Thread 716329182

TALES HAS NO GAMES SINCE 2021

How does a series peak on their first release?
The first half an hour of this game hits harder than any other Tales.
Only Chloe giving in to her Shadow in Legendia comes close.

>>716329182 (OP)
and that game was so shit it doesn't even qualify as a Tales game

Did Arise really come out then? Jesus, how has it been so long since another title?

After the shitstorm that was Arise, I don't mind it.

Fucking game couldn't even be played in co-op, a staple of the series.

I am hype for the incoming mysterious remaster (Please let it be Abyss)

>>716329182 (OP)
Which is better as a franchise overall (character/story wise? Tales or Trails?

Reminder that Phantasia actually sold like shit on release and only got popular through word of mouth.

>>716329182 (OP)
Symphonia was the original wokeslop game, a plot centering on the racism and oppression against half-breed mutts who “dindu nuffin” all while you could make Lloyd gay and pair him up with a guy in your party.

>>716329716
You must be joking

Since 2009/2013 without a good game.

Eternia is my favourite one, followed by Graces F and Hearts R in third place.

>There never will be a remaster collection of all the 2D tales games

I hate this timeline

>>716336331
>Eternia, Graces, and Hearts
Literally all the worst ones story-wise…

>>716336382
I like games that are fun to play, story is not that important to me.

Vesperia was really good tho, in both departments

>>716329716
First game isn't the same as first release.

>>716333189
I like Trails characters more, but Tales are better games, combat is more fun and the characters are pretty good as well. And, especially, they are better standalone games.

>>716336491
>vesperia
>story
>really good
Did you actually bother to read the text onscreen?
It was several levels of shit and the cast spent more time sucking yuri's cock than actually being characters.

>>716336382
Nope, that's Vesperia and Zestiria

>>716336659
I personally think the worst one was Destiny 1

>>716333189
I prefer Trails for the characters and story, but it's a different animal because it's one continuous story. Tales of games overall are hit and miss, but the good ones are really fucking good.

>>716336850
Hm, Destiny had the worst villain and worst second half. At least Duke looks cool. Maybe, then.

>>716333189
Two different things, one is a self contained series and the other one has 10+ games in the same world
Gameplay is not even similar

The Tales/Kiseki comparison is always weird. The only thing in common are the western names being Trails + preposition and the anime aesthetic (and that's 90% of the genre).

>>716337478
They are the "niche rpgs that never made it big" series.
Tales got bigger but its still no very relevant like say Persona managed to get.

>>716329182 (OP)
The 2nd best Tales game., right behind Abyss.

>>716336491
>vesperia
>fun to play
Most of the combat time is gonna be TP management, which is fucking ass. I just wanna do Shining Fang into Wailing Havoc more than three times without my TP going into the red.

i've never played one and idk why
i think i have a PS3 copy of Symphonia

>>716337968
I dunno, I remember abusing Brutal Fang because it was fun.

>>716338110
That's probably the best localized port of Symphonia.

>>716329182 (OP)
After how fucking awful Arise was I'd say that's a good thing. The only game I'd unironically say is worse than Zesteria and the definitive worst game in the entire series.

>>716337049
2nd half of Destiny DC is so obnoxious I almost don't want to finish it

>>716338475
>30 FPS
No.

>>716338723
KH2FM was 30 on PS2 so i can live with that

>>716338723
there's no way around it, anon.

Not even modding the PC Port can achieve 60fps.

You can only wonder how did they manage to fuck up the engine so much from back then they did the PS2 port, that it kept carrying all the way to modern consoles and PC.

We fucking had it perfectly fine on the Game Cube, but that missing content.

Will be forever mad about this predicament.

>>716338723
I'll take the extended bonus dungeon, new supers, new attacks, new side quests, and new costumes over the 30fps.

>>716329716
S.Famicom Phantasia is the least good version of Phantasia after GBA and mobile.

>>716333189
Tales. Trails is the soup kitchen of popular anime-style JRPG franchises.

>>716339834
>The best version of Phantasia is still untranslated.

Being a Tales fan is suffering.

>>716339834
>>716336563

You are right.
The va of cless during his parents death and the music. Tragic.

>>716335176
Its true.
Going to fetch Chester and seeing his dead imouto, the same one that gave him a doll made after him, Implying a child like crush, hits harder than anything Tales has done in subsequent games.

>>716337968
>Most of the combat time is gonna be TP management, which is fucking ass
This was always a stretch and I will always roll my eyes every time reading this shit, no matter how much Team Destiny fans parrot this over and over.
TP is fine, Eternia, Symphonia and Abyss are all pretty fun to play and have flashy combat systems. Way more fast and fun than rollslop a lot of Action RPG fans play nowadays.
Especially if you play with Reid/Farah/Lloyd/Luke and Guy.
Vesperia is kinda boring because of manual cancelling and most good skills only unlocking in endgame, but otherwise it has excellent combat in the metagame too.
If you're always without TP in TP games, that's your fault for just spamming Artes like you do in Team Destiny or Arte Tree games. Artes are special skills, you are supposed to balance their use between the moments to attacks, defend, evade spells and take distance from enemies. Using items and cooking are part of the mechanics of those games for a reason, too.

>>716340484
It could be way, way worse... Thankfully LifeBottle has been on a roll lately.
>ToI:R
>TOD:DC
>TOR

You got plenty of stuff to play in the meantime.

>>716340826
Eternia is "fine" for its time, Symphonia and Abyss are ass
>If you're always without TP in TP games, that's your fault for just spamming Artes like you do in Team Destiny or Arte Tree games.
Brainlet take, you're without TP in those games because they're poorly balanced, Team Destiny games use CC because the combat is actually slightly technical and you need to know how to combo and actually pace your offense, CC is an actual meaningful resource rather than being a no-fun-allowed brake that limits you from killing things too fast, which is also why it became the dominant model later on in the series, it simply works.
>you are supposed to balance their use between the moments to attacks, defend, evade spells and take distance from enemies
You're not supposed to do shit, you can just stack gels and get TP reduction to the point that TP is completely irrelevant, it's literally just a powergating mechanic for poorly designed combat

>>716337809
FUCKS LIKE A TIGER

>>716340826
>Artes are special skills, you are supposed to balance their use between the moments to attacks, defend, evade spells and take distance from enemies. Using items and cooking are part of the mechanics of those games for a reason, too.
Doesn't that completely go away by the time you reach the latter half of the games? Like TP costs reducing to 1, or restoring all the cost of your arte. You no longer have to "balance their use" and it becomes an arte spam fest. Sure you can say it's your reward and this is your victory lap, but you're not even done with the game by the time you get these, so you're not engaging with this balance you're talking about for the climax.

>>716341313
Less brainlet than moaning about being without TP. In CC games, particulary Graces and after that, characters don't even have enough CC to pull cool combos for half of the game anyway.
Cooking and items are there to be used. Dilate.

Good. Arise was dogshit and they need to do better.

>>716342429
Most games balance go away at half/endgame, especially RPGs.

I'm still shocked that despite having Tales be a flagship franchise, half of it is still JP-only or stuck on ancient releases and never got brought forwards again. Like Bamco's done the absolute bare minimum to bother trying to bring the series over, including with shit ass ports like Symphonia.

>>716329182 (OP)

Edna needs to save Tales

>>716329716
>How does a series peak on their first release?
Destiny wasn't the first

>>716343808
I seen her does double anal with ease

It's over

>>716340484
The PS1 version has been translated for years dude.

Do any of the later games handle the combat a bit better than Abyss did? I really wanted to love Abyss, but it was so easy to infinitely combo everything

>>716329182 (OP)
I've never played a Tales game yet, is Tales of Phantasia a good starting point?

>>716347469
Yes. For example, some of Vesperia's bosses can have a small chance to ignore an incoming hit, giving them a large enough window to recover and counterattack. In Xillia 2, dropping the weakness combo will allow bosses to shrug off your current combo and ironstance through your attacks for a bit.
Other games like Graces and Zestiria require you to stop attacking for a bit to recharge your gauge (which you need to use to attack), giving enemies a chance to fight back.

>>716348360
Good. Probably going to jump back into the series soon then. I had initially resolved to play through it (albeit in a weird order). I started with Symphonia, then went to Abyss which I expected to like the most but it was such a... not good game, it killed my playthrough in its tracks. Between being a carrier pigeon and spending a majority of the game flying from a to b and back to a to deliver messages, being able to perfect every boss in the game just by timing my party's attacks was not fun.

>>716347469
Abyss is too broken, being the first game with a full 3-D combat. Most of the previous games had more balanced combat, even.

>>716347765
It is, although, I won't lie, the combat is too slow for me.
Phantasia and Eternia are good 2-D Tales entry points. Symphonia, Abyss or Xillia are decent entry points for the 3-D ones.

>>716329716
>How does a series peak on their first release?
Second*
The remake is also worse more often than it is better. Would not play again.

>>716340670
>It's true
Brother in Christ, it's the most cliche beginning you can imagine in a videogame storyline. No one in the village has any personality, you don't give a shit about Cless' faceless parents and the only reason you "care" about Amy is because she has a generic "I-I will try my b-best and love niisan and Cless-san!". They all die 5 minutes in the game and Chester then disappears for half the game. To imply it's the most emotional moment in the game nevermind the franchise is so bafflingly deluded I will assume you're just baiting or trying too hard to seem le cultured and old-school.

>>716349874
Its true.
Your lack of basic empathy doesn't change that.
Doesnt help you cant counter with anything from the subsequent games.

>>716337809
Fellow Abyss enjoyer

>>716350159
Not him, but Leon's death was sadder. I forgot Chester even had a sister.

>>716340826
Based and true. Mixing in regular attacks and Cooking post-battle, having to keep up with ingredients in shops, is comfy.

>>716350159
Baiting or trying too hard, then

>>716349215
I do appreciate what it tries to do, but yeah, if you can get the party attacks coordinated you will take on any boss at whatever level you want and perfect them with little effort.

I do eventually want to go back and play all the side content as the story plays out as apparently that game is very, VERY particular on when you play the side quests or it will lock you out of them. I want to see if it sort of breaks up the monotony of the main quest.

>>716347025
>The 3rd best version has been translated for years dude.
We know, we were talking about THE best aka the No. 1 version of the game.

>>716349643
The demake looks like garbage

>>716352283
>Garr

>>716352283
Of all the things to attack the remake for, the visuals might be the dumbest one.

>>716349643
What's so bad about the remake? been thinking on giving it a shot now that it has been translated.

>>716342531
>TP GOOD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SPAM ARTES (wrong)
>CC BAD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SPAM ARTES (also wrong)
I hate Symphonianiggers like you wouldn't believe, good thing you only shat out three terrible games

is Symphonia > Vesperia > Berseria
a good way to get into the franchise?

>>716352890
Nothing, it's just the usual contrarians on /v/

>>716353203
I wouldn't skip so many games between Vesperia and Berseria. The latter is also a prequel to Zestiria. If you've no interest in the 2D ones, I'd say at least play Abyss and Xillia first unless you're really, *really* interested in Berseria from the outside looking in

>>716354523
It's amazing how much better Berseria is compared to Zestiria.

And then how crappy Arise is compared to Berseria. Goddamit Bamco, get it together.

>>716351932
Sorry but Phantasia is way better on the PS1 than the PSP or whatever you're thinking of.

>>716355306
>full voice
>all gba content
>no spell freeze
yeah, no you stupid nigger, the ndx version mogs the ps1 version hard

>>716355306

Phantasia X literally has Eternia gameplay but better, what has the PS1 version against it?

>>716355719
grok replace the bottle with an onahole

>>716356095
Sorry, I cant do that.

>>716329182 (OP)
ppl on the tales subreddit were saying the announcement will be tomorrow

>>716352890
never played the full OG but from what I could tell when going through DC it definitely feels more soulless in places. NPC's just kinda stand there where they were more often animated in the OG, some events happen a little differently in DC and things mainly get sped up but sometimes does give more context. Some stuff I found personally aggravating is the gald situation in the game being the toughest in any Tales of I've ever played and the 2nd half random battles getting super obnoxious.

>>716352007
God fucking damn Anise's model is downright criminal
>spats
>no armpits

>>716358253
Is tomorrow some special Tales day or something? If it's real, seems like this is just out of the blue.

>>716359976
No, people believe it will be announced in a Nintendo Direct. It probably will, but the Direct is not even announcet yet.
Maybe next week.

>>716336331
yea i love these games too

eternia one of best tales games, all characters are mechanically different, 2,5 worlds, 2 worlds has overworld map, underwater map, flying, orbis barrier has 2 sides of it, millions of quests and bosses

graces f is like top 1 game, combats and leveling are very good, characters and story not really but combats top 1

hearts r has very good combats too

i mean TALES games has some good stuff like ABYSS, but really tales of abyss is some movie, with okay plotline and characters, and very bad combats, battles, leveling, bosses, gearing and so on, no one will play this game more than 1 time

while tales of eternia i completed like 3-4 times

When's the Xillia port

>>716360543
tomorrow

>>716360543
If it's only the first one for full price, hopefully never.
>but Symphonia
Was already a long, full game with plenty of content that never needed DotNW besides the shitty mana resolution. Phantasia already existed and was also great, while Xillia is an unfinished mess with little content carried entirely by the combat and some few characters.

>>716352283
Nah, its really nice looking. The visuals and voice acting were the only thing keeping me going until I finished it.

>>716352890
Horrendous map design, dungeons are turned into 90% samey hallways, literally like the same camera angles and everything, almost requires drawing your own map to keep track of where you are. Towns are now are now confusing to navigate as they are a collection of random feeling backgrounds your walk around in, I don't know why they couldn't have just kept the top down view, everything is a thousand times harder to ake a mental map of.
You never buy equipment beyond very early on in the game. You just upgrade what you have with lens, making gald as useless as lens were in the original game.
To top off the shit dungeon design, most of the items you find are things you can buy, aka worse than what you have equipped.
Encounters take much longer with enemies in general being more of damage sponges and some encounters having reinforcements come in.
Trying to control your AI party is a total crapshoot, feels super inconsistent compared to the original.

>>716360543
It's gonna be Abyss, I have no proof but neither doubts.

Just give me my fucking Abyss remaster already so I can stop booting up PCSX2.

Someday i will finish graces

>>716355306
This anon is right. Battle system's sprites are now inconsistent because they don't remain chibi as they are in the entire rest of the game unlike in other versions (and unlike Eternia, that keeps the more realistic proportions in the overworld as well) but most importantly, half the GBA additions are godawful.
The smaller Cave of Darkness? Bad
The extra 11 floors added to the Moria Mine? Bad
That whole sidequest chain with Arsia and Brambert that reads like cheap nonsensical fanfiction? HOLY FUCKING CHRIST ON A CROSS, BAD

>>716359787
Why do you want to see a little girl's panties and armpits, anon?

>>716355306
Sorry but Phantasia is way better on the PSP running at 60fps (ToPX) or with more voice acting on top of looking just like the PS1 version (ToP FVE) than the PS1 or whatever you're thinking of.

>>716361957

>Anise
>152cm, Taller than Rita and Edna
>Every artist draw her as short as Patty even the official ones

>>716355523
Some of that is bad and only newfags complain about spells.

>>716360439
>no one will play this game more than 1 time
Speak for yourself fren

>>716362849
You're joking right? Like 5 hours of phantasia's play time is watching spell animations. You're addled if you're really saying you'd rather sit there and watch them than play the fucking game. Also you can actually dodge enemy spells since you're not locked in place while they're happening.

What is your favourite Tales opening?

>>716365123
Toss up between https://youtu.be/htImL49Bmw8, https://youtu.be/dGFCskRNZ-E, https://youtu.be/i4L7qoZmK7o and https://youtu.be/MB4bvAK__Ks

The best Tales game actually got a full english fan translation since then

>>716366156
The director's cut boxart sucks man. The original PS2 boxart was perfect

>>716365123
Xillia 2.
Symphonia's orchestral opening has a special place in my heart for being my first Tales.

>>716366386
I don't think I could possibly disagree more.
Tales series doesn't really have good box arts, but Directors Cut is easily the best one

Any tips before jumping into Tales of Hearts R? The one anon in the thread had me interested.


>>716366156
>>716366386
I just wish the damn sequel would get translated

>>716329182 (OP)
FUCK DHAOS
but also, he did nothing wrong
sex with archie

>>716366504
No, he's right. It's literally just key art of Lion on purple background with the original destiny cover art lazily slapped behind him.

>>716366990
>no you see my villain is actually le deep if you read out of game interviews and a novel and play a spin-off game released later
Dhaos is a loser

My favorite tales is the one I played first

Phantasia is, literally, unironically, the best tales game. More grounded, better paced, little to no bloat, darker tone without the trademark Tales emotional whiplash every 30 minutes.

>>716329182 (OP)
And it hasn't had a completely good game in 20 years!

>>716369183
>More grounded

>>716336382
My man you have some absolute DOGSHIT taste.

>>716329716
Why cant i get an official english version in the 2025

>>716368906
Same here

>>716329716
They should make Phantasia a 3D remake.
Its about time.

>>716343808
She couldn't even save her brother.

>>716370121
Have Xeen do it

Is there a Tales of party that you like the most? Or maybe you just like the way they interact and it's almost always a treat to see a new skit? I feel like Vesperia, Hearts R, Graces f (especially the future arc), and Berseria all really excel at party member interactions.

>>716370654
I don't see how Vesperia's cast can be put on the same level as Graces and Hearts.

>>716365123
If I'm not deepthroating Abyss for mothership titles I'd have to go with Graces, Destiny, and Xillia 2. These all have some of the most solid presentation and the song choice is on point. Innocence R song is too good for its opening visuals. Luminaria also has this problem and I can't even say its because its mobileslop because those have some consistently good openings. As for spinoffs obviously Radiant Mythology 2 and 3, Asterias 2nd arc, and pretty much everything from Rays.

I can't help but pop a boner every time Cheria talks. It is burned into my subconcious

>>716370654
Berseria's party carried the whole game. Literally every character has some kind of meaningful interaction with each other. The series is full of great parties but a lot of them end up revolving solely around the mc instead of each other in unique ways.

snes phantasia had the best sprites, that chibi shit can go in the dumpster, gaia online lookin ass

>>716363507
It's fine.

>>716329182 (OP)
Sex with Mint and Arche.

>>716371324
>gaia online lookin ass
kek

>>716363015
Sex with Natalia.

>>716370654
xilia, someday we will ahve a pc port

>>716366386
Sex with Rutee.

>>716371219
Sex with Eleanor.

Sex with Magilou

>>716371419
TRUEKE
>>716371501
TRUEKE
>>716371573
TRUEKE
>>716371626
false

>>716371959
kys zoomer

REEEEEEPLIIIIIIIIICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>716371324
What are you even saying? Phantasia SNES has chibi/SD sprites.

Which game has the best canonical romance

>>716371573
based

>>716372648
Tales of tomboy marriage.

>>716372648
Destiny 2

>>716372841
Destiny 2 isnt translated ;_;

>>716329716
It did peak with the first one, but even it was barely a 6/10.
Played it when it first got fan-translated on ZSNES in 2001. Once i got over the initial shock of seeing a fully voiced introduction, i realised the game itself was really mediocre.

We can probably blame Tales of Phantasia for somewhat ruining the genre, as it basically turned future JRPG's into low budget shounen anime TV shows.

>>716372539
https://youtu.be/yzjy09H47_w

>>716372769
B
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>>716333189
They're both so horribly generic it's hard to choose.

>>716333189
i love my stories to be self-contained and not DECADES long, same reason i only play YS but not trails

>>716339834
in order words it's the 2nd best after the PS1 version (PSP was just a port)

Not trying to bring anyone down or crap on their favorite game, but for those who enjoued Abyss... how did you enjoy it? I felt like a carrier pigeon for a good 80% of the game as youd often have to travel half the map just to give some dialogue, then travel back for more dialogue, then give the answer from the last dialogue to the first. The kings legit use you as a royal mailman and you rarely do anything to break up the monotony

>>716373161
Simple: I adore the setting and I'm immersed in the world and the characters in it. With the Albiore, it's just fast traveling to a location, you don't have to literally trek through the same environments over and over like in other games. And personally while I can understand why it rubs some the wrong way, for me it reinforces the world building. Unlike other JRPGs (and desu Tales in general tends to be relatively good with this), there's no village you visit only once then becomes static for the rest of the game once its 'plot relevance' has ended 5 hours in. The world descends further into war and destruction and each town's NPCs react at the different stages with new dialogues and prices changing based on inflation due to the chaos. From things like sinking into the Qliphoth to the mass appearance of replicas to the return of the miasma, the NPCs and game's world leaders always have something to say about it. To me returning to previous areas makes the world more cohesive and gives me the chance to interact with said new changes. There's moments in the plot like "we have to make the world ease into the Qliphoth, but before you do you need to ask the world leaders for cooperation in this history changing event". Now from a gameplay standpoint if you want it to be over with you'll see it as padding but for me and from a story perspective it's absolutely fucking necessary and contributes a lot to the atmosphere. Why *wouldn't* a bunch of (mostly) teenagers not ask the monarchs of the world for help on how to tackle the apocalypse? You don't just have the main characters saving the world completely on their own whims and further builds up the rest.

TLDR if you're already immersed in the game you'll be even MORE engaged and will want to see what those characters have to say. You'll be drawn in even more. On the other hand if you're bored you'll just think "ugh, I have to fly back there *again*? More cutscenes? Fuck this" and dislike it that much more.

Symphonia and Berseria are the best

>>716329716
Phantasia SNES sucked shit, it only got good with the PSX release. best game in the franchise is Destiny PS2

>>716373845
Ah, maybe thats it. I didn't really like any of the characters outside of Luke, Tear, and Guy and the worlds lore was kinda hard to understand so for a lot of it I was just rolling with it. I hear there's a lot more to break up the monotony if you follow a guide as a lot of the sidequests have very specific time frames. Even still, the gameplay is hard to get into as its very, very easy to stunlock everything into infinity. Still, its the Tales game I wish I liked the most.

>>716365123
There are several candidates but only _______Karma_______ can stand on top.

>>716329716
none of the faggots who replied seething played Phantasia and you can tell. Nigger zoomers.

>>716373845
Agreed. Also, Abyss' worldbuilding going so far that it even extends to explain gameplay mechanics is the cherry on top.
>fon marking in combat
>contamination effect
>C.Cores, FSCs
>FoFs
etc

>>716375295
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/3ds/609541-tales-of-the-abyss/faqs/67607
For when (if) you ever decide to replay the game. Tales in general hide a lot of character information/reveals teased in the main plot, in sidequests

>>716372886
Bruh, by the early 90s Japan was already churning out a ton of games which were really nothing more than interactive anime, some with next-to-no-gameplay, some with good appropriate gameplay. The trend had already started in the 80s on their various computers and was quickly applied to consoles once they could put in fully voiced and animated cutscenes.

>>716375807
Proof that Abyss's world fucking sucks. No universe would allow Legretta to be single.

Great cast, iffy gameplay. I really loved this Tales game and no one talks about it. Sure the game was bugged that your teches would go twice and yeah doing a basic attack would do more damage than using techs anyways, but it has SOUL.

>>716375879
It also has great music. I can excuse the iffy eres and dungeon design... but no co-op seriously fucking sucks.

Franchise like Tales really suffered from the death of the DS/3DS.

>>716376091
Oh yeah no co-op blows ass…if i ever make it as an indie dev, I’d love to make slop rpg’s like this. No deep themes, no crazy visuals, ps2 level graphics with multiplayer would be really nice

>>716375878
Legretta initially tried to kill Van because her brother died in battle under him, a field operation the higher ups knew they would lose but went ahead with it anyways because it was written in the Score. Van convinced her the Score itself was to blame, and after getting close to him she fell in love. It was only later down the line that she learned her falling for Van was also written in the Score which made her hate it even more and wish for its destruction. That way, if the Score's destruction made the love disappear she'd be able to kill Van and avenge her brother, while if her love remained, she'd known for sure it was true love.

Screencap this post.
Tales of Phantasia will get a 30th anniversary edition release stated for 2025
Announcement at Gamescom 2025

>>716376372
Its 100000% will Be Xillia 1
And few months later Tales team will be disbanded

>>716329182 (OP)
Didn't Namco say they were announcing a remake or some shit in the summer? Where the fuck is the news?!

>>716329182 (OP)
The only real Tales game is Phantasia since it was made by the actual creators of the franchise before Namco stole the rights to the franchise from Wolf Team. The other games are nothing more than imitations.

>>716376468
https://talesofreplica.tumblr.com/page/9

>everyone tells me tales of Symphonia is a masterpiece held back by its chibi models
>They say the combat is outdated too

Will we ever see a remake of the game?

The PSX version would be universally better than the SNES one if not for the retarded way damage resistance is handled
>SNES: everything works as you'd expect; 50% resistance means something takes 50% less damage from that type
>PSX: 50% resistance means there's a 50% chance for no damage to be done at all, otherwise full damage is applied
You have to deal damage in order to knock an enemy back or interrupt their cast, so a lot of times you'll die or suffer major setbacks during harder fights in the PSX version because you hit the enemy and random chance determined you did 0 damage and didn't knock back that dangerous melee enemy or interrupt that caster casting "kill the whole party."

>>716376468
:(

>>716329182 (OP)
Tales of beseria - kino
Tales of vesperia - kino
Tales of zesteria....what the fuck
Tales of xillia 1 and 2 - kino

Spend over 3 years working on tales of arise. Its utter shit and somehow worse than zesteria. Namco wasted billions on arise and it's terrible on all aspects

Out of the retro (pre-vesperia/graces) tales games, which is the best?

>>716377127
lol
lmao
berseria is the only newer tales better than arise.

>>716377184
Eternia is the best 2D one, either Symphonia or Abyss are the best 3D ones

>>716377234
You have poor taste and spermed yourself over BG3 the bear sex simulator

I hope the next Tales game is a comfy adventure.

Tales... is dead

Tales is hot!

>>716333189
trails

>>716375879
Fuck this faggot for being a basic ass bitch and not fucking Chloe when she is clearly wet for him.
Or that green haired sex demon. Grun or something.

>>716382751
Colette's always cuter in fanart

Thank you Tear for the life long fetishes. Also Legretta
I really hope the Tales team have been cooking these past few years

>>716375879
Legendia, more than any other title, I would be very happy with if it got a full fledged remake. The setting is really awesome and Go Shiina elevated it to something special. It really is a shame it's held back by B team budget

>>716382751
Something about Colette is absurdly erotic but I can't put my finger on it.

>>716355719
>>716357606
Extremely lust provoking

So what happened exactly to put this series into hibernation, arise did really well right? Was it not good enough or did they dump all the profit into the dogshit gacha that released and died shortly after

>>716333189
Trails is filled to bursting with filler arcs and jobber villians. But it does make certain moments kino.
Idk, do you like the lowest lows but decent highs instead of Tales eternal mid?

>>716329182 (OP)
>TALES HAS NO GAMES SINCE 2021

Because it sells bad and no one likes it but a niche audience. It's not a good series. Let it die.

>>716329182 (OP)
MAHIRU NO SORA TSUKI GA

>>716385102
Arise did well, but the problem is how it did well. It primarily attracted the normalfag crowd who only play the FotM game and then move on to the next shiny thing. So Bamco first sees this fuckhuge crowd and they get convinced to make a DLC story that they apparently didn't really plan for before. Gotta capitalize on your massive success and all. Problem is that by the time the DLC came out, that crowd already fucking left for other vidya because they weren't Talesfags, so the DLC sold like shit, and now Bamco thinks people aren't interested in Tales because sales suddenly plummeted.
Older Talesfags, who may as well have brain damage for staying on this sinking ship, feel shit on because the recent Tales products are fucking ass. No one asked for a turn-based Tales with Crestoria. No one asked for whatever the fuck Luminaria was. And on that note, the gachas were shut down right quick, with global having a string of quickfire shutdowns after Link (which had a fairly good run), so even those who wanted to paypig got shat on.

Someone at Tales Studio fucked Bamco's CEO's wife right in front of him, and now Tales is getting fucked in the ass dry in retaliation.

>>716385180
>Because it sells bad
The last game they made is the one that sold the best

>>716385912
The fact I completely forgot that dlc came out solidifies that as the cause for me

Tales of Abyss? More like Tales of a Bitch amirite?

>>716384176
Guarantee they'll be making it "open world" for maximum normalfag appeal but I hope so too Tearbro

Where are the not-tales of knock off games these days?

>>716377419
No, I just think every Tales from Xillia and onwards is mostly shit. Another nip JRPG killed by HD towns and pseudo open world.

>>716386638
Reminder Luke and Tear are handholding with interlocked fingers in that image

>>716384143
Colette in-game: clumsy cinnamon roll with the survivability of wet tissue
Colette in fanart: ethereal holy waifu glowing with divine femininity and thighs that could save the world
It's actually insane how consistent artists are at leveling her up into S-tier material.

>>716382751
God I just want to FUCK Colette.

>>716329182 (OP)
Come home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqf0n40vdjU

>>716333189
Tales games are significantly higher quality than Trails.

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>>716385108
>All Tales are eternally mid
Both Symphonia and Abyss have better and more complex stories than any Trails game.

>>716385108
Trails is bottom-tier entertainment. Truly abysmal writing quality. Even if Tales is shit, it's still the best thing ever compared to Trails.

>>716390956
>Symphonia
>good story
It was the very first wokeslop game, see here: >>716334308

>>716352890
ignore the contrarians, DC's battle system alone makes it ten times better than the original.
>>716361324
what? ps1 dungeons were crap too. And the ps1 AI does literally nothing to the point where the game is nearly turn based as you spend more times baby sitting them and going through menus wheres in DC they actually do combos etc.

>>716329182 (OP)
Arise was just that shit

>>716391378
>my eroded schizo mind retroactively schizzes out about old games

>>716372648
Destiny 2, Hearts, Arise, and Abyss

>>716342137
>trannylations that make shit up are fine if I think it's funny

>>716368906
Indeed, I emulated the Dejap translation of Phantasia.

>>716392443
Just because it didn’t have a name put on it yet doesn’t mean Symphonia wasn’t woke.

>>716370654
Xillia 2, Hearts R and Legendia

>>716375589
Yes, they played every Phantasia version instead of being a tourist that only played the S.Famicom version.

>>716376558
And considering how shit Star Ocean is, stealing the IP was for the best. Phantasia was the only good game the original creators produced.

>>716394950
In the same way that you're still mentally ill even thought you haven't been diagnosed.

>>716385102
Nothing really, just a lack of communication. Bamco almost immediately recruited new staff to work on a new Tales game after Arise, they just haven't said anything about it. Last year they had to cancel some titles in development and lay off a bunch of employees though, so it's possible that Tales was hit by that. We just don't know anything.

>>716365123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve4LqfqpdSE

>>716392240
PS1 dungeons were much better than the remakes, the consistent camera made it much easier to make a mental map of the place and there were more unique room layouts.
The AI was also better because they would actually listen to your commands. If I want to try and set up a big combo in the remake, I can't because whatever commands I give them are most likely going to get ignored. Getting a big combo was just up to pure luck of the AI randomly deciding to work with you.

>>716396983
>Phantasia was the only good game the original creators produced.
>Not Star Ocean 2 too
Heathen!

>>716333189
>tfw always heard people say trails was the highest order of kino when it came to jrpgs
>played through Trails in the Sky FC and enjoyed it, thought the writing was pretty good despite the game being a bit boring (which lines up with what people told me)
>wanted to play through the entire series despite dreading the fact that I will have to play like 15 50+ hours games
>now see people say that the games aren't that great

So which is it? Is it not worth going through the series? I think I'll still finish the Sky games before deciding whether or not I'll continue.

Can we just admit that the tales series is a bad and repetitive series? It's only good for people who want interactive anime stories, but the gameplay part has been obsolete since the PS1.
Crafting, skits and exploration are just clunky. Even mediocre games have long surpassed Tales of with bad or cheap mechanics. Even cheap games like arc rise fantasia or ar tonelico are just more fun to play that this spammy crap. Old games like star ocean 2 still beat anything even fan favorites like Tales of the Abyss do. The only things they're good at is the anime stories.

>>716398546
Play sky.
Play crossbell.
Stop there and don't bother with the rest.

>>716376468
>No one will tell me what it means
I really like the old Luke. He has character, unlike the new, boring one. He's regressed to empty bowl.

I kind of liked Arise. Don't get why it's so hated on here.

>>716399196
Anything new sucks. You'll be allowed to like it in 20 years. Until then stfu.

>>716365123
As an actual song, FLYING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOuFqdrcq5k
For the OP, predictably Abyss with Phantasia as a close second.

>>716373845
>Simple: I adore the setting and I'm immersed in the world and the characters in it.
My brother, my fellow lorefag.

>>716329182 (OP)
Bring back LMBS, fuck xillia and graces trash

>>716362213
Because I am going to purchase marry Anise

>>716365123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYluohYvFhI
I'm still mad they gave up translating the rest of the PSP games after TotW1

>>716400970
You're not really missing out. RM3 feels equally ass to play like RM1.
Rays was unironically more fun.

The best game is easily and objectively Tales of the Abyss
Literally everything is the best in the series.
Story, characters, character development, music, worldbuilding and gameplay.

>>716402169
>music
No.

>>716402219
Meaning of Birth is literally the greatest Tales song and it's not even close.

Zestiria has best Music and best girl

Heals are stored in the tits

>>716402219
Yes
https://youtu.be/IbUpdzeC_Ys
https://youtu.be/o1BtcVc8yHk
I will never not adore that bassline

>>716403698
Is Edna a healer on her game or what ?

>>716405192
Edna is an offensive caster. The blue femboy was the primary healer in that game

>>716398760
You are right.
Tales is one of the most okay rpg series out there.
Never hanging out with FF or DQ, more like tide me over titles.
Gets some recognition because Symphonia is one of the few rpgs on the gamecube.
For the most part its own niche the action rpg option for the turn based genre.
Vesperia has the symphonia effect for the 360 and one of the first 3rd gen rpgs.
Helped by FF decline.
Then action rpgs start to become the norm so slowly Tales starts to lose its niche.
Getting better sales but still isn't really relevant like say Persona got. Even the trails games get some kind of praise as in brand.
Tales has always been seen as disposable rpgs.

>>716404959
Explain Marta.

Eizen > Edna

>>716406940
>Tales has always been seen as disposable rpgs.
It’s still better than Trails at least.

>>716412817
Before the Cold Steel ones everyone was felating this series.
Good thing we dont have to act like they are anything but mid.
Crazy to think Trails is now the tide me over ones due to saturation.

>>716329182 (OP)
This is unfortunately true. Tales has been dead for a long time. Don't mourn for this series as it had two choices. It can either evolve with the times or die in irrelevancy and it chose the latter.

>>716406014
Everyone's the healer, but Edna's the only one with an AoE heal.

>>716329182 (OP)
they used to release like 2 games a year

what the fuck went wrong

>>716400959
Excellent taste, anon.

>>716336331
>and Hearts R in third place
Which one? The OG or localized trash?

Doesn't this series reuse the "there is actually a second world. Lets go there." subplot?

>>716413518
Tales Studio went bankrupt doing this.

>>716414405
Lol no. 6 Gachas in a row are the major cause why theyre bankrupt

>>716414527
Tales Studio went bankrupt in 2011. The gachas that came out after that had nothing to do with it obviously.

>>716414654
Theyre not bankrupt at that point. They just merged

>>716329182 (OP)
>WHERE'S THE NEXT ITERATION OF THIS THIRD RATE JRPG SERIES

>>716329716
fpbp
>>716374673
>it only got good with the PSX release
it ruined the music

>>716414720
Okay sorry, they were insolvent for two years and got closed before officially filing for bankruptcy. My point remains despite whatever nitpicky nonsense you come up with next.

>>716415195
Sorry bro, your point is just retarded. We know if Tales studio filed for Chapter 11 Because Bankruptcy should be made public. They just merged like Square and Enix.

After the merger, Tales studios literally had the budget to make yearly Tales. but no, they went full retard and choose to make endless gacha game instead.

Keep seething keep coping keep dilating

>>716415195
You have no idea how bankruptcy works

>>716415494
Tales Studio was in debt and losing money by the year. It's not even remotely comparable to Square Enix because for one those were two separate companies whereas Tales Studio was owned by Namco, and for two Square and Enix were both highly successful when they merged.
>After the merger, Tales studios literally had the budget to make yearly Tales
Says who?

>>716414405
you can't tell me it's better to release one bad game after spending 6 years of development on it, than to release 2 bangers a year only using a tiny fraction of the resources on each

>>716415641
Nice fanfic with zero source retard.

>>716376495
the have until august 31st

>>716329182 (OP)
>2021
2016*

>>716333189
Trails

>>716413285
The way it evolved was dogshit anyways. Arise was crap, they need to have a basic ass plot with multiplayer and that’s about it. They add in all these weird systems to rhe game that detracts a ton because you just end up doing the same shit in combat most of the time anyways.

No one cares about +10 tp nodes and then you get a tech point return on a status effect, no one knows what a fucking Zeugle is and it sounds dumb to name something that way. You want me to care about the political distinction between two aliens that both look human and the balance of power in their government system that requires you to defeat every other leader? That’s sounds cool as an idea then you realize it just means you have five bosses to defeat and it kills whatever interest you may have had, undermining the entire point of having nuanced complexity in the first place.

Instead of leaning into the combat system like a fighting game, they should have gone with a more Power Stone route about set piece battles with wacky characters.

>>716415752
https://kotaku.com/tales-studio-is-not-doing-so-well-5568531
You can see a snippet of the financial report showing their yearly loss of 100,000,000 yen here http://jin115.com/archives/51681604.html

I really don't understand why it's so hard to believe that a failing studio was absorbed into the company that owned it. Why else would it happen?

>>716416554
Not doing well =/= Bankrupt
Find me their Chapter 11 bankrupcy news. Do it for me, dog

>>716416660
I already corrected myself to call them insolvent, which doesn't change my point at all that their business strategy was a failing one. Keep harping on shit that doesn't matter to try and "win" arguments.

>>716416776
I've already won on few replies ago. You just embarrassing yourself now. Now go kill yourself to reduce human population

>>716413285
Retard

>>716416554
>>716416776
>>716416858
>>716416923

Can you two tell me what you like about the Tales games, you’re clearly both fans

>>716413518
Same thing that went wrong with the industry as a whole. GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, Manhunt, Bully, Vice City Stories and Liberty City Stories all came out in a span of 5 years. Five years is also what it took for Square to release FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, FFX and FFXI; or for From Software to release:
>King's Field
>King's Field II
>King's Field III
>Armored Core
>Armored Core: Project Phantasma
>Shadow Tower
>Echo Night
>Armored Core: Master of Arena
>Spriggan: Lunar Verse
>Frame Gride
>Echo Night 2: The Lord of Nightmares
All these games, five years. Now you're lucky if you get a direct AAA sequel in less than six years. It's not just Tales, everything is fucked.

>>716416858
I accept your concession.

>>716333189
Trails has better lolis. I still like tales of lolis but tales feels like they make loli to fill a quota while trails actually gives the lolis good character development while still filling a quota.

>>716417852
Sure. Glad you accept that youre wrong and im right.

>>716329182 (OP)
Know that reminds me that crestoria never did get a remake, damn shame cuz I liked the characters

>>716415718
Tales is not bankrupt in early 2010 like the moron said (pic related) It just bad decision over bad decision (for example Gachas) it MIGHT reached bankruptcy soon in this decade.

>>716385912
I still have no fucking idea what they were thinking with arise, legitimately everything s takes if fan would dislike in a game

>>716417539
It’s the graphical fidelity. One of the san andreas devs talked about it: the main hold back to these games is the evolving animation and graphical heights. If companies realize they don’t need all that, they can go back to making games that people will buy and enjoy.

>>716417907
>tales feels like they make loli to fill a quota
This is good unless your brain is rotten

>>716418454
>phone poster

>>716419092
Way to add fucking nothing to the conversation you stupid nigger

>>716419170
You sound mad

>>716333189
I like trails in combat gameplay but the games are completely unmemorable for me otherwise
Arise was just straight up dogshit compared to daybreak 2 being a massive disappointment and Trails is likely going to consistently keep getting games and updating the gameplay, so I'd still recommend it even if gameplay is your main draw

>>716418454
they wanted to create action rpg spectacle fighters like every other company and it came out like slop.

>>716407032
Explains her game's reception

The Team Symphonia games were the only ever actually good ones.

>>716421273
This but only destiny games

>>716418342
RM4 and the prospect of the winter 'nonno is lost to us.

>>716365123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gFG-a4iz9s
I don't remember being as hyped as i ever was with this series as when i saw Jude and Milla fighting in this op

>>716421273
>>716421309
These, but only the games I have played.

when does vespiria get good
i got to heliord

>>716385912
Don't be an idiot. Bamco killed the momentum from Arise when they decided to release two failed gachas (Crestoria/Luminaria) instead of a follow up game that improved on all of Arise's flaws so it could be more in line with the older games. Combine that with nearly every major franchise getting shelved in order to develop an utter dumpster fire of a live service game and poorly selling anime tie-ins.

>played tales of phantasia on gba and loved
>go and play tales of destiny on the ps1
>the combat got worse
Why did they do it?

>>716424743
GBA Phantasia is based on PS1 Phantasia. PS1 Phantasia came out *after* Destiny. It goes Famicom Phantasia > Destiny > PS1 Phantasia based on Destiny's engine.

>>716424743
GBA phantasia is based on the PS1 remake. Which itself was released after Destiny, Destiny was the second Tales game they made, they were still going through the feel of how Tales combat should be like.

Reminder Edna is legal enough to Vote, Sex, Drink, and Drive

Where the fuck is Odyssia?

>>716427701
With Tales girls romance.