I'm not playing this.

I asked you to

>bro the overworld mobs are harder!
>bro the dungeons are harder!
have the devs ever played wow? your average player is a fucking turboshitter even in tank and spank content, god forbid you actually force them to pay attention

I'll have a script yelling the big N once every 5 minutes.
Let's see how far I go.

>>716143628 (OP)
I will be, can't wait to play the real classic+, or at least the closest one we'll be getting.

I am playing this

The difficulty in WoW from Vanilla to Wrath is adequate. Not too hard for casuals, not too easy for the average player. And all mmo servers need these kinds of players in order to be successful.
Making everything harder will just make the game more frustrating for everyone.
This approach to difficulty only makes sense after Cata, where the average mob is so easy it's almost impossible to die in the overworld and the game puts me to sleep.

>>716144315
Stuffs harder in Epoch because your character is more powerful. Having access to BC talents will do that. The devs behind this seem to be trying to find a balance. It's certainly possible some things will be kinda fucked upon release, but their goal is presumably to keep the overall perception of the difficulty about the same as retail.

>>716144315
Nigger what the fuck are you on about? Buffing mob health and damage by like 15% isn't going to make the game some fucking herculean task impossible for mortal men, it's literally just there to offset the increased player power a little bit to make it more in line with vanilla kill times and need for mana/health regen after some tougher fights.

>>716143628 (OP)
I am. And a TON of others will. You wont be missed torta troon.

Next you're going to cry about dual spec being locked to endgame and how you need to have a minmaxed tanking or healing spec for leveling dungeons!

>>716144739
You're brown.

>game "releases" in 4 days
>game will probably be playable in, like, 10 once tourists fuck off
Just launch it now and get it over with

>still don't know what class to pick
It's so fucking over

>>716144956
>how you need to have a minmaxed tanking or healing spec for leveling dungeons!
This is a valid concern, however.

>>716144991
No im not. But you're a tranny known as torta and the owner of turtle wow. Either him or one of his lacky GMs. Its funny yall will permaban people for being racist in the game but here you are being racist. Hypocrite.

>>716145308
>yall
reddit is the other way

>>716145308
>lacky
brown and ESL

>>716145210
I really, really doubt the low level dungeons are tuned to the point you are fucked without properly specced tanks and healers.
It’s bad enough trying to convince someone to heal as is, nobody is going to want to level as holy or resto and be miserable doing solo stuff just to not be dead weight in dungeons.

Rate my Prot Warrior. He'll be your tank for the evening.
Not sure if I'll do Paladin or Druid tank instead because Prot Warrior is kind of mid in BC, which will likely carry over. On the other hand, Paladin and Druid are going to be horribly overplayed.

>>716147367
There are going to be a shitzillion paladins and druids, but as always there will still be a tank shortage.
If you step up and make your own groups I doubt you will have any real trouble regardless of what you pick.

>>716147484
I'm sure there will be. 95% of the undead paladin swarm is going to be Ret. And I'm going to have a couple of friends with me, one of which is assuredly playing healer. I'm just thinking for the sake of competition for raid spots and being a hipster faggot that doesn't want to be the same class as 50% of the server.

which class can heal in dungeons and quest with least hassle? disc priest?

>>716143628 (OP)
based

>>716148685
Well apparently they buffed smite so maybe holy priest

>>716148685
Pretty much. You'll still probably want mostly shadow talents for leveling but Wand Spec and Spirit Tap are the goats and right at the bottom of each tree

>>716148685
just go shadow so you can also go dps on the one in a million chance there's someone that actually wants to heal in the group, caster specs for other classes that use int gear like balance druid and ele shaman also work though your mileage may vary.

To be honest, some of the changes sound terrible, like pala for horde/shaman for alliance and TBC talents. However, I have a question: what about non-talent TBC spells? Will they be added too? I am talking about Prayer of Mending in particular.

>>716150189
>I am talking about Prayer of Mending in particular.
I was checking the priest right now and it shows in the spellbook section.

>>716143628 (OP)
It's okay
I am :)

>>716143884
based

>>716150505
Thank you. I think I'll check out the server then.

>>716145204
i'll be going with warlock but i'm wondering if frost mages will still be as strong as they are in the base game.

>>716143628 (OP)
whats gonna be the most broken class with wrath talents to play?

good, I dont want any faggot from here shitting it up.

>>716143628 (OP)
I am

>>716143628 (OP)
ok, I am though

>>716145204
Ret undead paladin, they'll be severely underpopulated

Name reservation/character creation starts in 2 hours

>>716151991

>>716152085
only reason im still awake.

>>716152085
how does it work, do I need to rush making a human warrior with default appearance which I later delete to make whatever I want or have them come up with something smarter?

>>716152568
Basically that, but I doubt the competition will be that bad, unless you want a very popular name. I'll try reserving class names

>>716151678
its TBC talents
probably hunter

>>716152568
You make a char, but you can't get past the character screen.
Like the other anon said it only really matters if you have a highly sought after name.
There are barbershops ingame to change some parts of your char, but idk how much you can change

>>716152697
I used the same name from a light novel for ages, then it got an anime and now it's impossible to get, my creativity is empty so I'll always try to go for it

>>716153359
I have a pool of character names from (older) books and videogames that I always use, usually 2-3 of them are free even in heavily populated games.

>>716153305
Think its the WotLK barber, so it'll just be hair and earrings.

if you are playing in a group, play with warmode on to farm early blood coins, if you are not playing in a group I do not recommend playing with warmode on.
Shadow priest have received zero changes so if you are planning to play that prepare to be disappointed as you are just playing tbc shadow priest, you are missing important spell ranks.
6 weeks of leveling / gold farming / dungeon farming, after that its 6 months of wsg mc and ony.

>>716154347
>as you are just playing tbc shadow priest, you are missing important spell ranks.
This is a problem how? Because if you mean the sp scaling is bad until rank X or whatever, those can always be adjusted if the class seems too underpowered.

STOP SHILLING THIS SERVER WE'RE GOING TO BE STUCK IN 10 HOURS QUEUES

>>716154347
what changes does TBC shadow even need? raids will still probably have a spot for a token one

K I N O

>>716144315
Old world in WOTLK is mega brainless, you literally have to increase mob health and damage by 50% to have some challenge
>>716154347
>le warmode
Oh so it's a nu-wow infected sóyrver

SOUL

>>716154917
They did increase mob health and damage across the board
That’s one of the selling points of the server

>>716154930
the name's font looks like from some mobile game

>>716155276
I don't play mobile games
Therefore, it doesn't bother me and I don't see the issue, unlike a brainrot like you

>>716155276
I think its the Hearthstone font
Not a fan of the logo either

>>716154930
>>716154867
We're reaching unprecedented levels of soul

>>716154759
Probably only on launch
I'm guessing 1000-1500 online average after a few days

>>716154867
Look at that subtle off troll in the background. The tasteful colors of it. Oh my god. It even has a WC3 inspired graphics.

How many weeks until Blizz C&D and servers get pulled?

>>716156942
Hosted in europe so only when the devs want an excuse to shutdown

>>716156942
Kill yourself Thor

>>716157781
I pay a sub
So should you

>>716143628 (OP)
>All kinds of gay cross-faction shit "so you can always make a group."
Instantly dropped

>>716143628 (OP)
would this be a good starting point for someone has has never played wow?

>>716158454
It’s not “true” vanilla by any stretch if you care about that but it’s free and likely going to be active for awhile.
You could do worse, like retoilet.

Should I roll elemental or destro lock?

>>716143628 (OP)
k

>>716143628 (OP)
Who cares.

>>716143628 (OP)
I'm playing feral druid

>>716156761
It's based off the alpha login screen.

Rally around me, heroes of Azeroth!
I'm gonna play Forsaken Ret Paladin, only one on the server as such.
I'm protagonist, btw.

>>716159121
Enjoy being the most played class

>>716159378
least played role makes up for it

>>716159447
Feral will probably be the most played druid spec
balance is still low tier
few want to play healer/tank

>>716159378
That will be Ret Pally by a mile.

>>716159447
bro feral cat is the designated tryhard autist spec.

>>716154347
what's warmode?

>>716159583
>>716159859
feral is a tank dummies

>>716159583
>>716159859
feral is for tanking stupido

red pill me on Project Epoch

Why do we think it'll be good?

>>716160318
I think there will be at least 1-2 months of free fun for me

Aaaand it crashed

>server went offline because of heavy load
this is going to be a ride

>>716143628 (OP)
QRD? I like old wow but if /v/ tards know about it that means twitch normalfags do which mean the community will be abysmal and can't even do basic mechanics

post gets

>>716158454
kinda where i'm stuck. i'm torn between playing MoP classic, retail, or project epoch as someone who has never touched it before and just wants to dick around for a bit.
i just can't shake the feeling that both classic and project epoch players are going to be insufferable whereas retail players are mostly just going to be retarded.

is there any chance alliance won't be dogshit at pvp in this or should i still go horde if i plan to pvp?

>>716160916
got my oshi name

>>716160712
Wrath client
Level cap is 60
TBC talents and balance with some itemization changes.
OC zones.
I don't think belves or draenei are in the game.
not sure what else

>>716161051
pvp on alliance is abysmal due to wotf and hardiness

shitters need not reply

>>716161112
no reason to play tbc and wrath without draenei also what's the leveling speed like

>>716161112
undead paladins and manlet shamans, some changes to professions that I didn't read and new dungeons

Been waiting 4 years for this shit, got my 2 names lets fucking go

>>716158454
Depends how much you actually care about getting decent at the game. Content is powercrept to all hell and back but questing is still undemanding as ever. Dungeons and bosses will make you actually have to use CC to mitigate pulls and bosses seem to actually demand consumables. I dont even want to think about raid bosses.
I actually am introducing WoW to a friend using Epoch because the core game is still there, but we'll see how that goes.

>>716143628 (OP)
ok shenna

>>716143628 (OP)
dont care

im still playing in 4 sleeps

>>716161051
>>716161121
you can switch racials around can't you? really it's even worse now for locks because everyone can have wotf

I'm fucking ready

>>716161569
wait you can do that on epoch? uh based hardiness is the most op shit in the game

Shill me this as someone who doesn't play WOW

>>716161702
https://www.project-epoch.net/features/racial/

>>716161747
no

>>716161747
Chill epic leveling experience while listening to some epic audiobooks. Later you do raids, 40 cool dudes having amazing time.

>>716161763
oh you have to be 60, gay

>>716161747
It's WoW, but free

>>716161763
>2 week CD on changing racials

>>716161648
handsome squidwarf

>love Shadow Priest
>Undead Pally is cool
Fug

Hmm...

Healers are for girls.

>>716162154
dual spec for like 1k gold or something

>>716143628 (OP)
Don't worry, no one else is either.

Which classes/specs are the most changed? I don't want to play anything that's just "TBC talents with no changes."

>>716162254
True, but you can't really main 2 specs (that easily)

Going human hunter, don't care if it's not 'optimal' based on racials.

>>716162360
I'm probably doing resto main, balance off
Just to be able to farm stuff solo

>>716162435
You can swap racials at 60

>>716162474
Oh that sounds neat, so I can have troll racials?

>>716162454
That's a pally spec you're replying to, lmao

RETAILGODS WE WON

>>716162531
Yes. However, there are 2 weeks cd for racials swap, be aware.

>https://www.project-epoch.net/features/racial/

>>716161763
>getting shit on by Bwonsamdi every time you die

I think I'm playing troll

>>716162628
What would be better than troll racials? Maybe NE for shadowform? But there is no pvp...

>>716162559
Same concept.
He is considering tank/dps
Tank will be easier for dungeons, potentially harder for raids
retri will be better for farming (unless there is some tank aoe farm that turns up)

>>716162713
There's pvp for the ones who turn it on, and also bgs and guru. Yeah, Nelf racial nice for pvp in that regard. otherwise Troll I guess.

>>716162798
I forgot about gnome, the +15 engineering could be something major, depending on what engineering has on offer.

Fuck whoever got Goku

>>716162764
>retri will be better for farming
The most false statement ever, from my exp. Ret i s the most boring for leveling and farming for classic(+). He's great in dungeons and raids if played properly (seal twitsts etc.)

>>716144315
it's going off wotlk balance so mobs need huge buffs to not be piss easy shit where you pull three at a time like leveling was in wotlk
i'd be surprised if it was actually harder than vanilla levels

>>716159583
no one is playing feral druid in raids because being feral means you are legally obligated to offtank (and carry around a resto set/offspec since there's dual-spec) and none of these fotmsloppers are going to do that
they just want to play cat and pewpew like budget rogues

Will people get mad if I tank but don’t really have the dungeons memorized? I haven’t done all the vanilla shit in years.
I just don’t want to be that guy who refuses to do it when asked.

>>716163146
I believe they gonna have dungeon maps like in Wotlk (and TWoW)

>>716163146
No, why would they? For a new game where dungeons have been revamped and no one really knows what to expect that seems like some reddit tanxiety shit.

>>716163234
>>716163293
Cool. Goin for it then.

>>716163146
Just ask if someone knows the place to guide you.
Spergs will sperg but that will happen regardless.

>>716163146
people fiend for tanks in dungeon content, if you tell them "i can tank i just don't know the route it's been a while" they will take you 99% of the time. most people get a kick out of getting to play leader too since it's almost always the tank by default.

Why do people play these OC donut steel private servers instead of just playing retail? It's better and won't be shut down next month.

>>716163687
You keep saying "next month" but Turtle has been around for years as evidence of the coming months, and Epoch is located in the exact same place legally.

Retail is also an entirely different game with different intentions. I play multiple versions of WoW that are wildly different for different reasons, there is no definitive best version of WoW.

>>716163687
>>716164141
I would argue that private servers help retail, and they did for years. Believe it or not, it's the truth tho.

>>716164141
Epoch devs have actually been in touch with Turtle devs about how to get around Youtube bans and such. There is ways to ignore it.

Nost devs cucked hard.

so whats new in this server?

>>716163146
Tanks are always in high demand. Putting up with you not knowing your way around is less time consuming than finding another tank

>>716164561
pride events

>>716163687
community, mostly. it's more fun to play with actually fun people for a couple months than it is to play retail or classic with autistic minmaxing zoomers who speak only in memes and have the personality of a tadpole.

>>716162672
It's more like a 25-33% proc iirc, the voice acting is also really good from what I remember though I can't find any videos showcasing it anywhere.

>>716164314
>I would argue that private servers help retail, and they did for years. Believe it or not, it's the truth tho.
Yup, if it wasn't for private servers I would've never even tried to approach WoW and ultimately play retail for several years.
Blizzard knows this as well.

https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/talents?data=2;0:1:1:1:1:1:14:14:11:11:11:12:12:12:12:12:10:10:10:10:10:5:8:8:9:6:13:13:13:16:16:17:17:17:4:6:19:19:19:19:19:20;1:3:3:3:3:3:1:1:1:1:1:17:17;0:18:18:18:7:7:7:7:7 How does this look like for a general huntard build?

>>716165767
I'd skip ferocious inspiration in favor of maxing frenzy and 1 point in improved mend pet, at least while leveling.

>ten bajillion fotm druid players
fucking hell stay away from my class

>>716162628
>NE just keeps whisp
Truly the most cucked cosmetic racial

>>716164572
Yeah servers always have tank shortages, it's going to be worse on Epoch because DM/WC are revamped.
Get a guild lads.

>>716166292
In SoD I was able to get away with 3/5 in frenzy, so it really depends on the pets that will be available and you're probably right about the mend pet for leveling.

>>716165767
Go with this

https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/talents/?data=2;0:1:1:1:1:1:15:15:14:14:11:12:12:12:12:12:10:10:10:10:10:9:5:8:8:6:13:13:13:13:13:4:17:17:17:6:19:19:19:19:19:20;1:3:3:3:3:3:2:2:2:2:2:4:17:17:18:18:8:8:8:8:8

>>716166443
always remember to do your part and bar all tank-capable classes from your groups if they won't tank. don't enable dps-only warriors, ret-only paladins, or god forbid, cat-only ferals.

Do we know the addon situation yet

>>716166836
Yes, this has been in development for 3+ years.

>>716166836
3.3.5 addons mostly work and there is even an weakauras port.

>>716167107
Noice thank you

>>716145204
im thinking either Orc Paladin or Nelf Shaman

>>716166836
I hope that one questing addon works, the one that adds AI voices to the npcs. It made basic questing in classic/SoD a lot better.

>>716166406
They will all drop the class before they reach 30

>>716167301
i don't see why it wouldn't, but there'll assuredly be a lack of voice lines for the new epoch quests.

>>716166406
Malfurion cosplay tanking shit in bear form and possibly healing is just too good to pass bro, I hope they buff the class

>>716166431
Dwarves, UD and Tauren are good, everything else sucks

>>716167619
most will probably drop before they even reach 20 kek, druid is miserable before catform.
anyway i doubt it'll be hard to find raid spots as a druid as long as you're willing to play whatever role is needed. (and if you're not willing to flex into whatever your group needs, why the fuck are you playing druid?)

my Undead Pally is bready

>>716163687
I don't like retail
I'm bored of normal Classic
I did everything in SoD
I don't want to play MoP

I'll play on TWoW/Epoch until they add their own Classic+ and then I'll try that. Though I have to say, the community on private servers is much better and there's far less bots

>>716157820
My sub pays me

https://www.project-epoch.net/classes/talents?data=1;0:7:7:7:7:7;1:1:1:1:1:1:14:14:14:4:4:9;2:4:4:4:4:4:9:9:9:11:11:7:7:7:7:7:10:14:14:14:15:15:15:6:6:6:1:1:1:1:1:8:20:20:20:18:18:18:19:19:19:19:21:19 How is this for a ret paladin? What should I drop the last 2 points in? Should I take 1 point out of fanaticism for 3/3 in vindication?

>>716167619
Most people will drop around 30 anyway, it always happens with fresh vanilla servers after people get their fix.

>>716166406
Is TBC Druid good? I've only played Druid on Classic

>>716168060
>"""HD""" patch
enjoy your broken meshes

>>716168228
Go with this:

>>716162154

>>716168060
>neo-wow artstyle
what the fuck ew

>>716161037
I don't get the appeal of MoP Classic, by that point the game is already "Retail-shaped".

>>716168425
werks for me
>>716168481
i like the new animations but i prefer older models
cant get both sadly

>>716168481
For clarification, that is not in the base client, he went out of his way and installed those models onto the client on purpose.

>>716168334
bear's a good tank, boomy and resto are also pretty good.
cat is still shit as a pure dps though so don't go into it thinking it'll play like a rogue did on classic. you WILL be expected to offtank.

>>716168516
i only mention it because in a different thread someone suggest it would have a slightly better "new player experience" than retail while being more casual than classic anniversary
keep in mind my perspective is "i have played other MMOs but never WoW" so i'm just looking for a good time for a little bit without having to deal with too much bullshit

>>716168060
This is a literal genocide on female avatar players, what if they picked a face thats cute on the old models but is ugly on the newer

>>716162154
Is there another class that gives the kings buff? I was going for a general ret kings buffer build.

>>716168481
For clarification, that is not in the base client, Epoch updater installs these models for you, there is no other option

>>716143628 (OP)
So why are you advertising it? I still wouldn't know whatever it is existed if you hadn't made this pointless, retarded thread.

>>716168759
Nope, still Paladin exclusive.

>>716168745
what if they pick an ugly face on the old models and is cute on the new one? :))))
i therefore win ;)

>>716168759
Holy Pala should take Kings

>>716168481
>>716168745
also i like the tits on the newer models

>>716168845
Damn, this is going to bug me. I see sanctity is 2% damage for everyone effected by the aura, but is it party wide, or raid wide?

>>716168961
>Human male walking looks like idiotic jumping around
**puke**

>>716168742
without knowing how epoch will actually turn out, i'd say it's probably the best way to go about dipping your toes in right now. there's going to be a lot of new stuff and new strategies, metas, etc. and we don't know what things will look like going in so new players aren't 20 years behind on everything.
that's a stark contrast to classic and mop classic where everything is already known, set in stone, and you will be expected to know absolutely everything going in and bitched at if you do anything remotely suboptimal. not to mention the disgusting community.
i would never recommend anyone who's never played wow to play anything official. probably wouldn't recommend epoch either but if you're already looking to play it's likely the best move.

>>716168970
Raid

>>716169140
>he plays human male
ick

>>716168768
D R O P P E D
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P
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>>716168970
ALL aura buffs are raidwide, and most were nerfed to compensate this (Crit auras going from 5% -> 2%)

>>716168745
I'll never forgive those """"HD"""" models even though I stopped playing the game in Cata. Entirely because they nerfed the shit out of orc girl booty.

>>716168742
Retail is dogshit new player experience. Not recommended at all
Anniversary/Official Classic is infested with bots and at least when I played, the players are so fucking autistic that even people who know all dungeons front to back can get flamed. I don't recommend, especially if you want to tank
I never played MoP, so I don't really know. But like Classic, the servers are filled with bots. It might be better on the playerbase issue, but I really can't say
I would recommend Turtle or Epoch, Turtle is looking to be quite a bit less "blizzlike" than Epoch. For a new player this probably doesn't really matter that much, but the custom content can be pretty jarring even for newbies.
I played on Turtle with a guy who only played a bit of Retail and Classic before bouncing off both, and he really enjoyed it. I think Epoch will be a good starting point for a new player

>>716168768
ehhh? i opened it up to check and i don't see the HD models

I'm looking forward to the revamped leveling experience with new quests, class changes and stuff but I'm really bummed out about it being a PvE server. You only get 5% additional XP for flagging so there won't be a whole lot of PvP activity. We already have Turtle WoW for PvEfags, why does this have to be a PvEfag server as well? What a waste.

>>716169557
>>716169179
well, i guess it doesn't hurt to give epoch a shot. thanks for the advice lads

Is there 100% quest item drop rate or 33% as in original Vanilla? And movement speed, still too slow, or adjusted a bit?

>>716169779
>33% as in original Vanilla
More like .33%. There's no way in hell vanilla drop rates were 33%

>>716169754
Keep in mind, if your MMO experience is something like FFXIV, you might be bored by the gameplay since it's a lot of traveling and repetitive combat.
If it's something like OSRS, you might really enjoy it

I need a name for this cumslut that I will openly ERP on.

>>716169628
It's a shitposter mocking my response >>716168602

>>716169943
galaxina

>>716169943
iamtrans, intransition, femboyirl

>>716169898
For quest items only, read again

>>716168742
Classic is completely fine for new players, it's not that hard. Especially if you've played other MMOs before. It's a long, chill adventure.
Retail is also fine if you like hard instanced content and complex classes, but the new player experience is awful.
MoP is this weird in-between thing, it's a "Retail-like" but with less content. Unless you're nostalgic about Pandaria, so not your case, I wouldn't play this version of the game.

Epoch is probably going to be a good place to start. Or Blizz Classic... but the problem with Classic is that it's extremely unbalanced AND completely solved. So every raid comp is going to have 30 warriors in them, it's stupid.
Don't play Retail unless you know what you're getting into, or you have friends who can guide you through its bullshit.

>>716169927
i've played runescape on and off since 05 or so lmao
it was the only thing i could play on my abysmal dogshit rural dialup

>>716169695
i'm of the opinion that servers should all have forced pvp for the first 2-3 weeks, then make it opt-in once the initial rush has worn off. the best pvp is when everyone is still leveling so most fights are fair and there's not much in the way of twink ganksquads or bored level 60s camping sentinel hill. past that, no one cares and all the serious pvpers are in BGs and shit.
but i guess that's a pipe dream.

>>716169943
Holyladylight

>>716170085
I'll do you one better, just make high level characters unable to kill gray levels, problem solved.

>>716169779
All quest data including rewards AND DROP RATES have been reverted to their 1.12 state. And what the fuck do you mean movement speed, it has literally never been changed in any version of the game ever fucking retard.

>>716169779
Every quest in Vanilla has different droprates, what are you on about? Some are 100%, some are 1% or some shit

they should release the server only for ME!
only for ME!
I am the only person that should be able to play! ME! ME! ME ! MEEEE!
only ME! EPOCH! RELEASE IT FOR ME!

>>716170192
Moving in vanilla, moving in tbc, and moving in wotlk is way too different. Or is it that only on TWoW I move like a snail???

>>716170309
retard!

>>716169943
Madefororcs
Orcboysonly
Greened
Tugsforzugs

Going early furor for leveling is bait right? You're not gonna powershift while leveling since you'll drain your mana 100-0 every single mob, right?

>>716143628 (OP)
which class to play if I want to play solo all the way to 60?

>>716170229
Yes, but in Wotlk its 100% drop rate for quest item

>>716170159
doesn't really solve the twink problem. a 40 in questing greens and a fully twinked out 28 are both equally insurmountable for a 20.
if bored fags can't kill lowbies on their main they'll just make a twink rogue.

>>716170386
no is not retard

>>716170379
Hunter or Warlock

>>716170379
Pet classes are the most straightforward

>>716170386
I don't believe that for a second. It'd be nice so I'd have 1 more thing to bitch about for WotLK, but that sounds like some private server shit

>>716170440
There is nothing wrong with twinking, if you don't like them just outlevel them.

>>716170159
This doesn't solve twinks, which are just as bad as max level characters roaming through level 30 zones. I don't know what the solution could be to be honest, other than completely revamping PvP from race-vs-race to a PK/GvG system similar to Lineage 2.

The fresh locust hordes will devour the game and leave it dead in ~six months at most, even with new content. I can already tell the community is the type to tryhard steamroll through all the challenging instanced content before the server devolving into afk raidlogging in stormwind once a week.

It'll be a fun 6 months at least

>>716170379
hunter, warlock, feral druid.
hunter and warlock are easily the strongest levelers as pet classes, and druids have both self-sufficiency and stealth.

Its TBC Balance you mongoloid retards, just follow the poopsock balance of TBC as classic TBC and every pserver did.

>>716170685
well yeah? still playing it though

>>716170589
>>716170585

Is anyone else instantly disconnected as soon as you login?

>>716170769
There are enough changes to the classes, especially in regards to party buffs mostly being raid wide now. Plus the itemization will be completely different

>>716170685
Leveling is the fun part, so yeah, people will drop it once they've leveled. I might stay if it's good enough and I'm excited for the Uldum raid or whatever, but what do you expect people to do? Level an endless amount of alts?

>>716170878
>Level an endless amount of alts?
N-nobody would do t-that, am I right? Haha

>>716170862
ITS STILL TBC BALANCE AT lvl 60 JACKASS
ENJOY LOSING A SPOT TO ONE RESERVED SPEC

>>716170685
Sounds like a good time to me.
Wasn’t planning on dedicating years of my life to it.

>>716170685
So just like every other WoW server in existence?

>tfw want to level two or three alts but not a neet anymore so I'm lucky if I can get a 60 in a month
life is suffering

>>716171073
nah you don't need to have 5 shamans to buff every group anymore
things are definitely different

>>716168905
I wonder if we can skip benediction then? Since Sanctified judgement will give you 80% of your mana back from using a judgement. Having buffed might could be nice.

Its so fucking over twow bros... we had a good run

>>716171073
There's already been a bunch of scaling adjustments as well as talent changes dumbass. Niggas really see (expansions) mentioned and become completely unable to perceive breakfast.

>>716171245
Benediction lowers targets stats by 5/10/15%, BoK add 10% stats to allies. What are correlation you implying?

Also, regardless this, can someone riddle me this - pic related:
>Last talent in Destro = Demonic Sacrifice (FELGUARD)
>Last talent in Demo = Felguard
Doable, or just wtf?

Why no additional races like goblins and high elves?

>>716171506
>doable?
no they're just retards who only care about a few select classes

>>716171586
Oh, i think i get now, they just reused the same description as when it was in Demo, LMAO!

>>716170585
By your logic, there's nothing wrong with max level characters ganking level 40s either, "just quest in a different zone".
They could maybe normalize gear in PvP, similar to Retail... but that would also suck.

>>716171580
will probably come at a later date

>>716171506
they just haven't updated the tooltip on the website since it used to be a demo talent.

>>716171506
just a consequence of sac getting moved from demo to destro

>>716171506
They changed around the talents without modifying them. Or maybe it's just a tooltip error.
Regardless, I wish to know why can't I sac my demon as Affly. I can understand that it was a bit nonsensical to have it relatively deep in the Demo talent tree, but this seems silly.

>>716171671
>>716171679
kk, i literally got it the second i posted lol
Thx anyway, bros

>>716168961
>>716169628
a simple classic/hd toggle would suffice

>>716171506
Vindication lowers stats by 5/10/15% benediction lowers the cost of seals and judgements by 3/6/9/12/15% If ret paladins aren't going oom you could probably grab improved might instead of the usual benediction for that 20% more attack power on blessing of might. Will probably work for leveling too, especially if you have some mage water.

>>716171164
>>716171420
>they think they wont repeat the same
TBC balance and gameplay

>>716171739
I think you're supposed to use Felhunter as Affli? It seems to have the Shadow Bite spell from WotLK that does more damage for each dot on the target, so it might do good damage as Affli.
Hopefully there's some Avoidance mechanic for pets so they don't instantly die to bosses and grief mechanics

>>716172005
Pets are a nuisance in dungeons/raids, getting rid of it in exchange for extra damage it's always worth it imo.

>>716143628 (OP)
why not

so what are we doing till server launch?
im comfy playan on my own SPP server

This is such a weird spell to make. It's pretty funny I guess, but considering there's so few completely new spells, it just strikes me as odd to include such a niche and honestly pretty useless spell.

>>716171940
I wouldn't be so sure that ret won't go oom even with SJ talent

>>716172545
eh it can actually be useful for raids i already see a scenario of it being used on rogues for example as i do remember tardy rogues dying quite frequently last time i raided in classic

>>716171643
The power gap between twinks and regular levelers isn't nearly as big as 60 gankers. Levelers can band together and take out twinks no problem. You're just being a pissbaby.

>>716172657
Sure, but the buff only lasts for 10 seconds. If anything, it's a spell you put as a joke to the raid's retard and you all laugh about it.
Which is fine, I'm not saying it's a bad spell. It's fun. But it is a little weird to add it when they added so little

There is no taunt for prot paladin? If that is the case they won't be able to use bubble/bop to tank some stuff when they are getting wrecked.

>>716147167
Deadmines was filtering people in the beta test

>>716172781
There is Righteous Defence

>>716172545
Now that I think about it, I think the real use is getting a soul shard on a wipe so you can always summon a pet if you didn't manage your shards

>>716172772
>the buff only lasts for 10 seconds
which is more than enough to get a small damage burst when a tard dies
i mean you literally get a spell buff damage for nothing
but yeah its funny to put it on a raid-tard

>>716172781
There's a "reverse taunt" where you target your ally

How do I set up a vm with gpu-passthrough so I can play this?

>>716172545
It's for PvP.

>>716172883
Oh I must be blind, fuck yeah, that'll be really useful, just pop bubble and taunt the healer.

>>716172545
It should have the hidden effect of dealing massive damage to an huntard on Feign Death use

>>716173105
>popping a bubble as tank
Unless you're doing it to dispel raid mechanics and you are coordinating with the other tank(s), don't.

>>716173321
You never used a prot paladin to eat certain attacks/mechanics that would otherwise kill the tank and cause a wipe?

>>716163146
Dungeons will be so hard no one will do them so don't worry

I'm going holy paladin, will tank paladin autists not invite me because I'll take their cool two handers?

I have a friend that's on board to play with me but he only has a Mac. I know twow has turtlesilicon to run it natively. I'm wondering if there's something similar so he doesn't have to blow 80 burgers on CrossOver

>>716174003
Majority of paladins will insist on DPS so most groups will love you

>>716174003
Why would a tank paladin need a 2hander? I may try leveling my paladin as prot.

>>716172813
It was literally just Mr. Smite cause his mechanics actually did damage.

im gonna make a guild called DUDE WEED
when we raid or do dungeons im gonna ask them to post proof that they are smoking weed, because you wont be able to do them sober

>>716174204
I watched some older beta videos and they were just running the dungeons at a higher level than you'd usually run them in classic and it wasn't so bad.

>>716172545
>warlock gets this
>warrior gets bladestorm
haha wonder who the dev's favorite is

>>716174349
TBCtrannies are mostly warrior autists who hates other classes, mainly druids, and the entire dev team is full of german and norf TBC fags who puts Preach on a pedestal because of his TBC review

>>716174736
Isn't TBC famous for being the anti-warrior expansion of the big three?

>>716174736
>devs heckin' hate druids!
>druid is the single most buffed class on epoch
ehh?

>>716174816
Not really, TBC put warriors on a fucking pedestal til wrath where everything was fixed and sorted it out, also wrath was literally the expansion warriors had the best shit ingame and still they whined over paladins who were by now high mid pack depending of the tier set.

>>716174849
I played the beta, those buffs means shit with the garbage gear they made.

>>716174736
>the entire dev team is full of german and norf TBC fags
Based, downloading the client now

>>716174349
Bladestorm is a talent bro. This is just an extra baseline thing

cant decide between balance druid or ele or 2h enhance shaman

>>716174979
Aren't DKs the ones who ruled on high in Wrath?

>>716175054
i'd say go shaman. devs are apparently planning on making changes to balance so who knows how that'll turn out. better to not gamble on whatever rework they do.

Does anyone know if shadowmeld is the one that works like a rogue vanish? If so that could raise the NElf stock by a lot.

>>716143819
I don't know what this is but did no one learn anything from Wildstar?

>>716175216
That's only in Retail, in all Classic versions (including this rework) it's useless trash.

>>716175306
that's a bummer, it looks like if we can change racials troll racials are just way too damn good and if they have bwomsambi too

>>716163146
We don't know what the community is like yet, so there's no telling.

>>716175054
Shaman is probably one of the least changed classes and the changes they did make really suck. Also you're going to be oom in 20 seconds. Druid is a safer bet.

>>716175184
yeah i dunno what anon is on about
warrior was a shit tier tank in wotlk, paladin was god and dk/druid were still way better than shitty warrior
and as dps it didn't even get good until icc25 arpen gear
like oh wow it's big dick dps once you're done farming the last real raid in the expac big whoop
aff lock was god tier since naxx25 kek

Turtle player, might try Epoch. I never played Rogue in any Wow version, and I dont know what specc to choose. Only requisite of specc/build is being PvE focus.

>Have extremely busy week when it launches
>They are hard capping the server to 5K at the beginning
Hopefully the hype mostly cools down after most people being unable to login for a couple of days

>"this expansion shit because class/spec is broken/op!"
>*someone makes balance adjustments*
>"NOOO, why are you changing things, class/spec was fine!"
There's just no pleasing these retards, is there.

>>716175668
Make your characters and reserve your names in the meantime, I guess.
>>716175698
SoD was awful with the classic know it alls. Whenever a change would happen they would lose their shit and quickly try to roll whatever was the new fotm.

>>716175586
just don't play sub and you're good.

>>716175586
combat is pretty much always the go-to

>>716172458
watching the OG 1-60 speedrun https://www.twitch.tv/joana

>Undead hunter
>Tauren druid
Can't decide, on one hand boomkins are fun and I don't mind bear tanking, ya swipe gg.
On the other hand BM hunter in BG's and having pet go brrrrrrrrr, plus new things to solo

>>716175209
Balance will be guaranteed at least one spot in raid just for the aura and improved faerie fire

>>716175698
Different people like different expansions for different reasons. For example, one of the reasons I love vanilla is because of its design philosophy of healers only being healers and not being able to do damage and no one bringing them to do damage. Because of that, I end up hating every single "Vanilla+" project because they inevitably end up as "appease the rets" projects. While there are legitimate criticisms of vanilla balancing, such as hunters being way too weak and warriors being somewhat too strong, I've yet to see a project that tries to keep the vanilla design philosophy in place while balancing within it and not just throw it all away to make a Frankenstein WotLK set in vanilla setting.

>>716176135
yeah, but pretty much every specs has guaranteed raid spots thanks to their buffs. balance is boring and if you enjoy the boring then it getting reworked is a huge risk.

>>716175490
don't you need atleast 3 shams if you want all the air totem buffs?

I won't play it because the owner is a nihilistic atheist that quoted Rick during the Q&A he had.
Cringed me so hard.

>>716175556
Warrior was shit tier at release
https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wotlk/dps-rankings/

>>716174816
Somewhat.
Prot Warrior got fucking mogged hard by both Paladin and Druid being objectively better tanks than them at every single facet of the game, but DPS Warrriors are still pretty alright.
Wrath rehabbed Prot into being a lot more fun but they were still the shittiest tank for basically the entire expansion.

>>716176236
I think they're set on it being boring still, the devs apparently hate eclipses with a passion. At worst you'll get an extra dot to track

Were you guys able to secure your names? God I'm so fucking excited.

>>716175668
It will probably be less than 5k players after a couple of months anyway.

So, no website login, acc just for the game?

>>716175586
Combat with sword spec, hand of justice and windfury is peak fun. You get so many bonus attacks, it's wild

>>716176518
Possibly will go with Combat, but.
>sword spec
How about Axe specc, or at least main hand?

>>716176480
Yeah I don't think there's any site access.

>>716176620
I don't know how Epoch will turn out, but I think sword spec was on top in vanilla with dagger spec being right underneath it

Gonna level as a Prot Pally, sword and board sounds super comfy.

>>716176620
axe spec might get you invited to raids more since not a lot of classes care for 1h axes
sword spec is definitely the higher dps option though, axe spec is basically useless outside of raids since it takes 15 seconds to actually take effect

>>716176620
Sword spec gives you free attacks (therefore free energy) so it will always be good, the axe spec is something to check in game as it's new.

What are we naming the /v/ guild?

Did they gut all the dungeons? Are the ones listed, just the ones they modified (so far)?
>>716176405
I got 2 characters so far, I may roll a 3rd to be my skinner/miner, so I can grab 2 crafting professions on my main 2.
>>716176724
Prot paladin was a beast in tbc/wotlk and people always need a good tank.

Only 2 chars per acc?

>>716176993
Why dont you people ever read things?

https://youtu.be/X7PmFGaCu1E

Older build but looks like Warrior, Rouge and Hunter pump.

>>716176993
2 character max for name reservation.

>>716177105
???
its a videogame, if i wanted to read things i'd read a book

>>716176620
axe spec bleed doesn't stack.
>>716176834
the free attack triggers on your mainhand, doesn't proc combat potency.

>>716177148
>>716177105
ah kk thx

>>716177118
>3 minute fight
fuckin nice

I want to see all the damn profession recipes. I can't figure out what I want to do.

>>716177118
why is it always some guy who has the accent like 50dkp minus guy raid leading?

>Hunters get the disengage leap :D
Sweet I used to love running jumping hitting the 180 an-
>Must be grounded
WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT

Has anyone tried launching the client in Linux?

>>716170379
whatever you find fun

>>716177118
Did they intentionally go with less than 40 or are raid sizes reduced on this server from 40 to 25?

>>716177118
Nice to see BM hunter doing decent damage. I'm really excited to see all the different pet options and experimenting to see which one does the most damage. Watch it be that fucking scorpion like it was in SoD.

>>716172545
Being able to place your bets on who's going to eat shit is funny.
Good spell.

>>716177532
I had to update wine to get the installer to work, but then it was fine.

>>716177718
>are raid sizes reduced on this server from 40 to 25?
This one. Alongside with all buffs/auras applying raidwide.

>>716177748
It's blatantly there for PvP, just drop it on a guy who's about to die and get a major boost.

>>716143628 (OP)
I had never heard of this until now. Wonder what the catch is going to be?

>>716177294
i'm planning on LW but not having knowledge of the recipes each spec gets kinda sucks. would hate to roll tribal like usual and then get smacked with elemental being the new bis.

Never heard of this until now, went to look at the website and their embedded YouTube videos have already been taken down by Blizzard. Not a good omen.

>TBC class design

>>716178770
You mean when classes other than Warrior, Rogue, Priest and Mage were viable outside of niche instances?

>>716178884
>v-v-v-v-viable
If I'm using the same fucking abilities that have been in retail for 17 years it's not viable to me. If the idea is to come up with something new for vanilla+, come up with something actually new.

Never heard of this till now looks super sketchy I don't know I think I will keep on turtling on turtle poooower!
stfu

>>716178996
They're also doing that

>>716179025
If a hunter has steady shot, and a warlock has unstable affliction, and a mage has ice lance, I'm not playing. Simple as that.

>>716178884
>viable
dictated by who?

>>716178189
Yeah, one of the disadvantages of it being new. In retail it's all datamined and in classic it's been out for 20 years so you know everything ahead of time.

>securing name autism
I will pick to play as mispelled names i actually wanted ty

>>716179097
Good for you, I'm glad for you.
I'm sure you wont be here crying about not being able to log on on launch.

>>716179097
Well then you're free to play a pure vanilla server.

>>716179097
k bye

>>716143628 (OP)
Thats not for you to decided, anon

>>716147167
Anon, you are overestimating Vanilla players at large...the shit you'd find in Deadmines runs is unreal

>>716179098
The game designers.

>>716147701
>undead paladin swarm
>mostly ret
Based beyond belief

>>716147701
>>716179827
In a sea of Rettoids I will be the one Prot Pally.

>>716179853
We're going to have no healers, this is going to be a shitshow.

>>716179916
FUCK

Are the racial changes cross faction? Like, if I were a tauren feral druid, once I do the racial quest or whatever, I could get Nelf racials?


>>716145204
Going Nelf feral druid.

>>716179916
don't worry i'll be healing you niggas
in feral spec obviously and if you have to be deep resto for leveling dungeons then get fucked no one is doing any of them ever

>>716180115
yes
theres questlines for all racial combinations for each race

>>716180134
>not an undead priest
Sorry, this is an undead-only chud gathering

>>716179483
>>716179452
>>716179414
>w-we didn't want you here anyway!!1
lol

>>716179916
According to polls the three least popular classes are pure dps: mage, warlock, and rogue. Druids also have a normal rez so bringing them as solo healers won't be so painful. I'm sure there will be no shortage of retardins who refuse to put on a dress to heal dungeons but the balance shouldn't be too off.

>>716179853
So be it

>really want to play a shockadin on Epoch
>especially even moreso because Turtle fucking gutted and removed the shockadin playstyle entirely
>Epoch's going to be flooded with ret paladins
>even if you play shockadin or a protadin you're still going to be seen as a fotm meme

>>716180360
You’re still here?

>>716179916
Will there be dual spec? If yes, how much will it cost, it should be readily available to the local goldfarm moguls that will probably join

>>716180371
Why so few mages? Werent they poggers in vanilla? Are they bad in a TBC environment?

Human hunter looks great.
Any ideas for another class that isnt a human? thinking dwarf shammy and some other human.
rogue perhaps?

Warlock status? Curious about the class in general but especially demo since with mobs getting buffed across the board I'm thinking doomguard or an enslaved demon might be pretty strong.

>>716180454
1000 gold

>>716180461
I think its more because of the novelty of hybrid class DPS specs being viable. People just go apeshit over being able to play ret and boomie in vanilla so the pure DPS classes don’t get nearly as much hype.

>>716180572
I might make one to be a contrarian. Also I like making portals.

>>716180496
Just summon carrier class.

Should I level Frost Mage or Prot Pally? Never played either

>>716180628
Probably gonna get an easy raid spot so go nuts.

>>716180535
Forget I said anything.
Fine, I will heal you bastards. I will probably be playing Priest or Paladin(Holy). What faction are guys planning to join anyways?
>>716180572
>hybrid class
Shouldnt be a problem to begin with.
That being said, are there any major changes on mages? I remember liking Arcane in TBC

>>716180461
Mage has a frost talent that increases their damage by 18% against fire immune targets
Which means that tier 1 is going to be nothing but frostbolt spam
People are tired of frostbolt spam

>>716180241
Undead priest here, not a single heal binded, too busy being Palpatine

>>716180692
If it works as it does in vanilla, both are good AoE grind specs on later levels

>>716180768
Im all about pressing one button if it gets the job done I just wanna coast and make food and portals. That sounds great to me.

>>716180416
Feel the same way with feral druid. It's been my main for 18 years but if Epoch gets flooded with ferals I don't want to be seen as another bandwagoner tbdesu

>>716180496
my first 60 was a lock on turtle.
DESU locks on this server look neat for affliction. Demon seed is always great. Im trying different things by rolling a hunter.

>>716180803
>getting out dpsed by smite priests
lmao. enjoy those zero changes.

>>716180496
Felguard might actually be good because all pets have 90% avoidance to AoE or something.

levelling:
male troll ele shaman
male orc destro lock
female undead holy paladin
female tauren balance druid
male troll fury warrior
male orc bm hunter

I have all the time in the world

I went nelf priest on vanilla classic, suffered through the long slog to 60 only to get bored as fuck when I couldn't find a group for god damn live strat (oceanic)
Am I at risk of the same thing happening here if I go priest again?

>>716180803
Based, my favorite priest spec.
However, I will probably be healing for both the sake of getting party spots and helping with the lack of healers.
I dont want shit to take ages when vanilla had no such issues from what I remember

>>716180891
I'd rather be a Chad zero dps than beta minmax

>>716180925
No alliance alts?
For shame anon.

>>716180761
A few flavor things like a new TP to Stonard/Theramore and conjurable weapons, and arcane is looking strong from what I can tell. They also added this skill depending on how you feel about it

>>716180925
That's a lot you know

>>716180873
few of them will make it past level 30. virtually none of them will be willing to tank, offtank, or even carry around a resto set to fully make use of their class. don't worry about it, people always know who the good druids are.

>>716181073
>Conjure Weapons
Shit we EverQuest now?

>>716181073
Alright, then am going arca mage if I ever level out a mage

>>716181073
>conjurable weapons
Based

>>716181116
Nigga i can only dream
Wow would never be based enough to add a crowd control class.

>>716180968
i thought people would ran live strat just for orbs to sell on AH? maybe the oce servers were just super dead, idk.

>>716180873
I'm a feral main too but I might roll rogue for epoch depending on how FoTM feral is.

>>716163687
Is this a video?
Asking for myself

>>716181064
i'm never playing the boring faction

>>716181319
There was hardly anyone ever looking for a group and when they were it was emp runs
I didn't want to go in BRD, I never liked that place

>>716181431
damn sounds like it was just dead over there then
or maybe you got in late, idk
most of my classic experience was on hardcore and i ran a lot of live strat there

>>716181340
None of them will be tanking and the scrubs trying to play cat will get filtered out fast. I personally wouldn’t base my choice on what other people are rolling when they aren’t going to stick around for long.

>dps warriors and rets will try to weasel themselves into group and roll on the same gear as the tank

>>716181856
I simply make my own groups and don't invite them.

Alright then, what faction are you joining? I will probably be playing on both

>>716181856
It's simple. If you are the warrior or paladin tank just don't take warriors and paladins into your party. Won't be a problem for the first month or so.

>>716181932
I want to play warlock but can’t decide between human or undead

>>716181681
yeah, people are gonna expect kitty to do fury-tier dps and it's just not going to. it didn't in TBC and it won't here. they'll give up and reroll.

>that one priest healer that's overly passive-aggressive when mages and warlocks join the group
I can understand tanks getting angry over warriors/rets wanting to be carried but come on now.

>>716181856
Unless the gear is specifically tank's gear from higher levels, then I never had any issue with that. Even as a tank.
It would obviously be better for the sake of etiquette to let the tanks have it though, I'll give you that

>>716181980
What about troll warlock? Horse>raptor

>>716181932
horde
but I I never get tired of teldrassil darkshore ashenvale so I'll do it at some point
darkshore has a rep associated to it that gives you a toy that turns you into a boomkin for a bit too
meanwhile horde's silverpine forest equivalent gets a little worgen mini pet
unfair, I wanted a worgen transformation toy

>>716181932
i plan on tauren shaman and night elf druid, but i'm definitely maining the druid so alliance. not that it really matters since everything is xfaction.

>>716181907
>>716181958
I'll be playing a clothie so it technically would be in my best interest to let the cockroaches in, but I don't invite them out of principle
I don't really like unflexible players, feels like a selfish mindset and I despise selfish players

>>716182023
The funny thing is, cloth gear often has a clear distinction compared to mail/plate gear, even on lower levels. So anon is complaining about shit for the sake of it

Are there any other mmos with class freedom like Ascension or Rift?

I'm thinking a nice fem undead hunter, with the marge simpson hair.
Can't wait to be the last pickup for the 4 paladin sfk on day one
Me Constantine Constanteen Constantinople and Darkslayerz are gonna have a hell of a time

>>716182145
>xfaction
Wait, crossfaction is a thing? What about wpvp? I always thought of faction pvp a completely retarded choice compared to ffa pvp of older MMOs but it is what it is

>>716182167
Nah fuck em, I don't need rats rolling on off-spec gear.

>>716181980
Human is basic bitch race but so is undead warlock/rogue.
Speaking of races, any plans on custom added races?

>>716181856
>a warrior, a paladin, and a druid walk into LFG
>LF2M tank heals
classic.

>>716181073
>adding in the most unfun mage spell ever conceived
WHAT were they thinking?

>dwarf male holy paladin
>tauren male feral (tank) druid

>>716182289
i dunno how it is in the world but yeah there's xfaction for dungeons, raids, and even guilds

>>716182339
Rolling on off-spec gear is completely different to rolling general gear on lower levels, one has always been shunned and the other one is just accepted as it is. Like no shit hunters are gonna roll for leathershit on lower levels

>>716182398
Worst part is that arms warr can straight up just tank with a 2h, it's the exact same gameplay as they'd be doing, but instead they'll wait 45 mins for a cosmetic tank
People are too rigid in their thinking anyways, you do need some healing, but even then, just 4 dps that shit
fuck it, 5 dps it and use proper CC and bandages, it's vanilla WoW early game dungeons

>>716181856
don't worry i'll stuff my groups full of them so you don't have to deal with them
t. bear

>>716182398
>>716182552
The reason why so many people don't play tank isn't because of some perceived gameplay barrier or rigid thinking, it's because tanks are expected to know the dungeons inside-out since they're the de facto group leader and it's embarrassing to look like a noob in a 20 year old game.
Most people don't want to be leaders.

Healers have no excuse though, healing's fucking easy.

>>716182552
>it's vanilla WoW early game dungeons
They upped the difficulty, tho.
Maybe it's a nothingburger but I wouldn't make too many assumptions.

>>716182438
I have a friend flirting with the idea of rolling a mage, he's never dealt with RoP and I'm trying to warn him but it seems to be one of those vivid pains you gotta experience for yourself to understand

I will tank. I will pull slowly because I'm not used to the dungeon. I will say "lol been a minute since I've been here :)" in party chat.

>>716182498
Damn. Looks like the faction stuff will be minimized. I guess thats okay, faction disparity for PvE is ass in general and alliance barely does wpvp anyways.
Oh well, I will be healing your asses no matter the faction then

>>716182725
i expect the difficulty to be "you need a tank with a shield and a healer with intellect gear" and not "you need to be prot and resto to do RFK"

>>716182449
>Human Hunter
>Human Warrior
>Dwarf Shaman
>Human Rogue
r8 my picks, got tank dps healer and pvper

>>716182758
Soulful vanilla noob larper, based

>>716182758
based
most DPS warriors/druids/paladins are too anti-social to simply say "i'm new to this" or "i'm kind of rusty"
tanking is inherently the most social MMO role

holy fuck I have been leveling a warrior on onyxia (TBC right now), god it is so slow and they feel so anemic. How do you guys enjoy warriors? I'm even buying good weapons. The other classes feel so much more powerful while leveling

>>716182758
I will heal. I'll appreciate the tank pulling slowly because I'm not used to the dungeon. I will say "lol my ping is shit :)" in party chat when we wipe.

>>716182763
it's just a reality of most pservers these days, often times the pop will end up skewing hard towards one faction and forcing people to reroll just to play.

>>716182758
>"lol been a minute since I've been here :)"
I had a retard actually say this in a group yesterday. He also had a latino pocket healer who was absolutely fucking horrible. People were dying left and right, the tank had no idea how to hold threat, healer was worse than an AI. I just fucking left after a while

>>716182679
here's how I did it when doing the new (to me) custom twow dungeons that were out for a couple years
>hey first time tanking this one, lemme know if there's a better route than the one I take
I play well with good pacing outside of not knowing a route so I don't get any complaints
I think the worst thing an unconfident tank can do is pussyfoot around, within reason

>>716182832
Replace dwarf shaman with Human Priest and it's 10/10. 9/10 for now.

>>716182679
healing is great because you can collect gear with your dick in your hand for most pulls.

>>716182857
"dps" feral druids aren't really druids. not going bear as feral is like saying "i don't polymorph" as mage or "i don't kite" as hunter.
faggots, the lot of them.

>>716182758
Based.

>No deadzone, auto switching between melee and ranged, right click auto shot
PEAK levelling
I better find a tv series to watch

>>716182937
Based

>>716182679
and the funny part is that no one fucking cares. you can show up to a group as tank and say "yeah i don't know the way around" and people will still take you because that way the run actually fucking happens.

Healing is great because I can collect gear while dilating my neovagina for most pulls

>>716182046
maaaaaaybe
they look cool in cloth

>>716182046
You should see what a male troll wearing a dress looks like on a horse mount before making one, it took me a while to stop being repulsed by the legs

>>716183264
Also life tap for troll berserking to crap put shadowbolts or giga drains. It's 10 to 30% on epoch.

>>716145204
>Pick Druid
>They buffed Feral and moonbear
>Free pseudo mount and can run basically any role for all content while leveling.
I know what I'm picking for sure.

>>716183369
I forget they are noshoes. Maybe fem troll is better?

Not sure what I'd play even if I played. I usually like going Troll if Horde or Dwarf if Alliance, but I don't have a class picked. I haven't been interested in WoW for a bit anyways.

>>716182832
human hunter seems fine, the rest is basic but up to you
>>716183024
>he doesnt know of the mountain tribe dwarves and their shamanic roots
>the same tribe that goes full napalm vietnam on land dwellers while riding gryphons
come on, its a great pick

>>716183510
Male orc is peak.

>>716183510
not even about the feet, just the way the leg model sits on them with a dress makes your horse look obese. The red triangles are the way the legs look, they kinda spread eagle that shit

>>716183541
could be a dwarf shaman, they're not looking to be as fotm as the undead pallies.

>>716182438
>>716182731
I've never played mage, what makes it so terrible? Having to stick to it like glue?

>>716183683
thats because undead make any class look appealing and paladins are a plague on their own, makes sense they'd pick the race bred by a plague

>>716182731
Only played mage in vanilla, what's so terrible about the rune? Having to stand still would be a pain in the ass but would still work in pve.

>growl on
Check
>pet chasing running mobs in to packs
Check
>running ahead of tank and pulling packs during mana breaks
Check
>tab-targeting other packs in the middle of pulls
Check
>needing on the healer and shaman's leather/mail, and caster's rings/necklaces
Check
>needing on warrior and rogue weapons
Check
>ignoring boss mechanics and getting everybody killed
Check
>backpeddaling off edges into lava or groups of mobs
Check
>lagging behind the group, somehow getting lost and pulling half the dungeon
Check
>pet-pathing asspulling the entire dungeon
Check
>being responsible for wiping the dungeon 20 times
Check
>being silent, an ESL, or throwing a temper tantrum the entire time
Check
>feign death keybinded to 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Check
>name is some variation of drizzt or legolas
Check
>runs out of ammo mid-dungeon and starts beating on mobs with the two-handed strength axe you ninja'd from the warrior
Check
>"Your skill in Two-handed axes has increased to 17."

Yep, it's night elf hunter time

>>716183727
>dps is balanced around standing in the rune
>have to move out of the rune because of mechanic
>cucked out of your dps
simple as

Think im going mage even with the AoE nerfs. I was never much into that shit anyway.

>>716183830
>denies you from the group after seeing the color of your name
lol

>>716183727
>>716183812
>4 yard circle
>baseline so no escape by respeccing
>if you have to move bye bye dps
>class will be balanced around its damage output
>everything now revolves around rune of power because 10% damage buff for 30 seconds can't just be ignored if you care at all about your performance

I have some WoW noob zoomer-brained friends who are willing to give Epoch a try, so I figured I'd play healer and shepherd them into good group content.
The problem is, all the healers look hella boring and seem to have drawn the short straw on cool custom changes. I'm considering just rolling resto druid because the idea of swapping to a weapon with decent Feral AP and larping as a terrible cat druid when healing isn't needed appeals to me more than spamming lightning bolt / wrath / smite / holy shock.

>>716180849
mages can also make conjured intelligence weapons for weapon training for some reason

I'm gonna play it "solo exclusively and ignore everyone" challenge

>>716183830
>Everyone jumps off ledge in dungeon
>Hunter in mid air hitting FD
Legolazz: run
>His pet Cat "Cat" running at mach 5 through 40 mobs

>>716184040
if you want to be your friends' guide you gotta play tank dude
unless one of them specifically wants to tank, that is

>>716184004
nta, give it some time. Players will likely complain about this shit as well as other things so they will probably rework that at some point

>>716183683
I probably wouldn't mind Dwarf shaman, I always liked the Shaman aesthetic on them. Though as previously mentioned, Shaman doesn't feel like an especially changed class, which would be the only point against it for me.

I'll probably regret playing the overrepresented undead paladin but it seems the most tempting.

I'll also play prot and not invite a single ret paladin to my groups.

>>716183830
I hate Hunters so much it's unreal.

>>716183830
>>716184198
The most fun I've unironically had on Turtle was pretending to be a noob/pretending to be the most stereotypical huntard and just pretending to be a giant fuck-up in dungeons while constantly apologizing and being "wholesome"/"innocent"/"apologetic" in chat. Can't really get reported and banned for griefing if everybody just thinks you're a retard.

>>716184370
I will find you and strangle you.

Man I can't decide between hunter or rogue
I love both alot
And I'm mainly pvping with sone pve on the side.

>>716184370
This sort of pretending to be retardef behaviour is even better on mmos like ffxiv because if anyone gives you any slight whatsoever you can sicc the game masters on them with game masters thanking you for reporting toxic behaviour.

>>716182758
comfy

>>716184216
One of 'em is already deadset on playing prot pally, so we have that covered.

But being 100% healslut is snoozeville, but so too is spamming your one shitty filler spell. I do suspect, though, that priest will be very popular since smite is getting some support.

>>716184370
There are few things more satisfying than seeing a nice drop as a hunter and instead of passing or rolling right away you simply type "Man that's a nice [item], hm"

>>716184572
rogues get some of the juicy shit
>shadowstep
>cloak
all a man needs to cum

>>716184040
what >>716184216 says
Play tank yourself and ask them to either be healers or safe dps classes like paladin/warrior or braindead ranged classes like mages, Hunter would have been fine but they'll probably fuckup through bad pet stances.
All in all, I got 2 zoomer friends trying to get into WoW as well, one of them is planning to play Paladin and the other is planning on playing Hunter or Shaman

>>716143628 (OP)
I thought people moved out of private servers when blizz opened up classic ones? Aren't they unpolished compared to the actual game?

>>716184291
enhance is gonna be pretty different with the hardcast spellweaving thing, dunno about the other specs since i didn't look into them.

>really like the concept of assassination rogue in PvP
>but Subtlety has all of the incredible utility

>>716183830
as long as they dont do this shit on raids or high level dungeon, am fine with a few fuckups. They'll learn to dismiss pets

>>716184657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFZY41ufI14

>>716184729
Most of the popular pservers right now are custom/gimmick ones that are doing either Vanilla+ content or something like Ascension (Classless) or Conquest of Azeroth (full custom classes in the spirit of Warcraft)

>>716143819
I don't think theres any real problem making the dungeons and overworld mobs harder. Anyone who is interested in epoch has played classic wow before and probably has for literally thousands of hours.
The actual problem is they made dungeon mobs harder along side more mechanics but made dual spec an end game thing that costs 1000 gold. This feels like something someone would do if they have zero clue what they're doing, can't spend a couple seconds thinking about how that choice impacts the rest of the game or is literally just autistic.

In classic wow, you could get away with people being healers or tanks in their dps spec in dungeons with no problems until your in your 50s. Even with how lenient this was, you could still be waiting HOURS to find someone willing to tank and thats also on servers that have way higher pop then epoch is going to have.
In epoch you're going to have to be in tank or healer spec to do dungeons, which is fine but the problem is because theres no dual spec for leveling it means people are either going to have to be paying a ton of gold they don't have to swap specs so they can heal or tank or they're just literally not going to do dungeons at all.
In classic it was already an absolute pain to try leveling in the open world in tank or healer spec, but now with harder open world mobs its going to be even worse so you're going to have to pay gold to go into tank / healer spec to do the dungeon then have to pay to go back to dps spec. I'm sure there is going to be almost no one able to get groups for dungeons until max unless they do stupid cheese shit like mage slow kitting all the mobs or the only leveling tanks will be ferals.

>>716184729
The whole hype around Classic happened because of nostalgia and the whole misconception of Classic being equal to Vanilla.
Neither was true, if anything, Classic showed Vanilla itself was an unpolished mess

>>716184613
ah yeah if you already have a tank then definitely play heals. i'm with you on druid, catweaving is definitely the way to go if dungeons are a snoozefest like they are on classic. if they're not, then healing will be more engaging and the point is moot.

>>716184572
Shadowstepping around in AV in the chaos popping healers is always fun and arena is mentioned so rogues rule there.
Or you can put your big red dong on clothies face and watch them seethe from 40 yards away, I'd go with rogue though, the less hunters the better.
(for me)

>>716183830
>>716184198
>>716184657
>>716184831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTrOc0lfXY

>>716184878
Then make leveling friends

>>716184719
>Hey bro come play this cool game from 1987 called World of Warcraft! Btw you gotta play healer.
In their warped mind, that may as well be asking them to degrout their sink.

Druid would let me do the lame junk they don't want to -- I enjoy the game no matter what I do. Though I do despise tree form and I really hope there's a glyph or something to hide that abomination.

>>716184317
I'm playing prot and my friend is playing holy, we're only letting in the leather club to be our dps.

>>716183642
I like basic, its solid and great to have some variety in playstyle.
>>716183024
As someone who loves D&D clerics and tf2 medic, i absolutely despise priests gameplay in wow. Priest healing is utterly atrocious, and its a big step for me to play a healer in an MMO.

>>716170379
Pet classes for solo, mage for speed leveling (great AoE damage with mass mobs). I've been a Huntard since day one. You can do some great soloing thanks to the pet being a free tank, feign death, traps and shadowmeld if you're an elf.

>>716184936
holy shit I haven't seen this in literally a decade

>>716184878
i doubt you're going to need a full heal spec until close to max level, in early levels the difference between being specced for heals and not is barely anything at all. like at level 30 you'll maybe have 10% bigger heals, 10% cheaper heals, and some extra mana regen if you're lucky. if that's the difference between wiping and not, the group is the fucking problem not your talents.

>>716145204
the uninstall wizard

>>716184921
Well since I'm not playing arenas since I hate them and love AV and Wpvp, ill most likely be going hunter

>About to start studying cooking
>fresh alts names reserved
lifes good bros

>>716185197
The guy who made that AMV died over a decade ago.

>>716185225
The way they buffed the enemies is they all have x% more hp per their level and deal x% more damage where x scales to their level and even more if they're elite. This means they're obviously going to be hitting a lot harder and the fights are going to be a lot longer, which means you're going to need to have healing talents to get those cheaper and stronger heals.

>>716184878
tanking in classic was such a fucking snoozefest with how wimpy the mobs hit until sunken temple. i barely felt my health bar move as a druid, if they made that shit hit 3x as hard it still would be piss easy, you'd just have to stop and wait for the healer to drink occasionally instead of being carried by the 5 second rule.
the issue as always is going to be lack of tanks and not difficulty of the dungeons.

>>716185526
big whoop. if trash mobs are pushing your healing to the limit and you have to drink after every pull then tell your retard tank to put on a shield. a single trash pull is not going to empty your entire mana bar, you'll just have to drink more.

>>716184857
Ah I see. I remember some servers like vengeance having over 1000 people at one point to nothing when wow classic opened up. Switching to a customized classic experience makes sense.

>>716184883
This makes sense as well. As much as I loved vanilla, it was significantly flawed in a lot of places, same with burning crusade. I had the most fun with wrath, but that was also a balancing act with classes the whole way.

>>716185079
oh if you have no issues with them learning the ropes then anything works. Mostly recommended that because some people won't have the patience.
I have enough experience teaching noobs, seeing noob's reaction to their first full BRD experience never gets old so, so am fine with them and a few hiccups

>>716185368
Just make sure you viper sting anything with a blue bar, they love it!
>But they can dispel it
Yeah they'll be doing a lot of that, more buttons to press = more fun, they love snakes too.

>>716185673
I had plenty of fun with vanilla too despite the flaws, but TBC actually made me try new specs and classes, and made me enjoy shit like Hunter or Paladin.
I am not gonna lie though, my experience with wotlk was a mixed bag, so to me vanilla/tbc are still my favorite

So, who's made the /v/ guild? Or are we a bunch of lonely faggots complaining about playing alone in a server full of people?

>>716185664
Keep talking about shit you don't know anything about man. Since you obviously haven't played the private tests you can go watch people play the reworked dungeons on youtube with the scaled up mobs and there were people at level 30 dying to shit in WC or Deadmines.

>>716185836
im tempted to play wotlk, but once i beat arthas id kind of be done. i view it in the same way i view singleplayer games, its kind of the end of wow for me.
that and i have no idea what class i would play. maybe human warlock?

>>716185920
It's not even up till saturday

>>716185948
i've seen the video of smite wiping the group, i know how it works.
people standing in fire with the shitty green gear 15 levels out of date they were given for the beta tests will die. who fucking cares? you won't be using gear that shitty, and even if you die to an unexpected mechanic and wipe you just walk back and do it right the second time.
fucking retards think you need to go heal spec so they can stand in the fire freely, jesus christ.

>>716186124
Oh, cool

>>716185920
>playing with anons from 4chan
I've been down this road before, it's not that great.

>>716185958
same, I was getting fed with Wotlk by the end and when Cataclysm came out, I pretty much had no reason to stay. And with every bad decision added unto the game, it felt like I was right. Came back for Legion and then BFA and it was a huge mistake. Quit retail altogether for good since then

Does it have outland and northrend

>>716186273
no its a classic server

>>716186297
OK cool I was confuseld

>>716186242
I get it, but its only bad when its taken over by the local ERP autists and their dramas, most people from /v/ are otherwise okay or just the same as a guild from people outside this place

>>716186242
depends on the game really.
playing lobby-based games with 4chan (risk of rain, etc.) has always been a good time but anything long-term like a guild in an MMO is definitely a huge pass. i made the mistake of hopping into a /wpsg/ guild once, never again.

>>716186392
I joined a few guilds like that and they were usually decent experiences, but it was mostly just leveling and doing dungeons, I usually give up before it's time to start doing "serious" content like raids.

>>716186242
>Find a rp or casual boomer guild
>Level to 60 get easy groups
>Ditch them to raid and blame whoever has a voice changer or does erp
>But I'll still totally help everyone else guys
>Ghost everyone
Feign Death is a trainable skill, I intend to use it.

Do you Yearn for the Vale like i do?

ok, so how am I supposed to reserve name if the server's offline?

>>716186836
>STV is hyped up
>actually get there
>dead zone for the first week while all the boomers are still struggling to hit 30
>by the time it's populated anyone with a brain is already past it
lol

>>716186978
>I poopsocked my way out of having fun and it's the game's fault!

>>716186836
Yes, when I'm level 40 and have a mount.
Otherwise miss me with that gay shit I'm levelling.

>>716185836
I hear ya. I have a soft spot for wrath since I made lasting friendships there with a couple bro paladins, somehow got into the best raiding guild in the server (its so nice when everyone knows their role and bosses get destroyed so quickly), had BiS gear as a hunter, and 2850 rating in the arena battlegroup with lolbeastcleave... I've also been involved in some hilariously stupid guild drama that reached realm forums and met one of the angriest GMs after a merge. I avoid toxic environments so that last bit made me quit for good. That expansion was something else. Storywise, it was retarded. Blizz loves doing their fallen heroes/villains dirty. I'd love to play with curious zoomers and showing them the game, but I put away those old goggles and don't know if I can hop back into this and do it all again.

>>716187019
>playing the game at a reasonable pace
>le poopsocker!!!
lol
have fun getting to 40 and having to park your ass there for two weeks to get any real pvp going
this happens literally every single time btw