Thread 716122009

I was thinking either this or elden ring. I tried DS1 but the combat felt very clunky, and DS2 is apparently bad.

>>716122009 (OP)
>Which [game] should I start with?
Release order. Always.

If you didn't like 1 you wont like 2, or Demon Souls.
Dark Souls 3 is basically the entry game into the series for people who enjoy fun. Play Elden Ring afterwards. ER is the natural evolving point from 3. (Bosses are harder, more weapons, bigger map) Although I prefer 3 hard over it.

Sekiro takes a very specific type of gamer to enjoy it. Its certainly the odd one out of the group.

>>716122162
I don't have a PS3 to play demon souls. And the emulator one looks bad.

>>716122213
>And the emulator one looks bad.
No? It works perfectly.
Anyway, DeS is technically not part of DaS series. But you still could start with that, if you so wish.

ds3 is functionally just modern ds1
it has the exact same themes

Literally play them as they came out

DeS (not remake, emulator works fine)
DaS 1 (PTD edition, not remaster)
DaS 2 (SotfS is not preferred but it includes the DLC, which are good)
DaS3
BB
Sekiro
Elden Ring

>>716122162
This shit doesnt apply here(except for dark souls cause numbered titels).
That being said.
If DS1 isnt for you then rather go elden ring since DS3 wants you to know the first game at least.

>>716122009 (OP)
Fuck, DS1 is the best entry to series personally.
Next would be DS3 then, but Elden Ring has often been the starting point for recent fromsoftware fans

>>716122009 (OP)
Try DS2. Its combat is different, more streamlined despite some arguably dumb decisions. Or better yet, play Elden Ring, then consume soulslop if you want seconds.

>>716122009 (OP)
>and DS2 is apparently bad.
More exactly: too ambitious, and got punished *hard* for it when they had to rush everything to keep the deadline AND got told it had to run on a lower console generation than anticipated.
It's still good, just missing at least a year in the oven.

>>716122009 (OP)
DS1, not the remaster it look like shit.

>>716124193
It's not "too ambitious". DS2 feels like a game made to be a Dark Souls game, when originally it was something else.

Not op but why not remaster? Just cause of the slight graphics change? Isnt PTDE locked at 30fps and harder to get

DaS2 is the only souls game you should be playing

>>716123284
It matters especially in Souls. These games more than most other rely on the surprise factor. If you start with Elden Ring and then play DS1 then you will think DS1 is trash.

>>716124276
>slight graphics change
Replacing the iconic bonfire visual effect with a shitty generic Unity's Asset Store fire is a crime that should be punished by whatever gruesomest shit mexican cartels can do.

>>716122009 (OP)
>I tried DS1 but the combat felt very clunky
You've gotta be joking.

>>716124391
No really, and I was using a controller too. Combat wasn't quite smooth

>>716122009 (OP)
demons souls
dark souls
bloodborne
sekiro

that's the complete list. There are no other games

>>716122251
The emulator is exactly the ps3 game's visuals in higher resolution with 60 fps. What do you mean it looks bad?

If you don't like souls combat, none of the games will have any appeal to you, Op. You should play sekiro precisely because it's not a souls but a proper action game.

clunkyscrubs should leave this hobby IMHO

>>716122009 (OP)
DS1
>b-but it's clunky
Cope

>>716122196
The fromsoft pipeline goes from more level, less boss to less level, more boss and it goes linear from Demon's Souls all the way to Elden Ring. Their releases also got worse as time went on in things such as charm, mysticism, world building, lore and in turn they injected more combat into the design.

In Ds1 you can roll about three times with your spawn endurance and enemies have about 3 hit combos. In Elden Ring you can roll 3x the amount so the boss combos are 3x as long. In my opinion this just makes the game more about learning when to press your iframe button, which just goes to show that the combat system of fromsoft's soulslikes is rather shallow when taken to the extreme. Their older games have "worse" combat but also rely way less on it, allowing the game to shine in the other aspects which I mentioned earlier. That being said, even the later releases that I personally dislike are top tier when compared to the rest of the gaming industry.

Also Bloodborne and Sekiro get a pass because they actually did something other than regurtitating the same old shit since 2009.

>>716122196
>Sekiro takes a very specific type of gamer to enjoy it.
it's just little more action and less rpg... very specific my ass...

>>716122009 (OP)
Start with the first one
>oh but the clunkiness, can't stand the clunkiness fr fr no cap
Then don't play any of them

>>716124276
It's just autists sperging out over a fire effect. Remaster is better in pretty much every way

>>716129180
lighting in ds1 remastered looks fucked up Mr. Can't buy PTDE so it's bad

>>716122009 (OP)
If you didn't like ds1 then you won't like ds2 since that game is just ds1 cranked all the way up to 11.
No shame in starting with ds3 it's most people's first souls game.

>>716129292
Case in point

>>716128709
This, souls games are janky, clunky trash, and people should just save themselvs the trouble of playing them at all.

>>716129738
Ah thanks

>>716122009 (OP)
DS3 is gonna teach you bad habits and fundamentals if you go back to earlier games.

>>716128709
>oh but the clunkiness, can't stand the clunkiness fr fr no cap
I say this

>>716122009 (OP)
DeS>DS1>DS2>DS3>BB(If you can afford ir)>Sekiro>Elden Ring
DS1 isn't that clunky, avoid the trap of using lock on, you have omni directional rolling in free camera, if you want jank DS2 has plenty

>>716124324
>>716122162
FPBP

>>716134191
Not an issue if you don't use lock on
>>716134283
Silver/Dark knights do have some backstab windows that you have to get used to, however the spear and shield fucks in particular are very bad
>>716134368
>Stop and move to the side of the ledge with a hole while slow walking
That is completely on you
>>716134473
Fair, blightown has some awfull platforming
>>716134591
Nobody ever said the enemy AI is good in these games

>>716122196
>Sekiro takes a very specific type of gamer to enjoy it.
Skilled gamers only

>>716122009 (OP)
all fromsoft games should be played chronologically, just start from whichever is the least clunkiest for you. reason being theyre all mechanical sequels to each other, building on top of existing things

>>716134931
>if you just do this and that and not this and no the game is clunky than it's totally fine
and also
>it's ds2's fault when i mash r1, run out of stamina, and get cornered by muh enemy placement when i cant iframe through the fog walls!
Most fraud fanbase.

DS3 is the best choice for casuals and gen alpha, even though obviously it’s nowhere near as good as DS1

>>716122009 (OP)
DS1 is the best one

>>716122009 (OP)
>>716122213
You have to be 18 and speak English to post here

>>716134931
Stop coping. I like DS1 but this is pathetic.

>>716135221
>Dont lock on in DS1
>Can actually roll where you want
It's that shrimple, i only ever felt compelled to lock on for Artorias and NPCs, everything else is perfectly doable free camera, true for DS2 as well unless you're a magic build
>>716135359
>AI has a leash range
Good, some of the worst runbacks in DS2 in particular are because of the AI chasing you to the ends of the earth upon aggro

>>716135903
There's a million situations where you'd wanna be locked on and still actually roll good at the same time. Or sprint which you cant do in ds1 either.
>Good, some of the worst runbacks in DS2 in particular are because of the AI chasing you to the ends of the earth upon aggro
>"it's your fault for locking on and stepping off the slippery ledge..b-but it's ds2's fault i decided to run past the enemies and they do exactly what enemies are supposed to do!
You cant make this up

>>716122009 (OP)
>I tried DS1 but the combat felt very clunky
Playing DS1 for the very first time without using a guide is a once in a lifetime experience, dropping the game because of the combat, which is literally exactly the same as elden ring but slower, is a pretty retarded decision
>and DS2 is apparently bad.
For your own opinion loser

>>716122213
>I don't have a PS3 to play demon souls.
lol
>And the emulator one looks bad.
lol

>>716122009 (OP)
DS3 is a great place to start.

>>716136314
Nigger i can only kill chaplains, Alone knights or those fucking Horses so many times before i start losing my mind, every other game understands that if you're at the boss door, slowing you down further with borderline mandatory mooks is completely pointless frustration

>>716122009 (OP)
Dark Souls 1 is the best one; but you should probably play Bloodborne instead.

>>716122009 (OP)
you can skip elden ring its a bad game

>>716137164
you're just casual and soft.

>>716124290
>the soulless chink knock off tier game thats been thru development hell and banks on the rehash edition that rereleased the same product which is still atrocious and as a result had all its lore ignored in the sequel is the best actually

>>716137164
yeah, every other souls game is for babys

>>716137046
>Only undead settlement and the Grand archivves are levels you spend time exploring
>First half bosses are all gimmicks
>Rolls are free and spammable even on SL1
>From pontiff onward get hit with the full extent of the consequences of free rolls
>Plays more like a boss rush than something like DS1 or even 2
DS3 as a starting point is 2nd worst only to Elden ring being your starting point

>completely pointless frustration that a level has enemies and they do things enemies are supposed to do and you cant cheese the whole design with your invincibility
best dark souls player in the world btw

>>716122009 (OP)
You have to go back

>>716137720
Why do you think i mentioned the specific enemies i did retard? Because the runbacks attached to those in particular are terrible, some eceleb not clearing tower of Heyde first try is a major skill issue on their part

ds 1 remastered
demon souls remake on ps5
ds3
elden ring
nightreign if you like coop

sekiro not worth it too hard

>>716138118
>Rythm is too hard
Saar...

>>716122009 (OP)
DS1 is the worst and most jank, start with it or you will get fed up with it if you play it after later games.
Unless you are one of those exploration trannies that play souls for the "exploration" instead of the combat, that is. Barring any random walking sim, DS1 is the "best" of the three in that regard. Don't forget to soipog whenever you find a shorcut lol

>>716138261
Post your Epic Elden ring gamer webms

>>716138084
their "terrible" because the enemies got you. lol

I am a souls-likes beginner myself, will begin with Dark Souls 3, it costs like 20 bucks on key sites. I'm afraid 1 will feel clunky and 2 is inherently bad so there's that.

>>716139019
these are the people who claim 3 is the best in the trilogy lol

>>716139108
I'm a fan of qol and shit like that, i think 3 is a safe bet for someone who enjoys modern games (not AAA slop tho)

DS2 is the peal of the franchise, it's actually difficult but /v/jeet posers will call it bad

>>716139181
>qol
3 has a fundamentally different combat than 1 and 2, same with world design

>>716138446
Look, if I said that the best part of Elden Ring is the platforming you would think
>what the fuck is this retard saying?
While technically true (barring Sekiro), it is such a minor component of the game that being an autist about "how good it is" is pretty retarded. Same thing with souls "exploration". Normal people go for like 2 seconds "ok, neat" when finding a shortcut in DS1 and that is completely absent in later games, but exploration autists base their entire personality around that shit.

>>716138084
>some eceleb not clearing tower of Heyde first try
That streamer (who is also an actual game dev) has like 10,000 hours in souls games and does those ridiculous challenges like “SL1 no armor unupgraded ladle only all bosses”, he’s done it so many times he got sloppy and wasn’t paying full attention. He’s not even mad he died at the fog gate because that happens speedrunning DaS2 all the time.

>>716139243
>Fundamentally different
How so? You still roll for i-franes, you can still parry, in some cases you can still just move/sprint to avoid attacks, the game got faster but outside of that it's not fundamentally different

>>716139181
There are no QoL changes in DaS3, it’s the same thing but with completely different combat and horrible level design.

>>716139480
Speeding up combat that was previously about trading blows is fundamentally changing it, as is every boss being bloodborne-esque spazzout which contributed heavily to the birth of the term rollslop

>>716139243
My guess is that it might be more accessible because it was released in 2016 when almost every game got dumbed down(a bit at least)

>>716122009 (OP)
>muh clunkyness
Holy shit what a zoomer retard.
Play 1.
DS1 is the truest Dark Souls and also the best by a wide margin.
DS2 is a cheap knockoff and DS3 a BB reject.
DS1>BB>Elden Ring/Sekiro
Those are the main games and you should play them in that order.

>>716139670
You just trade blows faster, how is Champion gundyr, Gael or Dragon slayer armor different from Artorias or Manus outside of them and the player character being all around faster? the inputs are the exact same, i can go from 1 to 3 and feel right at home once i get used to the faster tempo

ds1 or DeS

>>716139480
Poise is massively different, and that change a lot of the game.
Imo it's the best version of Poise in any souls game, but having it require actual skill to use made too much of the playerbase complain about Poise being bugged so they didn't re-use that system afterward.

>>716143954
Not my fault boomers couldn't make games that ran buttery smooth

>>716122009 (OP)
all souls games are clunky including Elden Ring

Og demons souls > ds1 > bb > ds3 > sekiro > ER and skip ds2

>>716144078
yeah not your fault you were born a troglodyte that can't play games with slightly out of the norm controls either

Don't listen to anyone ITT, start with ds3 and then elden ring

>>716122009 (OP)
Dark Souls 1 is Fromsoft's Ocarina of Time, and you are doing yourself a disservice as a gamer not playing it

>>716145172
Controls are fine, it's the gameplay where the clunkiness kicks in

>>716145637
elaborate

>>716145825
Movements are stiff, hitboxes are weird

>>716122009 (OP)
> I tried DS1 but the combat felt very clunky,
The combat is deliberate, you might not feel comfortable with it at first but its not "clunky"

if you cant enjoy dark souls 1 you wont enjoy souls at all. Its probably the easiest souls to get into. demons souls has easier bosses, harder levels, and less movesets for the player. dark souls 2 is for the actual souls fans and not the bandwaggoners who cheesed through 1. dark souls 3 is a caricature of what souls haters say is rollslop. Elden ring is peak if you like open worlds and already like the combat of souls, if you dont like open world and just see the combat as a means to an end you wont like it.

>>716145908
you can get used to the movement and hitboxes are weird in all the souls games

>>716146170
Maybe, I'll try it some day

>>716146124
elden ring is much easier to get into than das

>>716137164
only the frigid outskirts and the red smelter demon runbacks are bullshit
but do note this is the one game where enemies eventually stop respawning

>>716146124
>if you cant enjoy dark souls 1 you wont enjoy souls at all. Its probably the easiest souls to get into
you overestimate dumb zoomers that can only tolerate playing full-on rollslop

>>716122196
>Sekiro takes a very specific type of gamer to enjoy it.
it won game of the year. normies love sekiro

>ds1 combat felt very clunky
you need to be 18 years old or older to view this site

>>716147949
goty doesn't mean shit retard

>>716149701
sekiro winning goty means it literally doesnt take a very specific type of gamer to enjoy because it had enough mass appeal to be selected as goty
are you brown

>>716149845
sekiro winning goty doesnt mean shit when every game released that year was average
the same applies to the last 15 years
goty doesn't mean shit when the competition is shit

Demon souls is a bit clunky no jumping attack makes it feel really dated.
DS1 has the best map the way it’s all interconnected is a masterpiece I would play it just so you can appreciate the level design.
DS2 has fun character building
DS3 is noob friendly I think you could start here this is my least played souls game because they made it so hard for invaders, which is my favorite thing to do in these games I only remember 2 or 3 bosses.
ER its huge so I would start with 3 before so you could get a feel for what play styles you like to avoid wanting to make a new character half way through.
BB I have fond memories of this one. PvP was really good. Some of the bosses are really hard like the abhorrent beast in that tiny room. I wouldn’t start here but it’s worth playing
Skeiro my favorite one but it’s very different from the other souls games. Beating the owl father is probably my favorite pve souls moment
Nightreign for after you’ve played ER and want to do more bosses

>>716150094
a simple 'yes' would've sufficed

>>716150196
>moving the goalpost like always

>>716150297
i dont think you understand what that means, projection-kun

>>716124251
>DS2 feels like a game made to be a Dark Souls game, when originally it was something else.
What does that even mean? The only reference point at the time was the first Dark Souls, and sequels always change how things work.

>>716122009 (OP)
Demons Souls (original) then everything in order from there. So DaS1 after that. Every single one of them is excellent, don't skip any. If you don't have access to the original DeS then just start with DaS1.

>>716149558
I'm 21

>>716152743
>wasn't even alive when hl2 came out
grim

>>716152867
>wouldn't be alive when call of duty 48 comes out
poor you

>>716153025
>playing call of duty
21 and mentally 5 then

ds1 combat sucks ass and every game after is an improvement
oh wow a big interconnected world, oh wow look the key unlocks the door! wow!
who gives 2 shits when the actual gameplay is dogshit
boomers are so fucking stupid and only enjoy ds1 because they have massive lead-laced 300ms brainlag

>MUH SLOW AND DELIBRATE COMBAT
nah bro you just have awful reaction time

>>716128709
This. Dont be a secondary and play them all

>>716122009 (OP)
yes, start with ds3 and then branch out from there
ignore the fags in this thread saying "release order" because des and ds1 are hard to appreciate as a newcomer to the series
if you end up liking ds3 (the easiest of the games because of r1 rollspam) branch out from there according to taste

>>716153712
>it's a viral marketer showing a carefully coreographed and painstakingly rehearsed Elden Ring fight that is nothing like the actual game, episode 454857.

>>716122196
This. DS3 streamlined the series into a linear action game so it can get mass appeal.

>>716128709
there's a difference between clunkyness and horrid gameplay
>>716154094
here's some purposeful slow and heckin meaningful ds1 "combat" if thats more your taste, it must be hard to enjoy real-time video games with that brainlag, have you considered turn-based combat?

demon's souls was such a great game! shame about the rest of the series.

>>716154094
>I am bad at these games therefore someone playing them well is a psyop!
Meds.

>>716154253
>>716153712
>Seething autist still spamming anti-DS1 webms every thread
>still mad it's considered Fromsofts GOAT
>still misses the point entirely by considering these games as action games
>They are all terrible compared to real action games
Embarassing.

>>716153712
>WOOOAHH ALL DA GLOWIES AND DA PARTICLES WAAAAAW
Cringe

>>716154635
>LE MAGIC BAD
heres some sword/board since you're too retarded too appreciate mixed ranged/melee combat

>>716154530
>doesnt list a single "action" game because if he does he knows his opinion is shit and will be laughed out of the thread
grim

>>716122009 (OP)
>I tried DS1 but the combat felt very clunky, and DS2 is apparently bad.
yeah start with 3, 2 isn't "bad" but if you dont like ds1 dont bother with ds2

>>716122196
Lies. Dark Souls 1 is dogshit and I'm sick of the R*ddit boys who praise it. DS1 is an unfinished clunky mess and Demon's Souls is 100x better. Dark Souls 1 is pure dogshit, I hate it so god damn much. It makes my blood boil. DS2 and DS3 are masterpieces.

>>716122009 (OP)
Start with DS1. Endure the "clunkyness" (maybe you need to play with a controller)

>>716156057
Fuck DS1, OP needs to start with Demon's Souls.

>>716122009 (OP)
>I tried DS1 but the combat felt very clunky
Nigger play it and get used to it
You think the gameplay felt normal for us when we first played it when there was nothing else like it (besides demons)?
No we kept playing it and grew accustomed to it, you fucking zoomers are unbearable

>>716156004
>I'm sick of the R*ddit boys who praise it
If you go on reddit you'd realize you're the one actually spouting the reddit takes

>>716122009 (OP)
Doing yourself a disservice if you skip DS1.

>>716122009 (OP)
I can see how you'd think DS1 is slow but all of the enemies are slow as well. You're still faster than them so I don't see how it's a problem

>>716122009 (OP)
DaS2 is the best actually
But DaS1 is a classic. 3 is a beat em up.

>>716122009 (OP)
DS2 is the peak of the trilogy actually
It is unique and has the most mechanics of them all and an actual melancholic story, and not some ambiguous (unfinished) backdrop of one.

>>716156257
>this is bad
>"TOUGH JUST PLAY IT ANYWAY!"
>but there are better version now
>"I DONT CARE, YOU'RE OF A DIFFERENT GENERATION THAN ME, PLAY MY OLD GAME!"
no?

>demons ouls(ps3)
>dark souls 1(on ps3 downpatched)
>fart souls 2 og(on ps2)
>elden ring(on switch)
>troonshorne(on xbox)
>Ds3(steam
>sekiro(modded n64)
in no particular order

>>716157367
well he didn't say it was bad. old RE and other horror games were clunky on purpose and if you know how to play DS1 it doesn't feel clunky
also there is no better version of DS1 as they completely changed the formula from then on so you're just wrong

>>716157696
well see ive played all the souls games and ds1/des are the only two i dropped mid way through
not due to a hard boss, area, etc. but just boredom, the gameplay is boring, its slow, it feels like its meant for geriatrics, its the same every fight (circle strafe r1), i feel like a child being asked "THE COW SAYS WHAT?!" when a boss attacks and then i have 5 seconds to respond with "R1! R1!"

i am fully convinced the only reason you and other old people enjoy it is because you actually cannot keep up with the newer titles and were filtered, even if you beat the bosses in the end, you sit on sites like this and complain about "anime combos" even years later and try to tell other anons not to play the new titles because "the forumla changed"

yeah the forumla changed, they changed into real video games

>>716157696
>re were clunky
its so easy to spot underages

Demon's Souls is the peak
>but the bosses try to do something different and have a unique variety of themes instead of a bunch of Artorias/Manus wannabe freaks seeing who can flail, screech, and shit out AOEs the hardest while bland computer-generated fake Latin chanting blares in the background
and this is bad r somethin

>>716158180
>the only reason you and other old people enjoy it is because you actually cannot keep up with the newer titles and were filtered
I'm 23 and I like all the souls games. The appeal of the souls games was never the combat system, you boil DS1 down to circle strafing but ER can also be boiled down to roll spam. The combat like I said was never special, and the new games suffer from it because they put more emphasis on it when it's still barebones compared to other action games like DMC or Bayonetta, while dialing back the elements that made the series interesting in the first place

>>716159145
dialing back on what? more poorly textured and cramped sewer-hallways that lead to, "WOW THE SAME AREA I WAS ALREADY IN!"?

this is my point, you dont give 2 shits about the actual gameplay and just want some weird movie to enjoy the "vibes" in, you dont even like playing the video game

>>716122196
I played Elden Ring, and enjoyed it alot.
I then played DS1 and loved the absolute shit out of it.
Then started DS3, but dropped it a few hours in and instead just finished my new-game-plus run of DS1.
idk, the vibes in DS3 are kinda off. And I also don't know where to go.

Maybe I'll give DS2 another shot (I tried and dropped it a decade ago).

>>716159570
thanks for consneeding

>>716124324
I like DS1 considerably more than Elden Ring and that's with Elden Ring being my first souls like