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Sometimes when working out I remember this guy

>>716173703 (OP)
What the fuck was up with this guy. I don't understand the balamb plotline at all

8 had the most cancerous influence on the aesthetics of every FF that came after it. Prove me wrong.

Somewhere to the left or to the right, the loading screen was about 4 times as long as usual for reasons unknown. It was very inconvenient.

>>716175978
8's style is better than FFX's which is way too bohemian for me.

If I had X with VIII's artstyle, i would be happy. I'd even be happy with X under VI's artstyle.

>>716173703 (OP)

>>716173703 (OP)
me n the girls vibing out

>>716173703 (OP)
The music in this game was just too good.

>>716176794
Can Zell not go 10 minutes without jacking off in the corner of some stranger's house?

>>716177004
You'd never understand until you do

garden theme and triple triad music still living rent free

>>716175948
He's a Zionist Jew whereas Cid was a Liberal Jew.

>>716175948
Norg is the one paying your party's salary. He is a millionaire who invested in Cid's military school project, and he gets his profits from SEED's mercenary work.
Cid created SEED to turn teenagers with attitude into monster-summoning witch hunters, but Norg just wanted SEED to do more mercenary work and stay away from troublemakers like Edea.
He basically gets kicked out of the plot after you defeat him because FFVIII's plot is a rushed mess and most plot points don't go anywhere.

>>716177335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OirbhFAmcAQ

>>716175978
>influence on the aesthetics of every FF
Aside from maybe FFXV I don't really see it.

>>716177335
>>716178073
For me its the Laguna fight music
>so weak that every normal enemy gets kickass boss music

>>716177920
Why does Zell get so much shit? He just wanted a hot dog. It was clearly a popular item because they were always sold out. Either everybody is a fag or nobody is a fag for liking hot dogs.

>>716178458
he wants the hot dogs but not enough to change his slacker behavior to acquire the hot dog on time.

>>716178367
yeah man with the machine gun is up there too
occassionally the ragtime piano one where he's fighting the dragon
been too long since i played

How many students do you think the T-rex ate?

>>716175801
Enjoy your pulled muscles retard

>>716178458
>>716178507
But did he ever get his hoverboard back?

>>716178728
yeah enjoy your second helping of pulled pork, fatty

>>716180910
Hey I just wanted to say you're a fag. Pulled pork is delicious and if you're serious you can work off a second goddamn sandwich you weak willed preener.

>>716177075
Man is hopped up on crack and hotdogs. Got to burn off that energy.

>>716178591
It's funny that the other schools are MORE militaristic, and Balamb is just like "Adapt or die fuckers!"

Was he a Zell fan?

why does the garden directory stop being a teleporter when it goes mobile

>>716173703 (OP)
Whoa, Black Betty, bam-ba-lam

>>716181342
Selphie's hair is so stupid

>>716175801
>>716178728

I got filtered by the Junction system.

DONT OPEN THIS AHHHHHHHH

>>716181495
Stupidly hot

>>716181698
Nigga how

>>716181698
>put magic on stat to make number go up
how retarded are you

>>716181698
lmao

>>716181698
The tutorial was pretty bad. I blame Quistis

>>716181630
>Zell looking too
heh

>>716173703 (OP)
I have my gripes with 8 but the balamb garden theme is an all time great.

Why did he cry?

>>716182759
He is also a chicken wuss

Wha-what?

Reminder that originally Squall was supposed to be Julia's son, same as Rinoa, and the romance between the two would be incestuous.

>>716182914
USED GOODS

>>716182914
yes, squall cucks seifer but then seifer gets with hot edea mommy and wins after all

>>716182914
His personal GF

...Swagever

>>716173703 (OP)
>home
>doesnt post the original

>>716182914

Zell, Myke Tyson's favorite Japanese character.

You guys have convinced me to give FF a try. I can play anything from the PS1-3 era. Which one should I get? I want:
>minimum cutscenes/story
>frequent and challenging combat
>good music and atmosphere

Which installment? Or is this the wrong franchise? I kind of like Disgaea FYI.

>>716173703 (OP)
>>716183119
Where's this from anyway? It's way higher resolution than the in-game background, but it doesn't obviously look like AI slop to me.

>>716173703 (OP)
i love ff8, but my god, stats being center around magic stack has to be one of most retard thing they could have done

anyways post msuic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFzbRTAyal8&list=RDHFzbRTAyal8&start_radio=1&ab_channel=Goonboy7777

>>716177920
Why does he look like an alien and lives hidden in the server room?

>>716183252
9 is the most introductory FF ever, 7 is fine too but less of a standard FF game but the edgy cyberpunk wannabe version.

>>716183252
>minimum cutscenes/story
>frequent and challenging combat
FF1

>>716183252
FF4 DS remake is know for being hard, try that one

You know what you need to do.

>>716183252
>minimum cutscenes/story
FF games are novels. This isn't for you.

How is Seifer not just a poorfag Rufus Shinra?

>>716183307
Sounds good. Does it have frequent/challenging combat and minimal story?

>>716183338
3D era please

>>716183383
I don't have a DS

>>716183252
FFX is the peak. FF8 is dogshit, don't be fooled by the contrarians.

>>716183252
FF3, which is FF8's prequel.

>>716183414
the shitty low poly selphie in there actually gives the humor, A BIG BOOST

>>716183446
>3D era please
None of them. They're all story-heavy

Bitch was reading his mind.

>>716183252
probably the wrong franchise
you could only really start skipping cutscenes in ffx-2 so youre forced to slog through dogshit story telling, voice acting and dialogue

>>716182914
If Rinoa went back to Seifer it means Squall is a cuck, but Rinoa stayed with Squall which means Squall cucks Seifer.

>>716183479
looks good too thanks

>>716183537
>>716183581
ah I see the problem. I'll give 3 and 9 a try today then report back to you guys.

>>716183552
The entire romance is just a mind-rape.

>>716183252
9 or 10

>>716183252
>minimum cutscenes/story
>frequent and challenging combat
You don't want to play FF.
Don't think I'm talking shit on FF cause there are 3 FF games in my top 10 games all time but they're not what you specifically are looking for.

>>716183252
>Minimum cutscenes
>FF
This isn't the franchise for you.

>>716183702
but thats what squall needed so they're like codependent and not merely mutually creepy

sex with selphie

>when that group of teenagers cast 'meltdown' on you and 'aura' on themselves

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>>716183252
FF12 is your best bet for minimal cutscenes and a hard system to understand (it can he easy though)

>>716183817
that's right it's not kidnapping and rape i'm just taking care of her

>>716183934
SHE DID THE THING

>>716177920
>gets kicked out of the plot

Doesnt he literally get killed by the party or am I misremembering?
FFVIII's plot is a mess but its a memorable mess
Better than forgettable and boring like 12's

>>716184002
Check this. See the shooting star?

>>716183974
>xii
lol, lmao

>>716176794
Me on the left.

>>716183552
doesn't he shout "I won't have anyone talking about me in the past tense" before leaving that room? also don't they talk about that shit at the orphanage too?

>>716184002
>rinoa after college

>when that one teenager who was powerstancing alone in the corner causes them all to phase out while a giant red & black demon emerges from a floating orb of black goo

>>716184252
He did, but he doesn't say anything about becoming a memory, so how does Rinoa knows what he was exactly thinking at that moment?

>>716184305
that's funny because squall dies after disc 1. the rest of the game is just a fever dream that only gets more deranged and surreal as he approaches his last breath

Beat 6 finally after multiple attempts over the years (got bored/distracted)
Man that game falls completely off in WoR. Story feels completely disjointed, and I get that its because its open ended, but it feels bad that the only scene where your party has any real interaction is an optional Gau scene.
Also everything falls off aside from magic, and nothing survives 2-3 ultima's anyway.
Theres a ton of memorable things in WoB, not so much in the second half which is a shame because that part was mostly new to me.

Overall a good game but I rate it below 7, 8, 9, and 10 personally. People who rate it highly what did you like about it?

>It's after midnight. I, Quistis Trepe, am no longer an instructor as of now.
>I'm a member of SeeD now, just like you.
>They told me that I failed as an instructor. Basically, that I lack leadership qualities.
>I wonder where I went wrong...
>I did my best...
>Are you listening?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCW9y68TmgY&pp=ygULZmY4IHRlbGwgbWU%3D

>>716184762
Quistis had terrible fashion taste

>>716173703 (OP)
I'm a hardcore fan with FF8, so many times I would even try to escape reality with lucid dreaming, I would be in Balamb Garden where I would often train with Zell in the training center and help Selphie with the Garden Festival, but one day as I was talking to Selphie, we went to my dormitory for a private talk. She immediately said, "You know you could live with us forever.." I gave her a confused look and she continued, "We understand that you live on earth and you REALLY wish to live here". I then said "How..How did you know?" She then giggled and said "Because we've been watching you, silly!"

This was a dream come true and I almost cried right there. She then said, "I talked with Headmaster Cid and he agreed that you would be PERFECT for SeeD, you just have to do...one thing". She then held my hand and looked deep into my eyes and said "...You have to kill yourself for the transfer to work correctly." I then gave her some questions, "How long do I have before the deal expires?" She then said "Cid said 3 months.." I added by saying "What's the most painless way?.." She giggled again, "Suicide will require pain buuut...if you want it quick...Get a gun and a nice shot to the head works.

I then agreed and she gave me a kiss on the forehead, "I know this will be tough but once it's over and done, you'll get to live here!" I then woke up and this was last week and I purchased a gun. I might actually kill myself because that dream just felt too real to be fake and my life isn't doing so grand.

>>716184127
A shooting star is shown right before Squall and Rinoa meet each other for the first time?

>>716184127
Why did she turn herself into a monster dong?

>>716184762
I wish my teacher had taken me to the "secret area"...

>>716184819
I give an exasperated sigh to that statement

>>716183975
him*

>>716185076
side effect after junctioning went wrong and bringing about time compression probably

>>716185076

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>>716185076
its the baby she failed to have with squall

>>716185095
His name was Steve huh?

>>716185346
A veiny dong

Do NOT click

remastered or psx one?

>>716187292
Emulate the original playstation release if possible. The Remaster isn't awful but there's some quirks like characters who should be 'present' but are actually just drawings on the prerendered background. It's not a huge deal but you will mentally facepalm when you see it.

>>716183252
>frequent and challenging combat
>challenging combat
In a popular jrpg?

>>716181812
>tfw no gf

>>716182914
CHADfer

>>716189209
What a chad

>>716189209

>>716184762

>>716183934
Ultimecia is under-rated. I wish she got more screentime in her real form (yes I'm aware she is technically present and doing things for most of the game in Edea and Rinoa).

>>716183280
>Why does he look like an alien
He is a shumi, a race of intelligent demi-human creatures, you can find most of them in a secret village (with the stupid NPC blocking a draw point and demanding cash from you). Very little lore about them as far as I remember so it's safe to assume "a sorceress did it" is the answer to all your potential questions.
>lives hidden in the server room
Because he is fat and really only cares about the money. It's Cid's job to deal with the kids.

>>716184019
>Doesnt he literally get killed by the party or am I misremembering?
No, he just turns into a cocoon because that's something Shumis do for some reason (they can evolve, or fail to, like pokemons).

>>716173703 (OP)
>images you can hear

>>716175948
I always thought it was funny when you go to his hometown in like Disc 3 they just go "yeah we don't know what was the deal with him"

>>716178846
If they ever remake 8 I hope we get a scene where he gets his hoverboard back.

>>716176794
What the hell is Rinoa doing?

>>716190005
yeah not even the greatest song but it is deeper down in my brain than literally any other game song. the kinda jazzy melodic line is nice

>>716185156
She's not wearing thigh high boots, but jeans under that skirt.

>>716176657
Crazy how his entire personality was destroyed by bad localization.

>>716189703
>>716189209
I really wish we got more screentime with Seifer and his little gang before he fully succumbs to Edea. It was actually kind of refreshing the story didn't just kill him off and he ended up getting his own happy ending after everything.

>>716173703 (OP)
looks better without the upscale
nostalgia kino OST too

>>716183261
junction wasn't even 10% as retarded as how annoying the triple triad rule manipulation was

>>716173703 (OP)
Where did Cid even get the capital to build this?

I like how Balamb Garden was basically Squall's fault.

>>716190428
From this guy >>716175948

coolest summon

>>716175948
I always forget about this shit, like, what was the fucking point? I guess it explains how SEED gets funded but it is otherwise irrelevant.

Did anyone else just use summons every single battle and then got to that one area where you can't use summons and gave up?

>>716183014
And then gets cucked by Cid, if anything this fucker's a double cuck.

>>716189970
>Have THE JRPG villain in FFVII hot off the heels of Kefka who is also based
>Procceed to have fuckers that show their mugs at the last 10 mintues of the game in FFVIII and IX as final bosses

What were they thinking? X could very well be on the same boat.

>>716190730
Using summons is a waste of time. You do more damage by just normal attacking since summons take like 30+ seconds per summon.

>>716177920
VIII needed a story remake 100x more than VII

>>716190638
Teh devil!!!

>>716173703 (OP)
*launches*

>>716189209
>Chad
>gives the party a STRONGER GF at the end of that fight due to his little stunt with odin

cuck lmao

>>716181630
FF will never have this much sovl again

>>716178458
>Why does Zell get so much shit?
he's the Milhouse of the party

>>716191223
I miss Spoony like you wouldn't believe

>>716178591
its weird they breed dinosaurs at all

>>716184127
i was too busy fighting for my life to realize she looks like Anima

>>716181630
>50% of balamb students are gay
brutal

>>716189209
how humiliating

>>716175948
Squall dies is the only explanation for all the constant retarded shit that happens disc 2 onwards

>>716175948
NORG, his race, the moombas, what the fuck.

>>716191847
>balamb
Unless you mean Squall.

>>716184127
do they ever explain how a FEMALE sorceress has the most masculine chad body in the game?

>>716192089
The perfect 20 foot female

>>716192089
Something, something she became the closest to fully emulating Hyne, something sort of...maybe?

That's about as much as an explanation you get. I think they just wanted to have a striking design. Really odd that they emphasize feminine traits / outlines / shapes for every single other sorceress, including the un-named ones you fight besides Adel, though. Then again, so much of VIII was left on the cutting room floor then who the fuck really knows.

>>716192089
She junctioned 100 ultimas to strength

>>716192089
I thought Adel was a dude

Final Fantasy 8 would definitely benefited from the Remake. Just fucking do it Squeenix and Nomura

That one moomba that became attached to Laguna always pulls my heart strings.

>>716173703 (OP)
They were going to have the gardens combine like Getter Robo but it got cut

>>716192357
I want a remake too, but they'll probably double down and make the story even more fucked.

>>716190151
Slav squat

No matter how you younguns shit on FF8, FF8 still the best FF for me. Best Music, Best story, Best gameplay, Best everything. Finished it way back in 2000, and keep revisiting it until 2015

>>716190904
>>Procceed to have fuckers that show their mugs at the last 10 mintues of the game in FFVIII and IX as final bosses

Edea was possessed by Ultimecia almost the entire time. I forget when it gets undone. But yeah FF8 was a victim of the year and a half dev time rule.

CAN YOU FUCKING IMAGINE GAMES TAKING ONLY A YEAR AND A HALF NOW JESUS CHRIST

>>716189209
So why could Seifer kill a God again?

>>716192357
>and Nomura

Leave this poor fucker alone. He just Shanghaid into doing FF7 and a game cancelled that he was definitively putting some notVS13 lore in and KH4 is taking forever.

I wish I saved the book where he did an interview that said he made Destiny Island because he loved working on the intro to FF8. And Squall grew up near a beach. And Nomura himself lived in a rural village by a beach. Source is just my ass but if you believe me its really neat.

>>716192689
Odin is a god with a lowercase g

>>716192689
His grand and intoxicating innocence.

>>716192580
Why don't you go make another tuna milkshake you dementia riddled fuck

>>716190904
>in FFVII you are chasing Sephiroth but it is actually Jenova in the form of Sephiroth
>in FFVIII you are fighting Edea but it is actually Ultimecia possessing Edea

That's what you call KINO

>>716184937
>>716184127

I dont believe in r=u but what the fuck I've never seen anyone post this before. It's a really cool detail either way what the fuck.

>>716183479
This too but I actually like the FF3 theory. There's weird shit like the clock in Ultimecia's castle pointing to 3 and 8. Is there anymore weird shit like either of these? FF8 is nuts.

>>716173703 (OP)
very fond memories of this game.

>>716193032
>That's what you call KINO

The funny thing is Edea's design is actually a leftover unused design from FF7. I always wondered what her character in 7 was going to be like. Her theme even has part if 7s theme in it.

>>716191112
FFVIII's main plot is very straight-forward aside from the occasional "oh yeah, I guess that is a thing in this setting" like junction's side-effects, Griever, Dr. Odine's german accent, crystal magnets, etc.
I guess better world-building world be nice, but all you will get from that potential extra lore is that the apocalypse is about as natural as a rainy day in FF8.

>>716173703 (OP)
I can still hear the soundtrack from that image

>>716193315
To be fair they do mention junctioning affecting your memory really early on and all the characters got fucked up complexes from growing up together and forgetting about it.

I think if you revisit old towns you get more lore. I remember stumbling on Hyne lore. Then someone pointed out years later (literally last year) ultima weapon is probably Hyne

>FF7: Stars a would-be mercenary
>FF8: There's an entire mercenary school
>FF9: Protagonist's from a team of thieves who also do mercenary work (the kidnapping of Garnet was a job they took on)

Were the PS1 Final Fantasies the mercenary saga of the franchise?

>>716193315
There is a fuckton of NPC dialogue in VIII. Most NPCs in the big towns will have different things to say after each story beat. Yes, even in the towns you never go back to for any reason. A decent amount of worldbuilding in the game is done this way for some insane reason.

>>716178458
In japanes versio it's some sort of sweet bread/pastries. That's why he is stuffing his face with pastries in ending
French and German have their own food item.

>>716173703 (OP)
Selphie is a femboy. How do I know? She's the only "girl" who's not interested in Squall and can read him like a book.

>>716192357
Trust me, a remake would just make the story more convoluted.

Kingdom Hearts 2 and 3 are pretty much FF8 redux, with Nomura reworking all the crazy ideas he had for FF8 in them.

>>716192582
>I forget when it gets undone

>>716178458
Intolerance of idiocy is a common trope in Japanese games and anime. Zell is a friendly simpleton and simply having a low IQ is enough to make certain characters treat him with disdain.

>>716193085
This?

>>716173703 (OP)
There's actually a group of nice that you can talk to throughout the game. The first time you leave the clinic, three girls are standing in the hallway, one of them is brown. The trio are close friends, and you can find them in different locations in the garden through out the game. They graduate the seed program, they have a fight, they talk about how the miss their parents when the garden starts flying, and even one of them gets injured after the fight with galabadia. Each one has their own personality. The brown one is basically Squall, but is actually honest with her friends. One of them is a a little mischievous while the third one is a nerd.
I really loved the npc in ff8. There is something special about them in general.

>>716177920
There something wrong with ff8 plot. It doesn't know what it wants to be. So it defaults to romance. Then it relies entirely on how much you like the bitch.
What worse. By disc3, every party member is turned into cheerleaders to romance. Their own stories get taken over. Everything is just becomes romance.
It has so much going on. So much weirdness. So much intriguing. Everything gets dropped for romance.

>>716194424
There is also library girl and her friends. Who is lusting after zell

>>716193582
No, they were all based off the premise that became Xenogears and Spirits Within.

>>716193582
They all are basically ideas thrown around when ff7 production started. No u
Suprise they start with same premise

>>716194424
>>716193842

What the fuck I need to replay this I missed so much

>>716173703 (OP)
Where did that image come from? Did Square Enix actually redo the pre-rendered backgrounds after all these years or is it from some fan project?

>>716175948
Instead of Norg, think of his name as Berg. That should open your eyes.

>>716190139
If they go full remake on VIII they should have him use it on the train mission

>>716194235
>Kingdom Hearts 2 and 3 are pretty much FF8 redux, with Nomura reworking all the crazy ideas he had for FF8 in them.

Oh yeah. I guess time travel works really similarly in both games. Its just one plucks your heart out the other Elone can pluck your mind out...for some reason. Wait KHs somehow is explained more than FF8's. How the fuck could Elone do that? Not even sorceresses could.

>>716194640
I can see SOLDIER initially involving some sort of academy for child soldiers since Cloud started when he was like 14. Come to think of it, FF7 led into a lot of stuff in later games. Isn't the Farplane in FF10 more or less the same as the Lifestream? That's where Nojima's little meme of FF7 being FF10's future came from, right?

>>716194404
Yeah that's it. Hyne being from 3 is the main one and pretty huge.

>>716194786
>Hyne being from 3
qrd? 3 is the only one I've never played

>>716194848
and I fucking love 8

>>716189209
FF8 had such cool set pieces, shame literally everything else about the game was such a clusterfuck.

>>716194751
Early ideas for ff7 were
>detective in new York
>two pc. Father and son. Who would meet at end.
>champions of 4 gods. Who set out to kill 4 gods to save the planet.
There is some else. But I would have to look them up.
Also early draft of ff7 had tifa and areith to be one character and they would be sister of sepiroth.

>>716194751
>That's where Nojima's little meme of FF7 being FF10's future came from, right?

It came from a character in FFX2 being named Shinra. As a joke apparently. But I have no idea where he got the idea to do that, maybe he said so somewhere? The funny thing is it gets referenced in FF7 remake. Someone in a Shinra like mask is in a picture with the founders of Shinra picture in Shinra HQ.

>>716194657
It's a mod called Project Angelwing: Ultima. People have made similar mods for FFVII and FFIX too, because SE will not do it themselves for whatever reason. Even the FFVIII "Remaster" SE released a few years ago where they redid the character models and such still uses those stretched beyond recognition pre-rended backgrounds from the original 1999 release.

>>716181342
Selphie's hair is so cute, stylish, and pretty

>>716194939
Yeah, Nojima actually stated in an interview that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. It's just that somehow, his office in-joke made it into one of the Ultimanias and fans started taking it as gospel, so he had to come out and say "No, I wasn't being serious when I said that. I have no idea why it was in the Ultimania".

But the origin of the meme came from when Nojima was making FFX-2. He suddenly noticed that a lot of how similar Spira's setting was to FF7's. And then he started making dumb jokes about how "lol wouldn't it be cool if the descendents of this nice kid ended up being total assholes who would completely ruin an entire planet for profit?" He only ever meant for Shinra's name to be sort of an easter egg, he never expected it to be taken seriously.

>>716178591
>I wish my school assigned me a hot AF teacher to follow me around and help me fight dinosaurs.
c'mon now was this game made by autistic incels?

>>716194848
>>716194890
In FF3 a minor boss makes his castle in a flying tree or some shit. His name is Sorcerer Hyne. In FF8 there is deep lore you have to look for by talking to NPCS about a creation story of how a Sorcerer Hyne (who we never really see) split his body in two (the sorceresses power and Ultima Weapon but Ultima Weapon isnt said explicitly) created humans as a slave race and people rose up and fought him splitting his body in two.

Basically the God of FF8 and origin of Sorceress' true power and real magic (everything else is fake paramagic with GFs)

>>716183414

If I knew %100 FACT that's where I'd end up, I'd have the gun in my mouth before I finis

>>716195201
Also he is a skeleton if you couldn't tell

Secret skeleton lore

>>716195201
fuck I had heard their maps were similar but I didn't know Hyne was straight up in 3. I have the translated nes rom maybe I should give it a try

>>716194894
Issue was 2 year dev cycle was mandated. It worked for other games. But 8 clearly needed another look at script to clean it out. It also hamppered technically game. Disc 3 is short. Really short. It has 1 boss early on. Then boss rush at end. Then disc 4 closes everything off.

FF8 is a game with so many holes that were wide enough that fans could come up with a bunch of different theories that actually made sense or would have at least made for a better story than what we actually got. That's why the whole Rinoa=Ultimecia thing gained so much traction.

>>716193145
I think that was from NY phase of ff7. Where PC is detective. Jenova is force/parasite that takes hold of people's brains and possesses them.
Basically parasite eve

>>716193842
You can go back to Paris city and it has ton of world building going on.
Including in disc3 where Seifer has taken over.

>>716195646
What people don't comment enough is how Adel wasn't possessed by Ultimecia. She was just evil witch.
Orginally she was meant to be possessed. When laguna group had as much screen time as squals party. Both of them would face evil witch. But at end it turns out real mastermind was super witch possessing them both. Who then uses time compression and both timeliness crash and they face toghetor ultemica.

>>716195214
How the fuck did anon post this while dead?

>>716195875
Wasn't Adel a dude?

>>716195924
His post timer was on cool down

>>716194739
Here are the weird similarities between FF8 and KH:

KH's starting world Destiny Islands being inspired by Edea's Orphanage that is by the beach.
KH's using star symbols as a metaphor for destinies become intertwined like shooting stars were used in FF8's. The star-shaped Paopu Fruit being one of them.
KH's Dandelions organization being inspired by FF8's SeeDs. Both using flower's seeds as a metaphor for children that need to be nurtured as destined warriors.
KH's Nobodies sharing visual cues with Ultimecia - golden eyes, white hair, and in later games being able to time-travel.
KH's The Wicked Witch being pitted against Squall and in later games being able to time-travel.
KH's world Radiant Garden, the world where all the FF characters in that game come from, being inspired by FF8's Balamb Garden.
KH's Rikku becoming a rival by being influenced by an evil witch much like FF8's Seifer.
KH's Kairi being revealed as one of the seven "Princesses of Heart"—beings of pure light with no darkness in them—and that to protect her from the destruction of their home, her heart took refuge inside Sora's own body. A literal interpretation of the "heroine as a vessel" concept where Ultimecia possessed Rinoa's body, Kairi's very essence inhabits Sora's. Even Kairi being a "princess". links back to Rinoa.
Kh's Naminé being able to manipulate time and memory, much like FF8's Ellone. Both are called time witches.
KH's secret Master travelling through time to set up everything, that can be or not an adult Sora. Remind you of anything?

>>716196091
Nah. Just looked like one

>>716196180
It makes sense. A lot of Squeenix's games after FF7 seem to heavily involve utilizing ideas that were dropped in previous games. Almost every game of this era is linked in some way to another game that came prior. Even the fundamental ideas behind KH's version of time travel seem heavily derived from concepts from FF8.

FF7 and 8 clearly had a lot of ideas left behind on the cutting room floor, perhaps moreso than other games, and this ended up bleeding heavily into other games like Parasite Eve and later Kingdom Hearts. This may in part be why Kingdom Hearts ended up being such a clusterfuck. It's a repository for ideas that couldn't make it into other games, such as Nomura's FFV13.

>>716196393
FF7 used a lot of ideas from FF6 too.
the midgar sorm actually came from 6.

>>716196180
In the first game Sora unironically have the same poses and mannerisms as Squall.

>>716196393
>>716196442
It seems Square had a burst of creativity in the mid 90s and has been coasting ever since.

>>716178728
muscle tears and then rebuilds itself stronger. you're just telling him to get stronger, cuck lmao

>>716196525
A lot of the old crew are either semi-retired, fully retired or left the company. Despite what his detractors say, I think Nomura's a good director and has a lot of good ideas, but he's spread way too thin. Also, while he and Nojima seem to make a good team, they also seem to bring out the worst in each other at times. Even though there's a lot to criticize about Nomura, I can't help but feel like he's the only one at Squeenix consistently coming up with interesting stuff anymore, and even that's become less consistent due to him being too busy with so many different projects.

I know a lot of people hate Nomura these days, but can you actually imagine what SE would be left with if he retired as well?

>>716196180
Damn, never realized how much Ansem and Ultimecia have in common, specially with all the body hopping.

>>716190151
The needful saar.

>>716196393
After 6. There was massive brainstorming over what direction to take their games. Would they stay with Nintendo or what. There is promotional picture of ff7 snes.
But they went with Sony. That gave them lot more room to work with. But also allowed fmv. FF7 was pushed as cinematic game.
Suare brainstormed whole lot of ideas. They never set out to make final fantasy game. Just game. Some point they sticked ff to name.
but ff7, 8, 9 and 10 came from this. Also xenogear. Parasite eve and spirit within.
10 was orginally called 17. Becouse in world everyone would die when turning 18. Had guys would be corporations giving vax for this curse/disease. Yuna wa nurse going around treating people. There is even concept art of that versio of ffx

>>716192357
FF8 was the one game I would have been perfectly fine with the time travel multiverse bullshit they did for 7R. At least that shit would have made sense for FF8.

>>716196872
Speaking of 7R.

>>716196703
I think they have just worst instinct ever. Remake/rebirth is perfect example of this. If you wanted to make this kinda of story. Why not make ff8 rebirth. That's allready weird and has time travel and all of these themes. And remake that. Using all of your crazy ideas

>>716196738
Their actions are also instrumental in creating a stable time loop that ensures their own rise. A dying Ultimecia travels back in time and passes her sorceress powers to a young Edea, ensuring the very threat the heroes were trained to fight will exist. Ansem, as a Heartless, travels to the past to instruct his younger self, Young Xehanort, to gather other versions of himself across time, setting the entire multi-game saga in motion.

>>716196932
shut the fuck up you faggot. remake failed. they're never doing another project like that. my favorite game remains unraped. HAHA

>>716196872
It's nuts. Make crazy ff8 remake. Then straight ff7 remake. I wonder what is going on with ff9 remake. Becouse it seems to be delayed quite bit.

>>716197031
it never existed but has been canceled

>>716196998
At rate they are going. They might not make games at all in near future.
Doubt MS and sony will be shilling out money for them

>>716196932
Because Kitase spent ten years trying to get the FF7 remake project off the ground. No one in SE was fighting to make an FF8 remake. Between the project that someone actually wanted to make and the project that no one really thought about making, which would you expect to be made if at all?

You people act like an FF8 remake project's a no brainer, but no one at SE actually wants to make that, or at least they didn't at the time.

>>716196921

>>716196738
Fun fact I didn't know much about FF7 when I played KH the first time.
Ansem had just revealed his true grey haired anime man form and ran off from hollow bastion.
I went to Olympus Coliseum and tried out the platinum match against Sephiroth.. a grey haired anime man. me and my brother were like.
>wait a minute isn't this the guy we're chasing
>he ran off to Olympus collusem?
for a short while we legitimately thought the main objective was in Olympus.

>>716197116
Too many anime guys with grey hairs in that game.

>>716196921
>>716197098
is this some cryptic easter egg that they were thinking about and 8 remake too? thank god it failed

>>716197184
They were playing with the idea of FF7 setting up the world of FF8 and FF10, but gave up on it.

>>716197082
Probably. There seemed to be same thing happening with it as 7. Where another studio was making in. But sudendly square came in and took over.
>>716197085
Why did they ditched CyberConnect2 then? Their versio of remake looked quite bit like end product. Why not let other studios to remake those games.
At first they don't want to make it. Then when someone is making it. They get butthurt and take over.

R=U

>>716197219
might've just been tech demoing balamb to build off for the remake early. either way I'm basically completely sure it won't happen

>>716197219
it's just a reference and neo midgar doesn't even look like balamb. It's way bigger.

>>716197184
They are blaming sony for rebirth failures. It will be funny when next one comes out and still fails.
Rebirth is first came in long time I didn't finish. Such booring piece of shit.

>>716197295
Didn't they say on last investors call how they are focusing on remakes for now and don't wait for new games until 2030

>>716196393
Yeah. In Kingdom Hearts, time travel has strict rules. A person must first abandon their body and exist only as a heart. They can only travel to an era where a version of themselves already exists, and they cannot change events that are destined to happen.
Final Fantasy VIII, time travel is primarily facilitated by Ellone's unique power to send a person's consciousness into the past, where they can only inhabit the body of someone Ellone knew in her past. The traveler is a passive observer and cannot alter history.
Pretty much same rules.

>>716197397
oh jesus christ, please god don't remake 8.

>>716197430
please remake 8.
fuck this guy.

>>716197430
don't worry anon the story will be soo much better this time around but we'll have to split the game up in to 4 separate parts if that's ok with you

Wait, wasn't there are a rumor that originally Sora was meant to be Squall's son or something? And also a... lion? Here's an early concept art.

A remake of FF8 could only be an improvement. FF8's story isn't actually that good. People are just enamored by its ideas, but the execution is flawed and too many useful ideas got abandoned due to time constraints. FF8 as it is is kind of dumb and full of holes, held together entirely by fans filling in the gaps with their imaginations. The game you have in your head is better than what you actually played.

>>716197558
kys

>>716173703 (OP)
they could have made their battle royale spin-off about the garden vs garden battles, but noooooo, we must milk the FFVII franchise, bros.

>>716173703 (OP)
Man I gotta go through the FF series. Peak soul some of those areas.

>>716197430
They talked how sales are down but profits are up. Becouse remakes are cheeper to do then new games. And their new games have performed softly.
New console generation will hit on 2027/2028. Who knows if someone will fork out money for ff8 remake as console exclusive.

>>716197573
no u

>>716197603
Really? Rebirth seems like it would have been a pretty expensive game to make.

>>716196386
Squall if he Indian

>>716197553
is this actually early KH concept art?

>>716197553
Squall fucked a Mumba.

>>716197098
>pasting random junk mail flyers up in your house
Why would tifa have a ridiculous ad for Costa del Sol in her room.. posted awkwardly to the side of her cupboard?
Surely there were better places to put this..
their retconned explanation for her limit move is she got the idea from a trashy ad?
(an ad referencing FF8... a game that did not exist when FF7 was made so none of this is valid)

>>716195423
I'm just glad it's not getting enshittified outside of a shoddy demaster right now like 7 is

>>716197558
Still mogged 9, the game only contrarians pretend to like.

>>716197667
Yup.

>>716197686
It's because Tifa was kind of self-conscious about how barren her room is. As an underdweller, she didn't exactly have a ton of opportunity to buy cool shit. Under normal circumstances, she's probably the type to decorate her room with posters and fancy shit if she could, but all she could get her hands on were a poster for Costa Del Sol and some expensive shoes that she never wears because you can't kick in them.

>>716197652
It probably was. But they were happy at end how well it worked and expect quicker and cheeper turnaround for last game.
Also sony paid the bill.
They are probably comparing it vs ff15 and 16

>>716196386
https://youtu.be/0-x2llAIDAY?si=rtkny6hy6gETvGRR

>>716197801
do you have any 8 concept art? this is really cool

>>716197801
So wait, Squall would be a Nobody?

>>716197801
Who was the man in the cloak supposed to be? Squall?

>>716197686
For some reason Intergrade and Rebirth have tons of FF8 references. They even dropped a Laguna reference, saying Laguna wrote the Loveless play.

>>716197846
Considering how much of the final act involves returning to past locations, I'd imagine that Rebirth probably actually ended up footing a lot of the bill for Part 3. So in the long run, yeah, Rebirth was expensive, but it also lessened the burden for Part 3. Plus we're even returning to Midgar, so overall, it'll probably be the cheapest of the three.

>>716190319
they get a cute fishing epilogue together at least

Squall has a strange role in KH and him being referred to as Leon was always an interesting decision I thought. Maybe he was originally much more in the plot as a halfbreed oc character or something

>>716197930
Yeah.
Nomura also wanted to hint as Rinoa being dead or something.

>>716197981
I think Intergrade was the point where they were seriously considering an FF8 remake before they shelved the idea.

>>716197870
https://imgur.com/a/early-ffviii-concept-art-by-yoshitaka-amano-H6XsedP

>>716198072
interesting

>>716197996
It'd be hilarious if they decided to stretch the game by adding shit from Dirge of Cerberus and the animated movie.

>>716197996
They talked how they did future proofing for 3. Which if probably true. Beocuse they didn't throw bigger fit over rebirth underperfoming. Becouse they know they can put out part 3 cheeper and faster. Then at end sell ff7 remake compleat pack at and and make nice extra slales on top of everything.

Why was Cid so concerned with gunblade users? My theory is that due to how brief and weird their initial meeting was, the only detail concerning Squall that Cid actually remembered was that he carried around a gunblade. So he kept waiting for a gunblade user to graduate.

>>716198071
I never even heard about these references. Really interesting. If they made it in one fucking game and took out all the sweetbaby shit it would even have a chance

>>716198231
perhaps the ff7 remake was the SE humiliation ritual into the new age

>>716197098
>Make texture for modern game
>it has text
>it's too fucking low resolution to even read

Who are the pajeets making this shit and what generation game do they think they're working on?

>>716198231
9 remake is probably meant as test single game remake vs ff7 3 part remake.
But 9 remake seems to be in trouble

>>716198072
I respect Amano for being a cultured Squall+Selphie Chad

>>716196921
I also saved an image of that

>>716198337
well if there are references to 8 a lot in 7 remake then 8 is likely next on their list if they do go the remake route which they apparently still are. I know they'll never split the games in 3 again though

>>716198375
Wasn't Rinoa and Selphie supposed to be the same character initially?

>>716198231
Eh. Thing is FF8 from what I recall was even longer and more expensive than FF7, so I'm not sure if that's really practical. The entire reason FF7 had to be released in parts is because of this as well.

You have to understand that due to how PS1 games were made, they were able to fit a bunch of shit into them for relatively cheap. Character models are just a bunch of low-poly models. Towns and dungeons could be plentiful because most of them were just still images pasted over basic polygons as well. Have you never wondered why FFX's world design was such a huge shift from the original? It didn't even have an overworld, you just moved from location to location via a rudimentary 2D map. This is why it's so hard to make HD remakes of PS1 JRPGs. If you remade those games under modern standards, it would be expensive as fuck. There is no modern JRPG that's as full of content as the PS1 games. It's far too impractical.

>>716173703 (OP)
Hey I got a great idea for a game. Let's start the player off in a giant interconnected building and expect them to know where they're going! And let's make that building a central focus for the rest of the game even though it doesn't need to be this size at all!

>>716182914
Rinoa was a trash love interest. Quistis was clearly superior in every way. Rinoa was used goods by Seifer and her dog.

>>716198417
that would be much more kino, rinoa being more retard cute would be nice.

>>716198479
then they need to scale back the realism and remake the actual game with the best graphics they can today. a lesson they should have learned

>>716198375
>Cloud was originally meant to be blonde and wear purple
What did Amano mean by that?

>>716196738
They both have massive cleavage too

>>716173703 (OP)
FF8 is my favorite one. I wish they'd have mods to fix the remaster that weren't behind a fucking paywall on patreon. The backgrounds look like such ass.

>>716198584
They'd just say there's no point and throw out a remaster instead.

>>716194525
Nojima is his own worst enemy

>>716198573
>>716198417
Yes.
In the demo game they released Rinoa is pretty much in Selphie's place, and even in the normal game you can see that they just plasted Selphie unto her spot. You can still see Rinoa shadows.
And they were already playing with the weird idea of time travel and time loops back then. Pic related.

>>716198417
Obviously, Selphie was too quirky for Nomura's tastes. He prefers his waifus to have plain jane personalities.

>>716198404
No. 9 remake devlopment has been going for long time. But they had another studio making it. But eventually square took over it for some reason.
Orginally plan was to announce it at 25th anniversary. But there is issues and no idea if it comes out anymore

>>716198741
9 makes sense to outsource in a sense because you can easily make them all chibi ish cute characters and scale everything down from 7 remake. that one leaked, but it's possible 8 remake is what they're now working on for the next 5 years

>>716198595
And sepiroth looked like Vincent

>>716198898
7 remake was delvoped by CyberConnect2. First look at game was their versio and it looked pretty much it ended up. But square to buthurt and jealous and took over devlopment

>>716190638
ENC-NONE

9 remake would probably be a lot simpler, Compared to 7 or 8, all you'd really need are a bunch of simple, cutesy models.

i better get isekaid to balamb garden

>>716198417
No but the game originally had 3 romance paths and one of those was Selphie's. Nomura ruined the game during production by being a massive Rinoafag. If you wondered why Selphie contrasts with Squall so well and why he's so nice to her, then yeah. here's your answer. Selphie's romance path was also written first I think so you see leftovers of it in the game (this makes your point half correct)

I hope Nomura is not involved in the FF8 remake at all. I want my Selphie romance I was robbed of in my childhood dammit

>>716199075
selphie sucks dick anon. mogged by rinoa. mogged by quistis. mogged by edea. she sucks

I still find hilarious the story that Nojima knew Nomura was weirdly attached to Rinoa, because she reminded him of someone he knew, and because of that Nojima decided to torment Nomura by adding the Seifer bit. Nojima even made fun of Nomura saying that Nomura would come in saying "Rinoa wouldn't say that, Rinoa wouldn't that, Rinoa doesn't talk this way, and so on", and would make fun of him.

>>716199075
You can tell that Nomura really has a type. Tifa, Rinoa, Kairi. He has the most vanilla taste in women.

>>716199036
Rumour is square was making simpler remake. Then they got blindsided by that fan made tech demo and it blew their versio out of water.

>>716196393
I think Kingdom Hearts started development in 1998 too. I never save any sources to this shit though. It's around the time both 8 and 9 were being developed. And Lion Sora didnt happen because they didnt want him to look like Zidane I think?

>>716199220
zidane was likely a redesign of sora

>>716199220
>And Lion Sora didnt happen because they didnt want him to look like Zidane I think?
Oh, shit now that makes sense.

>>716199197
Well they can't make anything too fancy. There's no way they can make a game in that style the size of FF9 and sell it as one package. The costs would be retarded.

>>716199121
this kind of low effert trolling deserves straight up death punishment

Why don't indies make games with pre rendered backgrounds?

>>716199259
or a repurposing of those elements of that design

>>716199220
So Squall fucked a Mumba, Zidane was born, but he later changed his named to Sora?

>>716175948
Jew

>>716199305
the truth isn't trollnig anon. it's simply the truth. it never sit right with me that her name was selphie and selfie became a thing a few years later. suspicious bitch

>>716199220
>And Lion Sora didnt happen because they didnt want him to look like Zidane I think?
Huh. That checks out.
So Sora is Squall and Zidane's buttbaby design wise.

>>716198510
Kys zoomie

>>716199312
they should. I'm amazed there aren't thousands of ps1 FF type indie rpgs on steam. the market is there

>>716199312
Because they take a lot of work and effort to make, anon. Most indies are so shit at art that they specifically make their games as low-detail as possible. You need talent to make a bunch of pre-rendered background art.

>>716173703 (OP)
8r would have mogged 7r hard
Balamb>>>>>Midgard

>>716198510
just look at the map and teleport you fucking retard

>>716196850
>There is even concept art of that versio of ffx

Square employees werent/aren't really allowed to talk about cancalled games very much so imagine all the shit we dont know about. Nomura mentioned the keyblade armour came from a cancelled game.

>>716199431
If Nojima was involved he would ruin the game with his doom and gloom.

Reminder, Nojima big plan for a X3 game was Yuna cuckolding Tidus with a small kid and Tidus being in a constant threat of disappearing, and Sin coming back yet again.

>>716190307
>friends are..... le good? - japanese
:D
>friends are..... le good? - any other language
:\

>>716199461
This looks like a fever dream.

>>716199075

>people's impression of FF8 will be different depending if they like Rinoa or not
>everyone fucking hated her

lol lmao even

>>716196932
>Why not make ff8 rebirth.

Because money. Square fucked up with the luminoise engine and FF13 and FF15 and FF14 at first so they needed money. that's it lol.

>>716199461
this looks great

>>716199497
>Yuna cuckolding Tidus
them breaking up in the afterstory is among some of the dumbest shit i've read

>>716192709
Verum rex is a fucking crime. Let Nomura release it and you will have people trying a new ip without having to play KH
Not even millennials give a shit about KH anymore

>>716199461
It's just what got put on to Ultimania.

Nomura early design for Squall in FF8. He always wanted Squall to have long hair. He finally got his wish in KH.

>>716199525
Cool as fuck fever dream. Everything about beta FFX sounded way cooler and more interesting than the final game

>>716190151
taking a shit

>>716199627
both look sexo

>>716199636
>>716199461
What's with Nomura and little people with wings behaving as fairies?

>>716192357
Pretty much, the time travel shit in 7 doesn't even make any sense, this is why you shouldn't trust popularity only, balamb missions, filler to expand all those dropped characters and gunblade would have worked a lot better with the 7r format

>>716199461

>>716199614
I have a sneaking suspicion that Verum Rex was actually an idea that Nomura had that never got greenlit. And then he combined it with Versus 13.

>>716197870
The one studio who didn't lose all his art drew some art of FF8 and 9. Same as one guy who drew some background art for FF9.

>>716199747
Tidus looks like an NPC in this vision.

>>716199748
Yeah, but I hate SE retards won't let him do it
It's a new ip
It has cute characters
It doesn't have KH burden behind
Like, even if he releases it it won't be in years and not even zoomers will give a fuck then

>>716198021
>Maybe he was originally much more in the plot as a halfbreed oc character or something

It was because they wanted it to be a surprise to FF8 fans. They mention his name before you see him and didnt want to spoil it.

>>716199512
shut the FUCK UP

>>716199838
The thing is that Squall was an integral character for that game in the very early stages.

I suspect square wants to make a remake of 8 at some point but it can't be a simple one like the 9r one supposedly. But they are probably tired of 7r, if they make one it would be one game, 2 at mosts.

They could also have more creative freedom thanks to all the time travel theories this game have. Rinoa becoming Ultimecia if you believe that theory is already more kino than Aerith Sue

>>716199834
My guess is he's too busy. Honestly, Nomura might be one of the busiest guys in SE. Makes sense why they don't let him make a new IP when he's so busy with half a dozen other games at any given time.

>>716199939
did they just abandon the ff references in future games? i only played 1, chain of memories on the gba and half of 2. is 2 still worth playing in your fucking 30s? lol

>>716199748
>>716199834
Verum Rex is just Nomura being obsessed with that dead American actor and putting him in all his games. It is the reason why FFXV open with Stand By Me.

>>716199461

>>716199957
He should start his own studio like kojima did.

>>716197219
We see Shinra from X-2 in one 7r photo, I wouldn't be surprised if the last part teases FFXR

>>716199832
It's not really Tidus. Just some generic male dude. Yuna was PC and later on theywent with male PC and picket concept art guy

>>716199259
No Nomura said was a combination of all his characters up to that point and he didnt day this but obviously Mickey Mouse. He's Sion from the Bouncer especially. Zidane wasnt his character.

>>716199461
>>716199636
>>716199747
>>716200036
Sicksicksicksicksicksicksick

>>716196921
>10 is another planet, Shinra actually traveled to both Midgard and Spira
>8 is the future world after 7 was destroyed by meteor (reconned by AC)

>>716200052

>>716199636
It looks like they took all the coolness of beta Tidus and put it into his dad.

>>716200252
Bigger image.

>>716200252
seems like a bit of a reach

>>716200252
>Part 3 credits
>We see Shinra going to Spira
>Tidus waking up teaser
I wouldn't be surprised, the persona leaker I think already said they were working on 10 remake, though that might be just like crisis Core Reunion

>>716199819
Was this garden supposed to be notCanada?

>>716176794

>>716200317
7-10 being connected is one of the oldest theories

>>716196703
>>716192709
>Shanghaid
Kitase is at fault for this one desu. He rejected the FF13 pitch Nomura made and finished first in favor of the one Motomu Toriyama prepared. Crystal Tools being made in 2005 was separate from this since 13 was being made as a PS2 game at the time but it was clear Nomura wanted his time in the spotlight with his manifesto political conflict anti-KH with guns Final Fantasy and Kitase went with the interactive movie pitch known as Colors World with Lightning in it. And then this project made by people with next to no experience in 3D level design caused Crystal Tools to only work for linear interactive movie games.

I said this before in a previous thread but it bears repeating:
Both 13 and 14 stole Versus staff for 9 months every year from 2009 to 2012. And then ARR and Tabata happened at the same time keeping Nomura stuck in Osaka. He never had any long-term development with the Tokyo team, only 3 months yearly.

>Nomura was greatly disrespected as an artist and a game developer. He should leave Square and start his own studio but the square money is probably still too good. I can't figure out why he would stick around and put up with their bullshit.
Mana's Koichi Ishii told Nomura he has stay at Square for as long as possible under any circumstance as he was the successor to its creative craft (skipping Motomu Toriyama and Kitase who notably worked on the original Mana game).

This was in the era around the merger at the same time as people like Tetsuya Takahashi, Soraya, Shinta Kameoka, Kyoji Koizumi, Yasumi Matsuno and several other influential people leaving and Koichi Ishii said that he and Hiroshi Takai are Square's last hope. I can see why.

Rebirth actually put a definitive end to the idea that FF7 is a sequel to FF10. In Rebirth, it's revealed that species that aren't indigenous to a given planet can't enter its Lifestream, meaning they can't die. The Gi are endlessly tormented by this, and went insane because their souls couldn't handle the stress of being around for millions of years.

>>716200419
"confirmation" based on the shape of a gas mask though?

>>716200428
>Toriyama allowed to make TWO more games even after 13 failed
Man Nomura should just quit the company and make totally not versus 13 for a different one, join Xenoblade people or some shit

>>716199998
2 has really good combat. The FF cameos got less and less overtime. Birth by Sleep only had a few and they switched to TWEWY and Einhander until FF was in the DLC in 3. But Verum Rex is reused Versis 13. Like, it's all clearly meta commentary on what happened at Square. And in the beta Nomura used Versus 13 models as placeholders.

Laguna and the Radiant Garden characters as kids were cut from BBS and DDD switched to Twewy characters for traverse town.

>>716177004
I miss Spoony.

>>716200428
>manifesto political conflict anti-KH with guns Final Fantasy
If you take out the guns part this is just XVI. Right down to the Nomura staff working on it... without Nomura ofc.

>>716200136
It was inspired by Jean Giraud comics

I wish there was a version of ff8 without the level scaling, but keeping everything else. Every single mod that removes the level scaling also does some cringe balancing changes.

>>716200167
8 is future of 3 see the middle of this thread where people are talking about Hyne

Sakaguchi forbade sequels I wonder if any devs secretly wanted to make one before x2

>>716200501
Every ex-Square employee would kill Nomura if he did lol. I get it though

>>716196932
Because gamers themselves are ruining gaming with muh numbers
New game didn't sell like cod day one? That ip must be killed forever because MUH NUMBERS
Gamers became fucking cancer and condescending and they have more fun trashing developers over being patient. Just imagine if Capcom never made re2, 4 and 7 after a few failures

>>716200504
>But Verum Rex is reused Versis 13. Like, it's all clearly meta commentary on what happened at Square.
I thought the meta-commentary was in NEO and SoP.
>And in the beta Nomura used Versus 13 models as placeholders.
I saw this, though.

>>716200642
Well so why don't treat him BETTER? They even shadowdropped neotwewy in steam at the same time persona 5 released there kek
Seriously Nomura, just quit, the amount of disrespect is a fucking parody at this point, as soon as he finishes KH4 and works on versus 13 rex again he will be forced to make kh5
Nomura needs to learn to say no

>>716200548
I never read much besides the Incal but that guy influenced so much Japanese shit its unreal

>>716200734
>Nomura needs to learn to say no
YES

>>716200734
My theory is someone at SE is really jealous of Nomura so they silently bully it (you know japanese autism) BUT they also know they need him.
He doesn't even want to talk about 15, a game Tabata just cut like 90% of the story out and tried to take credit of it

>>716200702
If you reread what the nameless star says in 3 it's really obviously Stella talking about how they changed her to Lunafreya. Quadratum literally means square lol.

I still don't know how the fuck timelines work in 7r. Planet having a soul makes sense but timelines?

>>716200734
>Well so why don't treat him BETTER?

What if they treat him worse and cancel the last game he was working on instead.

I dont even care about playing it but all that yoko shimomura music got lost just like versus 13. And the story looked good.

>>716200852
I youtubed that KH mobile game and holy shit, Nomura really wants to make dark games, if anything the whole Disney crap is a fucking burden now and the least interesting parts
Fucking suits don't want a new potential popular ip because they are too cowards these days even when KH and ff existed thanks to them not wanting to have dq only

>>716200829
Correct.
>What is Nomura's endgame?
>There is an effort by Square to forget that XV under Tabata ever existed.

>Tabata already gave FF the status it used to have in America so he pretty much did what the suits asked him to do even if Tokyo Team anon is furious they made the writing MCU tier. This allowed Nomura to come back onto the spotlight with 7R even if it was essentially assigned to him against his will.

>But moment they found out XV's momentum was flagging and Project Athia wounded profits in 2018, they kicked him out. Considering that new fans kept associating Tabata with XV since 2016, they probably thought it would be in bad taste to let it continue so they cut him off and dropped him just before Episode Ardyn. They're probably only letting Forspoken out on the open world so Luminous Productions wipes their hands off the project that Tabata kept on talking about for years after XV's release.

>At the same time though everyone suddenly asked Square Enix about Versus in those surveys and Nomura suddenly added the Verum Rex trailer in KH3. With him suddenly leading multiple projects in supervisory positions and even getting promoted internally things seem to be looking up for him, and in the FF11 interview between Nomura and the producer that got released today no mention of XV is made in any form whatsoever even if he was credited as creator.

>Forspoken looks underwhelming, I'm surprised that S-E didn't cancel it. Unless they're trying to recoup the costs that were spent on Luminous engine and the formation of Luminous productions.

>I think that's exactly what they're doing. It's squarely aimed at the XV demographic, but unfortunately the entire reason why Forspoken exists is the same reason why NEO TWEWY and 7R didn't do as well as Square Enix expected: because serious anime plots with lots of meaning and good and substantiated political commentary is cringe, and vidya like MCU movies exist for spectacles and nothing else.

>>716200914
Versus 13 was Yakuza kino. Noctis father looked better. I facepalmed hard when expedition33 praised Tabata when he is just stealing someone else's work (and made it worse), I guess he really paid like Neil Cuckmann with Kojima to force himself in

>>716200829
Master of Masters is 100% going to be Tabata or whoever hates him so bad there. Or at least the antagonist of Yozora

Imagine having to deal with Square Enix AND Disney at the same time. And then every single Disney writing team behind every movie used for levels. Disney disallowed movies crossing over in 1 butnnow do it all the time for their shit gacha. If I was Nomura I'd have lost it

>>716200986
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Part 2)
>I thought about something similar before. Assigning a mobile/handheld developer on a AAA project with already troubled development was retarded. But having Tabata be a scapegoat for it's failure totally makes sense.

>It's just weird to me Tabata went into FFXV with the mindset "even if we fail it's OK" when he started changing it into a Westernized open world kusoge as if it's some indie project he's experimenting with. There is also that insane marketing campaign that practically shoved FFXV down everyone's throats. S-E is run by a bunch of monkeys.

>Did you hear about the theory with the legacy of Tabata's XV being actively covered up?
>I mean, Tabata left SE and took some people with him. I would be surprised if anyone would want to defend his legacy as the opportunity he got to direct a mainline FF game was a huge honor. That he would just leave and take some talented people with him no doubt hurt SE, even if it was an amicable parting. I personally don't believe that he was fired, but I do think that the way the FFXV DLC was canned after he left meant SE was ditching whatever direction Tabata was taking his team and sending it in another. And with Nomura a more powerful force at SE, I'm sure he'll be very happy to help everyone forget about that time so he can redo things the way he always wanted to.

>Kujiraoka: This costume was actually from Versus XIII's costume...
>Nomura: Wait are we allowed to say that name?
>Kujiraoka: Yeah, it's ok.
>Nomura: Because before it was not allowed...
>Hazama: Uh, it's complicated.... but it's ok now.

https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/598946567/#q598974141
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/587326452/#q587391902

>This memory holing is even [happening] likely because Nomura has been getting more power and pull in the company [so Stellafag says] NEO and SoP getting his final sign off on every aspect are indicators of influence and more likely making a team being set up for bigger things.

>>716200983
I don't get why can't they make games with fixed cameras and mapamundis, it adds A LOT of charm. A FF9R with free camera would ruin a lot of charm since 9 relies a lot on really well put camera angles

>>716200884
The multiverse is in the livestream or some shit?

>>716201001
Isn't Master of Masters adult Sora travelling back in time to set DESTINY into motion? I got that impression.

It would make sense, if we take what happens in FF8 ending.

>>716200986
If Nintendo was smarter they would steal this guy and give him money to make Versus 13 clone

>>716201032
>>716201001
>>716200950
>>716200914
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Blocked by Suits)
>Why is Nomura so unlucky? hasn't he done enough for square? hasn't he given them kingdom hearts? hasn't he created an iconic jrpg style? hasn't he contributed to ff7 significantly?

>Because people want the opposite of what he makes. They want simple handholdy stories with simple handholdy combat systems. The Tokyo Team battle system was scrapped to praise from Tabata, journalists and zoomers alike. And the original Nomura-authored political conflict was taken out and 15 was successful because it was 'made less anime'. SoP and Days were shat on for making people experience negative emotions and drama that got in the way of their gameplay.
>Note: You can argue that 16 still hasn't captured the elusive American/European mainstream market for this reason (aka breaking 5 mil like 15 did). This market calls the above KH nonsense.

>Edgy and dark still really isn't cool enough for the mainstream. I saw someone on Twitter say that RPG fans will only play Final Fantasy games if it had the combat system and writing of Borderlands and the aesthetics and quips of a Marvel movie. Even Zelda has too much plot for people who don't play Japanese games. Square will do anything to become as big as Ubisoft even if they shouldn't.

>People don't want a good RPG; they want a lame power fantasy with fancy presentation. All hype (moments and aura), no substance.
>That's why Versus XIII was retooled into XV.

>>716200983

This trailer got me so giddy.

>>716201071
Sora = MoM is just a theory

Apparently dataminers found his name but shitty smalltime eceleb kingdom Hearts youtubers and Twitter fags in a secret discord wont leak it because they're moralfagging or lying attention whores

>>716201096
>>716200734
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Dreamgame Development Denied)
>CEO asks you to direct KH3 and assign a guy who helped you make CCFF7 and T-0 to co-direct your other game
>You cannot make a trilogy and have to compress the game into a single entry
>You fight with the CEO since you worked your ass off and you really want to finish this passion project
>He lets you work on the project a little bit more and tells you to watch E3
>"Wow a fucking FF7R remake that's cool"
>Directed by Tetsuya Nomura
>WAT
>You are removed from your 'weird' and 'dark' passion project to work on 'more lucrative' products
>Be told Tabata will faithfully finish the project provided you can fit your vision into a single game
>He doesn't
>Develop KH3 with a shitty engine that barely fucking works only to delay it because of said shitty engine
>Everyone blames you since no one has a fucking clue about how shitty Square management is
>Meanwhile you are forced to direct FF7R
>Outsourcing is so bad you take it upon yourself to develop 7R in-house due to the love for the game
>15 releases and it's completely different from your vision. You hate is so much you make VERSUS references left and right in KH3
>Meanwhile Disney fucks you over and over again with extremely heavy restrictions
>KH3 releases but it's not what many expected thanks to mismanagement, restrictions and juggling development with another equally as huge AAA game
>You are so angry about VERSUS you want to make another game which is kind of sort-of a reference to it but isn't as ambitious and dark as VERSUS would have been
>Get news that FF7R has a new director to help you out

Now:
>Tabata got fired. Luminous dissolved. Kitase is too busy with FF7 and Nomura has two directors on FF7R-2 to watch his office for signs of Kitase looking for him.
>Nothing can stop Nomura. He's making a game about an angry man, one that's as angry as he is. Angry about Versus. Angry about Chaos.

>>716201093
Nintendo doesn't care about weeb games believe it or not. For example they put Pikmin in strategy awards but completely forget about Fire Emblem despite being so popular.
Xenoblade 3 didn't sell as much and Nintendo refuses to help Xenoblade team by adding
>From the ones that helped create BOTW world
Xenoblade team are cucking themselves by not being multiplatform

>>716189806
FUCKING sovl

>>716201140
I cant believe it's been 50 years since that trailer came out. I'll be 200 on my 4th body possession by the time it comes out.

>>716201171
>>716201001
What is Nomura's endgame? Re:located
>Square Enix will relocate its main offic to a new building currently under construction in the East Side Square of Tokyo's Shinjuku ward. Construction is expected to be completed in April.

>Nikkei BP says the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest developer/publisher will move from its current headquarters in another part of Shinjuku to the new building some time in summer.

>Square Enix was previously based in Tokyo's Meguro ward, but the company moved to Shinjuku in 2004. Famed composer and former employee Nobuo Uematsu previously claimed the move was spurred by a fortune teller's prediction.

>"[Square Enix CEO and president Yoichi] Wada took a couple of locations to a fortune teller named Pao," said Uematsu. "Pao said the Meguro space was not going to bring any fortune to the company, and pointed to Shinjuku. That's why he decided to move it there. I heard this directly from Wada."
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/this-week-in-japanese-news-square-enix-to-otome

>Reminder that XVI also features an emperor who is himself ruled entirely by fortune tellers. Ask an old Square Enix employee (Matsuno, Maehiro, Minagawa, Kujiraoka, literally any veteran FF employee) and they will know what Yoshi-P meant by that.

>Nomura knows this too.

>>716184742
the second half is great from a gameplay perspective of just exploring everything and discovering a bunch of shit to do. story wise yeah its bad, but thats the kind of the point, the world is literally ruined. theres nothing to do except get the gang back together and take down the big bad. balancing issues are fixed with t-edition.

>>716201191
The best feature about Selphie is that she is utterly depressed, suicidal, and homicidal but she fakes her feelings by constantly trying to put forward an optimistic front. Every now and then in the game she will say something fucked up like wanting to skin the lion thingys.

>>716200971
it hurts so much

>>716184901
honestly anon, you should do it. opportunities like these dont just grow on trees.

>>716184742
>Overall a good game but I rate it below 7, 8, 9
obviously. it's like the beta for 7. they pushed the limits of the snes so hard their next gen game was a no brainer to really accomplish everything they wanted to do. its great for that reason

>>716201243
>>716201001
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Dividing Good Hires/2 Teams Or More In Their Early Days)
>There are theories that Nomura is making use of a power vacuum at Square ever since the 2 CEOs + Tabata left. Koichi Ishii [of Mana] told him to cement or maintain SquareSOFT's old culture for a new generation before he put up Grezzo.
>That's why Nomura stayed.

>Nomura has big plans for Square in and out of KH. He plans to take control of it and make it a safe haven for younger devs like what he did with KH1, Dissidia, TWEWY and Versus each time. Even the 7R games are him just sending design documents his apprentices to work on.
>This happened with Kingdom Hearts, this happened with Dissidia, this happened with Versus and to some extent the Osaka Team is this too.
>What he needs to do is to get his old KH team members stuck in CBU1 that only recently got senior positions (Mitsunori Takahashi and co), move them to CBU3, rehire Yuichi Kanemori and make Versus under Yoshi-P, Maehiro and Nojima clashing in the writers room for another trilogy.

>Kingdom Hearts
>Younger FF (7 and 8) devs who did some work for 9/10, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross
>Now I know why he's playing those games

>Osaka Team
>Younger KH devs /also/ mixed with people from Musashi 2 who wanted to please the boss by making 3D CoM

>Dissidia
>Younger KH devs who only worked on KH, a few from FF11

>Versus 13
>Nomura reportedly looked for people who worked on 7 and 8 but never got lead positions on purpose
>KH but 2FM hire Masanori Sato was immediately promoted to Lead Battle Planner under Yuichi Kanemori (then unceremoniously moved to the Regalia when Nomura was removed)
>Younger half of Dirge devs, some stayed on 13 but did not work on 13-2 including future SoP director Daisuke Inoue
>A large crop of FF12/SaGa devs including Gambit system dev Takashi Isowaki
>Some FF11 devs like Nobuyoshi Mihara
>Devs from Team Gyromancer/Last Remnant lumped in with Kawazu devs like Masato Yagi

>>716173703 (OP)
Home

>>716201256
They didn't actually plan to add the ruined world at first which I think is why they ran out of plot. But I loved it too. It got really open ended and non linear so its just up to you to explore. Also the beginning with Cid and Celes and switching to Celes was great

What did they mean by this?

>>716200971
They probably killed one of the most popular female characters forever

>>716201320
>What is Nomura's endgame? Limit(ed Filesize, So Two Games and Half My Team Got) Cut
>When Versus XIII was cancelled, Nomura's heart found a home in CBU3 and suddenly took Naoki Yoshida twice during the production of Shadowbringers and Endwalker, which is why KH2 battle planners, programmers, designers, modelers and artists joined the FFXVI team. The Nomura Tetsuya we know at CBU1 is Xamuron Sexyutta, his angry Nobody.

>And Versus was itself sundered into Shards:
>Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin
>Kingdom Hearts 3 and 4
>Final Fantasy XV and Forspoken
>Final Fantasy VII Remake, Rebirth and Regame 3
>NEO The World Ends With You
>Final Fantasy XVI
>Verum Rex
>Final Fantasy XIV Shadowbringers and Endwalker (pic related)
>Reynatis
>All complement one another. When they reunite the market will remember and ask, "When is Versus XV?"

>That means Nomura should join CBU3, the disciples of Yasumi Matsuno and have Maehiro and Akiyama work their magic at a political narrative with high octane Nitroplus drama. We will have our late night anime kino.

>>716200971
the game looked so fucking good

>>716199312
what game? or just a concept

>>716201272
>Toriyama gets to have an entire trilogy
Peak humiliation ritual

>>716201260
based as fuck. depressed, suicidal, and homicidal girls who pretend to be cheerful energetic genki girls are the best

>>716200428
>Tokyo team
You know I used to think people were being retarded since Square is a Tokyo company with a studio in Osaka but I didn't know the people specifically meant the KH2 team until recently.

>>716201463
Why did they do such an awful job with remake Aerith? She feels like one of those modern TikTok girls more focused on being the center of everything and never actually getting mad at her fate

>>716201515
dilly dally shilly shally was when aeris jumped the shark

>even forspoken was allowed over versus
No way Tabata is not nepobaby or doesn't have links with the yakuza
I suspect his 15fanboy is some hire indian shill too

>>716192089
>my girlfriend has a friend who likes you
>the friend

>>716201484
Technically it's the battle planning team and some of his codirectors. The battle planning director left Square Enix but hasn't been seen on any video games at all since Pokemon Masters in 2021. This was also just before KH4 was announced and so were Reaction Commands.
The animation director for all of KH and co-creator of TWEWY is the guy who left earlier this year (likely the fall guy for Missing Link since he directed all the mobile games). He was Nomura's friend since 7 and followed him even to Crisis Core Reunion and then left.
I can fill you in but it's a bit of a long story

>>716192089
fuck was this actually the first tranny in FF? not kyja? and a fucking ftm? BLURRGHH

>>716201515
They tried to make Aerith too waifulike. If Aerith exploded with I WANT TO LIVE! or something her character would have been a lot better
Doesnt help remake is too long and you have Aerith trying to have safe cock with either cloud or Zack

>>716200734
Ironically, they probably do. It's just that SE's situation's been shaky for a while now. Mostly likely, they don't blame Nomura for what happened with Versus 13. The reason they kept pulling staff from Versus 13 was probably the other projects desperately needed it. The reason Nomura got pulled from 15 was probably because they needed him to work on too much other shit.

The circumstances under which V13 became FF15 are somewhat suspect as well. The fact that they turned it into FF15 implies that something went wrong somewhere. It implies one of two things: 1) they were unable to make a "real" FF15 for whatever reason or 2) they WERE making FF15 but it was either stuck in development hell or they had to scrap it early on. Whatever the case, it seems to me that SE was getting antsy about not having a new main line Final Fantasy and decided to turn V13 into FF15 as a last minute emergency decision. Because think about it, why would they take what was originally a spin-off, stuck in development hell because people kept getting pulled from it in order to work on other things, and turn it into the next mainline title of their flagship franchise? It's unthinkable. It reeks of desperation.

So there are two lines of thought here. They transformed Versus 13 into Final Fantasy 15 purely because they were desperate to announce a new main line game.
But also, they understood how shaky the situation with this game actually was, so they pulled Nomura from it in order to focus on KH3 and FF7R. Somehow, a main line Final Fantasy game became a lesser priority for them, which is completely fucking bonkers.

>>716201569
that was tifa you zoom zoom. it was also only in the terrible english dub. in of jap script she tires to cheer up using old jap saying

What do you guys make of the fact that so many characters are based on american cultural icons. MJ, Mike Tyson (also oddly enough he didn't get the tattoo until after FFVIII) Robin Williams, Jaba the hut etc etc

>>716201431
Holy shit you just listed 13 games

How does Nomura do it?

>>716201647
I see someone read the writeups. The main two that aren't here.

>>716201647
They also had other cancelled projects like ff12 fortress which I suspect it became ff16

>>716201647
>Kingdom hearts really became a negative net uh
Just make FF and new ips, nobody gives a shit about Disney anymore

>>716201674
>Jaba the hut
Great American icon.

>716201694
Before someone posts more pasta spew, what is spoilerfag talking about?

>>716201609
>Everyone is leaving Nomura
Is that why Nomura wrote all of Xehanort's friends dying in Dark Road...

>>716201609
Endo didn't come back. Kanemori might be back but KH2 also had pretty servicable level design for an ARPG. Animation directors leaving is one thing but Nomura needs people who are good at gameplay systems so if he can remake Versus without Endo and Kanemori it will be shaky.

>>716201738
literally jabba>>716175948

>>716201674
Kojima copied American actors for his first games and clock tower literally stole Jennifer Tilly looks and even the same fucking plot as one of Jennifer movies

>faggots spam up final fantasy thread with stupid theory debunked decades ago

Rinoa never existed, it was always Ultimecia.
You can cope somewhere else.

>>716201765
I just remembered Xehanort is now Nomura's self-insert. I thought it was Jack Garland raging against the makers of the world of FF1 but forget people like him tend to have more than one.

>>716191847
That's galbadia garden retardo

>>716201660
I could've sworn it was aerith and it gets repeated later in the movie where he sees her ghost or whatever

Honestly though, everyone should have realized something had gone very wrong when they announced that they turned a spin-off into a main line title. Versus XIII was just supposed to be a passion title for Nomura. It likely wasn't even supposed to have the same degree of budget as a normal main line game. By turning it into FFXV, it's practically admitting that things were severely fucked behind the scenes.

Doomed number, 13, i mean.

>>716201674
It was when America was at it's peak. Fantasy movies with amazing visuals, amazing movies, even not fantasy movies had an appealing aesthetics
Modern American movies are cancer and I laugh at Kojima trying to fit in modern Hollywood while he looks kinda disappointed, he is having his dream but he arrived too late

>>716201674
Hollywood and America just inspired Japan a lot in general for whatever reason. NES FF was inspired by Ultima. Probably because it was so dominant. They were also going for FMV for the first time with 7 which was going to be set in New York at one point so why not take inspiration from movies?

>>716201871
was type 0 shit?

>>716201515
They made her into a classic overly perfect Dendere. The basic bitch main heroine archetype

>>716190638

based spirit bomb enjoyer

I hate ff12 director for abandoning the team and leave the huge ivalice world with barely any story

>>716201832
Ok hear me out. If Rinoa wasnt Ultimecia then Ultimecia should have been a romance option.

>>716201832
I can't blame them for keeping it going. The actual FF8 story is painfully dry compared to the autistic headaches people conjure up within these threads

>>716201927
But she feels so fucking manipulative all the time

>>716201932
Are you sure? 85% of the cutscenes were already finished when Matsuno left.
Still, they didn't make the 15% due to lack of time and some level of confusion without their leader guiding them.

>>716201457
bless SE

>>716201932
blame sakaguchi for leaving and poaching half the devs

Why is Nomura so crazy for this dead actor?

>>716202019
too hot

>>716201985
So he is a shitty leader

good 8 thread btw. do more

>>716202009
Tanaka poached half the devs anon. Kawazu got the rest.
Who did Sakaguchi get? The leads. Everything fell apart anyway because without them your kohais will never know what to do.
This might be why Nomura stayed

FF was so good jrpgs keep being compared to FF ignoring the new jrpgs
Really makes you think how strong would they be if they actually tried again

>>716201975
>The actual FF8 story is painfully dry compared to the autistic headaches people conjure up within these threads

Disagree that its dry but huge holes we have to fill in is what makes FF8 so great. It's like the Engineer in the first Alien movie or how everyone had theories about The Matrix

>>716201431
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Part 4)
>Pay attention. The rule of good writing is to show, but not tell, and Nomura knows that.

>It's not telling Jack that he'll remember the past, but that he will be *forced* to, and that that makes him a liability because he chose to ignore it and has immediately started feeling the effects.
>The only "telling" part in terms of a narrator insert is how it echoes and reflects Nomura's thoughts on the Versus XIII situation.
>The line in question which is before the "liability" remark is awful and stands out as a conversation the characters absolutely wouldn't have.
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/633824571/#q633852707
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/633824571/#633852893

>"Hey, Nomura-kun. We need to have a talk. Now that Kitase and Hashimoto can't protect us from Matsuda like what happened with Wada, Versus XIII is a liability. You depended on your tenure to keep it in development."
>"In other words, you'll be forced to do your favorite thing: acquiesce."
>"Uh-oh! Well, it was nice knowing you, Tetsu!"
>"Shut up. [Laughs] I don't care about any of that crap."
>"If it's not Versus XIII, making Versus XIII, or edgy and dark, who cares right?"
>"Wrong. All of that's just background noise. All I care about is-"
>"Finding something to replace that purpose you lost?"
>"You got it. I need a game - something to create. I'm nothing without a story to tell."
>"I wouldn't say that."
>"It's a matter of principle, you wouldn't understand. [Laughs]"
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/634121843/#q634185118
https://youtu.be/e2HCQxCsI3E?t=781

>This is Nomura's story. There may be one more chance.

>Harness the burning anger.

>>716189876
Kiros: WOULD

>>716202114
Haters are only brave now that is in the shit
If ff comes back haters will suddenly larp as allies and shill their games alongside FF again
Even metaphorcucks backstabbed expeditionfags trying to involve ffbros against it because expedition 33 is already more successful than metaphor

>>716202075
why? what the fuck happened? this is the reason 12 is the last true FF game btw. I can't stand when people say it's 10. 10 was a fucking expensive tech demo for the ps2

Fujin sex

>>716202114
6-9 were the best jrpgs of all time in that time period. by a huge margin. they're not capable of making games that good anymore though unfortunately

>>716202169
Health issues (Matsuno is actually sickly) mixed with the inability to create a democratic environment did him in. At Quest everyone went along with what he said because his directorial style is like a very nice dictator but you have no choice to deal with requests and suggestions when you suddenly have one hundred or two people under you, unlike FFT/Ogre

>>716202246
worst girl

>>716202227
Neither the rest of the companies. People don't compare games to DQ11 and others
At most Persona 5 which had a great timing because millennials were young and zoomers were kids, but let's see if 35 yo zoomers will enjoy being called old in p6

>>716202246
Same room.

>>716202196
Why did she pretend to be retarded?

>>716202286
I'm playing smtv now and it's surprisingly good. persona 5 was probably the last good jrpg though and it's been ages

>>716201972
I mean technically she was, she is a time traveling, reality warping, possession doing mega bitch.
She could have been Squalls mother, lover, and daughter if she wanted to.
She quite literally forces events that create "Rinoas" body to exist so that she can self-fuffil prophecy her own creation.
So she fucks with Squalls head because Ultimecia is the one that actually kissed him.
There is no love, it was just cruelty.

You think it's a coincidence that Rinoa just so happen to set forth every single event that flows throughout the game just by meeting Squall in The Garden?

>>716202135
>What is Nomura's endgame? ReMIND:er.
>Reminder that this is the heroine of XVI.
>The bottom is the heroine of Versus XIII.
>They know. Just a reminder to stay pissed.
Again. Harness the burning anger.

>>716202329
She's a cute chunni

>>716202387
What is Nomura's endgame (Multistudio-Link)?
>There's that one rumor going around where it says Nomura is trying to gain more power in Square so he can shepherd younger creators like Sakaguchi and Takahashi did for him. (Koichi Ishii told him to when he left after Dawn of Mana.) It's also related to how he's waiting for changes in the market to justify the viability of a Versus reboot.

>NEO TWEWY and SoP were used to test out hunger for Nomura products which might explain why they were marketed badly (Square was anti Nomura when Matsuda was president) and 16 even proved that there is an appetite for dark, politically heavy action RPGs. Verum Rex will be the final phase of Nomura's 'market research and testing phase' since it looks like Versus (and there's the other rumor saying Nomura will use Yozora as a stand-in to talk about how his life was ruined in Shinjuku/Insomnia by Yoichi Wada, who is Luxord).

>The game pegged by many to be a pseud Versu is Reynatis. Published by FuRyu, directed by Takumi Isobe, a self-professed Nomura fanboy who set his game in Shibuya at night, touches on lots of political commentary and convinced Square to let him collaborate with NEO TWEWY. He urged Nomura to make Versus and outright said "I wanted to play your game."

>What makes this interesting is that FuRyu published Legend of Legacy, made by SaGa battle programmer Kyoji Koizumi, considered the catalyst that brought SaGa Scarlet Grace and a revival of the SaGa franchise westward. Perhaps something similar can be said for Nomura...

So assuming R=U is true would that invalidated the ending of 8 or do they break the cycle with the ending?

for me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW61WM0DDUA

what a fucking banger

>>716202304
Cameras were so good

>>716199075
#GiveFF8RemakeTheSelphieRomancePath
#ReleaseTheKitaseCut
#MakeThatRinoafagNomuraStayTheFuckAwayFromIt

>>716202446
I like to think it's an endless loop.

The soundtrack is packed with bangers but this is the ultimate ludokino track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oH5dksLgv8

>>716202549
That's kind of sad

>>716201320
>Versus 13
>Nomura reportedly looked for people who worked on 7 and 8 but never got lead positions on purpose
>KH but 2FM hire Masanori Sato was immediately promoted to Lead Battle Planner under Yuichi Kanemori (then unceremoniously moved to the Regalia when Nomura was removed)
>Younger half of Dirge devs, some stayed on 13 but did not work on 13-2 including future SoP director Daisuke Inoue
>A large crop of FF12/SaGa devs including Gambit system dev Takashi Isowaki
>Some FF11 devs like Nobuyoshi Mihara
>Devs from Team Gyromancer/Last Remnant lumped in with Kawazu devs like Masato Yagi
Do you realize how big of a deal this is?
Nomura had a crack team of game system autists that just so happened to work with experts on serious stories influenced by real life politics and social issues because the most autistic game system autist to ever live in Japan just so happened to be their boss. I read that the VII Remake level design director was the level design director for XII and he worked with Nomura, bringing a bunch of XII/TLR devs with him because he needed their help specifically. They knew how to make things worked in 3D space. And then people bought and loved XV because you didn't need to learn any complex game system to interact with the space around you.
I think we're discussing the same writings too based on what other people have said in the thread

>>716202361
Thing is nothing really seems to suggest that Rinoa is powerful or special enough to actually be Ultimecia. It's all circumstantial. In fact, there's little to suggest that Rinoa is very important at all. She just happens to be important to Squall, the one who's actually important. But there's also not a whole lot to suggest that Squall is particularly important to Ultimecia either. In fact, the biggest issue with Ultimecia overall is that there isn't much of a personal connection with any member of the crew. While Rinoa did become a sorceress, Ultimecia doesn't appear to care who her host was.

I think that's why people cling to the the Rinoa=Ultimecia theory so much. Ultimecia has little substance and she has no strong ties to any member of the core cast. She hates SeeD, but the only reason she hates Squall is because he's the one who keeps getting in her way. There's no prior history between them, there's no strong personal rivalry. These two are practically perfect strangers. But by turning Ultimecia into Rinoa, you establish a powerful connection, you establish meaning in their rivalry. By having Squall become Ultimecia's ultimate enemy, there is symbolism. Because without that link, it's just two strangers trying to kill each other for purely practical reasons.

>>716200428
>Tetsuya Takahashi, Soraya, Shinta Kameoka, Kyoji Koizumi
I know the last one was just mentioned but also more on who they are and what they do (and how they relate to Nomura)?

>>716202549
>>716202446
See >>716198694. It is from the demo.

>>716202732
>XV sold well because it was dumbed down
Poor Nomura. 10 million suckers just like OP in >>716201096

>>716202761
>I think that's why people cling to the the Rinoa=Ultimecia theory so much. Ultimecia has little substance and she has no strong ties to any member of the core cast.
The main reason is because Ultimecia repeats Rinoa words throughout the game.

Prologue written by Nojima

>The sound of the roaring sea drifts in from somewhere far off in the distance.
>A gentle ocean breeze sweeps across a meadow erupting with light pink blossoms.
>The ocean is out of sight. The land is blanketed in vivid green. Amidst it all, something blue can be seen, like a piece cut out of the sky—a young girl, draped in sky blue clothing.
>A beautiful young girl. Her lustrous hair sways in the breeze, shimmering like silk. The light reflects off a silver chain hanging around her pale neck. A silver ring, shaped like a lion, dangled from the chain and swayed near her chest.
>The girl waited.
>—For whom?
>She posed the question to herself. She feels as though she has waited here for an eternity. Or possibly for just a moment. Time no longer holds any meaning. What matters is that she is waiting for someone, her memories...
>What if there was never anyone to wait for in the first place?—A doubt creeps into her heart. Suddenly, the damp wind grows stronger. The gentle sunlight is devoured by dark clouds, and a chill creeps up on her. There is a flash of lightning, carving intricate patterns into the belly of the storm. Just after comes the rumble of thunder, like the roar of a hungry beast. The wind is screaming too, as if it were rejecting her.
>Her black hair in full disarray, the girl presses her palm, gripped by anxiety. Her fingertips brush a hard, familiar shape—the Lion’s Ring. It becomes her anchor.
>He is on his way. Definitely. To ensure he would find her, she vowed in her heart to wait forever. He exists. And he is journeying toward her. Because this is the promised land—the place they agreed to meet again...
>A gust whirls petals into the air, dyeing her vision pale pink. Within the beautiful storm, the girl unfurls her tightly clenched fist.
>Nestled in her palm is a pure white feather. Carrying her longing, it soars high into the wind.
>To the edge of the sky. To the rift between time. To the lost, wounded one she awaits—

The only real issue with Rinoa being Ultimecia is that it adds further uncertainty. Either Rinoa is fated to become Ultimecia and thus fated to fall to Squall, or Squall defeating her changed the future somehow, but now the question is why. If true love prevails, why did it fail to prevent Rinoa from becoming Ultimecia? And if the reason Rinoa became Ultimecia is because she never met Squall, then that implies that Ultimecia meddling in time travel created a butterfly effect that just happened to result in Rinoa meeting Squall which ultimately proved to be her downfall. Which ultimately means that Ultimecia lost purely due to coincidence and bad luck.

>>716202329
crippling shyness

>>716200428
>political conflict anti-KH with guns Final Fantasy
Why did people think this was good? Even Nomura? FF doesn't need this

>>716203171
That text right there tells us several things:

Rinoa is lost in a place where time has no meaning.
Rinoa might have been there for a moment or even eternity
Rinoa can't remember her own past or what she is waiting for
Rinoa only knows she is waiting for someone and that is their meeting spot

In the game she even as a foreboding nightmare about it.

>>716203192
Edea tells Squall he has a role to play that will bring great pain to him, or something. Can't remember the exact wording.

>>716203192
you're looking at one loop instead of interconnected loops. squall sacrificing himself to defeat ultimicia doesnt break the cycle which gets passed onto next iteration. future-dying-ultimicia-rinoa? yoinking squall from death because they were in love does.

>>716203171
Greatest opening in a FF game.

>>716202361
>She could have been Squalls mother, lover, and daughter if she wanted to.


Square hire this man for the ff8remake

>Nomura
>Want to create a weapon for Cloud that stands out, even if it's not very practical. Gives him the Buster Sword, a large slab of iron that's somehow even less graceful-looking than the Dragon Slayer that inspired it.
>Want to create a similarly iconic weapon for Squall. Give him the Gunblade, a retarded weapon that's completely impractical in every way, yet still ended up being just as iconic as the Buster Sword.
>Time to make a weapon for Squall. Water sword.

Why is the water sword so much less iconic than the giant slab of metal and the retarded revolver sword?

>>716203480
>>716203192
See the text: >>716203171. It tells that the time lost Rinoa sent a white feather through the time rift that managed to reach Squall, saving him from the time compression.
We also never get to see this version of Rinoa in the actual game. Because in the prologue cutscene she is shown with a single ring on her necklace, and the Rinoa we get to control eventually by that point is already carrying two rings on her necklace.

>Nomura
>Want to create a weapon for Cloud that stands out, even if it's not very practical. Gives him the Buster Sword, a large slab of iron that's somehow even less graceful-looking than the Dragon Slayer that inspired it.
>Want to create a similarly iconic weapon for Squall. Give him the Gunblade, a retarded weapon that's completely impractical in every way, yet still ended up being just as iconic as the Buster Sword.
>Time to make a weapon for Tidus. Water sword.

Why is the water sword so much less iconic than the giant slab of metal and the retarded revolver sword?

>>716203615
They even focus during the end cutscene on Rinoa neck, to show that the one that gets to be with him in the credits had two rings.

>>716203678
And in the prologue, the version of Rinoa we see being lost in the green field is shown wearing a single ring. They also focus on her neck to show this.

The hyper-focus on the neck and necklace always felt weirdly important to me.

its the classic back to the future route branch
__modified-present-rinoa
__/__past-future-rinoa-ultimicia

both at once because compression

>>716203678
>>716203742
I don't really think that ring necessarily means she's Ultimecia. Ultimecia doesn't have a ring necklace.

>>716201032
>Stellafag
Who?

>>716203673
>Why is the water sword so much less iconic than the giant slab of metal and the retarded revolver sword?

It kind of is symbolic of everything that makes that game beautiful and early 2000s tropical ass videogame beaches. But people will always remember the setting and characters first. And Blitzball making it the most iconic weapon instead. Or Yuna's staff even. Making it water made it more like part of the setting I guess. It was a tough act to follow up on the gun blade and buster sword anyways

>>716203742
And in the prologue, this version of Rinoa is clearly stuck in the Time Compression world. We see she in this room. This room is from the Time Compression world.

>>716203494
10 has a great intro too

>>716203910
Wait a minute those things are in the shape of the sephiroth

>>716203821
But what about the black feathers during the prologue tied to the "one ring" Rinoa? Why the constant close up on the neck/necklace? Why the different number of rings in the cutscenes?

>>716203910
>>716203742
>>716203678
Ff8 is too fucking kino

>>716203992
Yeah. But again, rings don't really symbolize Ultimecia in any way.

In the Ultimania book, aside from the prologue shit written by Nojima you also have several other texts written in Rinoa PoV, and in some of them she talks about how she wants to be braver and stronger, like Squall, and says she will also be a lion like him.

The "Maybe I Am a Lion" isn't about Squall, but rather Rinoa/Ultimecia theme music.

>>716204084
merely alternate rinoas, which can only really exist because ultimicia

>>716204084
No, but it tells us there is something significant about the necklace and the number of rings due to all the close up during the several cutscenes. It also tells us there are two Rinoas running around interfering in things. One of them is also lost in the Time Compression world with no memory of the past.

>>716204140
Why are they so wishy washy over whole thing. Just say it stright.
Kinda wish they went with Elone as main female party member. Rather then this

>>716204236
They're not really that wishy-washy about it. The fact is Nojima didn't really consider this. Ultimecia has the power to read the minds of those she possesses, as well as read the minds of those she draws from. The reason she's able to summon Griever is because she "drew" it from him. She can even draw spells from herself.

The reason for these parallels is because she stole these thoughts, feelings and memories from Rinoa and Squall. Unfortunately, Nojima didn't put nearly as much thought into this stuff as you guys did.

Great thread

>>716204229
Unfortunately, there's not much to suggest that the Rinoa that's "lost in the time compression" is Ultimecia.

>>716204430
The ending, though. Remember, the fucky ending when Squall touch the white feather that came out of nowhere. He sees Rinoa with her back turned to him and when calls her out she turns to smile at him but he can't seem to see her face.

Then we get that fucky sequence where shit keeps repeating but we never get to properly see Rinoa face. We even see cuts of scenes that never ever happened in the game. Rinoa in places she never was through our playthrough. It all ends with the sound of Squall's sword hitting something. The same sound his sword does when you use his Limit Break. And then we see him crying and the white feather hitting a black ground.

>>716204379
>Ultimecia has the power to read the minds of those she possesses, as well as read the minds of those she draws from.
Why she made Seifer torture Squall for information, then?

Not to mention that we have a version of Rinoa that is stuck in the Time Compression world without any memory of her past other that she is meant to wait for someone in that spot.

Japanese guy made a video about this theory, regarding the rings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwxN8TNRhMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0olCzDVnME

Either way, it is a cool theory.
If i ever did a story or something, i'd steal it for myself.

>>716182914
SHE WAS 16 THEN YOU SICK FUCK

>>716182914
Guys...?

it was fun schizoposting with you.
unless someone makes another thread.

>>716183934
>when the fan theories are better than the shit you came up with, so you make them canon in the future spin-offs
Anyone thinking Kitase and Nojima were smart enough to make a subtle plot point like that in FF8 is clearly deluded.

>>716189209
>A blonde man simply won't fucking die
This is such a weird japanese trope.

>>716204883
Damn, the Jap went full schizo with this one. Liking the content.

>>716205161
What is weird about it?

>>716205190
KEK.

>>716204958
It's funny, because Rinoa is Squall's half-sister, because it's clear Laguna creampied Julia and dashed.

>>716205190
Spin off idea. A game with multiple creepy Rinoas running around.