Thread 716183284

I fucking love Kingdom Hearts

soriku

>>716183284 (OP)
zamn

I've been meaning to give the new PC releases of 1 and 2 a try, but from what I hear they come with PC versions of some of the major handheld games. Still waiting to hear which of the non-core games are worth playing on PC.

I love KH1 Kairi
https://files.catbox.moe/0081fc.mp4

>>716183610
all of them are worth playing

Well why don't you marry it then???

>>716183610
KH1 - Worth playing, consider mods to get the original textures instead of Final Mix.
Re:Chain of Memories - Worth playing, but some people strongly prefer the GBA version because the card combat worked much better in 2D. The lore is unfortunately important.
KH2 - Worth playing, the rando is interesting but a bit rough to use, looks great.
KH 358/2 Days - The PC version is just cutscenes. It's worth playing on 3DS as the story is the best of the side games, but it controls like ass, runs like ass, and plays like ass. Great game.
Birth By Sleep - This game sucks, fucked up the lore with Xehanort bullshit, and is using C-lister worlds as filler. Important only if you give a deep deep shit about understanding the story, and even then it won't help. Also you have to play all three routes for it to make sense.
Re:Coded - People swear this is the best of the command deck games but that's like saying it's the toenail infection that tastes the best. Skippable, and the PC version is just cutscenes.

Dream Drop Distance - This game sucks, fucked up the lore with time travel AND Xehanort bullshit, and is using C-lister worlds as filler. Important only if you give a deep deep shit about understanding the story, and even then it won't help. For better or worse the two routes switch back and forth, but you can get juked during a boss fight and forced to restart if your timer runs out. At least the TWEWY characters show up.

X Back Cover - Movie important for lore. Doesn't explain shit.

0.2 Birth by Sleep - A two hour tech demo to explain why Mickey doesn't have a shirt in KH1 even though he had one in KH2.

KH3 - Use a mod to weave the Re:Mind abilities into the base game and it's not as abysmal as it used to be. Still bad. Still not worth the wait. Still gonna play KH4 on release because I hate myself.

>>716183610
All of them are mainline games. All of them.

Play GBA Chain of Memories as overall it has better balanced gameplay and mechanics. The PS2 version (Re: Chain of Memories) messed with a lot of the combat and made many sleights worse simply due to the arena size, made EXP more annoying to grab, and made it more annoying to get new cards due to how they seemed to have nerfed drop rates from the map objects you break despite them being twice as big.
Don't watch the Days movie, play Days itself on the DS or just emulate it. The touch screen doesn't matter at all. It's not a great game at all and Xion is an awful addition to the series but it's important going forward for Roxas and Xion.
BBS is the most important out of the "side games" as it sets up basically everything for the Xehanort saga and explains a bunch of things. You can either play BBS Final Mix (Translation patch) on an actual PSP or the ported version, they're the same thing.
Re:Coded is like the only one that is mostly irrelevant to the overall story currently but it still sets up pretty important stuff that might be called back on in the future.
DDD is best on the ports because it's a pseudo-Final Mix version and fixes up combat a bit. This is equally as important as BBS as it sets up many concepts for KH3.
MoM's ending sets up KH4.

KHUX (Mobile game) is mandatory going forward for KH4 and important in KH3's ending and DLC. It explains the second Keyblade War that is talked about constantly in the series, introduces the Master of Masters (The new antagonist), the Foretellers (Also new antagonists), Luxu (Important character), Chirithies, explains things about Dream Eaters, explains Scala ad Caelum and Daybreak Town, explains the Unions and the Union leaders, and also has tons of backstory for several characters from the Xehanort saga.
Dark Road (Part of KHUX) explains Young Xehanort and Eraqus' lives, how worlds are formed, training in Scala, and how they survived a school shooting.

>>716183610
>>716185449
Couldn't fit everything.

0.2 is a tech demo for KH3 and just explains some minor things with Mickey and Aqua.
The KHUX movie is borderline pointless as everything in the movie was already added into KHUX itself and it only covered the Foreteller side right before the Keyblade War started and nothing else. Every single important thing is covered in the mobile game, not the movie. The movie is essentially 30 minutes of pointlessness.

me2

>>716183284 (OP)
It should've ended at 2

KH4
>Replaced the villain from KH1-3 with comic relief Marvel quipping mobile gacha character who appeared in 2 cutscenes in the actual games for 6 minutes and 36 seconds
>Organization XIII is replaced with mobile gacha characters who have cardboard one dimensional personalities and appeared in 1 cutscene for 2 minutes and 55 seconds in the actual games
>In order to understand backstory you need to play mobile gacha (WHICH IS OFFLINE NOW)
>Another mobile gacha that was supposed to contain crucial backstory got cancelled
>QTEs
>Strong woman representation
>Unreal Engine 5
>Nomura is retiring and giving away the franchise to literally who
IT'S OVER

>>716183610
Days

>>716183284 (OP)
this but only the first one
2 has some cool boss fights I guess

I did love it, like 20 years ago, but KH3 was dogshit and pretty much killed my excitement for the series.

>>716183610
They're all "core" games in that they all matter to the story. 1, Re:CoM, and 2 are enough to give you a fairly self-contained storyline, and then if you want more you can play the rest. Just note that some of the games in that collection are just cutscene movies because they couldn't be bothered porting them properly

>>716183284 (OP)
It's comfy I really enjoyed playing it as a kid even now a days I still have fun playing it.

>>716183284 (OP)
I fucking love children too.

>>716183284 (OP)
>>716184237
For me, its Kairi's feet

>>716188008
>Nomura is retiring and giving away the franchise to literally who
Sauce????

>>716188869
Nomura 2024:
>I only have a few years left until I retire, I have to decide whether to retire first or finish the series first. However, I’m making Kingdom Hearts IV now with the intention of it being a story that I will complete.

>>716185114
mega based

>>716184237
Her design peaked in 1

>>716185114
>Important only if you give a deep deep shit about understanding the story, and even then it won't help
The story really isn't hard to follow in the slightest if you play all the games. If you're still struggling you're just dumb.

>>716191201
Her design is just whatever Utadu Hikaru looks like at the time

>>716191337
That just means her design peaked in 1.

>>716183284 (OP)
When did KH lost you?
For me, it's when they release a hell lot of games on other platforms.
Phone game? nds game? 3DS game? psp game?
It gets really confusing from this point on.

>>716191382
Bbs. Such a disappointment I never played any of the other games till kh3 which killed me even more

>>716191382
DDD. It was the first game since 2 that actually advanced the plot and included stuff from the spin offs and I had been excited for it but it just turned out to be stupid as fuck.

>>716191726
Is the recusant's sigil the single stupidest thing in all of KH? It has to be, right?

BBS is my favorite.

>>716191382
DDD
When Yen Sid did the entire "Somehow Xehanort returned" and I had the Nintendogs/Pokemon Amie mode shoved into my face I was like "nope Im out".

>>716191726
>>716191934
You’re brown!
You’re brown!!
You’re brown!!!
You’re brown!!!!

>>716191413
>girls love Disney
shocking

>>716192039
Yes.

>>716191382
BBS, because it set up the retcon/"nomura forgot" era of kingdom hearts that we're still stuck on

>>716191934
To be fair that was revealed at the end of Recoded already before DDD came out. And even years before that the KH2 Ultimania had Nomura just outright say "when a nobody and heartless both die the original reforms lol"

>>716183284 (OP)
you only come to like this game if youre a pussy faggot

>>716192126
Speaking from experience?

>>716191382
At this point I've been poisoned through playing the games for the gameplay and meme exposure that I went from thinking the story is incomprehensible and doesn't matter to understanding everything. I played Dark Road. It's kind of a curse because now I care about where the story is going and the fact that Missing Link was cancelled genuinely upsets me. Riku could show up in Scala Ad Caelum through Merlin's time travel and duel a Young Xehanort which indirectly leads to Xehanort starting to use darkness more after seeing another Keyblade wielder use it just fine and I would go "Yeah this makes sense."

>>716192385
interestingly the final "i'm me" is more self-reflecting than taunting in japanese

>>716183610
Play 1, 2, DDD, 0.2, and 3. None of the rest are fun, so just skip them and read a plot summary. Anons here shit on everything after 2 for having a shit story, but the truth is none of them after the first game have a good story, so just play the ones I mentioned for fun gameplay. DDD is slept on but dashclimbing is the most fun I had in the series.

>>716192624
ddd and 0.2 are dogshit you homosexual

>>716192624
>3
>fun gameplay

>>716192728
I hope you aren't saying that as a fan of ReCom/BBS. A fan of those games has an opinion worth less than dirt.

>>716192624
The only games with fun gameplay are 1, 2, Re:coded and GBA CoM

DDD is literally just BBS2 and KH3 is BBS3

>>716192091
It's still funny to me seeing people say BBS had great character writing or some shit

>>716183284 (OP)
Where the fuck is KH4?

>>716192836
when do i unlock pokemon in BBS

>>716183284 (OP)
KH2FM is the only good game in the series.
KH1 is OK.
The rest of the series is shit.

>>716188008
>>Strong woman representation

>>716184237
I loved manga Kairi. The further she is from Nomura writing her the better.

Drive Forms > Keyblade forms.

>>716193009
Last game had Kairi defeating the villain of the series so expect even more feminism propaganda in 4

>>716188134
I have a crazy amount of nostalgia for KH1, but the rest of the series just kind of gives me a headache

>>716193060
That wasn't a real Xehanort and she still needed Sora's assistance.

>>716192876
The "pokemon" in DDD are literally just stat sticks. All they do is determine which abilities you have equipped at a given time. The way you acquire Dream Eaters is also functionally identical to command melding or synthesizing items. Hell, you can buy end-game materials from the moogle shop.

DDD quite literally misses the point of mob collector games, because the act of acquiring Dream Eaters is dogshit boring. You don't purify any of the Nightmares you see during encounters, you never capture them etc. At least other mob collector games like SMT have demon negotiations to keep it interesting.

>>716193060
Okay so you're retarded gotcha. No wonder you spam the same shit in every thread.

>>716193097
>That wasn't a real Xehanort
Why the fuck does it matter?
>she still needed Sora's assistance
Sora is literally dead if you didn't know. She just used magic to defeat the villain of the series for 20 years. If it's not feminism propaganda I don't know what is

>>716192876
Never which is why BBS is better than DDD
The Dream Eaters are so shit it actively gets in the way of enjoying the game
I don't care if DDD has better worlds, it's wasted on such a dogshit game and I'm still mad about it

Why haven't the "Tokyo" team of Square Enix ever made an actual action game after KH2? KH2 was genuinely a decent action game, but it seems like no one who worked on that game ever considered making a non-KH action game.

>>716183284 (OP)
And I fucking love Kairi

The only enjoyable part of KH3 was Re:Mind's data battles and Yozora.
God fucking damn it I hate keyblade forms and attractions so much.

>>716193368
>Never which is why BBS is better than DDD
BBS is marginally better than DDD, but both games have the same shitty combat and enemy design. The Dream Eaters are only 10% of the actual problem with DDD's gameplay.

>>716193396
I just wish they didn't pretend she could fight and have her still be useless. She would unironically look better if she just couldn't fight.

>>716193607
Hey nah, come on. Her getting a keyblade to fighting alongside Riku and Sora in 2 for future games was fucking fun which made 3 even worse.

>>716193424
>God fucking damn it I hate keyblade forms and attractions so much.
Just enable Critical Converter ;^)

It gets rid of attractions and gets rid of the formchange RNG

I really should finish 3. But "press triangle to become annoying sparkle vomit" is not really fun gameplay to me

>>716192385
Fell down the same rabbit hole, friend. Playing and replaying the games, jumping headfirst into the "lore". It's grim, but I enjoy the games more because of it so I can't complain.

>>716183284 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyxEjQEm74

WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

God she’s so cute

>>716192104
Lol my brother will never get over that.

>>716183284 (OP)
same. patiently waiting for 4, here's hoping they can make a better base game than 3, shame the only good stuff for that game was the data org fights.

>>716185114
358/2 and re:coded can be emulated with a custom melonds, look into melonmix
Also
>skipping re:coded
Don't do this. Also 3D is absolutely the worst game in the series, both story and combat are awful

>Finally get Toy Story
>The boss was a giant Heartless, not Evil Emperor Zurg
God damn it, will never get over that.

>>716192728
the keyblade moveset is much improved with the DLC moves, if you're on PC modding them in so you unlock them as you progress is essential I find. otherwise yeah, it's got decent bones, but boss design is kind of stinky until you do the data fights.

>>716198674
>finally get toy story
>entire world is just one big room full of gimmick mech battles
easily my least favorite world on critical mode, you basically have to play with the mechs because they can one shot Sora.

>>716197178
Sounds like a skill issue. Old bastard has no drip.

*ahem*

WHEN YOU WALK AWAY

YOU WON'T HEAR ME SAY

PLEEEEEEAAAAASE

OH BAAAAAABY

DON'T GO

I started playing again and the story makes more sense to me than as a kid playing it. That said it feels rushed

>>716199683
kh1 will always be magical they went a weird route after that
it lost its magical appeal
its charme

>>716199683
It's pretty straight forward actually, you just need to read Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica and Hegel's Metaphysics.

>>716199683
the first one is fairly cohesive if I recall. it's everything after that becomes a mess.

>>716199809
The most you can say about the first one is that is a basic "good vs bad" story, but that's fine. I loved Ansem Seeker of Darkness.

>>716199460
lol

KH3 should never have existed in the state it got released

The theme alone is heresy

>>716199683
It totally makes sense it's just really dumb.

>>716183284 (OP)
I used to love Kingdom Hearts until the story and gameplay became a mess. Gameplay stopped being good thanks to the stupid handhelds limiting the game mechanics.

Story? Became shit as early as Chain of Memories Sora's Story. Riku had a decent story. Sora's Story is retarded shit about how he must forget everything he learned in in CoM so he can become the Retard that he is in the rest of the franchise I will eternally hate Nomura for doing this. And then you have the shitty time travel and alternate reality bullshit and Verum Rex which is Wink Wink Not Versus. It's all a shit show.

Bravo Nomura and Nojima you have RUINED these characters. What's that you say Axel, Riku, and Aqua are competent? Did you see Kingdom Hearts 3 they are LOSERS!!!! Good for nothing losers. Fuck what this story has become and fuck reviving dead characters. I truly wonder what Nomura is going to do when its his turn to die in real life. There is nothing more pathetic than a man who thinks death won't happen to him. Even Walt Disney had a rule about death in his movies that death is FINAL!!!

Enough said TL;DR Kingdom Hearts has become unforgivable garbage and the series deserves to fail and die. I find it amazing old series like Donkey Kong can get a decent new game but Kingdom Hearts can't do that. If the punishment for turning Kingdom Hearts into trash is decapitation Nomura, Nojima, etc would all be headless corpses right now.

>>716199932
True

>>716199841
instant loss
keyblade'd

>>716183284 (OP)
I hate the graphics of the series, Kingdom Hearts should have been like Guilty Gear Strive pure cellshaded anime graphics.

>>716200065
fuck no

>>716192385
>Know everything about Dark Road through osmosis so I've been too lazy to actually play it even though I don't know the nitty gritty of it.
Same with Missing Link, I hope they repurpose it as a proper retail game since they worked on it for years.

>>716183375
Honestly Riku should have been a girl, doesn't help he's named after a girl character Rikku from FF10. And if Riku was a girl Kairi would not need to exist. No one cares about that worthless bland bitch who got killed off twice and refuses to stay dead. Not even porn makers give a damn about Kairi. She is THAT shitty.

>>716200065
KH3 in particular is really fucking ugly, I fucking despise Unreal Engine.

>>716200109
I hear you loud and clear fuck YES! Glad you agree.

>>716200146
>doesn't help he's named after a girl character Rikku from FF10
No he fucking isn't you dumbass, Riku is Japanese for land like Sora means sky

>>716200165
It's amazing how a series can have such a consistent art style for so long before it gets changed drastically in UE.

>>716187423
Never should have gotten a sequel really, but ending at 2 would have been completely fine. I liked 2 a lot but everything else after/between was awful

>>716200165
Agreed, it simply looks bad and I hate the soulless eyes the characters have like Dead Fish Eyes. I don't care if the excuse is...

"We're now using CG movies as the worlds."

Still looks amazingly bad. And besides Disney movies really started to look awful once they embraced CG. I don't care what anyone says examples like Zootopia and Moana and Inside Gay Out are shit visually. I don't like how these movies look.

>>716183284 (OP)
>What if Goofy and Donald were uhm..fighters
cringe, kiddie and shit game

>>716200013
>and alternate reality bullshit

Its extremely suspicious that there are two CG cut scenes for the Yozora fight. One reality where Sora wins and another where Sora loses. No previous Kingdom Hearts game has done this and used expensive CG to animate such sequences. So yeah this alternate reality multiverse shit is annoying.

To be honest I forget a lot of the time that these two are supposed to be friends.

>>716191337
So if someone kills Utada Hikaru in real life Nomura would be forced to kill off Kairi permanently we need to hire an assassin then.

>>716200165
Loving the art style that was carried from KH1 all the way to DDD, KH3 always felt like the team wanting so bad to finally move on from the PS2 graphics but doing it in a pretty lazy way. I feel like if they didn't have to change engines partially through development we would have them trying to make more of a happy medium between what we had and what we got.

>>716200495
Kairi has never been a good friend to Riku. She has tunnel vision for Sora only. Hence the saying women and men cannot be friends. It's why Aqua is such a bullshit character, no woman is going to risk physical injury to save a man especially a dumb fuck like Terra.

>>716200495
Kairi is the singular worst written character in the franchise.

>>716200495
Didn't Nomura say that was on purpose and that the two of them have gotten distant over the course of the games? I thought it was some Q&A or interview he alluded to it and talked about how people grow more distant the older they get or some shit to explain why they barely communicate anymore.

>>716200657
they're barely ever in scenes together to interact to begin with. Kairi barely ever directly talks to Sora either, she just talks a lot about him while he isn't around

>>716185114
>and is using C-lister worlds

If you think the Disney Worlds of Birth by Sleep are this shoddy don't want to imagine what you think about what we have to work with now. The only iconic film that has not been used is The Incredibles. And really no one wants Elio as a world. No one wants Luca as a world. No one wants Raya and the Last Tumblr Dyke. No one wants BORING Moana. No one wants Frozen 2. No one wants Zootopia Liberal Preachy SHIT.

God Modern Disney is so shitty. They really truly are and their disgusting morals like in Encanto you have to forgive abusive family members. Fuck you Disney.

>>716200793
>No one wants Frozen 2
Frozen 1 might have been the worst KH world ever

>>716200793
They're going to pull Treasure Planet or Atlantis one day and I'm going to be so mad because it won't be the good KH games that they put it in.

>>716200793
>their disgusting morals like in Encanto you have to forgive abusive family members. Fuck you Disney.

This is the reason I hated the Pixar movie Coco. Forgiving abusive members of your family is shit. And its not what happens in real life abusive family members are eternally resented and sometimes even killed. None of this California bullshit about excusing them. I hope all these shitty people making modern movies are forced to realize they will be hated until they die.

>>716200729
Doesn't really help that most of the time everyone important is in the same place, you know there's going to be an exposition dump, so we can't have anyone have a regular discussion on the side.

>>716191382
Kingdom Hearts lost me fairly early on, Chain of Memories on the GBA. Stuck around for KH2 and the console remake of CoM but once I saw that the handheld games were not stopping I lost interest in the series. I simply don't like the series being scattered to different handhelds and mobile shit. That alone made me realize that I no longer cared about Kingdom Hearts and 3 was my final game.

By now there's so many gaps in the story of the timeline due to the handheld/mobile games that I just don't give a fuck anymore. And it doesn't help the side games focus on characters I don't give a flying fuck about. I don't care about Roxas GO TO HELL! I don't care about the BBS Trio, I don't care about the Dandelions, I don't care about Ephemer, I don't care about Young Xehanort AFTER he was killed off. It's all bad.

Series simply lost me.

>>716200729
So Sora is Poochie and he has access to time travel powers as well...

>>716201261
KH lost you at CoM but you hung around until 3 came out 15 years later? Okay... doesn't sound like they lost you

>>716201442
Well KH3 is a console game. But when going through that so many details in that game were fueled by the handheld mobile games that I didn't know much about so I lost interest. Series is not for me anymore. Now I hope it fails as brutally as Assassins' Creed is failing now. Now I want to see the series crash and burn. I want to see Disney take the series away from Nomura and destroy the brand like how Disney raped and killed Star Wars.

I hate Kingdom Hearts now when I used to like it. Now I want to see it intentionally RUINED by Jews.

>>716192874
if Square Enix is smart they will release Kingdom Hearts 4 Part 1 after Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 3. And yes you read correctly Kingdom Hearts 4 Part 1 we need to divide and nickel and dime the fans for their own good. Gamers MUST be treated like this for their own good.

>>716201589
You said it lost you at the second game, but you want it to crash and burn because you played another entry in the series 15 years later and hated it wasn't for you because it expected you to have played other games in the series? This is beyond autism.

>>716193607
This. Everyone is so hung up on wanting Empowered Shitty Women That Look Like Men. This is why I respect Devil May Cry 5. What happened in that game? The women thought they could fight a Demon Lord and they got humiliated got stripped naked and conquered on battle by the baddie.

And the only woman who was not stripped naked and dominated was Kyrie because she's a domestic woman who has no powers so she runs away to stay away from evil demons. That's what Kairi should be. Kyrie maintained her dignity she's not Girl Boss. She's no Feminism. She's not Wonder Woman. She knows she's weak she knows she can't fight monsters so she hides in safe areas. That's what Kairi should be.

You think he ever remembers that time when a spiky-haired kid, talking duck and dog came to his jungle and they were never seen or heard from again?

>>716200065
Sora could be a good guest in Guilty Gear.

>>716200495
KH1 really was the only game where the three of them felt like a legitimate trio of friends and yet that dynamic just fucking vanished for the rest of the franchise.

Riku and Kairi don’t even speak a single fucking word to each other in KH3.

>>716183284 (OP)
Its 4am 4chan is usually shit but right now you fuckers had me in a Hellraiser and FF8 thread getting lost in deep lore and now I find people who actually love KH1

What the fuck it's a miracle

Days was unironically a good game and i am tired of pretending it is not.

>>716185114
>is using C-lister worlds as fille

Snow White is literally the movie that made Disney what it is. And it has the other 2 classic Disney Worlds. Lilo and Stitch is so popular they still make bank off Stitch merch to this day. And it's a great movie FUCK DISNEY TOON TOWN THOUGH AND ALL ITS SHITTY MINIGAMES.

>>716202257
It's complete shit.

>>716183284 (OP)
>KH4 worlds are realistically just gonna be nothing but nu-Disney/Pixar shit, MCU slop and nu-Star Wars, any hope for proper 2D worlds that haven’t gotten a slot yet like Treasure Planet or Atlantis are probably dead in the water at this point.

Should I even be excited for KH4 considering the worlds sucked ass in 3?

>>716202161
I really think they're leading up to them becoming a trio with this next arc the only problem is I'll be 70 by the time it comes out. I love every KH game but I hope it ends at KHV with nothing between that and IV. Just because of dev times.

Rank the Xehanorts but don't include the fucking "barely xehanorts" like Xigbar/Luxu or Larxene.

>>716191382
KH2 already lost me a bit but I kept waiting for KH3 while the PS2 was still around. Later I heard there actually were more games but they were on handhelds I didn't own. I saw people say the games were shit and that they just doubled down on the story from 2 so I lost interest. I've since played most of them and I just enjoy the gameplay for what it is, the story is whatever. Time travel? Yeah sure why not.

>>716199789
Unironically just skimming Carl Jung shit made me understand KH. The heart is just your subconscious and Kingdom Hearts is just the collective unconsciousness.

That and the movie Dark City. KH2 and Union cross take so much from that its unreal. It's basically a remake of Dark City.

>>716183284 (OP)
I fucking love you anon

>>716202370
Best case scenario, now that they're starting a new arc it means they can fix a lot of the problems that had been building up in the series.
Likely scenario, they're just going to add even more problems on top of what was already there.

>>716192385
What really makes me so angry I could unironically fall to darkness within darkness is that faggot youtubers are in a super secret missing leak datamine discord and claim to know what's in the box and MoMs name but just taunt people with it like faggots

I am a giant lore fag. Getting into Xenogears, FF8, chrono cross and more helped with the KH4 wait and lore cravings.

>>716184237
Fucking Sexy, would accept Kaizuri and Footjobs

>>716202327
The Disney worlds are at their best when their setting and implied story provide a backdrop of what is normal, and the player gets to see the disruption of the heartless/organization/etc. contrasted against that structure, similar to an adaptation of a fairy tale or Shakespeare play. Iteration provides structure, and you also get to see how various characters serve as foils to each other. KH1 starts with Alice In Wonderland for a reason. It goes to Tarzan when Sora is trying to navigate what found family means, and to Hercules when he's trying to unpack the nature of heroism and strength.

Snow White, as a world, offered none of that contrast. It was just a setting whose characters were barely used. Lilo and Stitch featured neither character and was entirely on a spaceship. At no point in BBS was there anything approaching a dovetail of themes. DDD can at least pretend to have a little something going on with the TWEWY cast navigating a weird game separating them into different dimensions and with Pinocchio's whole deal with willful impetuousness. But overall these worlds, regardless of their source films' pedigree, are scrap and were rightly left on the cutting room floor for multiple games.

>>716199683
The first one is honestly well written. It introduces a lot of unique ideas but is consistent and explains it well, managing to mix Disney with KH original concepts in a way that feels natural. Even the story within the worlds are a good remix of the movies rather than a highlights reel.

>>716202501
Ansem especially when he was voiced by Billy Zane will always be my favourite. Xemnas was great. Xehanort needed another game with the BBS trio I think because he never really felt like as big as he should be but his backstory in Dark Road is really interesting. Or does that Xehanort count as another one? He wouldn't be my favourite because he was lame in DDD and 3 but Dark Road balanced it out a lot

>>716202845
Wonderland was pretty shit in KH1

>>716202797
Cinema

>>716202254
link to the hellraiser thread?

>>716202370
There is still live action kino if you did deep enough. Return to Oz, Black Hole and Mary Poppins are my most wanted worlds in KH at this point. And the OG trilogy is still good nothing can ruin those movies for me not even Lucas himself.

I'd kill for Atlantis and Treasure Planet though. I'm praying Tron Ares is good and gets in KH too because I love Tron.

>>716202903
I liked it as a more exploration based level with finding the evidence. I also thought it was pretty clever to reuse the main room but have different areas take place on different walls.

>>716203032
>exploration based leve
the whole world was like 4 rooms

>>716203004
>>716196935

>>716202845
The Heartless in the first game were pretty great, especially the true blood which made them very threatening. Outside of demontides, Heartless got worse in terms of their fear factor after the first game. At least two had an "oh shit" moment realizing they are gathering in Hollow Bastion in a massive horde.

>>716203076
Were you literally five?

>>716203057
Yeah but like I said I thought the way they reused the main room was clever. Technically it's the same room but still offered different level design.

>>716202845
KH 1, CoM and 2 are all great stories, the rest suck peepee

>>716202778
>DDD can at least pretend to have a little something going on with the TWEWY cast navigating a weird game separating them into different dimensions and with Pinocchio's whole deal with willful impetuousness. But overall these worlds, regardless of their source films' pedigree, are scrap and were rightly left on the cutting room floor for multiple games.


I disagree so much but it's been forever since I played these games. Hunchback is one of my favourite Disney movies and DDDs version was limited in ways but I loved how it tied into the themed of Sora imprisoning people and giving them sanctuary unknowingly in his heart. Vanitas even gets a cameo there. And The Grid tying back into Tron in KH2 did more to honour the fucking main character of his movie than Legacy did. And all the worlds had this cool music/night/celebration theme connecting them all. Fantasia was actually amazing and one of my favourites in the series. (But I just wish it had NPCs)

>>716203120
Yes
But even beyond that, in universe of Kingdom Hearts 1 they had a real tangible threat of wiping out entire worlds and what they actually did to "whole" beings would've been scary to those living in the Kingdom Hearts worlds. I know it was an entire game of slaughtering them, but it felt like Heartless never returned to their potential as the big bad, especially next to nobodies, unversed and Xehanort's wild ride. The only thing that is somehow more laughable than modern heartless are dream eaters.

>>716202898
CUM GUARDIAN

>>716203293
>it felt like Heartless never returned to their potential as the big bad, especially next to nobodies, unversed and Xehanort's wild ride

That's why the Kingdom Hearts 4 trailer is so good. Just one Dark Side was treated like a kaiju in a kaiju movie. And heartless look so fucked up now. I don't know if it will be as good as seeing shit like the heartless actually destroying worlds and making the end of the world but still.

Still the best chain of memory replies

I liked KH3.

>>716191337
KH3 doesn’t look that much different from KH1, it’s just older Kairi but with short hair again and a different get up outfit

>>716184237

Honestly, DDD would have been a great game if it was a Kairi solo game where she travels the sleeping worlds as way to catch up to Riku and Sora. Don’t get me wrong though, I appreciate the role DDD played in the series in terms of character development and setting the stage for KH3, I just think the overall DDD aesthetic suits Kairi so well that it feels like a missed opportunity. She would be good to play as if SE didn't write her off as always needing to be rescued. I'd gladly play a solo game as her. But it’s way too late for that unfortunately.

A Kairi and Namniè game set in the sleeping worlds would be quite interesting.

>>716203293
yeesh

>>716203921
>I appreciate the role DDD played in the series in terms of character development and setting the stage for KH3
Why it was shit, Sora does the same thing he always does as Riku becoming a master just doubles down on how embarrassing his utter incompetence in 3 is

>>716191226
He's not saying its impossible to understand, hes saying that BBS only serves to add needless lore to the world that complicates things without explaining anything important to the story that came before it. Did we need to know everyone was magically destined to hold keyblades? Did we need to know how ansem got his sexy body? Did we need to know how all the org members already had weird magic weapons as humans?

>>716203605
Same, but it's still a mess.

>>716183284 (OP)
Same

>>716191382
DDD. BBS was rough but it still had some cool shit. Loved the ds games no matter how stupid they were. But DDD had nothing. Stupid lore additions, garbage character designs, shitty combat, its a worthless game.

>>716200793
You are going to get a Lightyear world where sora and buzz watch the two black lesbians get married and have their first domestic violence boxing match and you are going to love every single second CHUD

>>716204190
>Did we need to know how ansem got his sexy body?
I mean yeah? Xehanort being some weird amnesiac that showed up out of nowhere was already established in KH2.

>>716204271
I get genuinely confused when people say DDD Sora is their favorite version of his design, I hate it so much.

>>716204361
Its the worst bits of every design. I like KH1 sora as much as the next guy, but bringing back his proportions while ditching the color scheme was awful. Not even mentioning making the middle aged va try and sound 12 again.

>>716203652
What a cunt.

>>716203605
Same, anon. It had its problems-pacing was off, too many gummi ship distractions, and Kairi somehow learning to swing a Keyblade offscreen-but goddamn if some of those moments didn’t hit hard. The Toy Box arc alone was better than most full worlds in earlier games. That whole “heart being connected” speech with Sora and Roxas still gives me chills. Yeah, KH3 was messy as hell, but it wore its heart (lol) on its sleeve and delivered on enough payoffs to make it worthwhile.

>>716200657
No you're confusing the Winnie Pooh and Sora interview with Kairi and Riku for some reason

>>716202501
Master Nort was a great villain. I didn't expect him to just murder the hero's girlfriend like that. He does it all with a smile, too. He's truly off the deep end.

I wish Leonard Nimoy could've been with us...

>>716207205
Leonard Nimoy -> Rutger Hauer was a step down, even if I liked Hauer.

>>716203921
What a lot of KH fans don't understand, especially the Twitter side of KH, is that Kingdom Hearts is a typical old-school shonen where the power of friendship is the main point of the series, and in these shonen stories the female characters literally do nothing beside be the ones who get captured and wait to be saved by the boys. This is the reason why characters like Sakura from Naruto are the way they are. This is why people call Kairi and Sakura bad characters because they don't understand that the females in shonen are meant to be weak jobbers, healers, walking fan service, and love interests. There are times when the writers would subvert readers expectations by making them do something or get a strong power-up; in this case, for Kairi, it's the Re:Mind Xehanort boss fight where Sora and Kairi fight Xehanort together, and for Sakura's case, it's her getting super strength and punching Kaguya to stop her from escaping Naruto and Sasuke. If you look at both of those scenes, the female is the supporting character who helps the males.

>>716207571
Heroines are at their best when they don't get involved in battles at all and are just there for emotional support, like the girl from Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal

>>716207571
This wouldn't be a problem IF these series would stop putting these weak girls into the battlefield scenarios in the first place to get jobbed.
I don't mind weak females, but fucking christ don't make them also put themselves into intentional danger with no benefit.

>>716207761
Everyone except Sora was fucking useless in 3. Riku is the biggest offender, he keeps going back and forth between being competent and actually defeating named enemies to being completely fucking useless depending on if he's playable or not.