How the fuck did forming the burning legion and the undead scourge and making them fight eachother factor into his plan

they never actually explained what his plan was, very lazy writing

>>716251437 (OP)
>divide niggerpawns and make them fight
That's literally how football, basketball and every other normie sport generates a shitton of money.
That's literally how the Russian/Ukrainian peasant fucks are at war right now.
God WoWfags are so retarded they can't even critique their own game.
Zovaal's lore is actually good and WoWfags are just too fucking retarded to grasp it.

>>716251828
but he wasn't after money

>>716251828
>the fourth or fifth iteration of "actually he was just preparing us for the real bad guy" is actually...LE GOOD

You're a fucking moron, actually kill yourself.

Sends the Naztherim to corrupt Sargeras so Sargeras would attempt to purge the universe and in turn find the Prime World Soul (Azeroth) which he could use to power the Forge of Afterlives in Zereth Mortis to destroy the foundation of reality, allowing him to recreate it in his image, preventing the Void from doing the same thing with their Zereth Voidus

The Naztherim created the Scourge to act as his agents on Azeroth to hold onto the Helm of Domination, which contained the power to breach the Shadowlands, and build the Forge of Souls to gouge Azeroth's worldsoul of its body.

>>716252418
and what if illidan had been successful in defeating arthas and destroying the lich king?
Back then the writers outright admitted Illidan should have realistically won, and arthas beat him by sheer happenstance

or was that retconned too?

>>716252674
Arthas was already the chosen replacement for Ner'zhul, they would have corrupted another to wear the Crown.

Ner'zhul, Arthas and Bolvar were all leading up to Anduin's domination when they each failed in turn to be no good as anything but seatwarmers

>>716253020
anon that doesn't answer my question

>>716251437 (OP)
YOUR TINY HUMAN BRAIN IS JUST TOO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND THE JAILOR

To fight the OTHER BIG THING. I hate this expansion so goddamn much.

>>716251828
you are legitimately retarded
you don't divide and conquer your Own fucking armies

>>716253103
Anon yes it does, it's not my fault if you can't understand that "the Lich King" was never the important part of the equation from what I just told you.

>>716253020
this is still beyond retarded
frankly Shadowlands should have ended with Ner'Zhul and Arthas taking control over the jailer's powers and just cracking open the afterlife forming scourge 2.0

>>716251994
>what do you mean?
>i did eat breakfast and lunch.
fucking WoWtards LMAO

I actually like WoW's 6 primal forces system and how the reason it's a "world of warcraft" is that Life, death, light, voice, order, and chaos are all bad in excess and can't be allowed to have a foothold over the others. The fact that each one can corrupt and that WoW had a history of "big bad gets corrupted" for a while is also kinda funny in a poetic-but-sad kinda way. Is it handled well? Not at all, but I think the idea is neat.

I love (pre-BFA) Sylvanas Windrunner. There, I said it.

>>716253307
you're operating under the assumption illidan wouldn't destroy the crown as well
are you assuming he'd just leave it there? or don it himself like a dipshit?

When is the Alliance finally going to wipe out orcs, trolls, tauren and goblin subhumans?
When is the Alliance going to take back the belfs, nightborne, earthen and lordaeron/human undead?
Vulperas belong in cages in Goldshire for RP goons while pandas and dracthyr are forced to watch

>>716255857
>lordaeron/human undead
lost me there. They're shit allies who cause nothing but problems for the horde, what makes you think they'll be better for the alliance?
the only righteous course of action is to put them out of their misery.

>>716251828
>baiting this hard right off the bat
I guess you just took the chance since it's a first post, but the last line is too fucking obvious kek

>>716256251
>lost me there. They're shit allies who cause nothing but problems for the horde
nuh uh, lorelet
>what makes you think they'll be better for the alliance?
reclaiming back their lost human territories means accepting the human natives that were wiped out by HORDE-LEGION niggggggeeeersss
instead, they're just enabling hordgroids to hold onto 1/4 of azeroth territory where undead rule
horde's northrend logistics are maintained by undead nigger slave cattle

>>716253020
This wouldn't have worked since the whole campaign's shtick was how to make everything about Sylvanas.

>>716251437 (OP)
He was never able to control the Lich King fully because the Nathrezim couldn't infiltrate it, hence the Scourge fighting Legion. It all equaled death in the end so I'm guessing he didn't care.
He's still the single worst retcon in anything I've ever seen, ever. A truly awful creation that manages to retroactively ruin everything in the entire franchise.

>>716254812
>don it himself like a dipshit?
it wouldn't fit over his horns

>>716251437 (OP)
It didn't

>>716251437 (OP)
I like to think that Metzin fired him personally.

this game has lore worth keeping up with?

>>716261839
wow's lore was never amazing but it was at least somewhat coherent.
now it's completely fucking nonsense, nonstop retcons that would make the elderscrolls blush, and faggotry.

>>716261839
Lol no. It's an absolute, unmitigated disaster. A holocaust of retarded writing.
Unsalvageable.
You'd be better off getting invested in the lore of SWAT Kats

>>716251437 (OP)
WoW lore is shit who the fuck cares.

>>716261839
Not at all. Maybe earlier. As the MMO got older the developers gayer and the players both they just made up the dumbest shit they could think of and shit it out.

>>716261775
>danuser is gone
rest in piss kek
too bad that people left at blizzard are probably even worse

>>716262452
He's gone... to Fortnite. Timmy thought he would be the perfect guy to be in charge of Fortnite's... "writing."

>>716251437 (OP)
the lore is being written by lobotomy patients. ignore it. stop playing blizzard games entirely. they don't deserve your custom.

>>716262741
western gamedev really is a nepotistic shithole like hollywood

We can't let the Jailor get the Sigils... if he does... he'll... do something bad...

people care about wows story post legion? the only reason to play wow still is m+ and raids

>>716251437 (OP)
did they retcon this shit yet

>>716253664
I even liked her in BfA up until the duel with Saurfang or a little before that. We had some fun theorycrafting trying to make her work.

>>716263303
They mostly try to ignore it as much as possible.

>>716263303
They're trying to memoryhole it. The only part about SL that gets brought up is Anduin getting mindfucked.

>>716265493
the brokers and tazavesh

>>716265493
next patch in 2 weeks literally brings back the brokers/ethereals and shadowlands dungeons

warcraft should have more sex and less autistic afterlife robots.

The Jailor is Blizzard outwardly mocking the people that kept playing WoW past WotLK wrapping up the story of WC3.

>>716261839
Earlier stuff is good for what it is. A rock and roll esque high fantasy where rule of cool led the way of thinking. Literally a perfect world for a DnD adventure.

Anything made in the last decade is some of the very worst any media has to offer

>>716266995
They were so fucking lazy lmao.

>>716265779
>>716266995
The Ethereal shit predates Shadowlands, and that element of Shadowlands was very loosely tied in.

>>716261839
At one time it was pretty cool. Started going off the rails with Warlords of Draenor. Legion felt like it almost should have ended the whole franchise, and then we get rushed into some bullshit nuLore thought up by a fat retard that should have never made it past being an intern.

>>716269362
You are fucking coping out of your mind dude.

>>716269882
They're literally from The Burning Crusade.

>>716270153
Brokers and Tazavesh aren't.

>>716270192
Can't throw that stuff out at this point, and that has nothing to do with why people don't like Shadowlands anyway.

>>716261839
At this point? Lol "But it was actually [new villain] that was behind it" is a plot point you can use to answer nearly any clear cut conflict that was presented in the games, books, or other media.

It's actually worse than Terminator or Predator or any other media franchise, including Disney Star Wars.

It did like one great story and that was Prince Arthas in WC3-Frozen Throne. They couldn't even handle his Lich King conclusion properly, it ended in the expansion.

Just look at that and call it a day. Only other thing worth talking about here is Assumi.

>>716270278
Shadowlands as a whole is an abortion. Anything that evokes it is a mistake.
More Broker assets being present in K'aresh than Ethereal ones and retconning Brokers as just Ethereals in different suits is pure laziness.

>>716267605
wow ended with legion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiRFbU3VoWc

>>716270278
Anyone who played Shadowlands has no fucking idea why "people" hated it, you had to be an epitome of the problems with WoW if you were still playing it by that point.

>>716271828
WotLK*
Fuck off with your goalpost movement.

>>716251437 (OP)
Its very simple ok
You watching....
WoW writing..... is trash
There

>>716272156
1. it raped the lore
2. it raped the lore for a shitty bald man and ugly annoying nasally zombie cunt
3. 9 months between 1 patch and the next and that next patch was godawful and uninspired slop
4. controversy about blizzard employees raping women that led to aforementioned 9 months wait time between patch
5. subsequent damage control after rape controversy by neutering every little fun or remotely risque quest name, flirt/joke line, piece of dialogue, npc name, etc. down to changing a "your mother" joke

>>716272552
wotlk was dogshit grandpa, classic proved it

>>716270278
Nah dude, it absolutely matters. When you take designs and aesthetics that were unique to Ethereals and just slap a slightly different filter on them to make Brokers, you're not expanding the lore - you're diluting it. Shadowlands didn’t fail because people couldn’t accept new ideas. It failed because those ideas were shallow, derivative, and lazily tied into the existing universe. People wanted answers and progression, not some half-baked cosmic MS Paint tier faction war between bald dudes and Time Etsy merchants.

>>716274976
You know that they just made Brokers literally just an Ethereal skin to be lazy and reuse Shadowlands Broker assets.
K'aresh has more Broker shit than Ethereal shit, and most of it is reused assets.

Talking about WoW on 4chan is pointless. I can literally have a less repetitive discussion with an 8B LLM.

>>716272907
dude Sylvanas has massive boobs