Why did this happen? Why did everyone turn their backs on legendary franchises like Final Fantasy in favor of this new garbage?

I've never seen someone under the age of 30 play Final Fantasy, but I constantly see people under 20 pick up Clair Obscur. Why is this? Why don't they play the established legendary games?

Boomers need to accept that Final Fantasy just doesn't have the pull it might have had 30 years ago.

It's good that new GOOD games like E33 carry the torch.

i'm so sick of these shitty bait threads
FF faggots are so fucking mentally ill

https://youtu.be/lFRjrLmc_4c?si=vMQTCO7sdk2lWNkj

>>716214779
Cope

>>716214468 (OP)
Because brand legacy doesn't actually matter. You are only as good as your last game.
Doesn't matter if you used to make amazing games back i the day.

>>716214779
It's anti ff fags

>>716214468 (OP)
FF7 didn't need an entire remake. The materia was the only fun part of the game. I don't have any confidence they didn't ruin it or try to improve on it. They never do. Games come out with these unique systems and then they're thrown away the next installment for something worse or graphical fidelity. They could have just fixed the original game and it would probably actually sell cus that's what people want. The old made better not old made new. Fuck you I shouldn't have to run it on an emulator still with all its glitchiness.

>>716214468 (OP)
Same reason indies and Fortnite are more popular than many Nintendo games

>>716214468 (OP)
>Why don't they play the established legendary games?
Now take a screenshot of the original FF7 ratings, you know, the established legendary game.
Only thing the remake established is that it's legendarily shit

>>716214468 (OP)
Idk but rebirth was a dramatically better game than e33

>>716214468 (OP)
Because the average person is a mindless golem influenced entirely by memes and influencers

>>716214468 (OP)
Remake arrived 15 years too late
Also 3 games, nobody wants to wait that much

>>716215962
The remakes are more fun than the original game because of the combat

>>716216152
But is it pretty? 12 had beautiful combat. Yes this matters. We had like a decade of brown bullshit.

>>716214468 (OP)
Square Enix is being helmed by elderly gambling addicts.
The kind of confused retirement home escapees that are catered to by Pachinko or other sensory overload gambling machines.
So they spend far too much money on awful longshots that don't pay off, like NFTs or Flopspoken.
>>716215461
Also this. Trademark should just be mercy killed at this point, because it does nothing to keep a brand from just pushing all of its production to some third-rate chinkshit factory.

>>716214468 (OP)
When you make a movie game, you should take the story into consideration.

>>716216025
How?

>>716214468 (OP)
>One is original, the other a remake
>One is a whole game, the other a part of 3 (or more remakes) to get the full story
>One was PS exclusive
>One is from a saga that has been losing steam since 2013, the other is the beginning of a new saga from a new studio
>One costs more than 70€, the other 45€ (if you buy all the remake's plus dlcs it costs more than 120€

Oh gee, what could be the reason?

>>716218157
cope

>>716214468 (OP)
Jrpgs are not good and Japanese people can’t write for shit

>>716218614
You millennials are really dumb kek

>>716214468 (OP)
>buying 2/3rds of a shitty remake
I'd rather just replay the original which is complete

>>716214468 (OP)
Rebirth is part 2, not the full game, who wants to wait a decade

>>716214468 (OP)
FF7 was released like 28 years ago people already finished it long ago no reason to play it. E33 is new so people are playing it now

>>716219023
>>716218998
Pretty much. It would be different if it was a new ff with a new story and turn based, multiplatform day one.

>>716218998
>who wants to wait a decade
It's been that long already lol, FF7 Remake announcement was in 2015. I was in highschool with another year left to finish. I'm now 27.

>>716214730
Expedition 33 is kinda shit tho. Not enough fan service. The story is kind of boring and predictable. The ending is a bit generic. The setting is kind of boring and the magic in the setting is badly explained. There's no real main character to latch to between verso and lune it's hard to see either as the lead and the underage girl verso wants to fuck is kind of worthless as a character.

its pretty in the way a tech demo looks pretty. good looking visuals but the art direction doesnt come together well.

their attempt to make the turn based game more interest is actually just what legend of dragoon did decades ago and that failed to bring people in.

i submit that expedition 33 has done as well as it has because

people are just that desperate
and despite its problems 33 is at least competent overall
which is a low bar
and more indicative of how bad everything else around it is

>>716219232
Yep. They missed their windows which was 2015 (as a full game). Millennials would be young and zoomers would be impressionable kids
That windows is gone now

>>716214468 (OP)
Expedition 33 doesn't require you to play a previous game, most people these days can't play long jrpgs anymore, exp 33 is short and PC first day so people won't get spoiled waiting for a pc version
I feel like you already know this, but you want people to complain

the new games they started slapping the name "final fantasy" on weren't made for their older audiences and the new audiences have better alternatives

>>716219270
Absolutely. If they kept true to their message and really did put out a full FF7 remake back then it would've been incredible. Now? I couldn't care less if they stealth released the full game tomorrow. Never should've let Nomura in the writers room.

>>716218157
>One costs more than 70€, the other 45€ (if you buy all the remake's plus dlcs it costs more than 120€
I think that it will go up to 300€
>DLC
For what, cosmetics?

>>716214468 (OP)
Why do you do this with FF and not every other jrpg franchise in existence?
>because only FF matters
You are goddamn right. Now sit down, metaflop.

>>716219341
FFVII is a whole game to be fair
and remake works in a bubble
its really only rebirth that suffers from what youre talking about
and i agree
but I do wonder if rebirth and whatever the third one had been shipped as add ons to remake if things wouldnt have gone different

because i rember remake doing well enough?
not OG VII well
no FF beats OG VII in sales
but well

>>716219387
THey should have done the same they did with Crisis core.

I didn't turn my back on FF, it turned its back on me when it became some cringey kingdom hearts abomination for faggots. Say what you want about e33, but unlike ff7r when the characters speak it doesn't make me want to put a gun in my mouth

>>716216096
>>716216096
>>716216096
This

How does /v/ not yet understand that the mainstream are all sheeple NPCs?

>>716214468 (OP)

>>716214468 (OP)
Final Fantasy was popular because every new entry in the series pushed the graphical threshold of that generation while the gameplay at the very least hit the bare minimum standard to be good.

This shit no longer flies, which is why Final Fantasy is dying as a series. Graphics/art-style now need to have the right aesthetic and gameplay must be great at bare minimum while consistently getting better throughout the campaign. However, the biggest point is that presentation is EVERYTHING now, if your presentation sucks, your game is a week away from being dead. If your game doesn't have charm, it's generic, generic means it's forgettable and it will kill your game. Old games are carried by nostalgia and its audiences will eventually die off, every new series has to prove itself with the above.

>>716219701
Not really, expedition 33 great presentation is why it topped a lot of chibi/pixelated jrpgs

>>716219391
This will always make me kek, how come they don't compare new jrpgs with DQ11, metaphor or P5?

>>716219391
Because ff used to have a lot of haters precisely because it was good. Right now FF is on the ground so haters will take every chance they can until it backs up again (if that ever happens) and suddenly haters will try to shill their games alongside FF again
That, it mods don't send the threads to /vg/ during the first week

>in favor of
the deluge of goyslop across the gayming spectrum has made me turn my back on it. I don't play FF goyslop and I don't play indie UE5 goyslop, either.

>>716219701
Many jrpgs are dying now

>>716214468 (OP)
Do I have to play the previous 67 expeditions to understand the story of 33?

>>716214468 (OP)
Just because we can turn every turn based game into an action game doesn't mean we should

>>716214468 (OP)
Remake is as gay as aids that's why. Only ff 6-10 are worth playing anyways.

>>716220530
12 mogs 10 so hard it's not even funny

>>716219352
>stay prayed up
Are they trying to make their religion cringeworthy?

>SE makes a bunch of non FF jrpgs
>Nobody cares
>E33 comes out
>Why doesn't SE make jrpgs?
Please tell me this is all just bots and paid shills. E33 fans aren't really this fucking retarded, right?

>>716220348
Because the quality of the gameplay of AAA JRPG that Japan spews out are no longer good enough and they were always slow on the uptake. It's good for low budget niche games, but not on the standard of the mainstream scene. Expedition 33 hit the standard that all JRPGs now have to at bare minimum hit.

>>716214468 (OP)
SE management is fucking insane. They need to become extinct. Who wanted the FFVII remake to be split into multiple parts that would take over a decade to finish? Wo wanted such a departure in gameplay? Who wanted a completely different story?
And then on the other side of the SE spectrum is FFT which removes features from the game because reasons.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. ARE. THEY. DOING?

>>716220770
SE management are completely retarded, I don't mean this as a jokingly either. They have FF14 to keep them afloat and they don't give it any budget to fix issues, as a result it's decaying fast and Dawntrail has become the breaking point where the game might start seriously losing a lot of players next expansion if nothing changes. Some SE top brass at one point thought NFTs were going to be worth a damn and wanted games to incorporate them. Then there's the Forespoken fiasco, that game should have gotten the axe much earlier in development.

Basically, the SE management doesn't know shit about actual management and don't know how to allocate their budget properly. I'm not going to be surprised if that's going to bankrupt them as a result in the coming years.

>>716220640
It's jrpgfags being autistic

>>716220581
10 isnt even "good" its just the last playable game since 11 was an mmo. 12 was the game that cemented the fact that FF was done.

>>716221256
I still remember when they sold fucking tomb raider ip for a few bucks kek
New CEO must be seething

>>716219387
And it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>716220640
>SE throws out a ton of slop to see what sticks to the wall
>never listen to fans and always chase trends and gimmicks
>keeps pushing this kingdom hearts combat nonsense instead of staying turnbased
Its no surprise really. E33 feels more like a classic ff game than anything SE has done since Bravely Default.

>>716221256
Typical Japanese (neo-Confucianism) society. What exactly happened in FFXIV this latest expansion? Something about the focus on one NPC? Surely that can't be enough to kill an expansion.

>>716214468 (OP)
Square Enix dislike their fanbase because they are older and so closer to death, and want to appeal to younger gamrers, they have said this over and over again, they continually say thye want a younger audience. The french guys didn't care, they laser focused and wanted to appeal to the older franchise Square Enix don't care about and so they won.

>>716221575
Japanese boomers just keep falling for (((consulting))) companies. Even namco cancelled a few japanese games to make that pajeeta woman game, and Capcom keeps uglifying characters

>>716214468 (OP)
gamers don't treat their own medium like enthusiasts of other entertainment do. a massive film autist will enthusiastically watch ingmar bergman works, a person passionate about reading will read classics from the canon of literature. meanwhile gamers actively hate the idea of playing anything that exists outside of the current zeitgeist. it would take a person smarter than me to explain why that's the case but it's what I've generally observed.

>>716221530
Bravely default is forced basic shit, expedition 33 feels more like the most popular FF games

The fantasy is over.

>>716221575
I think the key to E33s success was they didn't "make it for old people" or "make it for young people" they just made the game they wanted to, inspired by the games they liked, and because it's good it's now being enjoyed by both young and older audiences.

SE claimed Rebirth was "the perfect starting place for new players" even though that's such obvious bullshit, but their desperation to get the tween audience is pathetic. They shouldn't make games for tweens, or for bitter old fucks who want nothing new. The lesson from E33s success is not "we need turn based again" it's that they need to stop trying to court an imaginary demographic.

Also, the reason their work used to appeal to young people is their games were made BY young people. Look at the ages of the guys working on VI and VII. Now these ancient old fucks are still there but trying to appeal to 13 year olds and they don't understand why it's not working anymore. Where's the new blood?

>>716214730
>japstyle menu masturbation combat
It all needs to die, and it should have died fucking 20 years ago. It's so outdated, so boring and dumb, not to mention the sheer grind involved in those games

i played both :) both good games

>>716222074
Clair Obscur fixed it you dumbass. Dodging and parrying are great.

>>716222136
They didn't, they just put a little piece of cloth, in form of a mini game on top of the cancer

>>716218614
The whole thread is about a FFfag coping and desperately trying to find an explanation as to why his polished turd doesn't sell just because of its name.

>>716222136
E33 combat is more action packed than 7R. It actually tests your timing and skill as well as your planning for setting up future moves.

7Rfags who harp on about the FIRE "greatest combat of all time" in those games don't want you to point out the fact that you are mashing the same button 10000 times as fast as possible in every fight with zero thought about it while sparks fly everywhere to make you feel like you're doing something cool.

>>716222136
I can't get into RPGs these days but having QTEs as part of the combat pushes me further away from these kind of games. I understand some people like it but I think the novelty carries it more than anything.

>>716221504
I like all those things specifically because they give us more time with the characters.
I like to think this proves you wrong, somehow.

>>716222232
it's not even a full polished turd, just 1/3 remake of a turd

>>716214468 (OP)
FF7 Remake was the surefire "break glass in case of emergency" company saver, but we didn't get that. We got Final Fantasy: Crisis Advent Rising and it wasn't satisfying for new or old fans because they got 1/3 of a game.

>>716221570
That NPC (Wuk Lamat) is the worst written central character of an expansion that the game has had to date, she's a) a boring character and b) had WAAAY too much focus with more dialogue lines than all other characters combined this expansion (check image, it's ridiculous). What's funny is that the dev team did this intentionally because they wanted to emulate FF11's story structure for the expansion (central character acts as a main character for an expansion) and they chose Wuk Lamat of all characters to do this with.

However, the main problems with Dawntrail isn't Wuk Lamat, she's just the straw that broke the camel's back. The problem is that the game is stagnant, changes aren't being done quick enough because the budget is too small for the dev team. Which just seems like a fucking ridiculous reason to me, the existing team is already getting paid to develop for the game, are they just not capable of making sweeping changes without more people or more money? It's just excuses to me, they are fucking retarded is the actual reason.

>>716221942
Youre just mad that I didnt like ff12. Settle down.

>>716214468 (OP)
>lusting after a big titty asian woman means you're a pedo

>lusting after a short flat "white" woman with oversized head means you're based

They should have made Tifa's titties smaller and made her less Asian. Make her look more like modern day Jeniffer Connelly.

>>716222074
>wheres my bing bing wahoo?!?!
In another genre. You dont like jrpgs so just play something else.

>>716214468 (OP)
Because as much as I love FF, rebirth is not as good as most people claim it is. I didn't have fun playing most of the mini games and the sidequests are Ubisoft tier all over the places. People got saturated of completing checklist and doing the same sidequests over and over again everytime you reach a new area and Clair Obscur is the almost the complete opposite of that. I would say E33 is more like FFVI, where you have sidequests but they are not going from point A to point B, connecting towers (this one is spiderman level of sidequest, wtf), Fighting simulator (fighting against summons on a bland room instead of a sidequest where you find them in the world like FF5 would be MUCH BETTER), etc...

>>716222807
What the fuck are you schizoing about?

>>716214468 (OP)
Final Fantasy hasn't been good in 20 years.
Clair Obscur is better than any FF game that isn't X, and that's because it's a rip off of X in a lotof ways.

>>716222136
>>716222369
Exp33 is balanced around dodging or parrying
It basically ruines the entire game by making it risk free and it towers over any rpg mechanic
Meanwhile rebirth actually takes in account its rpg mechanics, making it more turn based

>>716222651
I only played ARR and none of the characters were inspiring so how can Wuk Lamat be so much worse? If people like ARR characters surely they'll be fine with anything.
>The problem is that the game is stagnant, changes aren't being done quick enough
What kind of changes are people after? Are they actually reasonable changes? The only issue I would be aware of is the hosing situation. Not sure that's still a thing but it sounded annoying to deal with.

>>716214468 (OP)
Agreed. You’re going off of the review numbers, I’m guessing. What people don’t realize is that, yes, supposedly it did come out on PS5 first. A PC launch will always sell less because most people have already played it. However, the PS5 had no games. That’s right: Rebirth’s PC release is the FIRST time this game has ever been released, because a video game has never appeared on the PS5. Therefore, it is a fair comparison.

>>716222651
I don't understand why people were expecting anything out of Dawntrail and Wuk coming out of EW's patches.
The mere fact that it took only 3 patches for Zero to out-line Emet should've told you everything you need to know about how terrible the writer was at not shoving his newest character in everyone's face.

why the fuck are people talking about wuk lamat
you people are mentally ill

>>716214468 (OP)
>Why did this happen
Sqareshit being retarded in thinking that their fanbase consists purely of people like the chingar changer nigger Maxshillian Dood.

>>716223108
This is just another “muh turn based ff” hate thread, so you just need to spam any complain or insecurity you have related to ff

>>716223245
The Wuk Lamat haters are more annoying than she was. The whole expansion sucked and all the content is ass.
One character is not the issue.

>>716214468 (OP)
they just did what others tell them to and the few that didnt couldnt deal with the combat because it was too complicated for them.
Rebirth is the best game i have played in decades.

>>716214468 (OP)
it's mostly down to the one on the bottom having a better written story and more epic battle sequences and better music overall too and also only costing 50 bucks and not requiring you to buy 3 games just to complete 1 JRPG story

>>716220640
People want JRPGs with "good" graphics. Not pixel shit or PS1-looking games.

>>716222947
The storytelling massively improved after ARR, Heavensward (1st expansion) and Shadowbringers (3rd expansion) have the best writing in the game. Stormblood (2nd) is worse and people call it shit because it wasn't as good as Heavensward, but it's not as bad as ARR. Endwalker (4th) is average compared to Shadowbringers, but it serves well enough as an arc finale (patch updates have worse main story however).

Now imagine that the story structure from Stormblood onward and the battle progression structure from Shadowbringers onward has remained completely the same to now with Dawntrail, an expansion that's AFTER the finale expansion of an arc. Not only is it the same in DT, but the story is the worst it has ever been and the battle progression structure is serviceable, but the fact that nothing has changed about it is what's horrible and what people are criticizing. They improved the difficulty of the expansion making it better than the cakewalk of Endwalker, but the questing, daily quests, the jobs/classes rotation (Healers still have basically a 1 button rotation) and mechanics, etc, are stagnant. The existing players just want faster changes to issues that the game has, especially now with Dawntrail, the supposed start of a new arc expansion, and SE is too fucking slow to do sweeping changes.

>>716223073
Daichi Hiroi and whoever wrote the main scenario patch updates (which is still probably Daichi) for Endwalker should be fired. That fucking retard is always the reason for anything that's badly written in the game.

>>716214468 (OP)
See >>716223498
Also better music, dialogue, more interesting setting, etc.

>>716223498
Nothing of this is true

>>716214468 (OP)
Cause Final Fantasy isn't a JRPG anymore. It's an action adventure game. The MMO is more like old FF than Rebirth, and that's mostly off the strength of FFXII and FFXI.

Also, and this is anecdotal, I was excited to get into Final Fantasy VII for the first time until they said their remake was gonna be a trilogy spread out across like 15 years. Fucking Stranger Things ass dev cycle. Just ping me again when I can play all of them Remastered on the PS6. I'm not buying Rebirth for PS4, Rebirth Remastered & Rebirth 2 for PS5, AND THEN the Rebirth trilogy collection for PS6. Suck my whole dick. I could make and raise a whole human from scratch in the amount of time they're spending making this trilogy and padding it with filler. lol

>>716225501
>nothing of this
Brown.

i have 0 interest in the remix however the og ff7 is an objective 8.5/10 and a personal 9/10

im a girl btw ;-)

>>716219498
>ff7r when the characters speak it doesn't make me want to put a gun in my mouth
This is one reason I really don't like the ff7 remake games. Why the fuck does everyone sound like they have downs? WHY can't they speak like normal people for fucks sake

>>716214468 (OP)
Who jumps into a trilogy playing the 2nd part first?

>>716226149
Yeah maybe they need more chungus marvel dialogue

>>716226382
>chungus marvel dialogue
Did you seriously not notice how bad the flow of conversations was in the ff7 remake games? lmao

>>716226497
I dont know what you mean. Sounded better than 99% of japanese voice acting.

>>716222946
Holy COPE
Getting a game over in Remake is almost impossible. If you fight badly the battles take a lose time but you never lose.
But with E33 you will have your fair share of game overs. It's actually difficult to master the system and you have to pick and choose when to risk parries.
Dodging and parrying RUINS the entire game? You are such a delusional 7R fanboy its unreal.

FF gameplay peaked with FFX-2 but they refused to iterate on that by making a non sequel game that played similarly.
Every crack at ATB since then treated it as a hindrance that should be automated rather than rewarding players for interacting with it, and FF mainline became obsessed with replicating Kingdom Hearts or breaking away from it while also trendchasing, so naturally the same devs that left atb for dead only "revived" it as a tumorous corpse Frankensteined together with kingdom hearts style combat, giving us the travesty that is FFVIIR

>>716220348
Don't say stupid shit like that. Things come and go, ebb and flow. People said that shit about CRPGs and then they came back with a huge wave that culminated in BG3.

>>716226896
The same can happen with FF then

>>716214468 (OP)
>Why did everyone turn their backs on legendary franchises like Final Fantasy
Consider that SE turned their backs on Final Fantasy's fans when they decided to move away from traditional gameplay.

>>716222074
Consider that the most successful media franchise in the world is rooted from a series of simplistic turn based RPGs.

>>716226773
I saw a lot of people complaining about some bosses.
Having game overs or not doesnt affect the fun factor. Things are much simple: dodge and parry needed to require AP so the game is about the rpg mechanics and not unbalanced dodge/parry
Its crazy how the game breaks halfway through. It needed AP cost for the dodge and parry and limit the lumina amount per character

>>716227068
>the most successful media franchise
Minecraft? GTA?

>>716214730
Fpbp, last good FF was FF9

>>716227164
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises
It's still Pokemon. The fact that second place is a much, much older franchise and still only made 60% of the money is telling.

>>716227068
Ultimately this.

>>716214468 (OP)
When they took a 4h game and tried to swll it in several pieces while also retconning all of the important story elements.
>an adventure where absolutely nothing goes wrong and nothing interesting happens
Then whats the point? Oh right, money.

>>716220640
Turnbased JRPGs either need good amime style graphics or good realistic graphics, pixel shit doesnt fly anymore.

Everything I've seen and heard about Exp 33 makes it sound like babies first JRPG in the most embarrassing way possible.
The "woah dude you have to press buttons during turn based combat" is shit even fucking Nintendo did over 30 years ago. None of these concepts are new and exciting.
And every piece of gameplay footage I saw of the characters running around were of poor, awkward, obvious unreal engine animations in a world of floating shit that looked worse than something like McGee's Alice which did that gimmick 25 years ago and did it better.

I seriously think this game appeals purely to the modern zoomer or equally as inexperienced gamer retards who actually play the shit that gets awards at the game awards and probably still watches coverage from sites like IGN or whatever. You're all low wisdom having losers cumming in your pants over anything even remotely outside of the status quo even if it's just one step to the side.
I truly hate seeing discussion about this game.

>>716227495
Its a great game, your loss

>>716227495
Exp33 is just suffering the same fate as metaphor: its literally just being used as a tool against SE for not making turn based FF games. That will be its legacy.

>>716227289
Now break it down into what actually made money. Willing to bet 60-80% of it is just plushies

>>716227582
Exp33 is good, metaphor though really needed to be used against SE shit to be relevant, outside of that people forgot fast

>>716227495
How about you play it and see for yourself instead of listening to retards online? The game doesn't have DRM so just go pirate it

I got near the end of E33 (Ch.3 I think, after Maelle awakens), and I couldn't subject myself to any more. I just wasn't enjoying it, and Esquie refusing to shut the fuck up when I swam or flew tipped me over the edge. I just didn't give a fuck about the characters, the world or the story. The writing was awful, and the game took way too long to 'explain' things, forcing me to endure 50 hours of dipshits like Verso and Esquie acting coy, and dumb cunts like Lune and Ciel (who are the most nothing characters I've ever witnessed) just going along and never demanding explanations. The whole thing was aggravating, and by the time the family shit came around, I couldn't care less about some upper class French faggot family drama.

>>716222136
No, it sucks shit. It's built around trial and error, having to die constantly before learning the pattern of the obnoxious Souls-like attacks.
>inb4 get gud fag
I beat most of the super bosses with parrying, but the whole experience was miserable. Fucking Paper Mario, M&L and Dragoon got it right 25 years ago.

>>716214468 (OP)
FFXVI is amazingly boring and the Remake series only panders to compilationfags and shipper troons.
E33 is a completely new IP that gave older FF fans and people new to the genre an amazing game taking the best of the older aspects of turnbased games.

>>716219352
bless ye, my brothers in christ
amen

>>716227582
>against SE for not making turn based FF games
>DQ3HD
>DQ1/2hd with new content
>Octopath traveler 1
>Octopath traveler 2
>Mario rpg remaster
>Fantasian plus sequel port
>Romancing SaGa 2 Remake
>Saga Frontier 2 remaster with new content
>New SaGa game
>Romancing SaGa 3 development
>Unlimited saga reboot (Rumoured)
>Bravely default, now with a new remaster
Holy kek
>In before remakes remasters
Sure if you bring Atlus they are going to spent years remaking p3, now p4, and p6 in a few years

BarryBUMPAN

>>716227763
FF became big thanks to shipping though

>>716227582
Nah, both are simply better games than the newer FF games. The relevance or lack thereof for the newer FF entries comes from the fact that each new entry reaches less and less players. And that ultimately is Squeenix own fault.

>>716214468 (OP)
>everyone turn their backs on legendary franchises like Final Fantasy
20 years of continual shit games have a tendency to do that.

>>716222074
the action game genre would be way more popular if niggers like you actually hated "japstyle menu masturbation combat"

Bump

>>716227974
Rebirth is better than both.

>>716227635
Yes, I'm well aware that the likes of GTA and Minecraft have sold more game copies. But you can't deny the success Pokemon has had and the mainline titles sell 10m+ copies pretty consistently.

The point is that classic style RPGs are still perfectly viable in the market. It's okay if you don't like it, nothing is for everyone. Final Fantasy however has done nothing but shrink in relevance ever since abandoning its roots. The sad thing is FFVIIR was the perfect opportunity for SE to test the waters with a classic style release in the mainstream, and they were so adamantly against it they changed the game beyond recognition and split it into separate parts whose cutoff points make almost no sense in terms of pacing.

>>716227954
FF got big back in the 90s to early 20s because they had good stories and really good graphics compared to everything else at the time

>>716227881
When will Octopath 3 or a new Bravely game release then?

>>716214468 (OP)
Maybe because one has a 10/10 story and another has your average tranime incel plot.

>>716214468 (OP)
Yup, this kino thread deserves my bump as well, nice jop OP

>>716227954
Sure, but theres a lot less of them left who care about Aerith vs Tifa. And the zeitgeist of the plot isnt interesting for newer players. Besides that I just dont think an open world FF game works. It worked for Zelda but that was always an action RPG which tested that concept starting with OoT.
On the other hand, E33's overworld map was a lot simpler and more fun to traverse.

>>716214468 (OP)
You are wrong

>>716214468 (OP)
Yup, sips Bangs, that's a kino thread. Take a Bump good sir.

>>716214468 (OP)
>take a turn-based franchise
>make all the games non-TB
>even remove TB from the remakes
>act surprised that people stop buying the games in favour of other TB games instead
FF deserves to fail

>>716228043
Rebirth is a good game but the other two just click with me more. Ultimately a difference in genre taste, I suppose.

>>716214468 (OP)
This is the hundredth "shitting on FFniggers with CHADspedition 33" and it's still not old

>>716228101
>Bravely
Pls no, SE would find a way to ruin it

>>716228248
>Rebirth is a good game
HOLLY KEK

Post more you feckless niggers, this should be the fastest thread on the catalogue

>>716227495
Based secondary

>>716228073
Insane that Pokemon still sells so much despite the newer games being absolute slop

>>716227495
>None of these concepts are new and exciting.
They are to some players.

>>716214468 (OP)
>Tfw expedition 33 threads will be about FF loving rent free
Haha...

>>716228596
In the end, FF is still irreplaceable.

>>716228169
That just proves his point tho

>>716214468 (OP)
E33 > FF7 Rebirth > Metatranny Redilation
Simple as

>>716214468 (OP)
sad but true

>>716214468 (OP)
E33 is a great turn based (J)RPG
FFVII R is an unfinished "remake" that shits on many parts of what made the original great
death to Square Enix
long live Squaresoft

Final Fantasy is bad.
Glad I could help; let me know if you have any other headscratchers.

FF13 was too shitty and still got two sequels, blowing the original fans apart. Next single player FF was named like a spinoff of FF13 and then went through development hell until getting renumbered. Numbered MMOs have to be brought up, all these people unfamiliar with FF see their friend list friends just playing the same FF for thousands of hours for years. The proof is in Elder Scrolls Online causing zero confusion against the mainline single player series.
I have two friends that never played FF but played and liked E33. I'm 35 and they're close to my age, they should be PS1 era FF dudes but just missed out on it, imagine how much worse it is for even younger people. The average age being 41 doesn't surprise me and a lot of people my age and older, 35+, just turn on their console or computer to play multiplayer shit with their friends because the socialization seems like time better spent between a job, marriage, and kids than playing a 40+ hour JRPG like they did as kids.

>>716214468 (OP)
>Why is this? Why don't they play the established legendary games?
Are your that EOfag constantly asking questions in bad faith in sf6 threads only to shit your pants when sf6 sold better?

>>716214468 (OP)
>why would people play REMAKE over NEW GAME?
baffling mystery

>>716228979
That's what tendies do all the time yeah

Sandfall should by SE when they go bankrupt

>>716227495
>Everything I've seen and heard about Exp 33 makes it sound like babies first JRPG
An FF7 fan wrote this, lmao

>>716223108
because it's more interesting than talking about e33

>>716228557
>None of these concepts are new and exciting.
>They are to some players.

>it sound like babies first JRPG

>>716227881
turdbasers don't count those because they're not mainline FF

>>716214468 (OP)
Cute false flag

>>716228710
I think the one closest too was P5 but it's too different to be compared.
Surprised nobody remembers dragon quest 11 anymore though, but I wonder if the interest around expedition will die like with metaphor (controversy latching is just poor advertising)
I also think smtv is too underrated

In the end only a good FF can replace FF I guess?

Because one is a ps5 exclusive. The fomo is gone once FF7/FF16 landed on PC. When E33 released, EVERYONE was talking about it. It also helped that you can play the game for pennies on Gamepass as well.

And maybe discord status to show that they're playing new shiny game idk.

>>716214468 (OP)
>play FF4 because it's supposed to be so fucking good
>burn down some village and kill people because I'm le evil
>meet some girl who understandably hates me since I killed her parents
>5 seconds later she already wants to suck my dick
>literally teleports forward in time to save the MC at the end
this is why nobody plays this jap shit anymore man

>>716214468 (OP)
No anime cringe, plus parry based turned based combat. It's that simple.

>>716214468 (OP)
I've beaten expedition 33, and i'm currently playing FF7 Remake for the first time. (haven't played OG ff7)
E33 is by far much better

>>716221504
evidently true

>>716221504
Yeah and?

>>716229703
>No anime cringe
E33 is always compared to japslop because it immediately looks like shit compared to westslop

>plus parry based turned based combat
ppl who only play westslop wouldn't give a shit about that

>>716229073
Nah, Id just rather the studios making stuff like Saga 2 go indie.

>>716228737
Why do FF fags constantly deflect to other games? Metaphor is an anime style turnbased game, it and FF7R are completely different. It however makes sense to compare FF7R and E33 since both are graphically realistic RPGs.

>>716216919
Are you saying Rebirths story is bad by default or because of the plot changes?

>>716228773
Glad to see Final Fantasy doing so well with the geriatrics crowd

>>716228535
The quality of the games has declined significantly, it's undeniable. But the formula remains fun. The last Pokemon game I played were Sword and Shield when they leaked. It was a bitter-sweet experience, very poorly made game but it was still Pokemon. The core experience remains appealing and for too many that's all they need.

>>716231304
NTA, but it is bad in general. It has a very japanese style that is overwritten. Lots and lots of talking that says nothing.

>>716216025
Absolutely not, theres a reason why E33 is rated much higher by critics and players alike

>>716228535
Pokemon has mass normalfag appeal, it exists in its own lane

>>716231405
Tbf by slop I mean not that the core gameplay isnt fun but the fact that it was very obvious that it was in development for a like a year.

>>716231698
Don't worry, I agree with you. I'm just stating why the slop is still selling.

>>716231568
Dont they have the exact same aggregate score?

This supposed beef between E33 and FF seems somewhat forced

I thought E33 was great. I liked FF7 remake. I would have bought FF7 rebirth too but it did like my 1070

>>716222369
E33's combat is fucking shit, so shut that whore mouth even trying to compare it to Rebirth's, the absolute peak of Rpg combat. Get the fuck out.

>>716231864
That’s because it is.

>>716232118
Imagune having such a shit opinion

>>716214468 (OP)
kek
it's humiliation ritual time!

>>716231852
Rebirth sits at 92 with 89 user ratings compared to E33 sitting at 93 with 97 user rating.

>>716232615
Imagine telling somebody 20 years ago that Frogs would end up making a peak FF game while SE has absolutely lost the plot

>Turned
>Based
>New IP
>Doesn't rely solely on nostalgia
>Wasn't stuck on a shit console for 2 or so years
Fuck Final Faggotry

>>716231864
Probably nintentroons at it again

>>716214468 (OP)
Reminder

>>716233456
Damn, Square is killing it!
I guess they should make another Forspoken.

>>716221504
You post this shit every single day.

You are obsessed with shitposting FFVII

>>716232615
>>716233456
Barry found the thread

>>716232615
>PC sales for FF are trending upwards
based

>>716234535
FF haters are still mindbroken to this day. If ff comes back they will hide again or larp as fren

>>716231864
Yeah...there are a lot of jaded and very, very old shitposters who will say anything to shitpost Final Fantasy due to their being spurned by SE at some point over the last 20 years.

Real JRPG fans played and enjoyed both games. They were both fucking excellent, after all.

>>716234891
Wait for ff17 to come to be allowed to like rebirth like when ff16 was out shitposters were praising ff7 remake to shit on 16
It's the same cycle. Even old ffs get shitposted

>>716234535
and we've yet to see anyone prove it wrong

/v/ loves FF more than general public.
>>716205435
>>716235737
>>716223268
>>716230845

I find it sad because I love FF, at least the ones before 11. There was a time where it seemed like nothing was bigger, but that day is gone. I definitely blame poor choices by squeenix. It's not just age though and it's not just missing out. I had a friend who got FF7 after the PS2 came out and hated it, so he basically just gave it to me because I hadn't played it in years and didn't know about emulation yet. He didn't get it at all even watching me play, and didn't get FF10 when I played it.

>>716231150
>people are unphased by slavery where slavery is normal
how is this bad writing?

>>716232615
Its even worse when you realize E33 is "free" on game pass.

>>716227495
if I exclusively played games that only did things that were "new and exciting" I would have ran out of shit to play over a decade ago. everyone's favourite media is probably a derivative of something out there even if they don't know it

>>716214468 (OP)
as i understand it, rebirth is mostly fanservice for existing fans, some of which just don't like it, while clair obscur is a completely new game made by an indie team.

>>716232615
beautiful
especially after the past few years of the most obnoxious nu-ff fanboy cunts shitposting endlessly about how nobody wants an old fashioned ff game anymore. e33 comes along like a sledgehammer right into their thick skulls. and they're trying their best to cling to some very desperate copes but the reality is it's the biggest mogging seen in gaming for a decade.

>>716237459
why don't you just play the game instead of talking shit you know nothing about in some thread on 4chan?

>>716237459
exactly right. now imagine how shit remake and rebirth have to be for even ffvii fans to hate them.

>>716236581
Because the MC being complained about was himself made a slave yet somehow he apparently forgets that.

>>716236469
It is definitely age, even classic pre FFX games have aged badly. What that used to be cutting edge narrative is now campy cheezy slop writing. E33 succeeds in modernizing the FF formula in ways that Square Enix hadn't been able to by introducing influences from Fromsoft games. That and introducing a narrative that isn't struck in the era where Evangelion was cool.

>>716232653
Rebirth has 145 critic reviews but only 6k user scores
vs
E33 only 80 critic reviews but over 20k user scores

That 92/100 of Rebirth has more weight and way higher value than the 93 from E33 with half the critic reviews.

User score on the other hand is pretty suspicious because of the sheer amount of reviews. E33 has even more user reviews than Wukong, Palworld or even a fucking Pokemon game and there is no way that is possible from a game that sold less than FF16.

>>716214468 (OP)
>Why did this happen?
square decided to be retarded and make the FF7 remake into 3 parts and not make it turned based thats why they failed

EVERYONE WANTED 1 FF7 REMAKE GAME AND IT TO UPDATED GRAPHICS WITH TURNED BASED COMBAT

FUCKING EVERYONE

How many years will ff7 fags need to mentally recover from that remake?

>>716239790
now compare it to western games like BG3

>>716239790
>don't trust yourself or the people who actually play the game
>trust the experts

>>716214468 (OP)
>I constantly see people under 20 pick up Clair Obscur
That would explain why the fanbase is as retarded as it is

>>716231568
yeah because the CEO's father is a billionaire

>>716214468 (OP)
13 and 15 were so shitty that the brand fell off the map. Final Fantasy also developed a very 2001 vibe that it never evolved from. Basically it stagnated for 20 years. I still think rebirth is fantastic but the IP just doesn't appeal to zoomers.

>>716214468 (OP)
I feel like the FF7 Remake would have been a lot more successful if it was a single game instead of being episodic (it's still not done lmao) and was a little closer to the source material. Just a little. It didn't have to be a 1:1 remake of the original, but when you change too much just for the sake of changing things, it can become a negative thing.

>>716240835
Nta but would you actually agree to a 9.7 for E33? That's about a perfect game. I liked E33 but there's really plenty to improve on.

>>716214468 (OP)
personally, no one should play FF anymore after FFXIII trilogy. however, i'm not playing obscur either
t. mid-late 30s

>>716214468 (OP)
>they're the same image

>>716214779
People use 4chan as a place to argue with people over nonsense.
The best way to start arguments is to pick sometime popular and tell everyone its shit.

These people are lonely and need friends.

I'm playing rebirth, currently on chapter 12, should I push the main story or do all the side quests? are super bosses any good in this game?

>>716241010
Wealthy relative is always the only reason that literally anything becomes popular or well-known,
but still e33 is pretty good

>>716241010
And? Lots of games have wealthy backers, Rebirth included, and still turn out subpar.

>>716240527
I recovered after the first Remake game. No matter how soulless the Remakes are, Squeenix still cant destroy how the OG versions are

>>716236469
People will forever be obsessed with FF. Even with low numbers it's a fact that's the most talked jrpg

I fucking love FF 7 and Rebirth they're better games than plebbit 33

>play Clair Obscur
>Play FF7 Rebirth
>love both
bros... am I a bad person?

>>716243364
A based game enjoyer

>>716214468 (OP)
Dragon Quest, Monkey Island, and Civilization, all legendary franchises, and I don't play them. I'm also 38, when most of these games were still in the popular cultural zeitgeist.
Some games appeal to some gamers, some don't appeal at all. That's the thing I love about young people, they have so much choice, and it's interesting to see what appeals to them and what they choose. Or you can be an incredulous faggot and hates everything new because your life peaks when you were high school.

hmm

is gongaga the worst region?

>>716243364
I enjoyed both of them, but I know that I fell for nostalgia and Tifa's fat globes in FF7R.

E33 didn't have either and it was still a better experience.
Sciel is the best girl.

>>716244626
I think corel desert is kinda boring
The rest are cool

>>716239790
Well, seems like people in general like E33 way more then

>>716247459
Ah

>>716214468 (OP)
Clair Obscur is a complete game for $50
Rebirth is one-third of a complete game for $70

>>716214468 (OP)
I'm 35. I love Rebirth and Expedition 33. I like what I like, simple as.

>>716241010
as opposed to small indie developer Square Enix

>>716241450
Not him, but despite me believing that no game is perfect. I can still respect E33 having a 9.7. I really enjoyed the game in almost every way.

>>716214468 (OP)
Expedition 33 is better at almost everything, and especially in letting the player actually play the game and treating them like an adult with more than 50 IQ. It's insane the amount of overexposition, cutscenes, walking and talking that FFRebirth has, the pointless content like Ubisoft's game design to pad the game's length, the unbearable verbosity, the idiotic mini-games, and all the bad things this game has
Expedition 33, with 1/3 of the cutscene time of FFREBIRTH, manages to tell a complete and better story than Rebirth