>thrown out for fraud

lmao imagine my shock

Imagine trying raise your fist against our overlords.
I think we'd be better off just accepting that video games aren't property and that things don't last forever.

>>716208875 (OP)
>>thrown out for fraud
Was it?

>I am not crazy! I know he got paid for his time! I knew it was 1216 hours of work. One after Mana Carta. As if anyone would volunteer that much time. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got those idiots at the European Citizens' Initiative to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is vague? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. The movie! Are you telling me that mold just happens to grow like that? No! He orchestrated it! Ross! He transported people in a rickshaw! And I platformed him! And I shouldn't have. I talked about him on my own stream! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since Civil Protection, always the same! Couldn't keep The Crew out of The Game Dungeon! But not our Ross! Couldn't be precious Ross! Owning his games! And he gets to be an e-celeb!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-

>>716209064
obviously not

>>716209064
Kinda, but we'll see where it actually end up going.

>>716208875 (OP)
>Russia lost
lmao imagine my shock

>shitjeets still trying to spin a false narrative against skg
The industry is really mad about it, huh.

>>716208875 (OP)
What fraud was committed?

>>716209064
"Thrown out" is bit unnecessarily antagonistic, especially when we don't know the verdict yet but yeah it got suspended for duration of investigation.

>>716209251
>it got suspended for duration of investigation.
Huh, source?

>>716209064
>>716209226
>>716209268
An anonymous source filed a transparency complaint that alleges Ross of Accursed Farms was doing a lot of labour under the table for the EU initiative, in apparent violation of EU regulations that mandates all contributors who contribute above 500 Euros must be identified. Notably, he is not directly involved in the EU initiative, as he is not a EU citizen.

The complaint calculates an estimated wage for Ross's work promoting the movement and initiative at a standard wage for an advertiser, and compares that to the 500EUR threshold as the basis for the complaint. It also fails to acknowledge that unpaid volunteer work does not count as a contribution for this.

>>716208875 (OP)
you're so fucking mad

>>716209616
>When discussing why SKG wasn't getting more attention before the big blowup, one of the biggest complaints levied at Ross was that he was a bad face for the movement (a position taken due to no one else doing anything) and didn't do shit to actually get influencers on board to signal boost it or bring it into the public attention at all
Kind of hilariously ironic that he's now apparently being accused of doing too much work pro bono. I think you'd have better luck trying to accuse Pirate Software of doing unpaid work under the table.

>>716209616
>Volunteering is illegal
>Because time is money
Fake news

>>716209819
>>716209923
He blatantly received money through backchannels like Crypto.
No one is fooled by this.

NOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO OWN THINGS

>>716208875 (OP)
He was right all this time, just like blizz devs were right about WoW Classic back then and we mocked them

So basically because the main organizer and advocate of it has a monetized youtube channel where he has been releasing videos about it?
lmao discord trannies and redditors playing checkers and evil corpos playing chess

>>716208875 (OP)
I don't understand this move. Chances for this to actually kill the initiative are close to zero, all it does is fuel eceleb clickbait drama to the benefit of skg.

>>716210121
The EU does not take kindly to non-diclosure of money/funding.
Monetizing those YT videos means he was making money from the initiative, aka wages, indirectly paid to him for his work.
This is illegal.

>>716209975
>blatent
is this one of those "its obvious, dude!" moments like when you niggers tried to name all the indie studios that would be hurt by SKG?

>>716208875 (OP)
>>716209064
>>716209251
>>716209268
This doesn't make sense. The complaints claimed something about money, but nobody was asking for money, it was signatures.

>>716210213
>blatent
>tent
GM SKGurjeet

>>716210121
They're just stalling with blatantly made up shit. Lying about your opponents to start an investigation is FREE time gained.

>>716210121
it's either a desperation attempt from some smuck bootlicker or it's an attempt from an actual company to try and scare Ross and the whole initative.
Remember, Ross is a very healthy indivitual who loves to live and is extermely catious around things that could kill him.

we won.

>>716210356
>indivitual
>smuck
>catious
Is SKG based in Hyderabad or something?

>no linked article stating the initiative is on hold
Kill yourselves immediately

>>716210418
wow I misspelled some words, this means I must be indian and actually against SKG.
get a fucking grip schizo

>>716210474
I fully believe you are an Indian marketer, but I do not believe you are against SKG.

>>716210227
EU basically doesn't want some corpo or rich family to throw money around to get people to sign one of these petitions, is what these guidelines are meant to protect against. The complaint alleges that Ross had some monetary compensation, or was doing too much work for free, even though uncompensated volunteering is fine under EU's guidelines here.
So, monetary compensations for acquiring signatures are a big no-no, but this complaint is filed on the wrong grounds, but EU likely still needs to do their due diligence to address the complaint in any case.

>>716209616
>The complaint calculates an estimated wage for Ross's work promoting the movement and initiative at a standard wage for an advertiser
kek, it reminds me of when Hollywood "lost" trillions because of The Pirate Bay

>conflict of interest criticism made of Ross that he's profiting from his activism
>not even that he'd profit from SKG passing, just the activism itself
>and by profit they mean a small bit of ad revenue from youtube videos most people don't think twice about
>meanwhile literally all his opponents are industry figures who are very explicitly opposing him due to the heavy financial interest they have in being able to sell consumers new games after the old ones no longer function

>>716209616
>as he is not a EU citizen.
he literally lives in poland, you baiting rat. i find all your other claims to be dubious after such a brash demonstration of ignorance.

>>716208875 (OP)
This was never going to win. Ubisoft is one of Europe's biggest sources of profit and their company has seats in every major pollitical party in the EU.

>>716210702
Does he have Polish citizenship?

>>716210496
>I fully believe you are an Indian marketer
get a grip

>>716210702
Hi Thor I realize you have an American education, but living in the EU doesn't make you a EU citizen.

>>716210702
living somewhere doesn't make you a citizen, you room temperature iq idiot
do you even know what citizenship is?

>>716210802
>>716210878
>>716210930

europe isn't the us, retards. you can't live in an european country for 7 years and not have citizenship just because you pick berries for a billion dollar corporation.

>>716210286
>jeet scared of being found out outs himself this easily

>asking for servers to be maintained forever
>No no no, why are they telling us to fuck off??

>>716210989
That's correct. In the EU you can live there for 7 years and not have citizenship because you... never applied for citizenship. Shocking!

>>716208875 (OP)

>>716211029
here's your (you), don't spend it all in one place big guy

>>716210989
you realize that you're allowed to immigrate somewhere and just live there as an immigrant without applying for citizenship, right? Ross doesn't have any political rights, he's just a legal immigrant.

>>716210989
Does Ross speak Polish at B1 level? That's a legal requirement to apply for citizenship.

>>716211029
Stop Killing Games is not saying that the servers have to function forever.

What they're advocating for is for the *game* functioning forever, with or without the servers.

This is peak entertainment brehs, the panicked flailing about grasping for straws. holy shit i'm going to cum.

>it will never reach 500k lmao
>it will never reach 1mil lmao
>okay it reached it but it's botted
>also this whole movement is gamergate/communism/antilgbtq/whatever
>also it will never reach 1.4mil to overcome the botted signatures
>ok it did but it will never get passed
>also ross volounteered his own free time so that actually means he worked on it and that's not allowed
you are here
>more corporate screeching here

>>716211170
he can barely pronounce "kurwa", what do you think? I find it baffling that he hasn't gotten at least a communicative level proficiency in it.
But honestly I see it a lot among english speaking natives, the entire world speaks english so they never bother to learn any other language

>>716210989
Most EU countries have a 10 years of residency + work requirement for non third countries citizens
Ross could've applied for a citizenship cause he married a Pole, but he'd still need to passs a B1 in Polish, good luck with that

>>716210989
Most EU countries have a 10 years of residency + work requirement for third countries citizens
Ross could've applied for a citizenship cause he married a Pole, but he'd still need to passs a B1 in Polish, good luck with that

>>716211375
I don't follow Ross so I wouldn't know, just mentioning the language competence requirement because that can be the one thing stopping many from becoming fully fledged citizens, even after living for a decade in another country. Of course, it's going to vary based on the country (and sometimes, even the home country).

So did we find out who is behind this anonymous filing? I really want to know. For science.

>>716211607
probably some ubisoft-hired lawyer. We will never know for sure, EU parliament meticulously shreds and incinerates anything that could resemble an Epstein-esque list

>>716211170
Maybe he is an american and getting second citizenship just double his taxes?
He can apply to a EU universal citizenship as he lived in EU country for 5 years at least

I told you so.

>>716211720
I dunno how the tax situation in this sort of case goes, but maybe. To avoid such taxes he could always give up his US citizenship, but that'd require him to become a EU citizen proper first.

>>716211664
>>716211607
>stand in the middle of a battlefield
>enemy gunshots can already be heard
>"Hmm, I wonder whose bullet could have hit me? Must have been some accidental shooter"

At the end of all this, I want an estimate of how much corpos spent on trying to bury this
Money that couldve gone into making actually good games that dont fizzle out of existence

>>716208921
>1 shekel has been deposited into your goysaver account
don't forget to tip your rabbi

I wonder. I have a bunch of Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft etc. games in my GOG and Steam libraries. What would happen for example if i go to AccountSupport@ubi.com/customerexperience@ea.com and write them an e-mail or go to their discord.
>Hello my name is *some first name*
>I have bought *i add a list of my Ubisoft/EA/Microsoft games on GOG and Steam*
>I add a screenshot of my Steam and GOG libraries that have Ubisoft/EA/Microsoft games in them
>I would like to know Ubisoft's/EA's/Microsoft's official position to the SKG initiative so i can decide if i should continue our business relations in the future.
Would this have any effect on the corporates? What happens if they get millions of e-mails from gamers around the world like this?

>>716212352
Could we do this with their official twitter or facebook accounts too?

>>716212312
You'll probably be able to estimate based on the mass layoffs that'll happen afterward.

>>716209107
>Couldn't keep The Crew out of The Game Dungeon!
lold irl at this, well done pasta shill

I cannot comprehend people being against having a singleplayer/offline mode in upcoming games, why are there people hating on this movement?

>>716212352
>would my email matter?
no
>would milions of emails matter?
yes. however there's no chance that will happen

>>716212416
this is a better tactic than sending emails, cause corpos hate negative pr
>>716212447
literal corporate-paid shills anon, it's very easy to spot

>>716212447
They are corporate paid shills. It's their job to keep videogames shit and to derail this initiative that aims to make videogames better.

>>716212447
Because it's blindly asking for something that's not feasible? Because it'll ruin the indie market? Because it's a blatant grift?

>>716212352
>What would happen...
nothing
>Would this have any effect on the corporates?
no
>What happens if they get millions of e-mails from gamers around the world like this?
nothing. they know you're all niggercattle who can't control yourselves when brand new shiny thing emerges. it's literally the only reason they're still in business.

>>716211720
>He can apply to a EU universal citizenship as he lived in EU country for 5 years at least
The 5 years max requirement is for citizens of other EU countries, for third countries the citizenship requirement varies
Poland has actually the lowest, permanent residency for 3 years, but since he's married to a pole he only needs 2 years
For example in France it's 5, Germany 8, Italy 10

>>716212447
TEBS (temporary embarassed billionaire syndrome) and people actually getting paid to argue in bad faith.
Oh and retarded lolbertarians, but that's a pleonasm.

>>716210192
Then every single person who ever did monetized content (inculding actual fucking journalists) for every single initative ever made should also be investigated.
In other words, this is just bullshit that only serve to gain a bit of time for those retards in the industry to prepare their "defenses".

>>716212503
fuck off shill
post hands sisterfucker

>>716212352
You'll get some empty corpospeak response like "We are committed to bringing our customers the best possible experience" that doesn't address the issue at all. Unless you're talking about literal millions, in which case something may happen as long as enough big name ecelebs and gaming websites have talked about it, but I don't see that happening ever.

>Professional rate of 50-75 euros an hour
Dayum, is that how much corpos are paying their shills these days?
What a retarded evaluation.

>>716212452
>there's no chance that will happen
Why not? We managed to organize ourselves to even make fliers and memes for SKG. Writing an email tweeting at their official accounts on twitter wouldn't be hard. We just have to organize and start doing it. We can organize on multiple social platforms and start doing it all together.

The only thing that will take time is sifting trough out game libraries and seeing which games are from which publisher.

>>716209616
my understanding is that it wasn't filed to the EU, but to the people behind the petition
which I found bizarre, normally you'd alert the EU, not the people you're accusing

>>716212570
>You'll get some empty corpospeak response
Then we keep doing it and ask on a clear stance.
>Are you AGAINST of are you FOR the skg initiative
This should set fire under their feet. We need to force those companies themselves to come with an official statement not them hiding behind a lobby group.

>>716212639
>The only thing that will take time is sifting trough out game libraries and seeing which games are from which publisher.
yeah, and that's how 99% of people will say "meh, not worth my time"

however i am all for shitting on social media, the more people see SKG mentioned and how corpos fuck you over with non-ownership, the better

>>716212582
>Professional rate of 50-75 euros an hour >8000€ to 13800€ a month
You can tell whoever made that claim have no fucking idea about the value of Euros, people would kill to get paid that much.

>>716209107
YOU AND YOUR GAMES ARE DEAD

>This thread
I love the tactic of throwing out blatant BULLSHIT to shut something down. The only thing we know is that an anonymous tipster, who clearly can't read the rules of what is considered a supporter, sent a "concern" of the Stop Destroy Videogames ECI and Ross's involvement in it. There is no indication of investigation, nor freezing of the ECI currently.
Ross is right, the amount of money they are throwing out to try and stop it could've been used for games instead.

>>716212746
>>Are you AGAINST of are you FOR the skg initiative
anon, corpos will NEVER answer a yes/no question with a yes/no answer. it will never ever happen, you will always get non-answer corpospeak.

>>716212812
I know right, that's how you can tell this was made done by a shill or someone not even in the fucking EU, because that is an absurd hourly wage as a "conservative" estimate.

>>716212775
There should be a list somewhere on the interned where you can see which games are published by which videogame publisher. No need to check videogames one by one. Just look at:
>list of videogames published by Ubisoft(see which you have) then screenshot them then write an email and also tag Ubisoft/EA/Microsoft on twitter.

Reminder that Big Tobacco is forced to place enormous cancer warnings on every single pack, bigger than their own brand logo.

Tick tock, vidya industry.

>>716212582
yeah professional lobbyists probably get paid that much

>>716212919
anon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubisoft_games

>>716212582
The company i work at is outsourcing SEO to consultants because the marketing boomer ladies are too fucking dumb to figure it out, the fuckers are the living definition of snake oil sellers
They show up once per week and mumble some bullshit about the performance of keywords with basic pie graphs and tell us to add some AI generated slop into content pages
50€ - 75€ is the standard for this kind of shit, but mind that they only bill 5/6 hours per week

>>716212870
It's ok, if they give a corpo non-answer we can all simply copy paste and tag their account with a statement like this ''due to the non commitment of Ubisoft&co to an answer we can only assume that they are in support of planned obsolesence in digital products, we would create a list where we would be adding any future Ubisoft title so people can avoid them'' this should do wonders to the already shitty outlook those shitty videogame publishers have.

>>716212352
I don't think that 4chan is the right place for an idea like this. I suggest putting this on some other videogame forums where people are a bit more serious.

>>716212503
>Not feasible
It's been feasible since the earliest online games were released decades ago.
>Will ruin the indie market
The indie market that is famously reliant on online-only games that require communication to a central server to remain functional? You don't actually believe that, do you?
>Blatant grift
Show me a single european dollar that has been exchanged in service of the initiative.

You fruitcake

>>716212935
Reminder that Big Tobacco also tried to convince governments that encouraging smoking would save them on pension costs through increased mortality rates.

>>716208875 (OP)
>EU
Well, duh.
They hate the people of the member states.
That (beyond a sheer unbelievable degree of incapability or "donations") is the only explanation for what the EU has been doing to the Europeans within its sphere of influence.

>>716213102
sure anon, i'm all for it
the more corpos are shat on, the better

>>716209616
>>716209975
Ross isn't a member of the Stop Destroying Videogames Initiative (he's a member of SKG, which is the overall movement). The actual leaders of SDV asked the Citizen's initiative if Ross's method of involvement was above board, and it was.
>>716210192
Incorrect. He is not considered a Sponsor for the simple fact he performed volunteer work period.

>>716213219
This is so incredibly vile that i believe it.

>>716213219
Reminder that Big Tobacco had literal asbestos filters in cigs and advertised them as beneficial to your health.

>>716208875 (OP)
The petition is still active and collecting signatures.
An anonymous letter doesn't immediately stop a public campaign in the EU.
Otherwise, any public campaign that goes against someone's interests would constantly be aborted.

>>716209064
It wasn't.
Some anonymous dude signed a complaint against SKG though so it's on hold for investigation and their arguments are
>he invested between 50k and 200k on it
>so he lied because he says SKG wasn't funded and had no major contributions to it
>thus it should be thrown out in the garbage
Dude responded with something along the lines of
>if I make no money off and I'm volunteering for helping it it I'm not considered a sponsor

>corporations are throwing a complaint saying that you can't just do something to improve yours and other people's situation for free
>there is money involved even when there is no money involved
>you can't just do things for the good cause, that's literally impossible
it's fucking hilarious to me that corporations are unable to comprehend someone doing something for the good of the society and not being paid for it
i'm starting to think more and more than corporations are demonic entities and everyone who decides to work for them signs away their soul

>>716212979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Electronic_Arts_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_video_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_Interactive_Entertainment_video_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Activision_video_games
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bethesda_Softworks_video_games

What other videogame publishers are there?

>>716213387
Not really demonic entities. Just hylics. The sooner you realize those are real and numerous, the sooner everything will start making sense.

>>716212540
>sisterfucker
Ahem, the proper nomenclature is sisterraper. Respect the traditions of India, bigot!

>>716213387
anon, they do know it
they just misrepresent it maliciously, that's all this is
every time a corpo rat say shit like this they know exactly what they're doing

>>716210989
Ross isn't a Polish citizen. He's said this many times in his video chats. I've watched every video chat he's done in the past 11 years. He's not a citizen, mainly because he doesn't speak a lick of Polish

>>716209226
The mold isn't organic

>>716213464
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_publishers
quite a few it turns out
>>716213482
whoops, how could i be so insensitive to our brownoid sister raping brothers

>>716213540
As a native I don't blame him. I'm pretty sure my ancestors deliberately designed the language to be hostile to learn for foreigners.

>Lack of transparency claim
>The reporter is anonymous
>It's more of the same lies Video Games Europe already used before
Seems legit.

>>716212582
Only the white ones that have to meet people face to face and make a good impression. The poos that shill online gets that per month. At most.

>>716210121
>Chances for this to actually kill the initiative are close to zero
Why kill it when you can delay it forever and ever with burocratic bullshit?

>>716212812
>>716212917
to be fair that is the rate for consultants, it's not like you employ them fulltime

>>716213629
I've heard it thrown around, but what makes the language hard?

>>716213596
>quite a few it turns out
We need to write emails and contact only the 10 biggest ones or the one we have the most of in our videogame libraries, also must check when some of them merged or were absorbed by bigger publishers. For example how Microsoft now owns Acti Blizz and Bethesda.

>>716212503
>muh indies
Pretty much any small indie dev who tries to make online-only shit has to either give in and add singleplayer mode or go fucking bankrupt. And those are the vast minority of indie developers because most of them are not THAT retarded. Your corposhill argument is retarded.
>it's not feasible!!!
Oh yes, I remember having to connect to a official server just to play a bot match in quake 3 arena. Having offline singleplayer/bot matches and player hosted servers certainly wasn't the default before corpos started pushing for matchmaking.

>>716213273
From the NIH report.

>Officials in the Czech Republic have been given an analysis, commissioned by the cigarette manufacturer, which suggests that the economic benefits of smoking to the country far outweigh the harmful effects. Rather than being a drain on healthcare resources, smoking actually saves the country more than £100m ($140m) a year

>It worked out that the early death of smokers saved the government up to £21.5m on health care, pensions, and housing for elderly people in 1999. The auditors also calculated how much the country spent on caring for people with smoking related diseases and the income tax lost when smokers die. Overall the net profit made by the government, including the revenues from tobacco tax, in 1999 came to £102.3m.

The NIH's response to the argument was:
>"A company that goes out of its way to rationalise as a good thing the fact that its products kill people does not deserve such a seat at the table.”

>>716213794
>A company that goes out of its way to rationalise as a good thing the fact that its products kill people does not deserve such a seat at the table.

>>716213794
I kneel to the EU. Maybe there is hope for vidya after all.

>>716213794
I cannot comprehend how you can be this inhuman. I actually cannot. Every time I try to rationalize how this could've happened, I go back to "No actual human can be this cold".
I get greed, I even get backstabbing your fellow man even if I disagree heavily with it morally, but then this type of shit is a whole other level

>>716213302
Reminder that asbestos companies still to this day has pocket "scientists" that travel around the world to faculties, giving lectures on the wonders of asbestos while downplaying the dangerous sides.

>>716213794
so this is basically the pinto report all over again
fuck every single corporation and corpo rat. if a genie said i could trade my life for any wish i wanted, i'd tell him to make every corpo rat suffer eternal torment, then kill myself on the spot

>>716213710
>sets of symbols corresponding to the same phonetic, gotta learn which is used where (rz/ż, h/ch, u/ó)
>every single noun is gendered, have to learn that table is male, spoon is female and a bed is neither
>7 grammatical cases throwing untold chaos into the sentence structure
Just off the top of my head, there's more.

>>716208921
I think you should fucking kill yourself

>>716213794
EU needs to start using execution by firing squad and permanently banning them from ever being allowed any say in anything for these companies.

>>716213937
because you're thinkging a corporation is some sort of a person and it feels anything
the people who wrote this report were asked by a supervisor to "prepare a statistic" and they did
then some other person handled it
some other person sent it
some other person talked about it
and so on so forth, and each one of these will be like "well i was just asked to prepare X", "i was just doing what my supervisor told me to do"
it's literally nuremberg defense, but with corporate

>>716213947
amazing, just amazing

>>716213794
And then corpos wonder why most people hate their guts.

>>716213710
grammar hell

>>716213794
Same thing in my country. They keep rasing the tax on smokes a teensy amount once or twice a year, instead of big jump, so people don't quit cold turkey and deprive the government of tax money.

Imagine how much better the discussion of SKG would be here if India was rangebanned.

>>716208875 (OP)
We all know who that "anonymous source who filed a complaint" is lol. Guess he got bored of fucking ferrets and inserting that gnome dildo in his rectum.

>>716213937
The only Rich Man who has empathy for his fellow man is either from an old wealth family that's been around long enough to have bred out of their psychopathy, or has won the lottery. Psychopathy is richly rewarded in this world

>>716214240
They'd hire shills from SEA regions. It's not like the world is lacking poor people that would do the shittiest jobs on earth for a few bucks.

>>716214263
Listen, we can't know who is that anonymous complainer who worked at Blizzard for 7 years, it's the entire point of anonymity, to not be able to tell who was the master hacker who did it.

>>716213794
>>716213937
nothing still beats Nestle and their stance on water.
>At the second World Water Forum in 2000, Nestlé and other corporations persuaded the World Water Council to change its statement so as to reduce access to drinking water from a "right" to a "need".
>Nestlé continues to take control of aquifers and bottle their water for profit.

>In 1994 Helmut Maucher, Nestlé's CEO commented, "Springs are like petroleum.
>His successor, Peter Brabeck-Letmathe, was criticized when, in a 2005 documentary, he similarly promoted and rationalized the commodification of water, saying: "One perspective held by various NGOs—which I would call extreme—is that water should be declared a human right."

>>716213794
Well, you may hate them, but the industry's argument is sound.

It's the same shit "climate activists" have been pulling:
>If you tax your industry to death, you'll save the planet!
The argument is sound: Only once humankind has been eradicated, the planet will be saved from it.
I don't see how people making that point are allowed "a seat at the table", though.

>>716214240
>>716214360
They wouldn't hire SEA, they'd just have the pajeets run VPNs.

>>716213937
Jews aren't human.

>>716213937
This is hardly a new thing. One of the more famous examples is Ford calculating that it was cheaper to let some people die in carcrashes than recalling a model they knew had a defect.

>>716212582
Game companies would rather pay hundreds shills that much than to pay for a few hours of labor to make an offline/dedicated server patch for a game

>>716214445
Yeah, it turns out that you make a lot of money when people are effectively forced to buy new games to replace the broken old games that people would otherwise play.

>>716214401
>>716214441
And the Coca Cola Death Squads.

>>716209107
>I knew it was 1216 hours of work. One after Magna Carta

>>716213794

>>716208875 (OP)
Heh. Told you so.

You will own le nothing
And you will be le happy

Someone got that Rickshaw Ross pic? It's becoming one of my favourite things that came out of this recent shitshow.

All SKG is asking is a simple end of life plan for video games and that games cant be destroyed by a company after you buy them
Why are all the jeets, troons and other industry shills kvetching so hard?

>>716214640
It's the first domino in a long line of industry tricks getting exposed

The complaint was probably filed from either Bulgaria or Croatia as they are the only ones that the petition is directly translated as "stop destroying games"

>it will never hit 500k
>it will never hit 800k
>it will never hit 900k
>it will never hit 1m
>ahaha 200k of those votes are botted, its dead
>ahah 300k of those votes are botted, its dead
>ahah 400k of those votes are botted, its dead
>demanding source code is unrealistic, skg will be thrown out
>actually this will kill live service indie devs
>supporting games forever is impossible, it will be thrown out
>this will kill LGBTQ+ devs
>actually, isn't skg a lot like gamergate 2..0......?
>actually ross is a liar and committing fraud by not declaring funding
>INITIATIVE IS DEAD, FRAUD REVEALED
You are here, corporate shills

>>716213710
t. pole
basically it's the complication. noun genders, declension, word order(or lack thereof), non-standard sounds like ęążćź, massive conjugation rules, etc etc. i think declension is super hard for anglos because they have no such thing.
and then you have slang, local dialects, proper/improper speech, germanisms, anglicisms, etc etc.
and also the fact that a shitload of polish cunts can't really speak polish properly and make mistakes all the fucking time
it's pretty fun

>>716209107
Meticulous work.

>>716213982
Polish intellectuals haven't figured out any gendering structure for nouns that every single Slavic language has?
>noun ends in -e or -o
Neuter
>noun ends in -a or -ya
Feminine
>noun ends in anything else
Masculine

>>716213363
>he invested between 50k and 200k on it
how is that different from lobbying

>>716213937
Jews are simply like that.

>>716215059
Don't ask me I'm not a lawyer.

>>716209616
They're scared. Good.

>>716215059
he didn't invest anything

>>716215059
Lobbying is corporations looking out for their best interest, a cornerstone of the economy. People aren't allowed to do that because the individual's greed hurts the economy.

>>716209251
>it got suspended for duration of investigation.
Was this real in your mind?

>>716211375
>But honestly I see it a lot among english speaking natives
Just a lack of intellectual flexibility

>>716215161
>moldman flat out admits that their low estimate is more than he earns and has ever earned in a full year
Based poorchad

>>716215161
lol
lmao even

>>716215161
>15-20 weeks at 12-14 hours a day is "conservative"
lmao what

>>716213982
Let me hive you a small taste of the chaos. Take an apple, which in polish is jabłko, plural jabłka.

Let's say you're a vendor who trades in apples (trade in X is handluję X). Would you say "handluję jabłka" which would actually make sense? Oh no, you have to say "handluję jabłkami" because fuck you.

And when you move to the past tense, there's another twist because the verb changes. You'd say "handlowałem jabłkami". That is, unless you're a woman, in which case you'd have to say "handlowałam jabłkami".

But you could do something simpler, singular, like "I have an apple" which would be "Mam jabłko". And when you don't have one, you'd say "Nie mam jabłka" which is still singular, not to be confused with plural jabłka.

>>716215059
He didn't invest anything, that's just their bullshit calculation for the value of his unpaid labor.

>>716215349
don't forget most people don't actually say "jabłko", they say "japko" or "jabko

>>716214538
*mana Carta.

>>716215059
It's a transparency complaint. The allegation is that he's done this work and the Stop Destroying Videogames initiative should've included it as part of their financial disclosures.

The rebuttal is that volunteer work doesn't need to be disclosed.

>>716215349
"nie mam jabułka" debilu

>>716209268
There is no source because it's bullshit.

>>716215059
The claim isn't that Ross spent money on the initiative, but rather that the "work" that Ross has done has value equivalent to that amount of money. See >>716215161
It's still bullshit, and volunteer work doesn't even need to be disclosed anyways.

>>716210192
You have literally no fucking clue what you are talking about, rajesh.

>>716215525
What's that, not a typo?

>>716208921
so much THIS!
billionaires are living saints

>>716210192
Ross doesn't monetize any of his videos.
Shills are really getting insanely desperate.
Is smearing Ross the best you retards can do?

>>716215564
>>716215610
The videos were monetized, therefore his work for SKG wasn't volunteer work and if he wasn't making market rates that's his problem.

>>716215813
It's not work for skg if skg doesn't pay him

>>716214603
>roachsoftware interpreted a clear joke as something serious(politicians like easy wins so SKG has a good chance)
>corpo letter interpreted a clear joke as something serious(Ross' rickshaw business)
Coincidence? I think not

>>716215813
That's not how that works.

>>716215813
he's technically not even a part of SKG. Do you see "Ross Scott" anywhere on the list? Dumb <filename>

>>716215059
>how is this demonstrably wrong accusation different from lobbying
The ECI rules explicitly state that volunteer work does not count as funding.

Not only do the shills not own their games, they don't own any real evidence against Ross either.

>>716215995
that's stop destroying videogames

>>716216121
so SKG doesn't even exist. How is he doing real work and benefitting from it financially when SKG doesn't exist?

>>716215995
>Do you see "Ross Scott" anywhere on the list?
The list you posted is not Stop Killing Games, run by Ross Scott.

That's the European Citizen's Initiative entitled "Stop Destroying Videogames", which is operated by European citizens. Ross is not involved, as he is not an EU citizen.

>>716216184
The fact is that Stop Killing Games is the movement and Stop Destroying Videogames is the ECI. Shills are still wrong because he still isn't an official member of the ECI, just a cheerleader who started the movement that led to the ECI

>>716215664
Correct. But mages are still the best class! That's why I- I mean, HE had rank 1 blizzard on hotkey.

>ubi donates 501 bucks to SKG 30 seconds before the initiative ends
>they don't have enough time to disclose the donation
GG EZ

>>716216216
>The list you posted is not Stop Killing Games, run by Ross Scott.
I'm gonna need a source on that chief.

>>716216276
ross' latest video

>>716215664
It's a reference to the mana gem.

>>716211334
i enjoyed this post

>>716216276
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2024/000007_en
This is the link to the ECI, which is notably not called Stop Killing Games.

>>716216318
where he explicitly explains he doesn't run anything, doesn't give anyone orders and doesn't employ anyone?

>>716213363
>>if I make no money off and I'm volunteering for helping it it I'm not considered a sponsor
Why not? Sounds like a sponsor to me.

>>716216343
no, I mean a source on Ross Scott running Stop Killing Games. He explicitly said he doesn't run shit. He's merely a youtuber talking about it

>>716209107
forgot the part where you open MSpaint and draw some little dumb shit on it like 2+2=4

>>716216369
I don't know, but such are the rules

>>716216345
Timestamp where he says that. Thanks

>>716210012
Bait used to be believable.

>just like blizz devs were right about WoW Classic back then and we mocked them

IDGAF about wow but they failed to learn from OSRS which became its own game compared to modern RS. WoW classic just updated with the exact same content.

>>716216267
Ubisoft has been some ungodly petty and antagonistic at people wanting to own their games I could see them trying to pull something shady like that

I'm afraid that the vidya industry is going to escalate this further with bullshit scandals. Maybe attacking Ross won't do anything, since all he is realistically is a very vocal supporter, but it's shit that he has a target on his back now.

>>716213357
>An anonymous letter doesn't immediately stop a public campaign in the EU.
Sounds like communism
>Otherwise, any public campaign that goes against someone's interests would constantly be aborted.
Now that sounds like a democratic procedure. Just letting some petition continue illegally is the height of stupidity when valid criticisms are raised.

>>716212165
it was just a concerned citizen who wanted to make sure everything was fair and legal

>>716211334
Proceed.

>>716216448
>valid criticisms

>>716216408
https://youtu.be/fQN_ZA5WRpo?si=E9BilKQe174SxRgD&t=145
here you go my dude.

>>716216382
>I mean a source on Ross Scott running Stop Killing Games.
His email is at the footer on stopkillinggames.com

>He explicitly said he doesn't run shit. He's merely a youtuber talking about it
You're confusing the Stop Killing Games movement, and the Stop Destroying Videogames initiative. He doesn't run the initiative.

>>716213387
Philanthropy is the greatest threat to capitalism we've seen in the last century.

>>716209268
Here:
>The UN petitions review board ruled on Monday that OP is a faggot and made it the fuck up. The future of OP's thread is now uncertain following the ruling. Experts believe that the thread will still hit bump limit despite this ruling thanks to gullible retards.

>>716216032
If volunteer work counted as funding then all of us thjat have been making threads, SKG flyers, SKG memes and have shared the initiative online in out own time would also have to be counted as ''funding''. The claim is gay and cringe.

>>716213240
it's not volunteer work if he gets paid for it.

>>716216519
>>716216508

>>716216508
This doesn't say that. Maybe be a bit more specifc?

>>716216568
He doesn't.

>>716216369
>Why not?
>>716216561

>>716212447
>Movement hijacked by dramatubers to dunk on Pirate Software and only succeeded because of spite signing when they had a full year to sign it before then.
Gee, I wonder why people are having second thoughts about this when most videos about the subject must bring up Pirate Software when he hasn't been relevant to the subject for months now.

>>716216448
this is a paid shill post
call out and move on

>>716216505
invalid criticisms would get ignored

>>716216594
it does say that. You can be as disingenuous as you want, saar.

>>716216267
$501? Jeez dude best I can do is $500.01

>>716216615
Nobody is having second thoughts, retardo.

>>716213937
>goys
>people

>>716216635
I'm just havin' a giggle at this stupid, straw grasping attempt.

>>716216642
>you need to disclose donations over 500EUR
>ubi donates 500USD by mistake
team rocket type shit

>>716216615
I like how you ignored the part about all the drama actually making people aware the initiative is a thing. Very organic.

The vast majority of the initiatives fail to hit the million simply because no one knows the ECI is a thing. Dramatubers may be cancer but they also help spread awareness.

>tfw Australian and our SKG avenue is still "under review" by the ACCC
I hope you euros do it, might get us to get off our arse.

>>716216639
It doesn't.
Please, link the exact part where he explicitly explains he doesn't run anything, doesn't give anyone orders and doesn't employ anyone.

>>716216267
That would be a very bad move for ubisoft.

>>716216428
>initiative members suddenly get 30 terabytes of cp downloaded into their machines

>>716208875 (OP)
>ok well look into this initiative
>wait so why are you calling games ''services'' while selling them as goods?
>why do you ask for a initial 80$ price for a ''service''
>why does this service come on a disk or require a download
>why isnt your service working properly when you offer it? why does it need tons of fixes on release
>why dont you offer proper customer support and refunds on your service?
>speaking of services, the way this service looks looks a awful lot like gambling
>why arnt you following gambling laws?
and so on and so on
Ubisoft (and every other publisher) have been riding a very thin line in selling videogames as goods but reaping all the benefits of providing a service, SKG is going to force them to define what the product is and what standards its supposed to uphold
they are deadly afraid and will try and do anything to discredit the movement, dont be surprised if the articles about trannies recieving death threats from SKG start appearing

>>716216773
I wonder if the internet popularity of this might translate to at least a small bump of people being interested in ECIs. I know it has for me despite not being euro

>>716216801
He just did shill. Your jew bot seems to be broken, time to get a new one.

>>716216801
nah

>>716216592
He's reading the complaint which conflates the Stop Killing Games movement and the Stop Destroying Videogames initiative as the "Stop Killing Games initiative". That's not a gotcha.

From earlier in the video:

Okay, a quick refresher, because I know this gets confusing:
0:22
I founded the Stop Killing Games movement
0:25
to challenge the legality of publishers destroying games which you've paid for.
0:29
This has involved a lot of things which I've shown in slides before,
0:32
and that includes assisting with the European Citizens' Initiative,
0:36
which is the biggest thing going on with it right now.
0:39
However, I am actually not the founder of the European Citizens' Initiative.
0:43
That would be a group of volunteers whom I'm in touch with.
0:47
I'm ineligible to have an official role in the initiative.
0:50
I'm just a major promoter of it.
0:52
It's always been something separate.
0:54
That's part of why it's called the "Stop Destroying Videogames" initiative
0:58
instead of the "Stop Killing Games" movement.

>>716216773
nta but the drama was also a good reminder it existed desu.
I completely forgot to sign it the first time (I said "I'll sign when I get home" 10 months ago kek) and I only did when I saw SKG pop up again.

>>716216779
Place your bets on the bong one being sent the same letter for the 3rd time.

>>716216848
It literally didn't say that. Sorry

>>716216849
Okay.

>>716216806
We simply wanted to support consumer rights :)

>>716208921
I wish everyone who thought SKGs was about forcing devs to keep games online indefinitely (or at least argued like they did) died by being raped by gorillas

>>716216807
>Ross and several prominent members of SKG are found dead by suicide from 3 bullets in the back of the head with their hands tied behind their back in a locked room with no gun

>>716216872
Labor is just Tories but gayer, so yeah. They have more retarded shit they have to do over simple consumer wins.

>>716216901
Isn't that literally what the movement is about? Forcing devs to make their games playable forever, evne if they don't want to?
I'm very new to the thread, excuse my ignorance.

>>716216894
The EU takes a very strong stance on the spirit of the law so such a move would be seen for the bullshit attempt it is.

>>716216801
>make the enemy live up to its own rules
I see the shills are desperate enough to go full Alinsky.

>>716216901
You can't keep gorillas raping retards forever, that's too expensive.

>>716216951
What you said is literally not what he said

>>716216951
Nah, the whole thing is open ended so it's in the devs hands what "functionally playable" looks like after they stop their services, but the bottom line is that the game must be in a sufficient state.

>>716216428
I'm ready to bet they pushed the Collective Shout thing banning porn games hoping Ross would make a statement on him and they could connect SKG with the massive amount of hate and "death threats" Collective Shout has been getting online ever since the ban. Basically turn it into gamergate 2.0 and discredit the whole thing as nothing but a big hate campaign.
So far he hasn't taken the bait, let's hope it stays that way.

>not going to hit 1.5m
ITS OGRE, WE LOST BROS

>>716216951
https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

>>716216951
>Forcing devs to make their games playable forever, evne if they don't want to?
It's about leaving games in a playable state, not maintaining games forever.

>>716216951

>>716216991
>It's in the devs hands
>But it must meet this arbitrary requirement
What is this requirement?

>>716217039
>>716217040
>>716217050
That's exactly what I was talking about.
Doesn't that mean the game has to be playable forever, even if they don't want it to be?

>>716216809
>dont be surprised if the articles about trannies recieving death threats from SKG start appearing
of course they will, the antis are already trying to push the "skg = gamergate 2.0" narrative, it's only going to get worse

>>716217072
Leave the game playable

>>716217072
That the game remains playable in some form. This could mean no matchmaking, no anti-cheat, no other accounting features, no e-shop etc. etc. but the bare ass, ready to go multiplayer game that you can set up with a private server or LAN party.
The other upside is that single player games that barely rely on online features can finally FUCK OFF.

>>716217134
It'd be playable, with or without their wishes, but they don't have to run it forever.

>>716217134
Well, yeah.

But "playable forever" should not be conflated with "must run servers forever".

>>716217134
tough tiddies mr publisher

>>716208875 (OP)
Ok so let me get this straight
>Ross didn't spend any money
>but "work" inheritly has value and since Ross didn't disclose the theoretical value of his volunteer work, it should be thrown out
The complaint has to be a troll, right? No one would ever buy this

>>716217134
Yes, you give up the right to take it away once you sell it.

>>716217134
yes. if you want to turn off access to your products at any time you need to switch to a service/subscription model.

>>716217140
I thought we were up to GG 3.0 now? Sweet Baby Inc. was GG 2.0.

>>716217195
Wait I just realized
>His "work" was worth x amount of euros
>This is the same type of logic behind Marx's labour theory of value

>>716209107
Gold.

>>716217195
they are literally grasping at straws here, i wouldnt be surprised if this complaint was written by a American lawyer hoping the judge chooses this corpo excuse

>>716217171
I don't really understand why anyone would continue making games, if they can't make what they want to make.
If I make a game, and I want my game to be unplayable after a certain date, I feel like it should be allowed. I worry this initivite limits creativity in that regard.

>>716217178
I didn't conflate it for that. Don't worry.

>>716216951
No it's about not removing peoples ability to keep playing them through forced obsolescence.
The point is that you be able to at least be able to boot the game and engage in the content in some capacity, the initiative is vague because it intends to throw the ball into the court of law makers and industry people and understands that every game is different.
An end of life plan could be anything from setting up p2p server connections, releasing server software so that people could host their own servers, offline modes of some capacity, we don't expect every game to maintain 100% functionality forever.
As an example, the crew could very easily function as a single player product if a couple of switches where flipped, but instead ubisoft has elected to not only take the game servers down, but to make it so you can't even boot up your software.
If you could at least launch the game and drive around the map in your vehicles, but none of the online functions work, this would be in line with what the initiative wants.

>>716216997
I know Collective Shout is yet another attempt to curb down SKG, just like how they shut down Occupy Wallstreet.

>>716216951
>Forcing devs to make their games playable forever, evne if they don't want to?
nah it's just end of support plan, it could range from full release of the source code to a information on when exactly the service will cease and game be shutdown when you purchase it
It's basic consumer protection regulation which kind of already exists but isn't specific and isn't enforced

>>716217195
it's even funnier when you think about it, it's the corpos admitting that even volounteer work has monetary value
imagine if someone in EU said "you know what, you're right - that's why all corporations have to pay volounteers this rate from now on" after reading this

>>716217314
Why?
No seriously, what good reason would you, as a developer, would want to take away something you made to be destroyed forever that gave someone some happiness?

If the EU cancels this because of some anonymous complaint very likely a malicious industry actor then democracy is dead and if you are an EU citizen you should revolt.

>>716217314
>If I make a game, and I want my game to be unplayable after a certain date, I feel like it should be allowed. I worry this initivite limits creativity in that regard.
lmao shills are getting desperate

>>716217379
I doubt they'll cancel it, we are getting actual MEPs talking about it and individual countries with consumer advocacy agencies talking about it as well.
Even if the ECI itself fails for whatever reason, the conversation has started.

>>716217314
Scams should be banned, sorry

>>716217314
One of the options is putting a “This product will no longer be usable after this date” on the cover.

>>716217314
i agree. i can't fathom how all those 20th century game devs survived with all the creative restriction of not being able to go to your house and smash your snes cartridge with a sledgehammer.

>>716217373
To play devils advocate, maybe I've made an art game that's only art if it dies, like Vlambeer with Glitchhiker, or THE CUBE with Peter Molyneux.
My point is, how will the initivite handle games like this, where reviving it wouldn't be appropriate?

The corporations are shaking with anger after their shill campaign to stop people from signing this failed. I hope the EU slaps them around

>>716217495
>the conversation had started
this is bureacracy speak for never happens

t. work in gubmint so know this

>>716217530
Don't charge money for the game

>>716217530
You can give it away for free or put an end of service date front and center.

>>716217530
>i want the painting to burst in flames and disappear after some time
well tough shit. go sell it in us, there's no consumer protection rights there

>>716217530
Maybe, but at the same time if the concept is the art itself, then don't make money off of it. No money exchanged = no foul. Once money gets involved, then it starts getting fucky.

>>716217314
>limits creativity
Should car manufacturers be allowed the creative freedom of making a car without airbags or seatbelts?

>>716217517
this. letting you own the thing you bought isn't a creative restriction.

>forcing develpers to support the games forever because you coudnt play The Crew
LOL

>>716210595
>>meanwhile literally all his opponents are industry figures who are very explicitly opposing him due to the heavy financial interest they have in being able to sell consumers new games after the old ones no longer function
Anon, then wouldn't care either way since skg doesn't prevent they.

>>716217530
SWITCH
TO
A
SERVICE
MODEL

Given the cassette tape and later CD DESTROYED the music industry because people could listen to Tina Turner's greatest hits long after play on the radio ended it is clear SKG is going to do the same level of irreparable damage to the vidya industry.

>>716217530
Then it belongs in a gallery, devil's retard.

>meanwhile uk

>>716217609
Yes.

>>716217654
>being a brown indian shill sisterfucker eating shit
LOL

>>716211375
>he can barely pronounce "kurwa"
So he's at native level.

>>716217314
Wow I can't make a game where it blows up their computer and kills them when they lose? Talk about restricting my creative freedom.. as a dev I should be able to do that...
what's the point of even making games? creativity is dead...

>>716217134
What they want it to be is irrelevant, because part of selling a good is that you give up the right to control it.

>>716217696
>5 days
I have hope for the EU one but not the Bongs.

>>716217668
why wasn't that the case with records?

>>716217668
Tough titties

>>716217606
>>716217581
Why aren't artists allowed to sell art, in your opinion?

>>716217696
They won't do shit. They haven't twice before.

>>716217696
fantastic, bongs on the top of their game

>>716217696
The pajeets in charge will just throw that out

>>716217609
Not being allowed to put whatever I want into food limits my creativity and hurts my profits. This needs to be changed.

>>716217764
It's only a problem when it goes against my right of ownership.

>>716217764
Artist here, removing access to your art is just being a major asshole and is only ever done by the most mentally ill subhumans imagineable.
If you charge money for it, you deserve to get shot.

>>716217748
>>716217775
>>716217784
>>716217801
Sorry, I posted outdated screenshot.

>>716217696
I'm willing to bet it'll get tossed to the side with a
>so they bought a game that they knew could be rendered unusable by design and they think they should be banned?
>it seems like a waste of resources when they can just not buy the product.

>>716217803
just move to america, you can put anything you want in there

>>716217609
Sure. I've driven cars without airbags before.
Usually they aren't road legal, but you are allowed to make a kit car and drive it around your land.

>>716217530
The examples you listed clearly stated that eventually they would become unplayable as a part of the experience.

>>716217750
Nobody owned a steel-belted radio.

>>716209616
Do you think only EU citizens can make EU initiatives?
He has people who set up EU initiative for him, he isn't doing this solo he told this plenty of times.

>>716217803
The correct analogy would be as a restaurant I have the right to take back any food that’s not eaten after 20 minutes.

>>716217902
That's... His point.

>>716217869
You don't own other people's art. You are just paying to use it.
Same with music, movies, video games, books, etc.

>>716217897
lmao this entire post

>>716217883
>waiting 21 days
Wait, didn't that used to say 14 days?

>>716217949
Then under this initiative they would have to put the end of service date which they basically did.

>>716217941
Except it's more a restaurant sells you food once and shuts down several years later.

>>716217883
sadly the UK goverment has never been consumer friendly, they almost always side with corpos
like literally you need to have a club card in tesco to not be charged a premium for nearly anything they sell in store and they're not doing shit about it
they'll sweep this under the rug again

>>716217902
Is that the issue? I thought the ToS usually said that the product can/will be removed from you at a date in the future.
What's the difference? Thanks for the help.

>>716217950
I disagree

>>716217950
If you buy art as a product, then you do in fact own it. If I buy a painting from an artist, he has no ownership over my particular copy

>SKG asks for companies to leave their games in a functional playable state once support for it is over, leaving a offline mode for online only games for preservation purposes
>Somehow this is controversial
This thread is full of bots

>>716218015
Then you are incorrect.

How many more vidya companies part of pic related are going to put out a statement to say "Yeah, we didn't have any say about the statement put out by Video Games Europe"? Epic already has, we know Ubisoft won't.
Seems like easy PR.

>>716217195
>couldn't dig through his closet deep enough to find some dirt worthy of stinging him with
>literally cooking up bullshit out of thin air and claiming it to be the gospel truth
>le anonymous tip so you couldn't trace it back just to laugh at them
The absolute state

>>716217902
Even that isn't enough. They need a precise date for it to legally count, I believe

>>716217897
So we can let you make a game and play it on your own and then kill it

>>716217950
You own the copy you have of their art and are free to modify it as you wish, so long as you don't try to redistribute it or sell it.
Art is not a service, it's a product, no matter how you put it, it's stored with you.

>>716218006
>This product will be taken away from you some time in the future, could be 1 hour from now or 100 years form now, who knows, get fucked
>You have access to this product till the 8/30/25
Yeah, it's the same thing.

>>716218023
Sure, but you still own a Davinci. The artwork is still his, you just paid to have access to it.

>>716217950
Well the 4 paintings that have sat on my walls for 30 years disagrees.

>>716218058
The legal framework decides the nature of ownership. Agreeing or disagreeing on a philosophical stance is irrelevant.

>>716217940
>Do you think only EU citizens can make EU initiatives?
Yeah... I mean he had to get people to set up the EU initiative for him.

>>716210989
You are not fooling anyone Mohammad, you will never be European

>>716218058
i do own the painting
i don't own the copyright to that painting, unless i bought that too

>>716218006
tucking that stuff away in the ToS isn't actually legally binding and it's dishonest, also videogames are still sold as if they are products rather than services, the truth is devs don't want to put end of service dates on the store page because they know it would put people off from buying in the first place
they want the benefits of charging for a product while also having the benefits of being a service, with none of the downsides of either, which is unfair to the consumer and is fraudulent behaviour

>>716217668
retard take, games were just fine in the 90s without the server DRM authentication , and no one went bankrupt because of that , except for retards that made objectivelly bad fucking games, if anything all those companies became the corpos we have now that are full of investors trying to squeeze the last dollar out of the least amount of effort , and by the way they are the same reason that even the studios that made good games that just didn't sell that well because of poor marketing or publisher's retarded decisions (like developing for a soon to be dead console, console that was dead on arrival, etc)

>>716218134
I have more than access to it. I can burn it, sell it, paint over it or whatever else I want to do with the copy that I own

>>716218134
It’s his artwork but not his property

>>716218130
So what's the issue exactly? You agree to something being taken away from you in the future in both contracts.

>>716218134
no, the artwork isn't his
the copyright is

>>716218168
But anyone from anywhere can do it. They just need a proxy and it's not even considered invalid tactic.

>>716218039
Yeah SKGers do tend to spout the same thing over and over.

>>716218239
I disagree with the terms of the contract

>>716218190
>tucking that stuff away in the ToS isn't actually legally binding
Yeah? Then why do they hire legal teams to write them?

>>716218239
if that's the case then it's okay to force game publishers to specifiy a hard expiry date, right?

>>716208921
I think you should shut the fuck up

>>716218239
One is consumer friendly the other isn’t. It shouldn’t be hard for a video game maker to have a set date.

>>716218134
if by access to it you mean I can rub my dick and balls all over it, lock it in my vault for a million years and set it on fire then sure, "access to it"

>>716218231
I think that's correct. Davinci could just paint another identical painting and sell it again.

>>716218285
Then you don't play the game.
What's do you think is unfair about that?

>>716218276
Nah, give a good reason why this should be opposed

>>716218239
Sign a contract with those terms with your ISP and cellphone provider. Go on, it's the same after all.

>>716218134
>retard who doesn't know anything about art trying to tell you how ownership works
This sort of semantic about art actually hurts my soul, art is meant to be shared.

>>716218361

>>716213794
>Saves money
I have a feeling thar all those cancer patients filling up a hospital and therefore increasing the labor costs of keeping them alive, and also maintaining the morgue and crematoriums/graveyards, while also reducing the amount of tax payers who funnel the money into the government is not a good strategy.
I wonder if a slopfood company like mcdonalds ever tried to push the same thing, while absolutely disregarding the real estate of burying or energy costs and dangers of cremating a fatass.

>>716218351
The terms of the sale

>>716218361
Why, so you can just go
>doesn't count!
>I don't understand it so it's bad
>I'm actually American so explain it to me in food termd

>>716216979
Hes not demanding that the gorillas rape retards forever. Just to have the option for the gorillas to rape retards periodically in perpetuity

>>716218317
No, I've not reached that conclusion yet.
While I don't personally have an issue with games having clearly defined end-dates, I actually think it's usually best, I don't think you should force them to do it.
As long as it's disclosed that service is ending (and in our examples, it is) I don't understand the difference or understand how a date makes it "more fair".

>>716218351
>just don't play the game
>just don't use asbestos
>just don't drive cars without airbags
>just don't be poor to not aford healthcare
>just don't eat toxic hyper processed foods
>just don't breath the smog
fuck off pajeet

>>716218443
Your on 4chan, you have the time to explain

>>716218486
Why are you so upset? Sorry that I upset you.

>>716218513
Sure, but I don't have the patience to explain to someone who signed a petition without reading it.

>>716218457
listen i forgot to tell you
i already know you're a shill, everyone does
it'spainfully obvious to spot, and everyone know you've just been told to switch tactics to concern trolling or shit like "i agree buuuuut".
so how about you fuck off and die you brown sisterfucker corpo rat

>>716218570
Yes you do, please I insist. Let's have a civil discussion

>>716213794
>leafs fast tracking euthanasia to save even more shekels in the long term
Just one step away from full Chairman Yang styled tank beds for every citizen at the end of their Logan's Run.

>>716218568
Being reminded that someone as retarded as you can be alive rather than having died from forgetting to breathe makes me ashamed to be human.

>>716218589
see
>>716218568

>>716218457
>this milk will go bad some time in the future
why do you need expiry dates on food? just eyeball it you dunce
just don't buy rotten food, are you dumb?

>>716218603
nah

>>716218649
I can literally smell your breakfast shit through the internet tubes.

>>716218649
Classic tactic, I've used it many a times

>>716218659
The expirary dates are not for the customer, they are a legal fail-safe to prevent your company from getting sued when someone eventually eats rotten food and tries to sue you.
The history of sell-by-dates is interesting.

>>716218649
you are a brown sisterfucker
i spit on you

>>716209616
smells like merchants

>>716218457
I can’t think of any other industry that sells indefinite subscriptions.

>>716217314
>i want to make a game that steals all the credit card information stored on any computer it's installed on
>this is illegal, therefore noone will ever make videogames, forced into a depressive malaise by their stifled greed- I mean creativity

>>716218709
Sorry I made you cry anon.

>>716218727
>no it's totally for the corporation's sake
well the corpos should've put expiration dates on games and this situation wouldn't have occured then :)

>>716218782
You should be. It fucking stinks. You can make it all better by going home, and after fucking your mom and sister. Kill yourself.

>>716218851
I'll fuck my mom and sister, but killing myself is out of the question

>>716217764
Is it art or a product? Which do you care about?

>>716218297
Because they're a boilerplate "don't sue us if you use our product wrong" thing and not supposed to be something a company can hide clauses in so that they can fuck their customers over? It's not reasonable to expect normal people to read several pages of legalese, most of which they barely understand and then expect them to be able to agree with it and everything it might entail.

>>716218134
He's the creator, not the owner.

>>716218748
except, y'know, video games? what exactly is illegal about that business model?

>>716217764
Because we are talking about products, not art.

>>716208875 (OP)
>he's volunteering too much! there for it's false
I fucking hate the fagbags behind the video game industry

>>716219002
Nothing which is why the initiative exists.

>>716208875 (OP)
Okay but really, why do you guys even care about SKG?
Yeah, slop like Anthem, Overwatch, and The Crew will be forced to let you play offline, but live service games are shit anyways so who gives a fuck? Imagine buying these games in the first place.
Live service slop is barely even 5% of what’s actually wrong with vidya.

If you're a bot and you know it clap your hands

>>716219002
That second part of the sentence

>>716219105
developers should be punished for crimes against humanity

>>716219105
>Okay but really, why do you guys even care about SKG?
Because I want to openly boycott and discourage always online shit instead of ignoring the problem, like you want me to.

>>716219061
Art isn't a product? What is it then?

>>716219105
>Okay but really, why do you guys even care about SKG?
Because I play video games?

>>716219105
SHILL POST, DO NOT REPLY

>>716219105
I'm not trying to save vidya, I'm trying to set a precedent for digital ownership.

>>716213794
For further study:
>This is fucking Marlboro
>This report was personally greenlit by Phillip Morris
>There was an independent follow up study afterwards, which found that smoking actually takes three-four times more money from healthcare than it brings

>>716217764
Why aren't people allowed to harm others? It limits artistic ability if you can't rob, rape and kill people at will.

>>716212430
>radicalize your recently fired slaves to go rip some moldbrained dude a new one for putting you in this predicament in the first place
Wouldn't be the first time that something like this has happened. People have been hurt for far less than what is currently at stake money wise.

>>716219229
>Why aren't people allowed to harm others?
They are if they both agree to it.
An example of such could be boxing.

>>716219205
No way, you're telling that I shouldn't blindly accept tobacco sponsored studies?

>>716219205
lmao so not only they said fucking inhuman things
they also lied about them
amazing, give me one reason to not hate corporations, one single reason is enough

>>716219283
I mean a robbery is technically agreed by both party as well.
I point a gun at you demanding your money, you give it to me willingly or else.

>>716210736
>>716210702
>>716210384
>>716210012
Get that ferret cum out of your ass

>>716219283
>harm
Why did you ignore the rest?

>>716216951
Yes. We will literally force devs to work on their games forvere, and their children and their grandchildren.
No I don't care if it bankrupts every game company.

>>716219283
>They are if they both agree to it.
so you do agree that if one party doesn't like something, it should occur?

>>716219340
I didn't. It was irrelevant to the discussion.

>>716216824
>>716216773
ECI's are a way to prevent large groups of crazy idiots from doing crimes by providing them a pretend way to lobby. It's a distraction for people like ultra-christian Karens.

Actual lobbying entails, well, actual fucking lobbying.

>>716219379
>should
shouldn't

>>716219379
Why do you think I said that?

>>716219409
It wasn't, address the rest.

>>716217140
It would probably help if you retarded kids wouldn't turn every single thing related to gaming into a harassment campaign

>>716219470
no i don't think you said anything at all, shill
i know you just copypaste this shit from the google drive folder and twist words, ignore what you don't like and misrepresent what's being said
you are a rat, a corpo rat and i'm glad you live in fucking india you eatshitter

>>716219481
Explain why it's relevant to the discussion, and I will.
Go ahead.

>>716219502
>the journos said it was an harassment campaign so it must be an harassment campaign

>>716217319
>It's easy bro just develop a whole second architecture for your game for free
The people saying millennials are the only ones that understand computers were right
iPhones were a mistake

>>716219502
>nooooo stop harrassing the poor corporations!
suck my fucking dick

>>716219561
>Anon gets upset
>makes up "facts" about me
>cries about them
:/

>>716219502
Asking video game publishers to put an expiration date harasses who?

>>716219617
keep eating shit benchod

>>716219567
It exemplifies harm that's illegal even if both parties agree.

>>716219675
>translation;
>BAAWWWWWWWWWWW
Keep crying.

>>716217134
>So i sold a cup the other day
>WTF does that mean the customer can use his cup forever? Even when i don't want him to?

>>716219663
Semites

>>716219283
>They are if they both agree to it.

>>716219689
And that is relevant to the discussion about video games...why?

>>716219729
>User buys cup*
>*with the understanding the cup will be taken away, and they agree to the conditions
Is a more accurate representation of the issue.

>>716219663
Jews, if you try to retaliate against them you're a criminal

>>716218841
They clearly labeled their games as ones that require online. We didn't buy them because of that, why you did is anyone's guess.

>>716219105
>Why do these angry kids care about these shit games
They don't.
They don't even care about "digital ownership," not really. That's just an excuse.

The sad fact is that kids these days (and I'm calling anyone under 30 a kid) are poor and powerless and isolated and frustrated and kind of stupid. They will jump at ANY chance to experience some form of solidarity and efficacy and immediately tie it to their identity as a matter of emotional survival.

Shit's grim.

>>716217178
I'd say not even playable forever just left in a state that is playable and not get in the way of the community maintaining it after end of service. I wouldn't expect them to update it for whatever comes after Windows 11 if a game were to EOS right now and the proposed laws were in effect.

>>716217195
They 100% hired investigators to dig dirt or controversies on him, found nothing, and are now trying whatever hoping there has been irregularities to grasp at

>>716219283
>They are if they both agree to it.
You can't murder someone just because they agree to it, so obviously it doesn't apply to everything

>>716209975
>It really happened, for real, trust me bro
>GUILTY

>>716219868
I didn't say it applied to everything.

>>716219796
Software is not a cup
It is not an object
It is a series of instructions, legally closest to a secret recipe
You don't own the recipe for duncan hines brownies because you bought a box mix.

>>716219796
It clarifies the prior question about harm.

>>716219105
I don't care about these shit games.
But I have enough good will to feel bad for people who got their games taken away from them for no good reason. If a game only has one player playing it, I hope that one player has fun.

>>716219156
Games are not art. Thanks for fueling my belief that all niggas who call games "art" fucking hate gaming.

>>716218748
>>716219002
You have to be replying to yourself. There's no such thing as an indefinite sub in vidya.

>>716219886
I mean that is basically how it works for burgers.

Its funnier actually knowing Ross, how frugal he lives, how resistant he's been to taking peoples money for the campaign over the years

>>716219663
>>716219616
Are you two completely retarded or just being willfully obtuse?

>>716219925
>Software is not a cup
So why did you use a cup as an example, if you know it's a bad one?

>>716219946
Explain how it's relevant to the discussion about video games anon, you haven't done it yet. Don't be scared, you got this!

>>716219963
Didn't star trek online offer lifetime subscriptions for one of their super bundles when it released?

>>716219154
If you actually ignored the problem then it would have died out completely. Instead you bought the games.
All SKG is going to result in is a large scale version of that CoD boycott image.

>>716219963
Buying a copy of The Crew was buying an indefinite subscription

>>716219970
It's funnier to me that he spent all that time posting massive promotional videos on his monetized YouTube channel without realizing that wasn't kosher.

>>716220021
Explain why you tried to answer the question if it's not relevant

how could we lose....we were doing so well....its sad to say but....its all over......

>>716219824
>just don't buy the game :)
fuck off pajeet

>>716209064
Nah
>Anonymous complaint claiming Ross was providing support and it was never disclosed
>Gave an estimated rate and said he contributed that much
>Even though free volunteer work is not subject to disclosure requirements as it's not officially considered sponsorship
>The EU initiative even asked about Ross's involvement earlier and were told it was totally fine
It's a nothingburger.

>>716220076
That's not how it works.

>>716220021
>Why did you...
Surprisingly there's more than two people ITT
Welcome to 4chan, go back.

>>716220082
Sure. After you explain how your question is relevant to the discussion about video games.
I did ask first, so it's only fair.

>>716219836
>no these people don't care about their rights
>don't sign it
>STOOOOOOP
lmao desperate

>>716220074
That's called buying a game with DRM. You didn't buy a sub.

>>716220134
>a-a-acutally it's not me...
cute.

>>716220158
>I asked first
Explain why that's relevant

>>716220126
>That's not how it works!
Apparently it is lmao
Cry some moar

>SAARS! DELETE THIS PETITION SAARS! YOUR ENTITLEMENT IS COSTING US OUR JOBS! SAAAAAARS!

>>716220216
HAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHHAHAH

>>716220168
Please find real people to form a connection with
I promise it's more fulfilling than internet witch hunting

>>716220216
Sure. After you explain how your question is relevant to the discussion about video games.

Don't be scared anon, I'm not here to attack you.

>>716220221
If it was, then why not cite the length of videos in the complaint instead of an estimation of time he contributed?

>>716219105
>friend has his money stolen
>asks to you sign a petition for cops to do their job
>"yeah but why should I care? It's not my money"

>>716220072
>If you actually ignored the problem then it would have died out completely
Yes, always online shit would die out completely if EVERYONE collectively scoffed at it. But instead I am surrounded by morons who will keep buying and shilling always-online slop while getting angry at me for complaining about it and telling me to ignore the issue.
No, fuck off. I won't. I will openly support a initiative that actually says "no" to always online garbage.

>>716220327
The government doesn't give a fuck, the guy you want to stop with your epic petition is probably donating more than you to the government to leave them alone in the first place. That's how a protection racket functions.

Why are commies like this?

>>716213387
The issue is public companies. Once you realize that every single public company is evil, you will understand how we got to this mess.

>>716220072
>If you actually ignored the problem
*If you and 8 billion other people on the planet ignored the problem, which is impossible
ftfy

>>716220286
>no stop noticing all the shills posting
lmao no, i'll keep calling every single one of you
you can keep pretending you're some "calm and collected" enlightened anon though, i still know :)

>>716220293
Because Ross spent more than just the runtime of the videos working on them and advertising for SKG
You're not very bright

>>716220451
Laws really should just be made with the assumption that anything a public company complains about, is something that should immediately be made illegal.

>>716220337
>I will openly support a initiative that actually says "no" to always online garbage
Which it doesn't. If anything it enables it now more than it did before since companies can just shove drm into a game and then sell a separate "offline" version at full price after the fact.
Maybe if you actually thought about what you were signing instead of getting angry about not being able to play some shovelware title you wouldn't have made that mistake.

>>716220221
Were it the case, then Ross would have no chance and this complaint wouldn't need to make up a bunch of shit. Monetization on his videos is not the same thing as being paid for working on the initiative

>>716220424
EU fines bring in more money than donations :^)

>>716220461
Actual schizophrenia
Also doing a great job proving the point, that you're desperate for a sense of power and efficacy and have tied this petition tightly to your ego as a method of emotional self-preservation

>>716220512
And you're not convincing anyone. I hope the shill money was worth your soul

>>716220453
>which is impossible
NTA but we already have multiple instances of it happening over the years, Concord being one of the more recent ones.

>>716210192
>>716208875 (OP)
You can lie, but you can't stop what's happening.

>>716220449
>when the tribalbrain tries to tie everything back to his glorious readers and their words of wisdom

>>716208875 (OP)
>It's afraid

>>716220512
Sure, but that's using assumptions. Him getting paid by youtube monetization and donations to him directly is a concrete number you can point to, but the complaint didn't do that.
Why? There would be nothing stopping the complaint to have two sections, one with a definitive breakdown of revenue from youtube and donations to his channel, then a speculative breakdown of additional work he did that may or may not have contributed to being a sponsor.
Hint: None of these things are actually true and not how the fucking thing works.

>>716220605
>blah blah blah

>>716220628
for every Concord there's a 100 Assassin's Creed Shadows. It's a non-argument perpetuated by corporate cumrags

>>716220605
Settle down there, Sigmund

>>716220605
>no dude i will psychoanalyze you
>i am very smart
>and not a shill, you can trust me
no :)

>>716220650
Who's volunteering exactly?

>>716220613
>You disagree with my reflexive judgement based solely in what I wish to be true?
>PSYOP SHILL GLOWIE YOU'RE GETTING PAID YOU'RE UBISOFT IN THE FLESH
You kids really need to learn some critical thinking skills

>>716220725
Whatever you say, "anon"

>>716220679
>there's a 100 Assassin's Creed Shadows
A commercial failure that's only going up because of sub services that don't result in profits? I agree.

>>716220698

>>716210595
Ross actually earns 32000 USD for the last two months according to his own donation page

>>716220725
>I AM SILLY
haha

>>716220794
stay mad shill :)
1.4mil :)

>>716216276
The source is that the thing you linked ins't even called stop killing games, you monkey.
You are never helping any cause by explaining things you do not understand. It's like a cancer cell going "I'm helping by expanding your brain with my cancer". Fucking retarded.

>>716220826
Based capitalist

Please refrain from using the word "corpo" in the near future. Thank you for your service.

>>716210543
Lel, what a fucking joke the EU is. These fuckers could "legally" shut down anything they don't like by just alleging some shady figure was funding things behind the scenes, or hell they could falseflag and do it themselves.

>>716220665
Does it hurt when you pull this kind of thing out of your ass? Do you need to dilate or lube it first or do you just raw-dog it?

>>716220675
>Says here you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded
Exactly the level of intelligence I expect from the kind of person attaching themselves to this.

>>716220927
meds

>>716220895
nah, fuck off corpo rat

>>716217195
They know that they are lying. They are doing it intentionally in the hopes of hurting you.
What Ross is doing is explicitly allowed.

>>716208875 (OP)
That's what usually happens when you bot your own initiative yes

>>716220895
But it's my favourite thing to do in the Cyperpunk TTRPG :(

>>716220947
>No argument
I accept your concession.
The complaint didn't tally the objective time the youtube videos took and instead reached for straws and assume how much time he spent on it, then worked out industry rates for that type of thing, cope.

>>716220863
Please present a formal document stating Stop Killing Games is run by CEO Ross Scott. I can present a website with an email address "AnonIsAShitskinJeetNigger@gmail.com" too.
Checkmate, cocksleeve.

>>716210543
>uncompensated volunteering
You haven't explained how he's volunteering.

>>716221008
Fuck up kike.

>>716220947
I'd like to refer you to this post >>716220675

>>716221043
>What Ross is doing is explicitly allowed.
It doesn't say it is. You tubing is his career, not a volunteer position.

>>716221110
He's acting as a marketer for the Stop Killing Games movement, and by extension the Stop Destroying Videogames Initiative. That's the work he's volunteering for.

>>716210989
I've lived in Europe for 12 years as an American. 8 years in Germany working for the occupying U.S. military forces and 4 years in Eastern Europe after I married a euro chick.

>>716221110
you haven't explained how he's employed by the initiative

>>716221176
Then why not mention the objective time and revenue from youtube/his donations instead of making up numbers and applying an assumed industry rate with no other proof?

>>716221197
So he's not volunteering at all. He's receiving direct payment as a result of his work.

>>716221197
then why isn't Asmongold, Gamer Nexus, Louis Rossman and OrdinaryGamer named in the document? They're doing exactly the same thing in the same capacity. Sounds stinky nigger jeet

>>716220826
>32k from donos alone
Imagine how much hes getting from the kurwa rickshaw business. The man will be eating freshwater salmon out of a can in no time.

>>716221251
> He's receiving direct payment as a result of his work.
and you have a source to back that claim up?

>>716213629
>>716213710

>>716220539
>please ignore the issue! It will totally make everything worse!
Did me "voting with my wallet" prevent Blizzard from repeating the same shit that happened with Diablo 3's launch all these years later with diablo 4? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>>716221176
He is not youtubing, he is volunteering. The smear job of a complaint did not even mention his youtube activities.

>>716221309
that's spelled "wrzeszczy", can't believe you got this simple word wrong anon

>>716221306
Are you trying to say his videos aren't monetise?
You know we're talking about someone doing youtubing as a living, right?

>>716221309
>Polish
>Hungarian
>Albanian

>>716221327
Anon, if he's using his own personal page and monetising the videos then that isn't volunteering.

>>716213982
>Gendered nouns
>Difficult
Do ameripidors really?

>>716221327
looks to me that he's youtubing at least a little bit

>>716221393
anon please back your claim up
provide receipts

>>716221483
Have you seen the literacy rate in the US?

>>716221393
The complaint wasn't about his videos, his videos being monetized is no issue. Your double wrong.

>>716221457
Why would "not volunteering" for an initiative be a problem? You're also not volunteering.

>>716221564
It's why this thread is so aggrivating.
Americans have literally no reading comprehension. It's why contracts baffle them so much.
READ NIGGA READ

>>716221564
>Have you seen the literacy rate in the US?
Don't think anyone in the US have seen it either to be honest.

>>716221393
>youtubing as a living
>as
lmao pajeet

>>716221512
>starts off the video with his eyes nearly rolling out
Every time

>>716220514
I had an idea that no public company should be allowed to own land, IP, trademark and other natural monopolies. They should be at the hands of a singular person and the company can decide who that person is. This would destroy the ever-expanding borg nature of public companies.

>>716221615
See >>716221043
If he's not volunteering then it's a problem.

>>716221573
>Your

>>716221756
If that's the case it would be a problem for you aswell.

>>716221264
Because their contributions were too short to obviously pass the 500 dollar threshhold and they only need one person to be in violation to file the complaint

I do think the complaint is wrong but you're grasping at staws

>>716213629
And that's a good thing.

>>716221564
Must be worse than ours then, since i see churkas be more gramatically correct and wrute better than many of my native peers and elders way too often.

>>716221752
That would change absolutely nothing unless you're suggesting that they should have their property taken from them eventually which would harm normal people more.

>>716221873
42% of Americans are illiterate.

>>716221873
I didn't know the Tartars had access to the Internet.

>>716221803
And how exactly would it be a problem for me?
I'm not being paid nor am I supporting the initiative.

That said, the paid marketers they have for skg will affect things too.

>>716221967
You're not volunteering, and you said that not volunteering is a problem. Pretty easy to follow.

>>716221483
>Gee, should a washing machine be masculine because it's mechanical or feminine because it washes clothes
Gendered languages are retarded. It's just a device.

>>716208875 (OP)
>Mold Man couldn't even bother to apply for citizenship and learn the Polish language because he was too busy playing videogames
lmao of fucking course. This is why gamers are impotent as shit.

>>716222109
The "Machine" makes it feminine
Slavs are destuned to make fuckable toasters, trust the plan.

>>716221804
>Because their contributions were too short to obviously pass the 500 dollar threshhold
LMAO do you even realize how much a 10minute Asmongold video costs? You dumb. Fucking. Nigger

>Video costs
>Monetization
You fucking retards
If it brings him money its his own income. It does not make you a sponsor.

>>716209616
>anonymous source
Ah so its bullshit

>>716211090
Lol...lmao even. They are shooting sponge bullets at the head of customers for shits and giggles and you interpret that as them being afraid. Ross took the bait and made a response video to the bait and now they have him on video as well. This will continue until the officials will take a stance on it. The finale will be people who take this seriously because its their livelyhood vs the people who are already sleeping on their laurels because its "logic" and "they scared the opposition". I know people will scream shill at me but i feel like we will lose and not because of the companies but because this side of the argument is not prepared enough to do anything. Its so frustrating because its so close to actually being a feasible thing...And i know the people responsible for losing the retards screaming about how easily winnable this argument will be will blame the jews or the companies for paying but NO its actually because they didn't try enough.

>grasping at straws.txt
>thinking that ross is a member and not an outside supporter of the SKG initiative.
>sending a letter in bad faith that also instantly reveals that the sender is a incompetent lawschool mongoloid reject that doesnt know shit about the EU law.
>regurgitating Pirate Poopgnomes talking points that misconstrued what the SKG initiative is about.

Nice to know that the enemies of the Stop Killing Games movement are a gangle of ridiculous clowns, soulless shills, and ferret-raping bandits.

>>716222109
>neutral language: So... i'm non binary.
>gendered language: Twoja mama jest dziwką.

>>716222885
don't forget just straight up paid shitskin jeets.

>Letter:''we have evidence that Ross is a clandestine rickshaw operator this is our argument to disqualify the SKG initiative.''
Clowns, utter ridiculous assclowns, they got bit by a wereclown took the full dosis of the funny juice, and now they are ridiculous fools forever honking at the full moon.

>just don't buy the game
Just don't sign the petition

>>716209616
So if an American "volunteers" by spreading the word of a movement, then the EU can just shut it down because spreading the word is "advertising", and advertising counts as labor?
That seems like an excuse.

>>716223351
Someone post the meme of Ross pulling a rickshaw around.

>>716222885
>ferret-raping bandits
Oddly specific, but okay.

>>716222885
>Are all these paid professionals incompetent or is my totally uneducated ass wrong about something?
>Must be the former
Repeat ad infinitum