>Expecting developers to keep the servers for their games online forever

How is this reasonable to you?

It's not! That's the best part.

How is the reason to sell a product that can be removed at a moment's notice. Sounds like a skill issue bub.

I feel like bait this easy should be outlawed byt the EU

They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>You can't have put in this many hours of your time into this without being paid because... you can't!
>Also, we'll assume you are making 65k-145k euros over this in a year as well
What did the "anonymous" tip mean by this?

What the FUCK is wrong with him??

>>716099583 (OP)
They should pay for my internet connection too.

just
dont
buy
the
game
if
you
dont
like
their
practices

no need to legislate a luxury good you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking wallet.

>>716099805
>relates with a literal schizo

>>716099583 (OP)

>>716099728
You're not helping. You're mentally unwell. Copy somebodies post that has the correct number of chromosomes if you're looking for something to spam.

What Ross Scott has been doing is highly illegal and is grounds to getting the SKG initiative thrown out.
>exceeding the contribution amount of 500 euros by 125-295 times

>>716099907
this is extremely problematic and anti-semetic. TAKE IT DOWN GOY. YOU ANTI-SEMITE!

>>716099583 (OP)
>Expecting developers to keep the servers for their games online forever
How are you so stupid you still don't realize everyone knows about local hosting?

>>716100000

>>716099876
>relates
rat-man is literally his self insert dude, he wrote the character

>>716100068

>>716100051
Um bro?
Where's your locally hosted Fortnite server?

>>716099583 (OP)
Only retards fall for this shit. No one with a brain supports this stupid garbage.

>>716100068
it's volunteer work. he wasn't hired nor got paid by anyone you moron

>>716100000
>>716100068
>50-75 euros an hour
How out of touch was this "tipster"?
Also notice how the euro sign is before the amount instead of after... hmmm...

>>716099728
>and I'm afraid it's actually working
it's not
they are irrelevant and will be ignored.

>>716100175
why not

>>716100068
May i see these major contributions?

>>716099864
>no need to legislate a luxury good
Shalom!

>>716099728
They're trying to make both sides hate SKG
>If you support SKG, you are a fucking commie and tranny worshipper!
>If you support SKG, you don't care about the livelihoods of Indies of marginalized communities like LGBT, racial minorities and people suffering from disabilities.

>>716099864
Uhm, no, I don't want to vote with my wallet, I want to vote with my vote, I want legislation.

>>716100198
>Also notice how the euro sign is before the amount instead of after
Yes?
Not everywhere is Germany

SKG fans claim to fight for justice, but there’s no justice in demanding indie devs work for free, release IP, and maintain servers forever. That’s not preservation, it’s exploitation wrapped in gamer entitlement.

>>716100206
Because it's work and doing work for free is for stupid people.

>>716099583 (OP)
thanks for reminding me, just asked my uncle to sign it

>SKG = Renewable energy, Vaccines, gay rights and Communism
>Anti-SKG = Fossil fuels, Real men, freedom and independance, Capitalism
I know which side I'm choosing

Can we get all of the usual copypastas in this thread?

>>716100371
You missed the memo bro, SKG is a chuddy movement now that it has Pewds and Asmongold

>>716099805
It's incredibly funny seeing the left, who calls themselves anticapitalist and anti establishment fall for every single one of their tricks time and time again.
We can already see the context shift happen in real time, it's so fucking sad.

>>716100350
what work is being done for free

>>716100147
being locally hosted by the developer.

>>716099583 (OP)
>I know what will convince people of my opinion, maybe up retarded bullshit that everyone knows is patently false!
Has this ever actually worked?

>>716100290
(You)

>>716099583 (OP)
You JUST had a thread for this get archived with 500 replies and you immediately make a new one.
Why the fuck? Mods need to just ban this shit on sight for spamming at this point, for fucks sake.

>>716100501
(You)s are his only accomplishment in life.

>initiative asks for games to not be literally unlaunchable after official support is ended and to allow individuals to host servers
>contorted into "THEY LICHERALLY WANT CUMPANEEZ TO SUPPORT SERVERS FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER AND MAKE A SINGLE PLAYER OFFLINE CAMPAIGN FOR EVERY GAME AN"
Hatr

>>716100482
If you're loud and persistent enough it might confuse the masses.

>>716099864
>NO!!! I NEED DADDY GOVERNMENT TO DO THINGS FOR ME INSTEAD!! FUCK YOU!!

>>716100436
>Everything I don't agree with must be a copypasta!
Contribute to the discussion of fuck off.

>>716100443
thats because they are largely communists, and communists are always either rich fucks looking to play pretend, the losers that follow the rich fucks playing pretend, or ambitious fucks looking to be the rich fuck all the losers follow.

>>716100462
Promoting the initiative, people get paid to advertise things this way, you know, not a lot but still.

>>716100260
Voting for communism isn't the win you think it is.

>>716100539
>BUT WHY ISNT HE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER THING???
Concern trolls should hang themselves

>>716100571
nice pasta, but its a bit short.

>>716099583 (OP)
they just want companies to hand over the files needed to host the servers to the people who bought the game
this used to be standard industry practice for every multiplayer game release

>>716100552
Why are you a manchild who can't just move on to something else the moment your precious fantasy escapism simulator closes down?

>>716100650
Shouldn't have made that my only option.

>>716099583 (OP)
>>Expecting developers to keep the servers for their games online forever
Either that or go to prison forever.
You're choice.

>>716100580
Sounds like the trump cult to me.

>>716100650
nice try, commie.

>>716100443
>one of their tricks time and time again.
>gamergate staples like Assmongoloid, Ross Rat Dungeon and poopeepie supporting it is "one of their tricks"!
lmao

>>716100597
so you think that nobody with a brain would support a net positive change if they aren't getting paid to?

>>716100695
>they just want companies to release private code and information relating to the game
ah yes. as if nothing bad could come out of that.

>>716100701
No, the only option you should be considering is voting with your wallet, learning self-control and not buying shitty games.

>>716100725
>and just like that, the mask slips off!
commies mad

>>716100539
>banning pedos
If by this you mean butchering political speech that a vocal terminally online mob of HR trannies flings shit at while ignoring pedophiles on their political side (see: Discord), sure. I'll take freedom of expression and a small minority of disgusting people over a tranny-controlled internet which will have more and better protected pedophiles anyway

>>716100708
>go to prison forever.
Bump it up to being publicly executed.

>>716100798
Not interested. Shouldn't have made me need to vote at all.

>>716100701
you have the option to just not fucking buy the game you retarded animal

>>716100698
>refusing to constantly buy new things is childish now

>>716100797
oh no they're going to see the code of the game we are no longer even making money on, this is very bad for some reason!

>>716100695
You don't have a license for the middleware, sorry bro, you can have the server files but that's all you get, you'll need to get a license for the Havok physics engine from Intel

>>716100863
>>716100884

>>716100863
>buys shitty games
>decides to make it everyone else's problem
All this would do is make games more expensive and increase taxes.

>>716100884
>buying the game
WOAH WOAH WOAH
I thought he was buying a service.
Corpoanon, you shouldn't fuck up like this, you might get fired!

>>716100884
no i don't

>>716100938
see
>>716100884
>>716100940

>>716100884
see
>>716100863

>>716100903
But what if one day we decide to start making money off it again by rereleasing it? Having the original be available for free would create serious competition.

>>716100698
What happened to this board? It was always pretty bad, but not to the point of the same individuals spamming the exact same porn and near exact same phrases like this at every opportunity. What do they get out of ruining the board?

>>716100863
see >>716100884

>>716100986
If we are actually buying the game, isn't taking it away STEALING from us, corpoanon?

>>716101038
money.

>>716101036
good

>>716099805
Man that guy's bsky is pathetic. It's 50% "old man yells at cloud", 50% "ppl still posting on twitter, I hope ur happy ur normalizing ICE raids", and he posts *very* regularly.

>>716100940
>decides to make it everyone else's problem
Yes, and I will use my legal rights to make it everyone else's problem. Shouldn't have made me need to vote.
>All this would do is make games more expensive and increase taxes.
Those terms are acceptable.

>>716099583 (OP)
shut up Thor. You know that's not what it's about.

>>716101038
guerillamarketingteamfromindia.jpg

>>716101115
you can just not buy the game, are you fucking retarded? your vote is actually worthless. even an illegal immigrant would have more of a worth in their vote than you.

>>716100940
you could save money by not hiring excessive amounts of trannies to shit up your games.
just hire people that can actually develop and code.

>>716101063
Not interested in needing to research more into what the game is before i buy it.

>>716101220
>not interested in doing the bare minimum
>i just want daddy government to tell me what to believe and feel
you are literal cattle.

>>716099805
>1 retweet on bluesky
>24 retweets on /v/
What the fuck is wrong with YOU?

>>716101205
SAAAAAAR we are not supposed to say they are buying games this is a service
Rajesh you bastard I am reporting you to Apu!

>>716099583 (OP)
>How is this reasonable to you?
But it's not. That's why I don't support the movement.

>>716100921
>clicks dedicated server.exe
what you gonna do about corpy?

>>716101205
see
>>716101220

>>716099805
he is a writer that thinks he is smart and funny, but also he is working on a live service game and he took Ross's outrageous demand of "consumer rights" personally. Americans just be like that.

Imagine pretending to give a shit developer or publisher feelings when they have done nothing but shat on people who play games for more than a decade.
"Not my problem" goes both ways.

>>716101205
If the votes are so inconsequential then why should you care? If so it's a complete nothingburger not worth your attention, right?

First thing I'm doing when I ascend to power is finding every discord server hosting 4chan board raids and killing the members on national TV

>>716101317
see
>>716101205

>>716100698
Why are you so against letting people keep what they paid for?

offline 4chan when?

>>716101294
it won't launch, you need the middleware, physics is calculated server-side.
go get your license for Havok from Intel.

>>716101385
SAAAR DO NOT
STOP YOA GIVE THEM LEGAL GROUNDS TO SAY OUR EMPLOYER STOLE THEIR GAMES!

>>716101378
cause you're being a retarded obnoxious faggot that spams this on every single website

>>716101385
You're gonna be 80, dying, and alone one day, and this will be your legacy. Annoying people trying to enjoy a forum. Enjoy your legacy

>>716100539
He can't do everything for you, Anon.

>>716101274
The bare minimum is seeing if the gameplay of the game interests me. Anything else is too much and creating a problem for me.
Much like piracy decreased once people started making streaming services, because if you want me to go to the store to buy a movie, I will just pirate it instead.

>>716101036
Guess you'll have to make a remake that actually presents a better experience than the original then.

>>716101472
>he says, after posting and/or contributing to the useless garbage that is OP

>>716099805
>chetsucks
Heh.

ignoring the problem perpetuates the problem

>>716101472
Being mad about it isn't going to stop that.

>>716099728
I'll get called a glowie. But hypothetically, why don't we just double down on the gamergate crap? Really scare these faggots out of the industry by being bigger and scarier boogiemen?

>>716101410
why are you so for annoying me by spamming your handicapped manchild petition on every conceivable website in existence?

>>716101049
Doesn't matter what's on the box. A week is not a reasonable amount of time for a purchased game to be usable for

>>716100884
If you don't like SKG just don't sell your game in the EU. It's not hard.

>>716100695
>this used to be standard industry practice for every multiplayer game release
No it wasn't. Plenty of MMOs, doors, BBS, MUDs, and such never did this sort of thing and it certainly wasn't standard at all.

>>716100260
> I want to vote with my vote
Good luck with that. Popular things get something closer to 1-5% passed legislation. Things the a lot of the top 1% want get closer to 40-50%.
If you're not voting with the biggest wallet, you aren't voting.

>>716101623
>Doesn't matter what's on the box
>T-the contract of sale for the service doesn't matter!
lol

>>716099864
You're telling the wrong crowd this, retard

Everyone that is pretending to agree with Thor is either trolling or really, really fucking stupid and can't grasp what a false equivalence is, or parse straight up fabrications from reality. This thread is a waste of time and so is replying to it
>but you-
Let me be a hypocrite in this moment

>>716100260
>i can't control myself and my own impulses so the government should just do that fort me instead by creating retarded laws i don't even understand how they work myself

>>716099583 (OP)
It's not. I want them to be forced to do it and then go out of business and exit the industry.

>>716101385
Not enough, I don't want to have to be bothered by needing to research more than what the gameplay is and even if I did, I would still want the legislation so that in case it's a game I liked the gameplay of I could still play it.

>>716101807
>i want to not have any new games coming out anymore because i'm a spiteful retarded faggot

>>716101776
no we just control our impulses in a more productive manner and just stop you doing it.

>>716101776
This is a troll post. This guy is trolling, in the proper use of the word. Fucking with people to get a reaction. Ignore it. Just report this thread

>>716101859
I don't want any new games from people that were shutting down their servers anyway. Maybe Ubisoft will go out of business and sell all their good IPs to someone more competent. Even if they don't, it doesn't matter, they weren't worth playing under modern Ubisoft anyway.

>>716100290
Good. The industry can suffer for turning itself into what it is now

>>716101036
If you wanna make money off of a re-release, then make it a good re-release. It's almost like people are willing to pay money for quality shit.

>>716100443
that's the biggest irony. lgbtrannies and other scummy leftard snowflakes are willing to do anything, including shooting themselves in the foot and siding with the greediest money-pinching corpos, if it means they'll get to "own the chuds." it's both hilarious and sad to see how far and how eager they're to cut off their noses to spite their faces

>>716101882
>my productive manner is to bitch and cry and yelling like a little child and demanding laws be put in place to force others to do something i couldn't because i lack the self control to just not engage with stuff i don't like

>>716101776
Even if I don't buy the game, it still doesn't address the issue that I now have to spend more time researching each game, so I will still go with legislation because that is just easier.

>>716099864
Just don't break the EU law, retard :)

>>716101776
>>716101996
>stop being an adult and using the legal system!
>why cant you just scream and trash your surroundings like we do every time a nigger kills himself or a mexican rapist gets deported?!

>>716102063
you don't even know what the European law is you retarded American

We already know companies send agents to 4chan to change the narrative and it's really obvious this guy replying in greentext in all lowercase every time his post cooldown is up is one of them.

>>716102090
>being an adult is when i overreact and cry to the government demanding they enact laws to further benefit my manchild hobby instead of just moving on with life and finding something else more productive to spend my time on

>>716101996
it's faster to just regulate you and make you cope, piss, shit and cry :)

>>716102090
You're a manchild. Just move on. MOVE ON.

>>716100798
>voting with your wallet
Buying votes is the definition of corruption

>>716099583 (OP)
that's not what the initiative is about you retard

Just look for the green lowercase i to spot the samefag
Way too much effort to be a genuine opinion

>>716102057
>wasting the governments time creating a new law and legislation that will take months, up to years to properly enact and enforce is easier than just controlling myself from not interacting with things i don't like
YOU ARE CATTLE

>>716102120
Unfair Commercial Practices Directive
Consumer Rights Directive
Digital Content Directive
General Data Protection Regulation
e-Commerce Directive


Better tell your boss to start hosting that server

>>716100940
This only effects the shitty games you don't care about. There's nothing to lose

>>716099583 (OP)
I am not very versed on this topic, but I know you're wrong.

The Stop Killing Games guys doesn't want anyone to run their servers forever. They want game producers to give people the source code after they plan to EoS the game, that way if anyone wants to they can make their own server for the game.

>>716102242
fuck off with your disinformation campaign

We never should have stopped at six million

What was the game that you couldn't save?
Overwatch 1 for me. It was a shit game, but it was MY shit game damn it.

Why can't anyone make a good faith argument in favor of what SKG stands to accomplish? everyone is just using this as a stepping stone issue to force their own personal agenda

>>716100181
Work has value whether you get paid for it or not. Doing what he's doing has a hefty wage even if he's not collecting it. No matter how you look at it or try to spin it, he broke the law. This is not the will of the people and goes against the spirit of the entire process.

>>716099864
Doesn't work because the most you can do is vote $0, which doesn't offset the retards who vote $1000 because they have more money than IQ.
advocating "voting with wallet" is like insisting a pure democracy works.

>>716099583 (OP)
Good point. Give us dedicated servers like developers used to do!

>>716102318
you are seething

>>716102327
>"ChatGPT, please tell me what are the European laws this post in question refers to so I can own the OP."

>>716102318
>wasting the governments time creating a new law and legislation that will take months, up to years to properly enact and enforce is easier than just controlling myself from not interacting with things i don't like
yeah, cause it ain't me who is doing all of that and later on I just reap the benefits.

>>716102417
So I can sabotage any political campaign like that, by doing voluntary work behind their back?

>>716099864
I agree, but people are fucking idiots and developers should be FORCED to legally sell these FUCKING RETARDS a product that will last as long as they can USE THEIR OWN HARDWARE TO RUN IT.

>>716100797

>>716102436
you are coping

>>716102456
>"i am proud of being a literal parasite."

>>716102448
Now you can ask chat gpt how to counter what I said, sister. Go on.

>>716102417
That's not what the law says, he didn't get paid for it = he didn't break the law.

>>716102508
why should you be forced to do the bidding of literal retards??

>>716102576
Don't like it? Just vote with your vote.

>>716101721
If the law says it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
What's wrong, can't vote for laws with your wallet like you can in America?

>>716102456
What if a company promises they'll release a patch to make a game run offline but then they take the money, run and shut down their servers, leaving a game in an unplayable state?

>>716102576
you gachashitters are parasites on the economy. you should be ashamed of spending money on virtual clothes

>>716102659
you are cattle who can't control itself.

>>716102671
Then they get sued, simple as.

>>716102652
Because scammers and scumfucks are just as bad

>>716102736
Who will be sued and by whom? The company doesn't exist anymore.

>>716102318
>wasting the governments time
what's the issue

>>716102671
PLAP PLAP PLAP GET FINED GET FINED GET FINED.

Since when did this board become so pathetic that the users here have absolutely nothing else going on with their lives or hobbies outside of playing video games that they need to quite literally pearl clutch over this type of shit?

>>716102720
Shouldn't have made it my problem.

>>716102720
>coming from the guy seething this whole thread

>>716102706
>spends all his money on pointless shit
>parasite on the economy
In what way?

>>716102456
“Voting with your wallet” not working in real life has been explained like 800 times already, Raj.
Also shouldn’t you be on /tv/ shilling for Zack Snyder right now?

>>716102805
Your mother will be sued by my cock for having given birth to a retarded faggot like you that is a shame upon my bloodline.

so anyone else enjoying the drama slop from this? particularly about that fellow pirategames, that dude turns out to be a furry, with a personality disorder who fakes his voice and basically went from streamer of the year to lolcow

>>716102831
see >>716101205

>>716102671
>run but the company still exists
they get fined by the government and sued by consumers
>run and the company doesn't exist anymore
they get arrested for fraud by the government and sued by consumers

>>716102958
>>716101205
see >>716102875

>>716102958
Do you buy these shitty online only games? Why do you care if they get regulated out of existence?

>>716102671
Death, I'm afraid.

>>716102958
Don't care, I'd rather solve it by legislation because it's easier for me in the long term.

>>716103043
see >>716100884

>>716099728
>>716099805
>>716100443
Fun fact, I got banned last time I pointed this spammer out for spamming every SKG thread.
Will point it out again because fuck mods and janitors who nuke these threads only when they aren't filled of lobby shills pushing left vs right shit even when everyone except corpo sphere supports SKG.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/4xmlDpi_x6IT4GXbkBut-g/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/Q5sNcusBNRgQE2RzTioIjA/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/owrJeUPYkVJFsWEPyWj2AA/

See you all in 3 days.

>>716103019
neither of those will happen though

>>716102805
>dissolving your company to get away with not adding a few lines of code and sharing the server.exe file
Seems like a lot to sacrifice for something like this, the gigajews like squeenix and ubisoft sure won't go that route.

>>716099864
So, the answer is to buy no video games.

>>716103079
See >>716102875

>>716103068
>it's easier for me to the governments time creating a new law and legislation that will take months, up to years to properly enact and enforce than it is for me to control myself from buying FOTM dogshit

>>716103120
I think I can find plenty of examples of people breaking the law and getting arrested or fined for it though

>>716103179
see
>>716100698

>>716102201
>>716102204
>seething this hard
kek

>/v/: big government
>/v/: bootlickers
>/v/: government overreach enthusiasts
>/v/: we need more regulations on video games
>/v/: I love the long dick of the law
>/v/: the EU should control vidya forever

>>716103105
SKG fags are so desperate they are false reporting our anti-SKG memes
hahahahaha
just ack bro

>>716103105
>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/owrJeUPYkVJFsWEPyWj2AA/
>>716100443
so are all political themed posts just ai bots shitting up this board?

>>716099583 (OP)
Woah that sounds based, where do I sign?

>>716103294
Isn't that more YOUR thing?
Why did you guys get so defensive when reminded about how your tantrums trashing cities for no reason got nothing done?

>>716100539
Whataboutism

>>716103135
So you spin the risky projects off into ghost companies

>>716103105
Seriously, what the fucknis wrong with mods in /v/? Are they actually paid by the gaming industry to allow this?

>>716103276
NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
I NEED MY LOLI HENTAI TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO ME TO JERK OFF TO
I CANNOT JUST MOVE ON TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH MY LIFE
I MUST JEKR OFF FOR THE REMINDER OF IT AND FOREVER PLAY GAMES I WANT

>>716103185
Yes, it is just more convenient and easier for me to force publishers to do not that than having me do extra research on each game to decide if should buy it or not.

>>716103220
It's not the law though

>>716099728
This is a botted spam post
>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/4xmlDpi_x6IT4GXbkBut-g/

>>716103356
It's weird, pro-skg threads seem to get randomly deleted while anti-skg stays up with low effort copypastas and/or bait content. Those pro-skg threads even sometimes have people who disagree with it but can be talked with in a reasonable manner to make for an interesting debate. I don't get it myself.

>>716103417
That's why we're trying vote with our votes to make it the law.

>>716099864
Get new material, Raj
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/no%20need%20to%20legislate%20a%20luxury%20good%20you%20fucking%20morons/

>>716103348
But anon that's fraud!

We can save gaming if we let the EU control it

>>716103391
>i'm a retarded low-impulse faggot
>everyone should bow down to my whims
you're quite literally nothing and worthless to all around you.

>>716103254
See >>716102875

>>716099583 (OP)
A) That's not what's being asked for
B) I don't care, do it you fucking corpo or don't make a game that needs servers

>>716103540
Not my problem.

>>716103527
no, you don't understand.
governments having more control over things is actually a good thing now, as long as it serves my interests.

>>716103105
>when everyone except corpo sphere supports SKG.
If your movement were good it wouldn't need bad faith actors like yourself gaslighting and shilling

>>716100921
>I-I can't, I (deliberately) used middleware that I can't distribute!
Uh oh, how Unfortunate. Here's your 1,000,000,000,000 Euro fine for breaking EU law.

DADDY EU SAVE ME MY SLOPPIEST VIDEO GAMES ARE IN DANGER

>>716103591
You are everybody else's problem when they have to support your NEET fat ass.

>>716103667
Which isn't my problem.

>>716103683
It will be soon enough you worthless miserable lard of fat.

>>716100272
And not every country is Dutch/Dutch part of Belgium
>The same rule applies in Dutch, Irish and Maltese. In all other official EU languages the order is reversed; the amount is followed by a hard space and the euro sign: une somme de 30 €
Entirety of Europe minus the dutch and irish parts put the currency sign behind the number.

>>716099583 (OP)
Just let people make dedicated servers again.

Nobody asked for company-run servers specifically because of this issue and because it is only used to police the game and sell cosmetics.

THEY made it this way, not the consumer.

>>716103636
>I am fining you for having a legal license agreement with someone else
ok bro, keep LARPing.
You'll be able to come up with the legislation that penalizes this, I'm sure. Go on, ask Grok to help you out.

>>716103450
read the reply chain dummy

when do I get overwatch 1 back?

>>716103640
>>716103540
>>716103185

man you're seething

>>716103794
Not retroactive so too bad.

>>716103276
>/v/: doesn't play video games
>/v/: is fine with video games being turned off

>>716103769
Why do you need dedicated servers?
Just move on.

>>716103449
>pro SKG threads: discusses drama between ecelebs
>anti SKG threads: discusses SKG
That's probably why. Hope your bouncy castle eceleb party was fun in the moment but the petition is over, and your drama is off topic. If you want to discuss SKG the olive branch is in your hand and always was.

>>716103873
>discusses

>>716103640
Who is that guy on the top? Vegeta has never been that tall before.

>>716103769
You deliberately left your game in an unplayable state, that's a fine. Too bad for you, absolutely dogshit developer.

>>716103735
I think I will just take my chances and make things more convenient for me regardless.

>>716103767
see
>>716103860

>>716103491
Why? He's right

>>716103763
>The same rule applies in Dutch, Irish and Maltese. In all other official EU languages the order is reversed; the amount is followed by a hard space and the euro sign: une somme de 30
You should post the full quora post you got this from:
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-euro-symbol-go-ahead-of-the-number-300-or-behind-it-300-I-always-write-it-the-second-way-but-Im-not-sure-Im-right

The EU style guide dictates the currency symbol comes first

>Mods panic deleted the corpo bot posts the moment I called them out for keeping them up
Funny. Usually even nsfw stays up longer

>>716103851
i mean, yeah. that is quite literally what signing this petition is going to do. kill off video games.

>>716099583 (OP)
>expecting retards and shills to understand/be honest about what they're discussing

How is this reasonable to you?

>>716103924
Evidence that the use of the physics engine was deliberate?
You have some, I'm sure.
Definitely not because it speeds up development to license a ready made engine as opposed to developing your own.

>>716102417
>Doing what he's doing has a hefty wage even if he's not collecting it
Then where's the money?

The "we ran out of the license with a third party" makes no sense to me.
I can load up an older Need for Speed game right off the disc with all of the copyrighted music no problem. I can load up a game using Havok from a company that no longer uses Havok, yet I can still play it.

>>716100597
So?

>>716104002
>discussing
?? it's literally just a bunch of manchildren yelling at the top of their lungs and stomping their feet in the ground demanding they be given lifelong support for games instead of growing up and moving on to do something else with their lives.

>>716103934
Don’t you have to shill Zack Snyder films on /tv/, Raj?

>>716099864
just
write
prominently
on
the
box
or
storefront
that
the
game
will
be
shut
down

They're dishonest fucks who rely on the universal idea that you are PURCHASING something that you can keep. They know if they were specific and clear about it they'd lose sales.

>>716104062
Intangible goods. Labor value. Ever heard of it you stupid guck?

>>716104020
Should've used a different service that allows for redistribution. Or argued for it. Or did it yourself. But you chose not to do any of these (presumably because you tried to kill your game deliberately), and left your game in an unplayable state in the process, which is a violation of the law.
Please pay your 1,000,000,000,000 fine now, shitty developer.

KILL VIDEO GAMES
CRUSH VIDEO GAMES
DESTROY ALL VIDEO GAMES

>>716104109
Yeah as if the concept of discontinued games don't exist.
Alpha Protocol was removed from the store front but you can still download the
games from Steam just fine.
GTA games actually have the excuse of needing to keep selling them but couldn't be able/arsed to extend the music license.

>>716101115
>All this would do is make games more expensive and increase taxes.
>Those terms are acceptable.
Kind of a weird thing to say if you're claiming to be part of a "pro-consumer" initiative.

>>716104160
careful, that much straw can catch fire

>>716100985
How do you figure?

kill video games, behead video games, roundhouse kick video games into the concrete, slam dunk a video games baby into the trash can, crucify filthy video games, defecate into video games food, launch video games into the sun, stir fry video games in a wok, toss video games into active volcanoes, urinate into video games's gas tank, Judo throw video games into a wood chipper, twist video games heads off, report video games to the IRS, karate chop video games in half, curb stomp pregnant video games, trap video games in quicksand, Crush video games in the trash compactor, liquify video games in a vat of acid, eat video games, dissect video games, exterminate video games in the gas chamber, stomp video games skulls with steel-toed boots, cremate video games in the oven, lobotomized video games, mandatory abortions for video games, grind video games fetuses in the garbage disposal, drown video games in fried chicken grease, vaporize video games with a raygun, kick old video games down the stairs, feed video games to alligators, slice video games with a katana, beg the EU to regulate video games out of existence

Why are people who never had any experience working in the industry or an a video game trying to dictate how things should be done in it?

You don't know what would take to actually implement your demands or how feasible they would even be to have in. You don't know how it needs to be sold and everything in order to actually make a profit. Yet you somehow think you're able to just dictate how things you don't understand should work.

>>716103185
Sure, waiting doesn't take any effort.
Easy

>>716104309
Not really. The game staying functional forever to me sounds like a higher quality product, not different from a higher quality tool being more expensive.

>>716104374
BASED BASED BASED BASED

>>716104234
>Should've used a different service that allows for redistribution. Or argued for it. Or did it yourself. But you chose not to do any of these (presumably because you tried to kill your game deliberately), and left your game in an unplayable state in the process, which is a violation of the law.
Cite the law.
You are compelling people to do business a certain way, which is actually illegal
Freedom to Conduct a Business (Charter of Fundamental Rights – Article 16) and Article 102 TFEU, forbidding coercion into certain types of contracts.

microtransactions destroyed the industry. Gaben has a lot to answer for.

>>716104405
Gamers have spent hours playing every type of game. Most people in the industry only know one tiny aspect of it and it functions like an assembly line. None of them can actually see the bigger picture, unlike the people who actually play video games and understand them.

>>716104185
As opposed to shilling SKG? I'll do neither, thanks.

>>716100175
My only concern is that it creates more bureaucracy for small developers.
Otherwise it's reasonable. Customer protections are important.
I'm more of a libertarian myself, but we live in a society where the law is up our ass at all times anyway, and often at the behest of corporations. As far as laws go, protecting us from exploitation from said corporations is very worthwhile.

>>716104361
because i'm a low IQ subhuman that lacks self control. i'm a literal slave to my whims, urges and temptations and i will not do anything to actually improve. i just want to give in to them every single time then later bitch and moan about it and make it someone else's problem but my own.

>>716104229
Are you trying to contrive some kind of anti-competitive behavior argument against a guy for publishing his opinion? There's no goods involved here. Your assessment of the value of his labor doesn't beholden him to anything.

>>716104405
I work in a software role and do quite a bit of server/networking stuff as well, currently posting while taking a dump.
You fucking apes have no clue and think everything is impossible because you don't want to put in the smidgen of effort the rest of the software world has to.

>>716104469
the "bigger picture" doesn't make, finish nor sell the game

>>716104431
A lack of high-end expensive products isn't what most of the so-called consumer class is concerned about.

>>716104405

>>716104405
If I have the power to make you creating the games the way I like, why wouldn't I use it?
If you're mad about it, too bad.

>>716104447
You aren't allowed to do business with an engine manufacturer to put an engine in your car that doesn't meet regulations.

>>716100000
>>716102417
Nice try.

>>716100220
Dealing with dishonest shills and bad actors is just a way if life now. We're moving into a future where most people will be able to spot that shit a mile away because they never fucking stop

>>716104554
get the fuck back to your coding cage you slave monkey

>>716103873
How is copy-paste spamming of same pics and replies in every thread for flamewar and idpol bait "discussion"? Please do tell me.

>>716104602
higher-end doesn't mean high end, in this case, it's above the low quality unsafe stuff that needs to be banned.

>>716100290
Good thing it's not demanding that then, filthy shill.

>microservice and 3rd party cloud SaaS bloat tards cant release dedicated servers anymore
your company deserves to fail, I just signed the petition 3 more times

>>716104625
It's not volunteering if you're making money from it. Whether that's from Patreon, people buying your merchandise, getting additional ad revenue on your videos, etc. At that point it's a for-profit venture and the law applies whether or not you understand it, cretin.

>i cant play the crew anymore
>reeeeee
you can literally play the crew 2

>>716104608
>Use case for killing games?

>>716100552
They are intentionally lying, and the only thing you can do about that is to insult and hate them.

>>716104613
Non-sequitur, that is not a provision of a service.
Article 16 CFR protects a company's right to choose business models, whether they be perpetual, SaaS, support contracts etc.

>>716104608
You don't have the power to do anything since your first instinct is to go cry to the government to regulate things and enforce them for you because you're retarded.
If you truly had any power of your own, you'd organize together and cause companies to go bankrupt by simply just not purchasing the dogshit they put out.

>>716104405
>implying the games industry is some kind of meritocracy

>>716104554
Go work on that dedicatedserver.exe of yours
Chop chop

>>716103438
This >>716099864 too

>>716100350
It's just due diligence to ensure you're not stealing from your customers. We all have to do plenty of unpaid work to comply with bureaucracy, not to mention having to pay taxes. This isn't anything special or egregious.

>hey guys we should make the law consider video games as a service instead of a good
>this will be a win for gaymmers everywhere

>>716104705
It's volunteering. He is not getting paid for doing it.

>>716099583 (OP)
Don't be a disingenuous jew thats not what skg is about, but you already know that kike rat

>>716104740
but doing it this way generating the most amount about seethe out of you and I'm happy with it

>>716100371
Uhhhh I can't find any of that mentioned in the FAQ bro

>>716104772
here's dedicatedserver.exe
now go get your license for the middleware
Our game had a $30m budget, so you'll need to contact them for a service license.

>>716104740
we have the power to make you cry apparently

>>716104635
>>716104772
>Post is about how no one has industry experience and can't say how hard/easy something is
>Respond to it with the fact I do have experience
>"Go back to your cagie wagie"
Doublespeak shills get put on the rape list.

>>716104812
I mean, when's the last time you actually got them as physical disks? Most shit is just "borrowing" it via a virtual license, so of course it's a service now, not a good since you don't physically own anything that would be considered a "good".

>>716104812
Closing the "license" loophole is specifically what this initiative is about.

>>716104670
That's a loaded question that I won't respond to.

>>716104682
>low quality unsafe stuff that needs to be banned
Wtf is this rhetoric? It's like you think video games are made with high fructose corn syrup or something. Fraud is what SKG is meant to deal with, not whatever nonsense you're on about.

>>716104872
You mean the license that already comes with the games that I already own and bought?

>>716104740
The government is how you do things in civilized society. If you go around throwing poop at CEOs and their shills (e.g. you) the government will shut you down.

>>716104727
You aren't allowed to do business with a contractor who isn't qualified to provide a service to certify something as safe.

>>716104705
If someone is on government bux, but also volunteers, is he being paid by government to do that volunteer work?

>>716104908
all the more reasons not to sign it

>>716104229
You can weasel all you want but by the letter of the law he is an unpaid volunteer and isn't considered a sponsor.

>>716105006
Too late ;(
https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

>>716104941
That's a tool analogy.

>>716104972
>literal bootlicker thinks he's in the right

Video games are filth.

>>716100552
>and to allow individuals to host servers
If you get this you'll be paying an additional fee to have access, just fyi

>>716105006
a bit too late for that now

>>716104713
Hey retard, this shit is exactly what SKG is trying to prevent. A company shouldn’t brick the products you buy so you’re forced to buy new ones.

>>716104908
Then I don't support SKG. Thanks for the insight.

>>716104901
>>716104956
The whole service/license thing is just something they made up. You don't have to slavishly submit to it as if it were a decree from the Lord.
If enough people say them shutting down something they have sold to you is theft, then it is theft. Because laws are a social construct and are formed by what people think they should be. It's like rape - only became a thing once people decided that you shouldn't do that, but not a thing in the animal kingdom.

>>716105073
doesn't matter. i'm retarded and can't think forward past my own need and want in the moment. as long as i get it, i will triumph. no it doesn't matter than i will then seethe about pricing and also begin demanding it be brought down or made more accessible to me.

>>716105073
Will this happen?
We'll see about that

>>716105182
Funny how you say this when it doesnt matter anymore. You lost

>>716105192
>it's too expensive!!!!
Just pirate it

>>716104956
Bought, not own. You can't own digital games.

>>716105062
I'm taking the government boot and am forcibly make you like it. Don't worry, all your corpo bootlicking skills will transfer just fine to your new occupation.

>>716104740
>government constantly steps on your neck, both in general and doing the bidding of corporations
>but don't you dare ask the government to stop them literally stealing from you bro, you can't do that!
>the government is for everyone else to use against you instead! You have to be STOIC and ENDURING and NICE while everyone else gets up in your shit 24/7

>>716104956
>You mean the license that already comes with the games that I already own and bought?
You are not licensed for the middleware that runs on the server.
>>716104973
>You aren't allowed to do business with a contractor who isn't qualified to provide a service to certify something as safe.
Still a non-sequitur, you are trying to argue from a foundation of safety and compliance vs the actual argument which is availability. Again, as previously stated, forcing two persons, legal or no, to do business in a certain way is coercion and also introduces anti-competitive elements. Dictating technical compliance is in no way related to dictating a business model.


Try not to make this mistake again.

>>716105006
Is that to uphold the integrity of copyright, or what?

>>716104713
The Crew 2 is a great example for why big publishers are full of shit. The game got an offline mode patched in after Ubisoft got spooked by SKG focusing on them.

>>716105062
if my choice is between bootlicking the government or bootlicking corporations, I will choose to bootlick the government.

>>716105251
how do i pirate a dedicated server?.....

>>716105248
Huh? There's been no deliberation by lawmakers yet.

>>716105385
Easily.

>>716105073
What's stopping the developer from raising the price of their game at any moment just because they felt like it? If they wanted to charge more they would, this has nothing to do with skg.

>>716105341
The technical compliance here is that the game needs to work at the end of life.

>>716104740
This is possibly one of the dumbest fucking posts i have ever read. The only one crying here is you.

>>716099583 (OP)
our servers comrade
our games comrade

This thread makes it pretty obvious that Americans fear bidets and just use dry paper then call it good enough.

>Waah, it's too hard to remove these expensive third party services from the game and impossible to release with out!
Ivans are always managing to reverse engineer games, are you worse than a slav with $2 vodka is at programming?

>>716105372
you could just grow up and then you wouldn't have to bootlick either. but you're a manchild who needs his video games to be regulated cause you have nothing else better to do in life.

>>716100568
You're right, instead we should just sue them en masse every time they steal a game we bought.
Would you like that better?

>>716105385
download it
open it
connect to it

>>716105392
EU isn't going to abandon the chance to smack american companies down a peg. An one of their vice presidents is openly supporting it. Its very clear where this is going to go.

>>716105448
Let's use your shitty analogy:
>my car's engine must work 10 years after I bought the car and you MUST provide me the tools to fix it if it breaks
not gonna happen lil bro.

>>716105497
see >>716101205

>>716099583 (OP)
The devs can just release the server code so people can host their own.

>>716105470
If my uno cards are filled with lead, why wouldn't I file a complain to the government?
Am I stupid?

>>716105470
Rather ironic for you to say this as you bootlick corporations

>>716105470
if my choice is between bootlicking the government, bootlicking corporations, or bootlicking the free market, I will choose to bootlick the government.

Why do companies even hire shills at this point?
SKG already blew past all the bench marks with signatures.
SKG already has tons of support from EU officials.
Seems kind of like a huge waist of money and resources to continue paying Indians from Babel Media or whatever to try and convince no one. Money and resources they could use to keep servers up for longer.

>>716105514
Ahhh yes, American companies like... let's see here... Ubisoft!

>>716105529
I think it's cool when cars require proprietary tools and equipment to do any work on them.

>>716105439
If a law passes that private servers shall be made accessible per SKGs demands when an online service game delists then the developers or a licensed 3rd party host will sell access to those servers. You won't be given them for free.

there is actually no good reason to be against this unless you're a dickhead

>>716105372
It's not bootlicking the government. It's expecting them to work for you, like they're supposed to.
They work against our interests all the time. I'm not going to reject using them in my favor for once. That would just be cuckery.

>>716105529
This wouldn't be a problem if car companies weren't niggerfaggots who continue to add more and more electronics with DRM that barely interacts with the mechanics because ?????

>>716105529
But digital goods don't wear down? If it works it will continue to just work, no repairs needed.

>>716105580
see >>716101205

>>716105608
Canada is just little America anyway. Always has been.

>>716105529
>my car's engine must work 10 years after I bought the car
thanks you just described guarantees where governments do indeed require that your product needs to work for a minimum amount of time
>and you MUST provide me the tools to fix it if it breaks
Yep, which is why you can't use proprietary tools.

>>716105608
You mean the company in incredible debt? LOL nice example dumbfuck. Let them dig into their coffers. OH WAIT THEY GOT NONE

>>716105514
Doesn't look like it.

>>716105674
Ubisoft is from France you idiot.

>>716104229
>Kid picks up trash and helps an old lady across the street
>Child labor

>>716105638
>there is actually no good reason to be against the government regulating even more shit than they already do and sinking their claws further into something they shouldn't be involved in and making it worse all around for everyone

>>716105694
Tencent bails them out. They will around for a long while.

>>716105665
Why are you linking to something redundant, I already told you that between the free market and the government, I choose the government.

>>716100000
>volunteering is illegal
((()))

>>716105597
they paid in advance
and it will end when the signing stops. i guess they didn't expect it to finish this fast

>>716105706
You tried that cope with apple, that didn't work out well. You want to come up with a new one?

Man, i hope pakistan nukes every single disgusting pajeet in the world then themselves.

>>716105597
Only shills I see are skiggers trying to silence any discussion of SKG.

>>716105623
I don't think that's something the eventual law is going to allow.

>>716105725

>>716104908
>quoting the retarded Q&A
>licenses are a legal grey area
LMAO

>>716105548
>buy game in store
>sneaky weasel EULA wall of text says I don't really own it
>that makes it okay to steal it
Print in massive fucking letters that the customer doesn't own the game, that it's strictly online only and it will be taken offline at some unknown time, and we have a deal.
Btw I still remember the fuckers pulling this shit with entirely single player games too, like Assassin's Creed 2 on PC

>>716105736
Last time i checked that tencent bailout is now in a major lawsuit by shareholders

>>716105707
Same thing, whatever. Didn't ask faggot.

>>716105787
you are dumb, retarded and disgusting rajeesh.

>>716105641
True enough.

>>716104909
That was the original point tho. Anti-skg threads have same idpol flamewar bot spam. And same bad faith questions that have been answered.

>>716105746
retarded drone

It's afraid

>>716104713
But I can't play the first one? Thanks for confirming.

>>716105775
I have no thoughts on Apple. That was another person who imprinted you and lives in your head rent free.

>>716100698

>>716105914
>IM GOING TO IGNORE THAT EXAMPLE
the kike is coping

>>716105849
You'll survive Anders.

>>716105470
Everybody uses the government against me, to not use its power against them would be to surrender, not to grow up.
Your dishonest lying is not going to convince a single person. No matter how hard you cry.

>>716100698
>you need to consume the new product, buy the sequel, enjoy the remake, the old game was just... too janky, thank god we got the remaster, be better men

>>716105884
>WEEEEEEEEHHH! MOMMMY I CAN'T EAT THIS CANDY ANYMORE CAUSE THEY SLIGHTLY CHANGED THE FORMULA TO IT SO NOW IT TASTES JUST A VERY BIT DIFFERENT THEN BEFORE AND I DO NOT LIKE IT!
>WEEEEEEEEEHH! MOMMMYYYYYYYYYYY I DEMAND I BE GIVEN THE EXACT SAME OLD CANDY I ATE BEEEEFOOOREEE!!
>WEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH!

>>716099583 (OP)
>OP can suck cocks forever for free
>This requires food, semen, water, cocks and all of his time yet he can still do it (for free)
>this is normal and expected
>video game developers can't give people some code to run on their old Xeon PC server because ????
>this only requires electricity to run
>somehow this is some gargantuan impossible task

OP is a faggot and a retard

>>716105687
>Yep, which is why you can't use proprietary tools.
Except every modern car requires proprietary tools to repair, even diagnostics require proprietary software and connectors, and oh look, nothing is being done about it because it's legal.
>thanks you just described guarantees where governments do indeed require that your product needs to work for a minimum amount of time
Yes, tangible goods, not services run by a third party. You do not hold the risk of running a server, the developer does.
>>716105661
I'm not going to be facetious and discuss things such as bitrot, but servers wear down, software and security standards change etc. Inherently incorrect statement.

Where's your lawsuit because you can't play PSO on the original Xbox anymore? Faggot.

>>716104020
>use of the physics engine
Which physics engine requires a connection to proprietary servers?

>>716099583 (OP)
I honestly wish dishonest pieces of shit like you would die. You add nothing to any discussion and only exist to make things unbearable for everyone else.

>>716105371
goy why do you have to be so anti-semetic? ubisoft would have earned 6 gorillion dollars if it hadn't been for that pesky offline mode you anti-semite!

>>716105860
Doesn't look like it.
>>716105956
Correct I'm going to ignore your strawman argument you used after the ad hominem. What else do you have for me?

>>716105638
I'm thinking it's paid shills. Without a hint of irony or doubt.

>>716105962
but you'll still be dumb, retarded and disgusting.
please take out as many of your kind before you off yourself.
For the betterment of the world.

>>716106026
>Except every modern car requires proprietary tools to repair, even diagnostics require proprietary software and connectors, and oh look, nothing is being done about it because it's legal.
It's not the case for other things though, so whatever about that specific example.

>>716106034
....
Do you even understand how many game servers have server-side physics calculations performed by middleware running on that server?
Of course you don't, because you have no idea about how games actually work.

>>716106060
>Correct I'm going to ignore your strawman argument you used after the ad hominem
>Doesnt even know what a strawman is
Holy fuck just how stupid are you?

>>716106038
This but pro SKG shills

>>716105725
I think stealing should be illegal, and the government should be the one who enforces that law. Sorry if that offends you, but no more stealing for you.

>Stop Killing Games
pulling the plug on a braindead person isn't killing. It's putting an end to their suffering. You have to learn to let go. You're not supposed to play the same games forever. It's time to move forward.

>>716105862
You can just not care about the free market, have you tried doing that?

>>716106098
>makes the example about cars
>gets refuted
>WHATEVER
lmao

>>716106102
About none of them because the delay would fuck with things and doing calculations on hardware that you don't have to pay for is a lot cheaper than doing it on your own servers.
This whole "let's do things in the cloud" approach was abandoned during the Xbox360 days because it makes no sense, bot financially and technically speaking.

>>716106090
Sure.
>>716106104
Sure.

When you're ready for a good faith discussion I'll still be here.

>>716106192
Nah fuck you, I'll load up a quake match right now.

>>716106192
>It's time to move forward.
No :)

>>716106026
>Except every modern car requires proprietary tools to repair, even diagnostics require proprietary software and connectors
it's a deliberate move to add barriers that dissuade customers from having their perfectly repairable cars fixed. it's abhorrent and manufacturers should be slapped with exorbitant fines until they stop ripping off consumers
>nothing is being done about it
have you ever heard of the right to repair movement shlomo?
>it's legal
not for long you disgusting money-grubbing kike

>>716106026
Software doesn't wear down, that's all that matters, just give me the software and I'll use my own hardware that I maintain with my own tools.

>Disingenuous "You can't expect us to keep running the online servers forever!" argument for nth time

At this rate they're gonna confuse the EU commission and end up being forced to keep their servers online forever.

>>716106224
You can just not care about video game and go do something more productive with your life and time, have you tried that?

>>716106192
The family should decide that, not whoever sold the life support equipment. And you would find that the law agrees with that. Just like it will with stop killing games.

>>716106237
>When you're ready for a good faith discussion I'll still be here.
If only you had the intelligence to hold one

>>716104405
>You don't know what would take to actually implement your demands or how feasible they would even be to have in
I want you to tell me exactly what it would have taken to make The Crew playable offline. If you don't know then you have no business calling out anyone else's potential lack of knowledge

>>716106237
please record it.
it will be the only worthwhile thing you will do in this world.

>>716106226
It's an analogy, it obviously has limitations.

>>716106016
It's absolutely staggering how bad your agency is at this.
You come to a bitter and jaded gaming board that has in large part seen their favorite titles get raped and butchered into dogshit over the years and think anyone will agree with your point here?

Just stop posting. Go to your boardroom and come up with a plan to drone strike Ross or something because posts like this are just going to increase the amount of Ubisoft employees the EU mandates to be killed for crimes against Gamerkind.

>"just don't buy it"
>the practice proliferates until most new games are like this
It's already standard industry practice that you don't own shit. For me it's about striking some blows to discourage escalation in this endless anti-consumer war, as much as anything else.
This garbage never exists in a vacuum. It always pushed the envelope and enshittifies everything further.
You deserve what you tolerate.

>>716106308
>At this rate they're gonna confuse the EU commission and end up being forced to keep their servers online forever.
Not much of a concern when one the vice presidents is a supporter of SKG.

>>716106308
That would be funny. But their whole lying campaign is hopless. The EU has a lot of experience of smacking big companies down, and they are many years too late if they think they are the first to come up with "but it's totally impossible, honest" as an excuse.

>>716106320
you are a retarded nigger

>>716106016
>steals candy from your hand
>makes you buy new candy instead
Didn't think that analogy through, did you?

>>716106016
This wouldn't be a problem if there was no copyright law though. But since banning copyright law is harder than making them give you the candy, then forcing them to give you the candy it is.

>>716106235
>About none of them
Lol
lmao
CS2 uses server side physics for movement and bullets
Valorant for the same
Overwatch 2 the same
COD uses it for collision detection and bullet physics
Battlefield uses it for destruction physics and hit detection.
Fortnite uses it for building, movement and hit reg.
Apex uses it for bullet trajectories and abilities
Minecraft servers use it for block placement and gravity.
ARK uses it for creature AI and collisions.
Go read the Source Engine, Unity or Unreal docs, you can validate there that certain things are done SERVER SIDE.

Please stop typing, you're an idiot.

>>716106435
>politician supports giving himself more power
WE DID IT REDDIT!!!

>>716106016
I'm gonna rape your mommy.

>>716099583 (OP)

>Noooooo, don't preserve my game. Please NOOOOOOO. Don't put my game in a museum noooooo

>>716104405
I have a much more important experience. The experience of buying games. I will make my demands, and you will figure out a way to do the thing game developers have been doing for over 30 years with no issues, or you will perish.

>>716106192
Give my money back then

>>716106016
why wouldn't I want better candy if my bitching works?
Women do that all the time.

>>716099583 (OP)
Dedicated server tools, you clot.

>>716106309
So now you understand the issue.

>>716106308
Enjoy paying again for private servers after the online portion stops being supoorted and gets delisted.

>>716106450
They're not sending their best.

>>716106559
Just run your own server ?

>>716106315
Try me.
>>716106342
Record what?

>>716106580
Maybe they are though

>>716106559
Ask your boss to give you a more detailed briefing next time. It's way too obvious that you're in over your head right now.

>>716106554
what law is stopping developers from giving you dedicated server tools right now?

>>716106642
That's a scary thought.

>>716106513
How is skg giving him more power?

Oh look, the people who play UT 99 had to pay for the game again after Epic took it down!
Oh wait, no they didn't, and epic themselves gave them the blessing to continue hosting OldUnreal.

>>716106513
Don't hate the player, hate the game.

>>716106690
contract, IP and licensing law, especially in the case of middleware you do not have a license to

>>716106615
>Try me.
You literally dismissed an example, of the EU doing what you claim they wouldn't why would i bother retard

>>716106613
Why didn't you just do that before the game got delisted?

>>716106615
ahhh. You really are that fucking retarded.
I'd feel sorry for your mother, but shes probably more retarded than you.

Innovation that makes a worse product isn't innovation.
The IT world needs to be reminded of that.

>>716105823
>licenses are a legal grey area
"Your honor, my client Bethesda made it perfectly clear that their licensing terms apply throughout the entire known universe!"

>>716106727

>>716106690
What law stopped oil companies from making lead free gasoline in the 60s? None, none at all, but they still didn't do it until they were prohibited from not doing it.

>>716106780
>contract, IP and licensing law
I always find it hysterical when you dumb fucks bring up several things you have no fucking clue how they work.

>>716106801
The post where you said I supported Apple? Why would you lie and call it good faith? Nevermind, you are incapable of good faith. Cheers.

>>716106865
So it isn't giving him more power then?

>>716106884
ESL post. I knew you were brown

>>716106652
Sure.
>>716106580
Their worst is enough for you.

>>716106812
There was no distributable private server to make a private server because the devs didn't provide one for the public.

>>716106780
so you want people to be able to illegally share things they don't own?
wow dude that is a genius idea, tyrone

>>716106819
I wouldn't worry about me.

>>716106780
That's a non issue. Middleware providers will have to update their contracts or go out of business. It's obvious what they are going to do. Don't pretend like you think that laws are retroactive, dishonest faggot.

>>716106780
The middleware may have limited time license, but all the copies sold prior to the expiry date last forever.
The game companies just simply stop selling new copies.

>>716106780
>middleware you do not have a license to
this dumbfuck brought up middleware without knowing how middleware works, jesus christ

>my mind slipped
>i dont know how any of this works
>i just want the government to do something because im a 40 year old man with no impulse control
reminder that not a single SKG retard has been able to give a single coherent point about what the fuck they are even on about

>>716106963
Then you'll be paying for access to private servers

>>716107156
When they provide a private server to the public, you can just make your own.

>>716107121
Believe me I tried but nobody here wants a discussion in good faith

>>716106874
That's funny, because I've repeatedly clowned on you all because I do know the legislative framework:
>>716104447
>>716103769
>>716104020
Not one of you have been able to cite any legislation or directive that is a countenance to this, you just argue with your feelings, how things "should" work in your mind.
>>716106965
Nothing illegal about giving you the code that the studio has the rights to.
However, they aren't going to pay the middleware license fees on your behalf and they aren't going to give you their code. Better start saving up for the license.
> Middleware providers will have to update their contracts or go out of business.
No they won't as previously cited,
CFR Article 16 and TFEU Article 102. It would also fall foul of WTO rules regarding the freedom to conduct business. You cannot compel people to do business a certain way.
>>716107051
Except they don't, as you are not sold what is running on the server. So best of luck launching dedicatedserver.exe without all the middleware that you do not have a license to.
Better start saving up now.

>>716106690
No law is stopping them. They don't want to give you server tools because they don't want their old games to compete with their new ones. You're supposed to buy the new yearly version of sportsballshooter, not keep playing the old one.

>>716106513
>>716107121
I cant believe SKG upset some kike so hard he is out here making this pictures. Ross really living in this retards brain rent free huh. i kneel to the moss lord

>>716107230
forgot to quote >>716107032

>>716107121
>reminder that not a single SKG retard has been able to give a single coherent point about what the fuck they are even on about
Have you tried reading the first sentence?

>>716107230
>I do know the legislative framework:
No you don't. You just spit a bunch of shit you couldn't back up. I'll even throw you a bone, what liceneses do most games devs use for third party software?

>Back in the 90's and 2000's, games had middleware components and copyrighted materials that require licensing
>Can still play those games, even with their middleware intact.
>Somehow this isn't the case in the 2020's
Shills can't answer this one.

>>716107224
>whining about good faith when you keep bringing up points that the petition goes over and get them intentionally wrong
Are you being serious?

>>716107121
>a reminder that [shit I made up]

>>716107230
You make a good point.
What's stopping them from just selling dedicated server at fuck you price?

>>716107230
>However, they aren't going to pay the middleware license fees on your behalf and they aren't going to give you their code. Better start saving up for the license.
Doesn't matter, since they released the binaries, cracking that part of the server will be easier to get around any license, so the goal is achieved.

>>716107206
SKG will force all devs to release private servers so they won't be provided any longer without additional charges.

>>716100000
>Scrolls by Mojang
That actually came out in any way shape or form? I thought it was just one of Notch's abandoned projects.

>>716107347
>mission statement is a lie
Bold move

If India and Israel were nuked entirely, what sector of society would suffer?

>>716107628
Intelaviv

>>716106192
So if you aren't profitable anymore, you should be killed?
Or if "not enough people care" about you?

>>716107525
That's the thing though, expecting to pay for something at the end of life that you didn't before is not a reasonable end of life plan, so they will have to give them for free.

>>716107472
>you keep bringing up points that the petition goes over and get them intentionally wrong
Why are you holding me responsible for the actions of other people? That's an action made in bad faith.

>>716099864
just
dont
vote
the
initiative
if
you
dont
like
its
practices

no need to spam a anonymous imageboard you fucking morons
Just learn some fucking self-control and vote with your fucking vote.

>Initially all our creatures had to be bipedal, so we made an ostrich. But it's not a common ostrich, it's a space ostrich, it has paws instead of wings and it poisons you. A hellish creature from a nightmare. It ended up being the funniest monster in the game and got migrated to the 3D version. We came up with all sorts of creative legends about the relationship between the ostriches and the negroes. Ostriches think that - well, they don't think anything - but the negroes think the ostriches are undercover Chinamen who hunt negroes out of hatred for negroes. And they spit on them until they are comatose. Ostriches have a poisonous bite. But actually the ostriches are engineered by the Aryan faction of the game, to guard their future Negro concentration camps. At one point we even had the idea of placing serial numbers on the ostriches but we couldn't do it for technical reasons. Or maybe we could paint swastikas on them, we thought. But basically, it was very funny. Ostriches are cool.
>Ross Scott, responding to a question about the insensitivity of a game he helped develop

>>716107668
The entire point of SKG is calling the killing games movement a rugpull.
What if they announce the EOL plan to sell dedicated server at $9000 on day one?

>>716107682
Your entire side is bad faith, if you don't like it, maybe you should tell your friends like OP not to do it. But nooooo. If your upset at being lumped in with them, maybe you shouldn't stand besides them. That is entirely on you.

>>716107505
You're going to be cracking the middleware you don't have access to? Lmao

>>716107365
>what liceneses do most games devs use for third party software?
>liceneses
Good morning SKGujeet
Service contracts
Unity Engine is $2,040+/yr for Pro/Enterprise
Unreal Engine is 5% royalty after $1m revenue
Havok is service contract licensing for anything above $20m dev cost.
Photon Engine is priced for concurrent users, starting at $95 per user.
AWS Gamelift is from $0.10 per hour, usage based, with scaling.
Nakama is from $500 a month for managed cloud.
CRIWARE requires service contracts per title or per platform.
SpeedTree is a per-seat subscription from $19 a seat.

>>716107801
It wouldn't be considered a reasonable end of life plan and they would have to give them for free.

>>716107668
No they'll be charging for private servers. All new games going forward are to be created under the stipulation that their game must have private servers, and SKG doesn't say they had to be free.

>>716107865
>>what liceneses do most games devs use for third party software?
>>liceneses
>Good morning SKGujeet
>Service contracts
>Unity Engine is $2,040+/yr for Pro/Enterprise
>Unreal Engine is 5% royalty after $1m revenue
>Havok is service contract licensing for anything above $20m dev cost.
>Photon Engine is priced for concurrent users, starting at $95 per user.
>AWS Gamelift is from $0.10 per hour, usage based, with scaling.
>Nakama is from $500 a month for managed cloud.
>CRIWARE requires service contracts per title or per platform.
>SpeedTree is a per-seat subscription from $19 a seat.
Nothing you just listed is a license you stupid faggot LOL nice job proving me right.

>>716107843
I disagree.

>>716107865
>Unity engine
>Unreal engine
>license
Is this pic you?

>>716107865
>You're going to be cracking the middleware you don't have access to? Lmao
I'm being liberal with cracking here, it depends on the component, it could just be bypassed or it would just make the process of making a private server easier because you already a good portion of what you need, as in the same way private servers are made nowadays already.

>>716107959
Do you understand that subscriptions/SaaS are a licensing model, or are you this retarded?
https://cpl.thalesgroup.com/software-monetization/saas-licensing
>>716108036
https://unity.com/products
>>716108036
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/license

>>716106192
>You're not supposed to play the same games forever
maybe not, but that doesn't mean the option should be off the table entirely

>>716107865
are you that idiot that tried to list indie games that would be hurt by SKG and listed a bunch of local hosted ones plus a singleplayer?

>>716107741
Fellatio.
Now.

>>716107913
Then you sue/complain to customer protection agencies because it's not a reasonable end of life plan and they are forced to make them free.

>>716107881
If they go as far as announcing the exact end of life expiry date, that wouldn't be classified as a rugpull at all.
Then again, if they do just that. They could kill the games on said date if they want to without providing any EOL plan.

>>716107467
I posted this expecting someone to answer with retardation, but I can't even get that.
Shills literally cannot answer it.

>>716108076
Nigger you brought up the game engines, GAME ENGINES not its license. players dont need a license to use the game engine you stupid fuck. You might as well just stop posting. You proved me right.

>>716108076
>he doesn't know
nigger unity cannot make people pay for downloading your product XD
they TRIED but no one was gonna do that shit.
you pay to have the SOFTWARE used to MAKE the game.
not the game itself you stupid pajeet.

>>716104374
Uninstall videogames. Delete videogames from registry. Right click delete shortcut videogames into Recycling Bin, mv videogames into /dev/null, write random noise to videogame's mapped memory, launch videogames into infected VMs, run videogames on overheated computers, urinate into videogame's cd covers, judo throw game discs into a cd burner (and write 0s to all sectors), twist game's quest lines, report videogames to the ACCC, karate chop game disc in half, curb stomp videogame beta builds, trap videogame discs in sunlight, crush improperly placed videogame discs in disc trays, liquify the solder of videogame cartridges

>>716108076
>https://unity.com/products
>>>716108036(You)
>https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/license
Nice backpedaling, should of linked those instead

>>716100539
Ross is a pedo, were just waiting to drop those files.

>>716108142
Good luck with that.

>>716108161
Yes, and the hope here is that people see the big the big expiry date and their sales drop so they instead decide that it's better to provide a server.

>>716108180
>>716108184
We are talking about server-side code, the middleware that runs on the server, you know, that deals with all this: >>716106494

I do like how you doubled down on two and ignore the others because you have NO REFUTATION

>>716107865
You don't need a unreal license to play unreal games.... Do.. do you have any idea what are you talking about?

>>716108291
I'm aware of that because even Ross himself pointed it out.
But that's too optimistic imo.

>>716107467
Digital games. Next question.

>>716108285
You do know Brazil's consumer protection agency is suing Nintendo right now right? Consumer protection agencies doing nothing is a burger thing.

>>716108297
no, you stupid pajeet, you are talking about the software to make those things.
you make a binary anyone can run, and POOF

>>716108297
Coincidence?

>>716108297
>We are talking about server-side code
YOU BROUGHT UP A GAME ENGINE NOT SERVER SIDE CODE, YOU COPING FAGGOT

>>716108356
Sure, which is why I would prefer even stronger laws that would classify all games as goods and not services.

>>716108357
What makes digital games different to physical ones when it comes to licensing? Why would that make a difference?

>>716108361
Anyone can sue anyone for anything. That doesn't mean much.

>>716108291
wow you guys are actual retards, you know this site is 18+ right?

>>716108428
Better than nothing but change is scary.
Let's wing it.

>>716106192
>pulling the plug on a braindead person isn't killing. It's putting an end to their suffering.
It's more like shooting grandpa in the head before gangrene takes him, as opposed to amputating his leg and putting him in a wheelchair.

>>716108454
You can't own digital games, my tranime spamming friend.

>>716105529
You shouldn't be able to deliberately design the engine so that it can only be repaired by your proprietary tools that you reserve the right to refuse service with or the use of.
You greedy fucks deserved to get anally raped.

>>716108584
And why's that? Physical games still have the same data, just a different carrier to get the data to my computer.

>>716108518
If the government fails enough, then the next step is demand change from congress, if that isn't enough then the next step is revolution.

>>716108584
>You can't own digital games

>>716108661
You'll have to ask Gabe. I'm not sure exactly why he pushed for it but here we are having our libraries delisted in real time. See The Crew.

>>716108357
if digital things cannot be owned then there is no copyright on digital data
good job pajeet you just made things worse for your side HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>716108806
>pajeet is trying to make side money shilling for big corpos and epic at the same time
not surprising

>>716108339
You need a license for the server code. Unreal is not just going to let you use their code for free for a game that had a $50m budget.
>>716108392
Unreal has server side code, read the docs. You can also incorporate middleware into your Unreal Engine project, such as Wwise + GME, which is server side and has to be server side, to ensure synchronisation of sounds for players.
You will need to obtain licensing for these.

>>716108806
You're trying to obfuscate shit by falling back on "B... but Steam has done this to limit our ownership" which to me is the same problem that needs to be solved because fundamentally the only difference between digital and physical is the carrier.
What now?

>>716108531
So now you're telling me that voting with your wallet doesn't work? Sounds like we need stronger regulation then.

>>716108952
>What now?
Reality stays the same. Just answering your questions factually.

>>716108806
Do you scream at your local gamestop when they stop selling a game? You do know "delisting" doesn't affect the game you have already downloaded right?

>>716109140
I'll just pirate it if I can't buy it

>>716109103
And that's why SKG is a thing to challenge the current status using a logical throughline of "I own my game, I should be able to keep it and play it". The arguments over not CURRENTLY owning digital products is bullshit and doesn't use any critical thinking skills to come to a conclusion of "We should still be able to own the games because the data hasn't changed, only the medium we use to get the data".

>>716109140
I petition the EU when that happens

>>716108915
The original point of argument is to have things keep working post end of life date at the reasonable state.
If their criteria for reasonable state is charging 5 gorillion dollars for an .exe, you get sued. Simple as.
Just declare your software as a service and put a definitive EOL date instead of this wishy washy bullshit.

I heard the Trilateral Commission came out to support this thing. Another step on the path of full government control of video games.

>>716108806
>rent a game on steam
>instead of actually buying it on GOG
this is your fault. You chose the path of convenience even though you knew it meant they could fuck your ass at any time. And now that you're ass is gettin fuckarinoes, you want to cry and say its ain't fair. But you chose this fool

>>716109408
I don't know about burgers, but here we like the government having control of things.

>>716105529
That is literally the law. It's why OBDII scanners are sold to the public and not just "authorized service technicians"

>>716107593
the fuck...

man i do love "pajeets proves its literally fucking retarded" threads.

>>716109489
Yeah Steam is incredibly anti consumer

>>716105529
>>716109591
Remember when John Deere got legally fucked over by pissed off farmers because the company tried to make it illegal for people to repair the equipment THEY BOUGHT?
I remember.

>>716109489
GoG wouldn't accept the game on the listing in the first place due to their no-DRM criteria.
You can play The Crew with the DRM, or you don't play it at all.

>>716110039
then don't play it you consumer whore

>>716103989
Bait used to be believable

>>716110110
And how would that help me play The Crew?

>>716110039
>GoG wouldn't accept the game on the listing in the first place due to their no-DRM criteria.
It was hilarious when GOG added Hitman 2016, then removed it a day later after the extreme backlash over it still using the always-online DRM.

>>716110110
I want have my cake and eat it too thanks to SKG
Too bad.