>Everything this game does another souls games makes it better by not having a filler world and way less recycled enemies/bosses
>Players treat it as the new stage of gaming

I swear i never heard anything good about elden ring that no other game does as well.
They mindlessly praise this game withoht a reason probaly because open world equals spectacle so it must be good right?
Also fromsoft jerking.

>>716248707 (OP)
No game comes close in terms of builds but yes, it's not my favorite

>>716248915
>No games come close in terms of build
Every souls game ever

>>716248707 (OP)

Is this accurate?

>>716249279
If you play the games for the action combat above all else than sure outside of the Bloodborne placement.

>>716249374
Considering his list... Yeah.
Altough why the fuck is elden ring so high?
The combat sicks outside of selected few bosses.

>>716249470
Most mobility and spectacle in its bosses which for an uncritical list done in retrospect makes sense.

>>716249116
Only Dark Souls 2 comes close, and it's hampered by bad tuning, half-assed enemy design, and fucked up inscrutable scaling and damage formulas. Elden Ring has so much more support for any given stat spread or build focus it puts every previous Miyazaki game to shame.

>>716248915
>No game comes close in terms of builds
Kind of? You have a lot of weapons and spells, but the pool of "things that are actually good" is fairly small and actual build diversity outside of focusing a single stat is pretty dead (RIP quality) at reasonable SL.

>>716249470
ER's combat is the best in the series.
There's no debating that.

>>716249116
Nope.

>>716248707 (OP)
It's a fine novelty but I'd rather replay any other dark souls

>>716250412
Not at all?
Pretty much every weapon class other than ballistas has something in it that you can make an extremely powerful and fun build around.

>>716248707 (OP)
>>Everything this game does another souls games makes it better by not having a filler world and way less recycled enemies/bosses
You sound retarded.

>>716250640
>Pretty much every weapon class other than ballistas has something in it that you can make an extremely powerful and fun build around.
And said weapons make the rest of those weapons redundant.
There's also the issue that a lot of these builds are rather shallow and revolve around "spam this one good weapon art" or "spam jump attack".

>>716250412
>>716250640
>Kind of?
>Not at all?
Why do you talk like a fucking faggot.

>>716248915
Ironically nightreign shows that set built characters is actually be better

>>716250825
Autism.
You replied to two different people but are on a sperg episode so you're creating patterns and connections that don't exist.

>>716250412
>but the pool of "things that are actually good" is fairly small
Just a flat out false statement. Nice.

>>716249279
It's the reverse except da remake

>>716250825
Faggy games warrant faggy comments.

>>716248707 (OP)
>recycled enemies/bosses
guess you've never played sekiro

>>716250410
You wandwr around the workd to get stuff for yohr build like in any other souls game.
Its not that deep.
And elden ring doesnt do crazy new shit

>>716250973
>You replied to two different people
Yeah I was talking to both of you. Wait let me type that again.
Yeah I was talking to both of you? Which is why I tagged both comments? That were talking to each other? Maybe try using your head?

>>716250985
The Greataxe is objectively worse than the Executioner's Axe in practically every meaningful metric and is always the weaker option. ER is filled with subpar weapons like that, some even worse since they're locked to shit arts.

>>716250812
That goes for literally every game ever, there's going to be the best in slot, and expecting Elden Ring to be different is ridiculous.
But only extremely rarely, is this ever totally obvious and there aren't multiple choices.
Even for Thrusting Swords, where the Cleanrot Sword is obviously the best, the Antspur Rapier is still very useful for not needing grease buffs to trigger Scarlet Rot.

>>716250448
It has some of the worst terrain ever as those areas are most worlds to traverse to, not to actually fight enemies.
A lot of bosses get ruined by how terrain just cucks you lke getting stuck.
The camera is also way to close in a game where enemies are gigantic and in higher numbers getting you sniped cause you cant have enemies in place fkr yoh camera.
And the game loves spreading them out around you.
Its as shit as scholar.

>>716251180
The greataxe is a weapon that is "actually good" regardless of having lower stats than some other weapon. ER is filled with weapons like that.

>>716251184
You act as if not every other souls game is filled witg different weapon types and builds.
Elden ring just spreads them out in filler worlds to collect.

>>716248707 (OP)
nobody gives a fucking fuck

>>716251184
It's worse in ER compared to other Souls games thanks to modular arts and a lack of effort put into unique movesets (they exist, but not like they did in prior games).

>>716251020
Elden Ring is not a faggy game and your faggy comments will never be warranted.

>>716251413
This is a different discussion entirely, and Elden Ring has a better ultimate spread of viable and powerful builds than any other Souls game.
>>716251507
How do modular arts make this worse at all?

>>716251532
>Elden Ring is not a faggy game
Literally opens with body type shit lmao, also cut female animations because they might trigger troons.

>>716248707 (OP)
Elden Rings lore and world building is second to none. Just existing in The Lands Between is a privilege

>>716251337
The terrain is perfectly fine and basically never is an actual hazard to fighting a boss unless you're trying to cheese something.
And just traveling one of the most beautiful worlds in the entire medium is genuinely a pleasure.
If you can't manage a camera that takes care of itself most of the time, that is on you, not the game. There is basically one boss type that is actively bad for the camera system, the Tree Serpents. The other 99% of the time you're playing, camera issues are your own.

>>716251180
This is how almost every action game with a loot system, goes.
There are lower tier weapons and better ones later on.
Elden Ring side steps a lot of this, even, by having a lot of early game loot be if not just totally viable, even extremely good up until the end of the game.

>>716251959
Based retard that started Souls with ER.

Yay daily tranny hate thread for TANIMURA AND MIYAZAKI LVDO KINO. Seethe and dilate, Elden Ring game of the decade.

>>716252214
Yeah, Souls games never had loot mechanics before and you didn't usually upgrade your weapon based on a drop while playing. Everyone always used their starting weapons from the start to the end of every game.
Players never farmed Black Knights for their halberd or swords in DS1 to upgrade from their starting weapons. Or swapped over to a BSS or Estoc. No one ever killed Havel early to get his gear. Or anything else.
Are you a moron or is this a deliberate charade?

>>716251095
Okay anon, let's see what a faith build gets to do for the first half of Dark Souls 3
>Blessed infusion (completely worthless outside of one weapon that you can't get until Lothric Castle)
>lightning spear
>lightning stake
>blessed weapon buff if you do early Dancer (also pretty shitty, especially early game as it's a percentage buff)
>gnaw if you want to fuck up your miracle vendor
>uh...heal spells. wow
You can't even get a useful scaling infusion until the Giant's Coal in Anor Londo, so you might as well Raw Mace the entire first half of the game and not even be a faith build because the points are completely wasted. A faith build in ER before even going to Liurnia, not even half the game for comparison:
>Sacred Blade (could even get the sanctified whetblade and coded sword if you lure an invader to activate the elevator at divine bridge)
>Flaming Strike (red-hot whetblade accessible in the same place for flame art infusion)
>The Flame of Frenzy
>Catch Flame
>Black Flame and Godslayer's Seal for full faith
>Bestial Sling and Clawmark Seal for strength/faith
>+10 faith physick tear (+10 strength tear as well for strength/faith)
>increased fire damage physick tear
>magic/fire/divine fortification spells that are actually worth casting
>golden halberd
>tail and horn crucible incantations
>dragon communion incantations and seal
>the same selection of heal spells as DS3 except even those have a new utility because of the revenants and related enemies
I probably still managed to forget a few things even after listing all that. I think you get the point though.

>>716251470
You replied you cared:)

>>716251773
Terrain hilarilusly uneven i missed chances on critical strikes on gianta because his body clipped through the fucking ground or i couldnt szand at the crit spot.

>But the worldnisnso beautifull
It only works for a few hours till youre used to what you saw and realize the tedium behind traversing it.

Elden ring fans coming in saying the things every other souls game does right anyway and claim that ER is somehow uniquely amazing to this.

>>716253424
Because Elden Ring does those things better.

>>716253451
It doesnt.

>>716253424
There's nothing Souls games do better than ER

>>716253627
World design.
More unique bosses.
More unique dungeons.
Quests.
And combat are all objectilvy done in other souls games.

>>716248707 (OP)
Admittedly it probably has the best spells of any Souls game and the ashes of war system is pretty cool. I say this as someone who doesn't think much of Elden Ring, either.

>>716253930
Ranni's quest is the best that FromSoft ever put together.
Directs you across the game, leads you to unique locations consistently, has a narrative throughline, and is easy to follow even for an inexperienced player.
Elden Ring by number has more unique and individual bosses than any other Souls game, even any repeats cut (as though we have to pretend that previous games never reused enemy types). And its Legacy Dungeons are definitely in par with any from earlier games.

>>716254116
>Rannis quest
Ah, the one so badly designed that everyone doesnit with a wiki.
>More unique and individual bosses
Bullcrap.
Most peoplenjust litna few good story mandatory ones cause almost every other boss is done to the point where it gets annoying.
>Legacy dungeons
You mean the few good ones?
Most other souls games list theirnfew bad places
ER fans just list the few good ones.

>>716252481
>Everyone always used their starting weapons from the start to the end of every game.
A lot of people do, yeah.>>716252481

>>716253930
>World design.
Wrong, ER's world is not only immensely more varied and colorful, it's also objectively better designed topographically and way more interesting than your boring gray and brown brick corridors with the occasional gray and brown poison swamp
>More unique bosses.
Wrong and very gay, ER has more variety AND quality in terms of enemies than all of Souls combined, nevermind that not even the worst bosses in ER are as aggressively bad as shit like Bed of Chaos or really, the vast majority of DS2 bosses
>More unique dungeons.
Also wrong, the catacombs alone have more variety in terms layouts and progression tricks than entire souls games
>Quests.
Wrong, Elden Ring quests filtering Souls brainlets like you are a testament of their superior quality.
>And combat
Wrong, Souls combat is embarassingly bad and covers not even a fraction of the possiblities that ER has, Souls at its best is not even better than the average Zelda game which has pretty bad combat as well

>>716252753
>lightning stake
Literally the heart and soul, bread and butter of DaS3 Miracle builds.

>>716254116
>And its Legacy Dungeons are definitely in par with any from earlier games.
Not really. Only stormveil was any good

>>716254431
Ranni's quest is literally the easiest to follow in the game by far.
Even if you don't know where she is, from the Rogier questline, she's in a very obvious place behind a dungeon in the second zone that most players will do, because that is what you're playing the game for.
After that, literally just listening to her and going the places she tells you to go and killing whatever you see there is all that you need to do. It is the most crystal clear the game gets.

By volume it is objectively true that Elden Ring has more unique boss enemies with more unique movesets. There are 4 basic types of dragon (drake, ancient, Placidusax, Bayle) while older games were lucky to have one, just as an example. And this is consistent across the board.

What are the bad parts of Elden Ring, in your mind.
Share them, specifically.
The legacy dungeons or major areas like Deeproot or the Sewers are absolutely great, and if you strung them back to back with no overworld, it'd be longer than previous games.

>>716254602
>Its so interesting.
One is a big open field in green.
One is a big open field in white and red.
And otger is just water.
Thats like 3 major location.
>Immersive
So where the other games
>You just. Git fiktered by great quest design
Needing a wiki to do it sure as hell is not.

>ER revoltionazed combat.
Stilj just rollspam but with uneven terrain with a bunch of obstackes around to make it more annoying.

>>716254539
And you can do that in Elden Ring.
The broad sword is a very strong straight sword that is entirely viable to the end of the game.
Same with the Estoc or Uchigatana.
Are you going to make a point here?

>>716248707 (OP)
I liked it but I am sick of fromsoftware constantly going back to that medieval fantasy aesthetic for their soul games, I love dark souls but it got kinda stale by dark souls 3, I just hope that whatever is the next big soul game is; it isn't fantasy but instead is a ww2-esque or pirate world, the series really need something fresh

>>716254116
>Ranni's quest is the best that FromSoft ever put together.
Fuck no it isn't. It's just a series of fetch quests with absolutely no player input whatsoever. Unlike in earlier games, they make sure Ranni is invincible and that you can do nothing to harm her, despite her confessing to murder when you meet her in her tower. They set up an elaborate potion fetch quest and then undercut it at the last moment lest the player have any ability whatsoever to put the brakes on the Ranni simp train. They go out of their way to paint Ranni as an evil bitch, then make her tsundere, then make you worship her, and after you go do all the shit the game tells you to do it ends.

The way From handled, for example, the dark/light version of Anor Londo stands in stark contrast to this, and is a much more memorable experience. Ranni's quest is trash.

>>716254953
>broadsword
Worse than longsword unless you're an art spamming monkey.

>>716254617
And you get a better equivalent in the first thirty minutes of ER with Dragonclaw. Immediately usable on base Prophet stats if you get Marika's Scarseal, Confessor needs just one point in Arc. Most faith builds probably can't even run Lightning Stake when they first get it because it needs 35 faith and they don't have any other good reason to be investing that far in the early game.

>>716248707 (OP)
I wanted to like ER but the overworld is complete garbage. One of the most boring and poorly-designed open worlds I've seen.

>>716253627

>>716255075
Confessing to a murder of someone that you don't give a shit about and would be killing yourself if he was still alive?
If you want her to eat shit, then leave her after Blaidd and Iji die and she has literally no one left to help her. Then she's in a prison of her own creation that she has no escape from.

Why are you comparing apples and oranges here?
Light vs Dark Anal Rodeo is equivalent to Leyndell vs the Ashen Capital, or Leyndell vs the Shunning Grounds, as you finding out about how broken and degraded the place really is under the surface.

>>716254859
>>Its so interesting.
It is, vast open fields with their unique layouts, locations and environments are much better than copypasted linear brick corridors with the occasional cave and poison swamp
>So where the other games
There's nothing immersive about nonsensical brick mazes with a couple of lethargic enemies
>Needing a wiki to do it
Only brainlets need a wiki to complete ER quests, but at least you admit your IQ is not enough to play real games
>Stilj(sic) just rollspam
This isn't DS3 we're talking about, ER has been universally acknowledged by actually intelligent players to be the first game to not encourage mindless rolling, ER combat is immensely better than Souls combat by all possible metrics

>>716255404
Rennala

>>716248707 (OP)
>souls with sekiro shit
Thats it that's the game and its the best one they've made yet

>>716252481
>>716254539
The thing about souls games is that the vast majority of the time, thanks to the upgrade system a weapon can serve as both a stepping stone to a another one you want alter on in the game or can serve perfectly fine as an endgame weapon in itself.
For example the Longsword in basically ever souls game is a superb all rounder that naturally scales into a quality build that you get from the start of the game.
In for instance in Dark Souls 1 using again the humble Longsword its "upgrades" are the Sunlight Straight Sword, Balder Side Sword, and Silver Knight Straight Sword.
Sunlight has a slower attack speed, Baldur is for a dex build instead of a quality build, and Silver doesn't scale as well.

Elden Ring ironically fucks with this as the Longsword is now out preformed in its traditional role by the Lordsworn's Straight Sword but even then its still a completely viable weapon if your moving through the game and just didn't get luck with a drop and don't want to farm.

>>716255578
I want to kill her. I don't want to make her sad. This is a game where your stated objective right out of the gate is killing demigods, and she is a demigod who is among the most outright vile and evil of the bunch. She confesses to the murder of a demigod universally regarded as good, she caused the plague of deathblight, she likely even is the root of the shattering war itself. But I'm supposed to forget about all of that because she makes an uwu face at me, I guess.

They didn't even bother to create a barebones lore justification for any of Ranni's superpowers, she's just immune to everything but also she needs your help to accomplish anything. The lore in Elden Ring is just straight up schizo trash where they will make a character responsible for a genocide one minute then lock you out of any interaction with them other than worshipping at their feet the next and not even bother to provide any semblance of an explanation.

Earlier Souls games didn't pull garbage like this.

>>716255158
Completely incomparable, Dragonclaw and Lightning Stake fulfill different purposes within their respective kits.
Actually while we're here, I might as well tear apart your dogshit example further since you picked literally the worst example you could have picked.
>DaS3 miracle builds
High risk high reward playstyle that needs to carefully manage both hp and mp while making calculated trades via massive poise.
>Elden Ring Incantation builds
You throw projectiles like wizards but yellow instead of blue.

>>716255704
Far worse presentation, far weaker emotionally, just a complete failure by comparison.

>>716255973
>High risk high reward playstyle
>DS3 miracles
Not when shit like Dhorys Gnawing and Lightning Spear exist, no
>You throw projectiles like wizards but yellow instead of blue.
ER Incantations have like five times the melee range spells of DS3 incantations, not to mention projectile variety but okay.
Did you forget stuff like Lightning Arrow got converted into Sorceries in ER?

best game in the series parallel bloodborne
cope and seethe, its been over 3 years and your discord trannies are still making threads lmao
shazam not only lost, he was mindbroken
heres a clip of your amazing "slow meaningful deliberate hecking PURPOSEFUL" reddit combat

>>716255697
>ER nigger comains about copypasted shit
Kek DS1 has way more uniqueness and memoriable areas then ER.

>Behold, dog!

>>716256252
oh yeah i really REMEMBER Lost Izalith and not in a good way

>>716256161
Stronger presentation.
You have to kill a bunch of children that barely know what is going on, just to shatter her shell so you can wail on a defenseless mindbroken woman. And then defeat her daughter's projection of what she remembers her mother to be like.

>>716255697
>Its so not immersive to be in a catacomb and seeing skeletons.

>>716256265
based
basedniggers will cry over messages LMAO just dont read them lol, like dont click the message nigger LOL

>>716255697
>Only brainlet
I bet my ass you needed a guide to
>Combat le perfect by experts
No its not.
I oretty much dodgeroll spam the shit out of the gane with ease.
All it does is just to wait till you can attack and dodgeroll spam again.

>>716255959
>Earlier Souls games didn't pull garbage like this.
LMAO okay retard, its okay to admit not only did you not understand ER lore, but ds1 as well

>>716255893
I don't see the problem here?

>>716256331
At least people recognize it as a unique area and not just omgrave in white red.

>>716254602
>Wrong, Souls combat is embarassingly bad
Correct, elden ring is no different.
>jump button as spammable ashes
Myazaki is a hack. If you're going to make your game 70+ hours long at least make the combat engaging and fun

>>716256519
>ds1fags have reverted to praising lost izalith
grim

>>716256472
Why did Miquella abandon his flesh twice?

>>716256592
>At least means praising
Kek

>>716256198
>Anon unironically tries to use Lightning Spear from far away in DaS3
I can safely disregard the rest of your post as completely ill-informed I guess.

>>716256380
Ohhh but it's fine if it's Neato's NEETcave or Carthus, right?

>>716256710
oh shit its this schizo again lmao

>>716256458
I didn't need a guide for anything, I contributed to writing the guides YOU use in fact
>I oretty much dodgeroll spam the shit out of the gane with ease.
And then complain about the game because you're playing it wrong, the truth is you low IQ apes only know how to roll and are incapable of learning anything slightly more sophisticated, which is why you praise Souls' trash combat as good since a toddler can beat it, just like how you were whining about DS3 poise a decade ago you always expose your mental deficiencies

>>716256346
NTA but I was going to make a whole post refuting you but realized that it was just a waste of time since none of this shit is objective.
Instead ill just say that ER and the older games have very different ways of going about engaging the player and that leads to people developing different level of attachment and meaning. And all of these gotchas are mostly petty bullshit by people who can't appreciate what each game beings to the series.
Demons & Dark Souls are both more derived from old school dungeon crawlers in design philosophy, something closer to a 3d Wizardy than anything. While a game like Elden Ring is taking certain aspects of those original games and building on them while moving away from other parts.
>>716256739
Don't reply to the webm sctizo all you can do is ignore him. If you don't he will spam the thread until he gets bored.

>>716257097
>I-I am so genius i wrote the guide!
Pfft sure.
>S-Stop roll spamming. You play the game wrong
Kek is mad i beat the game with button and urges to me to play different to make the gamr look cooler.

>>716257097
>brags hes a game journalist writing incorrect info on souls games
grim, link some articles oh enlightened one
every single "guide" ive read on any souls game outside the real bloodborne wiki (not fextra) has either been objectively wrong or giving unoptimal gameplay advice
im gonna bet you're that gorillanigger at ign who told people to use the deathblight/fires deadly sin cheese on ER release lmao

>>716255973
>Dragonclaw and Lightning Stake fulfill different purposes within their respective kits.
They're both big damage long windup trading spells that blow up whatever's in front of you without being interrupted. Dragonclaw is more broadly applicable as it deals pure physical damage and it also has some potential in chaincasting combos due to it having a follow up cast. You also don't need to use a specific seal to cast it because the hyperarmor is baked into the spell instead of on the item that casts it.
>You throw projectiles like wizards but yellow instead of blue.
lmao

>>716257097
I wonder what goes on in the mind of a guy who think Miyazaki was a mental invalid, drool leaking from between his lips, eyes adrift as he took the helm for DeS and DaS1, and then suddenly became some kind of genius when helming DS3 and Elden Ring.

>>716249279
No. This is what normalfags think btw. It’s inverted, except Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne are also S tier alongside Demon’s Souls.

>>716250448
Bloodborne shits all over it.

>>716252753
>let's see what a faith build gets to do for the first half of Dark Souls 3
Big retard

>>716248915
If your knight, wizard, cleric, and berserker characters all roll around like they're playing rogues, there is no build variety

>>716251682
Yeah alright you got me there.

This wave of mald directed at er is hilarious it's so obvious when these faggots speak so confidently about viability while never ever having touched pvp, dipshits emiting opinions on quality builds not being viable or how this greatsword is 5% worse statwise therefore useless, instead of complaining about the real problems, like the fuckhuge empty areas in the dlc. Instead they talk shit about the only fucking game where lightning, soul and fire spells are all viable and fun to use, all while having the highest viability of weapons of all the games both in pvp and pve, insane

>>716256795
So we're doing this?
Okay, let's see the number of melee range miracles in DS3, I'll be generous and include Pyromancy in this since you're trying so hard to rewrite the records I want to give you all possible advantages:
>Lightning Stake
>Lifehunt Scythe
>Wrath of the Gods
>Combustion
>Great Combustion
>Sacred Flame
>Black Flame
>Flame Fan
Now I'll be extra generous and pretend you're right about Lightning Spear even if you're patently wrong about it so we add
>Lightning Spear
>Great Lightning Spear
>Sunlight Spear

Now, let's look at ER's melee incantations
>Furious Blade of Ansbach
>Bayle's Flame Lightning
>Messmer's Orb
>Ancient Dragon's Lightning Spear
>Aspect of the Crucible: Horns
>Aspect of the Crucible: Tail
>Bestial Sling
>Black Blade
>Black Flame Ritual
>Bloodflame Talons
>Catch Flame
>Dragonclaw
>Dragonmaw
>Fortissax' Lightning Spear
>Greyoll's Roar
>Gurranq's Beast Claw
>Inescapable Frenzy
>Noble Presence
>Scarlet Aeonia
>Lansseax' Glaive
>Wrath of Gold
>O, Flame!
And of course since Lightning spear counts as a melee incantation to you
>Lightning Spear
>Knight's Lightning Spear

So it's 11 melee Incantations+Pyromancies in DS3 against 24 melee incantation.

>>716257469
>and Elden Ring.
ER is a shitty Tanimura game. Miyazaki himself says most of the work on it was delegated to other people.

>>716257567
>A pyro that could just as easily be done with an intelligence focus (boulder heave has whopping 12 faith requirement)
>it would actually be objectively better on int because fireball spells are arbitrarily gimped and can't use faith scaling until a certain int breakpoint
Still proving the point that faith in early DS3 is shithouse and there's no reason to invest heavily into it and there isn't good low investment support either. Elden Ring is miles better in both regards.

>>716257454
Except faith spells behave in complete different ways from int?? Charged lightning spells have a secondary strike that staggers all non boss humanoids when full charged, an effect no sorcery has, all fth projectiles have gimmicks such as trio formations or staying hitboxes, strawman-chan but you wouldn't know this since you have barely played the game

>>716257973
>Combustion
That's a weapon art in DS3, so you should add in all the sacred and flame art infusable ashes in ER as well. Might hit character limit with that though. You could be nice and leave out the physical ashes that can be infused for anything.

>>716257556
Bloodborne's combat is too limited.
You either make the One Build, or you break the game with Arcane or Bloodtinge investment.
There's no sense of diversity or interesting approach.

You WILL fetch quest your own runes over and over

>>716264728
>constantly dies
skill issue

>pic
kino fight

>>716262369
>invade seamless
>the cutscene somehow doesnt send me home but im stuck behind the fogwall
>lol
>boot up cheat engine
>fogwall animation clip through it
>run down one of the two while they fight the boss
>the other is clearly searching his inventory for the send-me-home item
>dies to the boss

>>716248707 (OP)
Honestly sounds more like you're mindlessly hating the game.

>>716255959
>I want to kill her
You can kill Ranni after giving her the ring.

Still hasn't been refuted.

>>716266745
can't refute facts anon

What is it abut ER and DS3 nogs in particular that makes them so obnoxious?

>>716266745
What not a refutation Anons at the time were unable to articulate is that what they actually wanted from Souls was them to be 3d dungeon crawlers with basic action gameplay.
But because the overlap between people who play dungeon crawlers and play souls is minimal and because the focus of the series consistently trended towards its action aspects as the games went on they pointed towards the difficulty and mechanical complexity of the combat as the pain point when it was less the fights and more what was being left behind.

>>716267221
i like them all but i also spend too much time on this board, here is what usually happens:

>anon1: i like this ds3/er/bb etc. mechanic which seperates it from previous titles
>anon2: ha, that game SUCKS, ds1 is the ONLY good title, you're just ZOOMER, you MUST enjoy ds1 or you're STUPID
then anon1 gets upset and either engages with the real/bait anon2 and it spirals from there
theres a good meme of CJ saying "here we go again" with a ds thread in the background of people arguing over trivial bullshit, i never saved it but its been like this for a decade

>>716267394
so basically the dungeon crawlers wanted something closer to a movie with less involved gameplay?

I rarely see ER's lenght brought up, what's nice about prior souls is that the first playthrough might be long, but once you beat them once subsequent playthroughs are quite fast, makes them easy to replay if you ever get the itch and you don't spend so long on it that you get bored, ER fatigue hits even before finishing your first playthrough and i do not look forward to the open world laundry list on subsequent plays

>>716268030
>ER fatigue
I'm 40 hours in and I'm still not sick of it. It's a comfy game.

>>716267518
Not a movie but a greater focus on long stretches of traversal where you need to take into account resource management and are rewarded for exploring in a "here is an extra bit of the zone you were already exploring with a reward".

>>716248707 (OP)
Normies love it because its open world, its the same old souls shit

>>716268030
i think you're putting that limit on yourself, you can do or skip literally everything you want including the "required" shardbearers
ive 100%ed the game twice and my 3rd playthrough recently i just bumrushed everything for my build and skipped a lot of side dungeons i'd already done 2 times over, took maybe ~30-40 hours total, roughly same as ds3 maybe ~5 hours longer?

>>716268327
that's fair then but desu i'm happy to trade that for the world of elden ring, there are 4 titles to do that with souls combat available and sekiro for flavor

idk why this board recently has turned on the open-world concept so much, it can be done poorly (ubisoft) or well (botw, er)
my personal opinion is these people didn't endure 15+ years of murder hallway shooters and just want something new, even if its more of the same thing from several decades ago, which itself is fine but not what i personally want
this retarded board needs to stop putting their entire personality into which of any series is their "favorite" (not just dark souls) and why that "makes them smarter/better/etc." than the people who enjoy the other titles

>>716268389
What are you doing in DS3 that's taking you 30 to 40 hours?

>>716268840
the main story with the "secret" ending?
i know this site can be shit but for once it aligns with my gameplay
i also like to sit for 5m at a time at certain spots to take in the atmosphere or look at the archiecture, ive only replayed ds3 once though

>>716268749
tribalism will never disappear anon, just built into us, it is what it is

>>716268749
And I agree with you on letting people like what they like.
But to advocate for those older fans, as I said the series has gradually moved away from what they like after Dark Souls 1 since many of them see everything of Bloodborne onward as having moved to far away and with DS2 being a very messy experience.
So it doesn't fill that same niche as well which can breed resentment and feeling of abandonment.

Also while its not present in this thread there is a anon who is pissed at the souls series for being popular while "not innovating enough" that has taken to making multiple threads per day typically during euro hours trying to rile up resentment between the various games fans because going after Elden Ring from the outside didn't work. So a lot of arguments that otherwise never would of happened happen becuase of him.

>>716269391
>there is a anon who is pissed at the souls series for being popular while "not innovating enough" that has taken to making multiple threads per day typically during euro hours trying to rile up resentment between the various games fans because going after Elden Ring from the outside didn't work
im always amazed at how much effort and time schizos will put into conducting psyops on this board, it was crazy the number of threads and narratives on launch for ER or really any major title

its a fucking video game not some nationstate /pol/ shit...

>>716270143
Its a side effect of /here/ ending up as the "place online where you can voice opinions you can't anywhere else without getting yelled at" instead of just being "here is a forum where you can post whatever" 9it was indented to be.
Blame the ape using the site to "save western culture" rather than just be a anonymous forum.

I just found Miquella's Hagtree, been playing it blind for quite a while, was exploring Farum Azula and found a huge ass dragon and wanted to take a rest from it so I went to the consecrated snowfield as I noticed there was a building unexplored, entered an evergaol with bullshit archers and transparent instakill assasins, like seriously, what the fuck.

>>716271601
Yeah, the game isnt very fun lmao its just like for fags n shit

>>716271601
>and transparent instakill assasins
level your vigor anon....

>>716248707 (OP)
Shut the fuck up you pissy autistic faggot. Fromsoft is based and you will NEVER be a women

>>716248707 (OP)
>>716248915
>>716249116
>>716250412

Will you faggots play the convergence mod already?

https://www.convergencemod.com/

>>716271959
nah not downloading your fanfic mod sorry, games fine as it is
>t. love elden ring beat it 4 times

>>716267394
>the focus of the series consistently trended towards its action aspects
As someone directly in that overlap, I don't feel this to be strictly true at all. I think the games have progressed in both their action and RPG mechanics and there really wasn't much in the way of traditional dungeon crawling in the older games anyway. Going through the maze at the bottom of Stonefang is hardly anything comparable to playing King's Field, itself far removed from the PC classics like Ultima Underworld or Dungeon Master. Sen's Fortress is about the closest any of the older games got, and ER expands on its concept as well with all the mini-dungeons that /v/ loves to whine about. You have to reach for the worst DS2 runbacks (which people fucking hated and constantly complained about before ER was the current game) to get anything as demanding as redoing the entirety of Darklight Catacombs if you want to change your kit for Inquisitor Jori.

>>716272171
>too stupid to mod games

Jump to PC gaming now, or drown in the goyslop snoy.

>>716272401
i really like modding elden ring, i was just doing some seamless invasions actually
im really just not interested in playing your mod sorry

>>716272380
>>716267394
>>716266745
>>716257898

I miss the gimmick fights from Demons Souls, otherwise Elden ring is the straight upgrade.

>>716271713
It's quite fun actually, which is why I don't follow a guide, the scenarios are quite varied and the game encourages exploration, like who would have thought there's a huge ass dragon that you access by jumping on some floating debris then laying down and turning back time, didn't even know there was anything there, I just pressed A when I saw the prompt thinking I was picking up gravel.
>>716271797
Honestly the game is more fun as a glass cannon, my only complaint is that fully upgraded weapons are locked behind extremely rare materials and looking them up feels like cheating.

>>716272380
When I talked about dungeons is more that Dark Souls is one megadungeon with 4 (5 with DLC) endgame branches and in turn is the one that this mentality gets brought up the most with. Each individual zone isn't that complex but when you put it all together its a dense labyrinth.
Demons is instead 4 gauntlet dungeons relying on traps and enemy elemental weaknesses over pure navigation. Likewise Dark 2 does the same thing but due to tis disjointed nature is dismissed.

ER instead of The MegaDundeon does what you said with a bunch of minor dungeons scattered around with a few larger legacy ones which is a mentality.

>>716248707 (OP)
we know, open world sloppa needs to fucking die already. even so, elden ring at its core is pretty good. I wish they would have actual dungeons and not just long corridors that connect to a subset of rooms that loop back in on themselves. why are they pussyfooting around it? introduce puzzles, introduce an arsenal of required equipment upgrades that allows you to explore various parts of the world, and then put worthwhile things in the world, not just random boss fights (though there's nothing wrong with that either). basically they should go full zelda + added difficulty of bosses on top of it + large arsenal of weapons + some open world side activities.

if not, then just go back to classic dark souls 1 game design.

>>716273929
It's empty as fuck

>>716248707 (OP)
>still this assblasted 3+ years later

>>716249279
Actually subhuman taste