VTM Bloodlines 2 developer, The Chinese Room, just bought themselves out of their publisher Sumo Digital, and are now going indie.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/the-chinese-room-is-independent-again-heres-how-it-happened

this game is going to be a disaster

Without the other Sumo Digital studios, The Chinese Room is ~50 employees. Their previous games are walking simulator type games - Dear Esther, Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Still Wakes the Deep.
Not sure how many action combat devs and testers they might possibly have on their team.

The recent Bloodlines 2 delay is probably exactly due to this self-buyout. And since they paid this bribe, I'm guessing Chinese Room is all in on this game, and if it fails they might go Black Isle.

Hoping its good (eventually). At any rate, its been interesting watching this development hell rival Duke Nukem Forever.

>>716129008
>Their previous games are walking simulator type games - Dear Esther
How is this not an immediate red flag to everyone

>>716129112
That game was developed 15 years ago, man.
Would you say that Blizzard developing Lost Vikings is a red flag that they can't possibly make a MMORPG like WoW?

>>716129112
>>716129224
Their most recent release it a walking sim/horror game that is 3-4 hours long (if this video title is correct) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrxyDko4ns

Looks and sounds good. No action combat. It released a year ago.

>>716128841 (OP)
So they'll have to close down when VtMB2 doesn't sell well? That's an odd move

>>716129008
>Hoping its good (eventually).
Everything they've shown so far is so bad, and it's only getting worse. How you can fuck up a sequel of one of the most beloved cult classic is beyond me, but then you'd need to understand what made VtMB so beloved to begin with. Or you know, play the damn game. Once. Maybe just a little bit. Maybe just Santa Monica.

The absolute retarded dev history and multiple rewrites didn't help, but unless they literally rewrite the game from scratch (again), what they've shown recently is so insanely bad. You can't apply a bandaid on a forest fire.

VtMB 2 is VtMB in nothing but name. You don't choose your character, 4 playable clans, extremely simplified RPG elements, no guns (lol), no exploration, bad characters, and a quirky Forspoken sidekick.

>>716129008
>The recent Bloodlines 2 delay is probably exactly due to this self-buyout.
No, completely unrelated.
>At any rate, its been interesting watching this development hell rival Duke Nukem Forever.
Very different to DNF. It's more like Doom 2016, where Doom 2016 was made using scrapped assets from Doom 4. The new version of Bloodlines 2 has had fairly straightforward development and a clear vision of what it wants to be.

>>716128841 (OP)
>>716129616
Now that makes me think. I remember the original VTMB devs were kicked or left for some reason by shitty managers and what's not. I'm wondering if managers were from the publishers and not the devs themselves because if that is true then there is a slight hint of hope that they could bring the old devs back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEYGez6JLZ8
here's an older trailer that I recall was made when the devs from original VTMB were also working on the sequel. It had potential if anything else.
I'm speculating that they gained their independence exactly for that reason, to no longer be under those shitty managers influence and convince the OG devs to comeback and help them. If that is true then another question would remain and that is how they would finance it all without the publisher or how they would finance at all, which leads me to another speculation that.
They did not such much bought their freedom but rather were cast out as even the publisher sees the shitstorm incoming and cut the studio same way you would cut out an infected limb before it kills you. And the publisher gave it away rather just kicking them out specifically so they do not gain any more bad reputation for what is about to come.

>>716129714
>you'd need to understand what made VtMB so beloved to begin with.
At its heart, VtMB is a walking sim with the most dogshit gameplay you've ever experienced bolted on top.

>>716129714
>understand what made VtMB so beloved to begin with
The setting (which is the same), the dialogues (character faces, voice acting, writing), and the lack of other games doing the same thing at the time (ooops, BG3 is basically Bloodlines, but with better combat).

>>716130904
>devs from original VTMB were also working on the sequel
The devs in question are one guy and his wife, and they divorced mid development, so... you know. Doubt it.

>>716128841 (OP)
What kind of name is "The Chinese Room"?

>>716128841 (OP)
>The Chinese Room
i just played still wakes the deep and these were the devs for the game.
this character is not only a fem mechanic, but is ugly, has girlboss attitude and never gets killed off until the very last moment. in fact, she commands your ass later when shit goes down.

>>716131208
It's a reference to an AI thought experiment where you have a room where you pass messages in (written in Chinese), and responses come out also written in Chinese. The question is, does the entity inside the box understand Chinese? Do they comprehend Chinese? Are are they using some kind of giant lookup table of responses?

>>716128841 (OP)
I just hope they're not being too optimistic about Bloodlines 2 recouping money.

>>716129714
>Everything they've shown so far is so bad
Everything they've shown so far is way better than the original Bloodlines if we're being pragmatic about the gameplay.

>>716131271
Gay

>>716131327
Is it, though? It's been 20 years since the first game.

>>716131327
>gameplay
Nobody ever played Bloodlines for the gameplay. Nobody cares about the gameplay. They played for the movie references and goth chicks.

>>716131414
>>716131438
Then what is the complaint exactly? The new game has:
>Great atmosphere.
>Extremely good voice acting.
>Great music.
I'm trying to remember what the complaint was.

>>716131327
The only gameplay in the original that's "bad" is the combat, and it's not even that bad there's just not much to it

>>716129714
>no guns (lol)
That isn't correct, though.
>no exploration
It's open world. It's like 20 blocks of city where you can traverse all the rooftops. What are you talking about?
>bad characters
What bad characters?
>a quirky Forspoken sidekick.
What do you mean "quirky"?

>>716131614
He means that he isn't young anymore, and he's a grumpy unc now. Old good, new bad.

>>716131648
post dildo collection because it does seem like y** love getting fucked in the ass

>>716128841 (OP)
I didn't believe it before, but WoD really is a cursed IP.

>>716131271
>The question is, does the entity inside the box understand Chinese?
It's not a question it's a hypothetical demonstrating a fact. The actual hypothetical involves putting a human or a monkey in the box who follows a set of instructions to translate Chinese without actually knowing the language, which is identical to the function of an AI.

>>716128958
It will be beautiful to watch.

>>716131869
It being the dark horse GOTY will be beautiful to watch. It's BG3 all over again.

>>716131869
People who celebrate vidya failure are cancer.
"Ooooh boy I can't wait for a game to be shit, so I can not play it!" - words spoken by mentally ill fags

>>716131994
Giving a cult classic name to a bunch of nobodies with no experience and no vision only to witness them shit the bed is sublime.

>>716129714
I get the impression a lot of people talking about VTMB2 have no real idea which version of the game they're talking about.

>>716132056
VTM is a whored out tabletop setting, not some priceless relic.

>>716131968
>It's BG3 all over again.
There will be dog fucking?

>>716132056
>Giving a cult classic name to a bunch of nobodies with no experience and no vision
But enough about Activision refusing to greenlight Troika's game unless they slapped the VTM license on it.

>>716132083
>not some priceless relic.
Bloodlines is ;)

>>716132062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYbEqr7gQ5g

>>716132083
I guarantee you nobody ITT plays tabletop so who cares. The VIDYA game is legendary, that's all that matters.

>>716130997
>>716131327
Yeah, Bloodlines was awful. Btw we still want to use its name to market this turd.

>>716132218
Bloodlines would barely run on release. Crashes to desktop, corrupt saves, memory leaks, scripts not firing, etc.
It only got good later, and it was only really good because it captured the spirit of the day, the kind of kids we were, the music, the tropes, the aesthetic, all of it. If it was eresed from everyone's memory, and released today as its own game, it would be called utter shit.

>>716132184
So footage from Jan 2024 (when the game didn't have guns in it) mixed with random clips and AI voiceover?

chuds will hate it no matter if it's good or bad because they're utterly mindbroken halfwits

>>716132295
I agree, fellow oldfag! Bloodlines 2 will make it so there's FINALLY a good Bloodlines game!

>>716131213
Oil platform workers are the peasants of modern day. High intensive labor, low skill, no education.

>>716132218
Bloodlines has pretty major design issue as a game. People like it because they like the atmosphere and story.

>>716129008
>DEI in a collage.

>>716132359
>how voting republican will send you to hell
No such statement or joke in game.

>>716132550
>he doesn't know
lol

>>716132359
did people complain much about politics in vtmb2? from what i remember most people are just complaining that it looked bad in general with combat and face animations and wasn't what they wanted regarding atmosphere

>>716129714
I think your information is somewhat outdated. They haven't done a great job of putting all the up-to-date information about the game in a place people can actually find it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2cXtEoGx7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_MkfKk7gFU
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/dev-diary-advanced-combat-and-weapons
I think the Game Informer magazine is dropping in 4 hours. With luck, it'll be accompanied by new marketing materials from Paradox.

>>716128841 (OP)
this game is beyond cursed...it's turning into a Duke Nukem Forever sittuation

even after all these threads it's wild to me that there are unironic vtmb2 shills in existence and they choose to post here of all places

>>716132359
>jaks
This is why letting non-Nosferatu onto the net was a mistake

>>716132359
There's other jokes that for some reason you forgot about...

>>716132607
Retard.
Confessions is not that.

>>716128841 (OP)
I dont know how it happens, but every time i hear about this game it gets worse

>>716130997
>VtMB is a walking sim

>>716129224
>That game was developed 15 years ago, man.
Oh, so they've done something other than walking simulators since then, right?


Right?!

>>716132656
>this game is beyond cursed...it's turning into a Duke Nukem Forever sittuation
I don't get this argument. The game began development in 2021. It is releasing in 2025. There was a previous game with the same name that they pulled assets from, but that game has largely been nuked from orbit. A 4 year dev cycle is not hugely long for a big open world FPS/RPG.

>>716129224
>Would you say that Blizzard developing Lost Vikings is a red flag that they can't possibly make a MMORPG like WoW?
It'd be better if they didn't.

>>716132718
Think about a single good thing in VTMB1 that isn't a walking sim.

>>716132359
I do not remember jokes about George Bush or voting desu

Buying themselves out to fail out the gate? Whose decision is this? They can't possibly have turned it around for this game could they? Did they save enough money to brace for the impact of the games failure?

>>716132894
George Bush joke is related to VV and disrupting the author who his revealing what kindred are.
The other is a joke in Confessions where you are asked to confess.

>>716132672
I was shocked too. I came into this thread and really did not expect so much shilling. I figured maybe it was this games designated schizo, but something feels off here.

>>716132894

>>716132731
I like how people are both angry at TCR for making walking sims and also angry at them for making the combat in Bloodlines 2 too good because they're "turning it into an action game".

>>716132894
It's from when you first meet Venus and she asks you to confess your sins. One of the dialogue options is, "I voted for Bush." Later, the hotel scriptwriter describes his movie about kindred to you, and you can say, "You're making a movie about the Bush administration?!"

>>716132952
maybe if they fixed the women and the dialogue its gonna be good. thats like the only bad thing in woke games now, and since the sumofags will no longer have any association with the project i expect all their ((changes)) to be reversed

>>716133045
No, it is "I voted Republican once." Get your quotes correct.

>>716133002
CARE BEARS JOKE?!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL

>>716132894
>voting
A banter option in Club Confession, plus the radio ads with senators
>George Bush
VV dialogue where she tells you about Hatter's script

>>716133012
>also angry at them for making the combat in Bloodlines 2 too good
I have literally never ONCE seen that complaint ever, mostly because the combat looks like complete shit and everyone has agreed on that, so I would LOVE to see you find examples of anyone saying it "looks too good"

>>716133095
Guess I'm due for another playthrough.

>>716132952
What are you dorks talking about? Sumo Digital is abandoning original game development. It's sink or swim. They go independent or Sumo shuts them down.

>>716133012
>and also angry at them for making the combat in Bloodlines 2 too good because they're "turning it into an action game".
surely you can provide evidence of this happening? i've mostly just seen people complain about janky animations and various gameplay decisions, but not that it's too much action.

you sound like a shill

>>716132969
>>716133002
>>716133045
>>716133110
Oh, I musta missed these, thank you.

>>716133154
>mostly because the combat looks like complete shit
I've never seen a single person say the combat looks bad, and in fact people who got to play it earlier this year said the combat was fantastic. Detractors are upset that the studio is turning the game into Dishonored. Dev diary sorta related.
https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/dev-diary-advanced-combat-and-weapons
It's the Silent Hill 2 remake thing all over again. People being very angry because they think that combat shouldn't be a focus.

Looking good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MzIbWbMFi0

>>716133421
Oh damn, it is a shill, how curious.

>>716133365
...because I never play anything else but Malk!

>>716133439
Anonymous, I...

>>716133478
What did he write wrong?
The combat in Bloodlines 2 does look better than Bloodlines 1.
My complaint is that the new game looks too focused on punching people.

Both correct statements.

>>716132359
>someone spent their time making this pic

>>716133567
>The combat in Bloodlines 2 does look better than Bloodlines 1
"He" (as in, you) also said that people don't like BL2 combat because it looks sooo much better than BL1 combat, when asked to show receipts
>>716133215
he (you) niggered out

>>716133421
>I've never seen a single person say the combat looks bad
Is this a joke? Even the /r/vtmb reddit that's usually a bunch of fanboys were mostly saying that the combat looks bad back when it was revealed.

>>716133567
Apparently you have unlimited telekinesis so you can just throw things at people to your heart's content. I guess those "The Chinese Room started out making Half-Life 2 mods" roots coming through.

Also, Tremere have their blood magic projectiles. In fact, that was one of the first things they revealed about the game.
https://youtu.be/9gyzRvi3NTs?si=CA2EpS7ZnI-JUu1E

>>716133678
"He" (as in, you) isn't me (as in you), you retard.

>>716132687
There's also that mission where, instead of freeing Venus from the mobster who's blackmailing her into being his sex slave, you can instead turn around and kill her for him

>>716133741
>"The Chinese Room started out making Half-Life 2 mods" roots coming through
Except that the entire dev team has been replaced numerous times. Before VtMB2s development started they fired everyone except two people.

>>716132687
I love the cheesy way the PC acts when leaving. "I'm outta here" "I'm gone"
I wish we kept at it.

>>716133678
I saw a bunch of people complaining about the early warehouse demo thing ENTIRELY because it was combat focused. There's nothing actually wrong with the combat in the demo. People were just upset that it was combat. People have flp-flopped between "this is a walking sim" and "this is an action game with no dialogue".

>>716133567
>>716133678
>>716133743
certified malkavian moment

>>716133889
>There's nothing actually wrong with the combat in the demo
It's one-dimensional, the sound design lacks "oomph", there doesn't appear to be any real feedback to anything, animations look janky and not fluid at all, no weapons allowed, no stats, etc. etc.

There's tons of things wrong with the combat. It is very apparent that the studio has absolutely no experience with anything combat-related.

>>716129008
>>716129112
>>716129714
>>716130896
>>716132492
Alright /v/, Roll for your HR-Roastie
Dubs is the only one actually doing work.

>>716133727
>were mostly saying that the combat looks bad
What did they think looked bad about the combat, specifically? It was a giant leap in quality over the previous version.

>>716134071
Misery is me.

>>716134071

>>716133809
Am I a freak for finding her the hottest?

>>716134109
I never understand why they showcase these games with a controller.

>>716133818
>Except that the entire dev team has been replaced numerous times.
Dan Pinchbeck founded The Chinese Room and wrote/directed all their games. His responsibilities on Bloodlines 2 were:
>Pitch creation and creative leadership, concept adaptation to fit publisher and IP requirements, gameplay vision (including mechanics, tone, player experience), Creative Direction (prototype, pre-production & production, until Alpha (spring 2023)), Narrative Direction (including story and character creation, overseeing writing and level design team, establishing narrative architecture, style guides, working with Kate Saxon/SIDE on casting, voice direction and editing), Publisher liaison (specifically IP/Branding teams).
While it has evolved (I think not having guns was his idea, and that has been dropped), the game is still very much his baby.

>>716132359
Damsel isn't taken seriously by anyone, plus a few jokes about the president or Reps is miles away from accepting trannies as normal.

>>716134109
>What did they think looked bad about the combat, specifically?
It was like half a year ago, so I can't remember the exact words of everyone obviously, but the general consensus seemed to be that a lot of people were upset about it becoming more of an action/arcade-like game where the action took the front seat rather than actual RPG. I remember people saying that they thought it looked goofy too.

How is this game still alive?

>>716134357
Paradox sunk cost.

>>716134245
>Dan Pinchbeck
Oh god, it's the fucking Dan Pinchbeck-loving schizo that infests every single thread about this game. What are you doing with your life? You are a literal fucking shill, except you aren't even getting paid for it.

Genuine question, what is wrong with you? Why are you doing this?

>>716134245
How can the game be his baby when they just ported over assets from HSL?

>>716134224
Only a psychotic russian mob boss could find a beatiful woman with big tits attractive

>>716133809
I don't get your argument here.
Are you saying that there's some anti-conservative stuff (mocking Bush) and some pro-conservative stuff (killing people)?

>>716134440
It's kinda surreal how's clearly identifiable, clearly a shill and he never feels the need to make his shilling any more natural

>>716134514
What that retarded shill is leaving out is that Dan Pinchbeck literally fucking left the studio after it got acquired by Sumo Digital. So much for "IT'S HIS BABY!!!!!111".

>>716134047
You do have some points, but some are meh.
>the sound design lacks "oomph"
It was entirely inside a hallucination, to be fair.
>there doesn't appear to be any real feedback to anything,
Because you were fighting hallucinations.
>animations look janky and not fluid at all
That's intentional, and poeple who playtested commented on it.
>no weapons allowed
You can throw things at people. You have Tremere blood magic to fire blood projectiles across the room. You can make people explode.
>no stats
Which is unrelated to the combat and is just people upset that they've ditched the oldschool CRPG design for action RPG design with skill trees and shit.

Again, dude, it's EXACTLY like the seething and crying over this video. Read the awkward comments. People claimed the combat in this trailer looked TERRIBLE, yet the final game is almost identical and is acclaimed. People just gaslit themselves into thinking it looked bad because something, something, Silent Hill 2 shouldn't focus its marketing on combat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayKICAIUHkA

>>716134224
>why do i find an attractive woman with huge honkers hot?

>>716134156
Literally got the call today. Your project looked good, techies liked it, but the position you applied for (and we listed an ad for) isn't currently open, is it okay if I keep your personal data just in case something comes up?

>>716131994
Don't care celebrating failure is fun
but I kind of get how it feels for the fans now though because I liked M3GAN 2.0 and wanted it to succeed, here I am lamenting a flop for a change instead of celebrating it

>>716134716
What did you answer?

>>716134779
Haha yeah okay, call me if something comes up :)


;(

>>716134605
Retard.
The point is that the game isn't making moral judgments about you. You're free to do as you want regardless of what's considered offensive.
In 2 you'll probably be unable to call a tranny a man, let alone side with a rapist like Boris.

These threads are boring, and not even in a fun trainwreck kinda way. Wake me up when the game releases and schizos who think liking this game equals to doing it for free fuck off for good or get bored.

I'm no longer here.

>>716134230
Audiences actually dislike fast mouse movement in trailers, find it disorienting.

>>716134658
>It was entirely inside a hallucination, to be fair.
>Because you were fighting hallucinations.
But it's the same in other combat clips too.
>That's intentional, and poeple who playtested commented on it.
It's """intentional""" because they are studio that doesn't know how to make good combat and animations, so they just resort to a low-effort style. It's really just an excuse.
>You can throw things at people. You have Tremere blood magic to fire blood projectiles across the room. You can make people explode.
Doesn't matter. If it was an actual RPG, you'd be able to use weapons. But it's not an RPG, it's an action game.

>>716134658
Lol
>it's bad on purpose
>yes there are no weapons but...
>yeah there's not RPG elements in this sequel to an RPG
Has any other game had such an embarrassing shilling campaign that makes the game look even worse?

>>716134812
You are the one equating voting for Bush and murdering people, as some sort of moral judgements.
The game mocks conservatives in dialogue jokes, and lets you murder people, and that's not really the entirety of the moral spectrum. If you can't tell the difference, you might be the butt of the joke.

>>716130997
this, ive tried it and its really not that special
not surprised it wasnt a commercial hit

>>716134832
>the shill tugs his tail between his legs and runs away when called out
You are a very sad individual.

>>716134832
>nooooooo
>don't call out my shilling
He'll still be here.

>>716134809
:(

>>716131648
Your shilling angle is weird. You don't address what he says, you basically just say to "get with the times".

Are you conceding that there's nothing good coming out?

>>716134832
Because you're such a faggot and I know you're still here, remember that you can't use the "4 clans is better because they'll be more fleshed out" now that they've confirmed you can do everything with a single clan in one playthrough (:

>>716134936
>You are the one equating voting for Bush and murdering people
Nobody is doing that, retard.
Learn to read.
>The game mocks conservatives in dialogue jokes
The game mocks a lot of people, including crazies and troons.
It's not a judgement of value , nor does it mean it's a greenlight to put whatever 2020s faggotry exists.

>>716134905
Those audiences sound subhuman.

>>716135034
>He'll still be here.
Yeah, I have called out that shill guy multiple times, he always ends up leaving the threads after getting called out, but he ALWAYS comes back to every thread anyway.

>character constantly talks to voice in their head
why tho

>>716134951
nobody ever said vtmb had the best gameplay ever, but calling it a walking sim is dumb

>>716134440
i'm confused, why would you not want to talk about the guy who created the game? imagine trying to talk about judas without talking about ken levine.

>>716132359
VTMB was first and foremost laid back and self-conscious, I doubt any modern developer would be able to recreate the mood of this game. I wish I was wrong, but I'm sure the sequel will be serious, with stern, safe jokes and politics and will probably tackle some philosophical ullshit in the most posed, annoying way. No way in hell, we'll get a level such as snuff porn production house or cementary.

>>716135219
>the guy who created the game?
But it was Brian Mitsoda who came forward and pitched Bloodlines 2.....

>>716135178
>why tho
nu-devs and nu-publishers think it's a great idea because 1) they can guide the player throughout the entire game, 2) they can make sure that there's never a moment where a retarded player gets stuck, 3) they can make sure that there's never a moment of silence which will cause zoomers, people with ADHD, lonely people, etc. to spaz out.

The "there's someone in your head helping you" is essentially just another form of yellow tape/paint, but in a way that it's always with you.

>>716135162
It's his job, he doesn't have a choice.
I'm just surprised how lazy he is.
I mean, look at this shit >>716132652.
Literally
>the new Ad campaign drops in 4 hours so you can watch it.

>>716135178
it's for the people without inner monologues

>>716135219
>i'm confused, why would you not want to talk about the guy who created the game?
First of all, he left the studio in 2023, and he himself says that he has absolutely no idea if the game will utilize his work. For all we know, maybe there's literally 0% of his work in the finished VTMB2 product.

But even in the scenario that his work is still there, then what the fuck is there to talk about? The dude wrote dialogue and some storylines. We literally have no idea what he wrote, we have no idea if it's good or bad. There is literally nothing to talk about of value until we have actually played the game.

>>716134514
>How can the game be his baby when they just ported over assets from HSL?
In his own words "we weren't going to finish someone else's game". He threw out everything Hardsuit had done story-wise. And all the gameplay. He started from scratch.
>>716134649
>What that retarded shill is leaving out is that Dan Pinchbeck literally fucking left the studio after it got acquired by Sumo Digital. So much for "IT'S HIS BABY!!!!!111".
Sumo purchased the studio in 2018 after he (Pinchbeck) laid everyone off in 2017. He left 5 years later, in 2023. During that period he wrote and directed Little Orphus or whatever it was called, as well as Still Wakes the Deep and Bloodlines 2. He was working on both Bloodlines 2 and Still Wakes the Deep at the same time until he left in 2023, and is the primary writer on Still Wakes the Deep.

>>716133439
aged like milk

>>716134910
>It's """intentional""" because they are studio that doesn't know how to make good combat and animations
While that is absolutely true, read the Glass Door reviews, they did a better job than any other VTM game developer, so there's that.

Message to all bloodsuckers

>>716135665
Can you call it starting from scratch when you have all the assets finished for you?

The game was already set for failure when Paradox forced it to be V5.
VtMB is deeply into Revised, making a sequel for it and having it be in such a radically different edition is like a Hollywood sequel made 20 years later. The values, the culture, the actors everything has changed, you can't expect any sort of real continuity from it, even if you're slapping a recognizable name on it.
It's like those awful Halloween sequels with a geriatric Jamie Lee Curtis and godawful lighting.
And that's not even getting into how truly abysmal V5 is by itself.
If Paradox wanted this shit to succeed it should've at least given it a new name and advertised it as a spiritual sequel.

>>716135665
Do you have any actual explanation for WHY he left, if VTMB2 is somehow "his baby"? Or are you just going to regurgitate things back at me, like you are a bot?

>>716135371
Mitsoda's version is gone. This is Pinchbeck's game, for better or worse. People need to understand that. Everything good or bad about this game's broader vision of VTM is because he played tabletop VTM and was like, "Yea, you know what this reminds me of? The Sopranos."

>>716135965
He has a list he needs to go through. Watch this.
Hey shill, tell us how VtMB2 is just like Deus Ex.

>>716135393
>>the new Ad campaign drops in 4 hours so you can watch it.
I don't actually know if there's gonna be any trailers. We could be waiting until Gamescom. I'm HOPING we get some new materials to talk about. I'm concerned that the Game Informer article won't actually have any really new info in it.

>>716136038
>Hey shill, tell us how VtMB2 is just like Deus Ex.
Yeah, I remember him making that point in several threads. It's hilarious how he is so bad at shilling that people recognize him and his shitty talking points.

>>716135567
>But even in the scenario that his work is still there, then what the fuck is there to talk about?
>The dude wrote dialogue and some storylines.
He designed the gameplay. And the core aesthetics. And he chose the composers. The reason the game looks like that and plays like that is because of him. He was far more than the writer. he wrote the design doc, he PITCHED the game to Paradox.

>>716136010
>Everything good or bad about this game's broader vision of VTM is because he played tabletop VTM and was like, "Yea, you know what this reminds me of? The Sopranos."
He can't be this fucking retarded. Even the actual, literal splat about the Mafia that WW published isn't Sopranos, it's a lot more like Goodfellas by way of Anne Rice

>>716136208
>He designed the gameplay. And the core aesthetics. And he chose the composers. The reason the game looks like that and plays like that is because of him. He was far more than the writer. he wrote the design doc, he PITCHED the game to Paradox.
Do you have proof of this? And do you have proof that any of what he did is actually in the current game?

>>716135567
>For all we know, maybe there's literally 0% of his work in the finished VTMB2 product.
Not possible. This trailer was made not that long after he left, and broadly the game still looks like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lKb7X9_T_w

>the main character's name is phyre
>really?
>yes

I can't wait till this shit releases and we can get back to comfy VtMB threads.

>>716134710
>the hottest
They're all hot and busty

>>716136517
Sewers as a Ventrue with little to no bloodbags was absolute hell.

>>716131994
If the game is good, I hope it makes money so the market goes for more good games
If the game is bad, I hope it crashes and burns so the market is less likely to make more terrible games

it's really that simple
And this game looks like a complete disaster in waiting

>>716132113
werebear fucking

>>716135808
Because they're using visual asset and completely ignoring their original purpose. The new story has no similarities to the old one. There are no quests that survived. No characters. She looks the same, but Lou is not the same person. (They even changed her name so she has the name of the real-life person Hardsuit Lou was based on.) They have completely ignored Hardsuit's vision for the game in terms of narrative, themes, characters, gameplay, etc. This is a pretty hard reboot. To the devs, those Hardsuit assets are no different to something they bought off an asset store.

>>716131994
Someone's getting laid off. Again.

>>716129008
Hohoho ac Odyssey

>>716128841 (OP)
>>716132171
i dont like VTMB
it insists upon itself

>>716136780
people posting this meme insist upon their shit taste

>>716136870
i insist upon you sucking my cock

>>716136316
>Not possible
What do you mean "not possible"? The dude himself literally states on his own website "I secured the title for the studio and did all the initial concept, story and direction on it, but it’s been quite a while since I left the studio so it might well have all changed since then."

So if the guy himself say that it's entirely possible that everything has changed, who are you to say that it's not possible?

>>716136683
I WANT RIK SCHAFFER!

>>716136551
As a Tremere too.
You get super reliant on blood theft and blood strike but all the fleshcrafted abominations have toxic blood.
It's funny. One of the reason killing LaCroix is so much easier is that he threw so many humans at you to serve as bloodbags. The Sabbat raid and sewers are exponentially harder because all you fight is vampires you can't drink from (diablerie is bad).

>>716135965
>Do you have any actual explanation for WHY he left, if VTMB2 is somehow "his baby"?
Because he designed all the gameplay. And all the characters. And wrote all the style guides. And controlled every aspect of the game up until the point the 2023 "Midnight" trailer was created. The character "Phyre" is his creation, and he's very proud of her. It's very similar to how Perfect Dark is Martin Hollis's baby. Hollis left the studio in 1998, and the game released in 2000. But he laid all the groundwork for the game, wrote the design doc, led the team, created Joanna, all that stuff. He left due to creative/financial disagreements with the studio owners. But it was his game, really. And his vision of FPS design is present even though he left (and all the lead devs quit shortly after to go form Free Radical, causing the PD team to have to completely restructure.) The only reason the project exists in the form it does is because he sat down and wrote a big document outlining the gameplay, the story, the atmosphere, the characters, all of it. The people running the studio are working to bring that vision to fruition.

>>716135965
>Do you have any actual explanation for WHY he left, if VTMB2 is somehow "his baby"?
Because he got tired of running a game developer and wanted to fuck off. Same reason a lot of people like him quit. The chick who WROTE this game has quit game development to go work on her novels.

>>716128841 (OP)
I thought paradox was publishing ?

>>716136957
>The Sabbat raid and sewers are exponentially harder because all you fight is vampires you can't drink from (diablerie is bad).
during the sabbat raid you can feed on the ones wearing hoodies. they're just ghouls, not vampires, so there's no issue feeding on them. and there's quite a lot of them throughout.

>>716137039
Stop giving me ChatGPT answers, you loser. Why did Dan Pinchbeck leave, if VTMB2 is "his baby"?

>>716137039
Perfect Dark is an original property with its own setting.
VtMB2 is a sequel from a setting that already excited before the first game.
Not comparable at all.

>>716137157
Paradox hired Sumo who outsourced to their vassal Chinese Room to make the game. Paradox is publishing.
Now Chinese Room is going independent, but they still have to make the game.

>>716136295
>Do you have proof of this?
He says on on his blog.
https://www.danpinchbeck.co.uk/vampire
Shortly after he left the studio they re-revealed the game with this trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lKb7X9_T_w
He left the studio in July. That trailer came out two months later.

>>716136551
Personally I didn't find it nearly as bad as people always said. Magnum made it a cake walk.

>>716129008
Amnesia AMFP is one of the very few video games with actual writing, thoughevermaybeit.

>>716137174
I know, there's also some blood dolls around. It's just that it had less humans than the Venture tower.
I do wonder if LaCroix mass embraced all of those Ventrue we kill. Otherwise you just single handedly genocided the entire Ventrue population of the West Coast.

>>716137376
>He says on on his blog.
He literally says "but it’s been quite a while since I left the studio so it might well have all changed since then." on his website. The guy himself whose word you are treating as gospel, says that he doesn't know.

So explain how you somehow know more than the guy himself. And provide proof for it, like I asked.

>>716128841 (OP)
lol

>>716130997
Its like a supernatural deus ex with better graphics (and i like that)

VtMB was peak urban fantasy. Unfortunately the source material itself was taken over by some of the gayest retards you could find, and looking at how completely fucked the development of VtMB2 has been it's not looking good for managing to recreate that kino.

>>716136928
Because we have the trailer from just after he left, and we have modern footage from a few months ago, and it's all still there. The part that likely changed more than anything else was the story. It's clear the story has undergone rewrites. We don't know how major. The game design seems to have changed way less. When he wrote that blog post we didn't have all these publicly released materials that show a game largely the same as its late 2023 version, just more refined.

I feel like this is going to be another success story completely built off the backs of retarded normies loving the shitty modernized gameplay and horribly dumped down RPG elements and story elements. Im so full of cynicism from all the other failures to properly adapt / continue a series and utter rape of amazing franchises that I simply cannot see this going any other way.

>>716137423
Colt Python my beloved

>>716136943
They are using some of Rik's music.

>>716137813
Yeah some. Thing is, I want all of it. I want Rik exclusively.

>>716137746
>The part that likely changed more than anything else was the story.
Isn't that his main contribution? And it's clearly heavily modified.
There's no androgynous obligatory "phyre" anymore, the Johnny Silverhand character got changed, characters reshuffled.
If his biggest contribution has been drastically changed, and he himself says he doesn't know how much they're gonna use of his stuff, why would his name he that relevant?

>>716137746
>Because we have the trailer from just after he left, and we have modern footage from a few months ago, and it's all still there
Can you prove that it's his work? Here's some quotes directly from the man himself:

>"I led the project from inception through until alpha in spring 2023, then handed the narrative reins over to Ian Thomas and the creative leadership to Alex Skidmore. I imagine quite a lot has changed since I left, so I guess I’ll just have to wait and see like the rest of you how it all turns out…."
>"I secured the title for the studio and did all the initial concept, story and direction on it, but it’s been quite a while since I left the studio so it might well have all changed since then."
If he himself doesn't know if his stuff is still in the game, how do YOU somehow know? Can you explain that, and provide proof for your claims?

>>716132642
The first dev team had a litteral fat blue hair chick tell during an interview that the first game was problematic and.VtMB2 would be aimed at modern audience, Malkavian were ableist regarding mental illness representation so wouldn't be included and "triggering segment" of the could be skipped.
That plus the initial gameplay footage were the moment were any hope and optimism died for VTMB2.
Then the writer and composer of the first game were fired.

>>716137180
The official explanation is that Pinchbeck is focusing on writing novels.
https://www.danpinchbeck.co.uk/writer
I personally suspect that he got ousted by the (other) studio leadership or Sumo, and they've kept that quiet to avoid embarrassing anyone. Maybe he bad touched someone, maybe he did something that got him in water. I don't know. But studio heads leaving like this happens for a few reasons, and they range from "make the scandal go away" to "got tired of herding chimps".

>>716128841 (OP)
>you play as an elder who also gets the thin blood "I have every discipline" ability

Still not gonna buy it, thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Playing as an elder vampire going against street thugs is the embodiment of fighting an ant with a nuke.

>>716136870
Based

>>716138234
You're a sheriff now. It's your job to clean up trash for the camarilla.

>>716138172
>I personally suspect that he got ousted by the (other) studio leadership or Sumo, and they've kept that quiet to avoid embarrassing anyone.
This is what I believe too, hence why I keep pressing the shill on why he would randomly decide on his own to leave if VTMB2 truly was "his baby".

Either it was never actually "his baby" and he just left for normal reasons, or it actually was "his baby" but got kicked to the curb.

>>716137946
>Isn't that his main contribution?
No. He didn't actually write the game. That was Sarah Longthorne and two other writers. He came up with the characters and supervised the writing team. This makes it super different to other TCR games where he wrote the whole thing himself.
>There's no androgynous obligatory "phyre" anymore
It doesn't appear Phyre/Nomad's character has changed all that much. You can track the game's development through the dev diaries that span early 2024 to early 2025.

>>716137981
>If he himself doesn't know if his stuff is still in the game, how do YOU somehow know?
I've watched the new trailers, that's how. We know that the "Midnight" trailer is his version of the game because he left in July/August and the trailer came out in September.

>>716138519
>We know that the "Midnight" trailer is his version of the game because he left in July/August and the trailer came out in September.
How do you know? Notice how you literally keep dodging everything and not providing any proof, like I have asked repeatedly.

>>716133583
don't worry they probably made it a commission to some wojak artist who will shit several of these out on request
Yes, this is a real thing
Yes, they really are that lazy
>>716137851
How about Ministry?

>>716138379
You could also read between the lines that maybe he had some strong disagreements about things that needed to change in the game's design. The fact that the game pivoted to having guns after he was gone to me says that he didn't want them, had some vision of the vampire power fantasy that other creatives at the studio disagreed with.

I will point out that Glass Door reviews do seem to indicate that people preferred when Pinchbeck was in charge. Multiple reviews talk about a "culture shift" of some kind at the studio that people don't like.

>>716128841 (OP)
>and are now going under
Fixed

>>716138359
>Being a sheriff you have to clear the streets on your own, and not sending officers to do it
Did western movies rot your brain?

>>716138586
>How do you know?
Because the studio announced he was leaving in July? And his Linkedin says the same? What do you MEAN?

>>716138663
>wojak artist
>a real thing
i refuse to believe

>>716138234
Being able to learn cross-clan disciplines with a penalty has been a thing in VTM for a while.

>>716138663
Considering that an artist posted here a few year ago that we was paid to produce thousand of soijak face for a scat furry and told him to fuck of at some point, I'm would not be surprised

>>716138709
>I will point out that Glass Door reviews do seem to indicate that people preferred when Pinchbeck was in charge
That makes sense. From what I have read and understood, it seemed like Sumo basically just dumped 100 new devs into his studio and was like "figure it out, bud" but then once Sumo/Paradox didn't think that things were going fast enough and/or the "right" direction, they tried to take more and more control.

That's why I genuinely can't understand why the shills in here keep shouting "THE GAME IS THE SAME AS IT WAS UNDER DAN PINCHBECK!" when it clearly isn't. The employees are unhappy with the studio(and likely the game), and Dan Pinchbeck himself says that he has no idea if any of his stuff is even still being used.

>>716138781
That's literally how it works in WoD. Not my call.

>>716137779
Pretty much the only gun I felt like I needed. Didn't invest much into Range once I got it. Ming Xao was pretty annoying though.

>>716138834
>Because the studio announced he was leaving in July? And his Linkedin says the same? What do you MEAN?
You can't just look at his leave date and the trailer release date, and then be like "yup, they couldn't have changed things, so 100% in that trailer must all be his, and 100% of the current game is also still his" when it is VERY likely that he left due to Sumo/Paradox interfering way prior to him leaving.

For all we know, Sumo/Paradox could have requested many changes several months before he left, and thus we can't just take a trailer release date as a "that's surely Dan's stuff" sign. And this is not even getting into how Dan himself saying multiple times that he has no idea if any of his stuff is still being used.

>>716139065
In fairness, there's some semantics here. Games do change during development.
>The employees are unhappy with the studio(and likely the game),
Yes and on. Glass Door is MOSTLY positive. Oddly, no complaints about Paradox. The focus of ire are the people running TCR. I don't think the relationship between Paradox and the devs is bad. Paradox have been seemingly quite supportive of the game's direction. But they do expect results.

>>716139231
I get where you're coming from, anon. And I do think you have a point.

If Pinchbeck was ousted due to creative disagreements there is no way in holy fuck that Paradox were ever gonna let that be public because it would have nuked the game's PR for it to be known as "the director was fired, then the game was cancelled, then another studio took over, and that director was fired, and..."

>>716139286
>Oddly, no complaints about Paradox
>I don't think the relationship between Paradox and the devs is bad
I didn't mean to specifically claim that Paradox are doing bad things, I was just saying that in general it's clear that someone/something is interfering with TCR. It could just be that it's 100% on Sumo, which logically would make sense now that they have split from them.

>>716128841 (OP)
I NEED this girl to peg me right now

>>716139436
Yeah they probably don't want another Mitsoda situation. The moment he left that version of VtmB2 fell apart I recall.

>>716139136
Guns in VtMB were actually pretty fun.
It had that thing that differentiates shooters with RPG elements from RPGs with shooting by having your damage and aim depend on your skill points allocated to ranged. The animations were fun to watch, it had a decent variation of guns to pick from and a clear upgrade linear progression.
The fact that the faggots in charge of the sequel said "vampires don't use guns" show how much they both never played the game and don't understand what VtM is about.

>>716139514
>girl

>>716138908
>with a penalty
What penalty has the game shown?

>>716139682
described in a dev vlog.

>>716128958
>implying the game ever comes out

>>716139782
>in a dev vlog
Ah, well then disregard. I just wasn't paying attention then.

>>716128958
Just like the original (before modders fixed it)

I have only two hopes left for this game

>>716139632
>The fact that the faggots in charge of the sequel said "vampires don't use guns"
I don't even get the logic of that, because they're too modern?
it would be like having a Vampire PC from the Dark Ages refuse to use Steel or Chainmail due it only being invented a thousand+ years in the past

>>716129008
How do we tell them?

>>716139986
Any word on Lilith?

>>716139986
They already nerfed her multiple times. Her boobs keep getting smaller and smaller.

>>716140216
She gets browner and browner too each time I see her.

>>716138908
Since very first edition (pic related).

>>716139682
Out of clan disciplines need you to hunt for people with the right feelings a certain number of times before you can learn them - something lifted from V5. Depending on the systems at work, I think that has potential in video game form.

>>716139632
Melee basically being the default go-to combat mode for fights between vampires -and by extension elders - as been a thing since at least Revised and its introduction of Bashing damage rules.

>>716140313
By the way, I do believe not implementing weapons was a mistahe, but just saying , the melee thing is not exactly gratuitous.

>>716128841 (OP)
This will be shit no m𝔞tter how you twist or turn it. You'll wish th𝔞t this piece of shit will h𝔞ve even 𝔞 little f𝔞rt speck of the previous g𝔞mes, but it won't (yes, previous, me𝔞ning even redemption, it will be even worse th𝔞n redemption which is getting 𝔞 mod m𝔞de by some 𝔞utist). Nothing th𝔞t w𝔞s shown will be good, 𝔞nd your shilling won't ch𝔞nge it. Shit on bloodlines 𝔞ll you w𝔞nt, won't unshit your p𝔞nts, keep pushing your hysteri𝔞.

>>716140313
Does VtMB2 still utilize a blood pool mechanic? I have never seen the dev comment on it, nor have I seen a UI element for it.

>>716134071
rolling for the hagmaxxing milf or the yellow puss

>>716128841 (OP)
Interesting.
I'm actually starting to believe it might be sovlful. The gameplay demos showed very janky, slow Dishonored-esque combat.

But they have a ton of experience doing dialogue/story. Which leads me to believe the game's going to be like original Deus Ex type, EYE type games that's a janky AF but fun game with some serious story behind it.
You'll probably be able to get OP as fuck just for your powers to miss half the time.

>>716132187
I have. The tabletop is actually a ton of fun, it's just white wolf is obsessed with politics so you have to ignore literally half the book

>>716140448
I'll need to look it up, I don't remember the specifics off he top of my head, but I do remember it's not implented as a mana pool of sort.

>>716140313
>Melee basically being the default go-to combat mode for fights between vampires -and by extension elders - as been a thing since at least Revised and its introduction of Bashing damage rules.
Are you retarded? What the fuck does the existence of melee has to do with the game not giving you the option to use guns?
Firearms has been a skill since 1st Edition, moron.
>>716140427
It clearly is, since your justification has nothing to do with anything.

>>716140680
>but I do remember it's not implented as a mana pool of sort.
This is what I greatly feared.

>>716140148
She's in the void with Elif

>>716140148
Most likely just a random human NPC now or something.

>>716128841 (OP)
>The Chinese Room
Have they ever had a hit or are they just worth so little so they can buy themselves for pennies?

>>716132359
>our game has anarchists, communists
That's why it's shit. Because it was designed by communists. Just like how Disco Elysium and Atomic Heart are terrible games, so to is Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines.

>>716140971
They have never had any real blockbuster hits, but they had enough success with games such as Dear Esther, Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, etc. that they were able to be considered successful for a studio with only like 15 people.

Now they are a completely different studio though. New leadership, barely any of the original people there, 100 new employees from Sumo Digital, then just now they bought themselves out from Sumo Digital and 55 employees were fired. No fucking idea what they are worth anymore and how capable they are.

>>716139095
Oh shit i totally forgot they were a thing, man it has been so long.

>>716132187
Been DMing since V1, but I'm under no delusion I'm anything but a minority here.

>>716140695
Quite clearly, you weren't born, your mother took a shit and you fell; and your continued existence in a somewhat capable state is a testament to modern science... so I'll try to explain more slowly, yet without too much hope: you're playing an elder. The go-to combat mode since revised between vampires/elders has generally been melee (because firearms bashing damage, but also celerity being broken, but let's not go there), so the developers going: "we don't want/need guns to underline that you're playing an elder", while, I do personally think, misguided, is actually in accord with tabletop has it has been practiced.
That's it.

>>716140971
A couple of their walking sims have been successful ,and they improve each game but those games are still just walking sims

>>716140971
They bought themselves out with the help of an investment firm. Which could spell trouble down the road.

>>716141697
What sort of trouble do you think?

>>716141697
Literally trading one master for another.

>>716141374
Becoming aggressive when your pathetic shilling is called out only makes your more pitiable.
>The go-to combat mode since revised between vampires/elders has generally been melee
What the fuck are you talking about? Go-to for what? Do you not understand even the TTS you're supposed to pretend you know about?
Elders have used firearms ever since the first splat.
>is actually in accord with tabletop has it has been practiced.
Except it's not, but I can't expect a shill faggot to know that.

Anyway, the Game Informer article drops 12 PM ET. So just over an hour away. I really, really, really, really hope that there's also a new trailer or something. Because interviews and words, words, words are fine, but I want to see in depth gameplay of the game, showing hub exploration, quests, all that shit.

>>716136517
Same

>>716141910
Prediction: it will be another lackluster dev diary with 60 seconds of extremely scripted "gameplay".

>>716128841 (OP)
None of this matters if the atmosphere and writing (and by extention quests and such) is good. The game could play like hot garbage (vampyr or the original vtmb) and would still be good

>>716141374
>Been DMing since V1
Post pics of physical books with timestamp.

>>716141860
>Becoming aggressive
It's always funny how you wastes of carbon can dish out but can't take.
Not too mention can't read, but hey, I did say the hopes were misguided.
Fucking snowflakes.

>>716129008
>The recent Bloodlines 2 delay
Again?

>>716142134
I don't quite agree because VTM Swansong has pretty good atmosphere, a nice soundtrack, interesting enough characters, and a compelling central conspiracy, but the gameplay gets in the way for a huge number of people. One of the things about VTMB1 is that the gameplay isn't good, but you spend most of the game (especially the opening hours) doing things other than having jank-ass combat. You explore and soak in the atmosphere. There's no fucking dice rolls.

>>716141943
The things the fledgling has probably done to Heather would damn him regardless of his behavior in unlife.

>>716141910
Can you scan it for us.

>>716142210
>Fucking snowflakes.
Lmao
Mald and seethe, homo.

>>716142278
No, it was initially delayed from Q4 2024 to mid-2025 because it was buggy and they wanted to rewrite some things. Then it was delayed until October for more polished. The dev diaries finished in March. They obviously intended to do the final marketing pass in March (3 months before June). They changed their minds last minute and delayed it from June to October. That's why the PC Gamer articles went live on March 25, the day the delay was announced. Evidently PC Gamer had slipped in just under the initial embargo, and they pushed all the other hands-ons back.

It's not impossible we're gonna get ANOTHER delay announcement today, but it's not super likely.

>>716142612
October would fit Halloween

>>716142406
Swansong looks super off though. There's an uncanny valley feeling all through the game and the writing isn't good or charming enough to compensate for that.
People frequently harp on VtMB's gameplay but it is varied and with enough depth to be fun.

>>716142538
If nobody else does, I'll download the digital issue and copy it tomorrow. I assume someone will take screenshots, though.

>>716141759
Well, Blizzard did that to buy themselves out of Vivendi, and ended up under Activision, right?

>>716142278
Since they said the game is basically done, they've delayed 3 times. I don't know how Paradox keeps paying them for a whole year after the alleged game completion.

>>716142612
If I remember correctly, if you count from the very beginning then in total there have been 7 or 8 delays. It's actually incredible that the game is still alive somehow.

>>716142612
No way it gets delayed again.
If they push it beyond October, it's gonna compete with all the AAA hyper advertised games for the Christmas season, it's gonna get buried by the other games.
If they leave it to next year it's gonna cost them more money and generate even more apathy.
Either they release it October or it goes from an almost certain failure to a disaster.

>>716142406
Swansong was peak SJW aesthetic, but came out after the peak of SJW culture relevance. Reminds me a bit of Dragon Age Veilguard's aesthetic and writing. It came out riding a fad that was now old and lame.

>>716142832
Nice, nice

>>716142832
Thanks anon

>>716141759
>>716142836
Also Bioware and EA.

>>716142945
Well, check when Paradox is releasing Europa Universalis 5, and various DLCs for their other big games. Bloodlines 2 will be used to fill a hole between those, I bet.

>>716141910
>>716142832
Based, post ITT or if the thread is dead make a new one. I want to have a look.

>>716142927
Yea, but at a certain point it gets messy because they fired the old company and sent their files to a different company who chose to make their own game instead of finishing the old one. There's always gonna be contention about where one begins and the other ends.
>>716142732
True enough. It does reinforce to me, though, that Activision played a pretty important role in shaping Bloodlines 1 into a flawed but ultimately casual friendly game. The big design issues don't become really noticeable until a few hours in. It has a good tutorial. The controls make sense. It focuses its polish on the opening hub. It has its priorities in order.

Then I remember this new game is published by fucking Paradox and feel a sinking sensation.

>>716143063
VtMB2 is a completely different market demo than any of Paradox's other games, so I don't think it would clash with Europa Universalis success that much.

>>716143368
They have quarterly earnings reports, meaning they really want to have something new to sell every 4 months, at least. Ideally, more than one.

>>716142950
I dunno, I think they were still swinging in 2022.
Honestly I only think it started to die down in 2024.
2021 was probably the peak of faggotry it was right after the Nigger Floyd riots and the election, but a bit before the consequences all crashed down.
White voice actors were getting replaced, anything with cops was getting cancelled, studios and such were talking about hiring more niggers and fags, the president was taking about how important trannies were to the nation while trannies showed their surgical botched tits on the White House lawn. Grim stuff.

>>716134716
replaced by AI (another indian)
sorry anon

>>716143486
Games like Bloodlines 2 are caught in a bit of a weird in-between state where they aren't as puritan-feeling as games from 2022, but there's still traces of it.

>>716143607
When did this Chinese room version start development?

>>716143728
2021.

>>716142950
>It came out riding a fad that was now old and lame.
That shit was always lame. At no point in time was it anything else.

>>716143728
>2019: Game announced by Hardsuit Labs
>2023: Hardsuit Labs quits, Chinese Room tags in
>2025: Alleged release

>>716143831
Objectively false. Blue hair, side cuts, sassy ironic feminism, queer praising and pretending, slactivist communism, etc, were cool and hip at one point.
You and me may not have liked them, and maybe the fad didn't reach our eastern european shithole countries, but in the USA, it was a hot aesthetic for a hot minute.

>>716143194
It's not really a science to make gameplay that clicks with people, it's such a widely subjective thing. But I don't think any game believed by enough people has "bad" gameplay, that is gameplay that most people skip, because people would simply play something else.
It's not that dialogue/exposition only games can't work, it's that people do get bored of them quickly, with reason. You need something to break away from just reading or watching, because a core part of videogames are interactivity.

>>716143943
I don't think they were ever naturally seen as hip as much it was heavily astroturfed to be, but then, when you I think about it, what's the difference?

>>716143871
HSL was dropped in early 2021 and then TCR took over a few months later. Paradox just didn't announce it officially until 2023 because they weren't sure if the game would just be outright cancelled.

>>716143943

>>716144143
The drama surrounding the drop should be more interesting than the game.
Was Mitsoda actually having an affair? Was the game in a terribly unplayable state? Was developed actually late?,

>>716144285
We'll probably know in like 10 years when NDAs expire. Doubt anyone will spill anything until then.

>>716143982
I played a few of Troika's games, and I felt that Bloodlines was by far the most approachable of them.

>>716143943
>Objectively false. Blue hair, side cuts, sassy ironic feminism, queer praising and pretending, slactivist communism, etc, were cool and hip at one point.
You and me may not have liked them, and maybe the fad didn't reach our eastern european shithole countries, but in the USA, it was a hot aesthetic for a hot minute.
Nothing you just said was ever considered hip and cool. You never saw that style worn by anybody but mentally unwell college losers who were wannabe activists.

>>716144282
I would like to have sex with Yor.

>>716132652
thanks guy from the chinese room
the combat dev diary seems interesting.
countering attacks with your own or breaking guard to open them up and a kick to send them flying is pretty god hand

>>716144504
>i dont like people doing X, because i dont like X
>therefore nobody good was doing X (i didn't like the ones who did it)

ok?

>>716144619
You think anyone who did that shit was good? What the fuck?

>>716145031
i dont think they are more wrong, immoral, metnally ill, etc, than people wearing mullets or goths
it was cool, you got on the train, now its not cool and you should get off it
people who continue doing it are socially maladjusted

>>716145140
>it was cool
No

>>716139937
Different kind of disaster. This one looks like a "wasting time booting this shit isn't worth it, let alone wasting time modding it" type of disaster. Just look at the fucking dev team

>>716134071
I'll take anyone but 8, she looks like she can and will decapitate me with her teeth.

I don't have the magazine yet (I'll buy it tomorrow, it's like 3 in the morning for me), but the cover is online.

Also, here is male Phyre.

>>716147801
Clan selection is fucking lame. No Malks. Not even Toreador. But of course the designated antifa clan is a shoo-in. And fucking Banu Literal Whos for no reason.

>>716147713
>>716147801
Thank you. Have a nice rest, then.

>>716147950
Banu are the defacto stealth clan now.

>>716147950
>No Malks.
To be fair, you have a Malk in your head. I feel like changing him from thinblood to Malk was partially to placate Malk fans.

>>716147801
Looks a lot better than the garbage emby from before.

>>716148084
Definitely. Must have been quite some work on a tight schedule too - not to mention the cost if everythning was already recorded, which it likely was if the studio followed the usual scheduling.
I guess the negative reaction to the Fabian reveal did impact them.

>>716147801
wow, he almost looks decent.
>>716148084
>you have a Malk in your head.
why is this still a thing? this trope should have died 10 years ago.

>>716148397
>why is this still a thing?
Narrative Yellow Paint. Felt need to dumb-proof the story.
Basically lack of trust in the audience's intelligence.

>>716148845
I think it could be cool if it was a Wraith: The Oblivion type of thing, where you have a shadow constantly undermining and tempting you, where ignoring it makes it louder and giving in quiets it down but makes you lose more control, but that'd be hell to sell to a casual audience.

>>716128841 (OP)
"We will be accepting donations in 3... 2... 1"

>>716149206
It worked for Amnesia, funny then how they made the only Amnesia game without the shadow.

One of the first things you see when you wake up in the game is a poster for a band called Phyre.

Some tidbits.
>While early versions had him as a “jaded, Chinatown-style detective,” Thomas says the character clicked once they realized “Fabian is delighted in the world. He finds the world fascinating. He’s that one detective who had a conspiracy theory that there’s vampires and things in the world, and he was proved right.” Fabien also talks exactly like the cheesiest version of a noir detective – think Spider-Man Noir from Into the Spider-Verse – which balances Phyre’s dry, to-the-point style of conversation they picked up when they were turned 400 years ago. It adds a sense of lighthearted humor to a game that is otherwise dark and serious.
>Clothing also affects your interactions on the streets and in the story – characters will treat you differently if you’re wearing something seductive or scary, so it’s functional fashion as well. In one instance, I approached a woman on the street to seduce her into an alley, but it turns out the woman was a sex worker, and Phyre was wearing provocative enough clothing that the stranger assumed I was a competitor moving in on her turf.
>“The two games are not alike,” Bloodlines 2 creative director Alex Skidmore tells me. “We have the code base and everything, but we basically started again because we had a very different vision, I think. There’s more visceral combat, et cetera. We share Seattle. [...] Some of the art we used to give us a sort of leap forward. We very much wanted to make it our own game.”

>The Chinese Room
>Isn't Chinese
If they lie about that, there's no reason they won't lie about anything else. Not going to give $70 for a lie.

>>716151316
They named themselves after The Chinese room argument about Programming

>>716149678
I've only played the first one, there's isn't really a voice in your head, is there? It's just recordings.

>>716134071
seven GET!

>>716151001
>talks exactly like the cheesiest version of a noir detective – think Spider-Man Noir from Into the Spider-Verse –
This is awful. Holy shit.
>>Clothing also affects your interactions on the streets and in the story – characters will treat you differently if you’re wearing something seductive or scary, so it’s functional fashion as well. In one instance, I approached a woman on the street to seduce her into an alley, but it turns out the woman was a sex worker, and Phyre was wearing provocative enough clothing that the stranger assumed I was a competitor moving in on her turf.
This is actually pretty great.

>>716152795
>This is awful. Holy shit.
So do people want Malks to be weird or not?

>>716151316
Chinese Room is a thought experiment in informatics. Its actually pretty relevant, considering AI and chatbots. At least read the wiki article.

>>716153306
Zoomers think being lame or cringe are the biggest sins ever. They'd rather die than risk being cringe.
So the kind of loose, out there, loony Malkavian characters would not be enjoyed, unless the gatekeepers and thought makers review them and say they are cool actually, after which everyone will parrot them.

t. zoomer whisperer (teacher)

Vampires are joining the Neverwinter Watch, I see.

>>716129008
bottom left guy probably gets so much mid pussy

>>716128841 (OP)
Where will the money come from to make their next game with?

>>716129008
Anyone know why the studio is called the chinese room? Pretty weird title for a game studio, if you ask me..

>>716153815
see >>716153437
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

That's nice and all but the game is still going to suck.

>>716129008
Still Wakes the Deep was ALMOST good if it only tried to be more scary rather than atmoshperic.
However i don't see how a pure Walking Sim company can make Vampie Bloodlines sequel. Any battle or sneaking mechanic is going to be pure dog shit, there is no doubt about it. Will it just be a dating sim with turn based action sexquences and resource management?

>>716153306
You can be weird without being annoying. Mostly you need to be funny to avoid all the mistakes of a typical fishmalk, which is something VtMB managed to accomplish.
>>716153521
That's not true at all, zoomers are cringe as fuck. Jesus, you have open furries in classroms, you should know this.

>>716154073
furry is a millenial thing, moreso than zoomer
zoomers are too self aware and scared of being seen as lame to do something like that
they posture and pose all the time, whereas its millenials playing their gameboys in public and revealing too much information and wearing vidya tshirts

>>716154049
>Any battle or sneaking mechanic is going to be pure dog shit
You mean like in Bloodlines 1?

>>716132430
They are paid better than the peasants ever were, though.

>>716133103
The writing in VTMB really is cringe at times. It really nails the atmosphere, though, even despite all the obvious flaws. The overall atmosphere and """"vibe"""" is what really makes the game for me.

>>716129008
>Machine for Pigs
So they aren't even good at making walking sim horror games? That game ruined the Amnesia series

>>716129008
Wikipedia says Chinese Room went through a couple of full staff layoffs, so I wouldn't count on it having any legacy.

>>716154154
>zoomers are too self aware and scared of being seen as lame to do something like that
Zoomers are the least self aware generation.
Doesn't over half of them identify as some type of faggot?

>>716147801
>male Phyre
Lol, what happened to their precious they/them?

>>716134716
You are looking for a tech job??? IN the era of AI?? AHAHAHAHA

>>716147801
Looks like crap now. Jaw is basically nonexistent. I preferred the other look.

>>716147801
I don't hate how he looks. The name is beyond retarded, though.

>>716154786
What do you mean?

>>716128958
My only hope is that it's a broken masterpiece like the first one instead of an irredeemable pile of steaming shit.

>>716155021
Getting paid 4 hours worth of wages to change some heading on a web page is the only work I've ever done. I hoped I could do more of that.

>>716151001
>>716152795
>talks exactly like the cheesiest version of a noir detective
does he tho?
in the gameplay preview posted in this thread he interjects to point out the obvious, in a quite annoying manner too
>guy has a bomb strapped to his chest
>he's mumbling to himself shit like "he promised me if i did this i could see my family again" and "it's not up to me"
>phyre puts the foot down, something to the tune of "obey or die worm"
>other guy obviously freaks out
>the cunt in your head interjects with "we're losing him" and "he's breaking down"
no shit nigger

>>716155021
>Get IT degree
>'rona
>Economy shits itself
>AI
Should've been an engineer.

>>716144285
Leaks suggest the HSL version isn't "terribly unplayable", it just looks mediocre after many years of development. Paradox probably is justified in thinking they deserve a better game; the problem is that asking a walking sim studio to make that is about as out of the frying pan into the fire as you can get.

>>716151001
> characters will treat you differently if you’re wearing something seductive or scary, so it’s functional fashion as well. In one instance, I approached a woman on the street to seduce her into an alley, but it turns out the woman was a sex worker, and Phyre was wearing provocative enough clothing that the stranger assumed I was a competitor moving in on her turf
Can we get a new example already? Heard this before

>>716133002
That Bush line is antisemitic, I'm counting it as right wing.

>>716128841 (OP)
>Paradox, ordering this sequel to be made for them, still owns White Wolf and its IP
>literal who company is free from some a smaller publisher
And faggot OP comes to /v/ and links us this game journo "news"

You know we're not shareholders, we don't care about any of this, because we KNOW IT WILL BE SHIT. VTMB was okay, but not great, and now these fucking nobodies want to make money from the IP.

If you want to talk about politics, take it to pol. If you want to talk about the companies, go to biz.

>>716156201
Stop talking.

>>716156201
>we dont care
>350 posts

This is a video game thread. If you don't like it, close the tab.

>>716156201
They do it because they have to shill, but there's no good shilling material. You can look up "dev diaries" and see what kind of brownoid diarrhea devs are preparing for us.

Be honest? Are you buying this?
I might, if it's shit (likely) I'll make webms to post in the thread when it releases for Anons to laugh at.

>>716155621
There is no footage of malk Fabien.

>>716156882
>Be honest? Are you buying this?
I don't usually buy big games on release, if ever. I buy stuff like Rimworld, Backpack Battles, etc, smaller priced indies.
But I'm absolutely playing it, regardless if I buy later.

>>716131648
>You don’t understand the young people!!
Worms will be eating your exogenous-estrogen tits in just a few short years.

>>716157206
the video is from 4 months ago.
if they managed to rewrite and re-record all the dialogue + subtitles for one of the major characters in this tire fire of a game in the meantime hats off to them, but that seems daunting given the size of the studio

>>716157838
Re-recording dialogue isn't such a big deal especially since there's no animations attached.

>>716158096
Baldur's Gate 3 was rerecording voice lines for a whole ass companion character months before release Wyll

>>716158145
and he was made worse for it.

>>716156692
>but there's no good shilling material
How hard would it be to add large boobs with physics to the characters?

>VtMB2 gets more news after months of complete silence
>Ozzy Osbourne dies on the same day this happens
FUCK

>>716128841 (OP)
you guys would love the book Necroscope. Vampires and psycucks fighting a war

>>716158376
that character should've been a young buck who got fooled and trapped by 3 suggar mommy succubi, not a lame daddy's boy plot

he could've been the bard. literally sold my soul to learn to play the guitar, except its sold my soul to learn to be a hero blade warlock, so i can do the heroic deeds i sing about, and make him some unique bard-warlock

the companions shouldn't be the kind of characters the player can make, they shou;d've had extra bonuses. but then, larian couldn't have their divinity system of playing as your companion.... bleh.

>>716156882
No, but people in my steam family buy tons of garbage. I might spend some time playing it in that case.

>>716128841 (OP)
Let me guess, they're scraping the game and starting over again?

>>716158586
Noooo not famous old person n°421445

>>716158696
no, they are positioning himself to get a larger share of the profits, im guessing
which means they assume there will be profits to be had, and those profits are more than whatever they paid to become independent

>>716128841 (OP)
Wasn't this game supposed to be released by now? What gives?

>>716158672
What does a vampire titjob feel like?

>>716155021
that the excuse I'm using for not having ever used my degree in accounting to get a job
graduated late 2020 during rona + AI = me waging at Amazon till I die

>>716158920
vampires are cold, and theri skin doesn't lubricate, so probably terrible

>>716158865
Coming soon! This October! We swear this time!
It's been on my wishlist since 2019

>>716158991
I refunded and dropped it off my wishlist when Mitsoda and Schaffer were no more.

>>716158626
>a verse where all the vampires are 2nd Ed. Tzimisce
Lol no

>>716158672
Vampires can move their blood around and simulate life sign, so just like a normal boob job

Wish I was a vampire.

>>716160702
noooo its a curse nooo you arent suppose to like it noooo being an immortal superhuman is le bad

>>716128841 (OP)
Stop shilling your game. Also that character got cut in the Chinese Room version.

>>716160917
As an academic I get all the time in the world to research what I want and the drawback is a little blood once in a while and eternal damnation in Hell bereft of God's grace unless you find some way to repent
could be worse

>>716158920
Unless that particular kindred is freaky, it will just feel like a normal titjob (which I have no idea how it feels irl)

>>716161409
Caveat - the blood will come from me/you. Not that I mind personally.

>>716132872
The hack and slash 3rd person melee combat

>>716133110
>plus the radio ads with senators
Which were hilarious by the way

>>716131213
She also stronger than men and dart champion.

>>716132872
The cool powers? The stat allocation having an effect on gameplay and dialogue? Fat tits (walking sims are a gay genre and lack those)

>>716132359
This is always so deeply dishonest and stupid.
Like, alright. The game can make jokes about Bush, the Republicans and have commies that everyone treats as a joke, but it needs to have Male/Female and jokes implying being gay is inherently mockable.
Lefties would die before accepting such terms.

>>716132872
The dialogue and character interaction.

>>716131156
>BG3 is basically Bloodlines, but with better...
>turn-based assvomit is better than half-life 2 gameplay
not even your parents will believe that

Where the release date at

>>716164654
release...?

>>716134357
It lives in a state of undeath, it wishes nothing more than to meet its final death yet fear and the machinations of powers far beyond its control prevents it from being embraced by the sweet cold caress of the end. Anyway, how are you Deb?

>>716132872
the physics and exploration

>>716151001
>noir
a shill in these threads kept saying how vtmb2 is "noir like drive and john wick"

>>716164759
Was Deb a vampire?

>>716132359
yeah but George Bush was a retard and republicans were crazies banning video game
It was a whole 15 years later that libtards became the crazy tranny fags we hate today

>>716164654
Releasing the game would interfere with their bimonthly dripfeeding of news

>>716165130
republicans are still doing the same shit, if not worse though

>>716160917
exactly, bro gets it. "oh nooo eternal youth, super strength, mind control and a killer wardrobe, please not that "
as if I wouldn’t trade taxes and office jobs for a coffin in a cool gothic apartment and blood smoothies at midnight.

>>716165482
>republicans are still doing the same shit, if not worse though
>republicans
>right as steam censors games because a bunch of Australian feminist holes whined about porn
Mhm

>>716165509
The trade off is that you're guaranteed to go to hell if you die

>>716165029
there's no definitive answer but it seems pretty clear she's either a vampire or ghoul doing damage control

>>716165509
Sure, but, according to White Wolf you also become a huge homo and probably a nigger.

>>716165603
if the book you are preaching is true, 99% of us are going to hell anyway

>>716165592
Republicans and Democrats have both tried to censor media for decades, remember Tipper Gore?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMlogOdIcdQ

>The Chinese Room
>British
>Based in Brighton

lmao if only you knew what horrors await

>>716166041
What's in Brighton?

>>716166093
Fanny Schmeller

>>716132492
>>716134156
>>716129008

Reminder that Affirmative Action only helped white women at the expense of everyone else, and DEI is merely a way to justify their bullshit departments and roles. Again, at the expense of everyone else.

>>716166309
lol.

>>716166398
based
we deserve it

>>716166036
Or how the hearings that created the ESRB were led by Joe Lieberman and Herb Kohl, both Dems.
Pretending that people's opinions of Democrats and Republicans were the same is insane. Nobody liked politicians in general. Most people just voted on the presidential elections, if that. Things changed radically with Obama and identity politics, so now I'm suppose to pretend that the fags that are supported by literally every existing power structure on the West are "counterculture".

If vampires are going to Hell regardless, why not embrace infernalism?

>>716166093
Ugly women.

>>716166609
>ugly women
That is all of the UK though.

>>716166534
Is it a certainty? I thought if you managed to keep your humanity relatively high you will be fine.

>>716166806
Depends. When you are turned your damnation is guaranteed, but this can potentially be circumvented by reaching Colconda and staying there until Final Death, or like in the Wormwood ending of the PnP prove yourself worthy in the eyes of God and regain your humanity while the rest of your kin die from a deluge.

>>716166609
Who finds this attractive? Seriously I don't get it. Can we put out a memo telling women that this is extremely ugly?

>>716128958

It saddens me, honestly, the first game wasn't amazing but it was very comfy.

>>716166806
The whole point of the game is that keeping your humanity high is next to impossible because unlife is a constant struggle between supernatural parties, your inner beast and ennui brought on by lack of sunlight and real human connection.

>>716166975
Women don't desriey themselves with ugly makeup and bad surgeries to fit men's standards, they do it because other women judge them.
There's not a single man in the entire universe that looked at left pic and said 'man I wish this qt looked more like handsome Squidward, that would turn me on more'

>>716128958
It sure could be

>>716167429
>use telekinesis to fire a revolver
Uhhhhhh, why didn't you just have a revolver that you unholster and fire? It would go faster too.

Rest in peace HSL Lou. I'll never forgive TCR for putting you on a diet

>>716166093
a happy lil gal

I like Chinese Room and wish them the best (despite their atrocious Amnesia game, that, in hindsight, isn't that bad, cause the actual Amnesia creators have never done anything good with Amnesia since either), with that said, this is a cursed project and I'm glad they're working on other stuff in the meantime like Wakes the Deep.

>>716167763
What is this gay shit

>>716168315
ghost and molly mcgee
it's a nice show actually

>>716167515
Too much animation work.

>>716167515
firing a gun by hand is peasant shit

>>716167429
>Middle finger

>>716169181
its a Brujah taunt

>>716169228
Oh, is it an actual tabletop thing?

>>716169282
Yeah its a presence ability

>>716168794
Lel
>>716168924
I mean, it looks cool (if sped up) but that's Path of Movement of Mind, a Tremere power.

>>716167429
Ok I think this looks cool as fuck

>>716128841 (OP)
VAMPING TRANSVESTITES are MEN BLOODLINES 2

>>716169653
holdover from HSL, maybe? Telekenesis was a part of your skill set there too, and you were a thinblood/13th gen kindred

>>716129008
>All these dei hires...
It's gonna be a woke flop, it's 2025
Make based games or go broke

Can't wait for the twitter post about the studio closure

Go woke go broke
Christ is king.

>>716167687
AAAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEE, MOMMY!
AAAAAAAAHHHHH
AAAAAAAIEEE!

>>716167429
looks kinda nice but why are these guys just hanging out on a snowy rooftop on a december night

>>716168284
You really think The Bunker wasn't that good?

>>716147801
What is that outfit. That has not been shown before I think

>>716168924
wasting blood on something easily done by hand is how you end up going frenzy in planet hollywood until the sheriff puts you down

>>716166609
>>716167340
All they did was answer the call

>>716150369
Phyre just took the name of a band? Why?

>>716132359

>>716170871
>until the sheriff puts you down
But you are the Sheriff. Who puts down the Sheriff?

>>716170871
i am the sheriff

>>716134071
5 or 7 could get it

>>716171043
trans women are women, they aren't men, based troika :)

>>716171278
it says male though?

>>716171278
They can call themselves whatever they want, but they are biologically male

>>716171043
clearly says don't take if male, ergo it's for trans women

>>716171578
how does that even make sense?

>>716171578
Gender =/= Sex

You were born a male. You will die a male.

>>716171670
if you are a trans woman by definition you left behind your maleness

>>716171761
i agree wholeheartedly anon

>>716167687
lmao, lou? ain't that a dude's name? fucking gay

>>716171782
that actually makes sense lol, thanks for clarifying

>>716167429
>guys like wouldn't it be funny if they used the middle finger!
>then it would be really cool if they used telekenesis to fire a gun... instead of using the telekenesis itself as a weapon!
zoomers designed this garbage .

>>716171761
>Gender =/= Sex
Lol no
That's like saying species =/= kind and that means you can be biologically a human but actually identify as a dog and have to be treated as one

>>716171840
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Graham_(Seattle_madam)

>>716148084
>Fabien confirmed as a Malk in your head who is described as an investigator of sorts
So HSL’s Mr Damp is now Fabien

>>716153664
doubtful, 100% he's in the process of trooning out

>>716171956
A series staple

>>716171782
All you did was put on a dress and wig, anon

>>716167429
holy fuck that is horrendously terrible
did the designers grow up on DMC: Fuck You Edition?

>>716171971
Definitely.

>>716172169
i'm a man

>>716165482
oh no! republicans are attacking porn! what will you ever do without coomer brain shit!

>>716172351
>i support free speech until someone says something i don't like!

>>716171578
trans women are men tho

>>716171960
>be biologically a human but actually identify as a dog and have to be treated as one
You'll probably see nonsense like this within the next 5-10 years. But I say people can call themselves whatever the fuck they want, doesn't mean I have to agree or interact with them.

>>716137813
They gonna use some of his unused stuff like All That Could Ever Be and To Live Forever (why the fuck weren't these used in game, they're so kino) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQC9sToSdmM&list=RDHQC9sToSdmM&start_radio=1&ab_channel=RikSchaffer-Topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6--0qHvhXw&list=RDHQC9sToSdmM&index=2&ab_channel=RikSchaffer-Topic

>>716172398
so like when christian bakers had their businesses ruined because they dared not bake a cake for faggots?
that kind of silencing?
>it's okay when we do it! n..nazi!

>>716172486
Is that confirmed?

>>716171956
I like the gun though. Gameplay wise perhaps it lets you shoot and cast spells or carry melee weapons at the same time.

>>716148084
>To be fair, you have a Malk in your head. I feel like changing him from thinblood to Malk was partially to placate Malk fans.
Then they're even more retarded and off-base than I thought.
>"YOU can't be Malkavian because umm it's like umm problematic but here's a special OC donut steel NPC that can be Malk unlike (You)"
What a bunch of fags.

>>716172476
Unlikely, because trannies are useful idiots, while dog people are useless idiots.

>>716133365
What do vampire pussies smell like anons?

>Can't choose Tzimisce
>Instead have banu literally whos as an option

Fuck off. Unless I can do vicissitude like some fucking pillar men from JJBA, I wont be interested.

>>716172765
My guess is that they are going to pull off, "you've been Malkavian all along".

>>716172618
I meant to pose that as a question, I have no idea if those songs are gonna be used but was wondering if they would.

>>716172909
Protagonist is from Constantinople sadly

>>716172940
How does that work with clan powers. Can Malkavians just think themselves into other clans and why arent others picking up on it?

>>716133002
> He's writing a book about niggers. Sounds familiar?
> Is it about the Obama administration?
What did Avellone mean by that?

>2 dlcs post release with one of them changing the gameplay "significantly"
lasombra and malkavian

>>716172183
t.secondary. literally a gesture from the trrpg

>>716173045
I dunno, you just imagined your powers or something.

>>716173201
Malkavian and Nosferatu are the most obvious DLCs to make, both warrant a replay of the game due to their special stuff.

>>716173201
Wasnt one dlc standalone, i.e., a separate adventure with a clan?

>>716130997
>VtMB is a walking sim
Half the game is combat lmao

>>716173201
Malkavian, Toreador, or Lasombra
If they're fags they'll do nossies.

>>716172968
>Constantinople

>>716147801
Isn't that the guy that makes all those tiktoks / youtube shorts about dog breeds?

>>716133002
If even one quarter of the things I heard about Richard Bruce Cheney is true, that line is hardly a joke but a matter of fact statement.

>>716128841 (OP)
I had no idea this was being made by fucking Chinese Room
What have they done aside from terrible walking simulators?

>>716132359
Anarchs aren't anarchists, they have a hierarchy where barons run different parts of anarch territory who are essentially just princes not loyal to the Camarilla, and the only communist vampire we meet says that communism doesn't work for humans but will for vampires only and she's treated as a joke. One of the anarchs is a Vietnam vet who outright calls her a "one of those protestor fucks" he had to deal with when he was still mortal.

VtmB deals with fictional vampire politics between supernatural entities engaging in violence and Machiavellian shadow politics for their own selfish immortal goals. Trying to claim it's a leftist or rightist game is utterly retarded

>>716128841 (OP)
>>716128958
Same thread, same top comment on twitter
By design no doubt
Who is writing a script to feed to us? Why do they use bots to write the narrative

>>716172872
condensate
You know how they are basically a corpse and thus have room temperature
You know how water gathers around bottles who were in the freezer recently.

Wait so the devs are betting that the game will do so well that it will cover the entire cost of developement that was bought by the parent company and if not then they will be the ones who will take the hit instead of the bigass company?

Am I getting this right? Anyways you being an ancient vampire instead of a fledgling sounds interesting. Best of luck.

>>716173930
Paradox is the only one taking the hit.

>>716173919
If you have condensate in your room on room temperature objects I think you should do something about it.

If anything, this could make vampires feel like silicone dolls, which isn't half bad.

>>716174306
How? Didnt the devs buy themselves out to become indie? Paradox taking the hit would mean that they accepted a shit deal that doesnt cover the costs of the game that pilled up so far right before the chance to turn in some money from the game.

>>716172872
As if they're constantly on their periods

>>716134109
Holy fuck this looks awful

>>716167429
Based.

>>716134109
First person melee combat always looks awful.
Is this the new footage or the old?

>>716175486
Splice mix of old and new

>>716167429
New gameplay looks good, but I have zero faith the writing or roleplaying will be any good. Protagonist looks butt ugly as well, male version looks okayish but the chick is gross.