Thread 716302929

What game are you sure people only pretend to like?

>>716302929 (OP)
every game that is "fun with friends"

>>716303037
but lethal company is fun..

every single jrpg
stalker games
sepc ops the line

>>716303237
but stalker anomaly is fun..

Shadow of the Colossus.

>>716302929 (OP)
Demon's Souls rehashes
mother (not going to dignify that pathetic garbage with a capital letter) and its clones

>>716303037
I always find it stupid when a game labels itself like that because any game can be fun with friends, whether that be from actually enjoying the game or shitting on it together.

>>716303273
>anomaly
you didn't play the game.

normies pretend to like elden ring
and /v/ pretends to hate it

MMOs
Counter Strike
Fighting games
MOBAs
MGS and From Software games suck, but people claim to love them because they are the equivalent of watching NFL or NBA for nerds.

>>716302929 (OP)
jelly is great, op is a faggot

>>716303417
good

>>716303454
>they are the equivalent of watching NFL or NBA for nerds
That's esports and streamer bait. The fromsoft games have high sales and high completion rates is big a point in their favor of just being good popular games people like to play.

Fromsoft games in general
Sports slop
League of legends
Counter Strike Global
WoW after 3
Call of Duty
Fortnight and all battle royale slop
Gacha
Anything with uninspired yearly releases and live service

>>716302929 (OP)
Kingdom Hearts. It's just a shitty Disney themed JRPG with Final Fantasy characters thrown in so people would actually buy it. The gameplay sucks, the music sucks, and the story is chuuni retardation.

>>716303417
I have played and beaten every game in the series. Anomaly and GAMMA are more fun.

>>716303395
Your first mother is good because the quirkiness of it takes you off guard. But then the second mother you play is just the same thing, again. Without novelty there's no point to it

Deus Ex, the original. Only ever gets good in China when it opens up and becomes less linear, outside of it it's a subpar imsim.
System Shocks are another one. Those are so simple I wouldn't even quality them as imsim in modern sense of the word. More like sci-fi dungeon crawling RPGs.

>>716302929 (OP)
Agreed, gelatin sucks.

>>716303469
>jelly
Begone, Eurotrash

>>716302929 (OP)
It's common for autistic people to dislike jello due to it's texture

>>716303771
Absolutely. KH fans act like convoluted nonsense = deep storytelling. You need a spreadsheet, three wikis, and a master's in Nomura-ology to understand half of it-and then it still sucks. They somehow made Disney worlds MORE boring. You know you messed up when Atlantica is considered one of the "better" ones.

>>716302929 (OP)
Define "real" fun

>>716302929 (OP)
Any game with "Overwhelmingly Positive" scores and 90% of reviews being copypasta spam.

>>716302929 (OP)
Valorant probably

>>716302929 (OP)
Deus Ex, Half Life 2, Super Mario

>>716302929 (OP)
Stale Manur: Excrement 33
to be fair, those philistines might actually just be garden-variety goycattle with terminal shit taste

>>716302929 (OP)
any nintendo game

>>716302929 (OP)
Everything made by kojima

>>716302929 (OP)
Any nintendo game.

What caused retards to seethe this bad over a 15 year old game?

>>716304368
Not op
But probably when you really play the game because you like to play it and challenge and just fun

Instead of achievement hunting, showing off, or because you can't convince a friend group to move on.

>>716302929 (OP)
Jello is good and a great American innovation.

>>716302929 (OP)
Elden Ring because if they say they don't like it they'll get the "filtered" and "skill issue" treatment

>>716302929 (OP)
>>716305484
>>716304058
these days the jello is sugar free and its fucking nasty. make your own jello with real sugar.

>>716302929 (OP)
Anything ever made by shitendo

>>716303852
But each Mother game is a vastly different experience and obviously they have more to them than just the basic quirkiness. You should know this if you played them.

>>716302929 (OP)
BG3

>>716302929 (OP)
People play fortnite and CS2 just to collect skins. I don't think they enjoy the game itself that much.

>>716305560
filtered hard

If you don't like jelly, you need to get off this board.

Fromsoft games. They lack the story to make up for the shit gameplay to keep anyone interested. The graphics fidelity is awful and regressed over time meanwhile the artstyle and OST is so generic and low effort. They're sticking to a formula that other copy cats made better at their first tries. That's how shit they are.

>>716302929 (OP)
What is the point of threads like this? Attempt to farm (you)s?

>>716302929 (OP)
GTA: Vice City

>>716302929 (OP)
Phoneshit.
They don't enjoy the game, they just fap to the waifu.png's. Nobody is that simple-minded as to be entertained by a carrot being dangled in front of them.

>>716302929 (OP)
Are you talking shit about lime jello?

>>716306494
thank you for proving my point

>>716302929 (OP)
star fox
it's literally just slower afterburner for tendies

>>716302929 (OP)
The latest Mortal Kombat. Did people really enjoy it? I know morons will buy it at Target on name recognition, but do they even like it?

The weird rehashing of the story, the tag-in assist bullshit from the 90s, the bad fatalities. Who's enjoying it? Like who's sincerely having a good time?

>>716307864
i've played every mortal kombat ever released because 2 twins I have as childhood friends were obsessed so everyone who hanged out with them played them as well but they skipped this one. they never really told me why and I kinda never bothered to ask too. imo something about the "realistic" visuals put me off

>>716303037
>>716303403
Certain games enhance opportunities for friendship interaction. For example Peak is the latest friendslop and it has funny physics and equal opportunities to sabotage each other or use teamwork. Video games are like a toy, and some toys are best enjoyed with company. On the other hand even team games, while technically a group act, can be frustrating. Maybe you'll play overwatch together but then tilt because your friends never want to heal. Maybe you'll play borderlands but some asshole ninjas all the loot. Not every "better with friends" game can otherwise stand on it's own, and plenty are only worth a decent laugh, but it's for sure a category with potential and high marks, even if as a whole it's just trying to sell you packaged friendship. Anyway if you've got a few buddies, try Pico Park.

>>716302929 (OP)
any fighting game

>>716304354
There's not a soul alive that considers KH deep, save perhaps those who think Sora × Riku is masterfully being set up for endgame. It's just fun to go to nostalgic worlds (if they're indeed nostalgic for you) with an edgier but overall still humble take and getting to cast spells and beat the shit out of stuff with a giant key. If I'm being honest though I really don't need Donald and Goofy there, certainly not as like the champions of their respective classes.

>>716304001
>Seething about Europe out of nowhere
Rent free

>>716307296
I looked Fire Emblem: Heroes for the bare story, simple but not piss easy combat, and getting to just collect pretty characters and picking a favorite. I never spent a dime on it of course. The fun ended between adding a bunch of power creep and filling the game with more useless bs to enjoy outside of the combat gameplay.

>>716302929 (OP)
Alan Wake

>>716303454
>>716308890
I'd say that this only really applies to the recent Street Fighter and Tekken games. Nobody seems to actually enjoy those games, but people keep playing it anyways.

Zelda

>>716302929 (OP)
Dark Souls and all other roll slop

>>716308164
I simultaneously agree with the sentiment, understand how so-called "acquired taste" works, and think the attempt at wit is obnoxiously small minded. If your dislike of beer is so strong you assume not a soul enjoys it, why indeed would you bother with it. Surely not a full grown, clever man succumbing to peer pressure?

>>716307864
I hate how MK games play but I enjoy the story, character interactions and the visuals up to 11.

>>716302929 (OP)
Any competitive game that's popular with zoomers, mostly shooters.
They're not playing because they have fun, they're playing for the rare high moments when they win and to feel good about their rank.

How did zoomers end up liking Battle Royale. Is it just wanting to be like their favorite streamers?
>join game
>wait in lobby for like 2 minutes
>spend 15 minutes walking and farming items and finding somebody to kill
>get a kill then get sniped or get sniped without getting a kill
>repeat

I feel like zoomers would get stressed out by this genre.

>>716310047
>Is it just wanting to be like their favorite streamers?
There were people who wanted the favorite e-celeb to let them win because their mothers were kinda homeless so I assume battle royale was easy access and it provided money enough for some people to have roofs for a while

>>716310047
It's gameplay that chucks a ton of people together, gives them small wins/losses, and then says one stands above all the others as champion, so that they all seek that reward. Someone's gotta win after all. That loop efficiently hooks and queues many players so they don't even focus on the huge waste of time it is; don't even notice that it's like doing an Easter egg hunt in a mine field.

Rollslop in general. They offer nothing but gamer cred status beating a """hard"""" game and nothing else. Everything looks revolting both art and graphics and the gameplay mechanics are easy to figure out with basic bitch controls after that it gets boring. The lore and world building is a joke and is as relevant as a fart joke written on a popsicle stick.

WoW
LoL
CS
Valorant
Dota
Gacha
Pokemon
Zelda
Mario

>>716302929 (OP)
Dark Souls

>>716304058
I'm autistic and really like jello because of it's texture. That feeling when you suck a big piece of jello through your lips is sublime.

Jello is fine, it's cheap and doesn't make you as fat as other desserts.

>>716303237
>>716303273
I just finished roadside picnic by chance, are there any in particular I should bother with?

>>716309259
It's like they'd rather take up dick in the ass from Capcom and Bamco rather than go back and play older fightans they actually enjoy.

>>716310047
its the gambling/jackpot experience mixed with the drug experience mixed with the competitive experience. youre chasing the high of "content" that you only get every 15 minutes cause youre constantly dying first engagement after looting for 15 minutes, and the more fights you get the closer you get to the top the better your little dopamine release is. and finally when you get #1 your little brain cooms and you get the full hit complete with your heart pounding adrenaline up and sweaty. its a sick genre

>>716302929 (OP)
any game posted in any modern 3x3 thread

>>716303037
I think you people are only pretending to not get it.

>>716302929 (OP)
Ironmon kaizo super nuzlocke one life shit whatever it's called by now. Practically playing lotto only with less reward and more time wasted, not to mention the rng that's cascading against you. The fact that it finally got beaten for the first time recently just makes it more mind boggling to me that anyone can fucking bother with or enjoy it.

>>716302929 (OP)
Monster Hunter and Souls slop.

Granted now I have not played Monster Hunter games past the first one on the PSP so maybe its different but I cannot tolerate either games control schemes where you are limited in dodging and your attack chains. Gets old quick.

>>716312897
Pokemon in general I think people are just lying to themselves. I think people genuinely like imagining being in the pokemon world and collecting all the creatures but the gameplay is objectively awful. I know some people who claim it's secretly good but they have to be full of shit.

>>716308164
I used to think this with all alcohol until I tried gin
and I love gin now.
Gin makes the best lemonade
gin makes good sours
gin makes good acholuric sparkling water (8 ounces of gen per can)
gin is good

>>716312768
I have played every survival crafting slop that was hip and trendy in the mid 2010s with my friends and despite trying my hardest to juice out any fun from these games I always felt miserable playing them.

>>716309259
>Street Fighter and Tekken
That's such a weird fanbase situation because you have everyone from casuals to the pros talk all the time about how shit the games are now but it's like they have to keep playing them out of obligation (for the pros that compete for cash, I get it, but not the rest).

But if you bring up another fighting game in their presence, they're very quick to start shitting on whatever you're talking about and how it won't ever be as popular as SF/Tekken.

>>716302929 (OP)
What exactly is wrong with jello? Its like the nost inoffensive dessert ever.

>>716308164
>comic artist projects his feelings onto others and make the I AM SILLY strawman
why is this so common?

>>716303997
If Unatco or the Hells Kitchen area of Deus Ex didnt get you hooked you have nothing but my pity.

From all the different ways you can do things to even just the scenes Deus Ex is a great ride beginning to end. No one is pretending. For example youll rarely get a game willing to shot talk you for emtering the womens bathroom.

>>716313145
I wouldn't classify the survival craft shit as "friendslop" if I was going to use the term "friendslop" at all. It's a different genre and and a different vibe. It's the highly interactive round based stuff like Barotrauma and Repo and Peak that I actually associate with the term and are the actual fun games. They're about giving you ways to have fun while doing some meaningless shared task where survival games are more about being games that you play together. If a game has more weight than building a sandcastle it's not real friendslop.

>>716302929 (OP)
RDR

>>716302929 (OP)
Any game mentioned ITT filtered the poster in question, nobody on /v/ can name a game that is actualy all around dogshit, a bad game is one that filtered them

ARK
every time someone shows me it and shows me what they do in the game they always have to say "but the interesting part comes later"

>>716302929 (OP)
Gelatin can be great but it has to actually fully set and use real sugar. A lot of “people” don’t bother to do that.

>>716303417
>you didn't play the game
Do you understand that's the point, right?

>>716303454
Counter Strike and Warcraft 3 and Heroes were the only games my gaming club had so you either liked them or had no reason to be there.

>>716312254
Yup you're right on the money, the first time I got a "victory royale" in fortnite awhile back was a gigantic dopamine rush

>>716302929 (OP)
Bethesda games
rather I think it's less pretending more they're actually just severely mentally ill

For me its slurping down the jello as loud as possible right from the cup.

>>716303469
Refrigerated jelly is fucking amazing in summer heat.

>>716302929 (OP)
Any remake or remaster.
I also find it hard to believe that younger people can like Morrowind. It's just not action packed at all

any sonic the hedgehog
i'm tired of pretending to like this shit, it's like joy division

>>716320417
'refrigerated [insert food/drink] is fucking amazing in summer heat' has the same cope energy as 'fun with friends'

>>716325810
I don't think so

>>716302929 (OP)
Jelly is based

>>716302929 (OP)
persona and dragon quest. I dont feel like anyone actually plays them and after playing some of both there's much better jrpgs out there

>>716307864
I really can't understand this obsession with deplorable realism. These bitches are built like 5'4 fridges. Little squat aunties in cheap garb. I'm sincerely not even asking for coomer proportions or a conventionally pretty face here, just for *some* kind of idealization, some heroic ideal. These are Mortal Kombat characters? Basically wicked gods and goddesses, who disembowel their foes mercilessly. Do anything but "42 y/o tatted up cosplayer" bod, please.

>>716308628
>Maybe you'll play borderlands but some asshole ninjas all the loot
every bl game has easy as fuck dupes and everyone having access to whatever loot makes the game more fun, anyone who does this is sub 70 iq and deserves to be slapped straight

>>716303237
STALKER SoC and CoP were legitimately good games. STALKER 2 blows Blackrock-sponsored tranny cock, though

>>716302929 (OP)
Monster hunter
Any mmo after 2010 except runescape
Any gacha
Kingdom hearts if you didn't play it as a kid
Grand theft auto if you aren't brown

>>716302929 (OP)
>What game are you sure people only pretend to like?

>>716309396
>Surely not a full grown, clever man succumbing to peer pressure?
KEK on what planet do you live?

>>716305687
you are retarded as fuck

>>716302929 (OP)
jello kryptonite yummy

>>716305687
Tripfag being based for once

>>716302929 (OP)
Death Stranding

>>716304058
I'm the only person I know who likes jello and I'm also one of the most autistic people I know

>>716303037
>fun with friends!
I fucking hate this shit because cleaning a toilet is fun with friends. watching paint dry is fun with friends. It’s not the compliment people think it is. May as well say “well, you tried!”

>>716302929 (OP)
Destiny 2

>>716303285
It’s a good game but such a try hard response. I remember one of the Sprouse brothers was asked what his favorite game was and he’s like “oh it’s a tie between Majoras mask and shadow of the colossus” with pretentious picks in an attempt to appear artsy and sophisticated

>>716302929 (OP)
Expedition 33 because they must feel proud they beat the Japanese (they didn't)

>>716302929 (OP)
Waldmeister Wackelpudding is delicious you uncultured swine

>>716303771
I don’t think FF has been in it since 2

>>716304368
enjoying a game for its game aspects. Not the story, not the visuals, not the soundtrack, not in an attempt to seem “artsy and sophisticated” just having fun PLAYING the GAME. Billy Hatcher is objectively a bad game in most aspects but it’s silly and FUN

>>716326273
It definitely does. Anything cold is going to be refreshing in the summer heat. It’s a pointless compliment
>inb4 you say something retarded like nuh uh dog shit isn’t!

>>716313135
>some people who claim it's secretly good
pvp has a TON of nuance, in game is just mindless a spam however

>>716323180
I'm a older zoomer and I love morrowind because the world mogs anything that can before or after in the series along with the crazy sandbox world and approach to quest design (which works unlike daggerfall)

jello is bad because it has very little texture and very little flavor and it's not filling
if I wanted to eat pure sugar I'd just get some pixy stix

>>716329121
that’s why you need a dollop of whipped cream or ice cream to go with it or even some crumbly topping or something. jello on its own is meh

>>716303237
Jrpg's are games for "gamers" that dont rrally like gaming. Half of jrpg imbeciles I know never even finished their "favorite games". I had a friend that was obsessed with Neptunia, and then I found out that she barely played those games.

>>716329646
>persona 5 fan excited to finally play it for the first time!!
before they ported it this was very much a real thing

>>716302929 (OP)
dota and lol

every fighting game ever made

>>716302929 (OP)
>What game are you sure people only pretend to like?
maybe not exactly the point but everyone I know that plays stuff like Dota, CS, Overwatch etc. only ever shits on the game and complains about what a bad time they're having

>>716303775
gamma is anomaly anon.

I swear smash fags don’t even play those games and just get caught up in the “roster hype” bullshit

>>716327857
Beer for most people is an acquired taste. I hated it for years before I had an Erdinger Weissbier
, which completely changed my perception of it.

>>716310494
TRVKE. Rollslop is some of the most overrated shit of all time.

>>716329824
Shut the fuck up retard

>>716302929 (OP)
gacha. i get playing for story or characters, but the game part in these games is designed to waste your time with stupid shit to make you also waste your money.

>>716327857
a cold Weissbier on a hot day is what heaven feels like

>>716302929 (OP)
God Hand easily is the most "unfun shit people pretend to like to look cool" game of all time

>Inb4 cutscenes meme niggers spam "le ur not transxander

I refuse to believe anyone actually enjoys playing Destiny 2, especially the people who have 2000+ hours in it. They hate it the most.

>>716327857
>beer
guaranteed rage bait. Nice job
>I don’t like this thing so everybody must be pretending!
It’s such good bait it’s actually baiting me right now and making me angry just knowing people are actually out there that think like this. Where does this sense of ego even come from?
>yes, this thing mankind has been consuming for thousands of years is actually bad and people are just pretending to like it because I don’t
>ignore the fact that people even enjoy the non alcoholic versions of it!

>>716303454
Brainlet opinion. People love those games but hate the cancer matchmaking. League and Dota are still some of the best competitive games I ever played...before they turned to shit ofc.

>>716330052
I even like the game and I agree. It’s 100% the type of game somebody will put in their top 5 to appear cultured and interesting. It’s unique and fun but damn it’s not THAT great. The girls are fucking hot in it though

>>716329927
>>716310494
That's because Demon's and Dark souls was more about the adventure and exploring a dark medieval fantasy world. They were never fighting games. We didn't play them for the rolling.

The genre has evolved into fighting games, as we see now with Nightreign. It's an action combat game. But like you said, rolling is not fucking interesting as a game mechanic.

>>716303775
TRVKE

>>716330136
the previous replies seemed pretty respectful about it. Your post is the most ragey. Let's see if someone takes the bait.

>>716302929 (OP)
Porn games

>>716329824
They're both Misery.

>>716330384
It made me angrier the more I started typing

>>716330549
lmao

>>716302929 (OP)
any game streamed on twitch

>>716330439
Imagine the PNC

>>716327857
i think some people just too sensible to the taste of alcohol so beer, wine, etc. tastes like shit no matter what

>>716329949
Its true. Gamma is just a modpack for Anomaly

>>716302929 (OP)
Fighting games and Monster Hunter

>>716330774
And Anomaly is just a modpack for CoP. They are distinct entities with wildly different gameplay. Stop being retarded, Ivan.

>>716329839
there is definitely a cult around rosterfagging that doesnt even touch the games, yeah
they are a highly vocal minority though

>>716302929 (OP)
Souls games beyond DS1. Most normalfags just play them so they can pretend to be hardcore gamers or whatever.

>>716304368
the "right" way (my way) as stated by >>716305316 and >>716328562, the fun police

>>716308164
sometimes i thank god for my autism
>why do that?
>because you just *HAVE TO*
uh, no, i don't. maybe you do, but i don't

bomberman

>>716302929 (OP)
skyrim
it's really boring

>>716329073
Are there no other games with such a world ADD action combat?

>>716302929 (OP)
Fighting games.

>>716303285
It was great when it came out and still holds up if you play the original. Ironically looking "better" made it worse. I will wait for the autist who always posts comparison photos to back me up.
>Fromsoft
I do think every From game except Bloodborne is greatly overrated.
>MGS
This is just hating fun. Talking about the original trilogy only hear.

>>716327358
>posts safe horny muscle woman instead

>>716302929 (OP)
Runescape.

>>716302929 (OP)
every team based pvp game.
you have to play them otherwise people stigmatize you for wrongthink.

>>716335819
>you have to play them otherwise people stigmatize you for wrongthink.
elaborate

FromSoft games
>woah dude I dodge-rolled the attack with a thousand frames of complete invulnerability and now I get to attack the boss once or twice and repeat!
>woah a new sword with flavor text "It was once used by Prince Fillertextulon". I better watch a 10 hour video on who he is! The lore is so heckin' deep!!!!!!!!
To add insult to injury, the games aren't even hard. The average shovelware game for kids on the NES is significantly harder.

>>716335819
???

>>716302929 (OP)
from software games

>>716330136
ok non-alcoholic beers are 100% just people pretending to like it. They don't taste anything close to the real thing

>>716335819
>elementary school lunch table problems

>>716309396
>Surely not a full grown, clever man succumbing to peer pressure?
Blame evolution which made the idea of divulging from your group's norms and being ostracized undesired.

>>716302929 (OP)
half life 2, I could see people being impressed when it first came out but actually going back now and playing it and still saying they enjoy it

>>716339151
i replayed it like 2 years ago and it was still great

>>716302929 (OP)
You guys don't actually hate jelly do you?

FF7

>>716339237
I don't hate it but it's not good.

>>716302929 (OP)
Death Stranding

>>716302929 (OP)
E33

>>716339237
i don't hate it but would never seek it out. the flavors aren't even worthwhile, it's just generic cheap candy. texturefags are the only ones who enjoy it

>>716302929 (OP)
New Vegas. That shit sucks.

It wouldn't surprise me if jello was made from humans

>>716310047
Even back in the days of playing Hunger Games in Minecraft, the dopamine cycle of the battle royale genre is hard to beat.

>>716341184
I would rather have humans made of jello.

>>716330136
Well plenty of it tastes like cheap piss and it's a "social drink" for a number of occasions and it's alcoholic meaning both people can get addicted and people will drink it for more than just taste. All that summed up means plenty of people have never had good beer and think anyone still bothering is just a poser or got used to the shit aspects of it. Coffee is similar to me.
>this thing mankind has been consuming for thousands of years is actually bad
I mean that's true of cigarettes, it's not the craziest thought

>>716303037
fpbp

>>716330735
I'll drink socially, and some so a pretty good job with flavor, but I'm like this. A huge chunk of alcoholic drinks will feel like I'm sucking on a sharpie. It's a shame too because I love the smell of beer.

>>716338310
I hear you but that's a different matter. For starters even within a group, you should be able to present new ideas or else things stagnate. Everything "cool" these days started because someone voiced the thought or acted upon it. But also nobody but teens in psas really pressure you to drink. Especially since drinkers love a designated driver, it's win win. Potheads though are insufferable, I don't think I've ever met a single smoker who hasn't insisted I should try it and proudly mentioned who they've gotten into it. I'm just fine not smelling like a skunk and blowing money on parsley the rest of my life.

Nobody eats jello past public school years

>>716303775
Unless you've played and beaten OP 2.2 you've never played a STALKER game

>>716304001
>calling jam "jelly"
>calling jelly "jello"
americans are such infantile retards, it's so pathetic

>>716303237
>every single jrpg
Some are fun, but you need to be autistic and easily entertained by "bunch of numbers go up"
>stalker games
Original trilogy was hit or miss. Call of Prypiat still holds up esp. with mods. Stalker 2 is dogshit
>spec ops the line
No one enjoys playing this. People praise the story but it's a boring piece of shit to play which is why no one bought it

>>716339237
I like ot, but don't make it.
Goes good with vodka

>>716343606
Jam and Jelly are two different things, and jello is more a brand name that through popularity shifted into a noun.

>>716343606
Rent free
And then schooled by
>>716344893

>>716327220
>dragon quest.
I have never seen a franchise so transparently only liked as a social/status symbol until I saw the fans of this one.
Nobody will ever talk about the gameplay, or the characters, or the story, or even the music of the games. In fact, mostly nothing about the games are discussed beyond vague ideas of
>Japan likes it so it's BAAAAAAAASED
>it says the church is good so it's BAAAAAAAAAAAASED
Just shit like that.
I guess some people say "muh Toriyama", but I swear these people did not exist before he died, I remember so many Chrono Trigger threads where his sameface issues got made fun of to hell and back.