Why were overtly Japanese games, not just unfashionable, but outright maligned in the mid 2000s through to the early 2010s?

It's well documented that Japanese developers in general found the switch to HD development in the seventh console generation extremely challenging, which contributed to industry veterans like Inafune and Kojima openly saying that Japanese publishers needed to look Westward for the future of development, but it was open season on them in the gaming media as well.

>>716269343 (OP)
because the advertising machine wanted to drive you towards the games that their clients paid them for.

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>>716269343 (OP)
why were gooks unable to get into HD?

>>716269343 (OP)
it's really simple. games press was paid by publishers in north america and europe

Japanese games suck

Vanquish was great though, only bad thing about that game was the boss fights

>>716269343 (OP)
Because game journalists are fucking RETARDED CASUALS

>>716269343 (OP)
Because the people writing that shit were retarded faggots writing whatever their bought out bosses told them to.

>>716269343 (OP)
It was a thing before that and it's still a thing now. Americans are just incredibly racist.

>>716269343 (OP)
I'd reckon the increasing popularity of Western games at the time made them cocky, thinking they had the industry down pat, same as Hollywood with movies. Also, it was the peak "weird Japan" era at the time. You know how sometimes people take jokes too seriously; it's that, but with the media seeing Japan as this weird country and it drips into their views.

>>716269343 (OP)
Call me a fag but I thought this at the time and still do - there was a element of racism to it. Racism against East Asians is often excused and considered no big deal because of the "model minority" thing.

The western devs and the western journalists were all in bed together. They still are.
It's easy to demonize a japanese developer who wont talk to you and lionize a western one who will

>>716270209
I mean Adam Sessler wasn't exactly being subtle about it back then.

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>>716270002
They would bring up "lol tentacle rape used panty vending machine" when playing the most innocuous anime game. It was genuinely racist

>>716269643
Probably a combination of the PS3 having esoteric architecture and the 360 not having great documentation in Japanese.

>>716269343 (OP)
https://youtu.be/yKUGwlFJAHw

The early 2010s is when a lot of game "journalists" were trying to elevate games as an art form in order to make their dead end career paths more respectable. That's why we got things like Adam Sessler's "gut punch of misogyny" and Jason Shrier calling the sorceress from Dragon's Crown loli-bait. They all saw Japanese games as juvenile because they were still being made by people who wanted to make games fun.

>>716270428
Fucking this

>>716270428
It goes back way further than the 2010s, someone post Keighley's essay seething about Mario Sunshine not moving the medium forward

>>716270209
Yes it was racism lmao. I mean all of the anti-japanese bias was based on it because it was always making fun of their culture. Even in games that were not about little girl baka hentai or whatever. They'd see a little fanservice and go on a tirade against the Japanese.
Meanwhile, western films like Transformers had women bending over to show off their ass on camera and while a few people complained it was still widely accepted. So basically western fanservice/sexuality = good, eastern = bad.

>>716270428
Yeah this is the same era that gave us "boss fights are too video gamey".
Not just journos but the whole industry got co-opted by people who thought they were above the medium.

>>716269343 (OP)
they need it now because the new audience after gamergate didn't know much about nip games. after all the heavily advertised western AAA trash, they needed something fresh and new to give to them and those were nip games
>nier automata
>MHW
>persona 5
were the earlier ones and they had big screen TV ads inside gamestop with a woman promoting the game. woman promoter = it's okay and totally not weird and creepy since a woman is talking good about it

these are the things you need to notice, /v/

>>716270369
>lol tentacle rape used panty vending machine
Lmao I love how quaint that talking point is now. Thanks to social media exposure everyone has gotten weirder than Japan since then.

>>716269343 (OP)
This was the time when gaming journalists were starting to be the type of people who would get irrationally angry at boobs, but don't mind playing around with semen in their mouths if you ejaculate in them by accident.

>>716269643
Bloated costs and them still being stuck with PS2 polygon counts.

>>716270668
A lot of it too is that anime is mainstream popular with teens and kids now thanks to how easily accessible it is via streaming. They don't have to go trawling the internet for fansubbed TV rips or have to hunt down import tapes/DVDs in Chinatown like we did

>>716270668
nah Nintendo more or less killed the games journalists industry by having Nintendo Directs
Zoomers don't really understand this but it used to be rare to get news straight from the game companies themselves and it was always filtered through people like the guy in the OP who would just editorialize and trash Japanese games so hard most people would just assume they're shit and never even try them

>>716269343 (OP)
Wow, Arthur looks like shit now a days. Shouldn't be surprising given how much he was an asshat 13 years ago, but still.

>>716269343 (OP)
I'd like vanquish a lot more if you could melee without blowing all your meter

>>716269776
Nah, the bad thing about it was it wasn't sure if it wasn't to be Gears or CUHRAZEE ACTION GAMEd.

Timer for the slow mo should've been a little longer and let you refill it a la Max Payne's headshots in New York Minute mode.

Most Japanese devs were resistant to the rising costs of game development. The 7th generation was really when costs started getting really bloated. Only a handful of Japanese devs went all in on HD development, while most others tried to keep their budgets as sane as possible.

Even now, most Japanese devs still try to keep costs down. Only companies like Square-Enix really bought into the "Our games need to cost a gorillion dollars to make!" meme.

>>716269343 (OP)
It was during a time where being "Very Japanese" often meant being highly stylized and flashy without as much substance. It's how they wanted to take advantage of the increased performance and ability to render/depict things, and it's kinda just their own fault for it.

>>716269343 (OP)
I'm not sure why they did it, but I do know this was an exclusively American thing. I've never seen this level of, in my opinion, unjustified hostility towards Japanese games.

>Literally zero mentions of the (early) phone and iPad markets retarding development because everyone thought they were the next big thing

That and handheld development held back AAA games because the costs were so much lower

>>716271538
I'd rather play Chaos Rings than any SE game released after 2020

>>716271202
This. The 3DS and Vita had such strong support from Japanese devs because the dev costs were comparable to 5th or 6th gen titles, which was a boon for various smaller studios that couldn't afford the jump to HD. Even now you still see a bunch of smaller Japanese devs making games exclusively for the Switch and (and maybe PC these days) because of the lower costs.

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>>716271945

Rising costs contributed to a strong "we have to crack America!" mentality (obviously China wasn't relevant in the conversation yet because consoles were still banned) which resulted in things like MGS4 having its controls reworked to appeal to Western sensibilities fairly late in development and bad ripoffs of American games with shit like Koei Tecmo's Quantum Theory.

>>716272021
patrick klepeck btw

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panty quest

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>>716269343 (OP)
Amerimutts got cocky with the success of the 360 back then and thought they wuz back to being kangz like in the Atari era. Fast forward to today and Microshart is almost out of business. They didn't even last a single generation.

>>716272772
never had xbox, but they had a huge deal with a big nip publisher for xbox 360

>>716272676
qrd?

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>>716269343 (OP)
It's because you didn't recognize game journos as the an extension of the advertisement department of western publishers, which they are. Japanese devs and publishers don't give the journos kick backs, nor hire their friends, nor push their trendy Californian politics (at the time). They hated Japanese games, because they were Japanese, it had nothing to do with the games. They were outside the influence of western journos and gave no benefits to them, it really is as simple as that.

>>716269343 (OP)
Arthur Gies is prob one of the biggest faggots that has ever graced the journalist profession. He's pretentious as fuck, absolutely sucks at video games (The notorious polygon doom gameplay was him) and really bought into the white self hating meme so bad he wanted to quit his job to make room for "Someone who isn't white".

Pretty much the biggest onions faggot I've ever had to listen to.

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>>716272728
This interview was what made a lot of people for the first time realize those Anita videos were actually having an impact on the industry.

Who was the little rat who ran that interview anyway? It was Klepek wasn't it?

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>>716273072
Klepek never worked at RPS, as far as I remember.

>>716270559
> someone post Keighley's essay seething about Mario Sunshine not moving the medium forward
I would like to see this too.

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>>716273072
Klepek was the one who had an argument with David Jaffe because Jaffe said in a preview for twisted metal reboot that if you let your gf beat you in the game she might give you a blowjob and kotaku milked like ten stories about sexism in videogames out of that offhand joke

>>716273020
that's hilarious. they disabled the comments and dislike button: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yYp8ZeQ-I8

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>>716272926
Ninja theory thanked them for their 9/10 review before the review even came out

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>>716273415
Double checked, it was Nathan Grayson sorry.

Might well be the same person to be fair though lol

>>716272926
paid reviews. ninja theory started thanking journos directly and referencing their review scores except this outlet hadn't even released their review yet somehow they knew exactly what score they were going to get.

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>>716273242
Could only find this. It's a kinda dumb and low effort review but not that offensive.

>>716273603
cheers, anon.

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>>716271014
This. As much as I miss E3 it was a press and retailer show once the big 3 realized they didn't need either of them anymore it was over for "exclusive" access for the "press".

>>716272772
360 was a western dominated era because the PS3 was a huge flop at the starting line and most Japanese publishers panicked and started to try to make western-style games and they mostly sucked. Complete garbage era of games and any retard on utube crying about modern games grew up in this era guaranteed. The 8th gen is far away better if you have any taste at all.

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>>716273654
I don't have a picture of it but here's the pastebin
https://pastebin.com/wxMWac3w

>>716271538
>phone and iPad markets retarding development because everyone thought they were the next big thing
they were right, mobile games rake in cash like crazy

>>716273528
Oh the whole reason D44M even got a demo was because the Polygon footage went viral and Bethesda didn't want people thinking it was an accurate representation of what the game was actually like.

Arthur Gies' Nioh review for Polygon was also a bit infamous. He took eight hours to finish the fishing village stage, finished the game in 100 hours (for those who don't know, pre-DLC it was a 30-40 hour game tops, MAYBE 50 if you're not very good) and it turned out he was actually co-oping the whole game with another Polygon staffer. And even after all that he had to delay his review by a week because he hadn't finished it in time. The cherry on top was that the guy who reviewed it for Siliconera appeared in the Polygon comments section and was clowning on him lmao

>>716269343 (OP)
You can only play so many 3-4 bros in a row JRPGs before the formula gets repetitive and old.

>>716270559
the ironic thing about that is that sunshine did move mario forward in that direction, to arguably a far an extent degree. every individual mission of a level is exhaustively detailed with dozens of individual npcs having a unique line of text on the current scenario, and each scenario builds on the one before it. for a fucking platformer it was a pretty ambitious story system that they absolutely did not need to bother with.

>>716269343 (OP)
casuals got into the market and they hate giting gud
This lasted until dark souls made giting gud cool again somehow

>>716273935
And yet you can play plenty of guy with gun games, curious.

>>716269343 (OP)
Microsoft had* their finger in every major game journalist pie and after the failure of Xbox to adapt to the Japanese market, they paid a bunch of them to shit on the Japanese side of the industry as a whole.

*(they still do but its not as important to them)

>>716273840
Based. Good job

Why do weebs pretend japs arent the same way? They rate a lot of western stuff as mediocre and only praise their own. Meanwhile there is a literal cult here in the west dedicated to Nintendo and anime.

>>716273927
i honestly can't imagine it was a male playing that. it genuinely looks like how a teenage girl would play it

>>716274182
I don't think they were neccesarily paid, but there was this idea that Japanese games were outdated, out of touch, and only appealed to weird smelly nerds. OUR games were mainstream, cutting edge, and much more exciting. It had a bit of the jock bullying the nerd, and the 00s gaming press really did try to cozy up to jock types (Halo and sports games were the biggest sellers).

Strange, because at this time the Wii and NDS were literally the BIGGEST consoles, but they weren't the most impressive. They didn't fit in with American "gaming culture", and seemed backwards instead. They were for KIDS, or losers or weirdos.

>>716272676
gamergate was right

>>716274178
gun games have more variety and innovation, even battle royale is relatively new. Meanwhile jrpgs still play the same use the same ugly graphics.

>>716269343 (OP)
cause jap games dominated for so long that the new-gen thing was to hate on them. its not that complicated.

>>716274560
You are ignorant on this subject.

>>716274380
Yep, it's a professional reviewer, not you handing your controller over to your girlfriend or sister who don't give a fuck about games just so you can laugh at them struggling with the camera for a few minutes.

Remember Dean Takahashi's Doom Eternal footage? Wasn't much better.

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All retarded posts.
The actual reason was that Japanese games shot themselves in the foot for that entire period in the western market.
>most big new titles were relegated to handheld or last gen when released in English (Trails and Disgaea come to mind)
>Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey being exclusive to a console owned by people who had zero interest in Japanese games
>a majority of titles that actually made it to the Japanese centric platform of the time, PS3, were alienating shit like Valkyria Chronicles, which most people just thought was weird
And to top it all off
>Final Fantasy, the big "Fuck you, Japanese games are important" franchise that dominated with 7, 8, 9, and 10 is getting a hyped new entry
>FF13 is quite possibly one of the most anticipated games of its day right next to the IDEA of an FF7 remake
>confusing fucking hype cycle where they announce it'll have two sequels and also announce FFXIV before it even comes out
>game comes out
>it's a dogshit "RPG" with barely any real exploration, a shit story, and flat/unlikable characters
>drenched in all the most common of Japanese tropes
>people hate it
>people hate the fact that it's what FF will HAVE to be for the next five years since 2(+2) more games were already planned
>XIV comes out, maybe that'll save FF
>it's literally the worst shit ever and gets canned a year into its existence

Add into that other factors
>weeaboos were basically just bronies but for Japanese cartoons and fucking everyone hated them
>most gamers were interested in multiplayer focused games, which Japanese games outside of fightans rarely had
>the majority of Japanese attempts at other genres came off as weird or outright unappealing to play
Like, you know something has gone wrong when the two most well received Japanese titles of that era were a fucking Yoko Taro game (Nier) and a Dragon Quest game. People need to stop acting like the world was against Japan for no reason.

>>716270628
And here we are.

>>716274643
Wow someone who was actually alive at the time. The zoomers won't be happy with you

>>716269343 (OP)
Plain boomer racism

Nowadays they nuthug specific Jap games and Jap devs

>>716274178
Nah, that shit got boring too.

>>716269343 (OP)
It was Westerners coping at their inability to make games with good gameplay.

>>716273817
you don't consider 7th gen the modern era?

>>716274643
this boils down to the new final fantasy was bad
another problem was that a lot of nip studios were trying to appeal to the west by copying the west (and failing), like capcom was just having a fit that entire generation

>>716274603
japanese stuff is corny most of the time and new devs werent pretending to like it anymore.

>its racism
>its the jews

ok

>>716270209
saying a game is very Japanese isn't any more racist that saying a game is very French or British. In the 360 era it was a synonym for "backwards" and arcadey, prior to that era it was a synonym for "strange". The dislike of Japanese games was just due to simple cultural differences and bad taste. arthur gies is a bit of a different case because he is a hyper woke retard who began to associate anime with social media nazis and hated Japanese games for having attractive women in it.

>>716275104
bro... the 360 was 20 years ago...

>>716269343 (OP)
Name 3 Japanese games that were unfairly criticized in this time period.

I wonder if the indie boom made people realize gameplay centric games were cool and went back to appreciating japanese design even slightly

>>716275208
bro.. the ps4 was 12 years ago...

>>716274643
Despite that, they had big hits:
>RE5
>Monster Hunter games
>The Wii
>The NDS
>MGS4 (despite being a narraitve mess, sold a lot AND had a killer multiplayer mode everyone liked)
>Gran Turismo 5/6
>Dark Souls
>Demon's Souls

Out of the top 11 PS3 games that sold the most, 6 were Japanese. Almost 50%.

>>716275271
every game that didn't get 10/10 was unfairly undervalued by jealous baka gaijin.

>the people pulling their eyes back going CHING CONG WING WONG ME RIKEY VIDEO GAME are trying to be moral nannies on Twitter
Never not hilarious. I'm an oldfag who remembers watching this shit and being weirded out by their insane hostility to Japanese games for no reason. Just the usual MaddenCOD fags from a different era

>>716274835
nigger he's ranting about FFXIII that came out in 2010, which came out long after most of the big hitters from that generation.
Just retarded babble.
Rockstar, EA Sports and Call of Duty dominated that generation and anything that wasn't le serious business like them were clowned on by journalists (and most of the public too, let's be real) as being for kids or weirdos. This was back when it was normal to call things gay and nothing was gayer than the protagonists of most japanese games

>>716275271
demon's souls went from demonized by everyone in the industry including shuhei yoshida, to the most influential game of the last 16 years, think about that

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>>716272728
God these game journalists were so fucking embarrassing. As soon as their views were confronted they crumbled, the thought that 70iq high school drop out Americans were dictating creative decision making as far as japan is crazy.

>>716275138
>this boils down to the new final fantasy was bad
I mean, yeah. That was a huge deal for Japanese games at the time.
Final Fantasy used to be THE Japanese game, you guys really could not understand it unless you were there. Final Fantasy was the landmark title that defined PlayStation's (brief) takeover of the console industry next to Metal Gear and was synonymous with what video games *could* be.
FF13 being bad and sucking ass was an existential crisis for FF, since they had a near decade long roadmap all about 13, as well as one for Japanese games, since 13 was all the complaints people on forums were already making about them but CONSTANTLY and for FOURTY HOURS OF GAMEPLAY.
>>716275348
>RE5
That was aping western trends and that is responsible for a good chunk of its success, same with RE6. Bro-op games were in.
>Monster Hunter
Yeah, but handheld is not the main scene (inb4 Tri).
>The Wii
A relentlessly mocked console by "real gamers" for the reason that it was a baby's toy with baby games.
>The NDS
Yeah sure, but again, not the main scene.
>MGS4
People loved it at the time. Hating its narrative being the dominant opinion came around 2011-12.
>Gran Turismo 5/6
You're reaching.
>Dark Souls
Yeah sure.
>Demon's Souls
You're full of shit. Demon's Souls was only popular here.
>6 were Japanese. Almost 50%.
I actually only count five, and they play into what I'm saying.
3 racing games most people don't even know are Japanese made.
TWO incredibly hyped landmark sequels to games that saw their big boost on the PSX and PS2.
That's not good for Japanese games, that's just legacy franchise shit.
You know what I do see here though?
Two bran new IPs dominating the list. Uncharted and The Last of Us. God of War going from a PS2 late arrival to a dominant market force. A licensed Batman game of all things challenging a major legacy IP and beating another.

>>716274643
>most big new titles were relegated to handheld or last gen when released in English (Trails and Disgaea come to mind)
>Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey being exclusive to a console owned by people who had zero interest in Japanese games
This is true. The ballooning costs of game development hit the Japanese industry hard.
>a majority of titles that actually made it to the Japanese centric platform of the time, PS3, were alienating shit like Valkyria Chronicles, which most people just thought was weird
Partially true. A lot of these titles were really good though. Bayonetta, Devil May Cry 4, Folklore, Tales of Vesperia, Resident Evil 5, Demon's Souls, MGS4, Yakuza 3/4, Vanquish, etc. Not my fault game journalists have shit tastes and got the "ick" the moment they saw something anime-adjacent.

The Japanese console industry having a rough stretch and Game Journalists being retarded normalfags are both simultaneously true.

A lot of the quality Japanese games released on Wii, DS, and PSP and were routinely ignored and dismissed as "lesser" compared to the blockbuster games on PS3/360. Hell, even into the 2010s 3DS and Vita games didn't game the same level of coverage. Fantastic handheld games people hold in incredibly high regard today (Radiant Historia, Ghost Trick, Etrian Odyssey, Virtue's last Reward, etc.) always got like 1/4th of the reviews of contemporary console shit that journalists actually cared about

>>716272196
Computer, post the Simpsons joke.

>>716274643
You are right but you are forgetting the other big Japanese company previously loved by the west Capcom went full retard and made dogshit games emulating what they saw on the 360 but worse. Bionic Commando, DmC , Dark Void, Remember Me, and RE6 all garbage.

>>716275104
No I don't. Most of the "peak" games of that era have been forgotten. I doubt people under 20 have even heard of Bioshock much less played it. When it came out people treated it like it was the greatest game ever made but it was just a product of its time and its time has long passed.

>>716274419
Kinda funny looking it in hindsight considering the journos changed their tune almost immediately on the jock/dudebros persona couple years later.

>>716275713
Because it was Japanese? Or because tastes have changed and it flew under the radar on a console with "no games" until it was noticed because of the attention its 'sequels' received?

>>716273840
nice. thank you, anon.

>>716272772
P.C. gaming on Windows is winning while Sony is circling the drain.

>>716269343 (OP)
Japs move it when their games are ultra difficult just because. It's a genetic thing, i suppose...

>>716269343 (OP)
Because they're often repetitive, clunky, and irritatingly punitive. Thanks for asking.

>>716275743
Demon's sold 1.7 on the PS3, more than Heavenly Sword, and the PS3 edition of Red Dead Redemption (granted most played the 360 version).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_3_video_games

Keiji inafune fucked up, because he saw Heavenly Sword as this advanced game and Capcom needs to work with Ninja Theory to make the next Devil may Cry games because Japanese games are DEAD.

If Inafune knew a damn thing about gaming, he'd ahve seen the potential with Demon's Souls and the back to basics gameplay focus it featured. It even had a level select system inspired by mega Man.

>>716275978
ds only exists because demons souls exploded in popularity among players, journalists hated it at first because it wasn't hand holdy like western games at the time

>>716275831
>Bayonetta, Devil May Cry 4, Folklore, Tales of Vesperia, Resident Evil 5, Demon's Souls, MGS4, Yakuza 3/4, Vanquish, etc. Not my fault game journalists have shit tastes and got the "ick" the moment they saw something anime-adjacent.
Most of those games were disliked for reasons shared between journos and normal players.
Hell, a lot of these were not even acknowledged by normal players. Yakuza 3/4 did so poorly that the series almost died for good in the west outside of a singular zombie shooter spin-off, and again, Demon's Souls was only popular on this site. Dark Souls is the one that took off.
>3DS and Vita games didn't game the same level of coverage.
Well, that's more because those were considered dead platforms. People might think that was misguided, but you have to remember that the 3DS's first year really made it seem like it was fucking over.
>>716275908
>Capcom went full retard and made dogshit games emulating what they saw on the 360 but worse.
That's mostly because games like RE and DMC were basically saving Capcom, and those games were designed to appeal to a global (particularly western) audience. That combined with Inafune's misguided speculations led to more investment in producing titles that involved western business practices or outright western developers (Lost Planet and Dead Rising come to mind).
It was to the point where, had RE6 not been a massive failure, RE7 was gonna be more like Call of Duty, complete with a focus on microtransactions.
>>716276153
I imagine a large chunk of DeS' sales were down to Japan, since at the time that was where all of FromSoft's non-AC notoriety came from.

I remember a lot of people sucking off Okami and that was aggressively japanese

>>716276153
PS3 was a distant second to 360 for 90% of the console generation and only caught up after the release of Xbone/PS4 so looking at sales numbers like this are misleading

>>716275978
Tastes changed to be more open to Japanese games because western games became more shit. When the west started pivoting to live service slop and away from single player games people started looking elsewhere. A lot of Soulsfags didn't play Japanese games until recently you can tell by how hyperbolic they are about From Software yet they never played Armored Core and didn't know about their bad Ninja Gaiden ripoff.

>>716274919
This, even with popular shit if it wasn't dragon ball liking anime would get you bullied lol

>>716270410
Phil Fish is genuinely one of the most punchable faggots I've ever seen

>>716276215
they still hate it, but common consensus is just too strong, they just take begruding snipes at FROM now.

>>716276390
6th gen game bro, didn't even get a hd port until 8th gen

>>716273817
>8th gen is far away better if you have any taste at all.
Anyone who disagree's with this doesn't remember just how shit the back half of the 7th gen was. Franchises dying or become casualized left and right, every other game being COD slop, failed reboots etc

>>716271861
nier sucks ass and im tired of pretending its good

>>716276487
he had such an ego for a man who didn't even make the One Game he was involved with, he just took all the credit and did all the expo tours and held up the awards, meanwhile the guy who actually made the game fucking hated him and they parted ways and woudn't you know it, Fish bailed on the entire industry.

this was after like 5 years of non-stop bullshit.

>>716276581
Was 2006 not the mid 2000s? What generation is the OP referring to?

>>716276294
>Hell, a lot of these were not even acknowledged by normal players. Yakuza 3/4 did so poorly that the series almost died for good in the west outside of a singular zombie shooter spin-off, and again, Demon's Souls was only popular on this site. Dark Souls is the one that took off.
It's chicken and egg. Journalists had shit tastes didn't generate any excitement for these games, contributing to low sales as they went ignored by casuals.

Compare the vibes around Demons Souls in 2009 and today. In 2009 the game didn't excite game journalists (because they're normalfag niggers) and it had a soft reception. After Dark Souls came out and fans made the series more popular, suddenly journalist's palates start to change and the games start reviewing better.

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>>716275978
Obviously not the same, but you can see a lot of overlap with Monster Hunter and Demon's Souls because they were very gameplay focused titles when the rest of the AAA industry was moving away from that.

Sony in their infinite wisdom completely didn't care about the game, so they let Namco take over the spiritual successor Dark Souls, which was a suprise hit for the 360 and PC, and it just took off from there. If Demon's Souls got 360/PC release it would have sold probably another 3 million copies.

This is ultimately a GOOD thing for Fromsoft, because if it was a Sony controlled series, they would have throttled it, and it woudl have died.

>>716269343 (OP)
>Embargo
Were journalists not allowed to say bad things about games at launch?

>>716276390
That was a cinematic movie game
>>716269343 (OP)
"repetitive" is a one of the code words. It means the reviewer is really really bad at the game and couldn't get past the beginning. Usually it means the game is challenging and good

>>716270209
Westoids have been seething for over 49 years because they killed the video game industry and Nintendo saved it.

>>716276631
I still have no idea why he was hyped the way he was back then. He was already in the spotlight, joining the conferences with other devs, talking like the singular authority of the industry and Fez hadn't even come out yet.

>>716276706
>Journalists had shit tastes didn't generate any excitement for these games, contributing to low sales as they went ignored by casuals.
Nah, I'd say a lot of those were destined for critical failure even without journalist input or even with praise.
People were simply not ready for some of these games. Yakuza is definitive proof of that- first one had some pretty damn high production values for a localized title, got pretty good reviews from what I recall, and nobody gave a shit, and nobody cared for the next few years either. It was only with Zero that that changed, and that was because what a lot of people were wanting on the PS4 was more potentially unique singleplayer experiences.

>>716276545
From Software games are repetitive trash and should be gone after harder than they used to do to Dynasty Warriors
But shitting on souls slop is just asking for discord trannies to send you death threats so none of them do it

>>716275743
>RE5
>That was aping western trends
lol retard

>>716272772
God intended American game development to be smaller teams making PC games. This is just a natural correction.

>>716276424
You mean nuFromfags. Soulsfags moved onto greener pastures with other soulslikes. Those that stayed behind now have to eat slop like Nightreign and Duskbloods which are live service slop. Shit went full circle.

instead of racism against japanese games from game journos we now get racism against chinese games

>>716276937
Re5 came out 3 years after Gears Of War lol

>>716276879
he's friends with that entire Portland/Seattle/San Fran scene, the journo's the Indie Devs, and the actual industry.

that's it, him and Zoe were just in the clique, a bunch of rich kids fucking around, if we slide the timescale back 30 years they'd be bullies in a different way, just how that sort of coastal elite bored rich kid shit is.

>>716277084
The yellow peril cycle begins again. China is the new Japan now that Japan has been neutered.

>>716276937
Yeah, it was.
It went all in on the bro-op trend- why do you think you only have a live inventory, even in singleplayer? Why do you think it has that awkward and boring turret section?
Why do you think it had so much DLC, including a DLC multiplayer versus mode? Why do you think it crippled itself to make room for all of this (pre-coop RE5 was basically a completely different game where the only retained ideas are a few characters (namely Chris, Jill, Sheva, Wesker) and the Africa setting)?
Even just look at the raw gameplay of RE5, how Chris' aiming isn't restricted like Leon's- he can't move and shoot, but he doesn't snap back like Leon would in RE4.

These are all RE5 aping western trends, and this would feed into RE6, which itself was criticized for taking inspiration from Call of Duty (to the point releasing adjacent to CoD and Battlefield, hoping to be a competitor).

>>716276935
lol I don't care what you say buddy, I've been a FROM cultist since Armored Core 1, they make games for me, and only me.

you can just not play my game.

>>716276795
>Monster Hunter and Demon's Souls because they were very gameplay focused titles
When you compare them to the rest of Capcom and From games, they have the distinction of being among the least gameplay focused titles from those developers. They are RPG focused and RPGs are compatible with the western media's ideal of games as an experience. Capcom and From and jap devs in general usually design their games as a measure of the player's performance and their outlier games are the ones that got shilled

>>716277306
lol

>>716277173
The overton window shifted. Now japs make movie games too and the chinks also make movie games but instead of wokeslop they put in le edgy normal female figure

>>716269343 (OP)
japanese games are woke and feminine, which is why there's more troons now because of their growing popularity as the male population troons out.

>>716276215
Most established reviewers actually rated DeS extremely high from the get go.You can look it up on metacritic to this day. The oh so wise indie reviewers like zero punctuation were the ones who had to be "persuaded" into liking it.

Case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5u_LrqmPo

Not to blow IGN or their ilk but this was a clear case of the "gamers" not getting it. And a huge part of the current souls community never really did when you look at how they defend fast travel, respeccing and constantly pretend these games are about combat first.

I would even dare to say, even Fromsoft itself misses the point and I theorize the minds who made DeS good were at Studio Japan. Especially when you look at Bloodborne

>>716274643
>which Japanese games outside of fightans rarely had
This. I don’t think it’s an accident that one Japanese game that managed to be a massive hit in that era was Street Fighter IV.

>>716277504
truly the Lost Art of Demon Souls

>>716269343 (OP)
Antijapan psyops funded by USAID money, what else.

>>716274643
Dude they rated God Hand a 3/10 and God of War a 10/10. If those scores were swapped gaming would be in a much better place right now

>>716277858
>they
One reviewer from one outlet gave God Hand a 3/10 yeah. That didn't really change anything, gaming wouldn't be in any different place had he given it a 10 or whatever, simply because God Hand was not a game that was going to be a major success.

>>716277504
I’m pretty sure Gamespot even gave had it as their GotY.
>Not to blow IGN or their ilk but this was a clear case of the "gamers" not getting it
I’ve come to realize that gamers are just as stupid as journos are.

>>716277858
Have you ever thought God hand wasn't that very good?

>>716278013
Die, jew ape.

>>716277858
You’re delusional. The scores are totally irrelevant. God Hand might be fucking awesome but it also looks like cheap shovelware garbage at first glance while GoW looked *money*.
The gaming industry is driven largely by sales and revenue, not review scores.

>>716277858
People still talk about god of war today while god hand is completely forgotten. That's the correct score.

>>716274643
>Pretend the world was against Japan for no reason
>Provides no reason beyond, "Everyone just hated Japan by principle"

Also really fucked up that someone called you a "REAL OLDFAG" when you're talking about the fucking PS3 and 360 and the subject was the fucking 2010's.

>>716269343 (OP)
Industry plants per usual

>>716277504
>Not to blow IGN or their ilk but this was a clear case of the "gamers" not getting it. And a huge part of the current souls community never really did when you look at how they defend fast travel, respeccing and constantly pretend these games are about combat first.

Yeah, they actually want a strict formula and conventions instead of any deviation. Demon's is very experimental, and you'd never see them try half of the things there with any of the new games.

Dark Souls was misunderstood as "one of the hardest games ever", but it is also an RPG so you can just grind better shit to overcome anything, meaning it has an edge on something like Ninja Gaiden. It's actually more accessible that way.

>I would even dare to say, even Fromsoft itself misses the point and I theorize the minds who made DeS good were at Studio Japan. Especially when you look at Bloodborne

Oh miyazaki KNOWS, and to him he made his dream games already and everything else is just business. He knows what the fans want, and is continually giving them mroe and more of it.

Japan Studio from what I heard was mostly on the programming side, helping with the engine and such.

>>716278013
>God Hand was not a game that was going to be a major success.
I like it and most of the people on this board can agree it's better than God of War. I'm using it as one example. A small group of people who sucked at games and had trash tastes completely controlled the narrative and impacted the decisions of devs and publishers.

Back then alternative media was limited. There was no youtube or user reviews. If IGN said something was shit then you had no way of knowing better. The words of these arbitrary retards influenced hundreds of millions of dollars in sales and completely altered the industry towards their gay ideals.

>>716278120
>The gaming industry is driven largely by sales and revenue, not review scores.
Sales and revenue are largely driven by review scores, even more so before the smart phone era

Japanese media in general is very self-indulgent compared to American media. It doesn't have this weird hangup about having to be deep or legitimize itself to tryhard pseuds who don't give a fuck. They just like certain things and make things for other people who like those things. The American games industry was like that briefly in the 90s on the PC side of things with Doom clones and CRPGs, but then film school rejects took over.

>>716269343 (OP) >Japanese devs struggling with the transition to 3D
>>716270428 >journalists wanting games to be "serious" and "mature", viewing Japanese games as juvenile
>>716270002 >general hatred or racism of Japanese culture and foreign things (anime style, tropes, etc)
Adding to this:
>Japanese devs hesitant to transition to 3D continued making 2D games, many of which Sony of America refused to publish on the PS1, reducing Japanese presence in the US market
>The 2D games that did make it over were typically anime styled (which had little western appeal at the time) and the victim of terrible localizations
>localizations of the era were infamously bad, and without options for original audio, killing any chance of many games succeeding or being taken seriously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bangt7d9vGA

^ All of these combined created a sort of dark ages for Japanese games in the west.

>>716270583
No...its the fact that Japan has a tradition of disgusting pedophilia.

>>716278579
>Oh miyazaki KNOWS
How do you come to this conclusion? In all interviews I read, he seems completely oblivious to what made DeS great.
The only insightful statements were about the not-understanding-english-and-having-to-fill-in-the-blanks. And maybe the story about him pushing cars over a slippery hill in the winter once.

>>716276795
>Sony in their infinite wisdom completely didn't care about the game
false, they wanted to make demons souls 2 but from software passed on sony because of they were treated poorly

here's the source: https://youtu.be/z_1tdEvkllA?si=YO2lwE22jWsIVtqn&t=6430

Whenever you get mad over a journo saying something retarded nowadays, remember that 20 years ago things were a looooot worse because people and the industry actually cared about what they had to say.

>>716278714
No they are not lol. Unless your game got 3s and 4s it doesn’t matter

>>716274643
>most gamers were interested in multiplayer focused games, which Japanese games outside of fightans rarely had
This is a good point. In the late 2000s / early 2010s online gaming was becoming huge with stuff like Call of Duty, Fifa, Madden, Halo, etc. But I struggle to think of any wildly popular Japanese multiplayer games of the era, besides maybe Mario Kart Wii and Brawl, which was trashed for terrible netcode.

>>716269343 (OP)
I agree with the twitter fag. Vanquish sucked

>>716274643
>nier
>well received
I noticed you didn't specify automata, that has to be what you're referring to because the original was retarded and nobody liked it and it flopped.

>>716279249
>they wanted to make demons souls 2 but from software passed on sony because of they were treated poorly
Yeah they were treated so poorly they made bloodborne an exclusive game for their next console in collaboration with the same sony studio that worked with them on demons souls.

>>716279514
so you think they're lying?

>>716279514
i gave you a source on the information but you rather believe your own headcanon because it's more interesting to you being snarky than accepting the truth, drink bleach

>>716276876
You are brown

>>716279704
They clearly changed their minds if they were mad at sony after demons and its kind of silly for them to have been mad when they themselves openly admit they viewed it as a failed project which they let miyazaki run wild with.

>>716279723
Okay so did sony force them to do bloodborne against their will while they still mad at them for being mistreated or? How does that work exactly? Or are we just pretending that giving sony an exclusive souls style game is just totally separate from their previous relationship over demons souls?

>>716269343 (OP)
Actual, unironic, legitimate racism (unlike most claims of racism which are bullshit). Japan was viewed as physically weak so they were attacked culturally and called lame because Americans thought they were too weak to win a football game lmao.
This shit was the canary in the coal mine for the modern retard America. They literally decided which games are good or not based on how the average Dude Bro viewed them and eventually Dude Bro became black people (what white people think black people want) and then it all went so bad that the whole industry is about to collapse because of these non-existent (black) audiences they chased after.

And it all started with listening to dude bro's about Japanese games instead of actual gaming fans. Fuck games journalists, you think you hate them but it's never enough

microsoft FUD campaign because it was the 360s big weakness

>>716278934
>How do you come to this conclusion? In all interviews I read, he seems completely oblivious to what made DeS great.
>The only insightful statements were about the not-understanding-english-and-having-to-fill-in-the-blanks. And maybe the story about him pushing cars over a slippery hill in the winter once.

He specifically cites Ico as a huge inspiration, and you can see the Ico influence all over Demon's Souls but it vanishses in later titles. He could easily make another Ico style game but chooses not to. He's a shrewd businessman, and he just lucked into a popular gameplay style by making his dream game he had in his head, while also trying to innovate gameplay conventions.

The writing and storytelling in later Souls games (especially 3 and Elden Ring) feels completely phoned in, like he doesn't care. Hint: I think it's because he doesn't care about them, and they were just paychecks.

I mean, can you blame him? His games are selling tens of millions of copies while AAA western dev games are flopping.

So I see him as knowing, and intentionally selling out a bit. My only complaint is that he didn't ensure that his games (Dark souls and Demon's Souls) got proper ports to modern consoles insead of letting Sony butcher them.

>>716269343 (OP)

>>716280157
>Okay so did sony force them to do bloodborne against their will while they still mad at them for being mistreated or? How does that work exactly?
sony offered more money and better treatment after dark souls was insanely popular

>>716273603
is this ai generated? wtf i think it is

>>716280501
Don't underestimate how low-effort game journalism was in the 2000s and early 2010s.

>>716280157
idk i don't have any source on that

>>716279912
>Racism outside of /b/
Why are you conceding?

>>716271035
uhhh anon..

>>716280501
No anon, this was called SOUL and KINO back in the olden days.

>>716280401
Point is from still gave them what they wanted immediately after dark souls, they prioritized it so much they made dark souls 2 without their now star demons souls director. It wasn't a demons souls 2 verbatim but a souls style exclusive that they wanted.

It's strange that some are shitting on the japs being unable to handle HD gaming during the PS3 era when the game this thread is about is literally one of the best looking games on the system.

>>716270209
It was and is racism

>>716270428
gawddamn, Schreier got eviscerated. Exposed for the complete fucking midwit he is. The fact that this fuckin Matzo-American still has a career in journalism to this day should tell you how bleak the future looks.

This is the internet I miss. Where it was actually populated by the well-spoken and well-educated, and they actually engaged on forums, blogs, and other early social platforms. Where you could post some entry-level critical thinking that might have made you seem smart to the normies in your irl circles, and get absolutely humbled by a dude several layers above you in terms of comprehension and intellectual discussion.

Now you have to dig deep and chisel your foot into the door of super insular communities to come across people of that caliber. Once the internet became the de facto society of the unwashed masses, it destroyed the refuge that it once offered to a demographic that didn't need a retard-compatible level of user-friendliness and ease of access.

Gatekeeping is a thankless job, but woe to any community that doesn't practice it.

t. Old man yelling at clouds

>>716281254
Well the original OP is about shitting on jap games generally and unfairly like in the case of vanquish. Whats been left out of this discussion is how these retards hyped up inafune and his idea of outsourcing to shitty western devs totally tanked a bunch of japanese games which made things even worse.

Japan = focus on arcade culture.
West = focus on computer culture.
Action games are so much better in Japan because they were in a super competitive environment. While they were learning all the fundamentals of game and level design, Westerners were making garbage, like those terrible Sierra-style adventure games, the stupidest excuse for electronic entertainment ever to emerge from this shitty industry. Western bad taste in games is insane to this day because of their bad cultural baggage. It will take 30 or 40 years for all the older generations to die off before the West finally starts filtering through the garbage it produced and begins to understand what make good games.
Until that happens, you'll see these retarded faggots using terms like "too video gamey", "too arcadey", or "too Japanese" as pejoratives.

>>716269343 (OP)
governments needed to push military recruitment numbers in the west. to accomplish this video games had to be a cool normie dudebro thing, not childish and japanese. so then young males could be funneled into military sims developed with govt support like socom, COD, battlefield, americas army, et al

>>716269343 (OP)
>He/Him

>>716281639
You think with the new push for military readiness in the west the luminescent gentlemen up above are going to force the industry to make decent FPS games again?

>>716281740
doubt they even can
call of duty of all things became first a tranny pride simulator, and then a literal goddamn fortnite clone with all the clowny cartoony skins included

>>716281119
both things can be true

>>716269718
It's ironic that he said this while basically ripping off the graphics of Cave Story

>>716281616
People still rightly shit on Inafune over it (though I get the sense most of the modern disdain for him is from jilted MN9 backers) but Kojima doesn't get enough crap for it. People always seem to forget that Mercury Steam being given Castlevania and Igarashi getting demoted into irrelevancy was largely his doing.

>>716272728
What happened to Blizzard, bros?

I remember when even moviebob was all in the "Japan Is Weird" train and he was already a pretty left leaning guy back then

I've noticed Americans have a disdain for Japan. Not just video games (which they only really accept when it's corporate garbage tailored for international consumption, like Nintendo's garbage for example), but anime and manga as well.
There must be some historical reason. Perhaps war propaganda. Or corporate lobbying that saw Japan producing better entertainment than the US in various areas (comics, games) and launched some kind of cultural campaign to try to devalue those products?

>>716269343 (OP)
The low quality of nip video game writing really started to shine when voice acting became commonplace. Shitty robotic dialogue is more tolerable in text form. But in this context, I'm pretty sure this guy is talking about the script and concept being unabashedly off kilter and goofy which popular Jap games were known for back then.

>>716278821
Between like 2006 and I'd say 2012 or so it was basically IMPOSSIBLE to find JRPGs in retailers.
That was also the time where stations like G4TV went on... weirdly racist tangents that had nothing to do with a game and framed Japanese games as cringe for the sole reason of being Japanese, constantly displaying things out of context.

Yet, when JRPGs were stocked by retailers, they sold like hotcakes. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe these games being "outdated" and "out of fashion" and "cringe" was just completely fabricated by Western retailers and the Western game industry so that they could sell their shit more.
Especially considering that beloved Western RPGs like Mass Effect BASICALLY goes with JRPG tropes for their party members but would never admit it.

Xenoblade Chronicles 1 sold SO well that it was constantly sold out ion the retail version to the point it was temporarily 200 bucks on Amazon. Nintendo's 1st full game that they sold on the E-Shop (rather than just WiiWare or Virtual Console games) was Xenoblade Chronicles for that reason.
Even though the game sold like hotcakes, retailers ordered only small amounts of extra copies.

I now 100% think that this USAID money at work to manufacture changing tides of the market just by paying off the media to frame things in their favor and pay off retailers to primarily stock their stuff and stock lower amounts of competitor products.

>>716272954
Lol, imagine being destroyed in an argument by DSP games.

>>716282476
>Xenoblade Chronicles 1 sold SO well that it was constantly sold out ion the retail version to the point it was temporarily 200 bucks on Amazon
a big reason for that is they used gamestop to publish the disc version and they deliberately fucked with supply so they could jack up the price on used copies

>>716282563
Phil's a moron but he's alarmingly the voice of reason sometimes.

He was right on the money about TPP when /v/ and the gaming media at large were still in denial about it.
https://youtu.be/z8BDAB5xF9o?si=uHcH_jlDQk6Cr52o

>>716270369
>Today I can go on the page of any random onlyfans whore and pay absurd prices for her used underwear.
>But it's the heckin japs that are the weird ones.
Don't forget, with westoids all accusations are confessions.

A nintendo thread died for this

>>716281731
This. Fuck anything this golem says

>>716272954
DSP Based as always

I'm rewatching G4TV's Persona 3 review here and holy shit, it's such a fucking time capsule, dude. The review, I mean.

>>716275648
Lightning's armpits are super gay

>>716282384
jew brainwashing, it's not rocket science

>>716282384
that's only a thing for older people who were alive during the 80s when people were freaking out about japan taking over. it's also where all of the "ew wtf japan is weird" stuff came from back in the day, the people reviewing those games were old enough to have been through the 80s japan hysteria

>>716276879
The same thing is happening with that game, Blue Prince. Its being treated as the fucking best thing ever and its...not.

>>716269343 (OP)
here's a hint
>xbox was named Project Midway during development

>>716269343 (OP)
Because they weren't good games.

Anyone disliking vanquish should be put down. /thread

>>716282384
It's the leftover of the 80s Reaganite era when Japan was supposed to overtake the US. Back then, the anti-Japanese sentiment was strongest since WW2. I suppose it never left.

>>716285805
And I mean we were at war with them only forty years before so I get why people were a bit nervous when the Japanese started buying stuff like Columbia Pictures in the States or real estate en masse in Australia

>>716282384
I think there are several angles to it.
There's the nationalistic "America #1, fuck those other weird foreign assholes" mentality, which made Americans so allergic to foreign cultures they need to dub everything and change rice balls to cookies or jelly donuts to make Japanese media more palatable.
There's the Christian soccer mom angle, combined with the "cartoons are for kids" mentality to create a deadly one-two punch of "those dirty evil Japs are marketing porn to kids" mentality that led to shit like pic related.
There's the WW2 angle, in which Japan is painted in a bad light with Pearl Harbor (provocation for the attack and America's foreknowledge of it conveniently omitted) and extra emphasis on the kamikaze attacks, making them out to be suicidal maniacs.

I do think nationalism may play the biggest part of it though. Just look at how psychotic sportballs fans get about Team Us vs Team Them. It's no stretch to think gamers would act the same for Country Us vs Country Them.

>>716269343 (OP)
The earliest signs of games "journalists" collectively pushing a single narrative. Only difference is back then they wanted Japanese games to die in order for the American and European markets to take over the industry, whereas nowadays it's because they want to destroy the Japanese and either replace them with niggers/pajeets/chinks that can be easily controlled or to take over the country wholesale and insert their own people into positions of power to push their own ideology onto the rest of the world.

>>716283189
3/5 game confirmed

>>716273603
>>716280501
It's real, Geoff used to write for Entertainment Weekly's video game section and gave it an okay score for not being as big or cool now that other companies have their own 3D games to compare to. Also holy shit Gamecubicle still exists despite being inactive since the Wii's launch.
That other guy saying he seethed over the game is a nigger lying out of his ass.

>>716282476
>Suddenly random rant about USAID when the Murrica Fuck Yeah gang's entire reason for taking it down was snuffing out foreign/globalist interests

How does it even remotely make sense that the America first party would remove funding for shitting on foreigners?

>>716269343 (OP)
>arthur gies
Haven't seen that in a long time. All I remember about him at this point is that he's a faggot.

>>716277858
God Hand is actual dogshit that is only remembered because of the cult community around the developer.

>>716290295
wrong.

>>716283367
FF13 was not the final fantasy game that lost the west

>>716269529
This anon actually knows the truth. Also, there was a massive hate boner for Platinum Games after fans started asking for PG to make literally everything and that pissed off the western marketing machine.

>>716274604
I know more about Arthur Gies than I honestly ever would like to. The truth is he plays games with a super fucked up retarded controller scheme and I think he even holds his controls very strange. I can't remember how he said one time but it is honestly pants on head retarded. I think this is why it looks a mentally retarded 4 year old is just slapping a controller around.

>>716269343 (OP)
normalfaggots weren't ok with it the same way they weren't ok with vidya as a whole until it was already too popular to deny

normalfaggots live in a constant state of conformism and need explicit permission to say or do things without ostracizing each other

>>716269343 (OP)
>Why were overtly Japanese games, not just unfashionable, but outright maligned in the mid 2000s through to the early 2010s?
They still are, hence Collective Shout and Steam mainly targeting them for the ban.

As to the why, it’s because they’re usually full of degenerate loli and incest shit that no normal person actually wants to see.

>>716273580
kek I think that was one of the 5 guys

Does clunky just not mean anything anymore? Vanquish is fluid and responsive as fuck?

1/2

>>716270369
>They would bring up "lol tentacle rape used panty vending machine" when playing the most innocuous anime game. It was genuinely racist
That IS genuinely what most of their games and even media is full of, how could it be racist if it’s actually true? Even this bugman woman herself admits that East Asians have a problem, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mE_MH2NetJI&t=3s&pp=0gcJCccJAYcqIYzv Ching Chongs are unironically the most sexually degenerate race in the entire world.

>>716270583
>So basically western fanservice/sexuality = good, eastern = bad.
Because most Eastern sexuality and fanservice degenerate pedo and incest shit while the West portrays normal sexuality and fanservice only of adults and non-relatives.

>>716275164
>japanese stuff is corny most of the time
Not simply just “corny,” outright disgusting depravity what with how much they unironically normalize and shill pedophilia and incest to the general public without a hint of shame.

>>716278781
>They just like certain things and make things for other people who like those things.
You mean they make things for pedos and inbreeders who like said CP and incest because bugmen just can’t help themselves and never learned a shred of sexual decency?

>>716280193
>Actual, unironic, legitimate racism (unlike most claims of racism which are bullshit). Japan was viewed as physically weak so they were attacked culturally and called lame because Americans thought they were too weak to win a football game lmao.
No people are racist to the Nips (and East Asians in general) because they see how sexually degenerate and depraved their culture really is, any culture that sexualizes literal prepubescent KIDS and glorifies and normalizes incest is frankly deserving of the racism and is in need of Western colonization and correction STAT!

2/2 continued from here: >>716296512


>>716282384
>I've noticed Americans have a disdain for Japan. Not just video games (which they only really accept when it's corporate garbage tailored for international consumption, like Nintendo's garbage for example), but anime and manga as well.
>There must be some historical reason.
Because they keep inserting disgusting pedo and incest shit everywhere and grooming our Western White youth into being trannies?

>>716286896
>”those weird foreigner assholes”
They are a culture that normalizes and celebrates CP and the concept of daughter wives, they actually ARE fucking weird!
>"those dirty evil Japs are marketing porn to kids" mentality
Considering even the more mainstream anime targeted at kids such as Sailor Moon contains loli fanservice and unironic father/daughter incest content, those “evil Christian soccer moms” (read: virtuous white women) turned out to be actually right.

>>716269343 (OP)
Because trends are a thing. Just like we retroactively think now nip games were always great, they thought they were retroactively shit.

>>716269343 (OP)
because they were all flash, vanquish is a great example, all the shooting and sliding etc but its hard to tell if you're actually playing the game or if its playing it self

>>716296512
>>716296817
>*racist westoid noises*
TLDR?

>Dude who's only exposure to japan is lolicon VNs thinks all of japanese culture is lolicon VNs
I know it's a bit I know I'm taking the bait yet the knowledge that someone somewhere does think like this is an unease I cannot shake off.

>>716296512
>>716296817
100% an actual kiddie diddler.

>>716297894
>only exposure to japan is lolicon VNs
Did you miss the part where I said this shit is in even so-called “mainstream” anime for kids like Sailor Moon?

>>716298392
>100% an actual kiddie diddler
Nah, that would be the Ching Chong Ding a Lings themselves.

>>716296512
>>716296817
(You)

>>716298780
>Ching Chong Ding a Lings
That's the Chinese, retard. Get your racism right.

>>716271224
>"Very Japanese" often meant being highly stylized and flashy without as much substance
The problem was they'd still say this about devil may cry or armored core or monster hunter. It meant they thought it was, and they were also frequently totally wrong.

>>716274643
>>weeaboos were basically just bronies but for Japanese cartoons and fucking everyone hated them
Retard

>>716299821
>That's the Chinese, retard. Get your racism right.
All Asians are the same, and they all unironically support pedophilia and incest, that’s why they all draw in that same pedobait “moe” art style.

This is the gayest thread ever with the usual “because jooz hate japs” and shit like that
This was a dark age of Japanese gaming. Things eventually got better, the pendulum has swung, and now Japanese games are doing better
Everyone on this board is some zoomer lolbert and it fucking makes me ill, this board should on be used as mental torture by the Taliban or CIA or Cartel or something, only retarded autistic people read and agree with the opinions on this board. Even porn boards are smarter than you guys. Even fucking /b/.

>>716269343 (OP)
The Japanese had dominated the gaming industry following the 1983 crash and as of the 2000s was becoming a multimillion dollar industry. It did not suit western capital for such an increasingly significant media industry to sit in the hands of one country so a significant effort was made, spearheaded by Microsoft, to destroy the Japanese games industry. The gaming media played a large part of this as through influence and incentive they were encouraged to shit on Japanese games and publishers while pushing western studios and in particular the Xbox brand. It’s obvious how this worked out and now they just want to burn the industry to the ground entirely because they hate gamers

>>716300370
>This was a dark age of Japanese gaming
Because they listened to this exact criticism and started making shitty games and handing their franchises over to americans. It was a self-fullfilling prophecy.

>>716300370
But jews do hate japs. They hate how successful they are. They hate them for resisting woke and mass replacement. Anime is essentially rightwing art this is why it has dominated the whole world. Only bugmen will deny this.

>>716272060
lol I'm glad someone else remembers this piece of shit.

>>716300630
>But jews do hate japs.
You fucking uneducated retard, it’s literally the opposite, the jews have always been in CAHOOTS with the Japs and bugmen in general. Haven’t you ever heard of the Khazars and the literal Happy Merchant Radhanite trade network that worked on Silk Road? The former was part of the chink Xiongnu Dynasty and their Head Steppe Chink King Bulan himself converted to Judaism after an encounter with the Radhanite Happy Merchants Network. He then proceeded to give some of his daughters, sisters, and nieces as asian anime waifu tribute to the kikes in return and thanks to that all Ashkenazi Jews have small amounts of East Asian DNA along even some Asian maternal haplogroups.

Sources here and here:

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/aj-east-asian-admixture.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep08377

Anime was always nothing but a joint kike/bugmen plot to demoralize the West and spread degeneracy so that Western civilization would collapse and white youth will quit reproducing.

The Jew never feared the Samurai, they OWNED the Samurai!

>>716301057
>t. whale

>>716269343 (OP)
I think it was a combination of a lot of people getting older and thinking Japanese games were for kids, Japanese games tend to not jump onto the latest technological trends, plus a lot of normal college dudebros started playing games too.

>>716270428
Essentially this but I don't think it was limited to journalists. I think the average normie saw anything anime related weird (everything japanese was anime art style). Even pokemon was extremely maligned as being for very young kids around the time of the ds. Nintendo handhelds were killed because they ended up with a massive stigma around them, and the switch still suffers from being seen as a device for babies and manchildren.

>>716301057
This is just arguing that the chinese are jewish, which we all already know.

>>716269343 (OP)
because gaming "journalists" were obsessed with legitimizing videogames
they were obviously insecure about their childish hobby
and how do you make gaming legitimate? you make games be more like movies
and convey deep social and political messages
of course games that were just trying to be good games were maligned
that hasn't really gone away completely, but I think dark souls really did break that mindset
a game with no story that doesn't hold your hand and "punishes" you for failing (as any game should)

>>716269343 (OP)
Because they mogged the hell out of Western games and still do and so Western industry types collectively shit on them.

>>716301534
>mog the hell out of Western games
>implying
Loli fanservice jpgs and panty-quest stealing is not “gameplay”

>>716271861
>unironically named Chad
>looks like that

>>716271202
I mean just look at d3, to this day everything they publish is budget stuff that cost no more than 500k USD to develop (crazy how that's a cheap dev cost now)

>>716279373
At the time, yeah, Nier was fairly well received as a new IP. It was a stroke of genius to release the Gestalt version at a time when Final Fantasy had made people sick of JRPG tropes as well (I cannot stress enough how significant Final Fantasy was to all of this).
>>716300067
You were just barely more than a fetus at the time actually.
People hated weeaboos. The reason the term weeaboo exists is because wapanese got wordfiltered to a nonsense word, and that nonsense word ended up meaning the exact same thing.
Weeaboos were viewed on the same level as furries during the 00s and early 10s.

Imagine if the "English as the international language" advantage is removed...

>>716300596
>Because they listened to this exact criticism and started making shitty games and handing their franchises over to americans.
Nah, most of them just kind of sucked ass at the time actually.
Whenever people mention a good seventh gen Japanese game, it falls into one of three camps
>not actually good
>jank central
>handheld exclusive

>>716275713
I forget the publication, but i actually picked up Demon's souls because an article went out shortly after dark souls was announced claiming it to be one of the hardest games around and a hidden gem

And then i got the special edition with the official stratrgy guide which included a bunch of cheese strats and exploits like the arnor spider safe spot

>>716303350
Weeaboo/Wapanese also had a very different meaning back then. Liking Japanese video games was not wapanese. Wapanese was going to school in Naruto cosplay and constantly calling things baka or kawaii.

>>716302586
In the early 2000s, Japanese games looked like Final Fantasy X. The moe cancer hadn't hit yet. Meanwhile every Western game was a brown and gray shooter or medieval RPG.

>>716273603
Sunshine is a flawed game that definitely felt a bit meh when compared to Mario 64, but this is the first time I've seen "too realistic" presented as the game's only flaw.

>>716269643
Japanese games sold 90% of their copies in japan. They were developing for a maximum audience of 10 million, while others were developing for over 100 million. One of these is clearly much easier to transition to big budget modern AAA bloatfests.

>>716303350
>Weaboos were viewed on the same level as furries during the 00s and early 10s.
They still are though

>>716273603
Yikes. And /v/ worships this fucker nowadays.

>>716303974
Lol, you weren't alive for it. If you liked anything japanese, you got bullied for it and were immediately associated with the fat loser with a naruto headband that growled at people.
I should know, because I was one of the bullies back then, not one of the weebs

my friends liked japanese games as much as western ones.

>>716305512
>you weren't alive for it.
I was.
>If you liked anything japanese, you got bullied for it
I wasn't, because I was smart enough to shut up about it and keep it to myself.
>and were immediately associated with the fat loser with a naruto headband that growled at people
And that's WHY non-retards shut up about what they liked and why /a/ pushed the mantra of hiding your power level. Nobody wanted to be associated with those fags.

>>716273927
>for those who don't know, pre-DLC it was a 30-40 hour game tops, MAYBE 50 if you're not very good)
Holy shit, I platinumed Nioh in less than 50 hours on my first playthrough during the COVID lockdowns, this guy really has no right playing video games in any professional capacity

I wouldn't take seriously the review of a food critic who is missing his lower jaw and therefore cannot accurately tell me abhout the taste or texture of the food, nor a movie critic who is deaf and blind and therefore cannot tell me about the visuals or audio, and likewise the opinion on a video game from someone WHO CAN'T FUCKING PLAY THEM is literally worthless because it tells me absolutely nothing about what it's actually like to play

>>716269343 (OP)
>pronouns

>>716273228
>lol im going to leak Fallout 4's story
>Bethsoft: dont do that
>lol ill do it anyway
>WTF WHY HAVNT THEY RESPONDED TO US HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN

>>716303974
weaboo is the chinese translation of the word otaku which is the masculine counterpart of fujo which means woman who has shit taste as in likes anime instead of men
get your facts right poser

>>716303974
>will use correct grammar
using -chan is correct grammar my baka kouhai

>>716273317
>Nooo stop not boycotting things I don't like!
Mental illness.

>>716307535
2D > 3D

>>716269343 (OP)
They move on to china

I genuinely think this still happens today, people just hide it. Leftoids and rightoids are subject to this.

All the fake weebs who just endlessly love Yakuza and One Piece but hate every other anime or Japanese thing to ever exist.

All those people who take visceral delight in correcting people who think Japan is a nice place to live.

>>716269343 (OP)
I genuinely can't understand some westerners need for permission to actually like something and not being ironic about it.

>>716307728
Who are you referring to?

>>716309064
>All the fake weebs who just endlessly love Yakuza and One Piece but hate every other anime or Japanese thing to ever exist.
>fake weebs is when liking jap shit with no lolis or incest pandering
So you’re admitting then that Japanese culture is nothing but a den of pedophilia and incest?

Even your so-called “normie” anime example, One Piece, sexualizes minors through Nami.

>>716309317
Are you okay?

>>716309317
Are you an actual schizo or just a dedicated troll? I can't tell.

>>716272537
Why are leftists rape fetishists who are literally always thinking about rape?

>>716309246
The tard that wrote the article seething about Harry Potter selling well even though every tranny on the internet told people they're nazis if they buy it.

>>716269343 (OP)
Because that was peak dude bro fps xbox 360 era and also around the time smartphones came out and normalfags flooded everything. It's funny because now anime and most things Japanese are normified these days (as long as they can censor and sterilize it first)

>>716309852
>anime and most things Japanese are normified these days
They're not, normalfags that "like anime" only watch the safest normalfaggiest 5% of it.

>>716273228
kinda weird how under the radar rage 2's release was though. the story is absolute trash but the gameplay isn't even the worst open world with shooting/driving/shooting while driving

>>716310671
>normalfags that "like anime" only watch the safest normalfaggiest 5% of it.
You mean basically only Battle Shonen like DBZ and Ghibli?

>>716269343 (OP)
Things that are cool in Japan are not cool in the USA or Europe, that's the disconnect. I'm not even sure of they are cool in Japan when otaku are manning the industry.

>>716310671
They're still playing super nerd shit like persona now. It's sunk in pretty deep.

>>716310915
Persona is pretty normalfag-friendly.

>>716311024
Now consider saying that ten years ago, that normal people would be playing a fatlus japanese grindan highschool dating simulator in their masses.

>>716269343 (OP)
>arthur gies
Don't make fun of him, he may have helped transform problematic games into allied games with his relentless push to denigrate whiteness.

>>716310835
>Things that are cool in Japan are not cool in the USA or Europe
Like pedophilia and incest?

>>716310915
Persona 5 is decidedly not mainstream, all time peak players is ~35 000 while Elden Ring is ~950 000.

>>716282201
>It's ironic that he said this while basically ripping off the graphics of Cave Story

And the perspective shift game mechanic of Super Paper Mario.

>>716310915
Your average "tee hee I'm such a weeb" Frieren dubfag doesn't even know what Persona is.

>>716269343 (OP)
amerimutts have had a massive inferiority complex to the orientals for nearly a century

>>716311183
Nah, that's both popular and approved of as long as you're brown.

>>716311219
Elden ring is one of the most successful games of the generation, it's not a good waterline game.

Compare it to shit like trails. 2000 players for about any given game on steam. Still gets daily threads here. Plus fatlus games do well on console too.

>>716269718
He was right.
That era of Japanese video games was bad.

>>716269343 (OP)
Because western game were realistic and that was the hot new thing back then.

>>716311487
>that's both popular and approved of as long as you're brown.
Even literal Abo Jeets know not to go that far depicting any of that shit in their Bollywood media.

Imagine being less evolved in the sexuality department than fucking Abos, Bugs are a lost cause.

>>716269776
I liked it but the lack of new game plus really hurt the game. Still cool tho.

>>716311403
Not only do they know what it is, they're on twitter whining about kawakami.

>>716311738
He's talking about muslims, anon. It's literally a hate crime to say they rape children even if you walk in on them mid-penetration.

>>716311762
>they're on twitter whining about kawakami.
Good. I hope the next game throws in more relationships between seniors and adults. Get these normalfags out.

>>716300596
yes, totally, when the director of the notoriously domestic audience pandering FFX-2 went on to FFXIII and The 3rd Birthday, the extreme negative reception to them was definitely because he was aiming those plots about kawaii waifus at an international audience.

>>716278821
>Kamiya upset that Bayonetta doujins weren't femdom enough
I like this guy

>>716311953
I didn't say its the reason every game sucked lol
FF was beginning it's great arc into irredeemable dogshit right then and it never really recovered regardless of the state of the industry.

>>716282735
gamestop has done a weird thing a few times where they claim they tracked down some used copies of a rare game, and they'll be offering them at above MSRP because they were so hard to source...and then they're blatantly new copies of the game that gamestop had printed, just with the shrink wrap removed.
they did this for xenoblade, metroid prime trilogy and gravity rush remastered. that last one was extra strange since it was originally an amazon exclusive they had no hand in and they reprinted it several YEARS after the initial release. sony wanted a quick buck i guess.
anyway it seems weird gamestop was never sued for fraud or something over this.

>>716281397
>Matzo-American
I'm gonna borrow that term for future use.

>>716301057
Instead of making up these Lord of the Rings tier fantasies, you can just look at actual reality, around you today.

>>716283189
i love how for their FES review they then said barely anything about the game, still made fun of it, and gave it a higher score because they knew it was well received

>>716311842
Muslims are more human

>>716272954
Hold on now,
>(8 + 6 + 7 + 2 + 3) : 5 = 5.2
Shouldn't the overall score be 5?

>>716269343 (OP)
We need to go back to that era seeing as E33 completed mogged every JRPG ever made.

>>716269343 (OP)
I did not know there were people already listing their pronouns in 2010.

>>716312868
He's likely changed his name since, it's what his account was called when the screenshot was taken.

>>716281332
And that's a good thing.

>>716269343 (OP)
I mean he is not wrong. Vanquish, while cool looking, its pretty mediocre.

>>716269343 (OP)
>Pronouns
I don't care what the game is about all I know this guy is a massive faggot

>>716272537
Damn, I like Danny but he was sure retarded there for a while

>>716311842
Why is it a hate crime? Their book literally tells them to do it.

>>716315109
It's a hate crime because they are brown and brown people are protected under the law. The speaker for the Finnish parliament was once fined for saying Islam sanctifies pedophilia.

>>716315319
>He was fired for speaking the truth.
What reason was he fired, officially?
Did they call it a hatecrime or something? It's not.

>>716269343 (OP)
Vanquish is the best third person shooter ever made, and anyone who doesn't like it is outing themselves as a tourist

>>716315435
Nobody was fired. He was FINED. FINED. He had to PAY A FINE.
>officially
Violation of "religious peace" (I don't know how you say this in English). His detractors often call him "eduskunnan vihapuhemies" (the parliament's hate-speaker) in reference to the sentence he recieved.
Note: he was sentenced many, many years before becoming the speaker for the parliament.

>>716269343 (OP)
holy shit
i knew he was bad
but never that he was THIS bad
gaming journos really are fiends against games

>>716315671
My bad, I misread the comment.
How is it a violation of religious peace, to read their holy book and understand it fully?

>>716307535
>weaboo is the chinese translation of the word otaku
That's a big maybe. Weeaboo was actually just taken from a webcomic, the "Did somebody say weeaboo?" one.
>which is the masculine counterpart of fujo which means woman who has shit taste as in likes anime instead of men
That actually does have a word. Otaku could be accurately translated as a non-gender specific obsessive over anything really- that's why there are "military otaku" or "fishing otaku".
The male equivalent to fujoshi is fudanshi if I recall, impure girl and impure boy.

>>716269343 (OP)
>people already forgetting the I ONLY PLAY MATURE GAMES FOR MATURE GAMES LIKE MYSELF
For some reason, America had a problem with video games being seen as 'childlike' and tried to overcompensate by creating the DUDEBRO movement.

Which is ironic, considering that 'BING BING WAHOO LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS' is now considered envogue.

>>716315792
>How
It's what the courts decided. Because to criticise brown people is a crime in all cases.

>>716315950
>le porn is le fun
now that that phase is over
>le fun (porn) is le no

>>716309064
>All the fake weebs who just endlessly love Yakuza and One Piece but hate every other anime or Japanese thing to ever exist.
That's because people can like some things but don't have to subscribe to everything a specific country puts out retard.
What people LIKED about Japanese games prior to seventh gen (for example) was the unique flavor they had for console titles. A lot of western console titles were some form of derivative, as the console scene was still recovering from killing itself specifically within the west.
Meanwhile, Japanese titles included
>fucking Mario, Sonic, and Zelda
>Shining, Phantasy Star
>Final Fantasy 2 (4), 3 (6), 7, 8, 9, 10
>Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, 3
>Resident Evil 1, 2, 3, CV (at the time)
>Shenmue (people forget how beloved it was)
>Silent Hill 1, 2
>Chrono Trigger
These are all obligatory "Top 10" titles on their respective consoles.
But, behind all of that, was a very vast and ever growing PC scene for western games which never truly died. Maniac Mansion, Monkey Island, Grim Fandango, MYST, RIVEN, Wolfenstein, Doom, Space Quest, King's Quest, all significant titles among many other great works, and as the transitions of the 90s happened, people went deeper into PC markets, and publishers/developers on PC diversified towards consoles.

So, what happens is Japan is doing whatever it wants because they see a large market share, and then Grand Theft Auto 3 releases. And Halo. And Half-Life 2. And Portal. And Call of Duty 4. And Prince of Persia. And Assassin's Creed. And so on and so on.
These are all normalfag games, yeah, but they became normalfag for a reason, these are all landmark titles that many, MANY Japanese devs also loved- fucking Kojima was DISAPPOINTED when he saw AssCreed because he loved its movement tech, and included an Altair costume in MGS4 because of it.

>the schizo deleted his posts
lel

>>716311219
>all time peak players is ~35 000 while Elden Ring is ~950 000.
Persona 5 came out on PS3/4 several years before it ever came out on PC.

>>716278821
>>716270428
>>716270209
Its because japanese games add a lot of bloat that's not necessary to pad the game out.

>loading screens everywhere
>boring insanely long grind for some stat
>long walking and talking scenes
Most japanese games are boring. More fluff than game.

>>716316021
Sounds illegal to me.

>>716311923
>Get these normalfags out.
You're talking about Persona. You're the normalfag.
>>716309852
>It's funny because now anime and most things Japanese are normified these days (as long as they can censor and sterilize it first)
Anyone who says this always outs themselves as someone who doesn't watch anime, or if they do they're watching borderline kodomo shit like Dragon Ball Super and wondering why there's no blood (on Sunday, at 9:30 am).

>>716316668
>loading screens everywhere
>boring insanely long grind for some stat
>long walking and talking scenes
now enough talk about western ps4 games

>>716316703
On the contrary, it's the law of the land.

>>716316850
Which law?
Pretty sure you're not allowed to discriminate based on race/religion.

>>716316940
You are if it's positive discrimination i.e. in favor of a protected minority

When was the last time westerners released a video game with solid gameplay? Doom Eternal?

>>716316668

I am convinced that this idea that there was a "dark ages" of Japanese games can only come from someone who was a teenager at the time of the Xbox 360 or something like that, and was immersed in that gaming culture that was considered "cool" at the time. The kind of people who were playing things like Gears of War and thinking that was the pinnacle of video games or some shit.
I've been playing video games since I was a baby in the 1990s, and I never even noticed this so-called dark ages that people are talking about here. Maybe that's why when that faggot who made FEZ said that about the Japanese, I immediately noticed that he was someone who, despite being in the industry, didn't really know it.

weebs saying "uh racism" are mentally ill and low iq (as usual for weebs holy shit), zero self awareness those morons

>>716269343 (OP)
Japanese games just aren't that good, with rare exceptions. The only early they outright dominated was the late 80s. By the early 90s it was pretty even between Japan and the West. By the late 90s the West dominated and the gap has grown with each generation since.

>>716305512
I don't think that mentality ever went away. Hell, there are normalfags who play Persona, Fire Emblem, Nier Automata etc and have called me a weeaboo for using Japanese voices.

>>716318540
you're a legit retard, I swear to god my brain hurts from reading retardation like this, kill yourself
actual jap devs like inafune were saying the same shit, were they dudebro western teenagers and evil racist jews like muh schreier too? moron, kill yourself
even jap devs were trying and failing to ripoff gears of war with kusoge like binary domain, lost planet and devils third, and yes that also include vanquish which only gets dickrode because muh mikami when its a painfully generic tps with one gimmick that gets old quick
japanese studios were doing so well! that one of their flagship studios like konami started outsourcing all their biggest ips to western studio, a sure sign of japanese industry good health right? moron, kill yourself again and again

it was only Capcom dark ages, and even then they made the best action TPS at the time (re6) and revived fg's (sf4)

>>716273048
>check out what Patricia is up to these days
>still no job after all these years
pottery

>>716269343 (OP)
Seventh generation was a period of previously unknown levels of western dominance. Aided by big Japanese companies consistently fucking up.

It was also, with some exceptions, a massive step down compared to the sixth generation. By the end of it most major AAA publishers burned through virtually all of their good will. 2015 also saw a bunch of very good Japanese game releases. This largely caused the tide to turn.

Americans hate everything, a lot of them have breakdowns hearing British accents

>>716321162
AND THEN THERE'S CHUNKY
She's dead

>>716299965
>they'd still say this about devil may cry or armored core or monster hunter
so, they'd be right

>>716314057
What's to like? He's always been liberal hypocrite.

>>716277458
This hss absolutely nothing to do with the OP, especially when the journalist in question, and ostensibly the entire western game industry, is pro tranny.

But please, keep letting faggots who tuck their sack back live rent free in your mind. Dumb ass nigga.

>hulkster is dead
Piss on gawker's grave one last time for him, /v/ros

>>716269343 (OP)
I just wish nips weren't so obsessed with painfully low drop rates and other such gatcha elements

>>716319437
Right is the correct attitude to have though

>>716270428
>Jason Shrier calling the sorceress from Dragon's Crown loli-bait.
Lmao. What a fucking retard. How does that fagoid live that down?

>>716275743
Demon's souls was extremely popular among the journalists as well, retard. They held it in extremely high regard.

>>716319437
>heresey

>>716311616
it was honestly mostly just nintendo

>>716270209

Idk but they got what they wanted.

Instead of Xbox having random japanese exclusives it has....Halo sometimes and Gears of war sometimes.

Instead of PS having a rich library of exclusives it's exactly 5 western games and astro bot.

>>716269343 (OP)
microshaft paid off journos in 7th gen to shit on japan. journos have continued to do that in order to earn their westoid masters' favor

>>716316735
>living this badly in denial
sorry to break it to you but panty shots and lecherous pervy characters aren't returning. neither are amputation and disemboweling

>>716269643
What do koreans have to do with this?

>>716269343 (OP)
american journalists get money from american game publishers. Btw its the same thing in reverse in japan, their journos shill japanese games and shit on american ones.

Doesnt make it any less irritating though

>>716269343 (OP)
it was a time where westoids acted like they were elevating the medium and desperate to be seen as "art".

>>716281397
he only still has a career because people leak shit to him

>>716316668
is that a bethesda game?

>>716311616
this, Japans didn't make a SINGLE good game in the 2000s. it was all unimaginative cookie cutter slop that had zero gameplay and more importantly zero soul
pic related, 2000s japtrash that only a handful of p*dos like

>>716278013
>was not a game that was going to be a major success
But it was, what the fuck are you talking about? It's an absolute classic.

>>716274643
>a console owned by people who had zero interest in Japanese games
Except most of the japanese arcade games that were released on console were released on it. The PS3 had like nothing compared to the 360.

>>716270010
>same as Hollywood with movies
Almost all good movies were made by Hollywood.

>>716269343 (OP)
How the fuck is this post still alive? Don't you guys find it strange that some posts are allowed to stay up for days with near zero replies, while other posts die out almost immediately?

>>716337131
>post
You mean thread newfag

>>716307535
>three lies in a single sentence
>"get your facts right poser"

>>716337312
No, i do not. We don't do threads here, we do posts. It literally says "post" when you post a reply.

>>716335090
>sorry to break it to you but panty shots and lecherous pervy characters aren't returning.
Literally, right now, right this instant, an anime is airing that is purely about sex. There is on screen sex with cocks into vaginas in the show. It is to the point where one channel is broadcasting it SOUND ONLY.
Also this season is a sequel to a show where a significant plot point was people thinking the main character got raped because they found his clothes covered in white fluid.
Shin Samurai-den Yaiba has FOUR pervert characters right now, and THREE are in the main cast (all of whom perv over middle school girls).
That is merely three shows from this season.

>>716336747
>Except most of the japanese arcade games that were released on console were released on it.
I don't think you can read English. The playerbase had zero interest in Japanese games, it was Japan itself that tried to push shit onto the 360 since it was so successful (and it never worked).

>>716269343 (OP)
I have never been more infuriated by a tweet. The shit taste on display needs to be punished.

>>716272196
What game is this

>>716342352
Vanquish is a clunky shit game and so is DMC for that matter.

>>716272728
This was Nathan Grayson, btw.

Idk
As much as Ilike JRPGs in general, I will never forgive them for almost all being grindfests. Maybe for asians this is fun but I do not enjoy spending an hour just killing the same trash mobs on repeat

>>716270410
rewatching this, it's so funny to see how jonathan blow was completely wrong in his assessment of JP games even then.
literally every criticism he threw at "japanese games" could have just been thrown at final fantasy xiii.
it's so fucking weird for blow to be on his high horse about the joy of discovery and player-driven exploration when la mulana came out 7 years prior, much less had a steam release just 2 years prior to the interview in the video

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>>716274919
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the problem isn't that these posts are wrong, because they are right, liberal Whites are some of the most ethnocentric Whites on Earth. The problem is that you are all nonWhites shitting on White people when you voted for this. You made allies with liberal Whites and attack the only Whites who actually respect you, Nationalist, and Conservative Whites that you side with pseudojews who want to make you their golems. I have never seen such Whites have blind hatred toward Japan, its only among liberal Whites, its one element that makes the latter more effective.

It is a curse and a paradox of Whites. The paradox is that Conservative and White nationalists are actually the least egocentric Whites, while liberal Whites are the most racists, and its a curse because liberal Whites engage in such valuable ethnocentric behavior that would benefit conservative Whites. Instead, we live in a world where liberal Whites are so demented that they treat conservative Whites as another race and actively hate them so much that they will harm the White race just to own da cons.