Giving too much power to BF players is a mistake. I say this as someone who's been in playtests from early on. Almost every change ''community'' asked for made the game worse in one way or another. Locked class system will make the game even worse if people chooses that over open classes. Here's a list of things that made the game worse and worse due to community backlash
>Slower movement, community whined so much about movement speed and movement abilities basically only aggressive movement ability you have is backproning to trick your enemy into thinking you are dead
>Jumpshotting has been butchered
>Running speed is so slow it's almost the same speed as walking now
>Added shit ton of visual recoil compared to early tests
>Added shit ton of real recoil but mostly to ARs, no reason to use ARs at this point since they will be the least accurate weapon class due to recoil, carbines are just better ARs at this point, especially XM7, it basically has an AR damage model with no recoil
>Removed stims from assault, support is a better assault with infinite healing options now
>Still no proper spread because community whines about spread, even when spread is what caused the fun gameplay of BF3 and 4. Without spread you don't have good gunplay in a BF game.
>Added XM25 airburst and mortar to support, 2 of the most cancerous gadgets from BF4
>Now they are asking for people's opinions on class locked system and they are copying BF4 system, worst class system in any BF to this day which will make entire weapon classes such as SMGs useless once they fully implement it
This isn't exclusive to BF labs either, BF1 essentially turned into a game with no fun after DICE destroyed movement due to community whining too, even when slide was perfectly balanced after the first nerf.

Open beta is soon anyways, all the world can see the problems BF labs caused on the BF6 by themselves when it comes out.

Dead studio. Brain migration hit western studios hard. In Sweden nobody with engineering skills throws away a good life and salary making trashy video games.

noneissues
bf's biggest issues have always been despotism among serveradmins and cheaters. Fix this first

>>716119117 (OP)
>Jumpshotting has been butchered
good? this isn't COD.

>NOOOOOO I MUST BE ABLE TO MOVE IN A BF GAME LIKE I DO IN APEX LEGENDS AND COD I NEED TO SPASM MY WAY THROUGH THE MAP SPRINTIG WALL RUNNING AND SLIDING LIKE A HAMSTER SUFFERING FROM ADHD
this is you btw

just give me a bc2/bf3/bf4 clone

>>716119117 (OP)
This all sounds good though.

Weapons should be class locked and 2042's CoD-lite gameplay fucking sucked.
>Recon running shotguns and spawn beacons
>LMG operators don't use LMGs because they suck and they also don't get ammo resupply because fuck you
>Medics get to use the best weapons in the game because no weapon locks also they get ammo packs while being able to heal themselves
>Every weapon is a laser beam meaning only TTK matters

>>716119117 (OP)
>>Removed stims from assault, support is a better assault with infinite healing options now
support should be the only one with healing/revive items, bf5/2024 was fucking stupid because anyone could revive, no point in being a medic.
medic has always been my favorite class

>>716119117 (OP)
>DICE is trying to appeal to everyone by doing the both options meme
This is something children and redditors demand when there is a change they don't like. They're working for DICE now. BF6 will be 2042 2.

>>716119308
Squad revives were a thing since BF5

>>716119393
right yeah, stupid shit

>DICE the last 10+ years
>Yeah so uhhh we talked to the fans
>Its back to the basics you know the fundamentals
>Game hits the market end product is BF2042
How many times are you niggers going to fall for this?

>>716119249
No shit. Locking weapons to classes is the only time you get some decent variety. Ironically, reducing loadouts and perks and all that bullshit helps too

>>716119642
Yes, limiting customization lead to variety. Not all weapons should have all attachment. Limited attachment option can make a weapon have different strength and weakness. For example, to make smg not shit without just inflation its stat, give it exclusivity to thermal scope and one of the few weapon that can run silemcer. Weapons shouldn't have fire select neither. Lock then in single fire, auto, or burst.

>>716119419
They probably talked to Reddit.

>>716119249
>they also don't get ammo resupply because fuck you
this one baffled me, basically no one ever plays engineer in that game except if you're gonna go focus on blowing up tanks/helis.
BF6 is bringing back Engineer/Support having ammo boxes right?

>>716119117 (OP)
Battlefield peaked with BC2, who cares.
Also i think OP is fundamentally wrong, all the criticism i've heard about the upcoming BF goysloppa is that DICE aren't listening to player feedback at all?

>>716120091
>BF6 is bringing back Engineer/Support having ammo boxes right?
Support's crate can heal & resupply ammo simultaneously like Angel's supply drop from BF2042.
Engineer doesn't have one.

>>716120245
>Battlefield peaked with BC2

>>716120246
ah rip. I wish they'd just combine together Assault and Medic into one, as well as Engineer and Support.

>>716120383
>old good
>new bad

>>716120383
BFBC2 was released 15 YEARS ago, wtf is wrong with you? It was the most fun game of them all, and the best implementation of destruction physics to this day. Even helldivers 2 has lamer destruction that bc2, although their environment destruction and crater physics are industry-leading.

>>716120698
Yes.

>>716120698
>BC2
>new
???

>>716119117 (OP)
Locked classes, slower movement and so on are all good things for a BF game so sounds good. Not sure wtf you want the game to be. Sounds like you want the modern fps experience of sliding and jumping around, spazzing out and being untargettable half the time so you don't have to learn how to aim.

Battlefield 6 is going to be shit, but not for any reason you've listed here.

>>716120383
I agree with him and I'm 31. You're just an old man.

>>716119117 (OP)
>EA expects 100 MILLION (ONE HUNDRED MILLY) active players for BF6
>these are the retards they put in charge
this shit is going to crash harder than the world trade centre

>>716119419
>>Yeah so uhhh we talked to the fans
is basicly code for
>we talked with our most loyal shills who still stuck around after 10 years of pure slop and they say nothing is wrong :)

>>716119152
i never played battlefield to play arma you fucking dad gamer

>>716119117 (OP)
It should be as concerning to you as it is to me that you didn’t even mention vehicles in your complaint. I’m sorry do you just want to play CoD? As somebody who hasn’t touched BF since the subway beta on console; most of the focus should be on vehicular combat and only some given to skirmishes that happen between or to secure points. What fucking difference does it make to nitpick gun handling. I knew exactly one person obsessed with gun battles in BF and he trooned out. Get some perspective. You killed a franchise

>>716122143
>borderline zoomer

Everything bad in the BF franchise stems from Bad Company.
If they wanted crazy action CoD shoot gameplay, they should have just made a Bad Company 3 and things would have been fine. Instead they transplanted what they thought was good about the game into mainline which ruined both.
BF is nothing but random running around and kill farming to unlock weapon attachments now. Zero teamwork, retarded bullshit like spawning into self repairing infinite ammo vehicles and endless catering to microbrain console shooter fags.

We're never getting a good Battlefield game again. The developers no longer exist. The franchise is a zombie. It's over.

>>716123378
bc2 was almost peak bf though, it just didn't have prone, other than that it had everything

>>716120730
>crater physics
I played a game called Enlisted that had this. Explosions would blow craters into the ground and you could even did trenches manually to trap enemy tanks or hide supplies in.
That shit would be amazing in a Battlefield game.

>>716119117 (OP)
I think this is an issue with DEVS LISTENED!!!! things in general. Sure sometimes you could be an absolutely clueless retard, but if you have NO good vision that you can stick to at all then why even fucking bother making a video game?

>>716123852
It stripped classes down to 4, had a bumfuck retarded perk system, Medic was overpowered, maps were tiny, no jets, no commander.
I still loved it though, fuck I miss that game.

But like I said, they should have made BC3 instead of trying to BCify BF and fucking it up. You had to UNLOCK THE DEFIB FOR FUCK'S SAKE IT TOOK ME 5 MINUTES IN THE BF3 BETA TO REALIZE IT WAS FUCKED

>>716124190
hOOOOOLY BASED, you're probably the only other person I have ever seen talk about just how UNGODLY FUCKED BF 3 was.

Mashing Q or whatever the scout button was to reveal enemies for your allies and to get points, the post CoD modern warfare game design of trying to dripfeed content for your addicted ADHD playerbase that needs the omggg number go up for unlocking thing!! in order to keep playing. (I know, 2 had this as well to an extent and I absolutely hated it but critical class items were gatekept and it showed the series entering modern multiplayer cancer design) 1 and 2142 were the peak.

>>716124190
did we not always have 4 classes? damn i haven't played in a long time

>>716125301
metro 24/7 was peak though

The only thing that can save battlefield is adding immunity frames when rolling.

>>716123898
Enlisted is BF but better it completely replaced series for me. Shame that Gaijin is only half competent and messes up their game every time there is some update.

Rank them

>>716119117 (OP)
literally every single one of those changes is a good thing

>>716127978
Don't know didn't buy it.

>>716126857
It's fun but it doesn't replace BF for me because it entirely lacks the teamwork element. There's also the squad system that kind of ass and you spawn in vehicles which I don't like.
And the bots, they're just in the way and fuck up matches that could otherwise be good. All in the name of maintaining the grind loop over providing actually good, compelling gameplay.

>>716128663
There are no teamplay in BF outside of spawning on squadmate and giving him ammo/medkits.

>>716128964
Yeah not these days there fucking isn't. I haven't played the series in a long ass time but I used to. The closest games to replace Battlefield for me were Planetside 2 and Battlebit, but neither have that special element that made BF up to 2 so damn good and ended up dying.

DICE is the most untalented AAA studio next to Bethesda

>>716127978
every Portal map except for fuckin El Alamein > Orbital > Exposure > old Kaleidoscope > Haven > Flashpoint > Renewal > Manifest > new Kaleidoscope > Discarded > old Breakaway > old Hourglass > Reclaimed > new Hourglass > Redacted > new Breakaway
I'm not super attached 90% of these maps so I could move around the order of a lot of these on any given day. I miss old Kaleidoscope a lot, miss fighting over the rooftop and elevator at those two lower right skyscrapers. I also miss Hourglass' old skyscraper roof point, now it's such a flat map with no reason to go up there unless you're gonna snipe.

>>716127978
F F F F F F F F F F F F F F

>>716120730
man I miss destruction physics
it was supposed to be the future and now no one cares despite the tech being there

>>716119117 (OP)
Shout out to Redditfarms for destroying battlefield with their fan feedback

>>716131364
because it goes against level design
joining bc2 match midway through and seeing the whole map leveled with zero cover sucked ass
play the finals if you want that shit

>>716131586
It's only the problem on custom server where the ticket is inflated beyond the base value

>>716124190
Medic was less OP in BC2 compared to BF3 when they let medic have AR. Honestly, BC2 class was balanced perfectly. Arguably, you can slightly nerf LMG and medic would still be decent

>>716131586
the finals suck
I want massive 32v32 battles where we all nuke the entire map and fight in craters

>>716119117 (OP)
>>Added shit ton of real recoil but mostly to ARs
Doesn't make sense to be able to full auto someone several blocks away like in 2042

>>716132891
>I want a boring as fuck game that nobody's gonna play
Based game designer anon
You should post that on Reddit and join le DEVS LISTENED!!!!! crowd

>>716119117 (OP)
All those things are for the better, this battlefield might yet be decent

Class locked weapons are dumb, as are games with a hundred different redundant weapons.
Everyone should have the same assault rifle, like Wolfenstein Enemy Territory.

>>716119117 (OP)
>even when spread is what caused the fun gameplay of BF3 and 4

>>716134318
learn to burst fire, shitter

Classes: Centered around mastering your class
No classes: Centered around map memorization
Pick whichever: Lazy development

>>716119147
Jumpshotting has been in BF since BF2

Al Sundan

>>716119642
>Locking weapons to classes is the only time you get some decent variety.
I see more meta faggotry in BF4 than in 2042 so you're wrong. It's a weapon balance issue, not class balance issue. BF4's system in fact makes the variety worse since SMGs are basically a class no one uses.

>>716119308
>support should be the only one with healing/revive items
So 60% of the people will use support now due to infinite self heal, just like BF3-4 which gave best weapons and best gadgets to one class.

>>716119117 (OP)
other than the visual recoil shit, mortars, and spread nothing else on that list is actually a negative

2042 troon is here

Remake battlefield 3 just with more content. No niggers or handicapped people this time. Everyone would go crazy

>>716123083
>I’m sorry do you just want to play CoD?
I don't care about vehicles, that's why I never played with them, but according to people it's the same as 2042 for now. Plastic feeling and clunky.

>>716136337
i didn't see that in 3-4. i thought it was really fun

2042 was ass because everyone ran 1 of 2 playstyles: silenced SMG maria falk or silenced SMG blasco
there were a lot of other problems with 2042 but literally everyone running silenced SMG or AR was one of the big ones.

OP is a CoD zoomer which explains why he's mad at the lack of ADHD movement

>>716124190
Old BF was an ''unfun'' game series which is why it never caught on unlike other series of it's time such as Counter Strike or CoD. BFV reintroduced ''one'' aspect of old BF games to the series, attrition and it's easily the most divisive Battlefield to this day. What's also so funny is that people who stuck with BFV are the people who loved it's movement and gunplay, people who loved the ''epic, tactical, hardcore teamwork'' aspects dropped the game after 10 hours and never played it again.

>>716127978
Redacted > Spearhead > Reclaimed > who even cares about the rest? Exposure is somewhat unique though. I don't like it but it's a map that has a very unique layout due to verticality.

>>716137042
BFV's "attrition" wasn't a thing in the older Refractor games, you keep repeating this meme from that Marblecuck BFV video who has never played a BF game in his life until BF3.

>>716134318
People who complained about 2042 maps would've hated BF3 and BF4 if they had no spread, hell BF4 had even worse maps than 2042. Not even that but Caspian Border and Noshahr Canals plays like absolute shit in 2042. Take a guess why?

>>716136756

>>716136567
>No niggers or handicapped people this time.
worse this has women

>>716137550
>BFV's "attrition" wasn't a thing in the older Refractor games
They had even worse attrition.
>Only medic can heal you at all, you don't even have regenerating health
>Only support can give you ammo, you can't take ammo from dead bodies and reloads are clip reloads, not bullet reloads so you lose your entire mag
>You can only spawn on spawn beacons or on squad leader
>Vehicles has to be repaired manually, vehicle attrition isn't as bad as infantry attrition desu though, BF3 also had that and it played fine

>>716137751
Anons have already talked about your bullshit in the previous thread, >>716062913 You're a broken record at this point.

>>716138039
>Hard data is bullshit if it doesn't align with my rose tinted glasses

>>716137943
Yes, BF2 doesn't have BF5 attrition, thank you for proving my point.
But you know what's the difference between both games? One has defined gadgets that couldn't be unequipped which naturally forced teamwork while the other game fails to do so by placing resupply stations on the map so there was no teamplay.
You only ran out of ammo that quick if you kept spamming R for every kill, you spawn with enough magazines unlike in BF5's early version of attrition, enemies dropping ammo also negate the need to rely on other players to resupply.
Squad leader spawning has nothing to which attrition whatsoever.

>>716131586
>noooo ita my hyper meta peak spot i played 2000 hours to learn these on every map you cant!!! You cant just blow it up nooooo.
I love how it makes these people seethe.

>>716127978
The only remotely decent map in that lineup is spearhead and that's only if the enemy team doesn't decide to be faggots with spawn beacons on the rooftops
Everything else is irredeemable garbage

>>716119117 (OP)
>boots on the ground movement coming back instead of twitch shooter shit

Sounds based to me

>>716137751
i think i only used default gear, never cared what weapons i used

>>716138332
>If I post faulty data again then people will think I'm right

so when does this piece of shit come out? I'm guessing November since EA is dumb enough to try and compete with CoD.

Why would anyone play BF6 when Delta Force and Warzone are free ?
EA must be infested with DEI at the upper levels because they cant realize:
1.They exorcised the player base with 2042, only zoom zooms who barely touched a battlefield liked it
2.A campaign outsourced to a small studio that went in flames during their layoffs, given back to DICE who now have to put pieces together in a shortest time.
3.Out in a market saturated with modern FPSes
4.100M players need to save DICE

logic alone would tell them to go back to the WW2 era with something like 1943 or a Bad Company 3 without the COD2019 reskinning

>>716141784
>chinese cod clone with spyware loaded in for your convenience
>BR shit
no thanks

>>716142075
Thats what BF6 is shaping up to be kek

>>716141784
not only that why anyone would want to install origin?

>>716142285

EA should grab two grenades and kill himself like that meme cultist from dead space 3

>>716142604
And to add salt to the injury they went asking if you happen to be a white male while applying for the beta..hope those purple haired enjoy their 4 months of employment.

Zampella is fucked for sure

>>716119117 (OP)
Most of this sounds great. I want to go back to what was basically BF2 / BF3. Slower movement? Class specific weapons? Perfect. I fucking hate the floaty, weightless, ADHD movement that's been in these games since Battlefield "1."

IT'S UP
Reveal trailer July 24h 8am PT
https://youtu.be/pgNCgJG0vnY
https://youtube.com/shorts/XEZp4edpfzM

>>716127978
Redacted and Flashpoint for me. Didn’t play Haven.

>>716145049
>announcement for an announcement
HUGE news

>>716127978
these map names are so ass, what happened to sovl like caspian border, damavand peak, siege of shanghai?

>>716137042
Maybe because those aspects don't exist in BFV you fucking queer.
Battlefield was huge back in the day but EA decided to chase the CoD money instead of continuing to cultivate their own fanbase the way CS and CoD did. And now it's fucking dead.
CoD is teetering itself having followed exactly what BF did but with Fortnite instead, but it can still save itself.

Also you can take those accusations of old BF being "unfun" and shove them through your sphincter back where they belong. You never played any of them.

if there's one thing I learned form doom dark ages it is that having all of the options for everything ever (YOU DESIGN YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE) is a bad idea. I feel this mindset can be extended to something like this as well. You should have a clear concise vision of what you want the player experience to be, and then make that game.

>>716123073
The purpose of restricted movement is to encourage teamwork. Without it, it just turns into battlebit and becomes dead

>>716131586
>because it goes against level design joining bc2 match midway through and seeing the whole map leveled with zero cover sucked ass. play the finals if you want that shit
For conquest, yes. For rush, no because you're experiencing a new portion of a non-destructive map.

Conquest is shit anyway, Takes way too long and is casual as fuck.

>>716147719
The problem is that gamers bitch if you don't give them those choices.. Now they bitch if they're given a choice lmao

>>716139036
>so there was no teamplay.
Because people don't want teamplay if you are forced to rely on blueberries to heal yourself. Simple as. None of the other BF games forces you to rely on medic to reach 100 hp. BFV failed conceptually because BF is literally big map CoD now. Not a tactical semi milisim game. CoD also tried removing regenerating health with BO4 but unlike BF they gave everyone like 10+ stims.

>>716141784
>Why would anyone play BF6 when Delta Force and Warzone are free ?
Because Delta Force is an awful game with SBMM that puts you in 5v5 matches as if I'm playing CS GO. Same is also true for Warzone. BF will succeed if it's ''big map COD with no SBMM''. BF6 also has a free BR component so third worlders like you can enjoy it too.

>>716147674
>Battlefield was huge back in the day
Those people decided to move on to dedicated milisims such as Squad, Project Reality etc. 2142 sold 200K copies total. Why would they want to continue making games in old way?

>>716149040
Who said anything about people wanting teamplay or not? The point was that BFV's attrition does not force teamplay because it does the completely opposite of what BF2 did right in that regard by spreading supply stations on the map which meant that people could heal & restock by themselves rather than relying on teammates, on top of the fact that the gadgets are not restricted & limited enough.

>>716149817
>The point was that BFV's attrition does not force teamplay because it does the completely opposite of what BF2 did right
BFV would be gigadead if they didn't put those resupply stations, random medic near can't even be bothered to press 3 to send me a med pouch. Why do you think it would be even better if people only had to rely on medic?

>>716119117 (OP)
>Give people a choice so you can play however you want
>Retards on /v/ still cry about being able to have class locked weapons anyway even though you can still opt into it.

>>716135980
And it was just as retarded then and should have been removed sooner. Go play fucking quake or Titanfall if you want movement tech in a shooter.

>>716119419
its been confirmed multiple times that EA/DICE ignored all the feedback they were given for 2042.

>>716137421
U forgot flashpoint. It was good too. Reminds me of firestorm.

>>716150742
Flashpoint is good in Rush/BT but it's the worst map you can play on CQ. I would rather play Hourglass than Flashpoint and I'm serious.

>>716150426
Titanfall 3 isn't happening so I will play schmoovement shooter 2025 instead. Sorry not sorry unc.

>>716127978
they were all big and empty
I guess Stranded was okay

>>716150112
I'm not suggesting that BFV should have removed it or not I'm only stating the reality of that game's attempt to force teamwork. BFV's Medic encourages selfish behavior with the ability to self heal via the small poach and ignore teammates, whereas in BF2 Medics had to throw a medkit if they wanted to heal themselves quickly in which not only they're healing themselves but they're also passively healing nearby players, you could throw up to a maximum of 5 medkits on the ground which isn't possible in BFV.

>>716125301
BF3 was pretty bad in many other ways

easily the worst designed bunch of maps, full of either chokepoints and spaces that are too open simultaneously.
supression is one of the worst or at least worst implemented mechanics of any game ever

>>716151816
>easily the worst designed bunch of maps
BF3 has some of the best maps in the series.

>>716119117 (OP)
wake me up when medic is actually a medic
>bro what if we just made assault but 100 times better because they can resupply themselves
why even make a medic class lol
i just want to play BF2 again, every other battlefield fucks up the mechanics one way or another

I remember zapping people and running them over with drones in bf3 so I expect to be able to drop grenades from the skybox in this one while sitting in a corner afk

>>716149374
They moved on because Battlefield changed in the first place. 2142 was a good game, but it was also a somewhat experimental spinoff and a lot of people didn't like the move from historical or modern real life inspired conflict to crazy sci fi with hover tanks and mechs.
Battlefield 2 had a big audience until it split with BFBC2 and then BF3.

You can't blame the player base when the game itself changed so drastically. Maybe if they'd kept making BF games instead of console slop the series wouldn't be abhorrent horse shit today.

>>716150910
>>716150426
go play the Finals or Mechabreak instead

>>716149374
Why would they continue to make games that aren't Battlefield? Why would they not start a new franchise with a different name if they were gonna change it so much? Why not name it something different so Battlefield players don't mistake it for something they actually like?
The answer is BRAND MONEY, they could make an actual sequel but they don't want previous numbers, they want MORE NUMBERS, so they must be more like CoD or whatever FOTM thing is in, so they can be 2 years late to the party.

>>716151816
>easily the worst designed bunch of maps
Retarded nigger

>>716119117 (OP)
>Slower movement, community whined so much about movement speed and movement abilities basically only aggressive movement ability you have is backproning to trick your enemy into thinking you are dead
>Jumpshotting has been butchered
>Added shit ton of real recoil but mostly to ARs
>Removed stims from assault
>Added XM25 airburst ... to support
>Now they are asking for people's opinions on class locked system
There's nothing wrong with these.

>Running speed is so slow it's almost the same speed as walking now
None of the footage I've seen corroborates this.

>Added shit ton of visual recoil compared to early tests
>Added ... mortar to support
Questionable but could be fine.

>carbines are just better ARs at this point
>Still no proper spread
>they are copying BF4 system
The only bad things in your list.

>>716151929
>>716153358
dopamine addicted zoomers who lack eyes or any senses, really.

you can tell this easily by playing BF4 and noticing how everything goes to annoying shit every time a BF3 map comes into thr rotation.

>>716155313
so you haven't even played 3?
also
>change maps beyond recognition
>it turns to shit
WOW. Who could have foreseen that adding a gigantic fucking wall towards the US side would completely fuck over how it plays

>>716119117 (OP)
They should add killstreaks and Nicki Minaj.

>>716156427

>boometrannies still seething at bfbc2
lmao get a grip uncs

>>716119117 (OP)
The problem with playtests is that if one style gets approved and it was liked by 51% of the player base. Then you just created a wedge between the 51% that liked the mechanic and the 49% that didn't like it. You risk keeping that 49% out of the game in the future because they know that you chose the 51%. This is a problem unique to playtesting because that 49% wouldn't even know that they would like that style if you never showed both options to them.

>>716158382
You worked on games before

>>716159120
as a play tester

>>716152831
>Why not name it something different so Battlefield players don't mistake it for something they actually like?
BF hasn't been similar to BF2 since 2006. Almost 20 years. You don't see COD players asking Activision to go back to CoD1,2,3. They are actually asking for them to go back to Blops, Blops 2, MW2 etc. BF fanbase is weird.

>>716119117 (OP)
these fuckers need to make Mirrors Edge 3