I don't understand why people fixate on MGSV being such a disappointment when this shit exists. At least MGSV has some decent gameplay, what does 4 have going for it? Nothing, that's what.

4 is unironically the best one

>>716153418 (OP)
Lmfao, stfu retard. /v/ loves visual novels and movie games as long as Japanese makes it

>>716153418 (OP)
yea yea you're "da cool le epic contrarian xD" we get it. here's your (you), don't waste all that internet attention dopamine in one go.

>>716153418 (OP)
>what does 4 have going for it?
I like the overall art direction and UI design. Some good music, too. "Old Snake" is pretty memorable as a theme.

4 TRIED to bring closure to its retarded plot, and failed.
5 didn't even try.
no amount of gameplay can make me forget that

>>716153418 (OP)
>what does 4 have going for it
In 4 the story isn't bad but it has plenty of fanservice and moments that make it memorable.
I can't tell you what even happens in MGSV

>>716153418 (OP)
Because most of the current fans were children and did not know/care about MGS at the time. Anyone who lived through 4 and Peace Walker knew better.

>>716156965
>Boss you killed a child... AMAZING! MISSION COMPLETE!
And Kaz being the most racist man alive are the only thing I remember from MGSV and both aren't even in the actual game

>>716156965
MGSV is a good game though, with lots of shit to actually do and play. 4 is the worst of the series in that regard. I would say V had better ideas in it's story even if they weren't executed well, 4 seems to swing wildly between embarrassing masturbatory fanservice and intense hatred of the fans and sabotaging franchise. Which I guess is interesting in a way but this is when the series writing and lore became irredeemable for me. Going forward none of the games had any good stories because they were stuck in the retarded world 4 had made with the Patriots reveal.

>>716157369
>MGSV is a good game though, with lots of shit to actually do and play
It's fun but as soon as you get enough item upgrades/buddies the difficulty vanishes and it becomes less fun as a result
>just don't use them
Nobody's gonna do that, they should've just balanced it properly

>>716157369
Mother of shit taste, Batman!

>sneak on battlefield with PMC and resistance fighters
>give rations to resistance bros
>blow up PMC tank
>they cheer on you
kino

5 is empty, has no boss fights, the missions are copy pasted, the voice actors sound bored, and the story is nonsensical and unfinished. 4 is just short and cringey but some of it is good.

>>716157658
I wish you got to do more of this in the game instead of just for like 2 levels or so.

>>716153418 (OP)
MGS4 gameplay is far superior to V. The MK2 changes the gameplay up, weapon variety is much better, octocamo adds an interesting mechanic.

>>716157369
>I would say V had better ideas in it's story
Anyone with taste would. I think MGSV is a narrative mess on account of simultaneously being the most ambitious and the least interested in telling a story, but the story that's there is far more engaging than MGS4's cavalcade of fanwank Power Point presentations delivered by characters that either should've been dead or never have appeared again.

And there isn't a single act in MGS4 that delivers a consistent, decent gameplay experience. It's as setpiece-heavy as MGS1, but without the sense of pacing or novelty. MGS4 is bottom of the barrel next to Johnny's diarrhea and Portable Ops.

>>716153418 (OP)
4 gameplay is an evolution of 3 subsistance.
If you didn't like 4 gameplay I think you also didn't like 3.
MGSV has the best "behind the shoulders" gameplay but strongly lacks in term of story.
The fist chapter of V is amazing but it stops there for 15 hours untill the next cutscene.
Also, V does not have an ending (mission 51) and this is unacceptable.
Meanwhile 4 manages to continue and finish the story of 2 ( GW , Arsenal , Patriots , a fucking vampire that can run on water, ect... ).

>>716153418 (OP)
MGS4 has better gameplay than MGSV though

>>716158463
4 gameplay is good but there is very little of it. Trying to finish the story of 2 and then connecting it to 3 is honestly the biggest flaw of 4. Stupid thing to even attempt.

>>716158318
>MGSV is the most ambitious
Is it? It's story is dumb as shit - man believes he is someone else and halfheartedly takes revenge on man with unclear motivation aside from being racist - meanwhile some kids and a dead guy appear every now and then and fuck shit up for no real purpose. Man who thinks he's someone else falls in love with woman he's never spoken to and interacted with for about five minutes who he has zero reason to trust

MGS4 is like a better version of MGS5, with all the gadgets, tech, and smart AI responses. If you could make MGSV play like MGS4 with open-world features, it would be the perfect game.

>>716153418 (OP)
>I don't understand why people fixate on MGSV being such a disappointment when this shit exists.
Because PS3 had the most fags.

>>716158806
real man shows up at end and goes 'i tricked you' and game ends - random unlockable audio tape post-game interviews main established series bad guy who says real man isn't actually a bad guy and then gets killed off camera

There was no point making 5 open world. If Kojima wants to make a movie so badly why not make a game entirely out of scripted levels like the hospital or when you kill your zombie crewmen?

>>716153418 (OP)
Nobody plays mgs for the gameplay, they play it for the setpieces, bosses and story, all of those things lacked in mgs5

>>716159096
Peacewalker and Portable Ops fans played MGS for the gameplay.

>>716159096
MGS has always had good gameplay though, that's why they could do all the vr mission shit and then online and the mission format.

>>716157094
>Peace Walker is shit
Name a better PSP game

>>716158806
>Is it?
Yes.

>>716158734
I think it deserves a merit, though. The plot of 2 is so over the top that being able to pick it up, contextualize it, and conclude it is commendable.
Especially considering the strong finale that it gives.

>>716153418 (OP)
Because you retards keep bringing up and glazing MGSV, so of course you're gonna get an equally numerous number of people correcting your dumb ass. Even in this post, you're trying to excuse how dogshit MGSV was and say some of its gameplay was "decent," so here's another instance of you getting told you're a fucking retard that's wrong: you're a fucking retard that's wrong.

mgs4 has more gameplay variety, setpieces unique scenarios in its first 2 hours than mgs5 has in 100 hours

An optional side quest had more impact on me than the entirety of MGS4. It still lives rent free in my head.
https://youtu.be/4-2WrKpo9zk?list=RD4-2WrKpo9zk

Acts 1 and 2 of MGS4 are peak MGS.

>>716159703
I don't think it's that complicated to complete the two.

>Alternate timeline where meritocracy reigns
>Greatest soldier of the 20th century is overshadowed by VR and Artificial Intelligence
>A soldier is born from that digital chaos that achieves his level of skill and prowess
>-Flashback to MGS3-
>The greatest soldier of the 20th century was just a normal guy with good training.
>Happened to be attacked by ghosts, killer bees, spider-men and an astronaut, training him well beyond the limits of conventional humans
>Killed his master for the honor of his country, even after she was at the top of her game
>Turns out Revolver Ocelot knew this great soldier very intimately and secretly coveted a rivalry with him
>-Flashforward to MGS4-
>War is a hellish landscape where neither friend or foe can get you out alive.
>Machines run everything so news updates and RSS feeds basically tell you who your enemies are
>Anyone not connected to the system is a potential target
>AI and VR basically rule the entire battlefield save for some legendary soldiers like Solid Snake and Raiden
>Save the world by immiserating AI and freeing mankind from VR's control inducted by the Patriots
>etc, spoilers

>>716159403
no one believes you as you've given us nothing to believe in.

Retards haven't figured it out yet. MGS4 showed us exactly where we're headed with AI, back in the fucking 00s. A central AI will eventually be installed to manage the world, including war. Technology WILL be so good, that war and economy will become a trivial prediction, and be able to be controlled as surveillance is installed into everything that is produced, be it weapons, communication equipment, computers, vehicles.

>>716153512
And you are unironically an absolute mongoloid

>>716158652
Even if it was true, which is not, you cannot use it because there is literally only one chapter where you actually, really play.

>>716160732
sorry messed up my post forgot to attatch this earlier.

>>716160223
The themes the game touches on and the more subtle way it handles characterization (in most, if not at all, cases) puts it at some remove from the rest of the series. Just look at Eli. We don't really learn anything new about Liquid Snake from Eli, but the way the game seats his resentment of Big Boss into the story's focus on cyclical revenge and identity while trying to distinguish what a younger Liquid Snake would be like is more thoughtful than Peter Stillman's death flag monologue or Liquid himself spelling out the Les Enfants Terribles project to Solid in MGS1. And this is Eli, which I consider one of the more ill-conceived and unnecessary additions to the game's story.

It's still Kojima heavy-handedness, but he's a lot more willing to let things go unspoken or reveal themselves through thematic complements than in prior games which I think counts as ambition.

>>716160124
The biggest and dumbest issue was revealing the Patriots are just the guys from MGS3. This was stunningly retarded, honestly there is no reveal for the Patriots that would work but making Zero and the gang the big antagonists like that was basically the stupidest decision in the series.

People who think mgs4 is good are the ones who haven't played in years

Boot it up on rpcs3 and it's a popcorn movie game with only 1 hour of real gameplay

>>716161064
The Patriots were a committee of wisemen designed to keep the war economy rolling. But the tragedy is, money evolves and because money evolves the people who understand its use must evolve too. This is why Volgin was after the legacy but couldn't quite figure it out. Zero, Big Boss, Otacon, Drebin and Meryl all became Patriots because they understood the GDP of the local war economy better than the Wisemen did from 100 years ago. They were instrumentalized, but they didn't know they were being used to become key players in the war economy, just like how Big Boss and Ocelot didn't know they were being played into becoming international players in MGS3.

>>716160228
Yeah that's great and all, Kojima is a prophet just like with MGS2 and Death Stranding, but the game still sucks.

>>716153418 (OP)
4's gameplay is the best in the series, zoomer.
V is literally braidead garbage for normlaniggers like yourself.

>>716153418 (OP)
4 is literally the best MGS, it is sincerely bizarre to me that this isn't a mainstream opinion
I legitimately don't understand what is there not to like

>>716161314
How about it taking a massive dump all over the stories of the previous games?

>>716161314
the story, everything after the first 2 areas, the boss fights are pretty lame, and the story again because of how embarrassingly cringe it gets in places

Kino

>>716160124
I mean... It's not complicated NOW because the games already came up.
I think that back in 2001 very few people would have predicted where the story ( and the finale of the saga ) was heading to.
Like, the "war had changed" and how it has changed it's pretty cool and connects well to 2 bizzarre events.

>>716161571
Color in MGSV is fucking perfect.

I'm always in awe at how this game took great color theory and wasted it on APCs, SKULLS, and D-Dog.

Act 1 and 2 were good at least

>>716161672
I liked fighting Laughing Octopus. She was crazy hot.

>>716161632
It's very similar to The Matrix, MGS4's story. A war is being fought but it's not a "real," war. It's a simulacra of a war, a war pointing to the real issue. People are being enslaved by an amoral artificial intelligence, and the only way to provide a moral compass is to take the keys away from the machines defending it.

In that way they have a lot of remarkable similarities, which make the story and the plot very digestible. But I agree, at the time, The Matrix was extremely hard to digest, no one would understand it, even if they were lucid about the films themes, the phenomena took over the nation just like MGS4 took over the entire internet.

>>716161672
They're decent at best. They're not better than anything MGS3 already offers. The tracking section in Act 2 is decent but you don't really come up against much resistance along the way, and the map itself isn't large enough for the tracking to be that significant an ordeal. I'm not shitting on it or calling it bad, but if it were placed a couple hours into MGS3 no one would give a fuck about anything in Act 2 of MGS4.

man when mgs4 released
it was a glorious day
for what its worth kojima made the game run pretty good on ps4
the multiplayer was a lot of fun

>>716161064
I actually agree. I think the best possible creative decision was to keep the premise laid out in the epilogue of mgs2 that they were all dead. Their choices and influence having that much of an impact long after they’re gone and the AI forming consciousness surrounding their philosophy works just as well without the mgs3 crew being involved as the conductors. I would still be fine with them being high level chess pieces in the Patriots’ game.

Making Zero = Cipher was so ridiculous

>>716161537
Please elaborate, it is the logical conclusion of MGS where it enters a borderline Dune like moral conundrum.
The natural evolution of systems of optimization is that everything will become optimized even including war and economy, until it eventually reaches a point that it becomes just a phantom a system that is so well optimized it doesn't even serve its initial purpose but just exists indefinitely through self subsistence. In the same way the Snakes were a result of natural selection upon natural selection, optimization upon optimization of basically making an ultimate soldier. Old Snake realizes that the solution to GW isn't to make a better GW just like he realizes that there don't need to be better Snakes, the world is better off without Snakes as utopian as it sounds. It is self aware of how this can't be a permanent solution but MGS 4 basically admits that you can't endlessly fight fire with fire and if it was possible sometimes things just need to be reset to zero, so that the world at minimum stays the same as it was when we were born instead of getting even worse.

>>716161672
How come no one likes Act 4?

It's the best one in the game?

MGS is vastly superior to V though, at least it looks and feels like MGS

>>716162038
I can understand why you enjoy MGS4 so much, you're almost as long winded as the game is.

>>716161921
Yeah them becoming villains and being part of the machine is fine. Them being the Patriots and the overarching lore of the series being a shadow conflict between them and Big Boss and shit over the Boss's will, a meaningless and stupid idea itself, is retarded and ruined the plot of every game from 4 onward.

>>716153418 (OP)
>what does 4 have going for it
An ending

>>716153418 (OP)
It would be cool if 4 had metal gear solid gameplay for more than five minutes at a time, and didn't stop after two levels.

>>716162348
The Boss' will is basically just toxic masculinity embalmed from the The Boss' womb. Just like how she lost her child to The Philosophers, her idea of being masculine was incredibly toxic, which is essentially why Metal Gear Solid is so much fun to poke and pry at because machismo doesn't mean a whole lot when there's a bullet in your brain. MGS4 is essentially a big middle finger to the femme fatale parading toxic masculinity as a necessary trigger for men's entertainment. That's why Raiden and Vamp fight so gaily without even a little pushback.

https://youtu.be/8UMb-ubySec

it’s blatant unapologetic fanservice
that’s why it’s ok
it’s not pretending to be anything else

>>716153418 (OP)
Good gameplay and closure.

>>716162321
I honestly don't know how else you were meant to end metal gear when mgs 2 and 3 established the meta narrative. Did you want snake to just endlessly fight GW like a Saturday morning cartoon? Because mgs 2 and 3 established unavoidably that basically the entire world was taken over by an AI system that controls entire human context thanks to the chain of events tied to philosophers legacy, you can't have a more important antagonist after that reveal.

You're pretty good.

>>716162748
About an hour of gameplay and a shitty ending, great game

>>716162954
Is there really only 1 hour of gameplay? I remember there being some six hours of actual gameplay and 30 hours of cutscenes.

>>716162839
MGS 2 had a perfect end for the series and was intended to be the end. 3 gets a pass for being a prequel

Even with its flaws, 4 managed to type all of the bullshit from 1 2 3 pw and centralize it into a single plot, end it, and resolve it. It's masterful work. V has no fucking story at all after the first hour. It's the complete opposite type of game and game up on itself and it's literally incomplete.

Death stranding while complete, still has the narrative issues in structure V has.

>>716163048
To note, those six hours are if you rush through the whole game and do the very minimum.

>>716163185
You say that as if there's side content you can go out of your way to miss

>>716159274
It has good gameplay but very little of it. Most of the games are just gimmicks and setpieces with the regular "stealth gameplay" typically being frontloaded and and constituting like an hour of content. The games have extremely overdeveloped mechanics that are not meaningfully used

>>716163283
There's a bunch of camouflages, costumes, weapons, gadgets and other missable items in the game that can't be obtained without rotating your saves, or playing through the game all over again.

>>716159335
Portable ops and acids are way better

Peace walker fags get the rope

>>716162047
Shitty roller robots weren't fun. The boss fights were the only saving grace from that chapter.

>>716161041
>revenge story
>awkwardly insert other franchise character and have him be angry at the wrong man in about 10mins worth of content
LA CREATIVIDAD THEMATICA INCROYABLE

>>716163663
Man, if the PS4 version existed still, I would agree with you. But, PS3 rendering the Vamp fight at 15FPS is inexcusable. If you don't have a beefy rig, or you didn't buy the MGS4 rerelease on the PS4 when it was around, then you're basically playing it on PS3, with the lowest framerate known to man.

https://youtu.be/XJdRAZi_gZI

>>716153418 (OP)
>what does 4 have going for it?
It has fantastic gameplay, the best in the entire series in fact
>inb4 muh movie game
It literally has more gameplay than MGS1 and MGS2

>main line
MGS3 > MGS > MGS4 > MGS2 > MGSV:GZ > MGSV:TPP > MGSPW > MG > MG2

>spin-off
MGR > AC!D2 > VR > POps > AC!D > Survive

>>716162839
2 was the best ending for the series. 3 is just an origin for Big Boss and needed no more expansion or explanation for that character. 4 is the one that made Zero the secret supervillain and made the entire plot some dumb ass battle between him and Big Boss over a dead bitch only one of them should really care that much about. 4 and then PW and V are the ones that made Big Boss and Cipher into GI Joe and Cobra having dumb ass cartoon battles against each other for 40 years. There never should've been a game set after 2, either that or just ignore that ending or set the sequel so far in the future it's basically irrelevant. There's no real possible follow up to the end up 2.

>>716164032
>MGS4 rerelease on the PS4
You just made that up

POps is canon in my mind

>>716153418 (OP)
>Far cry clone in third person
>decent gameplay
mgsvfags are retarded

>>716164159
>2 was the best ending for the series
People only say this since 4 came out, everyone wanted a follow-up at the time

>>716164254
it's a tripfag, what the fuck do you expect

>>716159924
>An optional side quest had more impact on me than the entirety of MGS4.
Certified room temp iq moment

>>716164254
Bro, I just googled for some results and the entire game's EXISTENCE is scrubbed from the internet. it's like it was NEVER there.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/03/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots-coming-to-playstation-network-december-17

>>716164394
Peace Walker disparagingly references it, making it canon

>>716164547
literally the first line of that story says it was only intended for the PS3 version of PSN you fucking tripfag cunt

>>716164416
Yeah and they were wrong to want that, 4 showed everyone why.

>>716164672
For context, a PS4 version -did- exist. But it was so obscured that hardly anyone could get their hands on it.

>>716164547
It was on PS Now which sony's game streaming similar to Stadia or Geforce now. It would still run like dogshit.

>>716164717
PSNow was a fucking cloud gaming streaming service you complete and utter cretin

>>716164748
Dogshit that was still relatively smooth, not jagged, lumpy, peanut-coarse dogshit that hiccuped every five minutes.

>>716164145
I consider PO mainline imo
MGS2>MGS3>MGSV>MGS1>MGS4>MGSPW>MG2>MGPO>MGSV:GZ>MG1

Spin offs:
MGS:GB>MGR>MGS:VR>Acid 2>Survive>Acid 1>Snake's Revenge

>>716153418 (OP)
MGO2 was good until they started adding DLCs
The obligatory final fist fight was badass
The fanservice of bringing back literally every character was cute even if it was fucking retarded

>>716164825
It ran just as bad as on a PS3 but you get the input lag from streaming it on top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti7x92ysRKY

>>716165056
Aw, still it's SOMETHING.

If you don't own the physical with an i9 and 4090, this should still suffice. But you can't even get this anymore.

>>716164825
>The PS4 re-release was so smooth!
>There wasn't one
>It's been deleted from the internet, it's a conspiracy!
>No, there never was one.
>IT DID EXIST OK LOOK AT PSNOW
>It's a cloud streaming service using a PS3
>LOOK IT WAS JUST VERY SMOOTH OK
Just kys already

>>716153418 (OP)
there's a brand of kojima fan that is totally non-critical in their enjoyment of his games and just gets hyped when Kojima Things happen and that kind of person slurped up MGS4's hackneyed and kind of depressing plot

to an extent i also feel like the late 2000s were kind of the peak as far as earnest, pure excitement for the future of games and MGS4 being the grand climactic conclusion of such a beloved series tapped into that a bit

I agree though, MGS4 is fun for like two sections and is otherwise 90% a slog, MGSV's plot is absolute hack shit but who cares, it's the closest we've gotten to a good open world stealth game and I saw potential for improvement on a concept there that I didn't see at all in 4's version of MGS

>>716165160

This is canon.

>>716165194
That is technically a PS4 version, m'lady.

Still pales in comparison to the beefy RPCS3 stuff people are boasting on Youtube.

https://youtu.be/n5ofIX7RdQU

>>716165274
you've backtracked so far you've firmly placed your head inside your colon - streaming it off a PS3 is still a PS3 version, no matter what you play it on you spaz

>>716161303
Just for reference they also do this in MGS1 on the PS1.

>>716165364
The idea was to appropriate the boss fight to modern framerates, not to satisfy some user trying to get into the game; by proxy you also become part of this misinformation.

>>716165274
PS Now was also on PC so technically it was also an official release of MGS4 on PC? You could also play Bloodborne on PS Now so does that count as an official PC version of Bloodborne too?

>>716165437
But >>716165056 literally proved that part of your argument was complete bullshit as well

>>716153418 (OP)
i don't really understand the hype for 4. i wanted to like it, but it was like a walking simulator with hourly visits from the salesnigger and his faggot monkey. 4-5 hours in and i hadn't been doing any real sneaking or anything special. it was just boring with occasional cringenigger sprinkles.

>>716165507
That was the modicum and modus operandi for a while, yes. There were many threads about it and the controversy sparked heavy emotions.

>>716165649
christ, I know it's hard having engaged your single brain cell to buy a 4chan pass, but you could at least try not to embarrass yourself with retarded nonsense

4 ironically had the best gameplay but out of the 5 acts only two had any kind of traditional "sneaking around guards who are unalert and on patrol" act 3 is follow the goober followed by a rail shooter, act 4 is sneaking robots you can't cqc or hold up and act 5 is one section of sneaking around frog soldiers who are on high alert and who are actively looking for you.

Yes I realise I've just described bad gameplay. I guess what I mean is the movement mechanics and systems compared to mgs5s sprint, reflex, psychic alarm bullshit.

>>716165760
You could try and read the thread every once in a while instead of strawmanning every discussion I'm in into 50+ posts of drivel that basically stymie and deter all logic to your breadbasket you call a troll's nest.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is a modern masterpiece and is real true certified kino.

>>716153418 (OP)
At this point i think it is just that it been years since most people played 4 and memory holed it. Remember anon, PS3 only AND you had to do that whole install thing, it ain't a "Today i feel like playing MGS" title.

>>716165779
I really wish they had released like a bunch of VR missions or Snake Tales or something so you would actually have the opportunity to play the actual fucking game for more than a few hours.

>>716165963
It installs on RPCS3 within like four minutes on a mid build, less than that on mine really. Like 30 seconds, but you have to know what you're doing, it's slightly complicated; like the other anon said you might -actually- have to rub two braincells together to speed up the load times.

>>716153418 (OP)
4 is fucking kino

>>716165828
.>>716165194

>>716153418 (OP)
The greatest boss fight in the series.

>>716165779
>>716165987
>play the actual fucking game for more than a few hours
Metal Gear Online.... I mean what the fuck mate. It was fantastic and you could play the fucking game however long you wanted to.

>>716165261
>0:42
I stood up and yelled ROLLSLOP

>>716153418 (OP)
It has MGO2 and this alone makes it better than 5, but even without MGO2 it shits on 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7GQslg679Q

>>716164159
You have to be ACTUALLY retarded to think that MGS 2 ending is more conclusive than MGS 4.

the only parts of MGS4 that I really liked on a gameplay front were the "you're sneaking through an active warzone" parts and that was like two relatively small sections

>>716165779
>and act 5 is one section of sneaking around frog soldiers who are on high alert and who are actively looking for you.
I tried to make act 5 last a long as possible by using every item and weapon I could on the frog girls before moving to the boss fights. Man I wish act 5 was longer on the beginning part.

>>716159335
MHFU

I was actually trying to emulate 4 on RPCS3 a year ago and played for a few hours but it kept dipping into the low 40s every now and then even though i have a 7800x3D and a 7900 XTX. Maybe i shouldn't have cheaped out and buyed boughted an ampoor GPU.

>>716166183
literally any funny youtuber MGSV clip compliation makes V look more fun than this, and not at silky smooth 20 FPS!

4 has an ending, nigger.

>>716166196
Act III and IV are basically sneaking through a ghost town, and act V is just sneaking through a heavily guarded tanker, like the events of MGS2.

The warzone in Act I is pretty good cinema though, lots of dead bodies, cool angles, and fun items to pick up.

>>716166187
MGS4 is the reason they needed a dozen prequels to explain how the fuck the MGS3 dorks became the villains of the series. MGS2 is an interesting thematic conclusion that by it's nature is basically impossible to follow effectively. The only interesting questions at the end are intentionally left open and not meant to be answered directly, namely who or what the Patriots are and what the fuck Raiden does with his life now.

>>716166102
If you like the series, then you liked this.
If you shitpost the series, then you don't like this.

>>716153512
Being a mentally ill contrarian on 4channel is not a substitute for a personality.

>>716166187
It wasn't but then it was never meant to be conclusive to begin with. Kojima wanted an open ending left to players interpretation. Details like Ocelot escaping were irrelevant to the greater purpose of the ending

>>716166350
"Fun" compilations are retarded and not indicative of good gameplay. They're more akin to you raping the guards shitty AI by throwing smoke grenades on your car and getting smoke effect. What you see in this video is actual organic STEALTH gameplay, not "funny compilations".

>>716166473
Correction: two greatest boss fights in the series

>>716166560
a lot of this trailer is just setpieces placed to show off the gameplay

there are also comedy videos showing people screwing with MGS3's stupid AI too, I don't think V's AI being dumb is as much of a condemnation as you think it is. point is it's fun to make up strategies in that game and you're given constant opportunities to do so unlike 4

>>716166183
MGO3 was such a disappointment

>>716166492
Neither is misappropriating arguments because people don't want to actually talk about having a personality.

MGS 1, 2, and 4 were pure kino. Death Stranding 1 and 2 are pure kino
MGS 3 and 5 were dogshit
Proof that anything with Big Boss sucked ass

>>716166707
>a lot of this trailer is just setpieces placed to show off the gameplay
Most of the trailer still shows core stealth experience. It's not 100% efficiency oriented (you wouldn't do exactly that) but close enough to what you'd do as a stealth enjoyer.

>there are also comedy videos showing people screwing with MGS3's stupid AI too, I don't think V's AI being dumb is as much of a condemnation as you think it is
That's not my point. In fact I would say the AI in 5 is better than in 4, because of a few factors. My point is that fucking around with the AI is a fun side activity but has nothing to do with the core stealth experience.

>>716166767
Sad

>>716163942
You can be reductive about anything, brainlet-sama.

>>716166289
kek

>>716163562
PO is worse than PW in every single way other than maybe "Calling to the Night" being better than "Heavens Divide."

>>716161041
>character does nothing
>see? it's subtle and well executed
Kill yourself pseud. The MGSV story has some of the most embarrassing shit I've ever seen in a game, Kojima or not. If Peter Stillman's monologue is too much for you then all of V needs to be thrown into the garbage bin.

>>716166948
What's there to kek about? FU had better fights than Peace Walker. Boy I love fighting a tank with more men inside it than your mom

>>716167117
MH is too grindy as a series for me

>>716165779
Most of the new options in MGS4 are irrelevant, though. I never understood why people got so attached to them. CQC might as well be the exact same as it was in MGS3 for all it matters. The only meaningful change is the way Octocamo works, but that's just the game clicking into the Survival Viewer menu for you and materializing an ideal camo for you on the fly.

>>716167202
And PW didn't have you grind soldiers to get the reqs so you could get the final zadornov missions Or weapons, so you could do damage to bosses

>>716166104
I wanted more single player content for MGS4 in addition to that though

>>716167373
Its indeed grindy when it came to the side ops but I had no problems finishing the main game

>>716166312
I have the same CPU and had no issues playing it upscaled even before I updated my GPU (though I recall some occasional bugs the framerate was locked at 60). It's the settings you have, not your hardware. Your CPU is better than necessary by leaps and bounds and your GPU is barely relevant. RPCS3 is still pretty shitty and MGS4 is one of the most difficult games to run well. That's all there is to it. Apply the recommended patches and tinker with settings.

>>716166473
>>If you shitpost the series, then you don't like this.
That REALLY sums it up.

>>716153512
If you are alluding to Kojima's worst games, then, indeed, I dislike intensely Metal Gear Solid 4 and the ghastly Death Stranding rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those games the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Kojima’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Metal Gear Solid 4’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 2008 when the game was written as it does now when noble mercenaries and fourth wall breaking are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced players. Kojima never really got over the influence which the European arthouse film and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Japanese gamers do not realize two things: that not all Japanese love Kojima as much as Americans do, and that most of those Japanese who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He is a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive couriers and soulful mercenaries are not to be endured for one moment—by this player anyway. Kojima seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Japanese letters to become Japan’s most mediocre screenwriter, but he took the wrong turning and wrote video games.

>>716167093
Straight to the brig you go, Retard Rhinoceros. My post wasn't about overall quality, just that MGSV is more thoughtful with how it layers its themes and characters without heaps of dialogue -- because it undeniably is. Whether it's good or not is a different question. I already said it was a mess.

>>716153418 (OP)
4 is a noisy chaotic mess. It tries to hard to pander to cod chuds. It lacks restraint and sophistication.

4>2>1>3>5

>>716168469
la > li > lu > le > lo

>>716168129
I'm talking about themes too, retard. You're talking about the game that puts "Big Boss is watching you" posters, where Skull Face says "there are words that kill!" except they are literally words that kill you because of supernatural illnesses, where you're supposed to think there is some big development about communication because this bitch "Quiet" who can't speak without leaving the base because of Kojima Cancer speaks to save Big Boss from a snake bite and it's supposed to mean something big. This is the game about REVENGE and BECOMING A DEMON except all you did at that point was tranquing 3 guards to rescue Miller and all the revenge you do is put war victim children through school, housing and reinsert them into society. The game where you're supposed to think Quiet jumping into a toxic gaz tank to get a fucking handbang for some 13 year old kid is an emotional development and not plain retarded.

The only part that isn't actively insulting the player's intelligence is the Paz sideplot because it actually says a few things about medic and what he thought about Paz, what she meant for him as an ideal despite being a spying bitch in the real world.

MGS4 is far more intelligent and respectful of the player's intelligence if you actually peel beyond the most obvious layers and surface level "observations" of "wow, there sure are a lot of infodumps, that must mean it's dumb and not subtle, right?". It says infinitely more than MGSV on degenerative growth, end of eras, cyclical aspect of life, identity, automation, and how humanity stands against this scary yet perfectly logical and expected progression towards a cold, calculated society in all aspects.

>>716168393
5 is the CoDfag game. 4 had gameplay that was too much for CODfags of that era.

>>716167815
Is this copypasta? I understand what you're saying but good fucking lord this prose is overwrought.

>>716169029
the original of that is a copypasta popular on /lit/ regarding Nabokov's (one of the greatest writers of prose in the 20th century btw regarding your comment) opinion on Dostoevsky's Crime & Punishment and Brothers Karamazov

>>716169029
you just do not comprehend my inelect.

>>716168798
Yes. Like I said, there's still Kojima brand heavy-handedness. Eli applies "PIG BOSS" graffiti to his shirt. MGSV still tends to let things breathe without sentimentalism in a way that other games in the series do not. MGSV is only subtle by way of comparison with prior games, but that was the whole point of the post. This isn't an accident, nor is it the grand culmination of Kojima's stunning maturation. It's just the deliberate result of trying to craft a game that lets the player inhabit the story at their own pace.
>MGS4 is far more intelligent and respectful of the player's intelligence
No, it really isn't. It just spoonfeeds with Metal Gear 101 lectures. It uses more words. It doesn't have more to say.

>>716169481
You're completely missing the point. MGSV has compromised its entire thesis (or at least the thesis it pretended it was going to tackle) by refusing to engage with it altogether, replacing it with supernatural parasites. Even if MGSV was the most subtle game in the world (which it is not, it's full of incredibly heavy handed scenes and while I see why you think it is this is more because of a lack of dialogue due to Kiefer's lines being expensive than a consistent, meaningful and well executed artistic choice), it would still be completely empty because of that choice. Meanwhile, MGS4 actually has a lot going underneath its surface layers and there is a lot to read from it, the AIs mean much more than just evil AIs from the Patriots or even evil AI overlords, it is the logical outcome of progression and evolution. MGS4 is also about determinism and how humanism stands against that and that isn't explicitly outlined in infodump explanations, but even if it was it would still be infinitely better than MGSV on the basis of HAVING CONTENT AT ALL, no matter how you feel about this method of delivery.

>>716169223
I know who Nabokov is lol.

>>716161303
>4's gameplay is the best in the series
what gameplay? outside of act 1, there is no gameplay

act 2 is an extremely short stroll through a combat zone into rail shooter
act 3 is a scripted tailing/escort sequence into rail shooter
act 4 is just an empty shadow moses
and the finale is literally an uninteractive corridor

all of this is peppered with some of the worst writing kojima have ever made like 45 minute briefings with sunny cooking eggs or meryl and johnny proposing or eva dying in vain to save remains that weren’t even big boss or big boss being alive and zero being the one who started the patriots(?????)

4 is the true finale. Sure it had some cringe but memeable moments. Should have had the subtitle of "'Memberberries and movies"

>>716170212
>He didn't like Sunny cooking eggs
Soulless

>>716170212
>act 4 is just an empty shadow moses
But Mt. Snakemore is deep a reflection on determinism versus humanism! Remember when Sniper Wolf DIED and Otacon CRIED? Don't you REMEMBER?

>>716170343
Sunny could have been sexualized, but she wasn't. It proves Kojima has a silver-lining of conscience in his games.

>>716170578
SUNNY'S AND OLD MAN PLEASER

>>716170669
n-no she's not, she just makes Otacon's eggs.

>>716153512
FPBP
/thread

>>716163156
>It's masterful work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-6S3eQMKQk

>V has no fucking story at all
V sucks but I’ll take no story any day over whatever the fuck 4 is supposed to be

4 is the most insane level of fan wank I have ever seen in a franchise.

>>716171316
Why didn't Raiden do it instead? He could have ran through in like 2 seconds before the microwaves could even do anything.

>>716171558
I cried when Meryl found love. I CRIED!

>>716171316
>press X to not die
:|
>press X to not die, la creatividad
:O

>>716171667
To be fair you have to press X a lot.

I’m a new fan and I’m really enjoying Metal Gear Solid 4, but it really doesn’t emulate that well. It’s never going to be ported at this point, but do anons have some tricks to make it look better and run more stable?

>>716171612
Raiden was fucked up from getting crushed by Other Heaven and had a family he was beint retarded about. Snake was at the end of his life with nothing left for him. Also he still believed he was a walking biological bomb

>>716153418 (OP)
Octo camo. Fuckin loved it.

>>716157658
>>716157821
yep, sneaking through battlefields with different routes was incredibly fun

>>716171973
>It’s never going to be ported at this point
There's another collection in the works, just calm down.

>>716172261
>>716171994
Konami did have a working version for the Xbox360 that they never released because it would have taken like 7 discs to install. Assuming Konami still has the codebase they could port it to PC pretty easily.

>>716153418 (OP)
>Muh accelerate aging
Fuck Kojimbo
Snake didn't deserve that shit

>>716172575
I am confidant they do not have that and probably threw all that shit in the dumpster. All kinds of companies, especially Japanese ones, do that shit.

>>716158806
Thats pretty par for the course for MGS ngl.
This is the same series that heavily focused on a girl having a bomb in her cooch and having a giga fatass demolitionist fight by rolling around on roller blades.

>>716172585
Director's bias he hated Solid Snake but would get on his knees for big boss

>>716171612
>But yer heart is Human...

which makes no fucking sense, he's a brain and spinal column. He's got no dick.

>>716172742
They had the opening playable, that's all, they approached Konami about it but Sony wouldn't let them and they knew it would have to be spread across 5 dvds. They cut gameplay content from the game because they ran out of disc space on the bluray.

>>716173715
They built him a cyborg dick. His sperm was replaced with nanomachines

>>716161891
MGS4 is very interesting in the sense that the AIs aren't technically doing something WRONG, they're just maximizing output based on their set of parameters. It makes sense on SOME rational framework of values, but it raises the question of how rational we are and what kind of utilitarian measures we're willing to accept -or not.

>>716172987
>2 was the best ending for the series
fatman is a good character and despite appearances well baked into the plot - the Stillman stuff is a pretty good arc and is a good parallel to the S3 plan - it's a recreation of what Stillman is familiar with but then he throws everyone off with the scentless bombs. It's basically the only variable in the game that doesn't go according to the plan, which is then acknowledged in the exposition dump at the end.
What does MGSV have? All you learn about Skullface is he had to wipes bibo's ass and that he doesn't like english speakers - none of that is evidenced through gameplay or part of an arc.
Eli's arc would work if the real Bibo features in the game, but he doesn't outside of a 'gotcha' cutscene which has no impact on the actual narrative whatsoever.

>>716175682
ignore clipboard

>>716174886
The AI's are very concerned with delimiting human potential and lose their agency if they're overridden by a hacker like Liquid Ocelot and his team. They're basically amoral, and do not gather combat data for bettering mankind, they're essentially non-violent aggressors in an aggressive climate, making them liable for any and all deaths that might occur.

>>716176339
They make the line go up.

Economy goes up means something is going well. For a given time period at least. It's not going down, at least, surely.

>>716170212
Act 2 is literally way longer than act 1 you fucking retard. It has more sneaking than act 1 and a few optional routes. If you wanted to reexperience peak MGS sneaking gameplay you'd go with act 2.

>>716176404
You have to guess that the AI, once hacked, would see a security flaw in their own design and owe some apology to past mistakes, but The Patriots basically signed any and all influence away to an amoral machine so it wouldn't matter if GW did see something wrong with its consciousness being next to worthless.

>>716176551
Hacking is one thing sure but I think it reduces the point. If you assume there's no hacking going on, the AIs are still just making the line go up... and yet, this isn't a very desirable situation to be in. It's the distinction between "logical, expected, natural" and "ideal and human".

>>716176339
>>716176551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg
live footage of tripfag contemplating basic fundamentals of ai and still getting it all wrong

>>716166146
notice how he DODGED

>>716167250
Tons of various small movements added are significant if you're a good player.

>>716176726
The whole point of the game is triggered by Liquid Ocelot's hacking of the soldier's nanomachines, which leads Snake on a quest to find out how to stop him from enabling this hack worldwide. The power of an economy left in artificial hands, with no one at the "helm" of the "ship" to steer it clear of "obvious" dangers is one of the most basic idioms used in the story.

https://youtu.be/OeHgrf5z4C0

>>716176958
If you rewatch how act 2 starts they say "even if we stop Liquid it's all useless unless we take out the entire system".
Yes, Liquid kickstarts the events by putting everyone against a wall, they believe he'll subjugate mankind after locking all of the weapons, but even if they stop him they're back at square 1.
I guess it's the difference between "terrorists are out for us!" and more insidious, slow, poisonous kind of evil

>>716153418 (OP)
5 was a disappointment PRECISELY because of 4. With 5, you at least hoped that Kojima could return back to Big Boss kino and rebound from movie game slop that was 4, especially since GZ wasn't bad, but it's like Kojima heard the backlash against the long cutscenes for 4 and just cut them out entirely for 5 along with the fucking codec calls. All 5 did was expose that Kojimbo got carried hard for the first 3 games by his co-writer and he really is just a hack.

>>716175682
This post really encapsulates why I can't trust the fanbase discourse on MGS. You'll see retards like >>716172987 focus on superficial points pretending like he's making a big point while missing the actual story meat in these things and giving a pass to actual shitty parts as long as the characters aren't rolling around on roller blades and sipping wine.

I fucking hate you guys

>>716177172
Yeah it definitely has a Scanner Darkly vibe going on where the enemy is not the terrorism itself, but the alienation of the self. The self causes natural problems to exist, and the machines correct "the self," but if too much correction is made, then people are no longer adaptable and are then obsolete. So like the Substance D flooding the streets of lower California, A.I. basically fixes too many things, forcing many of the practical approaches to problem solving into a Spiral of Silence.

>>716177353
high IQ post desu

BANG

>>716177176
When you take a step back and look at his career he cannot handle criticism
With MGS2 raiden was added because JKs thought snake was old and ugly
With MGS3 the story was made far simpler because people criticized the story of MGS2
PW was made because his son told him Metal gear was gay and MH was better so he made MG into MH and even got the collab from CAPCOM
MGS4 was made with a heavy exposition filled story because fans wanted a conclusion to what 2 was and wanted Snake back (he doesn't like snake)
MGSV was made with the story gutted and more focus on missions because every one mocked 4 for being story heavy
Guy tries too hard to people please

>>716177690
>With MGS2 raiden was added because JKs thought snake was old and ugly
what the fuck is wrong with JKs

>>716166183
cringe webm

>>716168942
the entire conceit of 4 taking place in the middle of a warzone was designed to capture westerm cod and battlefield audiences

>>716179836
4 was the most advanced stealth wise. Arguably still is

>>716176880
In single player? I don't see how.

I can't get MGS4 to work on rpcs3 because the installation bar gets stuck on 22% of completion

>>716153418 (OP)
I like when cyborg Raiden fights Vamp in the village and on top of REX.

Remember when one of the big pro-mgs4 memes was just "adam sessler said he liked it!" LMAO

>>716175682
>All you learn about Skullface is he had to wipes bibo's ass and that he doesn't like english speakers
Are you retarded or were you just not paying attention to the game? I don't even think Skull Face is a particularly great villain, but his conversation with Zero is plenty revealing.

>>716177690
>Guy tries too hard to people please
He had a crazy ego going back to the the 1990s.

>>716179836
It's a neat gimmick but it doesn't really go anywhere or matter. For the most part you're either briefly doing MGS3-style sneaking through standard patrols, or you're crawling your way between two sides that don't give a fuck about you. Being able to influence their battle is neat and all, but it's all so short-lived it's about as impressive as watching the ice cubes melt in MGS2. It's just novelty.

>>716180358
The worse thing one could do was take anything said on G4 as gospel.

>>716153512
Fibber Pibber

>>716177690
I don't mind MGS4 being so story-centric. I mind MGS4 telling a shit story on top of being so story-centric.

>>716177652
how active is the fan revival? I might want to try it...

>>716180994
My post really wasn't getting at (you) just saying that Kojima crumbles toward criticisms on the subsequent game and then shapes the next one heavily due to that instead of just doing what the fuck he wants.

>>716180697
They should have brought Gene back in place of Skullface and given him a better actor.

>>716153512
gobunga warunga

>>716181235
I'd take Skull Face over Gene. Gene is about as lazy as writing in the series gets.

>>716153512
Patrician take

>>716181405
Lol, Gene hardmogs Cum Face

>>716182423
He's Discount Big Boss that hand-delivers Bog Boss's own goals and motivations to him. POOPS belongs in the toilet.

>>716182597
Dark mirror is way more kino than autistic screecher who doesn't fucking do anything other than dying in the most pathetic way, while pissing his pants as Huey of all people finish him.

>>716166183
Soul....

>>716180994
The story is perfectly fine, has a few plotholes but so does MGS1

>>716153418 (OP)
4 is amazing and kino.

>>716153512
Basically all MGS games are masterpieces with maybe V being a bit unfinished but autists here act like MGS <pick a number> is dogshit an an affront to God and anyone who disagrees is a contrarian when in reality this sentiment is shared by majority of people.

>>716177690
>Kojima is a hack with a massive ego because he listens to feedback

>>716185230
>I cannot read
>Nigger image
Makes sense.
Person who I responded too called him a hack, not me. And my post was showing that he takes feedback too harshly. Now fuck off Geoff.

>>716183516
It's perfectly garbage.

>>716182873
Nah. Skull Face is a lot more interesting than Gene.

>>716185801
Lol

>>716153418 (OP)
MGSV is brainwash kino that flew over /v/ head

>>716185858
Nah. Gene is a lot more interesting than Gene.

>>716153418 (OP)
4 does have decent gameplay there just isn't enough of it

>>716182873
Skull Face was true Orwellian meme master, in the end. he had 4 layered plan for fuck sake.

>>716153512
1 > 2 = 3 > POWER GAP > 4 > Twin Snakes > V & Ground Zeroes > POWER GAP > AC!D 1 & 2> POWER GAP > a literal steaming pile of shit > POWER GAP > Portable Ops > POWER GAP > Peace Walker

>>716187519
Disgusting.

>>716160301

Asian bitches are hot, faggot!

>>716153418 (OP)
It really IS a movie game, it’s even on Guinness book as the videogame with the longest cutscenes, but even then, it STILL has more gameplay than MGS1 and 2

>>716153418 (OP)
Star wars Prequel hater / star wars sequel apologist vibes

>>716153418 (OP)
4 has better mechanics than 5. The first act of 4 is better than anything in 5 other than maybe camp omega. 5 is also far too long

>>716153418 (OP)
mgs 4 was the end of the series. it was clearing up loose ends while giving gameplay. MGSV was an incomplete game that left a bad taste in your mouth and left you empty. I unironically felt nothing when I killed skullfuck and didn't know where the story was going


the whole point was to kill a man who didn't mean anything.

>>716153418 (OP)
there's good ideas there the levels are just shit, MGS4 was 80% just to kill the series off once and for all so no one in Konami could ruin it and 20% the devs just fucking around and having fun. From an engine point of view MGS4 walked so MGSV could run. Then Konami shit the bed and a ton of potential for FOX engine games went down the drain with all of that.

The only question in my mind remains now is can Konami do a half way decent MGS3 with a view to doing MG and MG2 remakes on the FOX engine. If the MGS3 remake is dogshit it'll be a very very sad end for the FOX engine, which considering MGSV there was massive potential there that got squandered thanks to corpo bottom lines.

MGSV probably would've been one of the goats if they'd just let them finish it. It was so unfinished that they had an entire set of bionic gauntlet flavours to work into the game that they just never got around to.

>>716191691
>MG and MG2 remakes
Disgusting idea.

Delta isn't using the Fox Engine, by the way.

https://youtu.be/EA4uan90HeA?si=E_YN2RGcAzZRAQIG

The best video on MGSV I've yet come across.

>>716192217
yeh more than likely would be a disaster.
>No FOX engine
oh wow, well that sucks. so there's potential it'll be another UE5 car crash on top of it being shit

>>716169223
Thank you, Chef.
His pasta is excellent.

Does V even have a story? I dropped it pretty fast, doesn’t even feel like a MGS game. Felt like false advertising when the trailers made it look like a highly cinematic story game.

>>716153512
first post best post

The reward for beating MGS4 was getting to play patriot games in Metal Gear Online. What an absolute gem that title was.