>Lower resolution than the NES
>Many games still had slowdown
>Lots of useless peripherals no one bought
>Shittiest localizations known to mankind
>More licensed shovelware than real games
>Objectively inferior ports to the Genesis
>"B-BUT IT HAD DANKY KANG AND CHRONO NIGGER!!1"
Is the SNES the most overrated console of all time?

>>716140138 (OP)
The Nintendo Shitcube and Nintendo Shitty4 are the 2 most overrated dogshit consoles ever made and they both have less than 10 worthwhile games combined

>>716140138 (OP)
>Is the SNES the most overrated console of all time?
Not even close. The slopstation 2 exists after all. Can you imagine what a collage of PS2 games from say 2005 would look like? The slop would be off the charts.

>>716140265
this gaycube was the first nogaems machine

>>716140138 (OP)
it has super metroid, castlevania 4, and megaman x2
that alone is a good lineup

>>716140138 (OP)
>Lower resolution than the NES
Wait what?

>>716140373
>PS2
>2005
Devil May Cry 3, Dynasty Warriors 5, Cold Fear, God of War, Killer7, Ape Escape 3, Burnout Revenge, GUN, Kingfom Hearts II... Should I go on?

>>716140559
>already listing garbage like God of War, Cold Fear and that awful port of Killer 7
Indeed, the slop has begun.

>>716140138 (OP)
Genesis is far better. Super Nintendo has a lot of games, but it's a lot of mediocre games and horse race betting simulators.

>>716140656
>and horse race betting simulators.
Did you ever learn how to sort folders?

>>716141003
It's just an observation, relax emulator-kun. It's from shopping in Japan and Yahoo Auctions. They really love their horse race "games" there.

>>716141084
>They really love their horse race "games" there.
And this is relevant because? The most popular games on Genesis were EA sports slop.

>>716140554
It's true, SNES has a lower internal horizontal resolution than NES (256 vs 320)

>>716141198
You can find a copy of the Sega 6-pack or Ranger-X. You can't find a copy of Energy Breaker.

>>716141559
>undesirable games are cheap
>game released at the tail end of the console's life is rare
Shocking revelation.

>>716140265
>>716140471
>be ps2 fanboy in 2025 still seething
>1/50 games on the ps2 are actually worth playing because it was the first shovelware console
mfw

if you went to ebgames or gamestop back i the day and you could only buy one game and it was something you never heard of, you had a better shot getting something good on the gamecube than the anarchy that was the ps2 library

>>716141661
Absolutely, and it's not even a particularly good game. Mostly good for montage or collage bait.

>>716141694
I thrive in chaotic situations and improvising, conformity and heavily diluted gamecube games just don't do it for me. I need to be ready to break boundaries and think out of the box at every moment and I'm just not rewarded for that when my choices are mario, mario if he baseball, mario if he party, mario if he party with a microphone this time, and mario if he dance dance revolution. That's the difference. You don't want to think out and hunt, you just to be given what you know. There's always something out there to put a smile on your face and deliver you new highs, you simply have to want to grasp it.

>>716141954
This is some authentic 2012 fedora tipper cringe.

>>716140265
That's still more than the ps1. Every game on that thing aged like milk except sotn and even that game is mid at best these days.

>>716142119
Which is why you're not gonna make it. I am not a conformist like you. You'll balk at Transformers from Atari Infogrames on PS2 but I'll indulge it. Knowing fully well to you that it's a licensed game on a non-nintendo console so it has to be bad when in reality it's the peak of the franchise and a technical showcase with some truly brutal bosses and fun physics driven encounters. But you're too scared to play it.

>>716142425
>I am not a conformist like you.
The sheer cognitive dissonance to say this while glazing the most popular console ever made.

>>716141209
>>716140138 (OP)
>lower resolution than NES
Well that's just simply not true.

>>716141198
>U.N. Squadron

FUCK YEAR!

>>716141694
>>1/50 games on the ps2 are actually worth playing because it was the first shovelware console
That's still like a hundred games man.

>>716141209
That's just the frame buffer. In actually the SNES could display games in higher resolutions, meanwhile, the NES often couldn't fill its entire potential display and had to leave parts of it in black bars.

Tell me anon , could nes or genesis do this? Then shut the fuck up

>>716142497
What a demure and submissive post. Typical after all that declarative showboating, you fold like all conformist tendies.

>>716140138 (OP)
Eh Pilotwings was cool...

>>716143376
>What a demure and submissive post.
Least homosexual Sony fan. First the euphoric posts about being a freethinker (huge fan of the de facto normalfag console btw) and now this blatant projection. Can't say I'm surprised.

>>716143535
>Least homosexual Sony fan
Thank you, but I'm not a fan I simply go where the games are. You've already recoiled back from posting games and now resort to desperate swipes. Will it set you off if I post The Bouncer?

>>716143107
youre right, as a fan of all 3 consoles i think the ps2 has the deepest library with most longevity. but being a fan of these consoles today is different than being a fan of them when they came out.

check out this chart. this is what the issue is. this generation came out during a time where many people couldnt research and find the hidden gems or the good games. so im sure a shitload of people wasted money on terrible games on the ps2 because the market was oversaturated with them. ps2 games are like mobile phone games in that sense. there are millions of them to sift through before you find the good one.

so while i would say objectively the ps2 might have the largest amount of good games, if you average it out, the gamecube and the xbox was still worth owning because while they didnt have as many good games at the ps2, you had a much betterchance of getting something you actually liked on that console.


if you have 1 10/10 game in a group of 50 and then you have a bunch of 1/10 or 3/10 games, the one 10/10 game doesnt carry the rest and the average quality of game on the console is a 3/10. the xbox and the gamecube never had this problem. maybe the average gamecube or xbox game is like a 7/10 or a 6/10 . all consoles have their stinkers.

eitherway i am saying all this as someone who thinks this is the #1 best console generation i dont hate the ps2 i think its cool. i have a silver slim model personally and im trying to look into modding it soon.

>>716143793
I don't get the "not a fan" angle. You actively defend and worship Sony consoles day and night. This is the kind of game only a true fanboy could pretend is good.

>>716143793
Names? Gotta load up my roms list.

>>716143793
is this shit all upscaled or is there a way to get ps2 games to look liek this on a television?

>>716144068
I don't really find the gamecube worth it unless you're really into Nintendo. Xbox is a significantly better proposition especially in 2025. You'll get a much fuller library by getting the Wii which makes up for a lot of the GC's shortcomings.

>>716144106
>I don't get the "not a fan" angle
Do you want an explanation?
>You actively defend and worship Sony consoles
No, I like them for the games they have and how developers use the hardware. I also like the user experience. I'll defend anything that has games, and know the end result of memes like "nogames" is people ignoring good games. I find that to be the worst thing.
>This is the kind of game only a true fanboy could pretend is good.
I think it's OK.

>>716144234
Have fun. The image is about aesthetics but there's plenty of good games there.

>>716144263
They're all 640x448 tiles which is a slight resize of some games. It's just meant to cleanly fill the grid. Use good component cables and force 480p when possible, if you don't have a CRT a retrotink5x does a great job juggling the 480i image in most games to look more like 480p.

>>716140138 (OP)
>Super Metroid
>Chrono Trigger
>Pilotwings
>Link to the Past
>ActRaiser
>Earthbound
>F-Zero
>Final Fantasy VI
>Shiren the Wanderer (JP only)
>Demon’s Crest
It did alright.

>>716140138 (OP)
>Shittiest localizations known to mankind
You never played FF7 on the PS1, did you?

>>716144419
>and know the end result of memes like "nogames" is people ignoring good games.
20 years later and Sony fanboys have still never recovered from the no games truth.

>>716144714
Why do you hate Sega Rally?

>SNES had the masterpieces that were Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma
>Playstation had the tedious clunky mess that was Granstream Saga by the same devs
that said I definitely wanna check out Brightis, I hope that translation actually comes out

>>716144419
personally my ranking of the consoles would go XBOX gamecube and then ps2, but slowly over the years ive considered that maybe for me its xbox ps2 and gamecube. buts its hard to say because they all have strengths and weaknesses. im not a big nintendo fan, i think the n64 and the gamecube were the last time that nintendo really put out an effort to directly compete with the competition. and while i respect them pivoting to a degree to do their own thing, they rarely give their audience what they ask for and if they do it take them more than a decade. they turned into a shitty company in the last decade but thats a seperate convo.

the gamecube has its own hidden gems and fun games worth experiencing. and because the graphics are so crisp compared to the ps2 i still think its worth owning one or at the very least finding a way to play some of the exclusives. ps2 by far had the most mech or robot games and custom robo on the gamecube is a good game if you like that sort of thing. a memory i hold fondly from when i was way younger was getting luigis mansion for the gamecube on launch. at the time the lighting was really impressive and the game was cool not being yet another boring mario game. i have never finished a single mario game. finished luigis mansion and replayed it multiple times. do you like starwars? i remember my dad and my uncle and a bunch of older guys huddled around my gamecube around launch playing rogue squadron. that was an amazing looking game for the year.


>>716144419
any place you would suggest buying a retrolink from? i have my old console still and try to use them when i can. we just have shitty flat screens.

>>716144758
What kinda question is that?

>>716145032
You're saying a Sega Rally game sucks and I don't know why.

>>716144957
For me Gamecube is on the bottom when compared to the 3 other 6th gen consoles. It was also the first one I got into when I started getting back into consoles with a modded Wii. The reason I started with it was because of the pressure from /v/, that it was a great console and worth spending time on. I found it didn't really satisfy and whenever I tried to discuss flaws in games the discussion would immediately be derailed by obtuse shitposting. Lost interest in trying to be fair a long time ago.
>the gamecube has its own hidden gems and fun games worth experiencing
Totally agree, and not even that obscure of games either. Games like Battalion Wars which I think I've seen less than 5 threads on in the past 15 years. Rogue Squadron is a pretty good game with a decent level of challenge being the main draw. The other more obtuse titles like Odama, PN03, Gotcha Force etc etc were really underwhelming to me. I did discover Kururin Squash a few years ago after a friend got into the GBA game and that was a pleasant surprise.
>any place you would suggest buying a retrolink from
I bought it from the creators website years ago, https://www.retrotink.com/shop/retrotink-5x-pro it's pricy but a great way to hook up any old console. When I bought it cash was a little tight so I did the pay in installments thing which was about $80 every month for a few months.

>>716145609
The fuck is this? That isn't Sega Rally.

>>716144068
This. PS2 was full of shovelware. Your only real source of reviews were game magazines and IGN back in the day and even those were paid off at the time. GameCube has some stinkers, but chances are if you picked a game off the shelf based on how cool it looked, it would still be good. I found out about custom robo that way.

>>716145826
It's a Sega Rally game by Sega.

>>716146110
No it's some Britshart game with the Sega Rally name plastered onto it.

>>716145609
>other 3 consoles
are you including the dreamcast? im not super familiar with it i had one for a while and didnt play much on it and sold it unfortunately when i needed the money and got rid of a lot of my stuff.

i enjoyed my time with the dreamcast and might buy one again but i would be more interested in why you think the dreamcast is better than the gamecube if you really think that. the dreamcast sort of seems like it has the same flaws people say the gamecube has where it didnt have many good games. most of the games on the dreamcast people talk about were arcade game ports and not true exclusives. im not super knowledgeable about the console though.

honestly my opinion on a console is that if it has even 10 good games you like a lot its worth owning. you need to consider these your favorite games though. but again for me its why i think all 3 consoles are worth owning.

gotcha force was fun playing it with a friend but single player i dont imagine it being super fun. did you try custom robo? i really think if not you should try it at least.

how much was the retrolink?

ive been looking into buying a crt at some point. i posted this video in another thread just recently but this game here shows you the ps2 doesnt even have lighting in this game. i have the gamecube version. trying to play this on my flat screen recently was impossible because of the issue any flat screens have with true blacks. i beat the game on a crt and had a great time but navigating in dark areas in this game was impossible on my tv because the lighting and visibility was fucked up no matter what option i used on the tv. pissed me the fuck off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWS4Iglv5A

>>716146081
yeah one of my favorite memories for whatever reason is finding custom robo at hollywood video. (blockbuster type of establishment) and playing through it. then my younger brother at the time tried it and ended up being even better at it than i was, and today we are still huge fans of this game and talk about it occasionally.

Auster thread

>>716140138 (OP)
>shittiest localizations
You shut your whore mouth, child.

>>716140265
And guess what? Most of those games were made by Rare before Nintendo stabbed them in the back with a rusty knife.

>>716146159
By some of the key people behind Colin McRae Rally, Sega All Stars Racing Transformed, and DiRT. What's with the prejudice against British devs? They make great racing games like Outrun 2006.

>>716146320
>interested in why you think the dreamcast is better than the gamecube
More of my kind of games. More arcade style stuff, more of Sega's in particular, the less arcadey stuff is more rudimentary and less hand holdy than Gamecube games, you can skip the fluff and get right to the action in a lot of cases.
>honestly my opinion on a console is that if it has even 10 good games you like a lot its worth owning
That's agreeable, I'm more generous leaning more into what I want to play rather than what is for sure going to be good. I play games just based on what catches my interest, never know when one might surprise you.
>how much was the retrolink?
$340 after shipping/paying it off. Also it's retrotink.
>ive been looking into buying a crt at some point
It's completely worth it and you'll be pushed to play more games that take advantage of it like light gun games. I love the Master System for its light gun games, easily the best 8-bit light gun titles.
>. i posted this video in another thread
Yeah the PS2 effects are super toned down, you can tell there is some dynamic lighting but without the darker shading it barely stands out and defeats the purpose. That video also has the Xbox version which is the one I'd play, although the GC version on Wii will run the smoothest, I recall both GC and Xbox versions chugging in some of the later areas but that was before Nintendont existed. Vexx is another game where the PS2 version is the worst, long load times and poor visuals and half framerate. GC is smoother at 60, but visually is close to PS2 and still retains load times but they aren't as long as PS2. Xbox however is the definitive way to play it, seamless transitions and minimal loading and visuals that take advantage of the hardware at 60fps.

>>716140559
a bunch of movie games, the 6th gen is so overrated

>>716147318
theres nothing wrong with arcadey stuff i think of the few games i play on the dreamcast one of my favorites as this SHMUP style 3d game where you play as a helicopter. you can pick i think from 3. but it was top down i believe and you could move around and strafe and change where you were aiming i think. it was a good game i suspect you already know about it but if not you should try it.

340 is a lot for a cable thing, do you think it makes that big of a difference? i remember looking at some of those a while back but i just couldnt tell from youtube if it made enough of a difference to really matter for that level of money. its not that 340 would break the bank for me but id rather use that for something else more practical unless its truly a game changer.

yeah light gun games..i had house of the dead on the xbox complete with the cool light gun SMG in xbox green for that. i was pissed when i found out that it didnt work with new tvs but luckilly i had already played through HOTD myself and with my friends a few times on our CRT screens around 2005.

yeah when metal arms came out i was really young, and i asked for it for my birthday. i wanted it on the xbox but my uncle got it for me on gamecube and i was hyped as hell to get the game but was also slightly dissapointed that i didnt get it for the xbox. but nontheless had a great time on the gamecube with it. the xbox was my dedicated halo/starwars battlefront/ninja gaiden/mgs2 console so having another gamecube game i think was nice just to have a reason to use it.


yeah i think that this console generation is the most fun to talk about. even if in this situation the ps2 version of metal arms is the shittiest, the unique architecture of the ps2 meant there were games on it that took advantage of it that might not have been possible in certain cases on anything but the ps2. its just fun to talk about or read about.

i always forget but the ps2 was better at a few things than the (cont)

>>716148930
(cont) xbox was. which is why stuff like rain inn MGS2 worked on the ps2 but made the game slow down like crazy on the xbox.

>>716148930
>3d game where you play as a helicopter
Zero Gunner? Awesome shooter, love the style of being a rotational craft.
>340 is a lot for a cable thing
I know, I do a lot with it. Guests use it, and having PS2 games look so good with it was a huge thing for me. I capture video and stream and this helps a lot. It's not just the device, good cables are pricy too. PS2 ones aren't too bad at around $30.
>house of the dead on the xbox
Surprisingly good set, also had the unlockable THotD2 in there! Light gun games often get written off but every time I play them or invite someone to play them they're having the time of their life.
>nice just to have a reason to use it.
Underrated part of console discussion, they're fun to use. I like that they are all different and little things like how 2D elements are rendered and how the sticks feel are important to me, so I appreciate having "excuses" to fire up a console. Whether it be a port of a game or a new piece of homebrew.
>yeah i think that this console generation is the most fun to talk about
One of for me as well.
>i always forget but the ps2 was better at a few things
Lots of people do! The PS2 could do some really nice effects, particles like you mentioned were where it shined, other developers exploiting the same hardware that let particles fly with greater density without dropping a frame would pull off all kinds of effects, reflections, blurs, lighting, in some cases this makes the PS2 version the best (SpyHunter) in others it's just fun to see the difference. This same basic concept goes for all consoles to me, I want to see how things are achieved on Saturn or TurboGrafx, I like seeing how Dreamcast processes things differently than PlayStation, it's cool and fun.

>>716149962
yeah im pretty sure it was zero gunner. i also tried mars matrix but got filtered towards the end of the game and just didnt find it enjoyable, zerogunner on the other hand was something i would try to get people to try who arent even shmup fans but just want to try something different.

does the cable only work with ps2 or is it compatible for other consoles? when you say do a lot with it it makes me wonder.

if there is a way to get better image out of a ps2 i would want to try it. i would say if the ps2 had the graphics of the gamecube or the xbox out of the box i would probably be saying it was the top console of that gen despite preferring the xbox and gamecube. to me it was that big of a deal. i play the ps1 and give those games a pass because of how much older the console and games are. but a 2001 console really shouldnt have looked like that, and it obscures and hides a lot of the detail that the devs put into the models and environments and you can see it on youtube when someone emulates the game.

light gun games were based. they were very common growing up and i assumed they, like arcades would always be around. unfortunately i was wrong. time crisis and hotd in my home towns bowling alley is a fond memory of mine or the movie theater. i feel the same about how mechwarrior 3 and 4 let you use a joystick on your pc to control it. as a kid i just assumed these fun games that let you use a peripheral would be around forever and they just dissapeared.

yeah i know people get mad about the concept of exclusives but i think it felt a lot better back then where you could at least justify it in many cases where making the game on one console would end up as a better product for the consumer. artistic vision and such. and it made consoles more interesting in general. and there not being a landslide best console across the board made it seem like the choices were necessary not just more products to own/collect but different tools.

>>716140138 (OP)
>>Shittiest localizations known to mankind
Literally the quality is the same that we get today. You can argue it ruined localization for future generations but it's not the worst. It's the base line we never improved from.

>>716151695
>does the cable only work with ps2
The PS2 component cable is only for ps2/ps3. The scaler is for everything, every console I have goes through it. 10 consoles from 4th to 6th gen. I don't go above 480p, but I believe it can handle 720p. Just haven't used it because I still play on a CRT. PS2 runs games at a low resolution of 512x448 most commonly, but this is the same resolution as most Gamecube games. GC however does scale the image up to proper 4:3 instead of 8:7, and because it's such a small scaling operation it doesn't show many artifacts at all especially on a CRT. This does help present a clearer image.

For PS2 the best you can do is with a scaler like this. You can force all kinds of games into 480p, correct for 8:7 so you get a proper 4:3 image and with component cables like from HDRetrovision you can get a clear and clean image. There are certain realities that 480i from most games presents, and the scaler helps with its adaptive deinterlacing to the point it almost looks like real 480p. Despite all the woes over picture quality and resolution I find the best looking PS2 games to be in a league of their own. Onimusha 3 and The Zone of the Enders 2, Shadow of the Colossus and Jak 2 and God of War 2 present incredible visuals you just don't get on its peers. Just takes a few extra steps to get the absolute best out of it.

>people get mad about the concept of exclusives
I see their arguments but I believe that exclusives are the best games they could be. Even today I think this holds true despite the idea of exclusives being so muddied. I don't like the pretense from total biscuit types about the concept being outdated. There's a bigger picture in their creation and that sort of discourse has muddied the waters. Exclusivity is bigger than just being on one box, it's about the environment that enables, taking advantage of unique inputs and hardware, the budget and tech support allocated.

>>716153746
i think i had the idea somehow that the 300.00 device is an upscaler unit with a built in cable that would only go into the ps2. if it can work with other consoles it would be worth the money i think.

i think there is a softmod yu can use on the ps2 to somehow force it to send an upscaled signal out of the ps2 for modern tvs but i dont know or understand anything about this. truthfully i am not really a graphics person and the ps2 really is the only console im trying to find a way to get better graphics out of. a suppose a second woul dbe the n64. but thats mainly again because i dont have a crt .

>>716144068
>so im sure a shitload of people wasted money on terrible games on the ps2 because the market was oversaturated with them.
Marketing was very expensive back then, so while you missed on certain gems, you didn't buy a lot of shovelware either.
https://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/games.php?console=PS2

>>716154310
personally, i would go to gamestop or eb games and would buy stuff for like 20.00 or multiple 15.00 games because i never had enough money to buy anything more than that. was in middle shcool and early highschool. got burned a few times so im saying it anecdotally because i know it wasnt an uncommon situation and it happened to everyone from time to time. game had a cool box art and looked good from te pictures on the back. sometimes it worked out sometimes it didnt. most of my favorite games from that gen are stuff that i never saw a single advertisement for.