Thread 716223268

>shit you will probably never do in your life time.
beating FFIX under 12 hours to get Excalibur II.
i know it's much easier to get it now(i had the PAL version back then), but i dislike having to sacrifice other stuff just to reach that part as quick as possible.

Missables in RPGs is always stupid. Oh you missed a chest you couldn't possibly see that was behind a pillar in the background on disk 2 back 30 hours ago? Whoops, no best weapon for that one character!

>>716223268 (OP)
Watch THIS

bullshit to sell guides, I'm glade those days are over

>>716223268 (OP)
I'll never replay games without quicksaving/save state feature.

>>716223268 (OP)
You can use the Alternate Fantasy mod for that, one of the mod's features is adding an alternative way to get that sword.

>>716223646
does that work together with the moguri mod active?

>>716223594
you didn't beat the game

>>716223719
Yes, install them with Memoria's mod manager (Moguri's creator also tells you to use it, and you can download it directly from the Memoria's mod catalog) and follow the mods' load order instructions.

>>716224130
nice, good to know

>>716223481
I think the Zodiac Spear from (OG) XII at least seems to be at leats partially responsible to that design getting the boot. People fucking HATED that "Buy a Guide" schmuckbait assfuck.

>>716223646
>having to use a mod
You didn't beat the game.

You can also get it if the timer overflows, which takes about 2 years. Sounds like a hoax, but it works.

Unlike that fucking "if you kill black waltz 1 in a specific way you get a key to change outfits in Dali." That was a lie. I know. I tried it.

>>716224331
>>716223481
>>716223582
>oh no, you opened one of the forbidden chests?
>no early zodiac spear for you

>>716223965
having fun is more important than beating the game

Would you believe I tried doing my own route and was only an hour behind

I might try again one day

Next time I’m just whipping out the guide with the reasonable times listed for save points

Kuja is a good villain. The game just takes too long to show us what his deal is. Sephiroth you understand by Kalm, Kefka by Doza, Kuja is just an erotically inclined hobo until the end of disc 3.

>>716224467
I think this one was infinitely more malicious than Excalibur II. The latter is at least an interesting challenge for people who've finished the game before. The Zodiac Spear is just awful game design to reward those bought the strategy guide.

>>716225104
Didn't IX kill strategy guides?

>>716225104
under 12 hour is also pretty malicious though.
there is nothing that hints to that you have to beat it under that time and find it near the end of the game. also, this one is completely missable since you won't get a copy, unlike the zodiac spear(with a horrendous drop rate though)

>>716223549
Did all the Celestial's once as a kid when I first played FFX, never did it ever since. I just customize weapons instead, maybe get Wakka's because Blitzing is always fun

>>716223549
that shit made me sweat a lot.
>>716225802
it's funny how a lot of people said that the chocobo race was the hardest part for them. i had no problems with that one.

>>716224918
It’s pretty obvious he’s a manipulating advisor, which is a theme not just from previous FF’s (Kefka) but other political drama

They even get really close to using direct lines from Shakespeare in IX, quite often, it should have been a bit obvious what Kuna was doing with the Queen to someone well-read, no offense to the likely 12yo self of yours and mine for missing it

>>716226119
Kuja. Fucking google autocorrect is literally designed by niggers to make communication impossible

>>716223549
It's weird to me how I hear people struggling with this. I did this first try on every playthrough I've done, and pushed it a couple hundred beyond just for fun. I don't get how you mess this up unless you are tensed up like a motherfucker.

>>716224426
>Unlike that fucking "if you kill black waltz 1 in a specific way you get a key to change outfits in Dali." That was a lie. I know. I tried it.
Don't worry, I also fell for that bullshit.

>>716226202
Yeah I did the jump rope to 1,000 on my first try while fingerbanging your mom.

>>716226202
concentrating for 200 consequent dodges isn't everyone's cup of tea.
i blinked at the wrong time and ruined it right before i reached the goal

>>716226287
Play some rhythm games anon. You'll stop sucking ass at mechanical sections too. It's not hard.

>>716223719
>moguri mod
That's just AI slop.

>>716226202
Impossible on early LCD TVs

>>716226480
It never pays to be an early adopter. CRTs were the most purchased TV type until 2011.

>>716223268 (OP)
I've done that, but just to say I did. It's not like that weapon is worth it.

>>716225954
>the chocobo race was the hardest
probably because you used a guide and knew the location of every chocobo and all the combinations.

>>716226747
what?
i meant this.

>>716226865
I've gotten gamer mad at this before. The controls are egregious. Not even in that they are poorly implemented or designed, they are intentionally, maliciously designed to be bad.

I can have quibbles about FF7R having too many minigames, or minigames that aren't fun, but none of them are designed to make you mad on purpose.

>>716223481
Square did that deliberately to sell strategy guides.

>>716227273
yeah, that's probably why so many people had problems with it

>>716226865
this took me a solid hour of continuous attempts

>>716226480
>Impossible on early LCD TVs
and Switch 2 KEK

>>716223268 (OP)
Excalibur II was a game changer for me. It made me able to go "you know what, I'd rather just fucking enjoy the game than this level of shit" and I gave up worrying about achievements or challenges (because achievements weren't even a fucking thing yet) unless they were genuinely interesting enough. Never 100% anything ever again unless I wanted to. Liberati-
>Anon do you ever fucking finish games
Oh right shit I just got a different autism.

>>716225802
Same. I ended up settling on "Tidus = POISON/DEATH/BIO SCUM" fighter because his black sword just looked cooler, to me.
Also, when customized to Hell and back, he OHKO basically everything.

>>716223268 (OP)
Gambler stuff as soon as it starts handing you blackjack ones.
Yes I really would like to simulate what it's like to be a fucking blackjack retard who screams like a small child because of the people playing before him fucking up his hand. Yes I would love that and to ruin my life trying to basically just "wait" playing 2c hands for an hour to try and fulfil an entirely luck-based series of conditions.

>>716228669
>black sword just looked cooler
actually looks horrible though?
brotherhood and caladbolg are my favorite

>>716228947
I wasn't big into "looks like a fishing hook" slice action. Seemed very inefficient sword play if I'm snagging the tip on my enemies every swing.

Obviously, fits the theme of "world is ocean" and "enemy is a giant whale" and "water water water fish fish fish," but eh.

>>716223481
I don't see an issue with this. Its not like you need the best equipment possible.

>>716223481
yeah, fuck them and everyone doing this

>>716229414
some people just want to get everything in one playthrough.
if you miss something, it just leaves a sour taste in your mouth if you realize it like hours into the game

>>716223481
And this is why I'll always use guides for that shit.

>>716229641
being able to 100% games without multiple playthroughs is antithetical to the concept of an rpg, those people should eat shit and die

>>716229715
>antithetical to the concept
So am I understanding that you are saying the concept of an rpg is to make a long game even longer?

>>716228669
For me, its

>>716229715
even if it's a really long ass game?
i mean, you could do multiple save files for that, but back then i fucking hated that shit.

>>716229641
Those people are completionists, and they don't enjoy video games.

I just beat FF9. When was I supposed to give coffee to that retard exactly? The town is in its own area you'd never really return to until you get an airship. I get the airship and then go back and he's already a depressed faggot. Okay so maybe disc 4 then? Nope, he's dead now. I gotta say, the game really started to fall apart halfway through disc 3. I haven't played a FF until this one where there's less to do than ever when the final dungeon is unlocked.

>>716229901
completing a game 100% is their enjoyment though?

>>716229990
as soon as you enter terra you are pretty much fucked for the rest of your playthrough.

I stopped playing before getting to terra

>>716230098
That's such an odd choice because it wasn't like that for FF games. Also still even before Terra, the coffee sidequest was cut off. Maybe I have to do it as soon as I get the airship or was I really supposed to just walk back to down? You can't yellow Chocobo there because you have to go through a cave to get back unless I'm forgetting something. It seems like an area you'd just ignore until you get the airship, which also seemed slightly later in the game than other FF.

>>716230021
Exactly, they don't like the games they play, they just want to be able to say they did everything or gloat about how many platinum trophies they have.

>>716230432
but you can also enjoy the game itself.
why does it have to be one or the other?

>>716223965
>>716224398
>the gaym sucks and I didn't waste my time
GOOD

How would you design Secret Weapon in your game then?

>>716231296
not making them nearly impossible to get without guides

I just beat it yesterday, but now I'm thinking about how obviously rushed it was like this guy being literally the only plot point for a playable character and you see him for like one minute in the game. Like imagine if Dyne from FF7 but even less screen time and less development an that's just one of several characters Barret had a connection to.
FF9 is a good game I enjoyed but I'm not really going to take anyone's shit about how FF7 is overrated or it's just my nostalgia because I actually played it as a kid. The flaws are there because it needed to be out and out of the way for FF10.

>>716230943
They clearly don't enjoy the games themselves, that's why they always make a big stink over any missable and especially cry if a game requires them to do multiple playthroughs to get/do everything such as the later Personas or Megaman Battle Network 4.

>>716223268 (OP)
You don't need to sacrifice anything. There are 100% runs that get Ex 2 and it's not even hard to do. No glitches or any of that shit.

>>716231401
Difficult to get without a guide or a wiki page is fine. Missable is the true sin.

>>716231997
eh.. i don't mind multiple playthroughs if it's required, but permanent missables are just the worst thing a dev can do.

>>716223268 (OP)
Ex2 is a pretty fun challenge to do

>>716232154
Permanent missables are fine as long as they aren't anything essential, and 99% of the time they AREN'T essential.

>>716231296
Probably make it orange.
I like the color orange.

>>716223268 (OP)
>Played leisurely on my PS1
>Just used a gameshark mod to reduce game time when I reached that part and for nothing else

Suck it.

>>716223481
Why the fuck do you care?
>BUT I NEED THE STRONGEST WEAPON! I NEED IT!
Why? Actually why? The game is easy enough you can beat it without it. Stop acting like the game was designed with it in mind and you are bricked from beating the game if you do.
Shit like this was cool because it encouraged discussion, rumors, and discourse about the game. Every Final Fantasy had some weird esoteric shit in it that made second and third playthroughs even more fun. Now everyone wants you to go to youtube and get every item in the game and ruin the mystery of the world for themselves because they suffer from autism. If you beat the game you didn't need it and it just gives you something to do if you ever wanna replay the game.

>>716224467
To this day I have no idea what were they thinking with this.
Was there any hint (in game) that say anything about this?

>>716232297
well, duh, i don't care about a permanent missable potion in a chest either.
FF9 also had abilities for your characters you could miss out on if you didn't buy the equipment before you reached certain points in the game. that, i would call, pretty essential

>>716232510
Absolutely not

>>716232510
lol, no
they wanted you to buy the game guide especially for this shit.

>>716223268 (OP)
There's a secret for the PSX: you don't have to give up ANYTHING to get Excalibur II, but you won't like how you have to do it. You have to get the clock to roll over. I think it caps at 99 hours and then it goes back to 0. You're then free to do Memoria in that 12 hour window and you'll get Excalibur II.

>>716231296
By beating a secret boss that is placed BEFORE the final boss, that way you have a reason to fucking use it

>>716227273
Funnily enough, it's a lot easier if you use a keyboard to steer. The way the chocobo turns, binary input ends up being much, much better for correcting direction than analog stick.

>>716232384
I thought your adjunct image was a cockatoo, not a cd with a meme on it.

>>716232992
Might want to mention it needs to roll over 5 times before it actually turns into the white colored 0 timer again.
Would take 600 hours to do this way.

i did a 100% all items run with 4 promst rings and excalibur II. i still have the save file and my custom name for zidane to prove it :)

love ff9. ozma is an o.g. all thats left on that save file i think is grnding levels on those ram/sheep things while having certain gear equipped for max stats, and getting rest of the cards (got all the cards you could). i went through the game with as minimal levels as possible too to get max stats possible. it was a fun challenge

>>716232993
Shit design when you make a weapon good for only one fight because you get it right before that fight. Breath of Fire did this as well. The best sword for Ryu is literally in the room before the final boss but is actually hidden so it's very easy to miss. The only thing that makes it even worth having is that it has an insanely high crit rate. But you'll likely just be blasting the boss with dragon magic anyway so it doesn't even matter.

>>716231825
Y'know I forgot how much death there is in this game. Like you see women and children getting murdered in Cleyra while screaming, if you fail a cointoss, and even if you succeed they get nuked anyway. FF8 had a whole war segment but you really just see some students moaning about a busted leg or something.

And all the major cities except treno get fucked too. Must be hard being a fan of the FF9 world, like I love this setting, and this game where everyone dies and everything's completely detroyed, and that's before Terra merges.

>>716233485
Anon your 10 promist rings??

>>716223549
how fucking weak.

>>716226865
I can't remember how I ever beat that. No offense, but these visuals are worse from what I can remember.

>>716233738
they don't show much death though.
it's funny how odin and bahamut wreck whole places only to hear or see later that like everyone only got away with some ouchies

>>716233891
i cant remember if it was 4 or 10, i remember it being 4. most guides had missed one, but i got them all. whatever the max amount was

>>716233738
The art style filters retards. It has just as much death and gloom as games like 7 and 10 and deals with similar themes of loss.

>>716233404
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous way to get it, but it's possible.

>>716234137
I can't think of anything worse in any FF than unarmed refugees being hunted down and murdered on screen. Though I dropped FF16 kind of early, maybe it gets worse.
I mean Cleyra has no army, nobody's fighting back, and Beatrix jokes around while slaying women and children. She's worse than that guy in Suikoden, and she gets fucking redeemed.

>>716223481
I don't like how Dragon's Dogma railroads you into skipping Selene's questline.

>>716233738
>>716234296
>tfw you'll never be a cute rat girl getting pounded by a monkey angel of death

>>716233941
>these visuals are worse from what I can remember.
Well it is the HD version

>>716234296
what, did she also made people squeal like pigs too?

>>716224467
FFX and XII ultimate weapons are such a shit vidya design that it's the main reason why I never bothered to replay both games.
Same with Tales of the Abyss/Vesperia and the requirements to some of the best weapons.

>>716234615
FFX international's postgame was demanding on a level you simply couldn't get away with today.

>>716234723
fuck, don't even remember me of that grid farming shit. I don't want to hate the game even more again.
it's unironically amazing how every Final Fantasy has some shit part or item/equip farming that completely shows how Square has some of the shittiest vidya design in entire vidya history.

>>716227334
And FFIX was the absolute king of bullshit in strategy guides, because EVEN IF YOU FUCKING BOUGHT IT YOU GOT PIC RELATED
ON
EVERY
PAGE
>someone's up for a weapon upgrade
>code is STEINE1
>gee I wonder who is it

>>716234137
I'll never forgive Remake for making every single NPC you talked to and many more randos survive the plate drop.

>>716234615
>Abyss
Huh? Every best weapon is acquired at Baticul's coliseum...
OK, Jewel of Gardios requires a quest and you can fuck it up

>>716235227
This and the Final Fantasy Tactics black book pretty much killed strategy guides. FF9 is the first time I remember looking up guides on gamefaqs at my local library's only computer.

>>716229768
You are not entitled to see and experience everything

>>716234615
I know that Vesperia's ultimate weapons can all be picked up by the player at the end of the game, there's nothing missable there. Unless you meant Judith's favorite spear, which is a missable side quest because fuck you.

>>716234296
Beatrix literally never kills anyone on screen you deranged troon

>>716235227
(cont).
Some absolute madlad recreated the bullshit playonline site.
And it turns out the weapon is for GARNET. So the code is a red herring, goddamn
http://www.ff9guide.com/grand_citadel_south_gate.htm#STEINE1

>>716235802
Doesn't she kill a rat in Burmecia?

>>716235884
No
she formally challenges the guy who tries to bum rush Brahne then engages with the party as he runs away in fear knowing who she is
Basically all of her dialogue was localized wrong as well to make her seem like a sadistic battlemaiden

>>716236141
Is there a relocalisation at all?

>>716236807
Not that I know of. But if you know Spanish, try it. The TL is based on the original JP text, so the main character is named Yitán and not like some soccer player.

>>716231296
>only get it after completing literally everything but the final boss
>it's main advantage is that it sets all your stats to lvl100
>all your stats would already be that high anyway by this time
>higher even with basic equipment
>it practically makes you weaker
>it kinda looks like shit compared to what you used till now
>weapon id is "fuck you, loser"

>>716237093
I don't speak Spanish :(

>>716236807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Hm9_AfaS0&list=PLRFNi2SoMa9IyIG4rs1yF1p1NYQX2F3DE&index=8

>>716223481
It's not even the item itself being missable, it's the attitude. The narrative of missables being intricately woven design decisions is absolute horseshit. I can't see how most instances of missables wouldn't make someone wonder if the developers fell asleep at the wheel, with some even being completely unintentional.

>>716237863
Even if you did get them you wouldn't use them. I know your kind, with x99 elixirs in the backpack by the time you're at the final boss.

>>716237985
that's also a problem i have.
i'm hoarding stuff that is super rare and like never use it.

>>716223481
Ever play Legend of Dragoon? There are 100 or so Stardust you can pick up from the environment. One is at the very beginning of the game.

>>716238458
I was like that before I played proper roguelikes, like DCSS. Either you use that rare, unique item now to give you an edge or you die and go back to the start of the game, losing everything in the process. Cured my hoarding tendecies.

>>716238478
god, it's like ages since i last played this.
i only remember the cool transformations.

>beat game
>beat 100 floor super dungeon filled with complete bullshit
>beat both phases of secret boss
>get best weapon
>no one to use it on

>>716240331
that was also kinda dumb back then.
give me at least one more super dungeon or super boss to use it on.

>>716240331
I enjoyed Dark Clouds final special dungeons.

There’s someone out there who beat FFX getting every weapon and then one shot all the late-game story bosses because 99999

>>716240917
There's someone who got a lucky Economizer/Celestriad drop early in World of Ruin and used Ultima the entire rest of FF6
It was me, then I got worse when I got the double cast thing

>>716240917
that's how you do it
completely dominate everyone.
the final boss is a push over anyway. the true shit happens in the colosseum and with the super bosses

>missed a crest/sigil early on
>whoops there's a fucking dark aeon's fat ass in the way
yojimbo cheese existing does not make it feel better

I like when the starter weapon can be forged into the ultimate weapon.
I don't think FF does this though.

>>716223481
>game rewards careful exploration and paying attention
>bad
why are zoomers so weak?

>>716231296
There is a "hidden" weapon in the first arc. Every chapter has secret/obtuse way of upgrading it.
Fully upgraded weapon is required to fight the ultimate evil during post game.
The Ultimate Evil is the sword so you automatically unequip the weapon when you enter the fight.
Fight is 1v1.

>>716226865
I don't recall having too much trouble with this. The butterflies were awful though. The area and their movements fucked with my depth perception and hitting even one red one meant you had to start over.

>final form of final boss drops exp
>no ng+ or post-game to speak of
Ansem KH1

>>716246549
really weird decision there