the great filter

>spongebob_patrick_riding_rollarcoasting.jpg

>>716299193 (OP)
>I Picked Treecko: The Filter

>>716299601
*Mudkip
This is only a bitch if you ended up choosing Mudkip, and even then, only if you use your starter exclusively, and are too lazy to just grind shit out until you have a Swampert.

>>716299694
>Mudkip
NTA but Grovyle (and Sceptile by extension) has absolutely no coverage worth a shit. Oh no scary leaf blade help me masuda san
Get a Ninjask. Get a Taillow. Hell get a Beautifly or Dustox.

People had issues with May? Fucking how? You can pretty much sweep her with Swellow.

>>716299193 (OP)
why is Hoenn so kino?

>>716299383
Fpbp

>>716299193 (OP)
>don't speedrun
>steamroll the fight
It's that simple

>the actual great gaming filter
If you can’t slowdown and learn to enjoy the game world with its details then you need to stay at gamer.shooter.bro.current.year

>>716300361
NOOOOOOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T CATCH OTHER POKEMON. THAT WASTES TOO MANY FRAMES!

>>716299193 (OP)
I wasn't aware that this was some well known difficulty spike.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who got fucked up by May here as a kid.

Anyways, pic is a greater filter. Single-handedly stops some people from playing an entire genre.

>>716299694
marshtomp fucking destroys grovyle
mudkip is used in speedruns because of how easy it is to steamroll the entire game with it

>>716300162
>>716300361
>>716303121
you guys are fucking retarded. every kid that picked mudkip only leveled their starter like every kid does (no, you were not different and you didnt have a team of 6 different pokemon all leveled up, stop lying and being a contrarian). Grovyle's absorb btfo'd you as a marshtomp every single time, no matter how many times you tried rematching to maybe get a crit or something. This was the total filter. Every mudkip kid got destroyed by this.

The remake of that scene was awful.

>>716303485
>no, you were not different and you didnt have a team of 6 different pokemon all leveled up
Yes I did. Most kids I knew did this.

>>716303792
Those kids sound like fucking nerds.
Real men only beef up their stater to 100 and the rest of the party is just HM slaves.

>>716299193 (OP)
>AHHH HELP ME I HAD NOT IDEA SHE IS THERE OFFICER JENNY SAVE ME IF IM GONNA LOSE I WILL HAVE TO BACKTRACK TO THE CITY 30 SECONDS FROM THERE PLEASE MIYAMOTO JUST HOLD MY HAAAAND

>>716303792
no you did not. there is no reddit updoot system here. you can be honest, you were retarded like me and every other kid.

>>716301829
and fighting games will eventually need to move beyond it if they ever want to move beyond their small corner of irrelevancy

>>716299193 (OP)
@grok context?

>>716303896
Yeah, it was Pokemania. Everyone was geeking out about pokemon.
If you wanted to win the link cable battles on the playground, you needed to have a well trained team.
The guys who had 1 lvl.100 and 5 HM slave pokemon were always the losers, unless they played against people younger than them.

>>716303920
You are incorrect.

I trained an entire tram because as a kid in thought the games were harder than they actually are. I thought type advantage was significantly more important than levels and just using the right move. I always wanted good coverage, though I leaned into Special type over Physical (not really understanding the difference at the time). Stuff like Fire beats Grass was more intuitive than Flying beats Fighting.

>>716299193 (OP)
Legit have never had trouble with this fight ever, then again that's probably because I know its coming. Kids ran up this route with their Pokemon at half-health and likely paralyzed too, expecting to get to the next town soon, only to be suddenly thrown into a battle with fairly strong Pokemon at that point in the game

>>716303485
>game about collecting and playing with over 100 characters
>use only one
why even playing pokemon, just play a regular rpg at this point

>>716299193 (OP)
Sorry I always chose a fire starter because I'm not a homosexual.
More legendary Pokemon than there are fire Pokemon means fire is always worth having.
Skill issue.

>>716299193 (OP)
It's funny considering Wingull feels like the perfect counter to all 3 starters that are here.
May with a Grovyle still sucks though.

>>716305357
It's funny because before Gen 3, choosing the fire type was actually the worse option of the three in both Gen 1 and 2

>>716305502
Cyndaquil was worse than Chikorita who had to go through a flying gym and a bug gym?

>>716305502
How do you figure?
>Gen 1
>Level up quickly in forest
>Brock loses to Ember (low special stats)
>Misty loses to Slash
>Surge loses to dig (that you TM Charmander)
>Erika loses to any fire/flying moves
>By this point, the rest of the game is trivial becasue your charizard has slash and flamethrower and dig.

>>716305587
Nevermind I'm stupid and forgot Chikorita was like, kinda bad. Thing is that Fire as a type overall doesn't have much application in Gen 2 in general. Charmander is definitely the worst Kanto starter though

>>716305734
They tried to help Charmander in FireRed/LeafGreen by giving it Metal Claw but like...A physical steel move going in on Geodude and Onix who has Rock Tomb.

>>716305718
Sure, but the other two starters can deal with most bosses in the game much faster and safer. There's also other fire and flying types that can fulfill Charmanders functions without needing it

(also I didn't even know Charmander could learn Dig thats pretty nifty)

>>716299193 (OP)
pic was worse

>>716305917
Nobody gets through the forest faster than Charmander.
The gym leaders take 1-2 hits for each starter.
Charmander is WAY faster to play though and overlevel.

>>716301336
>speedrun always using starter
>steamroll that fight by stacking X attack and spamming mud shot
It's that simple

>>716299193 (OP)
>picking the boy

>>716305718
>Misty loses to Slash
Anon, Charmander has to be lvl 30 to learn Slash.
Charmeleon learns it at lv 33.
You would have to skip fighting her and level up a lot to learn that and outspeed Starmie, and then you have to rely on Misty's 'Smart AI' to use Water Gun and not Bubblebeam.

>>716306090
You also have to avoid a growl from the rival's wingull.

>>716306125
If Charmander is your only Pokemon you are leveling, 30 is easy to achive at this point.

>>716306124
yes beacuse im not a tranny

>>716306236
If you're doing every fight on the way, you would have to ignore misty entirely and continue to Surge and fight the extra trainiers in the connected routes iirc.

>>716305991
Whitney can be tough, but it really isn't as difficult as most people say. You have quite a handful of options to take care of her.
>Trade Machop
>Heracross
>Geodude/Onix
>Bayleef with Reflect
>Gastly with Curse (especially if its not HGSS)
>Anything that can lower Miltanks defense
>Anything that could stall it with a status move (Not in HGSS since it has a Lum Berry)
>Classic X-Item/Accuracy lowering brainrotting strategies

>>716306326
>If you're doing every fight on the way, you would have to ignore misty entirely and continue to Surge
Not possible to get to Surge without fighting Misty, unless there's a glitch I don't know about.
Either way, play the game. Fight all the trainers with just your starter. 30 is easy. I usually have a Wartortle (with 3 other pokemon) at this point, and he's usually around level 25 so he learns bite for Misty.
You think having 3 less pokemon wouldn't account for 5 levels? Then you haven't played the game as much as me.

>>716305991
How? She jobs to rock smash.

>>716306482
You only need to finish Nugget Bridge to get to Bill to ignore Misty. Can so everything but enter Surge's gym due to needing the badge for cut. You can backtrack to her after getting a bunch if trainer fights done.

>>716303121
>marshtomp fucking destroys grovyle
Are you retarded? The speed run strat for grovyle is to spam x items early in the fight so you don’t get completely raped by absorb (while praying slugma doesn’t get good rng while you’re setting up). Basically anything can steamroll the game if you spam x items.

>>716307071
I thought you needed to beat Misty to get the cop to move.
Either way, level 30 is easy without skipping Misty.

>>716307271
>I thought you needed to beat Misty to get the cop to move.
You are right, that anon is on crazy pills

>>716305502
>Worst
Grow some hair on your chest, fag. I just over leveled Charmander and face rolled misty with ember. It's a children's game. Don't think so hard about it.

>>716305991
Any sufficiently levelled Geodude from Dark/Union Cave can tough out Miltank. Also that one Machop you can trade for in Goldenrod but it has shit IVs IIRC.

>>716305991
i've tried to nuzlocke heart gold 3 times this week and i completely wiped to whitney's miltank all 3 times. i got such unreasonably bad luck in all 3 attempts that i feel like the game is trying to ward me off playing it this way.

first time she just kept using stomp and flinching, literally nothing i could do while she flinched geodude like 8 times in a row.

second attempt went much the same. this time i had an ace up my sleeve in bringing ghastly, only to discover she has an ability that lets her hit ghost types.

the last attempt was a total piss take, i managed to get miltank paralyzed with a smoke screen up and tried headbutt flinching and she STILL managed to get through more than 50% of the time and actually fucking pp stalled half my team with milk drink. i got so unluckly that the fact geodude instantly got burnt by clefairy's metronome'd sacred fire doesn't feel worth mentioning

i know i can get heracross by manipulating headbutt trees but that doesn't seem in the spirit of things, i think i will abandon this venture for now

>>716312053
Just level up more before you fight her.
It's the solution to every problem in the game.

>>716299193 (OP)
>LE GREAT FILTER
>It's a fight that I pass on the first try
You guys could be real idiots

>>716303980
There are already fighting games that got rid of motion specials. Nobody plays them.

>>716312053
almost like nuzlocke as a format is inherently cringe and unfun promoting only the safest possible strategies because you can lose through no fault of your own thanks to rng
>oh but if you get good then you can power through bad rolls!
dont care, a team of bidoof wingull pidgey zubat purrloin sentret is not fun
>just overlevel!
then whats the point?

>>716303485
I unintentionally trained up a good party of 6 because I thought if I spent too much time on one of them my other pokemon would get jealous and sad

>>716300606
The mudkip line fits May way more than the chicken

>>716300606
Most of it is Route 110 theme.

>>716303485
hurr everybody had a childhood EXACTLY like mine! don't pretend otherwise!
nice bait tho

>>716300606
legit all the water

>>716299193 (OP)
The boogeyman of /v/

I played through Red powerleving my Charizard and taking a bunch of filler mons in my other slots I never bothered training, proceeded to get filtered at the E4 by Lorelei, had my sister delete my save data, did it all over again and got filtered the exact same way, had her delete it a second time, but then third time was the charm where I thought "maybe I should actually pay attention to other pokemon" and then I started winning way easier. Also taught me to hide my fucking games

>>716303485
Nah, I levelled up my ninjask and tailow because I thought they were cool (also a Dustox but the little guy was just too damn weak)

>>716309816
Anon don't treat me like a retard, I've done enough of Red, Blue and Yellow to know this.

>>716299193 (OP)
>watch the werster speedrunning rant video on this
>think that it is hard in casual playthroughs
When was the last time you actually played a game instead of watching someone else play it?

>>716314752
based

>>716306698
I never found her bad but miltank has some pretty absurd stat spread.
Also depending on if you didn't pay attention to your gender you can just get attract locked.

>>716314639
The team you described actually does sound fun though and Nuzlocke made me appreciate those sorts of Pokémon much more - with TMs, for example, Furret’s move set is quite good
Nuzlocke forces you to play safer but also appreciate the limited tools at your disposal and look at Mon in new ways - it’s a good format because the base games reward just picking the strongest option and then steam rolling a puzzle made for 8 year olds. Nuzlocke is more of an RPG in the classic sense

>>716312053
Good story, you’ll get em next time

>>716303485
>(no, you were not different and you didnt have a team of 6 different pokemon all leveled up, stop lying and being a contrarian).
bro knows my life better than I do I guess

>>716317829
I didn't realise Miltank could get Sap Sipper. That'd be a nasty fucking surprise to get caught by.

>>716299193 (OP)
>>716305991
everytime a pokemon fan make a comment like this you can tell they have never played anything worth while.

this are games designed to be beaten by 5 years old, unless you are a literaly retard there no way to actually find any of this hard

>>716299193 (OP)
what are you talking about

>>716318138
I mean it is difficult from a speedrunner's perspective but for the average player? Not really, unless you really messed up with your team balance early on.

>>716318080
both of its other abilities are better

May ends up raping you if you lose there.

>>716318843
Nooo. Don't rape my unconscious body!

>>716318843
>May will never rape you
Why even live?

>>716299193 (OP)
Thats just my girrlfriand dont be jelly

>>716306343
>(Not in HGSS since it has a Lum Berry)
you mean the one use berry that only delays the stall by one turn?

>>716306343
If you're young enough to still be in the target demographic, none of those strats past Geodude are going to happen

>>716303485
>Little brother only ever leveled his starter and legendaries
>Is now a doctor
>I always created balanced 6 mon teams and used status/stat change moves
>Now making $20 an hour as a helpdesk monkey
What did Gamefreak mean by this?

>>716322273
>brother that used the most optimal strategy optimized his real life
really makes you think

>>716303485
how would you feel if you didn´t have breakfast?

>>716306698
Rock Smash has 20BP in GSC, and Miltank has the stats of a fully evolves mon. Also, if your mon is male, you'll get stuck on attract.

>>716299193 (OP)
>filtered by a pokemon game
grim

>>716299193 (OP)
Honestly, finished scarlet when the switch 2 released and holy shit, that game was utterly piss easy, back in the gba era you needed to spend literal days grinding every single pokemon in your team, now you just send you're main to random battle, and even with half the exp received you still level like hell, so if you're an explorerfag like me, you'd always be extremely over level for each match.

>>716323454
I went out of my way to avoid trainers and was consistently 10+ levels under for most fights. The final boss was absolutely brutal because of it

>>716303485
>every kid that picked mudkip only leveled their starter like every kid does
literally me
I also don't remember this fight at all, this was not even a difficulty bump. I'm absolutely sure that this opinion only has happened from retards watching speedruns and thinking a normal playthrough plays remotely similarly.

>check on little cousins game progress

>level 45 blaziken stuck in dewford

>>716303485
That wouldn't be an issue if exp share was a thing in the old games

>>716299193 (OP)
She forced me to get on my knees and give her head to pass

>>716323709
My whole team was level 50 in mauville when I was a kid because it took me 200 hours to bumble into the guy that teaches rock smash

>>716300606
For me, it was because there were so many biomes and various kinds of weather. The loss of the day/night cycle was disappointing to me when I was 12, but going from a temperate climate to island chains to deserts to wetlands to volcanic mountains to vast oceans is the perfect way to convey an adventure.

>>716322273
>she fell victim to the egalitarian jew

>>716312053
Sand Attack + Poison Sting female Sandshrew did the job for me, tho. It ws pretty easy. Also finding a heracross via headbutt utterly destroys Miltank no matter what.

>>716323996
When I got my first ever game (sapphire, not just first pokemon but first vidya ever) as a kid I ended up grinding my Treecko into Grovyle in the starting area because I thought I had to physically let time pass for the guy blocking the path out to move. Turns out it was tied to beating May, who I as a kid thought would be extremely strong for whatever reason. So when I faced a lvl 5 torchic with my lvl 18 Grovyle I realized my mistake.

I then made it all the way to Steven on the back of my largely solitary lvl 100 Sceptile (everyone else was just untrained filler) at which point my pp ran out and I had to power through his Aggron with struggle and an entire game's worth of HP healing items. That was a trip.

May's sweaty spats on my face

>>716299193 (OP)
>pick torchic
>marshtomp is only weak to gras
>have no grass attacks
>MUD SHOT MUD SHOT MUD SHOT MUD SHOT
that was tough for little baby retard me

>>716324482
btw forgot to tell you that you can find Heracross trees at route 33

>>716323454
>back in the gba era you needed to spend literal days grinding every single pokemon in your team
an hour or two sure, but days? what the fuck are you doing, grinding on route five?

>>716325364
Not him and I don't remember how much I took, but on Sapphire I remember grinding my main 3 pokemon to 100 on Sky Pillar for the Battle Tower. There is how I found out pokemon with evos gave more exp than non evo ones (Sableye) by a big margin.
Yes I was a retard.

>>716305991
I never struggled with Whitney, even as a kid, but maybe that's because I've always been fond of Geodude and he doesn't give a fuck about rollout.

>>716323529
I battled them at the beginning to get lots of exp fast, but later I literally never battled one again besides the mandatory ones for the "quests", I was always like 10 or 20 levels over the random encounter pokemons which made catching them extremely difficult, since a single attack defeated them.

>>716326053
Making Whitney cry after you beat her as a kid made me feel funny.

Thoughts on May’s mays?

>>716326429

>>716326429

>>716299193 (OP)
I don't even remember this battle. I must've steamrolled her when I was a kid.

>>716303485
>I was retarded so every other kid must've been a retard too
I always had at least three Pokemon that I leveled up to a similar level because I wasn't smooth brained

>>716326429
Sex master

>>716299193 (OP)
Only speedtrannies get filtered here.

>>716327101
look at her just demolishing those burgers

>>716314639
Pretty sure you can guarantee a Heracross before Whitney which should make her a joke. Not that I'd know, I got mine killed to something retarded.
And overleveling is gay, you shouldn't level past the next gym's ace.

>>716327325
kek

>>716327325
lol

>>716303485
Yeah sure whatever faggot, go my loudred

>>716300606
It just is, don't think so hard about it

>>716303485
Bro not knowing where I got a thing for Kirlia(and Gardevoir but mainly Kirlia). Not saying I had 6 leveled mons, but I did have 3 well leveled ones + 1 ok mon and HM slaves

>>716330461
>kirlia oppai
now that's the premium shit right there

I always remember the guy with the Breloom fucking Mudkip's shit up early on as a wake up call.

>>716300606
Because it feels like an actual adventure, unlike the newest generations

I wish pokemon didn't go the retard route focusing on megas and other bullshit.

They should have given abandoned pokemon more evolutions and also focused on balancing so people could use what they actually wanted other than fucking retarded legendaries, ultra beasts, megas, and Ubers. The entire franchise just seems fucked as a whole.

This post made me want to try an omega ruby rom but I just remembered the fucking mega bullshit. No thanks. I think game freak actively hates it's fanbase as evident by dudunsparce.

I remember I didn't want to play black and white at first but fell in love. That felt like the last pokemon game where you could have variety and make any team you want since the diversity and balancing was so good. Everything feels fucked now. Can't have nice things I guess.

>>716299193 (OP)
Speedtroon problems

>>716300606
hoenn is built to be an actual adventure with lots of exploration, even during the main quest, you never go full linear, there is always a different path that you must follow before going back to the main route, it is the closest game design wise to the journey presented in the anime.
Sinnoh also does this. that is why they are peak

>>716299193 (OP)

>>716299193 (OP)
>extremely easy fight that is only ever '''hard''' because of hyperspecific speedrunner strategies

>>716305991
first three gyms are in some kind of level if you're not familiar with the game
>lv 9 Pidgeotto
>Bugsy out of nowhere Scyther
and then Whitney

>>716299193 (OP)
I legit don't get this meme, that was a completely regular fight, and much like the other fights, I curb stomped her.

It is not like the route is hard or anything either, so your team should be in good condition.

>>716300606
had a lot of hidden shit like the Regis

>>716303485
Joke's on you, I also levelled my Taillow/Swellow

>>716299601
this

>>716303485
>every kid that picked mudkip only leveled their starter like every kid does
And that's completely fine, because only four pokemon battles in the entire game can hit Swampert for super-effective damage.
If you ONLY used Mudkip at this point, you've out-leveled the Grovyle and his one damaging move.

>>716301345
>pic
holy kino

>>716316407
>>716316661
>>716316809
>>716324106
>>716328441
>>716331959
>>716335182
>>716339084
pure adventure soul

>>716299193 (OP)
I played through emerald recently and even as a adult this fight was annoying
I didn't have a full team (had 3 trained mons and then a bunch of jobbers like zigzagoon and silkoon) but still I really didn't expect a pokemon rival fight after Gen 1 to offer any degree of challenge.

>>716303485
I did that the first time I borrowed a friend's cartridge, and then immediately got "softlocked" in Mt. Moon with a Charmeleon with zero PP. When I finally got my own cart, I judiciously leveld my team equally.

>cool pokemon design
>weak to almost all gym learders
they did my man dirty

>>716338972
Every discussion of Pokemon "difficulty" is heavily skewed by the fact that a huge chunk of players (some even adults, supposedly) just mash A with their starter the whole game. So the very few times the games actually check that (this fight, Whitney, can't even think of any others) it's seen as this huge filter.

Treecko is genuinely the worst starter in all of Pokemon

>>716305991
A single status effect on the miltank nulifies this entire fight. My 5 year old ass still struggled with it.

>>716318843
I think getting stomped on this route fight as a kid genuinely made me think of May as a dom in art ever since.

>>716303485
quiet mongoloid

>>716346108
thats a lot of starters youre comparing him to

>>716299193 (OP)
Silver and the final time you fight Blue. the only rival battles that messed with me.

>>716299193 (OP)
For me it was Whitney's Miltank

>>716299193 (OP)
why do underaged retards who have never played the game keep posting this?
nobody ever had a problem with this fight

>>716305991
more underaged retard posting
nobody had trouble with this either
stop parroting speedrunning/challenge run dilemmas as if they represent actual real problems people faced playing the game normally

>>716318759
>I mean it is difficult from a speedrunner's perspective
which shouldnt even be worth a mention in a conversation of the gameplay in a non speedrunning setting
yet zoomzooms keep spamming this recently during every conversation about gen 2 and 3 because they saw a video by werster saying something that literally only applies to speedrunning
the fight is "hard" if you gimp yourself and intentionally choose to limit your exp for time saving purposes

>>716326053
nobody struggled with her
it's just people who havent actually played the game repeating their favorite ecelebs

>>716345165
Rock is such a shit type defensively that it basically fucked over this guy, the ridiculously slow speed renders him useless and is plagued with x4 damage weaknesses.

Literally dead on arrival.

>>716345165
At least Mega Aggron was actually good but I hated how it looked compared to the main man.
It needs something like the Garganacl treatment, that thing is still bullshit for a rock type.

>>716346108
>fast
>hits hard
No, as far as grass types go, Sceptile is very solid.

Only behind Meowscarada in speed.

>>716299193 (OP)
I never played Emerald. Is it worth it or do I just play Ruby again?

>>716352441
It is the same game.

>>716352441
Emerald is the superior version for a reason.

>>716347405
Sugimori style peaked with gen 2 and 3

>>716352761

>>716303485
By the time I got to May I try to have Grovyle, Aron and Swellow all at the same level. I only catch Pokemon I think look cool.

>>716301345
The early QTE really took me out of this game for a long time

>>716314752
>t.