"You provide a service, but nothing is written in stone and at some point the service may be discontinued."

I expect either malicious compliance, or mostly compliant but insisting it isn't compliance but rather changes that were in the pipeline already.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is written in stone and at some point the service may be discontinued
Weird. Because my NES games work just fine.

>>716115779 (OP)
>"nothing is eternal"
meanwhile I can pop in any PS2 game I want and play it exactly the same way I did back when it first released. The same absolutely cannot be said for a lot of 7th gen games that feel "soft" effects of the -killing games- thing. Games where content is gated behind download shit or codes that literally cannot and do not work today, particularly the kind where devs thought they'd be clever by implementing shit like that as a soft anti-piracy measure.

you can't have the tools to make your own servers like you had 20 years go. you are not allowed to have fun on your own terms because that means you don't connect to their servers so they can data harvest.

>>716115779 (OP)
I'm changing the terms of our contract. Don't like it? Terminate the contract and return my consideration

>>716115779 (OP)
As predicted, they're employing the strategy of pretending to not understand what's being asked for.

>>716115926
ubislop doesn't have to worry anymore
they are CCP owned, what is the EU going to do when they fail to comply?

>>716115975
Only because you updated your Nintendo license by being a fucking based and intelligent person

>>716116120
Fine their EU branch and/or ban them from the EU. China isn't giving them a free lunch.

Real nigga here (white), I couldn't care less about this zoomer reddit shit.
Every single online only game is dogshit garbage, why would I care?

>>716116296
I had a bagel today and went fishing. Saw a snapping turtle and fed one of my fish to it. Overall mood: Relaxed

>>716116385
Nice

>>716115779 (OP)
They continue to deliberately misrepresent the movement that it's starting to seem like they might just be low IQ people.

>>716116385
Now that's some fucking gangster shit I can respect far more than this reddit gamergate initiative.
I would not get close to one of them mfs, they be wilding.

>>716115779 (OP)
Yeah turns out people won't bite the pillow forever, you'll just have to get comfortable with gamers owning games buddy

>>716115926
I expect the latter.

>>716116296
It's not just about online slop games you nigger troglodyte

>>716116438
It's misdirection, and it's a strategy that will probably actually work for them. Our biggest threat right now is industry representatives taking the floor and gaslighting EU officials into thinking that the only way to comply would be to keep official servers running forever.

>>716116604
Well, name some games then you phone posting underage fucktard.

>>716115779 (OP)
He's an idiot because he responded to idiots, simple as

>>716116296
The only thing preventing a company from acquiring another one and pushing updates to disable their games (even on console) is that they haven't thought of it yet. They already do this in most industries, including professional software.

>>716116673
If you are too fucking tech illiterate to pirate games I believe that you should be publicly executed.

>>716116120
>what is the EU going to do when they fail to comply?
Ubisoft no sell their games within the EU. Too big a market to let go.
>>716116607
Whoever is legally in charge of talking on behalf of SKG is presumably all ready to go with every argument they could pull out of their ass to misrepresent the situation. Since this whole thing started I haven't read a single good argument against it. Only the reasons for why companies don't like it, which all come at the cost of the consumer.

>>716116736
I missed the console part, sorry. If you are a consoletoddler you should definitely be publicly executed.
Worthless subhuman piece of shit.

>>716116736
You know, if this movement were to pass it would prevent devs from using cloud computing as antipiracy. Though I'm sure next you're going to say that every game past an arbitrary cut-off date is objectively trash. Which is why we're all retarded for even considering playing any game that may come out in the future.

>>716117124
Nothing wrong with playing modern games. Playing for a second time? Questionable.
I couldn't care less either way, I live in the EU. I'm always going to get the better end of the deal.
My problem is that you gamergate tourists are spamming this faggot reddit youtuber eceleb garbage constantly instead of talking about video games.
If you want to make a change fuck off outside and pick up trash. You would actually make a change in the world.

>>716115779 (OP)
This guy looks like Chevy Chase with some weird shit euro genes

>>716115926
All it's going to do is change what's written on the box to have a fine-print disclaimer. It's the exact same shit Steam is already doing when they tell you that you don't own fuckall

>>716115779 (OP)
They're going to deliberately pretend the movement is attempting something it isn't, so that the EU lawmakers who know nothing about game design will deny the movement.

>>716115779 (OP)
It costs 0 cents for ubisoft to upload server software to the pirate bay
Just saying

>>716117465
I doubt that'll be all. If anything I expect that's what the lobby group who will speak against SKG will suggest as a "solution" because it's just one extra line in the fine print.

>>716115779 (OP)
/v/ keeps ignoring that all Ross ever asked for was that discontinued live service games be made public domain and that gamers be allowed to host the games themselves. It was NEVER about "forcing companies to keep the games online forever".

>>716118138
They wouldn't be public domain, that's something totally different. It's more of an overlap with the right to repair initiatives where it's asking for players to be legally allowed to restore functionality to discontinued games. Though it's a bit of a step further as it also asks that devs provide either the software to do so or the API documentation needed to make a private server.
Also, the main idea is generally understood in most of the threads. It's the stupid faggots who don't want to read and just make stupid assumptions, and willfully ignorant opponents trying to misrepresent the goal.

>>716116296
Because soon all games will be online only, genius.

>>716118519
Nothing of value will be lost.

>>716118552
Get out, contrarian.

>>716118574
Kill yourself back to fucking reddit you eceleb dickriding gamergate tourist.

Is there any reason for an online only game to not have end of life support other than pure laziness?

Surely, it can’t take that much effort to add a patch that makes everything work offline or on a locally hosted server.

>>716115779 (OP)
Maybe if Ubisoft stopped using uplay and starting using Steamworks for PC online and EGS for people who want crossplay it would be less a problem for them. Both steamworks and EGS onlines are free.

>>716116438
It's a pretty classic strategy. It's an "Us vs Them" conflict, so if they just keep fishing with bait, then they will eventually get someone to argue with them and they can spin that to their advantage.
If someone tries to properly argue against them, then they need start from a weak position by denying the misconception before even being able to argue, thus denying them momentum.
If someone actually tries to take the strawman position, then victory is practically built in.
If, against the odds, someone manages to make a compelling argument, then they can just abandon ship, memory hole the discussion and start fishing again with a different representative.

>>716117124
If the arbitrary cut off date is the date the publisher drops all support and puts a bullet through the servers, then yes, currently all games become trash the moment they become unplayable.

>>716118761
Probably not but publishers take games offline to push players to buy the next iteration.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
i dunno man all my old nintendo shit still works and so do every single one of my 90s/00s pc games

>>716115926
>but rather changes that were in the pipeline already.
apple was totally working on usb-c already anon, EU directive means nothing, really. please believe me.

>>716115779 (OP)
meanwhile these cunts spent forever claiming downloading a copy of their game is the equivalent of stealing a car...

>>716118761
Yes
IP protection. Corporates dont give a fuck about you slop eaters, they simply need to keep control of the IP so they can re-sell it later. If they remove the online DRM anyone can strip assets from it and reverse engineer it.

>>716115779 (OP)
He's just a dishonest person. I'm not even religious, but the King James Bible for example is over 400 years old and we still preserve it today. With the technology we have now, source code and games could be backed up for eternity (assuming we don't all die somehow).

>>716115779 (OP)
Why are the french so fucking retarded.

>>716118138
He didn't ask for games to be public domain.
Just give players the capability to play the games they bought after it stops getting supported.
Quite literally what games were doing years ago.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
these fuckers i swear have no idea
what the skg initiative wants is to just ensure that online videogames once the servers are close to allow people to still enter the game and play it, even if there is no one else, and this applies only to future games it's not like gamers want companies to start patching their 10 year old games or anything

>>716120082
>The origin point of globalized Intellectual Property
>The reason for Teflon contamination
>Principle cause most major conflicts, such as WW1, WW2 and the Vietnam war, just to name the obvious
France is just the worst.

>>716120160
You dont grasp the concept of law my dude...
As long as a company holds the IP they can do whatever the fuck they like bro.
There are only 2 exceptions to this:
>Orphan works
The IP holder is dead or unknown so its now public use
>Abandonware
The IP holder does not enforce their claim on the IP for whatever reason but the still own the damn IP
Now most companies, except nintendo, are not bothered that people want to keep servers alive long after the game is dead...its literally not worth their time to do shit about it...so long as you ain't charging money like the WoW private idiots did. Once you start making money you bet your ass some hook nosed rat in a suit from legal is going to come sniffing.

>>716118642
Mongoloid brownoid normalfag can't understand how things will develop based on pattern.

>>716116120
>what is the EU going to do when they fail to comply?
Block them from the EU market and wait for the Chinese investors to beat the shit out of them for losing one of the biggest markets on the planet while the US assrapes them in court because they messed with the Line.

>>716120843
Mongoloid brownoid normalfag brings his twitter discussion to the video game board because he is too fucking stupid to understand that it's not a video game.
Please go be underage somewhere else and start thinking for yourself instead of repeating whatever your favorite retarded eceleb spews out.

Who chose to turn what used to be a product into a service?

>>716121112
Paid for HL2? Paid for Xbox Live to scream "NIGGER" at Gaylo with da boys? It's your fault.

>>716115779 (OP)
SO DIFFICULT

>>716116385
comfy

>>716120998
This is more videogame related than any other thread on this board, subhuman.
I have original thoughts, unlike you.

>>716115779 (OP)
It is very easy to follow the fair contract guidelines. You want to pull out of a contract any time -> customer can also pull out of a contract any time. You don’t want customer to pull out of contract any time -> you cant pull put of contract any time. What’s so hard about that?

>>716121334
It's clearly not about a video game.
>b-but moooom they are doing it too
Are you a literal fucking toddler? Kill yourself back to whatever normalfag shithole you came from gamergate tourist faggot.
Subhuman teenage girl gossiping trash like you is the cancer killing this board.

>>716115779 (OP)
>quadrupling down
Good.
Excellent even.

>>716121192
No? HL2 never needed Steam to work, and Live was just a service that connected people playing games they owned

What is written in stone is that I bought a product, I should be able to use that product when I wish to.
If the use and function of that product is tied to an ongoing service you are providing then you need to make provisions to ensure that when that service ends I can continue using the product I bought.
Customers rights ARE written in stone.
Soon enough it'll be translated into baby speak for CEOs to understand

>>716116120
>what is the EU going to do when they fail to comply?
Step 1: Strongly worded letter
Step 2: Fine
Step 3: no sell games in EU

>>716121267
whoa cool it with the antisemitism

>>716117465
I hope you understand that you do actually own your steam games and that a license is actually a better form of ownership in most ways than a physical copy is.

>>716121626
>HL2 never needed Steam to work
Is this zoomer or copro shill? Idk anymore

>>716120825
>As long as a company holds the IP they can do whatever the fuck they like
No, that is not correct and even if it was, the entire point of SKG is changing the law, so it literally doesn't matter whether they have the legal right at the current point in time.

>>716116804
I'm not a consumer, I'm a customer

>>716115779 (OP)

>ok well look into this initiative
>wait so why are you calling games ''services'' while selling them as goods?
>why do you ask for a initial 80$ price for a ''service''
>why does this service come on a disk or require a download
>why isnt your service working properly when you offer it? why does it need tons of fixes on release
>why dont you offer proper customer support and refunds on your service?
>speaking of services, the way this service looks looks a awful lot like gambling
>why arnt you following gambling laws?
and so on and so on
Ubisoft (and every other publisher) have been riding a very thin line in selling videogames as goods but reaping all the benefits of providing a service, SKG is going to force them to define what the product is and what standards its supposed to uphold
they are deadly afraid and will try and do anything to discredit the movement, dont be surprised if the articles about trannies recieving death threats from SKG start appearing

>>716115779 (OP)
So what I understand about this is that these mf were trying to normalice every game being a service they can stop whenever. The way they normaliced every game having micro transactions. But SKG took them by surprise and all they can do now is lie and pretend they don't understand the petition.

>>716121796
accurate assessment, the real reason they're so afraid is that they don't want even more eyes on their business practices

>>716121686
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAH

>>716121796
what difference will it actually make if the only thing that comes out of this is that ubislop is labeled as a "service"?

>>716121796
Actually bonkers Ubisoft can just delete your Uplay acc (or whatever its called now) along with all your bought games, if you leave it abandoned and don't log in for a while, the people & suits who write those long ass TOS pages are sniffing their own farts daily.

>>716115779 (OP)
>Games are only online services and always have been only online temporary services
meanwhile our beloved Ninty is burning emulator sites left and right so that they can NOT release metroid fucking fusion for a decade and a half on their current console, while leaving the original release rotting in their asses.
A lot of old games not in the mainstream are lost tech thanks to ninty's war against their own popularity, lost ghosts thanks to retards like in OP's pic. But who cares, instead of NOT wasting storage and letting your free fucking slave fans store your series for you so that you can take them back because you literally own them is not enough, you have to ruin your image and the technology at the same time like a retard.
It all comes down to companies attacking their own fans and then dwindling into nothing shortly after.

>>716121962
>have to follow the proper laws when providing a service
>a full undisclosed end of service date
>proper customer support
>actual stern laws on delivering a proper service (no broken releases on launch for them)
>easy to cancel and easy to refund
even the simple act of transparency scares these big publishers

>>716115779 (OP)
you have all the information at your disposal when you buy a game to make the right decision. simply don't buy games that can be shut down if you don't support the practice. you have plenty of alternatives. most released and in-development games are of the last-forever kind. it's not like there isn't a market for them.
>but it isn't made clear enough when a game will shut down!
if you don't read the EULA you have only yourself to blame for being uninformed
>but there isn't a set time limit, it's all arbitrary!
of course there isn't when such a decision relies on month-to-month data. should Rockstar have shut down GTA V in 2018 if they'd announced a 5 year runtime? should Sony have kept Concord running with the same premise?
>but voting with my wallet doesn't work!
if enough people are buying perishable games that it remains a lucrative market, there is clearly a lot of interest for them. many people other than you like playing them and don't mind that they won't be able to hop back in in 20 years.
>but corporations need to be reigned in by the government, or else they'll walk all over their customers!
agreed when it comes to health and safety. corporations shouldn't put harmful chemicals in food or cars with exploding batteries.
this is not one of those cases. this is companies taking old toys away, purely an entertainment and nostalgia driven non-issue.

>>716121962
DSA rape

>>716121762
What's the difference?

"Nothing is eternal"
It's a digital file that can be perfectly copied. Yeah, I'm sure civilisation will fall and one day the sun will engulf the Earth but I think we can squeeze out more that 5-10 years out of it.

>>716119349
And gradually, I began to hate them

>>716122095
>this is companies taking old toys away
Nigga, that's theft. Stop boot licking.

>>716122223
it's not. Why do you think it is?

>>716122095
>if you don't read the EULA you have only yourself to blame for being uninformed
an EULA is not legally enforcable
an EULA can be changed on a whim
if changed you have no option but to agree or accept the fact that you have a 80$ doorstop
why dont companies offer refunds if i dont accept the terms?

>>716122095
No thank you, I think I will make them do as I want :)

>>716122095
Maybe you're right about all of this, however, under law, it is also the people's inviolate prerogative to seek regulation of corporate acitivities. They have had enough chances to enact responsible practices regarding live service and have failed to do so, they will now be regulated, and they will submit.

>>716122095
there are very few online only games that i'd actually like to see preserved, but it will still be fun to watch the entire industry squirm.

>>716122315
>why dont companies offer refunds if i dont accept the terms?
They do.

>>716122397
no they dont

>>716121492
Dumbfuck, it's related to the videogames you buy, it's absolutely relevant.
You are the cancer.

>>716122259
>I set up the metaphor that they are taking your toys
>This is not stealing for some reason

>>716122448
They do. I've personally gotten a refund before for this very reason.

>>716122223
>>716122397
Lying and retarded. Impressive, very nice.

>>716122467
Not my metaphor.
Why do you think it's theft? Don't be scared.

>>716122523
meant to reply to >>716122259

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
me in the year 3025 playing Quake, Minecraft, TF2, Counter Strike, L4D2, Terraria, AmongUs, DayZ, Gmod, Ark, Zomboid, Risk of Rain, Factorio, Rust etc online with my friends

>>716122520
okay ill bite
how did you get a refund after not agreeing to the EULA

>>716122556
Why don't you?

>>716122559
Why do you think it's "theft"?
It's not.

>>716122604
>Buy game
>Don't agree to the ToS
>Take the game back to the store and get a refund
Simple. You're allowed a refund for up to 30 days for any reason, including this.

>>716122172
one's a pejorative and disrespectful, the other is the opposite

When businesses, or anyone really, calls you a consumer they're overtly insulting. You're being called cattle.

>>716122620
Because no theft was commited. Duh.

>>716122675
you do know the ToS can also change after a month right?

>>716122675
that's not an agreement you made with the company and has nothing to do with the EULA you retard, that's the standard policy for the store you bought from. If you weren't in the 30 day return period offered by the storefront, you wouldn't be getting a refund

how the fuck are you this stupid

>>716122095
>you have all the information at your disposal when you buy a game to make the right decision. simply don't buy games that can be shut down if you don't support the practice. you have plenty of alternatives. most released and in-development games are of the last-forever kind. it's not like there isn't a market for them.
Unfair contracts are legally void in eu. Even if they are not “click agree” post purchase EULAs, but a proper paper ones that you receive before the purchase, sign with you full name, and both sides sign it completely willingly. It doesn’t matter if you have alternatives.
>if you don't read the EULA you have only yourself to blame for being uninformed
And if eula breaks the law its creators only have themselves to blame.
>of course there isn't when such a decision relies on month-to-month data. should Rockstar have shut down GTA V in 2018 if they'd announced a 5 year runtime? should Sony have kept Concord running with the same premise?
If they want to sell it as a service then yes, license should have an expiration date and conditions under which it can be extended. Not having an expiration date makes it impossible for a customer to pull out of contract. Playing a game for 10 years and then requesting a full refund would be unreasonable, but if there is a way for a seller to pull out of a contract any time, the exact same right should be given to the customer
>but voting with my wallet doesn't work!
It doesn’t. Majority of corposwill not change their ways until they’re bankrupt and they will take hundreds of years to go bankrupt provided they dont get gov bailouts. Which they do.
>this is not one of those cases. this is companies taking old toys away, purely an entertainment and nostalgia driven non-issue.
Corporations working in EU should respect EU laws. Currently they have loopholes to avoid responsibility for enforcing an unfair contract and that should be fixed.

>>716122675
>You're allowed a refund for up to 30 days for any reason
ok ask nintendo to refund your game then

>>716122095
>if enough people are buying perishable games that it remains a lucrative market, there is clearly a lot of interest for them. many people other than you like playing them and don't mind that they won't be able to hop back in in 20 years.
Most people don't even think that their game "license" will expire anon. That's the whole point, people are used to own their games. So this needs to be regulated somehow, an anon above already explained why these practices are shady.

>>716122771
>that's not an agreement you made with the company
I know. I didn't make an agreement with the company.
How retarded are you?

>>716122806
>Unfair contracts are legally void in eu.
Are these contracts?
Are they unfair?
How do you prove this?

>>716122827
I have, many times. TotK and Pikmin 4 were my last refunds on the Switch.

>>716118761
>Surely, it can’t take that much effort to add a patch that makes everything work offline or on a locally hosted server.

if the game was never designed to be run offline then it could take months for a patch to be made.

>>716122960
>if the game was never designed to be run offline then it could take months for a patch to be made
sure thing shill kun

>>716119732
yea, apple had been using USB-c on macbooks for years, and ipads were already using them when the laws changed to force iphones to use it.

>>716122838
So why does the button say "buy" instead of "subscribe"? You don't have to support the game forever, just don't try to sell me a product that's actually just a subscription to a service. Sell subscriptions

>>716122726
>modern westurd corporations infamous for stealing money
>"b-but they're not really stealing money!"
worthless shill

>>716122083
they already do all that

>>716118761
they cant push micro transactions and it represents competition to next game

>>716122878
Yes
Yes
By suing the contractor, which is a tedious thing to do if we’re speaking about video games, because it is 1 person vs huge corpo for a refund of 60€. EU judicial system is not precedental also, so if someone wins a case you can’t use that, you need to repeat what the previous person did.
Here is a guide on fair contracts in EU https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/indexamp_en.htm

>>716123125
show me the clear end date on a EULA anon

>>716123123
It's not theft. Why do you think it is?

>>716115779 (OP)
Yes. And you should make sure that your game remains in playable state after your services are discontinued and isn't broken for the people who've purchased a permanent license to play it.

>>716122726
>They take your stuff.
>It's not stealing because I'm a retard.

>>716123139
>You prove it's a contract by suing them
?
How do you sue them for "violating a contract" if you can't prove it was a contract in the first place?

>>716123245
>Give company my money
>They give me a game
>Then the game 'shuts down'
>But they keep my money

>anon pretending to be retarded from the last thread is back
great we needed the bump

>>716123293
>You agree to have your stuff taken
>"I-I-IT'S THEFT!"
It's actually, factually not. No matter how hard you cry, it never will be. Because you agreed to it
Sorry.

>>716118761
Making the patch would mean a 14 peso deficit.
The game being available might make game+1 less enticing via loss of planned obsolescence.
Company will no longer have total control over the game.
All very good reasons serving the customer and the customer only. Nobody but filthy anti-semites would say otherwise, and you aren't a fucking nazi are you anon?

>>716123245
nta but I paid for a game that doesn't work anymore. I don't know if it's theft but it definitely is fucked up
If your product has an expiration date, it should be made clear what that date is. And then my purchase will be informed by that date. Am I willing to pay full price for something that only works for 2 years? A lot less willing than I would be if the expiration date wasn't there. That's why it's not there

>>716123296
>Every time you buy a product or service from a professional trader, you're entering into a contract
Please do read provided materials, it is the very first sentence on the page

>>716123338
>Company will no longer have total control over the game.
Why would anyone want this?

>>716123125
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAH

>>716123330
if you post again in this thread you agree that i come to your house and rape you at 12 am EST

>>716119814
Yes dude all those games from 20 years ago surrendered their IP by selling games without DRM and letting players run their own server

>actually read ToS
>point 67b on the 30th page
>"btw we can change any of this at any time"
How is this not criminal? That literally reeks of fraud.

>>716115926
expect a big "its just a service and you own nothing" disclaimer

>>716123369
Why do you need a daddy company to tell you how to play your game?

>>716123352
It's certainly not theft, but I agree it should be made clearer.

>>716123387
Not a contract, sorry. Keep crying.

>>716123423
DSA rape

>>716123424
Why do you want indie game devs to not have total control over the games they make?
Go ahead.

>>716122583
>Ark
it'll still run like shit

>>716123316
>from the last thread
you mean from every thread in the entire year

>>716123449
oh btw you still havnt replied to
>>716123175

>>716123508
Wasn't directed at me.
Why would I reply to it?

>>716123491
>b-but indies
Indies don't make games with dependencies on the server farms in the basement of their LA HQ

>>716123449
>certainly not theft
Here's a riddle for you. I bought something and now I don't own it anymore. I didn't lose it, I didn't sell it, I didn't give it away, I didn't destroy it. What happened to it? That's right it was stolen from me, there are no other options left

>>716123449
without a clear end date its theft anon
>yeah your game may go offline whenever i want, that could be 2 years from now or next month who knows :^)

>>716123543
>Dodges the question
Cowardly. I'll repeat myself.
>Why do you want indie game devs to not have total control over the games they make?
Go ahead. Don't be scared.

>>716123491
If they want total control they shouldn’t be selling, that’s a pretty simple concept. Once you sell something you dont have a total control over that

>>716123537
>wasnt me i swear :^)

>>716116120
suck Xi dick even harder

>>716123568
>>716123571
It's not theft when you agree to have your goods or services taken away from you, which you have.
Why is this so hard for you to understand? It's very simple.

>>716123584
>be a retard
>expect to hear anyrhing besides "fuck off, retard"

>>716123584
I don't think devs SHOULD have ANY control over the game after they've sold it to you, why should they. It's mine now, you sold it to me

>>716123625
yup.

>>716123638
>its not rape if the contract states i can rape you next week and you agreed :^)

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is written in stone
Except the names on the headstones of every Ubishit employee

>>716123643
Fuck off, retard.

>>716123679
Factually correct. If you don't want to get "raped" why agree to it?

>>716123397
How are you people still under the impression that the game property is the only property?

>>716123638
>muh EULA means I can steal
nigger tier

>>716122960
I don't see that being true for anything sort of a MMO. Even then someone more knowledgeable than I am would probably prove me wrong. Crew 2 got an offline mode added shortly after SKG got announced. It wasn't intended from the start but they certainly were quick to add one.

>>716123638
You cant legally agree to that in EU, clauses like “we can take your license any time” and “we can change eula any time” are void

>>716123720
because this ''contract'' goes against the law
the law is above corporations

>>716123741
It's not theft. Stop crying.

>>716123330
I never agreed to it. EULAs have not been proven to be a legally binding contract in court. Many EULA contain illegal stipulations which are unenforceable.
Hopefully we will be heading towards a ruling that states that parts of the EULA where they can take our property by using bogus "service" wording are indeed illegal.

>>716123757
>the law is above corporations
Why do you want to genocide Jewish people so bad?

>>716123741
NTA but it has nothing to elephant with the EULA.

>>716123731
If there's legit no way to let people run a game without giving up this precious 'property' you worry so much about, then maybe it shouldn't be put in there in the first place.
Again, we had dedicated server software as a norm two decades ago, no one had to 'give up' anything, devs weren't enslaved or whatever, it was just the norm

>>716115779 (OP)
These fucking retards are so mogged by trends they dont fucking remember that older games didnt used to be ALWAYS online and that most people were okay playing Peer to Peer on player hosted servers. either they're retarded or lying through their teeth.

>>716123638
That easy, huh? I just need to convince a CEO to click accept terms and conditions and I legally own his company because the 6779 paragraph says I can.

>>716123543
I assure you only the cunty indie developers would care about this.
Most indies are more than happy to let plays create mods or fuck with their code as that's how they got into the business in the first place.

Providing service for online support indefinitely is absurd logistically. This is a real stupid hill to fight on.

Are there actually people in these threads that pretend they really read through every TOS document that they get shoved in their face

>>716123781
So taking someone else’s digital property without compensation is not a theft? Thanks for confirmation

How much are They paying you to purposefully misrepresent SKG?

>>716123781
>buy vhs tape
>want to watch it 10 years later with my son
>corporation paid pinkertons to break into my house and snip the tape
>leave leaflet about subscribing to goyslop+ to watch the movie

>>716123871
Thus it is not requested

>>716115926
>I expect either malicious compliance
Apple tried this with Uncle Timmy and Uncle Timmy raped them harder than he ever could before. And that's in lawless Shitmerica.

Imagine if Ubishit tries to bamboozle Ursula von der Karen.

>>716123921
>It's OK, we changed the video tape's Terms of Service to say its fine

>>716123491
how do retards always loop back to this non argument? we've had it two thousand times already, it's like a bot running it's course hoping the people replying will finally fall into their misdirection and misunderstanding of what's being asked and argue baseline incorrect points

>>716123638
>by continuing to post in this thread, anon hereby agree hes a ''niggerfaggot'' (noun: a nigger and a faggot) that gets raped by other niggerfaggots and has his peepee smashed by a jackhammer

>>716123989
>it's like
it's not like, it is

>>716123875
Well there are. We used to have a better ways of dealing with these people before, since they are so much offended by a request to respect customers, maybe we should return to older methods

ESL here. What does it mean being a "Consummate gamer".

Guys, I accidentally ran OG Doom offline and now ID lost the intellectual property.
I'm sorry, it's my fault.

>>716123741
>try to use bus ticket from a year ago
>"WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN IT'S NOT VALID ANYMORE I PAID FOR THIS YOU CAN'T STEAL FROM ME!"

>>716124117
So far, I've caused Bethesda to lose both the Elder Scrolls and Fallout IPs, and Blizzard to lose Warcraft, StarCraft and Diablo. I will not stop.

>sissy ytbois arguing about (((toys))) when lil Epstein and his kosher mafia are mass-importing pic related into their nations to rape and kill on the taxpayer's dime
ITT: Top Goys

>>716124159
Bus tickets have printed expiration dates, glad we're on the same page

>>716124159
They do have exact expiration date written on them, in fact if bus ticket has no expiration date and it is not usable a year after purchase it is fraud in EU

>>716124243
>"We will take this away from you tommorow"
Oh okay that's fine
>"We will take this away from you at some point in the future"
OH MY GOD THIS IS THEFT!

>>716124360
Yes.

since this is the politics thread I figured I could ask. Are all welfare programs just pyramid schemes?

>>716124414
We’re discussing video games preservation, fuck off to pol

>>716124176
Based, just stole ownership of Kingsfield's IP from Fromsoft myself, use it or lose it heh

>>716124052
a dedicated and skillful videogame player

>>716124360
>"We will take this away from you tommorow"
>okay then i wont buy your slop
and this is what shills and publishers are afraid of

>>716123491
What indies are makimg a 500 million dollar always online multiplayer live service game?
Go on, clown, make us laugh.

>>716124535
Okay so why are you still buying games when the devs tell you they're gonna shut it down at some point?
You don't get to complain that you were robbed when you agreed to getting robbed.

>>716123908
of course it's not
there is no theft in copying a bunch of 0s and 1s
if we could do the same with any food we would resolve world hunger
only a villain would claim theft when infinite amounts of copies are made

>>716122556
>Why do you think it's theft?
Because a product I purchased was taken away. Said product was advertised as a game purchase, not as a service which has end date of x/y/z. It is false advertising at best, and malicious planned obsolence and theft at worst.
If you sell a copy of a game to someone, that someone owns said copy of a game. Just like if you sell them a movie or a music CD.

But we have gone through this way too many times in these threads. You just reduse to listen. You refuse to acknowledge that maybe corporations aren't right or good even when they are rich.

>>716124579
stealing is against the law even if a flimsy contract states it isnt :^)

>>716124618
Ah okay so all you have to do is take these devs to court and you'll be good right? Man, if it's that easy I wonder why nobody has done this yet. It's almost like the law isn't on your side with this one.

>>716124663
no need to take them to court
law will be adjusted so they'll be punished for stealing
alas democracy won

If buying a game isn't owning, then pirating one isn't stealing :)

will any of this matter when you can just prompt AI to create games for you and there is no longer a need for a games industry?

>>716124778
It will. I will own the games that i buy and no company will be able to take it from me ever again.

>busting out the AIjeets
Man they must be really low on gas

Someone post the Ross picture with mushrooms on his head
Cracks me up every time

>>716124716
Why does it need to be adjusted if it's already against the law?

>>716123491
explain how dwarf fortress dev has no control over the game he's made

>>716124663
>Ah okay so all you have to do is take these devs to court and you'll be good right? Man, if it's that easy I wonder why nobody has done this yet. It's almost like the law isn't on your side with this one.
the law is on my side against scummy corporations
im using my voting power to have the law changed do
nothing you can do about it but seethe and mald :^)

>>716115779 (OP)
Except nobody asked them to keep THEIR servers up forever. Just the lost 90s art of letting people host their own servers.

>merchant has an utter meltdown when people ask for a fair trade
Tale as old as time.

>>716123491
>>716124574
Please answer my question!

>>716123330
your agreement is void from the onset

>>716116120
Launch legal proceedings against them and should they continue ignoring it and refuse compliance, seize their assets and terminate their operations. It's actually very simple.

The whole thing makes no fucking sense
>We want onlines games with offlines forever
>Or atleast the tools to make out own (btw the main character is now trans lol)
>Or atleast keep them online forever
This shit makes NO SENSE

>>716123827
>If there's legit no way to let people run a game without giving up this precious 'property' you worry so much about, then maybe it shouldn't be put in there in the first place
Or you can just accept that others can own things just as much as you can using those exact same rights that you have.

TOTAL

UBISOFT

BANKRUPTCY

SOON

>>716123330
>"I WROTE IT DOWN IN THIS PIECE OF PAPER THAT MEANS IT'S LEGAL NOW"

Why do all Frenchmen look like pedophiles?

>>716115779 (OP)
>service
product

PRODUCT

off with his fucking head

>>716125286
>Just the lost 90s art of letting people host their own servers.
What you people aren't getting is that it's not the 90s anymore, not that you were alive for it.
Anyway, the point is twofold
1) games font use bespoke software anymore and that includes server software, a lot are also third party meaning not only could it compromise their other games but games they don't even own
2) back then developers gave server software BY CHOICE. You want to FORCE them. All that eill do is make online games a risk they can't afford to take

The best part is that it wouldn't even kill drm since as things are the demands allow for killing games and reselling "offline" versions.

>>716128618
Because you are underage and looking for it because you can't get laid.

>>716128369
OK but I bought a copy of the game, I own that, and if you design it to brick remotely then its my right that got violated when you do that

>>716128712
I'm 34 years old and have had with women.

>>716128756
You are an underage frogavatar. You are looking for me to shrek your bussy

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is etern-ACK

>>716115779 (OP)
It's not about a game lasting for a literal fucking eternity, it's about being able to play it years or decades down the line as long as the files are intact. MMOs, sure, the gameplay is entirely dependent on cooperation with remote players. Even then, if players want to create their own servers to facilitate unofficial future gameplay, then the tools to do that should be passed on. Without that, there's no excuse for a game to be entirely killed off when they want to use their servers for something new.

>>716128739
>I own that
Yeah. The copy, like you said.
Not the property.

Also bricking doesn't mean what you think it does. It explicitly means non functional.
Does the game fail to boot? No.

>>716115779 (OP)
>You provide a service
then you're violating the law already by not properly following the laws regarding contract of sale on services bro. To supply services you have to specify a completion date/duration of service in the purchase order

>>716118761
Legalese IP protection + what if the guys in cool suits get the idea to remaster it in 5 years? Can't unlist/disable the old version to force it if everyone can just play on community servers.

>>716128982
You're confusing subscription to a service with the service itself.
Also I don't think he said anything about services, that was just op.

>>716128981
Boot to a screen that says 'Cannot connect to server, please check your internet connection', which is effectively bricking.

I don't want to own the IP, I want to know my game will be playable in thirty or even forty years, like Quake and Halo and Half-Life will be

>>716115779 (OP)
Consoomers need to collectively stop enabling "services"
Fuck, I wish people had the good sense to realize that
>nothing is eternal
Gee, up until games became intertwined with the internet, they almost kinda were eternal

>>716115779 (OP)

>>716129097
>which is effectively bricking
No, no it is not. There's no such thing as "effectively" bricking, either it is or it isn't.
Law doesn't work like you think it does, you can't argue that it doesn't work if it's working as intended DRM and all, and that's what you purchased.
>I don't want to own the IP
You're asking for something that requires control of the IP.

>like Quake and Halo and Half-Life will be
You need to understand that were made in a time you weren't around for when games were all custom built and they could give out server software without compromising other games. That isn't the case now.

>>716129097
>which is effectively bricking
I hate you zoomers.

>>716129428
>Hurr you still own the car bro, you can get in and turn the wheel and everything, the dealer just remotely disabled the car from working so you'd buy another from them, you havn't been swindled

>You're asking for something that requires control of the IP.
No I am not. Stop trying to seriously push this horseshit. We can just FUCKING LOOK at the games from the time when it was normal and SEE ITS NOT TRUE, FUCKING RETARD SHILL
People can run games of Quake to this day off their machines and yet Johnny Carmack and ID didn't have to give up the IP for that to be possible

>its just lost technology now bro, we can't do it again anymore
Can't believe people type this crap unironically

After this can we get rid of gachas next? Theyre ruining /v/ with spam.

>>716129683
Online DRM that makes it so you can't use your console IS ''bricking''.
>b-but it only affect your account
When they kill an account they also make it so you can't remake or use another account on that same console. The effecively ''brick'' the console which the banned account loogged in from.

Ruin to SNOY!
Ruin to PEDONINTENDO!
Ruin to GAYBOX!

>>716129838
Can we also get rid of the people that consoom gacha too? Like in a public execution or at least an imprisonment or something?

>>716129746
All of that and you didn't say anything that counters my argument.
In any case if you bought a game/car/any product that can be disabled then that will never be considered bricking. It's part of the functionality of the product that you knew about before purchasing because it was printed over the product and the manual. It's not something that was introduced at a random point.

>No I am not
Yes, you are. The reason you're having such a time understanding this is that you aren't aware that controlling an IP means you can do whatever you please with it, including giving it away for free which is what they did in the past. They can't do that now however because said software wither isn't used for one specific game nowadays or doesn't belong to the publisher.
>Can't believe people type this crap unironically
He says as the only one in the thread who believes sharing software is some form of arcane technology.
Maybe if you'd listened instead of getting mad you would have learned something today.

>>716129903
Nigga, if it works it's not bricked. The whole idea behind the term is that the hardware doesn't fucking work and is as useful as a brick.
What the actual fuck is wrong with you kids?

>>716130023
I'd be okay with that.

>>716130194
>Nigga, if it works it's not bricked.
It does not work. This is the point. It's why i wrote ''bricked''. While the hardware itself is not damaged its ability to communicate with the consoles servers is destroyed on the other side. This means that any game that needs a connection to the consoles network to run can't run anymore. Are you people retarded or just pretending?

>>716123330
Believe it or not, if you sign a contract with “we can steal from you” clause, it will still be theft and not fucking legal

>>716119991
>the King James Bible for example is over 400 years old and we still preserve it toda
God Bless.

>>716130194
If it doesn't play games, it IS as useful as a brick.

>>716129428
Nta but
>No, no it is not.
Yes it is
>Law doesn't work like you think it does
And now it will
>You're asking for something that requires control of the IP
No I don’t
>You need to understand that were made in a time you weren't around for when games were all custom built and they could give out server software without compromising other games. That isn't the case now.
Your problem not mine
Hope that clears things out for you :^)

>>716130120
We listened, we paid attention and that's how we can see this bullshit practice is a looming threat that needs quashing.

No one cares about your pedantry, we want this nonsense stopped, and if it takes the law saying 'yeah you cant do that', then so be it. You can't write yourself the ability to do illegal shit with the magical EULA, this will just be another of the big list of things on that.

>>716115926
>I expect either malicious compliance
Expect billion euro fines. You kids are acting like this is the first time the government forces people to do stuff they don't want to.

>>716123423
Disclaimers do not supersede the law. EULAs don't do that either.
You can try that yourself by printing "goes over the speed limit" on your car and telling the cop that by talking to you, he agrees to not give you a ticket.

>>716118761
Halo Custom Edition got a patch from Bungie after the gamespy servers got shut down so it shows community servers instead.
It's entirely laziness

I completely accept that at some point a company will stop supporting the network infrastructure to keep a game running. It's not on them to keep a game running forever.

HOWEVER, HOW-FUCKING-EVER...is it so goddamn hard to make the server resources available to the community so they can stand up a server of their own if they want to maintain it going forward? You can wash your hands of it from there, no support given outside of enough basic documentation to run it and no further patching possible, but if a game is beloved enough the ingenuity of the community will likely carry the torch without the intervention of the company supplying it.

>>716118761
Their main reason seems to be that they do not want you to play the old game, but buy the new one instead.

>>716123961
What would she do, let in more Muslim’s to tape you?

Look at Ubisoft trying to pivot to a subscription based model. Anything to increase those shareholders profits am I right?
Also they haven't produced anything of value lately. I don't even know where that confidence comes from. They deserve their downfall.

>>716131245
Watch them spend millions on lawyers to fight this obligation that actually could be met easily with piss-all effort and extra cost

>>716115975
because nes wasn't made by Valve
otherwise they would have forced you to buy a Wii U

>>716131245
Please understand, it is very hard since you can’t slap a “2” on the same game and sell it again for 60 eurobux, this is very antisemitic

>>716131072
>We listened, we paid attention and that's how we can see this bullshit practice is a looming threat that needs quashing.
You clearly didn't or wouldn't have bought the product. Your sheer idiocy and/or willful ignorance is the problem, it'll never be the fact that they can do it since it's you making it effective. Do you understand?

>You can't write yourself the ability to do illegal shit with the magical EULA
No one is talking about an EULA the EULA is irrelevant because this is a full on copyright matter

>>716115779 (OP)
You know what else isn't written in stone? Me spending money on your shit. I'm sunsetting my wallet like it's a fucking Destiny 2 expansion.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
Death is eternal, someone should educate him on that.

>>716131527
They're nevertheless going to get it. Just let them fuck up video games.

>>716115779 (OP)
If nothing is eternal why work for money, just make games for fun :)

>>716115779 (OP)
A reasonable sentence. Its weird you believe that you have more than 30 years to live from now with current life style too

cavifax
lots of threads lately have been spic memes blended in with high transparency, not very funny imo

>>716115779 (OP)
My CS 1.6 work jus fine

>>716131525
it actually is.
CoD proves your dumb ass wrong

>>716131660
Lol.lmao. You WILL live till you’re 110 y.o. Even though you will be vegetable for 40 years at that point

>>716122960
Dude how do you think changes for these games get tested? Every single online-only game has local offline versions for developers to play around with. They don't just push changes directly to the servers, even pushing changes to test servers would take way too long

>>716131594
good, that's how it's supposed to work
the petition only gives a corrupt EU more power.

>>716115779 (OP)
>but nothing is written in stone
And that's illegal in a EU contract. The whole point is to make you folow the law, cunt.

>>716131527
You don't have to have bought any of these games to think this practice is bad and should be stopped. I could be the smartest person in the world and the problem would still be there, and I hope I'd still join in with people railing against it. EULA, copyright, please get it through your head that we do not care about legal pedantry, we just want the practice to end, by force of law if needed.

>>716131245
The only reason I feel like this never happens as much as we want to see is that companies reuse server architecture design for future games and to expose those to the community if they want to drop support for an older title using the same network platform they run the risk of exposing vulnerabilities that could affect their current titles also using the same architecture.

Also these server architectures may not be packageable for distribution after a game reaches EoL so they can't be assed to try to divorce that server architecture in a way to make it redistributable and patching the game to interface with a server they're not running themselves.

>>716115779 (OP)
They really know it will absolutely kill their model of rehashing assassins cry 3456789 if they can't kill the previous numbers.

>>716131087
corporations aren't people

>>716129838
The law would require gachas to fork over their code after eos which most will probably just stop offering service in Europe.

>>716132221
yeah, just like Apple stopped selling iPhones in Europe

>>716115779 (OP)
>but nothing is written in stone
Sounds like we are about to write it in stone.

>>716132221
Actually it will be easy as fuck for gachas to make an eos patch. Server infrastructure is so timy you pretty much can slap its mock into the app and ship it

>>716132020
>and I hope I'd still join in with people railing against it
Which you aren't. In fact I would say you're making it worse since you're not teaching people to refrain from buying or to spot red flags you're telling them that it's okay to buy without thinking because the government will stop the current problem.
Which of course just leads into a new problem as the companies who put far more thought into it than you did have already analysed what you're doing and come up with a loophole that enables them to continue being anti-consumer.

The ONLY way to stop them is to stop buying which you and others refuse to do.

>>716132221
most gacha games actually have very minimal online functionality and are perfectly playable offline, they just force always-online to stop people from cheating the gacha

>>716115779 (OP)
nope, you take my money you give me a product
if you take that product away then i expect my money back

>>716132369
Fuck you're right. This shit wont even get rid of the gamble to win non games ruining the board.

>>716132020
>we do not care about legal pedantry,
Then you're going to fuck everything up. Law is all about the minute details, it's not "pedantry" it's necessary to understand if you want this shit to actually die you fucking moron.

>>716132474
>VoTe WiTh YoUr WaLlEt
Some red flags shouldn't exist. And there ARE already plenty of red flags that don't exist, because they're fucking illegal.
People shouldn't have to worry about the products they buy just suddenly going POOF one day. I don't care if they're smarties or idiots, they should apply for everyone. Fuck your elitism bull

>>716131829
My UT2004 also works fine. There are even peopel who organized community servers on the GOG forums.

>>716132693
We care about legal pedantry when shit is being written, not when fighting corpo shills on video game boards who lets be real know damn well what we mean already

>>716132693
or you just get rid of the talmudic nonense that is "rule of law" and return to having a wise king who can just make decisions and just execute bad people without going through a bureaucratic process.

>>716116120
Fuck their ass 3 ways from sunday, I suppose.

>>716132805
Heads up retard, you're the corporate shill here. You're convincing people that a poorly throughout method that anyone who put a modicum of thought into it already knows how to get around is the absolute best method instead of just telling them to not buying and cutting the problem off at the source.

>>716133464
Surely if it is that stupid and everyone knows how to bypass it, corpojews wont be seething amirite

>>716115779 (OP)
What if we wrote it into law, "If you do not comply with SKG, you are summarily executed."

>>716133464
Yeah dude you can 'get around' the devs keeping a chunk of the game's brain at their office waiting to be deleted one day

Obviously you can't just 'make' people all boycott the games hard enough for the entire phenomenon to go away. But apparently we CAN come together to get law passed to put a stop to it instead. And that's what we're doing, no matter how much it pisses you off.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
Yeah, with the way things are going, Ubisoft will go out of business before any laws have time to be passed.

>>716133464
>j-just tell people not to buy it!
Yeah that worked out great with microtransactions didn't it?

>>716133681
Israel pm would scream and seethe how antisemitic EU is

>>716122095
>you have all the information at your disposal when you buy a game
Now, I understand that you are a dishonest shill, but it's still impressive that you couldn't make it one sentence without lying.
When you buy a game, you have no idea if it's going to be a Diablo 1 type situation where the servers are still going strong after over 30 years or if it's something like the Crew, which was still being sold less than 4 months before it was shut down without any hint of the game getting bricked soon.

>>716132738
>And there ARE already plenty of red flags that don't exist, because they're fucking illegal
I like how you're saying this like things aren't illegal because someone did them.
>People shouldn't have to worry about the products they buy just suddenly going POOF one day.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you on that one, the problem is that the anons that disagree, disagree with your methods since your method is effectively smoke and mirrors to give people a false sense of security while companies can still implement drm as long as they have an "EoL plan" which can include just selling the game again since this movement isn't about keeping YOUR game buy keeping a version up.
Meanwhile running a campaign about refusing to buy cuts things off at the source immediately and something like that would be incredibly effective in this day and age where most third party games aren't selling very well.

Basically, you're going at it like a bunch of headless chickens

I dont understand why game publishers and devs are seething about this? They will have to explicitly agree to SKG after the law passes, they can always opt-out of publishing in EU. That seems like a fair deal to me

>>716132738
>Some red flags shouldn't exist.
That's not how that works red flags have to exist to be identified as red flags. I mean you're talking about how laws prevent them but what do you think came first, the law or the crime?

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
Funny he thinks he has a say in that once lawmakers get involved.

>>716115779 (OP)
i can tell his tribe by his nose

>>716115779 (OP)
it's stunning how most people who signed it have an even worse understanding of the initiative than piratesoftware. reminds me of when steam greenlight was new and people would put games like warcraft 3 on there

>>716134953
That's how people are unfortunately, especially when it comes to mainland Europeans. They fall for the promise before they take five minutes to read the thing.

>>716118761
People can say many things that could be factors but realistically there's genuinely 0 reason, they never actually shut down most games before launching their sequel so it's obviously not hurting sales or even player count in any significant way. Overwatch 2, and possibly Counter-strike 2 arguably, are the only games I can even think of that even tried something like that. Even then the previous buyers got everything in the sequel and didn't pay anything anyway, plus CS:GO is playable in the beta branch. Smite 2 fucked over their playerbase I guess but even they haven't shut down Smite 1 yet.

>>716115779 (OP)
The Ubisoft CEO has to get used to not owning his company.

>>716136076
>but realistically there's genuinely 0 reason,
Anon, that's just saying that regardless of a valid reason you won't accept it.

>>716123491
Because they're fart-sniffing cunts like Phil Fish
Also, they already lost total control over the games they make you dirty jew

>>716115987
This. And I actually feel a pull and desire to play many of the old games I never did back in the day still, but even the new live service games coming out I'm turned off by because it feels like I'll be wasting my time on something that might as well already be lost media. I can't get myself to care about something that's going to be deleted.

>>716136924
Then don't fucking play live service games or games with drm

>>716136984
Or I could demand the publishers to stop being dicks. I don't understand what's your reasoning against doing so. Some ancap delusion?

>As we rise again from the ruins of our servers.
>They will know.
>VIDYA BELONGS TO THE VIDYAGAMERS

>>716115779 (OP)
Imagine being the original owner of basketball or chess and declaring that you don't intend for people to be playing these games in a hundred years, and you're mostly saying it because you're a psychotic narcissist who wants control for control's sake. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that demons are real and walk among us in human form.

People like this shouldn't be allowed anywhere near game development. There needs to be a systematic purge across the industry.

>>716137131
So you could not give them money, something that has always been effective every time it was successfully pulled off
OR
you could ask them nicely to change their ways which has never worked.

>>716136924
This is why I still haven't played the nu-Hitman games. They look fun but I have zero motivation to put time into something that's always-online.

>>716137131
>I don't understand what's your reasoning against doing so.
NTA but it's because legislation never works. It just gives them new rules to skirt around. The only thing that works is not feeding it.

>>716137313
law isnt asking

>>716137618
>legislation never works
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-09-03/apple-september-12-event-iphone-15-charging-port-change-to-usb-c-from-lightning-lm3gn2hs

>>716137618
Yes they do? Every tobacco company needs to put a giant cancer warning on the package. Every car manufacturer must add seatbelts. Every food manufacturer must put ingredients and caloric breakdown on the product.

You're either trying to poison the well, or you focus on smalltime internet doomer nonsense while forgetting what the real world is like.

>>716136624
I can accept it because it already happened with Overwatch 2 so they could siphon their playerbase onto the sequel, but I say "realistically" because there's no precedent of people not hopping on *new thing* in favor of staying with old faithful. Usually a sequel will fail because it's bad and people just don't want to play it. For example, Payday 3 launched and it didn't even see any significant transfer of playerbase to Payday 2, in fact Payday 2's player count has steadily declined as most games do.

I guess I could have conceded them being too lazy to work on stripping out their "services" is at least 1 realistic reason but it is definitely a poor excuse.

>>716137313
>Voting with your wallet werks guys, if everyone stops purchasing right now, by the year 4700 the company will finally-finally go bankrupt! And we will have a chance at having good games again
How about I vote with company wallet instead huh. Dont want to release an eos patch? That will be 10% of global revenue for this fiscal year. Yes, you heard me right faggot, revenue, not profit.

>>716115779 (OP)

>hey maybe we should all just let the companies pull all the scummy tactics they want and just not play videogames anymore
Why is this the argument for a bunch of you fucks?

Cool, then put the termination date on the front of the box.

>>716137618
I charge my iphone 16 with a charger block and usbc cable from 5 years old samsung a71

>>716115779 (OP)
>zoomies first online petition
Lmao welcome to the real world.

>>716138092
Live onscreen countdown at all times or bust.

>>716138069
This board has unironic industry shills lurking 24/7.

Some of them use AI to write their posts.

>>716115975
You won't be able to say the same about the switch 2 when they shut down the store in 2 years.

>>716138102
>implying he will have a say when EU showes monster dildo up his ass
Lol. Lmao even.

They are so very determined and desperate to maintain the product they create is merely a service.

>>716138176
Not in Europe they wont, dictatorship and all. Muricans have the freedom to have their purchased device disabled whenever tho

>>716138248
They really aren’t because if it was actually a service they would get RAPED by DSA already. They like this grey area where they can treat it both as a service and as a product and as “nothing was sold to you” all at the same time, so they can fuck consumers sideways and not be responsible for it. And they really don’t want this to go

>>716123742
Almost every single dead MMO eventually gets a community run private server up and running, reverse engineered from code the fans don't have and run at a loss. The original dev team doesn't even have to put in any work to 'stop killing the game'. They just have to let the community have some basic rights to use the product they bought. That should help illustrate just how absurd the pushback to SKG is.

>>716138069
Because it doesn't work. What you people don't understand is that companies aren't machines, they're made up of people who see you as nothing but the money you're spending.
If you kill one scummy tactic they'll just make another and another and another in an unending cycle that you can't stop until you learn that the only way to beat them is to just not fucking buy. That's why SKG is going to fail no matter is legislation happens or not. If it doesn't then nothing changes, if it does then they not only get a new ruleset to exploit but they have consumers who have tricked themselves into thinking it's safe to buy new games.

>>716138639
It doesn't.

>>716139014
>nuh uh

>>716138931
>corporations are invincible, stop trying
Pathetic. Do you prosper off whatever scraps they toss you?

>>716122095
>B-BUT IT'S NOT *TECHNICALLY THEFT*
I literally don't give a fuck. The law will be changed and you will do nothing but cry. Choke on my dick.

>>716139212
>>corporations are invincible, stop trying
You have to be some kind of corporate shill. I refuse to believe you read
>corporations can be taken down if you stop giving them money
As
>corporations can't be beaten.

>>716139212
>corpos are hit hardest when you take away their profits
>"n-n-n-no! Don't do that it doesn't work just sign this thing instead!"
So, I take it you're from babel media, right?

>>716139317
>deflection
They subsist off the taxpayer money circulated via fiat banking and debt reselling, funneling it into themselves via investment roulettes and angel investment rounds. The law is the only way to stop them. Do you seriously believe that "voting with your wallet" works when a single investment firm can invest a billion in a month and not feel any losses?

>>716139429
You can only take their profits away if you dismantle the global banking. Can you?

>the EU suddenly are the good guys

Government serving corporations good.

Government serving people bad.

>>716139556
>brits left the EU
>began importing even more shitskins than before
It's almost like it was the UN and not EU...

>>716115975
You shut your mouth, antisemite.

>>716139484
How is that deflection when that's exactly what you said? And no companies aren't subsidised by taxpayer money, you have no idea how any of this works do you.
>The law is the only way to stop them.
The law hasn't worked ever.
Apple gets away with being hideously anti-consumer to this very day
Google gets fined, pays it, walks away and makes that amount again in ten seconds.
Stop trusting the companies to do what you want them to.
>Do you seriously believe that "voting with your wallet" works when a single investment firm can invest a billion in a month and not feel any losses?
Yes? You are aware that they have to pay that money back right? It's not free money. If someone invests they expect to see returns, if you as the consumer don't provide those returns what do you think will happen?

I don't know what's so hard to understand bro you need to reach out and rally millions of consumers into a boycott against their product in perpetuity until they fix their problems you're asking for instead of reaching out and rallying millions of consumers into signing on for legislation to curb the thing you don't want for every company at once

>>716115779 (OP)
games changing from a product to a service has done more harm to vidya than trying to broaden the audience base to normies

>>716139484
>You can only take their profits away if you dismantle the global banking
Or you could just... Not buy. Companies live and breath on consumers, without them they fail spectacularly.

I wonder why you don't want peooke to know about the power they hold over them?

>>716115779 (OP)
That's a very cool theory, however
>Unfair Commercial Practices Directive
>Consumer Rights Directive
>Digital Content Directive
>e-Commerce Directive

>>716131829
Die, antisemite.

>>716139317
Ill do a simple math for you. MS market price is 3.8T dollars. Assuming they do nothing but AAA games with 200M budget and not a single person purchases them ever, it will take them 19 000 games to go bankrupt. Assuming no government bailouts(which they will absolutely get). Microsoft has 40 game studios. Assuming UE5 slop at max performance, they can shit out a game every 2 years per studio. That is 20 games per year on average. At this rate it will take them 950 years to go bankrupt. Again, the assumptions are:
>absolutely NOBODY purchases even a single copy
>NO government bailouts.
I am somewhat indifferent to the state of the gaming in 2975 to be completely honest.
>b-but they will chane their ways earlier
Ubisoft was ready to fucking die but not go back on their anti-consumer shit. France was paying their bills for a decade already btw.

>>716139556
When the bad guys do something that you agree with, you shouldn't disagree with the action just because they're the bad guys.

You should express disappointment that they're the ones leading the charge instead.

>>716139429
When the laws are implemented this will hit their profits at the scale they actually care if they don’t comply so whats your point

>>716139802
>boycott product
>product fails
>no money is made

>sign for legislation
>people cheer
>proceed to buy newest game
>company continues with scummy shit because the law doesn't have any rules about sharing third party software
>company makes up something worse
What's so hard to understand about this exactly?

>>716139794
Idk bro, iphone 16 charges with usbc

literally just publish the server files when you take yours offline, chink jew

>>716140236
>boycott product
>fails because this is retardedly harder to organize and you're a disingenuous weasel
>company continues
>boycott product
>succeeds
>company rebrands product and retards buy it all the same
see I can do imaginary scenarios in which you are the soijak

>>716139871
What if I dont buy and also vote to legislate these fuckers into not trying to steal my hard earned money from me, you little faggot
There should be no reason for a single player game to not work FOREVER, and there is no reason for devs to not allow people to play multiplayer games on LAN like we used to do back in the 00's, the tech is there
Greed should be punished, not just with bankruptcy, but also with the greedy losing what they tried to take from others.

>>716140236
Do you stop doing chores right after you have done it the first time?
We'll start another initiative to deal with it. It's a chore worth doing.

>>716116120
desu the most obvious way is to just void their copyright protections in the EU
which both allows private servers and is a sufficiently strong deterrent that they dont do that in the first place

>>716140071
This dipshit doesn't know how investors work

>>716131245
At the very least, if SKG makes it so that reverse-engineering abandonware and making fan-servers for defunct games are no longer a grey area than it'll already be a huge win.

>>716140654
Investors are the ones pushing against skg retarded fuck. They are the ones that want YOU to own NOTHING. In fact they will be the last ones to give in

>>716140526
Do you genuinely think that the government will allow that and not eventually see it as gross abuse of the initiative system?
It's as if you people have no real world experience whatsoever.

Can someone explain to me why this petition has been treated as a kind of certainty, i.e. politicians will take it seriously once it gets enough signatures? I'm not that interested in this whole SKG thing, but I am interested in that much. Are European politicians honor bound to legislate based on popular petitions or something? Petitions don't seem to do shit here (Burgerland), basically peak slacktivisim.

>>716140906
Because they're forced to and love to fuck with american corpos.

>>716140886
Define abusing the initiative system

>>716138151
This. And it makes me fucking mad how they have poisoned the well

>>716140970
A petition...can force them to? Is there a law about that there?

>>716141069
>petition
You keep using that hword

>>716141134
Isn't that what it is??

>>716141178
No.

>>716140906
Because it's funny and the EU has the card of being a huge consumer market.

>>716115779 (OP)
My hatred for UbiSoft is eternal.

>>716139556
This guy BLACKED the United Kingdom and then blamed EU for it.

>>716115926
Or maybe just ignore it altogether.

>>716140906
This is not a general internet petition, EU commission are bound by the law to investigate ECIs it if they pass countries thresholds and 1 mil signatures and give an extensive report on their decisions and reasoning. Even if the commission decides “nah”, EU parliament can pick it up after them and do legislation regardless, so this has an actual chance of something happening

>>716139630
Nah, he specifically wanted it.

>>716141407
Thanks for giving a real answer. Hope it's successful, then.

>>716140886
holy fucking kek the level of schizo reaching at this point is going to have me smiling the rest of the day

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
How come I can still play games from the 80s or still play a Dreamcast MMO like Phantasy Star Online right now but can't play Anthem or The Crew

>>716115779 (OP)
Okay but why do mexicans keep deepfaking the face of this literally who everywhere

>>716115987
I get you "Physical Game" retards are completely fucking retarded, but literally a SINGLE generation after the ps2 (and the capacity was there for them to) console manufacturers started bricking people's consoles for completely benign behaviour like playing backups of their own games (this is completely legal).
PLEASE for the love of fuck can you plastic worshipping retards quit doing 90% of the work in ensuring that you own none of your own software for them.
You either own games or don't.
And the whole 'you le extra ownzors physical media' was beyond killed by bluray readers.

>>716141419
Gdi can Britain not have a party that stands up for its people?

>>716128739
the eula that you didn't read tells you in no uncertain terms that your rights were not violated

>>716138176
You can still download Wii and DSi games, Er*c.

>>716141892
No.

>>716131428
tape me fucking ur mum lmao

>>716141040
If you suspect that you're arguing with an AI prompt, you should call it out.

I've seen it shut them up. Which is part of how I know that they're here.

>>716121710
No anon you're just retarded, you can play Half Life 2 without running steam, fairly trivially too.

>>716139630
It is almost like they are being punished for not being good goys.

>>716142101
ok tell us how, on release day, you bought and played hl2 without steam, give us all the rundown you fucking disingenuous faggot piece of shit kill yourself you secondary faggot, cover yourself in lighter fluid and strike a match, jump in the compactor of a garbage truck

>>716141986
They actually are and the only recourse they're banking on is a completely irrelevant factor that circumventing drm is a crime.
Not a matter of rights infringement, because this doesn't at all function under US law.
But specifically the act of circumventing drm was made a crime.

>>716141986
The eula that I didn't read is below the EU law.

>>716132137
I thought they were legally?

>>716142276
>Violent irrational sperg out because you don't know how to use a computer and are banking on it being unlikely that I had played Half Life 2
Launch it with the command line.
If it's installed, literally just
>hl2.exe_

there are femoids in this thread bros...

>>716142630
>application not detected steam.exe
huh that's weird you fucking disingenuous fucking piece of shit, genuinely jump in an incinerator

>>716142860
Hey you asked for how to run it without Steam in 2004 buddy.
You can run the current version without Steam too for the record.

>>716142954
yea it didn't work in 2004 you fucking dipshit, why are you trying to pretend you were there
god you're such a loser, i have /v posters with a fucking passion they're all fucking retards that pretend like they know what they're talking about when they have 0 firsthand knowledge of anything
you probably haven't ever even played the game, let alone bought it on disc day 1

>>716143098
Throwing a tantrum that you could run Half Life 2 without Steam in 2004 isn't going to make it so you couldn't. Sorry.

>>716142249
>Leave EU so white Europeans cannot migrate to Britain easily now
>Double down on importing non-whites via UN grants
The British migration crisis had nothing to do with EU membership. QED.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
>your hard drive won't last for 50 billion years, therefore we don't have to improve our business practices
classic

>>716115779 (OP)
Why does his face look like that

>>716115779 (OP)
Make games playable offline not matter what the game is, or we won't buy your fucking game.

>>716128685
Sorry but you're not entitled to make a profit

>>716146028
i maek thing
you gib money

>>716116120
Fine them billions and throw them out of the european market if they refuse to comply losing them further billions

>>716135750
>>716134953
>there is no way people would actually want us to stop killing games
>they must be mistaken
No, fuck you. Server emulators and offline modes now.

>>716115779 (OP)
Translation: They aren't doing anything.

>>716136984
>>716137313
I'll play whatever I want, and I'll send the people who wish to prevent that to jail.

>>716137618
EU consumer protections work, because the EU isn't fucking around and will fine you so hard your head will spin.

>>716115779 (OP)
who the fuck is this white guy? never seen him before.

>>716148865
And if you keep getting fines I bet shareholders can sue you in the US. Because you're literally hemorrhaging money just to give a fuck you to the EU. Same situation if you pull out of the EU too I bet. Of course this does rely on shhareholders understanding that the cost of compliance is less than the cost of the fines. Which since shareholders don't actually play video games...

>>716148865
EU business protections also work, namely Freedom to Conduct a Business (Charter of Fundamental Rights – Article 16) and Article 102 TFEU, forbidding coercion into certain types of contracts. You cannot force a company into doing business a certain way, including compelling them into certain methods of generating revenue. For example, you cannot force a SaaS model to become a perpetual one.
WTO trade rules also protect the methods in which a business operates.
Furthermore. perpetual contracts that already exist can be terminated for convenience with "reasonable notice", reasonable notice does not have an actual definition, but rather a common law interpretation based on the length of the relationship etc.
Keep yapping.

>>716149969
Interesting. If that's all true, then explain the industry's massive panicked overreaction they've been flooding us with.

>>716150063
>if that's all true
you have never read a single piece of legalese and it shows.

>>716150116
Why. Are. You. Afraid?

>>716150202
I'm not afraid, I just know that any proposed change will immediately be hit with class-action from Qualified Entities representing the interested parties as per EU requirements under Directive (EU) 2020/1828
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/LSU/?uri=oj:JOL_2020_409_R_0001
As part of this, an injuction will be granted halting any change to the legislation and keeping business as usual
This shit will be stuck in legal hell for 10 years, nothing is going to happen before you all hit 30-40, and then you won't care about it anymore, no one will.
Then it will silently die.
Right2Water took 7 years to be deliberated and ruled on, and even then, they didn't get the human right to water they wanted, just minor changes to Directive (EU) 2020/2184, to "improve access" and "introduce transparency".

>>716149969
>you cannot force a SaaS model to become a perpetual one
This assumes SaaS models even meet the legal definition of service.
>protect the methods in which a business operates
Businesses still have to follow laws
>perpetual contracts that already exist can be terminated for convenience with "reasonable notice",
Include an example. It's kind of comical to say
>you have never read a single piece of legalese
When you're citing precedent you need actual specifics because ruling themselves tend to be narrow in scope and specific.

>>716143574
They deliberatly wanted to leave the EU so they have an excuse to import more super cheap labor from Africa and India. White European workers are a lot more expensive and UK oligarchs don't like that. Also the EU demands worker rights. Outside of the EU the UK was able to keep slashing worker protections. Why do you think Melon wants to import Indians in the USA instead of using engineers from Europe, Canada or the USA? It's for the same reason.
>>716141285
The sad part is that Ubisoft used to publish good games 20 years ago.

>>716128618
You think men are pedo if they date 18yo girls

>>716150668
The EU doesn't work on precedent you fucking idiot. This isn't America.

>>716150619
>corponigger shills so afraid they've pivoted to walls of legalese
You love to see it

>>716150819
That's not what I was saying. The idiotic non-argument brought up here was that "EU are the bad guys" because Nigel Farage decided to leave the EU using populist rhetoric of "muh economy". EU isn't perfect, but it's pretty far removed from being the "bad guys".

>>716151024
>STOP CITING THE LAW, IT MAKES ME LOOK STUPID

>>716115987
>*Disc rots in your path*
Nothing personal, Playstation 2.

>>716151103
Last time I checked, you hated having the law cited at you, did your owners feed you some new info on your google drive?

>>716151024
>walls of legalese
Reading is too hard for the zoomer, you need a 30 second Tiktok Short with Subway Surfers footage to pay attention.

>>716151180
>can't argue against the substance, so proceeds to strawman and ad hom
kek

>>716150984
You fucking liar. There are a lot of people that make up bullshit on 4chan but the actual hutzpah to say that shit about the legal process of the EU confidently and hope nobody looks anything up.
Source:https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/08982810A3E90770E8F8A117AB569031/S2071832200021040a.pdf/characteristics-of-precedent-the-case-law-of-the-european-court-of-justice-in-three-dimensions.pdf

>>716140236
>never push for things to get better, because they might get worse instead
I will NOT take the blackpill

>>716115779 (OP)
>denial
>anger
>bargaining <- YOU ARE HERE
>depression
>acceptance

>>716142487
only in third world hellholes like India and the United States

>>716151603
>In civil law systems, judgments are meant to be binding only with regard to the decided case and only for the parties to the judicial proceedings. The same applies to the international legal order and to the law of the European Union. Outside of the common law world, there is no doctrine of stare decisis.
https://academic.oup.com/icon/article/12/3/832/763797
>The principle of precedent used in common law does not strictly apply in European Union law. It follows the continental civil law systems which lay less emphasis on precedent. However, the European Court of Justice has developed European Union law very significantly.
https://brexitlegal.ie/principles-of-eu-law/
CJEU is an important source for discussing the creation of law, and has an influence on the creation of law, but judgements from the CJEU do not in themselves create law. The CJEU itself can depart from its previous rulings if it deems it necessary, the EU is NOT a common law jurisdiction.

Fucking idiot, stop using the first result of Google that you didn't actually read.

>>716115779 (OP)
since nothing is written in stone, they can change the game so i can play it offline, or host my own version of said game without authentication tickets

>>716115779 (OP)
>yhink of temoving a server
>you onlu have to code in p2p into old game before u do so

Wow so hard

>>716152738
Who's paying the license for the middleware that runs on the server then?

>>716141779
It's fun

>>716146626
haha yeah
meanwhile over at the belt and road committee

>>716143749
He's from the tribe

>>716148963
>white

>>716150887
Not pedo but you need to admit is kinda ick

>>716115779 (OP)
The game companies have been carefully making you accept small concessions until they get to make single player games run out of a server so they can control exactly what happens to it.
It is the whole point of shit like STADIA fo example, why they try STADIA over and over and over and over again until you have to accept it.

But that's basically some jojo ass shit of
>next you will say, "we feel that this single player game is too old now and we're shutting down the service, buy game(remake)"

>thread goes quiet as soon as retard gets btfo
many such cases

>>716153857
The only people in favor of the game publishers on this shit are literal shills and literal children.
They tried this shit back in 2013 with SimCity being always online for no reason and when people complained they said it would be "too complicated" to make the game run offline.
A fucking week later some random guy published a mod that made it completely playable offline

>>716115779 (OP)
He's trans-fixated on SKG thinking they want EA to run servers forever.
Noone's asking for their support to be "eternal".
Just let people continue to play the games they played man.

BF2 - died when "service" ended
BF2142 - died when "service" ended
COD4 - Can still play in lobbies to this day
MW2 - Can still play in lobbies to this day
There were viable solutions to this shit back then.
This has only ever been greedy corporate cunts imposing themselves where they have no right being.
If someone buys a product they have the right to use that product.

>You are buying le service
No, people buy GAMES, you are classifying the online functionality as a "service" because you can't comprehend online play without heavy moderation and your input.
So when that "service" ends you deny people access to a major part of the product they have bought and in most cases; need in order to play.
THAT is what SKG is about.

EA and other toxic corpos have just been put into a corner and told their practices are anti-consumer and immoral

>>716154242
He knows that, but is lying because to admit what SKG really wants, which is the release of server-side software, places him in an indefensible position where he's refusing sale of the full product a person bought 'just because'. They would also have to admit they're selling live service games as a product and purposefully retracting licences for them, which is incredibly illegal in terms of existing consumer law, it merely hasn't been addressed until now.

They're going to keep misrepresenting what people want, they're narcissists who are perenially incapable of telling the truth or admitting that they're doing anything wrong.

>nothing is eternal
>....except endless growth and increased profits from now until the end of time, that's eternal

>>716123449
Sorry dude, sounds like you're getting raped tonight.

>>716131150
Selling a one-time access fee to an on-going service that may be shut down at any moment is not illegal in any jurisdiction

>>716155871
>a one-time access fee
It is when it's classified as a product under commercial law in most countries.

>>716156126
If it's such a clear cut case, you'd think someone would've sued already back during the Online Pass days

>>716155646
Even that has an ending, strictly predicted and specified, so 5 minutes to midnight the shareholders can all golden parachute the hell out of the company with the PROFITS and look for the next girl with a shitty with to propose a contract.

>>716156262
It went unreported so long because most gamers don't really care, see the difficulty in SKG gaining traction until relatively recently, and the laws themselves are pretty labyrinthine and poorly understood by the average layman unless they're told by someone in-the-know. Add to this the fact that the majority of governing bodies literally do not care about video games very much, most western nations are gerontocracies who still don't really understand the internet, let alone the implications of live service games. Legal systems aren't as robust or perfect as everyone would like to believe, oversights and misapplications happen all the time, people get away with illegal shit every day.

Did you know that if you rode a horse up to any bar, they are legally obligated to provide stabling for your horse while you're at the establishment? Also contrary to the spirit of traffic laws, you CAN ride a horse drunk.

>>716115779 (OP)
Punchable.

>>716140349
>>fails because this is retardedly harder to organize
NTA but telling people to do nothing is significantly easier than telling them to do something especially in the case of spending where you don't have to organise something across multiple countries.
The problem is that we're infested with corporate shills who want to convince people that their money has no power such as yourself.

>>716156760
There's definitely something about this type of sale in laws, enterprise software used to do the same thing with software sold as a one-time access fee that required servers on the software publishers end to keep functioning. No way in hell companies like Adobe and Microsoft haven't looked into this shit in every single way that could possibly matter.
Not like this shit is anything new either. Online-reliant games have been a thing since the early 80's with MUDs, even modern non-multiplayer games have been fully reliant on online servers since SecuROM and other assorted DRM bullshit in the early 2000's, and even more so with Steam and other account-based launchers.

>>716157373
>>716140349
You have to boycott AND scream loud enough the company can hear it.
If you don't do it, the faggot at the marketing department will get your boycott and use it for his own faggotry means.
He will say that the drop in sales was due the lack of diversity, or lack of his specific fetish or because the game was not monetized enough or.
Everyone that goes "just don't buy it" are probably marketing faggots waiting for the chance of forcing their new agenda using your boycott for it.

>>716157793
That's the beauty of doing nothing, if they try to pull something like that you can continue to do nothing until they learn their lesson and get it right.

>>716157793
That shouldn't work if the objective isn't to buy. Whether they know or not is irrelevant since any action they take that isn't revoking what they did to earn the boycott shouldn't result in spending.

>>716115779 (OP)
Zoomers have become so obnoxious at this point.
I'm so tired of seeing Pirate's ugly mug plastered everywhere because he's your trigger influencer.
I don't fucking care.
If you don't agree to the terms of service vote with your wallet and attention and don't play the game. Don't even pirate it.
Trying to get Jews to make retarded laws raising the industry barrier to entry and imposing post-sale duty of care is so pointless and hollow.
God, you're fucking stupid. It's OWS level retardation all over again.

>>716157724
>Adobe and Microsoft
They're not worried because they do the proper thing in this case, which is a transferable license that passes onto newer versions. Adobe, back when it wasn't live service, worked like a product, you paid a fee, you had the software, and that was that. Under their live service model, you pay a subscription, so it's classified as a service and not a product.

Live service games haven't been doing any of that and just haven't gone reported or noticed, chances are good that even they didn't know until SKG blew up. Regulators aren't exactly encyclopedias on consumer law and aren't on the lookout for the most minor of infractions in any case. As for most gamers, hell, most people go their whole lives believing a EULA is LAW.

Essentially, subscription = service, one-time-fee = product. You can't retract the license for a product unless a EULA violation occurs, and if any part of the EULA contravenes consumer law, then consumer law takes precedence because corporations are not above the law of the land. At least on paper. Considering that the live service model for games only being sold for a one-time payment has stood for so long, it may be grounds for a new precedent that live service software may be sold as a product, that's one way that this can go and would be very bad for us since they could just go mask off.

>Steam and other account-based launchers
Strictly speaking, they're in the clear so long as they do not discontinue service. If this goes the right way though, they will be required to look into potential EoL plans.

>>716158527
>OWS level retardation
Gee, mister! What a large nose you have!

>>716157724
>There's definitely something about this type of sale in laws
Yeah, there is, mostly in laws written in the 80's and 90's that hadn't been updated since then and still are being used to resolve those disputes. You should be able to notice the problem with this.

>>716152145
>>716151603
>>716150668
Why so quiet tardo?
Come back here and admit you got BTFO

>>716158746
>Adobe, back when it wasn't live service, worked like a product, you paid a fee, you had the software, and that was that
After you've activated the software via the long-since offline activation servers of course. And it's not entirely unreasonable to assume that companies may want to keep using those old Acrobat and Photoshop CS4 licenses for things like compatibility with old projects.
Assuming that's somehow legal but live-service games going offline isn't that means the death of Steam and other similar platforms, and going back to the old ways of SecuROM Lifetime Limited Activations which was a system so fucking awful it's what lead to everyone adopting Steam in the first place.

>>716161091
>After you've activated the software via the long-since offline activation servers of course
Once active, it's active forever unless you need to reinstall it, but that's technically a new license anyway. You can't really buy the old versions anymore. I won't say what they did and how they work isn't shitty, but it's just barely on the right side of consumer law. The SecuROM situation is utterly irredeemable, to this day, Steam for example offers unconditional refunds for games that can no longer be played because of that shit, regardless of playtime hours or period since purchase. That said, the company is long gone I believe, and can't be held accountable anymore.

>>716161405
>but that's technically a new license anyway
That only applies if it was an OEM license and came as preinstalled with hardware that was provided by Adobe, like if they were selling a laptop or a prebuilt. In any other situation, a retail license is transferable and you can reinstall it forever provided you deactivate it before you install it on a new system.

>>716161712
In that case, it's strange they haven't been pulled up for that either, but I suppose it's for the same reason publishers haven't been pulled up on this until now.

>>716161849
Yeah, you'd have to fight a company like Adobe in court for it, most people would just choose to pay again for their copy of Photoshop CS 4.

>>716161405
>the company is long gone I believe
The team that made SecuROM moved on to making Denuvo but the company itself is Sony, which is very much still alive.

>>716162021
I take it SecuROM was under SIE rather than Sony the parent company. Since SIE is based in the US, that would explain why nothing was done about it. SKG likewise failed in the US because corporations fundamentally have better rights than people.

>>716162190
SecuROM was under their disc manufacturing division, no idea what the corporate structure for that looks like.

>>716115779 (OP)
Media is meant to impermanent and lost to time, chuddie. it's not for you, little zoomzoom. Sorry you were born to late.

>>716162314
The parent company in Japan then, good luck taking a corporation down in the fucking land of the rising sun. They're hierarchical to a psychotic degree, half the companies over there were founded by samurai families.

>>716162190
SecuRom, Starforce and SafeDisc, the trifecta of dogshit DRM. I have in my possession pristine game CD's that are over two decades old by now that utilize some of those protections and the are completely unusable because when those companies went under, this dogshit had never been patched out of those games.

>>716115779 (OP)
Ubisoft really wants to be the most hated company out there.

>>716115779 (OP)
Keep in mind that it's always companies that push for woke shit that have these opinions.

>>716162983
It's a race to the bottom and every big publisher is neck and neck

>>716121628
>I bought a product
But you didn't - you bought a license

>>716163324
A license that grants me perpetual access to product under EU law. A license that can be given away, transferred to a different device or resold.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is written in stone
then write something

>>716128739
tell that to Apple and their devices
or Samsung and their fridges
or Tesla and their cars

>>716136729
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2983140/discussions/0/595154681972527401/
Huh I thought it was taken down due to the credit card nonsense but it looks like it was DMCA'd?

>>716121267
how are you going to run the microtransaction store 24/7 then? or seasonally rotate mini games and events for the illusion of content?

>>716115987
>nothing eternal!
Except the eternal growth their retarded jewish executives aim for?? Are these niggers for real?

>>716119814
>IP protection
IPs are COMMUNISM and must be abolished

>>716164506
>ownership is communism

>>716115779 (OP)
"Nothing is eternal"
Games should continue to exist until the last player who will ever play it turns it off for the last time.

>>716164556
Silence you evil piece of shit, the REAL market is speaking and it says it wants to be given freedom.

>company shouldn't arbitrarily brick single player content that would be trivial to leave in a working state
this is the only thing I feel strongly about.

>>716164605
Software is actually eternal, since it is digital and not subject to physical wear and tear and will only degrade if either its code or data carriers are intentionally sabotaged.

>>716121371
the only thing this would do would drag out dead flop games. every company would just sign a five year contract and then put it on life support whenever things dry up.

>>716164930
Companies would never do that because when you put an expiration date on a game, you create deadlines and expectations. That interferes with potential profit margins. They absolutely will comply with EOL regulations.

>>716164840
>since it is digital and not subject to physical wear and tear
Data isn't immune anon.

>>716123908
Correct.

>>716123921
Did you agree to have the tape be removed from you at a later date when you made the purchase?
No?
Then it's not comparible.

I just want people to stop buying games without private server support
the power to change this was in the hands of the consumer but the consumer chose to be a fucking retard so now we (might) get some half-assed government intervention that barely addresses the problem

>>716125770
Why is your question relevant to the discussion?

>>716115779 (OP)
time to trust bust these retards into the concrete

>>716165050
Functionally it is immune unless you want to reference extremely esoteric cases like rogue electrons messing up videogames that led to unique non-reproducible situations.

>>716165145
A contract that would allow you to remove my tape is illegal, just like slavery contracts are. Writing some shit in your papers doesn't make it the law. Fuck off.

>>716165019
>They absolutely will comply with EOL regulations.
i didn't dispute this, i'm specifically talking about the premise of devs signing a contract with players, they have to meet their end to avoid refunds.

>>716115779 (OP)
>nothing is eternal
Ahem.

>>716115926
No shit. Anyone who thinks these massive billion dollar corporations who employ armies of Jew lawyers will just say "well shucks I guess we just have to suck up and take on millions in extra costs for no gain" is patently retarded.

>>716165542
https://youtu.be/QEzhxP-pdos

>>716165624
Where is it illegal?

>>716166260
Little known fact, the title is referring to the end of the movie where the diamond studded satellite is stuck in orbit forever

>>716151171
Just clone it LOL.
If you want to go all buddhist everything is emphereal or some gay shit like that then that includes the servers too