. Amagami on PSP emulator can only be modified to have a few routes translated at a given time. If you want to switch to another route, you have to go and change files. Bit frustrating.

>>716087778
Visual novels aren't games, anon. They're novels with images and sounds. They never pretended to be anything else.

If a game uses rpgmaker system to walk around/check items, but has no combat but only dialogue/puzzles, is it still a visual novel?

>>716088005
I'm comparing them to other hentai games. RPGmaker and "action" (usually platformer) hentai games blow the fuck out of visual novels.

>>716085076
light novels suck compared to manga. all this exposition about the food, or the scene, or how someone is feeling when just 1-2 pictures illustrates everything the author prattles on about for a thousand words.

>>716088343
Not all VNs are eroge.

>>716068897
The most popular VNs aren't even pornographic.

will MTL/AI translation ever be good enough for japanese->english?

>>716088750
Yes. They already are for the most part.

>>716078727
>>716086807
Jealousy is unbecoming of you, anontachi

>>716067452 (OP)
There are good VNs being made, even EOVNs. But the standard JPVN is absolutely dying from two decades of recycled plots and tropes that the dedicated autists get violently upset when they aren't present.

Game development has gotten easier in many respects too, a team that could have made a VN in the 90s can likely put together an actual RPG today.

>>716088454
Well those I'm even less likely to play, lmao

>>716067452 (OP)
VN devs arent dying because VNs dont sell, they're dying because they all try to shit out gacha games which flop

no, they just moved to gacha

>>716088750
In 10 years maybe and if NVIDIA gives some crumbs for the masses in the form of plentiful VRAM. Translations aside, you already got the Sugoi/MingSHiba dude who just released a free LLM model of his Sugoi translator which translates pretty decently. The biggest issue for MTL is censorship (kinda solved by said LLM running locally on your computer if it's strong enough) and just as important: context. MTL needs hefty VRAM to remember if who a character is and what they're saying. Right now every single MTL still hallucinates and causes characters to switch genders all the time. It also can't remember what happened so eventually it'll get events and details wrong too. But if you're using a text hook and your MTL of choice, it's enough to finish and enjoy VNs I guess.

>>716089174
the writing of the average gacha is definitely worse than the writing of the average VN

>>716089154
If you're only measuring everything in pornographic value per second I'm not sure why you thought your opinion was worth enough to share

>>716089452
Because if you hadn't noticed, I'm not the only one in the thread that thought most VNs are porn/hentai themed. Maybe not many are playing VNs, but even less (nobody) are playing non-eroge VNs

>>716067452 (OP)
people associate these with creepy pedos, no one wants to be a visual novel player
playing modern mobile games like Genshin or LADS is a good ersatz with good gameplay and writing, and social well-adjusted men and women everywhere play those, so it's easy to discuss them and recommend other mobile games. Visual novel players are like linux users, they just look like pedos to normal people.

>>716067452 (OP)
The notion that a genre is "dead" is so retarded, everything grows and diminishes in popularity.
RTS games are still being made, same with mecha etc

>>716089564
>Visual novel players are like linux users, they just look like pedos to normal people
This. It doesn't help that "linu() tech tips" youtube channels "linux expert" turned out to become a tranny, and many normies also know this

>>716089549
>but even less (nobody) are playing non-eroge VNs
But many of the most popular and well-known VNs have no sexual content. Are you saying you've never heard of Steins;Gate or Danganronpa? Even Fate has barely any H-content.

>>716086014
>>716086014
>outside of a few token illus throughout a linnie
What the fuck are you doing anon?
Is this normal?
Am I so out of touch?

>>716086014
LNs can also be written by a single person; maybe the editor and the illustrator have some input, but they are mostly one-man projects someone can work while relaxing on a cafeteria or on the park.

VNs on the other hand are much more elaborate even without taking into account voice acting.
You need a
>director
>writer
>programmer
>illustrator
>composer

Sometimes people can do multiple roles if they are talented enough, but often you have multiple writers (Scenario, specific girl routes), multiple illustrators (Character design, CGs, Backgrounds) and even multiple composers.
So you're doing this relatively big project with a team of people that require coordination, just for players to drop your demo 10 minutes in.

I guess that's why western VNs generally opt for royalty free music, ugly Daz 3D shit and such, since making a VN is a monumental effort for less returns than simply writing a fucking book.

>>716089819
There may exist some non-eroge VN games, yes, but is anyone actually playing those? I mean if you're going to get the pedo label anyway like >>716089564 said, you might as well play the hentai version

>>716089290
Suddenly some monsters appeared!

>>716090027
>but is anyone actually playing those?
Considering 3 of the top 5 most reviewed VNs on vndb are the ones I named - yes, obviously

>>716078463
>Snoot game and I wani hug that gator
overrated furryslop only notable because they have decent writing compared to furry fanfiction and wegslop, but below average when compared to jap vns

>>716067452 (OP)
VNs as a medium were never all that huge anyways. It was always a genre that was more of less specific to Japan with the rest of the world getting crumbs through fan translations or official releases. The market will continue to live on within Japan for the foreseeable future, but the genre never had world-wide appeal will always be for a niche global audience.

>>716067452 (OP)
It's not an analysis if it's not 3 hours long

>>716090196
Sorry top 6 I mean

>>716089962
>You need a
>director
>writer
>programmer
>illustrator
>composer

You really need a writer, director and an artist or the money to contract a reliable one

In reality, there's probably one guy who is running the show + writing and/or doing art, then you contract the remaining roles.

>>716067452 (OP)
Yes they hit a slump as writers went on to work on other games then they started playing it ultra safe to avoid failed projects, now the market is flooded with AI jank and half the time you can't tell which are going to be good or not because they are fucking shit at marketing.

>>716090196
>>716090286
Do those scores carry value? Isn't that like trusting MAL scores? Do you go to reddit ask opinion on something? I get they're "average"s, they're just that, "average". Higher "average" doesn't necessarily mean something is actually good, right?

I will save visual novels!

>>716067452 (OP)
I only read moege so I'm fine.

>>716090475
I'm not saying highest rated. I'm saying most reviewed i.e. most played

At this point I kinda want more VNs that focus on a visual story than dating or porn. I know they exist, I've played a few, but it is telling when you say "VN", most people jump to one of two categories.

How tf can they keep telling the same story?

>>716090705
What's visual story? Something that goes into lengthy details about the surroundings, the wind, the trees? I think you might have to by some british book for that

>>716090747
the cattle fall for it every time

>>716090830
It's early in the morning so forgive my lack of coherency.
Just other genres of story to explore. I love fantasy VNs and ones that tell a story within a unique setting, with or without eroge elements, but when I try go get VN recommendations it is always eroge. I don't mind it too much, I just want to see some more variety and stories that aren't just about getting the girls. As I've said, I've read a few, but I want more.

>>716090502
Do it anon, I believe in you!

>>716090502
wait what, is that the batter from off?

>>716091024
Remember11

>>716091250
Neat, another one to add to the collection. Thanks anon.

>>716089962
I'm making VNs
I do the programming, writing, direction and game design (they're still VNs they just have raising sim and RPG elements too)
I hire 5 artists to work on my games, 2 for character design, 1 for mecha design, 1 for monster design and 1 for backgrounds
Sometimes the character designers will do a mech or monster for fun etc, they all contribute to the CGs
I hire 3 composers, 2 for different styles of music and one specifically for helping with vocal tracks
all of my games have made money, some more than others but I find it's reliable as long as you make something decent
If people drop your game 10 minutes in you're doing something fundamentally wrong like trying to appeal to a demographic that doesnt exist

>>716092357
>1 for mecha design
Ok anon you got me, shill your VN please.

>>716092357
do your vns have big anime boobies

>>716091186
The what from what?

>>716092357
I'm interested, post blog or something.

>>716068034
/thread