Thread 716115412

Thoughts?

JUST MAKE A GOOD GAME
WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR THEM

>European branch
OP, you have no reading comprehension skills

>>716115412 (OP)
That’s what they get for abandoning the turn based genre

>>716115412 (OP)
time for Sony to buy them and make their game exclusive to PS.

>>716115412 (OP)
They arent big enough to survive wokeness

>>716115412 (OP)
Tendies have been saying this about SE, Sega and Capcom for years

>>716115412 (OP)
finale to deus ex hr and md when?

>>716115450
why are modern devs so afraid to do this

what have they released in this fiscal year besides dawntrail?

TWEWY 3 never ever forever.

>>716115497
They released turn based games, there is also a new SaGa game coming

>>716115453
You really think it's better in other parts of the world? Lol...

>>716115497
no company releases more tun-based games than square, fuck are you talking about?

>10 years to make time jannies 7
takeshi kiryu needs to clean house

>>716115715
Atlus

good

I thought they sold their yurop branch to embracer
people were making fun of them for selling the tomb raider studio to embracer only for embracer to immediately sell the tomb raider tv rights to amazon for more than they paid for the studio

>>716115497
Square releases a lot of modern turn-based RPGs.
Too many casual fucks think FF is the only RPG that exists

>>716115809
Square just wanted that division gone and were, initially, going to use those funds to invest in NFT dogshit...

>>716115412 (OP)
Did avengers really fuck them up that bad?

>>716116172
legitimately Avengers fucked them up pretty bad, plus stupid NFT/cryptocurrency plays by the now gone CEO

>>716115412 (OP)
They should just go back to being squaresoft and making kino games.

>>716116172
They probably paid a ton to license that capeshit. That's why there are few movie tie-ins these days, studios got too greedy.

>>716116172
>Did FF X-2 really fuck them up that bad?
and since then, they never recovered

What do these fags even do? Most of their good games in the last twenty years only got PAL releases because of Nintendo publishing it for them

>>716115618
Fanasian Neo Dimension?
Emberstoria
An ASSLOAD of remakes
Foamstasrs
Plus their live service Final Fantasay continuing.

Funny thing is, I thought that Forspoken would have put a floor on how bad they could go, but apparently they can go lower.

What does the European branch even do now? Powerwash simulator? They sold off Eidos/Crystal Dynamics. What do they even have left?

>>716115412 (OP)
Imagine an indie game like Expedition 33 being a better Final Fantasy game than FF16. How embarrassing.

Remember that Forspoken was meant to be their next big IP series. Shame they ruined the original concept of what going to be.

>>716115412 (OP)
Ok
Can't wait for ff17 and 18!

Tencent is going to buy Square Enix.

>>716115412 (OP)
and their new games coming out are the ones with DEI included during development years ago, they are beyond fucked

>>716116821
And instead it killed the division working on it, and made Luminous obsolete

>>716115412 (OP)
Barry wonned

>>716116172
It was a serious hit, but not a killer.. About 200 million spent, about 70 million in losses. Caused Crystal Dynamics to be dropped.

They then tried to go woke with Forespoken, and FF Gay and wuk in the following dev cycle. Foamstars bombed hard. Not as tranny as initially thought and I miss that ice cream girl.

Platinum's Babylon's fall cratered so hard I have no idea how good it was.

Plus the adventures in NFT that went nowhere. Perhaps E33 will shock them back into trying some lower budget turn based shit that is NOT a remake again. Hell, use an old engine with a new scenario.

>>716116796
>Powerwash simulator?
Sold more than Rebirth and XVI combined....

>>716115764
faglus barely releases games

>>716116958
>trying some lower budget turn based shit that is NOT a remake again
they already make those

>>716115450
AAA, retards listened to Sony and Microsoft and went big. Now they're going home.

>>716115412 (OP)
deserved for being retarded

>>716116931
funny when the director of Luminous now works on DK and people love it. SE higher up are retard.

>>716116958
>foamstar
>look like chon shit temu Splatoon.
I remember someone saying it will be Splatoon killer.

>>716115412 (OP)
Oh thank God.
RIP in piss.

>>716116958
>Perhaps E33 will shock them back into trying some lower budget turn based shit that is NOT a remake again
The problem is games are graded on a curve based on who developed them and indy shit might get away with being a mediocre as E33 but a game from a major publisher like Square Enix wont

>>716116958
Man now that I read your summary, it really does get worse the more I think about it.

It's a miracle these low IQ animals even survived by now.

>>716115764
Rereleasing persona doesn't really count.
If it did, it still loses to SE just for the retarded amount of times they re-relased FF4. Rydia and Rosa being way better than any filthy dirtyass personaslut.

>>716116172
It was a wakeup call that they sort of ignored and decided to go full retard into NFT's for some reason.
They also keep doing stupid shit that pleases no one like flopspoken and Wuk Lamat. Also they have effectively killed off their gacha department.

>>716116995
I thought you were joking but wow....it probably did.

>>716115412 (OP)
please sell the Deus EX Rights

>can't make good games
>literally the only money maker they have has had its support and financing gutted to barebones
>instead of supporting xiv and making more money out of it they decided to kill it at the biggest hype wave the game was riding since wow refugees leaving wow
How are they so inept?

>>716117437
They did to Embracer

>>716116995
I'd rather powerwash than listen to mind rotting dialogue of FFXVI

>>716115412 (OP)
But the FF7 Remake faggots told me that "FF7 REBIRTH WAS A STEALTH HIT AND SOLD BAJILIONS OF COPIES UNDER THE WRAPS"!?
What's HAPPENEING FF7 Remake bros!?!?

>>716117437
>>716117461
Thank God for that. No one could be worse than Square Enix.

>>716117458
Boomers in charge. They see a shinny turd plop out of the west and they break their knees running to replicate it in a self hating humiliation ritual.

>>716117369
How the fuck do you lose at gacha?

>>716117267
Imagine spending a billion dollars and getting that pile of shit. The only reason the investors arent' all bailing out is because other fuckers in their sector are fucking up even harder, like ubisoft, or concord.

China won

>>716117461
>>716117505
Embracer made the latest Saints Row and their track record is...uneven at best.

>>716117646
NO ONE
IS WORSE
THAN
FUCKIGN
SQUARE ENIX
NO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNE
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>716115412 (OP)
force yoko taro to make nier 3, and just regurgitate what the previous nier games did and boom, ez free money.
bonus points if he borrows shit from drakengard because 97.25% of the playerbase won't know

>>716117636
Since again, by doing nothing.

>>716117679
No.

>>716115497
You don't play games

https://vginsights.com/game/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth
https://vginsights.com/game/powerwash-simulator

>>716116480
X-2 made a profit cause it was an asset flip, you seething faggot

>>716117782
Homie out here dying on a X-2 hill

>>716116821
Death to Tabata for what he did

>>716117754
LMAO

EUROCHADS WIN AGAIN

>>716116995
Sold or download? Cause they gave that game away on many platforms

>>716117679
>>716117717
Shit up will 100% work on Nier 3

>>716117879
We're now splitting hairs and coping about powerwash simulator sales bruuh

That's how low Final Fantasy down fell baka

>>716117871
61M > 21M

>>716115450
>>716115412 (OP)
I think the biggest problem is that likes of Kitase, Nomura, etc. aren't going to want to be told they have to reduce the budgets of their AAA games. They probably like the company pouring unsustainable amounts of money into their vanity projects.

I wouldn't be surprised if the moment the 7Remake project is over, KH4 releases and FFXVII has to be a lower budget game that runs on all systems including Switch 2, a lot of the FF directors/producers will start retiring at SE.

>>716115593
They sold that and Tomb Raider right? Why did they do that anyway?

>>716117705
>Microsoft market cap, creators of DA XBOX: 3.8t

XCHADS WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK

Good

>>716118081
Part of the Crystal Dynamics sale. They sold that because of how fucking hard the Avengers failed.

>all of these retards ITT thinking square enix is a video game company anymore
lol
lmao even

>>716115412 (OP)
Squaresoft died a long time ago.

>>716118198
Also because they wanted money NOW for the at-the-time CEO's NFT/cryptocurrency ambitions

>716118279
?

>>716115628
Well that's one good thing at least

>>716118329
https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/58/Square_Enix

>>716115412 (OP)
GOOD FUCKING GOD, GET TEAM ASANO OUT OF THERE ALREADY

I find these threads exhausting because it seems no one here is even aware that Square puts out a lot of turn based classic RPGs throughout the year. People just screech about Rebirth or Forspoken, but ignore games like Star Ocean, the Romancing Saga remakes, Octopath, Visions of Mana, Fantasian and their smaller and not always great games like Diofield Chronicles or Harvestella.

I dunno, it's just annoying seeing people shit on Square when they put out more games than a lot of their competition. Someone brought up Atlas and what games have they released in the last 5 years? Metaphor and SMTV? That's it. Square may not always put out a 10/10 game, but they are constantly releasing fun and creative JRPGs and I think it would be a real loss if they actually went bankrupt.

>>716115412 (OP)
Thank God. I hope they actually die this time. Should have gone down after Spirits Within. Please Christ let it die

>>716118593
>turn based classic RPGs
>Star Ocean
>Visions of Mana
anon...

>>716116821
Oh man I always forgot that this was the initial direction for what eventually became Forspoken
So what happened?
>The game's writing team includes Gary Whitta, Amy Hennig, Allison Rymer, and Todd Stashwick.[8][12] Bear McCreary and Garry Schyman composed music for the game.[8] The team approached Brandon Sanderson for the project, but he declined the offer as he was working on another video game project (later revealed to be Moonbreaker) at that time.[13] Consulting company Black Girl Gamers provided feedback for main character Frey.
>Consulting company Black Girl Gamers provided feedback for main character Frey.
Holy mother of grifting, hahahahahah holy fucking shit wow

>>716118198
That seems like short sighted and poor decision

>>716118593
it's because all of those games are complete dogshit

>>716115412 (OP)
After what they did to the FF7 remake, good

>>716118124
>is the shining example of the AAA crash
>Xchads are winning
Xbots are the stupidest fanbase to exist.

>>716115412 (OP)
Why do they even have an European Branch? They should have no branches at all and make everything in Japan, it was only when they did this that their games had soul

>>716116885
Jap government would not allow it

>>716118081
To be brought by sony

>>716118707
>Square-Enix drive for a new internally developed game engine dies because they got tricked by this BLM offshoot spawn. Which in turn now has sentenced us to Unreal Engine pajeet assets
This is such a macabre string of events

>>716118770
They're paralyzed and divided. Either they sell themselves to China or America and no one in America wants to buy SE.

>>716118593
The retards want SE to make an AAA turd based game but they also say SE should cut the budgets on all their games. Overall just a vocal minority of schizos who will seethe no matter what SE does.

>>716118124
Yeah but the potential is no longer there due to Competency Crisis and pajeet CEOs. All their IPs are dead and they keep laying people off

>>716118856
Sony? Phill wanted to buy them, but Nutella dont wanna spend in gaming anymore

Maybe stop doubling down on the shit that players are complaining about?

>>716115412 (OP)
i don't know how they fucked up so badly. they were 10 years too late for an ff7 remake and turned it into a bloated mess.
nintendo games barely had voice acting until just recently which goes to show just how many games square could've made with its massive budgets

>>716119025
Square-Enix feels the need to constantly reinvent the wheel. Right now the cope is if they find this magical action rpg game template FF is saved.
Meanwhile all they had to do was release at the very least 7-8/10 rated games and a consistent basis.

>>716118124
Yeah but the potential is no longer there due to Competency Crisis and pajeet CEOs. All their IPs are dead and they keep laying people off

>>716116958
>Platinum's Babylon's fall
Oh man I remember how the first trailer looked actually good and then the second trailer looked like FUCKING SHIT
Then the demo came out and it was as bad as everyone thought it was going be
It was stiff as fuck.

>>716115412 (OP)
I hope Nintendo buys Square Enix. This would allow Monolith Soft to remake Xenogears or release a sequel. Not only that but Nintendo could force Square Enix to develop a Pokemon MMO, since both Nintendo and Game Freak have no experience in developing MMOs

>>716115412 (OP)
>Bet on PS5 exclusives
>Go bankrupt
lmao

>>716115450
Bring back sakaguchi.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xuWkvyeAu0E

>>716116172
agreeable grunt

>>716119348
False. They should do more PS5 eclusives since the switch 2 isnt selling well

>>716115412 (OP)
Two more weeks, this time for reals of course!

>>716115497
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE GAMES BASED TO YOUR OWN VISION, THEY MUST BE THE SAME STYLE EVERY TIME!!!!!!
>I DON'T CARE IF YOU WANT TO INNOVATE OR TRY SOMETHING NEW, JUST MAKE IT THE SAME AS LITERALLY EVERY OTHER FUCKING GAME!!!!!!!!!
>YOU'RE GOING BANKRUPT!? GOOD! THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT MAKING TURN BASED SLOP #3858294829381!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are Final Fantasy "fans" so genuinely psycopathic? What the fuck is wrong with you vile cretins?

>>716118593
>Square puts out a lot of turn based classic RPGs throughout the year
And that's kinda one of their issues. I mean, nothing wrong with those games, the ones i tried are fun too, but they don't really advertise them much and to the general public they are all "square enix's turn based RPG #X".
They don't need to do an AAA game, they need to make a game that will grab people's attention.

>>716119882
Worked for dragon quest. The last one sold the best out of the 11 turnbased games.

>>716115412 (OP)
this is them signaling
they're going to shut down publishing games in eurostan
we tried to warn you, you voted for this, the monkey's paw continues to curl

>>716115618
saga frontier 2 remastered?
within the past 12 months, revenge of the seven?

I don't even know what SE is doing nowadays. I know they had that FF16 game which seemed rather mild at best and then some re-releases of their older games with censorship on top. If that's all they've got I guess it's not surprising.

>>716119978
>Worked for dragon quest.
Good for them then. DQ isn't really a Square property. It's like Sega and Atlus. People think DQ is a Square joint when it existed along side FF before they merged. There's just no specific studio/company for them like with Atlus. In other words: they're two different franchises and visions under the same roof.

>>716117489
"remaking" ff7 was the dumbest shit they could ever do
the good news is it means they now will never remake chrono nigger, the worst game ever made

>Capcom went from near bankruptcy to making money hand over fist

How did they do it?

>>716120449
>near bankruptcy
When?

>>716120468
RE4 before they ported it to the PS2, 360 generation

>>716120449
With Wilds and DD2 they burned a lot of goodwill. Theyre also running out RE games to remake.

They should remake Squaresoft...

>>716117084
It is funny how fumbling in transition to full-HD almost killed them and they found their lifeline in GBA/DS market, but then they still decided to double down on trying to do AAA megaproductions as Playstation true believers instead of pumping out AA RPGs on Switch.

>>716115412 (OP)
This is what happens when you decide to release all your AAA games as ps5 exclusives
Ps5 owners don't play games

>>716117679
With the state of Square Enix, Funny that nier 3 was a gacha called reincarnation that was shut down last year...

>>716119421
You need a autismo like sakaguchi who crushes any notion of removing turn based combat like he did when he was at squaresoft. After he left when they merged with enix it all went to shit.

>>716118124
Yeah but the potential is no longer there due to Competency Crisis and pajeet CEOs. All their IPs are dead and they keep laying people off

>>716120645
If their ff7 remake is anything is to go by you'll get trianglesoft instead of squaresoft that youre asking for.

>>716120885
literally fucking this, why is square so fucking retarded and out of touch? this isn't fucking 1997

>>716115862
>>716115715
This.
Despite that, the issue is that Square suits have gaslit themselves into believing no one cares about turn-based games nowadays (see Yoshi P's comments on FF16 not being turn-based) which leads to their turn-based games (new and remakes) getting little to no marketing.
There are hardly any ads or posts by Square about any of those games.

>>716119240
I don't care what anyone says, I wish I could play this in 2025. They made it so you can play Avengers today, but I kinda don't like it. Crystal Dynamics doesn't know how to make fun games so them making a live service game was a mistake.

>>716117084
Also didn't help they intentional sabotaged anything that isn't AAA.

>>716115497
>What is Dragon Quest?
>What is Bravely Default?
>What is Octopath?
>What is SaGa?

Franchises shouldnt outlive their original creators vision.

>>716121497
>DragonBall slop
>Chibislop
>Pixelslop
>What is that?

>>716121539
They're all turn based RPGs you retards claim Square doesn't make anymore.

>>716121539
good to know you waste your real life turns being retarded

>>716118593
I spend every waking moment doing everything I can to protect SE's reputation online and sometimes it feels like I'm wasting my time. It's really not fair.

>>716118593
Engagement rage bait has ruined online discourse forever.
Why discuss some fun niche JRPG series like SaGa when tards can instead seethe about Forespoken for the 2489th time.

>>716118928
I'm just glad there are people like us who will support SE no matter what they do.

>>716115412 (OP)
GET WOKE GO BROKE

>>716121497
you forgot live a live
and they're porting ff tactics to pc finally

>>716121936
>ff tactics port
>but with Yoshi P directing
the monkey paw in effect

>>716115412 (OP)
Unfortunately if they just stop developing altogether, they could probably coast on ffxiv subscriptions alone for at least a few years.

>>716115450
>MAKE A GOOD GAME
Uh...? Like woke and boring, this...?

>>716122060
unlikely, ffxiv subscription numbers are in free fall since they released Dawnfail

>>716121936
They also ported Fantasian
Turnbasedfags are posers
Remember the constant bikini schizo and fanservicefags? No one bought Edens zero

>>716122096
>No one bought Edens zero
Because no one know what it is.

>>716121539
Splendid master Anon! It worked wonders

>>716118035
They should have made verum rex a new ip, KH is way too heavy and even millennials feel lazy to remember the lore
It's retarded to think a new ip, with no burden behind, attractive characters and good action rpg wouldn't be popular

>>716122096
>>716122142
Exactly, Square refuses to invest in marketing their turn-based games nowadays. Then they're surprised when hardly anyone buys them on release, most jrpg enjoyers I know only find out some of these games are out like a year later.

>>716118707
Never knew about Bear until recently because he was on the recent RedLetterMedia Best of the Worst episode.

>>716118707
It's funny all the writers for the game deny that the final script had their involvement. The script writing for the game is painfully written by westerners with how Faye talks.

>>716115450
PREASE UNDASTANDU

RE NEED TO MAKE-A DA BAD MOBIRE NFT GAMEU

PEEPOO DO NOT RANT ARPEEGEE ANYMOLE. EXPEEDEECHUN THILTY-THLEE? NOT REAR GAMEU. PURE RUCK.

>>716117717
They should hire Taro to write the script for Stellar Blade 2. It's not like he's doing anything with SE.

>>716118593
Jrpgfags are the most obnoxious fans to exist
>FF thread
DQ/ATELIER/TALES/TRAILS/Persona/*insertgame nobody talks about it here*
ARE BETTER, FFfags are CULTISTS FUCK SESHILLS
>DQ thread
FF/ATELIER/TALES/TRAILS/Persona/*insertgame nobody talks about it here* , DQfags are CULTISTS FUCK SESHILLS
>Atelier thread
FF/DQ/TALES/TRAILS/Persona/*insertgame nobody talks about it here*
ARE BETTER, Atelierfags are CULTISTS FUCK GUSTSHILLS
>Tales of thread
DQ/ATELIER/FF/TRAILS/Persona/*insertgame nobody talks about it here*
ARE BETTER, talesfags are CULTISTS FUCK BAMCOSHILLS
>Trails thread
DQ/ATELIER/TALES/FF/Persona/*insertgame nobody talks about it here*
ARE BETTER, Trailsfags are CULTISTS FUCK FALCOMSHILLS
>Persona thread
DQ/ATELIER/TALES/TRAILS/FF/*insertgame nobody talks about it here*
ARE BETTER, Personafags are CULTISTS FUCK ATLUST SHILLS
>Game nobody talks about gets a remake
ACTUALLY THIS GAME WAS NEVER GOOD

>>716119421
>>716115450
>>716115450
>/v/ is full of casual niggers who only pay attention to AAA games
Wow! Who could've guessed? Sakaguchi has been back at square for half a decade and released a well received game just last december

>>716121852
SaGa had some threads when the RS2 remake was out and we had a dedicated schizo ruining it
It's like they only want Fire Emblem and Pokemon threads, since abib made vrpg because he was seething at Rean memes taking over Xenoblade 2 memes and he even made vst only because some Korean niche game triggered

>>716121284
You could try talking about those games instead of making the 997th yoshida thread instead

>>716115412 (OP)
how the hell are they bankrupt if they decided to dip into the mobile market with their own gacha? certainly they dipped into it because they know how to take advantage of that market, and not out of blind greed BECAUSE THEY FUCKING NUKED A FEW DOZEN FRANCHISES WITH STABLISHED CONSUMMER BASES TRYING TO GET LIL JIMMY'S SOFTCORE PORN MONEY ARE THEY EVEN TRYING TO COMPETE WITH SHIT LIKE GACHA IMPACT AND WHATEVER JUNK FLAVOR OF THE MONTH SLAVES I MEAN SALARYMEN AND KIDS ARE WASTING THEIR MONEY INTO THESE DAYS?! FUCKING TOMB RAIDER GOT RAPED FOR THIS
AND DEUS EX
AND FINAL FANTASY
AND XENOGEARS
AND

>>716115412 (OP)
Serves them right for butchering FF7

>>716122096
no idea what either of those are, but i'm glad for you or i'm sorry that happened, though

>>716122571
it's the trailspedo schizo, he has a specific hateboner for saga for whatever reason, but also for square as a whole

>>716122637
I don't make those threads but I can't hide my hatred for him after those comments he made, honestly.
I try to do what little I can to spread word about those other games on twitch but what really is needed is Square not neglecting the releases of their turn-based games. The way they handle it is an easy setup for failure.

>>716115450
All the talent left after The Spirits Within flopped and the Enix merger happened.

>>716115569
Yeah, because Rebirth's exclusive launch on PS5 was so successful.

>>716122804
the timeline, as i understand it
spirits within costs them 100m or whatever and flops -> sakagooch axed -> tons of people leave in response -> bankrupted by spirits within flopping -> getting bought by enix -> more people leave in response

Why can't they make a turn-based rpg like CO:E33 but with Nier girls like 2B so you can admire her ass while waiting for your turn?

>>716115412 (OP)

that's what happens when you don't feed your golden goose

chinese companies already figured this shit out with their first major games: reinvest heavily to generate exponential profit

square enix had this opportunity at the peak of covid lockdowns as well as XIV's massive spike in popularity and completely fucking blew it by doing nothing

>>716115412 (OP)
fucking finally
>death will keep your culture fresh -Einstein, probably

>>716115412 (OP)
GET WOKE GO BROKE

>>716122934
consulting companies like Sweet Baby have to be the only reason, it sounds too easy and obvious for a successful game and yet they haven't bothered
the closest they did was the Romancing SaGa 2 remake last year, but that hardly got any marketing beyond a trailer or two

>>716122913
Yeah, it was bad. They really started milking the FF series hard after that too, with all kinds of spinoffs and "compilations", sequels to mainline FF games, MMOs using the mainline FF numbers. Kids today might not know, but the FF series used to be prestigious. The mainline games had serious prestige behind them.

>>716123080
The game sold over a million, that's really good for a SaGa game, anon.

so uhh, what games does square enix europe make?

>>716123151
I know, but it could have been better had they invested more. Square won't take it into consideration unless it does a lot more.

>>716119882
Faggot.

>>716119882
turd based sissies are a vocal minority.

>>716116172
Avengers is a vanity project. What Square Enix really expected was for XVI to become a huge hit, as it's the newest addition to their flagship franchise. Unfortunately, it spun its wheels with a $300 million blunder.

>>716121539
>slop slop slop
Are we now pretending that Final Fantasy is somehow better than all these other games? Hilarious, cute.

>>716123492
Now post BG3 and Clair Obscur numbers.

>>716123151
the very first saga game was square's first ever million unit seller

>>716115450
>JUST MAKE A GAME
more like it, FF9 remake, KH4, DQ12 all abondonware

>>716115412 (OP)
>our ff brand keep weakening and weakening, what should we do
>make a bootleg dmc with full of le epic moments of monsters fighting so zoomers can clip it and put in tick tock and get upvoted, also don't forget to put the gay people so blackrock keep supporting us

>>716123605
>BG3
sold less than Elden Ring and isn't 4 trannies in a row
>E33
QTE parry slop

>>716121539
It's fine to not like JRPGs.

>>716123663
>our ff brand keep weakening and weakening, what should we do
We also got Stranger of Paradise, the best FF game to date.

>>716123732
Yeah and SE also made sure Team Ninja mess up the PC port also barely promote it, that'll bring public trust back to the FF brand

the samefag schizo is here shilling his flopshit.

>>716123797
>mess up the PC port
It ran fine on my Linux rig, but you're right the port is dogshit.
KT still haven't fixed the issue in the engine when their games slow down to a crawl when you go 2-5 fps below the intended frame rate.

>>716123663
>, also don't forget to put the gay people so blackrock keep supporting us
this is their entire problem

>>716115412 (OP)
>good news
kek
haven't played a square enix game in a decade, maybe they should've rethought their shitty ps exlusivity deals.

>>716123978
>maybe they should've rethought their shitty ps and epic exlusivity deals.
they did, now they have a Switch 2 exclusivity deal

>>716115412 (OP)
..but last year they had "extraordinary losses", and you're saying this year is even worse than that?

oh, its over lads

>>716123732
It's insane how much better Stranger of Paradise is as a Final Fantasy themed action rpg than FFXVI. Like, it's a damn good game that expertly adapts classic FF jobs into the action genre.
In true Square fashion though, they hardly advertised it, and what little was shown was disjointed and confusing, most didn't even know what type of game it was because they just showed random cutscenes about muh Chaos.
Why is modern Square full of retards god damn it.

Why did yoshitpiss kill Final Fantasy?

>>716123797
It was around 2022 I think where they released tons of AA games together without marketing, so weird

>>716123605
>Not even using japanese games anymore
Haha....

>>716115862
Riddle me this. Why aren't those games named Final Fantasy and why their AAA action games must be called Final Fantasy?
>>716119882
Literally nothing wrong with that. People associate FF with turn-based for a reason and you dont just drastically change the direction of the series and expect no reprecussions for it.
> You come to Burger King
> You expect a burger
> Not a salad
> Regardless of how healthy it is.
It's that simple.

>>716123492
>over 50% in China
lol
lmao

>>716124343
gaslit himself into believing jrpgs were hated in current year after getting ragebaited by early 2000s american reviewers that hated anything japanese

Barry won
Yoshit Piss in shambles

>>716115450
It's hard to make good games in censorious environment brought on by ESG commitment. Also, they willingly hire foreigners to police their products, the so-called ethics department, so no matter what they do it will always get rejected by their own ethics depo

>>716124343
FF has been dead for 20 years

Serves them right after what they did to Visions of Mana

how's that ethics department working out for you, penix?
go under
go under
go under
GO UNDER

>>716124521
Success scales with Tifa's tit size

>>716122776
No, it's the FE autistic fanbase attacking other jrpgs.

>>716124343
>You took out the RPG in JRPG
>No, we didn't
In fact, he did.
I'm sure his retarded brain thought that dialogue/dogshit quest design in XIV = RPG and thus copied that shit into XVI.

>>716124065
are you retarded? OP is about the european branch, which is near non existant already.
square is doing alright overall.

>>716122776
>FEtroon really trying his saga vs trails vs square Enix
Lmao

It's over.

>>716124767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtVewKa8T2I
replace Homer with Yoshi P

Why are you so in love with yoshi Peepee? You should have this dedication to talk about turn based games

>>716124839
Yoshitpiss my dick

>>716115412 (OP)
oh no

>>716115412 (OP)
Good. Serves you right for censoring games you cunts

>Can't make good final fantasy games anymore
>DQXI released in 2017, it'll probably be a decade by the time DQXII comes out
>No one cares about Kingdom Hearts anymore
>All of their mobile games are dying
>FFXIV is dying too
>Self sabotages nearly every single minor release like FFT remake

This company has been coasting on Sony exclusivity cheques for a very long time.

>>716115412 (OP)
damn maybe they should make a real final fantasy and stop tonguing western nigger anus for 5 fucking minutes if they don't want to die. Turns out the vocal minority of trannies and niggers doesn't actually fucking buy videogames just like we have been saying for 20 fucking years.

>>716125001
>No one cares about Kingdom Hearts anymore
This triggers me because they really forced Nomura to make KH4 when he wanted to make verum red 13. By the time verum rex is allowed to be done millennials and zoomers will be old as fuck
Also them selling tomb raider, hitman etc for peanuts kek

>>716125001
It's really funny that they have a potential free money machine if they were willing to whore out girls like Tifa, Garnet, and Lulu in a coomer gacha but they just won't.

>>716125113
I dont think you understand how gacha works.

>>716125113
You have gachas like bleach and Naruto with summer Orihime etc fucking eosing anon
Besides jrpgs have been dropping sales thanks to gacha, and they take too many years to make sequels, see persona

>>716115412 (OP)
BALAN WONDERWORLD, NEVER FORGET

>>716125217
Gacha is a good way to kill your franchise even if the last game was very successful

>>716125001
Oh, I forgot. SE is pretty much forced to release FF7R3 despite them knowing it's going to be an unmitigated disaster because it'll be humiliating if they don't.

>>716115453
FF doomposters are the worst kind of shitposters on this board. The irony is that they are the only ones actually caring about new SQ games

So wtf was this

>>716125174
You're right I don't

>>716125410
It's FF haters too obsessed with the company despite them taking care of SaGa , DQ and even remastering bd2 for switch 2

>>716125425
pointless shock value discussionbait and expectation subversion that doesn't even achieve anything

one of many examples of the remakes pretending they're doing something when they're actually doing nothing

>>716125425
Remake being mysteriously inconsistent.

>>716118707
>>716118814
The problem was never the main character being black. It was all the other stuff wrong with it.

>>716125425
Jenova messing with Cloud

>release Nier Automata 2 with the double of ass
>???
>company is saved
it's not that hard, instead of pandering to gays, just get the gacha gooners money
or a Parasite Eve 4/Remake, you fucked up with the franchise releasing The 3rd Birthday.

>Square-enix releases that's been done right in the past decade.
-Nier Automata
-Star Ocean 2 Second Story R
-Trails of Mana Remake
-Dragon Quest 11
-Octopath Traveler 1+2
-Triangle Strategy
-Romancing Saga 2 Remake

>Square-enix releases that's been brute forced into success in the past decade.
-Final Fantasy 7 Remake entries
-Final Fantasy 14
-Final Fantasy 15

>Square-enix releases that's a cheap cash grab and everyone knows it in the past decade.
-Final Fantasy I-VI collection
-Legend of Mana
-Final Fantasy Tactics Remaster

>Square-enix releases that's fumbled the ball in the past decade but deserves a pass.
-Neo TWEWY
-Fantasian Neo Dimension
-Visions of Mana
-Star Ocean 6

>Square-enix releases in the past decade that still debated if good or not.
-Final Fantasy 16
-Valkyrie Elysium
-Oninaki

>Square-enix releases that are the oddballs of the past decade but people still like them.
-World of Final Fantasy
-Stranger in Paradise
-Harvestella
-Diofield Chronicle
-Live a Live
-I am setsuna

>Square-enix releases that's dropped the ball completely in the past decade.
-Anything Bravely Default related
-Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Remastered
-Star Ocean 5
-Forespoken
-Babylon Fall

>Square-enix releases that's fucked up completely but can still do no wrong and will make money this pass decade.
-Kingdom Hearts 3 and Kingdom Hearts anything.

>>716117040
There's a good chance that Emerald Beyond is a more expensive game to produce than Expedition 33. Despite looking like a low budget mobage.

>>716125662
>Nier Automata
>not pandering to gays
boy you really are clueless aren't you

>>716125662
SE always pandered to gays, they have a lot of fujos there

>>716115412 (OP)
>>716115450
They could’ve continued making big budget FFs that continues the combat of FFX like how V-IX continued the combat of X but they got a bug in them that turn based is horrible and that the audience that made them worth a billion dollars actually hates RPGs for some reason.

How many times has Square almost gone bankrupt now?

>>716126118
Japanese boomers don't know English and they still have ptsd with western journalists mocking japanese games, if you are a millennial you would remember phantasy star star ocean etc etc etc used to get 7s or 6s

Just release more games with niggers and parade your pride mascot with trannyflag around and it will fix all your problems. Free tip.

>>716126183
Yes it’s very sad, they tried appealing to people that would always hate them instead of their core audience.
The fun part is that the same anti-jrpg journos and goons all trooned out and they still harass jrpgs just from the other side
from “ffx looks too gay!” to “ffxvi doesn’t have enough black people”

>sakaguchi killed FF
>Nomura killed FF
>Toriyama killed FF
>Yoship killed FF
Damn you have such a weird obsession with this ip, don't you have any other jrpg to be obsessed about

>>716126403
>>sakaguchi killed FF
no
>>716126403
>>Nomura killed FF
no
>>716126403
>>Toriyama killed FF
yes
>tabata killed ff
yes

>>716126352
>ffxvi doesn’t have enough black people”
This one just exposed the grifters since ff16 has a lot of middle east npcs , I remember the magazine saying this having ZERO nog in their staff.
>all trooned out and they still harass jrpgs just from the other side
If anything I'm seeing trannies and roasties trying to link jrpgs/anime with trannies and browns now, my guess is they are getting old

>>716125662
>Parasite Eve 4/Remake
No, they would just fuck it up again and you know it

>>716126478
>Parasite Eve Reboot
ftfy, just reboot the series with improved gameplay from 1 and without the cheap Thing plot knockoff

>>716119743
The Tifa one is a legit design change but the DQ one are just senseless censorship

>>716126471
>Middle East NPCs
not good enough, it has to be an African phenotype or well disparage your game
something something horseshoe theory

>>716126579
It's like when they made the prince of persia a black guy when be was already Persian

>>716123512
It’s 1st to 3rd release in the frabchise and then the latest right?, Doesn’t that mean that the budget for FFXVI is being compared to the budget for FFIII?
If so, what’s real surprising here is that XVI’s budget isn’t like 2 or 3 orders of magnitude above FFIII

>>716117123
>with being a mediocre as E33
You should work for Squeenix, you seem as savy on what is a good jrpg as the best nigger troons among them kek

>>716116958
They probably already started ff17 development so they won't copy expedition
If anything it will be action again, closer to rebirth and controlling a party this time
Not being tied to snoy and being a new story should help

>>716126837
E33 is okay at best. Still should serve as a wake-up call for Squenix, but people praise it like the second coming of Jesus Christ like there haven't been better turn-based rpgs released in the past 20 years.

>>716126936
>Not being tied to snoy and being a new story should help
yes, should help being a total failure yet again kek

>>716126936
>>716127213
My hot take is that Square should hire the Labyrinth of Touhou people because that’s an ATB game that is actually still an RPG that has fast exhilarating combat while still allowing for deep robust character building.
It’s like Square could please everyone at once.

>>716118735
>>716118958

you illiterate twats, he's using Xbox to point out the fallacy of looking at market caps as gauge of gaming success.

>>716115412 (OP)
Who cares? EU and NA branches of japanese companies don’t make the games. They just distribute the localizations.

>>716115412 (OP)
>Squeenix thread
>everyone talking about some irrelevant chinkslop game and how "they must be scared of it"
Huh? Is this some new convoluted ad scheme?

Why is there some schizo who is obsessed with Square going under or something?
Did Square's CEO rape their dog?

Why is there some schizo who is obsessed with defending Square or something?
Did Square's CEO marry their dog?

>>716127560
Isn't it a nintendie? He is mad at Capcom and Sega too

>>716126736
Only for some franchises like Horizon and RDR1. Look at the release dates for a more accurate description. 2006 should be the budget for FF12, followed by FF13, FF15.

>>716127560
Maybe some big company wants to buy it so they spent a lot of money in shitposters constantly spamming the same threads

OOOOOOOOoooooooommmmmmm

Square-Enix is stuck in what I like to call the divisiveness trap. Every single game since FFXII is very divisive sure some game might in general tilt towards being a bit more liked/disliked but its not enough to send a signal at the top. Because factors such as high production values which lead to good visuals, soundtrack etc tends to be enough to tilt a game towards a 6/10 at least. I truly dislike for example FFXV but, its still not the 4/10 trainwreck it needs to be, to send to these inept senile retards the message. We need a FF game that's universally despised on the level of Forspoken for these morons to get the hint.

>>716126570
The Tifa one isn't any different, it just looks like it had more effort.

>>716128019
It also worked for cosplayers since the open skirt is more comfortable for them

>>716118593
Pretty sure if we had IDs we would see it’s probably just a few retards shitposting

>>716115450
It's functionally impossible, all the devs are activists and are burrowed into the industry like ticks.

SquareSoft was great.
Enix was great.
Square-Enix has been around for over 20 years and has barely put out a single game worth buying. What the fuck happened?

>>716118707
>Consulting company Black Girl Gamers
US identity politics is so absolutely shameless, what's next Black Girl Shogi players & Black Girl Polo enthusiast?

>>716115412 (OP)
Is SE even doing anything beyond milking older FF entries to death?

>>716127479
But it means whatever JP makes is not selling.

>>716128973
yeah they're milking xiv players dry through the cash shop

last I heard NA and EU branches were cancer

>>716129035
He's too retarded to understand the the main purpose of these regional branches is for "INSERT COMPANY NAME" to self publish and market these games.
Please be patient

This obsession is starting to look a bit artificial.

>>716115412 (OP)
Game companies aren't meant to branch out. They're not sustainable

>>716115412 (OP)
Fear not my friends. #NFT #WEB3 #squareenix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lngJnSLx4hA

>>716127812
The problem is that nowadays every FF is so different from before there’s no reason to get excited for the new one.
1-10 you had a pretty reasonable expectation of what you were getting into with a FF game, but now there’s no guarantee. the consumer base for the franchise is extremely divided.

>>716127361
jeetsoft is carried by Windows so it's not the same - it's easily explained

Square though? Even their gachaslop and NFT misadventures failed alongside their vidya

>>716128703
it's so fucking retarded from a pure business POV too: like, how many fucking black girl gamers are there?
why the fuck would you market a AAA game for such a niche market?
it's doomed from the start but I guess Squeenix like to light money on fire

>>716115450
They are trapped in the ps1/2 mentality and they didn't learn from the the ps3 era. The problem lies in the production part taking years and years since their games need to be AAA with super graphics and 3 hours of cinematics with even better graphics and super dramatic storylines.

>>716129179
Probably some buy-out like they said.

>>716127812
>We need a FF game that's universally despised on the level of Forspoken for these morons to get the hint.
It doesn't work for companies like this. They will blame something else entirely, like actually believing something like >>716115497

>>716115412 (OP)
I would love for that to be true. They did good work until enix
From that point on, they've had it too good for WAY too long. Since they have business ventures outside gaming, I doubt they'll actually go bankrupt anytime soon.
The real question is, who would be the best fit to buy them out? If sega could afford it, I'd almost say them, but bamco might be a good opinion too
>>716115450
Fans want expectations to be subverted, to waifufag out, movie wark arong open worrd sprendor, segways, QTEs, gay shit, 15 trirrion porygons at 2fps, and much more
Prease undustandu

Why does nobody care about Fantasian
Sakaguchi is even making the sequel for you

>>716115412 (OP)
serve's them right for bending the knee to the twitter crowd

>>716130031
I'm actually enjoying ng+ on fantasian atm
Thanks for the heads up, anon. that's heartening news in these troubling times for square rpgs

>>716115450
because no matter how good the concept is, the same useless desk humping faggots and landwhales who do nothing on overblown salaries, will nuke it and make it PR friendly snoozefest that nobody wants to play

>>716115450
Bro your romancing saga?

>>716129876
>action combat is the answer, we just need 10 more shit games until we crack the code.
Grim

Jrpg is still risky. Even Atlus needs years to release p6 and metaphor was in development hell for almost a decade.
Even expedition 33 is counting with Koreans for the animation.
Reality is nips are way too slow to release jrpgs now and need to rely on Koreans or chinks if they want to release games faster since japanese boomers didn't train young people for shit.
That said SE should go full multiplatform and accept mapamundi is valid

>>716123026
To be fair, they did reinvest somewhat by adding servers and updating the graphics. These are hugely expensive things.
But there's only so much that can be done when working with a horribly coded mess like XIV, while also only being able to draw from Japan's 2020s talent pool when it comes to hiring.
What could really shake things up is if they set up a Chinese studio to start work on XIV... which they did for the mobile version.

>>716130272
Mmo is just an outdated concept, kids like gachas these days.
14 should end and release an offline version already

They never made a good jrpg intentionally or at least with the turn-based element as their major focus, it just happened because they wanted to make something different.. Let it go, they don't know how to make these anymore and they prefer wasting billions on something they think it'll do mediocre like action game FF16 than wasting money on something they don't know it'll be received as well based on other jrpg/turn-based games like SaGa or Bravely Default or Octopath Traveler

>>716118081
Because they had no plans to ever make a sequel and Embracer did.

>>716115497
This, simple as

>>716130242
>ff16 would have sold 10 million if it was turn based

>>716130738
well true, the pacing between major kaiju battles was closer to a turn-based rpg than the action game it claimed it was

>>716130390
An offline version means you'll never by FF17 MMO, so no way

>>716115743

>We asked SE to remake FF7 with better graphics for 20 years
>they finally do it
>they do it in the dumbest and gayest way possible

>>716130949
>FF17
Wasn't that going to be like Elden Ring: Nightreign but with characters based on classic FF jobs because SE wants chase that trend?

>>716123813
SoP did that badly? That's a shame, it legitimately looks fun. I've had it on my "I should check that out" list for a while.

>>716131453
Final Fantasy Battle Royale?

>>716115412 (OP)
>westoid branch
it can just crash and die for all I care lmao

>>716131662
Yes, isn't that trend like at least a decade too late to chase because of oversaturation?

>>716123813
I can't believe SoP sold that poorly. What's the source?

>>716126403
I can't believe XI/XII/XIII/XIV/XV/XVI killed SE.

>>716115641
>SaGa
DoA lol

>>716131715
How well did Nightreign sell?

>>716126403
It's pretty weird.

>>716124465
I mean, there are a LOT of Chinks. What do you expect them to play, tranny games like Veilguard, like people play in the US?

>losing money= bankrup
i go bankrupt every day i go out to drink

>>716115412 (OP)
>Squeenix Euro

stop making woke tranny games

>>716115450
You mean like stranger of paradise, neo twewy and Valkyrie elisium?
Fucking retard

>>716116821
Maybe they'll try to actually make this game now that their other shit failed. I somehow don't think they will.

>>716131932
They're doomed.

>>716118593
>remake slop versions of games I played decades ago and ugly HD-2D garbage
yeah I fucking wonder why.

>>716131932
those games weren’t that good

>>716115412 (OP)
>Squeenix EU
>All it does is publishing the games made by the Jap and US branches and Indie publishing like Powerwash sim and Little Goody Two Shoes
Probably not even losing 1/8th what Flopspoken cost

Don't worry, we're saving Square Enix Europe this October

>>716115618
DT was over a year ago

>>716115412 (OP)
All I wanted was Final Fantasy 7 with modern graphics, that's it. It would have sold 10 million units.

>>716131851
Anon don’t try to reason with these people, just laugh at their stupidity. It’s just like people saying sony is going bankrupt

>>716115412 (OP)
Honestly, deserved. Now watch them mismanage their talent and diverting funds from the games that actually make a profit to fund another gigaflop

>>716115412 (OP)
Square really wants to be a western developer, for whatever reason.

>>716132250
You kinda asked too much...

>>716132250
Now that Expedition 33 proved that people actually like turn based games, its really funny the route they went with the FF7 "remakes".

>>716125694
you're an absolute retard

>>716118593
>Visions of Mana
RIP in fucking piss

>>716115412 (OP)
about fucking time

>>716132602
People like to repeat this, but E33 isn't just turn-based, it's a hybrid system and FF7R has that as well.

>>716132602
Square is a living monkey’s paw these days so they’ll make the big budget turn based game but the combat will suck and have no depth and it’ll be another failure.
It’s not “turn based is inherently good” it’s that turn based is a good combat system for facilitating the kind of gameplay that RPG fans like.
The problem wasn’t just abandoning turn based, it was focusing on gameplay styles that FF fans weren’t interested in.

>>716115412 (OP)
>Foamstars $80 million flopped
>Forspoken $100-$150million flopped
>FFXVI $250million massively underperformed to SE expectations, did not break even.
>Marvel Guardians of the Galaxy $80-$100million flopped
>Marvel Avengers $250million flopped
>Babylon's Fall $50million flopped
>FF7Rebirth massively underperformed to SE's expectations, did not break even.
>Visions of Mana $30million did not break even

There are a bunch of AA titles they released that also went nowhere.

They've got an Amongus Clone game they spent way too much money producing Killer Inn, it has no buzz around it at all and will flop.

>>716118593
>but ignore games like literal remake slop, octopath traveler and the other 50 games based on it where they put old ugly sprites in generic UE5 environments
WOW, Squeenix I kneel, you're the king of good games!

Where did this Athena channel come from? I only noticed it a few days ago and why is it so based https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agY-m4YMZlA ? I can't think of another content creator around FF14 that would have the balls to talk about half of this shit.

>>716132998
>Guardians of the Galaxy
Wasn't that shadowdropped out of nowhere with no marketing at all or I confuse that with another game?
not defending I'm just trying to remember if that was the GotG game that came out of nowhere one day

>>716115412 (OP)
Their yurop branch is like 6 people and a handful of servers for ffxiv though. They sold everything of value to Embracer for $18 worth of NFTs years ago.

>>716115450
https://youtu.be/vxKgG7p_Afo?si=t6jzV8_mRuwmRLDI&t=18

Should have chased what the west actually wanted, weeb shit, instead of making worse versions of western games.

>>716122776
>>716124746
>>716124794
>>716122571
Explain why FE and Xeno threads have schizos that shut down any attempt at conversation.

>>716132998
Know what's wild, they canned Sakaguchi for Spirits Within flopping and it didn't lose anywhere near what Square has lost just in the last decade, let alone since he left https://movieweb.com/final-fantasy-spirits-within-squaresoft/

>>716133168
It’s a remnant of the trancer discord, not that it really matters. It’s just a ragebait channel

>>716127709
That doesn’t paint a pretty picture then. But having played all the listed games I find it extremely hard to believe that FFXVI had a higher budget than XV. It’s a way smaller world, with no main ways to engage with it other than the battle system (no minigames, no fancy interactions or cinematic moments during sidequests), a relatively short runtime (specially if you pass on the side content), less enemy variety, no side dungeons and overall way less systems interacting during combat. Hell, FFXV had a flying car even.

My best guess as to what’s happening here is that marketing budget was counted for XVI and it wasn’t for XV. Also the XV DLC is probably unaccounted for as well.

>>716133168
Stop shilling your channel, modbeast trancer

>>716133170
And it was good, too, unlike the other flops.

>>716133360
Thanks, what is a trancer? I've only seen the new bald headed ginger (the one with the accent) and this pop up recently so was curious.
>>716133386
You dumb bitch I don't even know what a trancer is.

>>716132830
It wasn't just E33 though. It was Metaphor: ReFantazio and Baldur's Gate 3 as well. The audience is sending a very clear message that they like turn based games if its a good game.

>>716116931
>And instead it killed the division working on it
With its fucking mind!

>>716132106
No matter how good they were it has fuck all to do with sales

>>716118593
They want big titles, not some low budget crumbs.

At last the sweet release of death

>>716132602
What's funnier is how you faggots keep ignoring the other turn based games kek

Just make a new MMO. It's saved them twice now already.

>>716133168
It came outta nowhere and suddenly showed up in my recommends.
I subbed.

>>716115412 (OP)
realistically, if they put perfect quality, feature-complete ports of every final fantasy and dragon quest game on every modern console, and just kept the codebase clean so they could make a new collection port on every new system, could they coast on that alone? i feel like dq and ff drones are so mindbroken they prob could, they're almost apple/pokemon fans
for some reason though, they have 0 qa on this shit and put a game on one platform at a time
just imagine you sell a collection to someone, they play 1 game, no others, then next console there's the collection so they rebuy to play another
idk seems easier to me than going bakrupt making shitty AAA wannabe games

>>716133509
>trancer
basically a group of chuunis who roleplayed as edgelords and identified with the villains of xiv as part of their aesthetic. They were a smaller part of a larger dissatisfaction with endwalker’s story.

>>716133989
So they were larping as baddies from the game... Goddamn this game is so shit

>>716133532
>The audience OF THOSE GAMES
i'm sure you wouldn't want dmc turned into a jrpg but with you retards i'm not even sure anymore

>>716134163
action games and rpgs target different gameplay niches so most attempts at combining the two fall flat, you have to understand why people like rpgs and if adding action elements would improve or diminish the gameplay niches of rpgs
unfortunately most people don’t understand this on a conscious level so you have the type of discussion here where turn based or action is treated as a “just add water” base for any game.

>>716115412 (OP)
They did this to themselves. They got what they fucking deserved.

Its was so easy for them to make money.
Rerelease the old games with no censorship at allt. Make their FF games turnbased with no censorship nor current politics gender and race BS.

Stopped listening to the crazy people in the west.

These fuckers would have been swimming in money if they did that.

>>716134163
I'm pretty the audience that loved Final Fantasy 7 would still love a turn based Final Fantasy 7 remake.

>>716117825
it's you dying one the"X-2 bankrupted SE" hill anon when it was one of their best games

>>716134408
action rpgs are inherently flawed as a sub genre and can not be good
>why
action games are based on skill
rpgs are based on stats
when you mix the 2 you end up with a product that can not be balanced to give a consistent experience that rewards exploration of mechanical skill
>but snouls or team ninja slop
perfect examples of my point

that being said, most turn based games, especially jrpgs, are insanely slow for no reason, that could easily, and should, be fixed

>>716133168
I love it, the truthnukes are devastating for ffxiv fanbase to hear

>>716134772
well there’s good slow and bad slow. I enjoy strategic and tactical gameplay and that often involves sitting and thinking for several minutes about the best course of action. But when I do decide on an action it should happen fast. That’s why I love FFX combat so much because it can often put you in tricky situations where you have to sit and think about what to do, but combat speed is otherwise fast and responsive.
I think that the CTB of FFX is just an objectively better version of ATB because it keeps the main benefit of ATB (being able to more immediately feel the difference in speed between two characters) while allowing for faster gameplay as you don’t have to sit and idle as the game’s timeline plays out, while also allowing for more strategic depth with how you can manipulate turns. There are some balance issues, but on the whole CTB is an amazing skeleton that I wish got developed with more games.

>>716118593
Visions of Mana was actually good and everyone disagreeing is a joyless fucker

>>716115412 (OP)
>dragon quest is gonna die thanks to squeenix's retarded obsession with "cinematic games" and its (((ethics department)))
grim

>>716133168
>>716133726
>>716135086
Stop shilling your channel

>>716115412 (OP)
Man someone is desperate constantly spamming these articles, is either tencent, Nintendo or Microsoft the ones trying to buy SE I guess, would explain who is paying for THIS COMPANY IS DYING every 5 minutes

>>716135564
their own shareholders bring up how the company is losing money every meeting lol

>>716135086
I'm not subbed, but it's refreshing to hear someone tell how bad it really is. Not like the ones that waited until it was safe to say the game was absolute shit and this xpack made stormblood look like a fucking masterpiece.

>>716120180
Chomo rigger is way better than most final fantasies.

>>716135684
But it definitely sounds suspicious, my point still stands, overpanic to buy out a company is a very known tactic

>>716135169
the player choosing to be slow is one thing, but why so many devs have 2 textboxes when 1 would suffice, i'll never understand, let along jrpgs where they'll regularly have 3-4 textboxes to say 10 words that easily could have been 1 box
jrpg devs are scary for me to think too much about because *almost* every jrpg is filled with the exact same absolutely retarded design decisions, but the entire industry is staffed by people to stupid to be cognizant of them, they've all just been monkey-see monkey-do'ing for 40 years
every jrpg fan gets defensive about this because they're blind to it too, but once you lay it out they also always seem to agree that yea, there's a shitload of entirely needless waste in these multiple hundreds of hours long games, that if it was cut down could cut the "play" time by tens of hours, and when you get in to the REALLY shitty ones with insanely slow animations you're talking cutting 50 hours out just by having punchier animations
jrpg devs are a blight

>>716135742
Agree completely on Dawntrail making Stormblood look a masterpiece, I still can't believe that there are retards defending Dawntrail by trying to compare it to SB, Sb had Gotsetu, Yotsuyu, Zeno those three alone made it worthwhile for me and made the expansion stand far above Dawntrail and SPLEEEEEEEEEN!

>>716120806
SE is a special kind of retarded company that WILL triple down on the same mindset that almost killed them the last two times if the alternative is admiting that they fucked up 25 years ago.

>>716135742
It's called ragebait

>>716115450
Why make good game when you can outsource everything to India and china

>>716135856
Yes I'm sure japanese suits read threads on video game boards of chinese cartoon forums to decide on what they should buy or sell.

>>716135896
oh yes I agree completely, being designed for consoles is often a crutch jrpg devs use for bad UI design. there’s no reason for there not being an equivalent to the tag system you find in many crpgs today. you hover over a stat or an ability and it will tell you exactly what it’s used for.

>>716135959
I'm going to laugh so hard when they kill Speen off, or she will die to save Wuk Lamat, who goes on to join the Scions. This shit is legit cooked.

>>716133370

Yeah there is no way FFXVI was more expensive than FFXV. Say what you want about Yoshi-P, but as a producer he keeps a tight ship, while FFXV had memetical levels of deadline overruns.

If I had to guess, I'd guess Squeenix at some point of FFXV:s development did some accounting magic to write off parts of the dev time as a pure loss, so hence we aren't getting the real number.

>>716136320
I can see it happening as Sphene jumps in-front of a spear meant for Wuk Lamat "Llamatea I don't belong here because I'm 400 years old I sacrifice my smile for yours"

>>716136434
>Yoshi-P as a producer keeps a tight ship
you can tell by how all the side quests in XVI are just copypaste fetch quests with visual novel level of cutscenes straight out of XIV

>>716135262
Loved it. I'll take more of that over literally anything else they've released in the last 15 years.

>>716136502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG2ayqrAiWU never forget what could've been. They robbed us of an island vacation anime filler arc.

>>716115412 (OP)
Their EU branch will die off, but their main company will be alright. If they're doing this badly however, they've certainly gotten only mediocre as a company over the years. I imagine their other branches will follow suit if they keep this up otherwise they still have a chance to make something good for once.

>>716136805
Ok I thought that was going to be a meme, but it's really fucking good. Fuck...

>>716119327
>Nintendo: "Good news,Takahashi-san! Now that we have finalised our purchase of Square Enix, you can fully realise your original vision for Xenogears!"
>Takahashi: *too depressed to even move*

>>716115412 (OP)
Should have happened sooner. FFXIV bought them a few years.

>>716137134
What people don't realize is every day we find out that we still haven't reached rock bottom and FF14 can still fall a lot further.

>>716133168
clickbait channel by hiv-positive fag who is mad endwalker's story didn't go his way

>>716136805
I'm wondering instead why they didn't use that one part from the Dawntrail trailer that starts when Krile is casting pictomancer spells. Like did they just forget about it? It sounds like something that you'd get in a trial had the msq actually been focused on the supposed vacation arc we were gonna get with the scions.

https://youtu.be/kgiuQwzB6aU?si=sR42oAs_OVV_HB3j&t=208

>>716115412 (OP)
There's been financial doom reports every year since they bought eidos and crystal dynamics and yet they keep on keeping on.

>>716115450
Wuk Lamat just killed a game company with xer freaking voice. Haha!

i can't wait for the day this company shuts down
their last good game was KH2

>>716137481
>their last good game was KH2
apologize

>>716115450
Thats not ethical anon!
The manga division is keeping the company alive

>>716137684
That's not Lightning Returns

>>716137412
nvm I found a video with only that part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W-va7Y0NMI

Did they use this at all in the game?
I certainly don't remember it in the msq.

>>716137684
tbf i enjoyed the trilogy with XIII-2 being the peak
their last 2 masterpieces were FFX and KH2 though

Hell just release an english version of DQX or at least not japan region locked, fucking bitch and a half to get it

>>716137481
i tihnk you'll be waiting for a long time

>>716137913
i think so too, but hopefully it happens in my lifetime

>>716115412 (OP)
Thanks YoshiP, you bottom of the barrel Westaboo retard.

>>716137684
>FFXIII was 11 years
Bruh ;(

>>716137962
anon on his death bed breathing his final breaths, only to find out right before passing on that square enix has been dissolved
>"yes... yes... finally... it was all worth it.."

>>716137783
Nope, Krile got forgotten again. She was too busy glazing Wuk and then she got robbed again with her earring data stick, that could only be used by the lizard nepo baby and if you thought that wasn't enough her parents scene gets ruined by Graha deep throating an ice cream sundae.

>>716131932
>Valkyrie Elysium
Sneaky
That one was trash unlike the other two and one was made by Koei and the other by h.a.n.d which I'm hard pressed to call them as part of SE

>>716137764
Don't ever try and pull a fast one again.
>>716137859
>XIII-2 being the peak
I would sacrifice the anon who tried to pull a fast one for another final fantasy tensei game desu.

>>716137783
In the 1v1 against the King guy Gulool Ja Ja they played it if the fight went on too long. That was it.

>>716115450
Antisemitism is against the rules, spigot.

>>716137783
>>716138072
>>716138198
>tied to Krile in the trailer
>no separate song of its own
>same lyrics as Smile
I think... they just transformed it into Smile and wasted it...

>>716115412 (OP)
they should make better JRPGs and less twink simulators.

>>716119978
You're forgetting the 8 years following DQXI where every game bombed horribly, including the remake of the most beloved game in the franchise.

This is all because of that FF MMO right?
A shitty MMO will be the downfall of their company if they don't shut it down sooner.

SMILE is such a bad song. It sounds like some shit they'd have at a water ride at Disneyland and not a good ride either.

>>716137887
>release a MMORPG spinoff of a game franchise that doesn't do well outside Japan to save your dying company

Wada was a fucking retard.
Nomura is a character designer, not a director. Placing him in a position of game development caused a noticeable decline in quality.
Yoshida attempted to fix shit but it didn't seem to work well, especially with FFXVI.
When Sakaguchi left, it marked the end of the company.
It astounds me as to why they're so utterly averse from making a turn-based RPG/FF game.

>>716138462
No it's because of
>>716132998

>>716137987
obsessed

>>716138462
You're kind of slow aren'tcha? That mmo is the only thing keeping them from going under. They have made many bad decisions and squandered more money than some African nations.

>>716138462
>the one thing still somewhat keeping them from going under is what's causing them to lose money
??????

>>716138482
but enough about Final Fantasy XIV!

>>716115412 (OP)
Good
Kill all branches outside of JP
Get rid of all western DEI influences
Return to before all that shit

>>716115450
Not defensing shart enix and their endless stupidity, but they do.
You just don't buy anything that doesn't have the Final Fantasy branding.
https://youtu.be/ZQmfrBAfBI0?si=fOBmH8EQr8QdNNSn
https://youtu.be/vkc-R-bREtI?si=gpgJV-Klq2YF1V_R

>>716138574
the MMO caused the company to almost go bankrupt during 1.0 which led to all sorts of internal problems like
causing Versus to be canceled which led to XV
it also caused out of touch MMO devs to work on mainline FF which led to XVI
it's been a disaster

>>716138657
FFXIV exclusively does well outside Japan.
DQ as a franchise has literally no real existence beyond Japan's borders. Nobody cares or thinks about it much at all. The idea that releasing an MMORPG that REQUIRES an interest in DQ outside of Japan is in anyway a good idea is just fucking retarded.

>>716138521
An interview came out recently among all the FF guys reminiscing about Sakaguchi, they kept talking about how he was a great leader that was able to take the best ideas from each of them, and that after he left the company was in chaos.

>>716136434
The game design may have been total garbage, but its pretty clear they spent most of the games budget on its presentation. They thought spending all that money on spectacle would make the game go viral and basically sell itself, but it never did.

Why can't Square Enix make a game on the same scale of Genshin Impact? If they want more live service/gacha slop, they should have the money and people to invest on that type of game. Why do they chase the western market with Foamstars and Killer inn when they should be chasing the Asia market instead?

>>716138462
I'm sure all those FF and DQ spin offs they pumped out with little to no marketing didn't help things either.

>>716138797
>DQ spin offs
>little to no marketing
Dude, the one you just posted had a 100 episode anime and a DLC character in the last Jump crossover game.

>>716137481
That won't happen anon, let it go

>>716138710
It's all been downhill since they lost Sakaguchi and half the dream team. The two that remained sucked ass and haven't done shit, but lose money.

>>716138791
Japanese can't keep up chinks, it's not square Enix only

>>716138743
>I don't care about it so surely no one else does
and yet VIII, IX, XI and III remake were successful, the 3D games are even easier to market

>>716138791
They have lost too much money to do anything for the next 3 years. They are only doing remakes/reboots.

>>716138861
>This anon thinks these people care about anything outside FF
Lmao

>>716115497
This, so much this (unironically),

>>716138745

I saw that. He was the pinnacle in terms of game director and management. Unfortunately the FF Spirits Within blunder led to him leaving. He's great at games, not movies. Makes me wish someone had the balls back then to shitcan Spirits Within.

>>716138861
And how much of that marketing happened outside of Japan? The Square execs are just as retarded as >>716139034 this guy.

>>716131771
It seems well, i havent looked it up but it also reuses assets and such from prvious games so the overhead wasnt exactly high at all

>>716138861
>dude the anime everyone knows about and watches
The game went on sale for half price in japan a week after it released.

>>716138970
>VIII, IX, XI
Three games spread across 12 years dude, and we already know why each of those were successful.
VIII had the pack in FF12 demo, IX got marketed exclusively by Nintendo, and XI was a right time right place situation.
There is no right time and right place for DQX because there is no investment in DQ as a franchise to back a MMORPG outside Japan. You wanna know how many games released from DQ8 to today outside Japan? It wasn't four games, it was more like forty, the vast majority of them bombing, to the point where SE tried to quietly stop releasing DQ entirely until Horii threw a fit.
>III remake
Was NOT successful. Literally had no traction outside Japan.

>>716138861
It's the other way around. The game is more a promotional for the anime.

>>716138710
The MMO/ FF14 is what has allowed SE to finance their games for the last 8 years.
>>716132998

>>716138710
>it also caused out of touch MMO devs to work on mainline FF which led to XVI
Oh, so you would say Rebirht was a stellar entry?
Or are you going to blame the MMO for that in a roundabout way, too?

>>716139162
Yeah, that was because the game fucking sucked ass, and Dai is a HUGE series in Japan.
>>716139139
None because Japan is the only real factor for DQ.

I legitimately think square is gonna go under and be absorbed by another company sometime in the coming years.
There's just zero talent left, they're utterly incapable of making a good product.

>>716132998
Visions of mana just isnt anywhere near as good as dq11 was

>>716139192
>The MMO/ FF14 is what has allowed SE to finance their games for the last 8 years.
and how many of those games were good?

>>716139258
>dq11
>good

Why do gachatards believe they have anything to say?
You're the MLPfags of gaming. Shoo.

>>716139335
Go back to work, Yoshida.

>>716139236
i didn't play Rebirth because the first part was boring compared to the PS1 version
Square lost most of their talent, that's the problem. and 2 events led to this, one being FFXIV.

>>716139247
All of AAA is dying. Square Enix will have to make some cuts soon and if they don't adapt and make some changes they will die off.

>>716133945
Imagine if they just took ff7 and updated the graphics to say ps3 era without touching literally anything else, then yes it would make money, just make sure to delist the remakes

>>716139336
Gatchafags feel threatened by XIV Mobile
They only started talking shit when that was announced

>>716115412 (OP)
Not good enough, I hope they go double bankrupt

>>716139380
>Square lost most of their talent, that's the problem. and 2 events led to this, one being FFXIV.
The first one was ff12 disaster production following with the disaster known as ff13.

>>716139393
XIVfags don't even care about XIV mobile.

>>716139281
Irrelevant to FFXIV. You're blaming FFXIV for bringing down the company when it's the other way around, it has been FFXIV that has propped it up.

>>716139393
It’s very funny because normal ffxiv players will never touch the mobile version, it’s legitimately just for chinks. Western fucking hate mobile mmos and anyone pushing for it is stupid

>>716139550
you're missing the point. XIV caused them near financial ruin which made many people either get cut, mistreated or jump ship.
yes, they did financially recover and the game itself turned around, but the damage was done.
the bad games we get now are still a direct result of what happened then.

>>716138482
I just want the offline version, it operates similarly to dq11 since it came out in 2023, for fucks sake their is a fan translation stuff out but actually getting the game is a giant pain in the ass

>>716115450
Japanese are too proud to ask ai for help, it's both a blessing and a curse

>>716139491
Yea but shitposters keep pushing it like they do, only thing from SE in mobile ffxiv is the IP. It’s made a completely different company

>>716139641
The offline version isn't meant to be played as an equivalent version. It's just an intro to the MMORPG one can play casually without worrying about the MMO features when setting up their character and clearing early game materials (hence why it has stopped at V2).

>dump all of their money into bloated vanity projects, like an FF7 remake that is so big they had to split it into parts, and develop it over the course of a decade
Why don't they just not do that? There's a reason Atlus are popular these days. it's because they get games out

>>716115412 (OP)
Good! FUCK Squeenix!

>>716138743
Yes square has shown an absolute inability to market their games, dq 11 did comparatively great in NA i believe, but they dont market the games and dont make the games that got them big in the first place

>>716139758
>dq 11 did comparatively great in NA i believe
Compared to other DQ games, which isn't a high bar. It sold about 1-1.5 million copies outside Japan, and that traction didn't carry over to the Switch version and most people still went "Who?" when DQ was added to Smash.

>>716115412 (OP)
Hopefully they stop going for realism in games. Forspoken & marvel's avengers both look like unreal engine slop

>>716139183
They made an offline version of X in '23 that basically acts as a single player game like dq11

>>716139875
See >>716139707

>>716139616
Shitposter or retard, you completely forgetting avengers game, forspoken, and babylon's fall huh?

>>716139335
It is, ill replay every once in awhile>>716139707
But it is a fully fleshed out story

>>716139616
I would argue the damage was done when Sakaguchi and Umetsu and the guys around them left, or were fired.
FF14 bought SE a second grace period with the amount of money it earned especially the two expansions Shadowbringers and Endwalker during Covid, but SE took that exceptional growth to be some long term up trending forecast and based future decisions on that prediction, which was false as soon as Covid ended the numbers dropped for FF14 along with the amount of subscribers and money available to SE.
It's a long mess of bad decisions SE have been that are years in the making.

>>716125649
Holy cope!

>>716139942
>But it is a fully fleshed out story
Not really what matters. DQX's core aspects are its mechanics and function as an MMO.

>>716139387
Remember when they subverted everyones expectations by showing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUY6uc4w3Zw and we didn't get that remake for another 15 years

>>716139707
Its a solid amount of gameplay i like from dq and all they need to do is un region lock it

>>716139241
>because the game fucking sucked ass
I'm sure the game would've recouped the cost localizing and releasing the western version on every console and pc if it didn't suck because the anime is popular in japan.

>>716139641
The offline version looks like shit desu, they should have made it exactly like the mmo and let you control party members with an FF12 gambit system

>>716140049
>I'm sure the game would've recouped the cost localizing and releasing the western version on every console and pc
They do that with every DQ game, so it probably doesn't cost much.

>>716138136
Valkyrie Elysium is great despite its pittance of a budget and no matter who did the actual coding they didn't sell well

>>716138791
Squeenix still acts like it's 2016 in the gacha space, cranking out tons of low quality slop that hits EoS after 6 months because they believe chasing that early FOMO is the most important thing. They have totally failed to adapt to the post-Genshin market.

>>716139840
1.5m outside japan for it is great for that market overall, a anime turn based game objectively did well outside of japan and yet they just dont double down on what works

>>716139679
Tencent, right? Yeah, I have no interest in it. Some of the QoL improvements are nice, but I'm not going to suck their Chinese dicks over it since they were basically handfed every last FFXIV asset and the basic design of the combat and fights, and an existing engine. Their work was minimal. And also it's a phone game with paid elements that are only going to get worse as time passes so lol lmao.

>>716139862
Knowing Square's retardation, if they try to learn what made E33 popular they'll just think they have to make unoptimized ugly UE slop as well

>>716139950
>I would argue the damage was done when Sakaguchi and Umetsu and the guys around them left, or were fired.
this is also true, it's what i meant by 2 events. this being the first. XIV being the second.
the first event combined with their struggles to adapt to HD 3D environments is what led to XIII being an underwhelming product and damaging the FF brand. XIV being a disaster at launch further damaged the brand, and with FF being their flagship, it was looking terrible for the company.
The scars of these events never fully healed because it caused them to lose many people that money can't simply replace.

>>716140161
That's not well for what DQ is or what SE needs to be successful.
SE needs its AAA titles (which is what DQ is) to sell SEVERAL million on the western market. Even ignoring that though, DQ isn't a consistently successful series, only three games in a nearly 40 years history of releasing games outside Japan ever did well, regardless of marketing or quality.

>>716140000
Its not like its a 1-1 and jyst removed the online portions, its very similar to 11 in terms of gameplay but uses the world of 10 for story, and characters

>>716140070
Ya the chibi shit is stupid when they already had models but its not a deal breaker for me

>>716118707
>Consulting company Black Girl Gamers
Money well spent.

>>716115412 (OP)
Release spirits within
Almost bankrupt yourself
Make FFX which saves you but Enix make a ton of demands on the game changing its final look.
Lose most of your talent during the Enix Merger.
Create FFX2 that was universally panned.
Only hardcore retards will defend ffx2. Most find this game an insult.
Lose more money because of ffx2.
Get the rights to Tomb Raider - release woke feminist bullshit instead of a good game.
Keep making shit TR games no one buys.
Lose more money.
Make FF The Boy Band game - no one buys.
Make FF Online - add non binary insane tranny character.

The list goes on but I'd rather have had Squaresoft say that after FFX they were going to close shop rather than pair up with Enix

>>716118707
>Black girl gamers
They're still consulting SE to this day. They were at the FF14 European media tour last year in Germany, paid for by SE.
SE are hyper leftist retards, Sweet Baby Inc's first game they were ever contracted to work on was at SE.

>>716139950
>as soon as Covid ended the numbers dropped for FF14
Covid wasn't the main reason however. Instead of investing and capitalizing in the surge in player numbers and money due to covid and wow refugees, along with the hype around the game's story, they did fuck all with it. Endwalker's patches were a failure, and Dawntrail is even worse.

>>716140430
>Only hardcore retards will defend ffx2. Most find this game an insult.
It's funny how manchildren who have never slept with a woman are STILL mad about X2.

>>716116821
>>716118707
I confuse this one with Unknown9 from Bamco. Man, these japs are fucking delirious.

>>716115412 (OP)
>Imagine being bankrupt, because you turned down easy money from gooners
ohnonono hahahahahaaaaa

>>716140250
Its the beginning of making stuff like that, also considering 11 released in 2017, 10 in 2012, and 9 in 2009, they havent even been putting out dq games much at all, at least not mainline ones, for fucks sake there is a large market for these games but they dont promote or market outside of japan nor do have they consistentoy released them since before the PS3

>>716116172
What fucked them was naming FF11 FF11 and doing the same with FF14
12, 13, 15, and 16 as a result are completely fucking lost on what the fuck final fantasy is supposed to be(especially since 15 was just them slapping on a number on an already long over due project)

>>716140206
>You wanted big bobble head unreal asset flip slop with QTEs, right? That's what's popular now?

>>716140430
atleast FFX was a good send off
timeless game
a shame that even this isn't respected by Square Enix though

>>716140194
Yea only thing I would want is the dye channels all the other stuff see seems like cancer

>>716140463
More likely it's a mix of covid being over and WoW no longer being shit enough to keep WoW players away from it.

>>716140479
Its funny how virgins that are probably closet trannys that dress up in their mothers clothes defend ffx-2.
The game were you play x3 emotionally distraught females that cant control their own feelings, act like cunts, bitch with each other, follow a gay story line, go on about dresses and babies.

We then have singing and dancing aspect followed by the x3 camp baddies that are a poor mans copy of a famous trio.

>>716140631
I don't agree fully.
I'd take the glamour system where the items you obtained are saved as an appearance.
And I'd take 3 dye slots that are good and cover plenty of ground. I would fucking go mental (not in a good way) if I had to fiddle with 16 dye slots per item because even a tiny goddamn tassel on a robe has its own dye channel.

>>716140549
>also considering 11 released in 2017, 10 in 2012, and 9 in 2009, they havent even been putting out dq games much at al
In the west, the following released from 8 to today.
>Dragon Quest 8 (2004, PS2)
Successful.
>Dragon Quest 4 (2008, DS)
Unsuccessful.
>Dragon Quest 5 (2009, DS)
Unsuccessful.
>Dragon Quest 9 (2009, DS)
Successful.
>Dragon Quest 6 (2011, DS)
Unsuccessful.
>Dragon Quest 7 (2014, 3DS)
Unsuccessful.
>Dragon Quest 8 (2014, 3DS)
Unsuccessful.
>Dragon Quest 11 (2017, PS4)
Successful.
>Dragon Quest 11 (2019, Switch)
Unsuccessful.
>Dragon Quest 3 (2024, Everything)
Unsuccessful.

Final Fantasy Versus XIII will save SE!!!

>>716140454
SE has a rot in the company and it keeps telling them to do very stupid things and waste crazy amounts of money with no return.

>>716125475
>remastering BD2 for switch 2
sauce? I literally bought a SW2 for the BD remake, having 2 as well would make my day.

>>716140705
Those helped, but the majority of it happened (and is happening) because of CBU3's inability to add content that lasts more than a week when they take months to release new patches, on top of QoL other games have had for decades still missing and simple issues going unfixed for months. It's supposed to be their cashcow but they refuse to invest in it, instead kidnapping devs and funds to make other flops.

>>716118707
>Black Girl Gamers

Imagine that board meeting.
3 sub human 85IQ black women forcing their opinions on you and yet you cant just ask the obvious
>since this is a ni...black woman should we just make her ignorant, loud, wrong, randomly violent and do that strange shit that they do with those wigs they glue on were they glue those swirl things on their forehead

>>716140834
>Nomura unleashed
>free from Disney
>free from mainline constraints due to being a spin-off
>refined KH2FM combat system made by THE Tokyo team
i will never forgive them

>>716140112
Still money being pissed away on shovelware, its tiny in the grand scale of things compared to the mega flops they constantly put out but its indicative of how dysfunctional the company is in general. They went from refusing to localize bravely default and being surprised it sold well in the west to localizing every half assed release that cant even recoup the money spent to produce them from their most favorable region. Its like every choice they make is filtered through the question of "how can we maximize our losses?"

>>716140785
>refuse to promote games
>no one buys them
>hmm I don't think the west likes dragon quest
masterful gambit, square enix chan

>>716140928
They had the greatest influx of players ever due to a perfect storm of lockdowns and WoW sucking the biggest dick it ever sucked causing a mass exodus and they didn't do a single damn thing to capitalize on this, they just kept moving forward with their plans for making the game more of a singleplayer game.

>>716141091
>>refuse to promote games
Nah, most of those games got a decent chunk of promotion. It's just nobody gives a shit about DQ.
I don't get this insistence on the west secretly loving DQ and just not knowing these games exist unless they show up during the super bowl. Everyone who cared back in the 80s got DQ1 for free and nobody bought 2-4.

>>716140783
Oh also that, feel like they would want do that but horrible game code stopping them. Same reason why we can have a glamour dresser because it would crash the game

>>716121852
I liked the Romancing SaGa 2 remake. I never played any of the other games in the series.

>>716141118
God I completely forgot about all the updates they wasted on that Trust npc bullshit. Even worse, how soulless so many dungeons and fights became to accomodate the shitty Trust AI limitations.

>>716141118
This is it right here, the exact reason why SE will fail because they were handed to them on a plate the biggest opportunity for 20 years, with over a million people from WoW and more who had never touched an MMO before were at home bored with nothing to do so dived into playing FF14 and more importantly paying for a subscription. What did SE do with this incredible windfall?
Nothing, they sat on their asses for 3 years doing nothing so those people got bored once they reached the end of FF14s story and left as CS3/ SE didn't do anything to try and retain those people.
For their 10 year game anniversary they did nothing in game. But held a fireworks display in a stadium in a town in Japan, nice for the Japanese of that town but for an MMO that is world wide it was again more of a spit in the eye that the sub fee was being used for a local festival while there was nothing in game to celebrate.
SE are retarded.

>>716121497
>Not Dragon Quest
Not a Square IP. Hori owns a controlling stake of the IP which has protected it from being ruined like FInal Fantasy was.

>Bravely Default

A low budget knock off title.

>Octopath

A low budget knock off title.

>Saga

Lmao no one even knows what that is.

>>716119743
>>716126570
>>716128019
I always find it weird, putting Tifa with those other censorships seems a bit disingenuous, they barely covered an inch of skin with the top, and the stockings make it more sexy and fetish-y, you could argue about breast size, but having an extra layer of clothing would compress the breasts more.

>>716141267
yea, it was all the trust NPC updates as well as Island Sanctuary and variant dungeons.
Variant dungeons can be done in a group but can also be easily farmed solo and then on top of that they aren't even in the duty finder...

>>716140785
>Dragon Quest 8 (2014, 3DS)
>Unsuccessful.
Surprised this one didn't do well.

>>716141159
because Dragon Warrior 2 was only released in the US in 1990 for the NES, the same year the SNES came out

Maybe it's time.

>>716141549
That's a meme. The majority of people did not get the SNES on release- this would be a good argument against DQ4, but people were still buying NES games for the most part. The majority of SNES users got one the Christmas following its launch year.

>>716140928
They've been doing no less than they've always done.
WoW fags are just wont to be gravitationally pulled back into WoW unless there is a repelling factor strong enough to drive them away, and they realized XIV was not the game they thought it was when they joined and got to do 10 years of story and content in 2 weeks.

>>716141451
>Variant dungeons can be done in a group but can also be easily farmed solo and then on top of that they aren't even in the duty finder...
You can duty find queue for variants.
You just don't have a roulette for it (they should add one. It was unironically kinda nice to queue for Sil'dih and do it with randoms because of the mogtome event)

>>716140785
So that just shows that they dont promote games, only releases "remasters" of old games with slight qol additions, and they are majority only releasing on handhelds and not even pc or consoles thereby greatly limiting the potential userbase

Go woke go broke is still in effect.

>>716141898
>So that just shows that they dont promote games,
They did promote all of them.
>only releases "remasters" of old games with slight qol additions,
The last release of DQ4 in the west was on the NES under a different name, basically a new title.
DQ5 and 6 NEVER released in the west prior to the DS versions, new games.
DQ7's last release was 13 years prior.
DQ3's last release was 25 years prior and the remake was treated as a new game (and had a shitton of marketing).

Nobody cares about DQ outside Japan. That is reality.

>>716141827
I know you can queue for it, but you have to access it in the specific V&C submenu which is not in the regular duty finder window, and yea there's no roulette so it's easily forgotten.

>>716141451
I'll never forgive them for dropping the ball on Variant and especially Criterion. They waited until the end of EW to do the bare minimum about the lack of Criterion rewards too.
It's honestly one of the best pieces of midcore content imo.
>not filled to the brim with bodychecks
>only 4 players so it's easy to get a few friends for it at any time
>don't have to redo the entire dungeon if you wipe halfway
>actually fun
Savage version were pretty stupid though
But of course because they saw most people not play Criterion, their takeaway is that no one wants it, rather than look into why people didn't bother with it in the first place. Oh well.

>>716141898
>you know what PC games in the 2000s want
>you know what doesn't do well on the DS
>JRPGs
Amazing insight anon.

>>716141898
I never understood why your kind think that promoting a game will guarantee success.

>>716125649
>,while Black Girl Gamers provided consultation on the characterization of Frey
But it is they picked some mulatto girl and they decided to make her into some trashy ass new york insufferable hoodrat

>>716126936
They'll probably add a half-baked turn-based mode like FF15 or an option that makes the game play itself like FF16 because they don't have a vision and only care about sales

>>716142040
Yeah I agree there. I would like it being added to reg duty finder with a roulette.
Variant are actually kinda fun romps in a party of randoms. Not insanely demanding, of course, but they offer some variation from regular dungeons. They honestly let a lot of side content sit around languishing on the wayside way too much. Same for deep dungeons.

>>716142052
I didn't do criterion because it felt like savageslop. And then savage criterion was even more savagey slop.
I was hoping for something EX level that you can just kinda zone into with buddies and prog a bit. Not savage but with four players.

>>716142205
>Main character is genuinely a awful person in Forspoken with no character development whatsoever
What did black girl gamers mean by this?

>>716141159
Dq 11 sales of lets say 1.5m shows there is an audience, but square shows an inability to actually promote or manage anything outside of japan while also trying to get the western market with some absolute trash that has to sell quadruple what dq11 did just to make their money back not even talking of profit. There is a large enough audience for this but they hamstring themselves at every turn

>>716142381
They only know how to create savage slop content because the playtesters are all savage/ultimate raiders who always play together and they have no concept on what the vast majority of their playerbase is actually capable of, so they just keep making content that only this small portion does.

>>716118593
Idea: focus on good games with reasonable budgets, instead of only producing bloated crap, and quasi indie games.
Aim to repeat Nier Automata, considering how much everyone liked that.

>>716142381
I honestly felt Criterion was more EX level than savage, though Aloalo may have gone a bit much into savage levels in some parts. I feel like Mount Rokkon and Sildihn hit the sweet spot on the difficulty, I was able to prog those blind with friends before we started looking into guides for optimal strats.
The adds in between bosses are fun too.

>>716126570
>The Tifa one is a legit design change
>>716141417
>I always find it weird, putting Tifa with those other censorships seems a bit disingenuous, they barely covered an inch of skin with the top, and the stockings make it more sexy and fetish-y, you could argue about breast size, but having an extra layer of clothing would compress the breasts more.

It’s not just “they abandoned turn based”
It’s that their super hyper optimized for success AAA games like Rebirth and XVI barely scrape 1 or 2 million sales while a game like BG3 with its glacially slow turn based combat and story that takes about 80 hours to get to the end if you’re rushing it sold like 10 million at the very least

>>716128073
But it doesnt work for me since OG cosplays look sexier

>>716118593
It's turn based cucks being annoying.

>>716142205
Not a huge downgrade. Actually the norm for mutts.