Thread 716141710

Which one filtered /v/ the hardest on release? Genichiro, Margit or Balteus? I think Margit wins out here. The seethe lasted for days.

>>716141710 (OP)
Margit, by a lot.

genichiro and balteus are the most overblown meme bosses
margit is a massive change from the soulshit norm

Balteus. Its an actual skill check unlike Margit who i cheesed with skeleton ashes, fire breath and a flail

Haven't played shitiro

>>716141710 (OP)
isn't Genichiro one of the easier Sekiro bosses?

As always I play these games blind on my first playthrough and after finishing AC I felt like a gamer god since I had no trouble with any of the NG bosses.
Only the one where you have to fight against waves of the mercs I had to retry a bunch of times because my build literally did not have enough ammo to kill all the enemies. So it wasn't even that they'd kill me all the time, I just had to switch loadouts to have enough bullets.


Then I go online and see people whining about Balteus, which I beat like on my 2nd try or so. I had to look up a vid because I didn't even register the name.
Mecha Malenia I also first tried. I think AC6 is much easier than souls games/ER and infinitely easier than Sekiro.

People are still seething about Margit today. Most people have realized by now that Genichiro is a shitter and Balteus got nerfed so people don't get upset about it anymore, but you'll still see daily whining about Margit in the daily ER whining threads.

Most people beelined straight for Margit, because that is where the bonfires point you to. This is why there was such a huge outcry about how the game was too difficult.

>>716142587
Fighting him at a low level is very hard though.

Ask yourself, which one was fun. And it was only Balteus.

>>716142559
You have 2 summons against Margit.

TWO!

Who the fuck cant beat him?

>>716142081
Balteus isnt skill check. You can beat him easily (release Baltus) with machine guns and blade. Genihciro is the actual skill check because he teaches you how you fundamentally play the game.

Genichiro is the greatest FromSoftware skill check. Him and Sword Saint Isshin are the most honest bosses they've ever made.

>>716143136
What do you mean by honest?

>>716142930
if you go straight there only leveling off of the few enemies in your way with starting gear he's pretty hard even with summons. he shouldn't be something you struggle with after a few attempts but he has so many of those "delayed by exactly the number of frames in a roll" attacks that I don't blame people for not liking him. I fuck him up solo with starting gear every time now but I still think hes a slog to fight.

>>716142321
When playing Sekiro the first few hours can be played like Dark Souls with just dodging and attacking openings. Once you fight Genichiro the second time tho it pretty much makes you rethink how you've been playing and forces you to understand the game is really designed to be played like a blood thirsty crackhead outside a 7-Eleven. The game pushes that hesitation is defeat. I think when first playing the game Genichiro can be seen as the first real challenge just due to lack of knowledge and thus literally filters those that can't get rid of the Dark Souls slower methodical mentality. But compared to later bosses then yeah he is pretty simple.

>>716141710 (OP)
/v/ got completely btfo by Margit on release and they’re still seething about him to this day. He exposed so many “souls veterans” as being unable to adapt to new mechanics. People like ENB got completely mind broken by ER because they still try to play the game like it’s DS1.

>>716143359
>being unable to adapt to new mechanics
That is not the lesson margit is teaching.
He's just a sign that says: turn around, come back later when you're stronger.
If you brute forced him then you're literally one of the people that are too stupid to adapt.

>>716143453
>turn around, come back later when you're stronger.
This is incomprehensible for the average /v/edditor. They think leveling up and using an upgraded weapon is an unfair advantage.

>>716143201
Straightforward. No bullshit. Sword Saint Isshin especially doesn't have any gay gimmicks. It's not a frustrating fight, it's fair and balanced. His attacks are easy to read with direct, distinct counters.

Everything he does tests you on if you've learned and internalized the game's mechanics. You don't go up against him, get rekt and get mad at the game. You realize you fucked up. Can't say the same for a lot of bosses in rollslop titles like Elden Ring.

Elden Ring doesn't have filters because you can just summon someone to carry you.
Balteus is actually hard as fuck, and even harder if you have shitty weapons. At that point you are still trying new thingsy and with a bad load out you basically lost

>>716143453
But I didn’t brute force Margit, I brute forced the Tree Sentinel as soon as I exited the tutorial instead.. I was probably under leveled for Margit but surprisingly didn’t have much trouble with him. I did however get filtered by Godrick, which is hilarious in hindsight, due to being way too squishy and had to go explore and level more before coming back to beat him.

>>716141710 (OP)
By the time you fight Balteus, you already have the skills and tools to beat him, just requires some trial and error to figure out his patterns and the right build.
The real filter of AC6 was the filtercopter.

Margit is only hard if you didn't explore Limgrave at all, I beat him without even using ashes and I am not particularly good at these games.

Who is Balteus? I can't remember

>>716144178
Trvke

I remember the Filtercopter threads a few hours after the game dropped from retards who didn't learn to use assault boost. Fun times.

I just got reminded how hyped I was that flails were added to Elden Ring...


and how disappointed I was to actually use them.

>>716144226
Oh okay he's the guy when you first mert Ayre. He was the first boss that forced me to change my loadout, he was pretty hard but I'd still rank Genichiro as harder

>>716141710 (OP)
Genichiro is easy, I was overleveled by the time I fought Margitt, and I have never touched AC

>>716141710 (OP)
Balteus, since it's a very early boss when you have very few parts options, and you can't summon help unlike Margit.

>>716146243
AC is actually really good, but I'm a big mecha fan so my opinion may be biased

ENTER

>>716146718
The weirdest thing about this one is he's the boss that plays more like a dark souls boss, big guy that you can't parry and have to avoid his attacks, except you have infinite stamina so it's easier. Idk why it filtered so many

>>716143453
>He's just a sign that says: turn around, come back later when you're stronger.
I turned around and found a great sword then raped him at the same level I was when he was raping me.

>>716143824
I beat Balteus with double zimmies.

ER can be both From's easiest and hardest game depending on how much optional content you do. They really had a lot of trouble balancing the difficulty with the open world formula

>>716143010
>You can beat him easily (release Baltus) with machine guns and blade
doing that as a new player actually requires braincells and imagining how the huge flurry of missiles will move around in a 3d space
people are whiny and stupid so they moaned hard enough until balteus got nerfed to the floor

>>716142081
>Haven't played shitiro
then how do you know you don't like it?

>>716146718
Just fight him like a Dark Souls 1 boss ie, circle strafe and dodge around his attacks and chunk his health when there's an opening.

>>716147397
Nonsense. It's the only From game with a semblance of balance

>>716147586
What is your webm trying to convey

>>716141710 (OP)

AC6 basically began with this motherfucker. It filtered even me and i was a veteran of the series playing all the games for years when i couldn't adapt to the new control scheme 6 uses at first.

>>716146929
>big guy that you can't parry and have to avoid his attacks
You can parry all his non-perilous attacks, except for the dropkick its pretty decently rewarding
> Idk why it filtered so many
well put it this way
DS3 is a lot more braindead, you can just roll in any direction and the timing of attacks barely matters most of the time. You also have a fuckton of estus for the most part and can trade all the time with bosses past the early game
Sekiro has much less dodge iframes on the normal dodges which require actual evasion so thats one thing. The forward dodge has more iframes if someone is playing it like DS3 just rolling forward, but it takes longer to recover which fucks them up with the next element. Ogre has a handful of different grabs at different timings so you either need to react precisely OR have good movement (ex: backdash early and hold sprint to evade the next one). Ogre has a decent bunch of health and deals very high damage, you really want to be landing lots of hits in a row in between his attacks with the help of your infinite stamina pool

It is actually a little bit like in souls except a completely opposite version, similar logic to how people endlessly moan about "DoH being a souls boss" when hes perfect for sekiro

>>716146718
I didn't fight him until after Lady Butterfly, so I didn't get to experience it the same way as everyone else.

>>716147724
That nothing in Sekiro is well tuned and balanced

>>716147724
i dont know but i always thought sabimaru by itself was really cool but painfuly underpowered outside of big bosses
However, if you have the Living Force skill, it gets way better after flame vent, youre basically dual wielding fire and poison, and you should apply burn quite faster than with normal sword slashes

>>716147784
>DS3 is a lot more braindead, you can just roll in any direction
False, I'm not bothering with the rest of the post

Margit's moveset is incredibly unfair if you bee-line to him. First trying him is unlikely. Elden Ring in general has retarded movesets for how shit the player moves and fights. Mastering the fights is cool and all, but it doesn't change how bad it looks when you sit down and look at all the shit bosses can do vs. what you can do. Sekiro has the best balance of any FROM game.

I practically didnt struggle with release AC6 at all, balteus/helicopter/juggernaut etc were all like 1-3 attempts, sea spider took 5
But this ayre bitch killed me like 20 times. Maybe it was because i played until 3am and got tired

>>716147724
Probably he means to show that Sekiro is an unbalanced piece of shit with awful itemization

only an npc could be filtered by Margit because it means that when dropped into a big open world they went straight towards where the game told them to go like good goys instead of going to explore elsewhere first

>>716147793
It's their best balanced game, it's just also their hardest but that doesn't mean it's unbalanced

>>716141710 (OP)

Armored Core 6 heli in the prologue mission.

Holy fucking shit what the hell were they thinking?!

>>716141710 (OP)
Margit but only because way more people played Elden Ring than the other two

>>716147784
>Goes on an unhinged rant about Souls
What is with Sekirofags and seething about Souls?

>>716147791
same, I'm surprised this wasn't the experience of most players, but even without doing the estate first I still find it hard to believe that many people actually struggled with the ogre

>>716147918
>False, I'm not bothering with the rest of the post
I literally just first-tried slave knight gael's 2nd phase in my first playthrough of DS3 by rolling forward like a retard and accidentally trading lots of times into backpedals to chug an estus. Only died once because i tried to katana-parry him for the heck of it when i was at 1/10 health because i thought it would look cool. Nearly all the generic rollslop bosses can be beaten in 1-3 tries if you arent slow on the brain and just roll forward. Dont tell me you struggle with the most dumbed down game of the series
https://files.catbox.moe/c45o6u.mp4

>>716147974
It's funny how different people have trouble with different bosses. I 1st tried Ayre and C-Spider.

>>716148010
>It's their best balanced game
No it's not
The balance is awful. The only useful thing is basic attacks and fire
All the combat arts are trash except 2
All the buffs are useless
It's also not hard

>>716148038
...how?
Genuinely.
Are people just fucking trash at video games?

>>716141710 (OP)
Balteus, also got nerfed by far the hardest.

>>716147974

>want to side with Carla and Chatty
>get FUCKYOU difficult ex-waifu boss battle

I still can't believe they make you kill your own love interest in that ending.

>>716141710 (OP)
In Margit's case it was ridiculous because most of the bosses in the game are piss easy compared to him and in his second encounter he dies like a bitch.

>>716148125
>Bloodstain on the ground
>>I literally just first-tried
>Player has to space explosions and avoid lightning while also dodging in the direction of capes
Lying shithead

>>716148075
fromsoft induced melties are my favorite melties

>>716148075
its obviously because DS3 (the game that had previously sold the most) was the game that was last played by majority of people jumping into sekiro
If from makes another sekiro-style game except where just parrying everything doesnt work and your defense needs to be more one dimensional, then that post would probably be comparing their newer game to sekiro to exemplify how people too used to sekiro's one dimensional things would get fucked over

>>716142081
>Haven't played shitiro
Probably the most depressing post I've seen in months. Sekiro is absolute peak FROM and you're missing out.

>>716148297
I 1st tried her, she is not difficult

>>716148435
>to be more one dimensional
less one dimensional*

>>716148242

Show me the block, parry and roll buttons that has been burned into my brain for a decade.

Seeing hundreds of people here wake up that launch morning to Armored Core's "holy shit dodge the goddamned rockets!!" was fucking hilarious two years ago here.

Pic related was the week after online.

>>716148125
All of those dodges have a very important directional component and wouldn't be effective otherwise. The player in the video has to abide to spacing and account for area of effect and multi-projectile attacks
This fight alone is more complex than abything in Slopkiro where you stand still and actually press a button at the right time
>Dont tell me you struggle with the most dumbed down game of the series
I didn't, i have all Sekiro achievements

>>716146718
based
in reality you can avoid like half of his attacks by simply not locking on and swinging your sword at his right side (you will move forward thus avoiding most stuff), but people got filtered hard by him when starting out

>absolute KINO looking gank fight
>>actually its 5 absolute meme ACs that deal literally zero damage and are practically a joke
>>you just need to run after one of them

>goes into absolute KINO looking huge fucking battle, allmind version of the giga coral mech from the ayre fight, two flying sea spiders, and ayre is by your side
>>the sea spiders are a joke and theres no reason to attack them youre supposed to just ignore them and melt allmind
>>the allmind mech does jack shit half the time
>>ayre does jack shit half the time

>iguazu takes over and finally starts the real fight with an incredible moveset, tricky melees and rapid ranged attacks that can actually sometimes hit you
>>except he has no health
>>and he also deals absolutely fucktarded damage
>>one way or another, the battle ends way too fast
>>specially after you spent the previous 3-5 minutes doing a literal meme fight that might take some repair kits
its insane how terribly they fucked up this fight. It had everything to be the most memorable and famous fight of the entire game but its so shafted
They should have just went all in. Make up some bullshit about allminds' protection or whatever giving you piles of repair kits or having them regenerate across phases. Make the first phase an all-out gank against 5 ACs, give you a checkpoint and/or full heals for the second phase and make you actually have to deal with the spiders at all, and keep iguazu the way it is except without retardedly low health and huge damage values. There you go, an infinitely more fun fight that people would have actually cared about instead of being basically forgotten

>>716148301
you are clearly supposed to do the weeping peninsula first (imo the fact that the misbegotten guarding the grafted sword is soldier of godrick tier all but proves this), after that he's no problem. If you immediately go to Margit and get btfo and you still decide to beat your head against the wall it's your decision but the game is hinting you to go and level up a bit before coming back

>>716148435
>If From makes Sekiro but not shit and one dimensional
We have them, they are called Souls games.
Yamamura took them and stripped them of all the nuance of range and committment by turning them into rock-paper-scissor, and the fact that somehow this wowed the action game and combofaggot crowd is even more hilarious

>>716141710 (OP)
most definitely Margitt
/v faggots have never been the same since Elden Ring was released.

>>716148623
this wouldn't have been a thing if fromsoft had just made a fucking tenchu game

>>716148623
>All of those dodges have a very important directional component
i am literally the one recording it, fuck no they dont, i was not giving a shit and i did not give a shit for almost all of the game.
The game with "important directional component" is DS2 without leveling ADP, DS3 is the direct opposite

the only "important directional component" is that this is the only fight that extra punishes you for not dodging directly forward because of these little phantom slashes. And then there was like two times where i dodged too early and got saved by gael being one of the few enemies in the game without retarded tracking

Literally just brainlessly roll forward and you first-try Pontiff, Midir (bar his super fast trust), Dancer (cant do forward if he spins on this one if he spams so just do it away), soul of cinder... well thats what i did anyway

>>716149294
>Midir (bar his super fast trust),
meant to type Vordt here
Midir is the same shit though, he takes no brain, except theres a chance you get instakilled by his phase 2 transition explosion so it only took me two tries

>>716149294
>fuck no they dont
Yes they do. You are so unhinged and actually mindbroken by Dark Souls 3 that you will try to argue against the evidence your brough up yourself because you have an unjustified hateboner, while also gazing the actual shitty parryslop game. I can fight every boss except 2 in Sekiro by running into their face and abiding to the rock-paper-scissor mechanics, but you can't dodge Gael without accounting to where he will linger with area of effect attacks, explosions, homing projectiles, way of the white corona spells and attacks with the cape which exists to extend the attack frames to be longer than dodge iframes. You know that too because you direction your dodges properly and know to avoid his explosion and lightning, you are just insanely butthurt at the game and using tired armchair developer argument like "muh iframes".

>>716148134
Because it depends entirely on your loadout at each specific boss

>>716150219
>linger with area of effect attacks, explosions, homing projectiles,
nta but are you fucking insane
practically everything gael does other than the phase transitiom projectile spam can be avoided by rolling forward
the corona thing is an attack where you roll forward once and get surprised when it hits you on the way back, an then you roll forward the next time you see it then move out of the way of the boomerang

>guys i poster some silly trick someone figured out to cheese the boss in their 5th replay that means the game is stupid
you disingenuous faggots should try actually playing the games you bitch about

>>716142321
For me, he was the hardest boss in the game, by a huge margin.
It's mostly because the combat system was new, and since he is the second boss in the game, I was not yet used to it. When the combat clicks, everything becomes easy.
Genichiro took me like 3 hours to beat, while the "hard" bosses like Isshin and DoH took like 4-5 tries.

>>716150556
>nta
Sure
>practically everything gael does other than the phase transitiom projectile spam can be avoided by rolling forward
Yet you can't show how you fight Gael only rolling forward
>the corona thing is an attack where you roll forward once and get surprised when it hits you on the way back, an then you roll forward the next time you see it then move out of the way of the boomerang
Except when Gael and the spell aren't in sync because the game designed it for the player to slip through the attack and end up on the opposite side
You are full of shit and unhinged

>>716150671
I played Sekiro without charm and with Demon bell and got all achievements in 3 runs under 70 hours
Never replayed it once ever again because it's a solved and boring game

>>716151145
>to slip through the attack and end up on the opposite side

>dodge attack
>walk to the side a little so gael is between you and the spell
wow... so hard...

>>716151145
>Yet you can't show how you fight Gael only rolling forward
get me a savefile right before gael and we have a deal

>>716151595
And yet more involved and interesting than any fight in Dark Souls 2 or Sekiro
>>716151810
Sounds like a copout

>>716143801
Yeah Genihciro is hands down one of the most well designed bosses. 3 phases learn the mechanics or die. When everything you learned finally clicks it's a great feeling

>>716143201
>What do you mean by honest?
Braindead
Press L1 at the right time to win
No true attrition and a game design entirely focused on basic reaction checks as the boss kills himself by attacking you

>>716141710 (OP)
Margit and then Genichiro. No one on /v/ played Armored Snore.

>>716149293
That would require Yamamura to learn how to design a level

>>716141710 (OP)
People got filtered by Margit?

TAKE ME BACK

>>716153956

Iceborne was ironically the peak of the IP before Wirebugs and Focus Mode ruined everything.

Back then we thought the fucking Clutch Claw was bad. Jesus Christ.

>>716151145
>Yet you can't show how you fight Gael only rolling forward
there you go, the whole fight by deliberately almost exclusively rolling forward even when its worse and only getting minor chip damage just because i misstimed it
just died once because i thought i could spam and stun him out of that one projectile explosion
https://youtu.be/Vqx7SjyTJRM

all ds3 fanboys should kill themselves

>>716156207
i took like 3-4 other takes of the boss but they accidentally dodged too much without straight forward going forward, but i can send them too if interested

>>716143359
Trvke

>>716141710 (OP)
Margit by a long shot. It broke souls fags because it's the closest game to a standard dark souls. The other two at least they have an excuse to save their ego.

It's so funny how hard Genichiro is when you're brand new at the game, and how laughably easy he becomes when you actually learn how to deflect.

>>716148075
How can you be that far into the game and not realize that melee on Torrent is literally suicide fuel?
If he was sniping from horseback with a Loretta Bow from a distance that would be one thing, but an INT build trying to do anything with melee against a ghost dragon on horseback other than run the fuck away, is a fool.

Does this dude even have a casting staff?

>>716141710 (OP)
Genichiro because he's pure skill, with the other 2 there are broken strats that trivialize them

>>716141710 (OP)
Margit filtered the most normies

>>716146508
I will check it out some day. Mechs are not my aesthetic but it's fromsoft so I trust them.

Didn't play Elden but fucking hell genichiro was something else. I also think the game clearly peaked there..
Balteus was also no fucking joke as well and unlike Sekiro the whole game is amazing despite getting significantly easier from that point, because you soon get the pilebunker and other stuff.
The thing is for Balteus you could probably cheese it with a tank build (I went max lightweight/speed which left no room for error) but for Genichiro there's no such thing you had to learn the DDR sheet or die.
So Genichiro wins in term of having to git gud, still Balteus difficulty was less artificial (even before they nerfed it) because AC6's bosses never feels cheap or hardcore memorization slop based and I prefered AC6 easily as a game overall.

I've been playing Bloodborne for the first time on PC and beat the second boss (forgot the name), is there an equivalent filter? So far the combat's been fun but just feels like a slightly easier, alternative version of DS3 combat.

I've been playing Bloodborne for the first time on PC and beat the Father Gascoigne last night after four tries, is there an equivalent filter down the road? So far the combat's been fun but just feels like a slightly easier, alternative version of DS3 combat.

>>716141710 (OP)
I went wildly off course from the intended early game path of Elden Ring and ended up spending over 20 hours exploring Caelid before I ever encountered Margit, so by the time I finally fought him I was way overleveled for his area and had no idea he was supposed to be hard. Kinda feel like I cheated myself desu