Do you want to go back

to what? i don't see any video games here.

>>716354248 (OP)
Both are fine I'll just ignore the one I don't like

>>716354248 (OP)
the amount of onions emiting from the bottom picture is unbelievable.

It's happening

>Neverwinter Nights
Gone and forgotten

>The Mighty Nein
Getting an Amazon show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OCKYZjOcY

They won

>>716354248 (OP)
they just don't make wizards like they used to

>both pictures are of an adventurer party made up of Humanoids
>one just looks slightly gayer
Both are shit. I want my RPGs to have weird, unique companions, not fucking Elves, Humans and Tieflings. The fact that the Elves, Humans and Tieflings are a bunch of faggoty queens aren't even the most annoying thing about it.

/V/ is so feminist nowadays that they see the old one having a strong empowered female warrior and they no longer bat an eye

Now women warrior, women in every position of power, women killing men, 99% of the characters being women, etc is not an issue

Just blacks and gays are.
JUst a matter of time before /v/ keeps pushing left and you guys stop being racist and homophobic the same way you stopped being sexist.

how long can this fantasy last? i wish women were equal. but even the older picture is delusional.
you can excuse it by calling it a fantasy world all you want, but people think it's real.

>>716354459
>goblina voiced by a man
>sad sack deutschbag
>Sokka post sex change
>obligatory tiefling
>faggot low-t lizard orc
>obligatory tiefling 2: infernal boogaloo
This is going to be so shit, oh my god.

Reminder that top is for a book cover, and bottom is fanart of characters with actual players.

oof

>>716354757
>top are actual characters
>bottom is a bunch of voice actors probably on the spectrum trying to stand out the most with their OCs

>>716354902
>>top are actual characters
What characters are they? female warrior N°99?

>>716354887
>the writer's barely disguised fetish
Glad I never bothered watching this slop.

tfw no minotaur wife

>small and tactical party
>good class balance to deal with any situation
>decked in magical adventuring gear
>alert and ready for combat

>bloated party, terrible experience distribution
>multiclassing with useless fluff skill distribution
>cumbersome and gaudy clothes, probably has negative AC
>lax and oblivious, would be ambushed and wiped by level 1 goblins

STR-fags...

>>716354248 (OP)
Yes. I love classic fantasy and I am really upset that it got overtaken completely by progressive fantasy.

Here is the thing: I actually wouldn't care if individuals wanted to run their own campaigns with sparklefoxes, trasngendered characters, and pansexual gay polyamorous group sex. That is their own business. The problems are:
1. The main source of fantasy: D&D has completely shifted to a pro-progressive attitude and has sanded off every bit of edge and traditional/conservative (I don't mean D vs R, you retards) fantasy. It is now entirely just based around appeasing women and the tumblr/Critical Role crowd. This goes doubly for PF2e which is somehow even gayer.
2. Young men have basically completely abandoned reading fiction and fantasy. Young men used to make up the majority of readers of fantasy/fiction novels. Now young men are only like 15-25% of fiction readers. Almost all fiction is aimed at women. This is 100% true by the way, and tons of studies have tried to understand the "male reading crisis" because men have simply stopped reading books, and when they do read it is almost entirely non-fiction.
3. Games have done the same and still almost all care about just going with progressive fantasy. They understand the tropes and try to subvert all of them. Ironically, at this point an actual classic fantasy adventure would be subversive.

Overall, I am just sad. I think there is more than enough room in this genre to have things for everyone. People can have their progressive fantasy, but traditional fantasy is not even allowed. It has an audience. It would do well. It is just killed in the cradle by publishers, authors, and developers with an agenda.

>>716354613
>/V/
I don't know what hole you crawled out of, but go back there

>>716354340
This

BADASS

>>716354459
What in the everloving fuck is that? Are they actually making a show with that garbage or is it just some promo shot for a comic con?

the champion is the best class in the game!

>>716354540
Define "unique".

>>716354248 (OP)
We can't go back.
We went black.

>>716354504
>goblina
>voiced by a man
DROPPED

>>716354459
why is no one bald, fat or has vitiligo?

>>716354248 (OP)
the damage Critical Role has done to the fantasy RPG genre cannot be understated

>>716356164
The fuck is this trash? This is an actual show?

>>716354248 (OP)
Yes. Fantasy isn't supposed to mirror reality, or show reality on steroids. It's supposed to be fantasy. Everybody has to see themselves represented in everything now or they just can't enjoy it. A person in a wheelchair can't abide playing a character that can walk apparently, so Battle Wheelchairs are now a thing so that their fantasy character can resemble and reflect reality as closely as possible.

>>716354887
>>716355359
>>716355527
The thing about tabletop games is that they really only hold the most value to the people involved. While there are some moments worthy of telling others about (>>716355527 is genuinely cool), everything else is only funny or badass to the players because the players were directly involved. Because of the way it was structured, people watching Critical Role were positioned as a player, albeit one without any direct influence on the campaign, so the aforementioned cool/funny moments made more sense. But the buildup to these moments don't translate to animation effectively.

>>716356570
>Everybody has to see themselves represented in everything now or they just can't enjoy it.
This has always been the case to some degree though? Like think about it. There's a good fucking reason humans and elves are always the most popular player race.

>>716355671
Critical role? a very famous D&D show thats been going on for 10 years. How do you not know about it

>>716354613
Tourists not welcome. I got one word into your post before dismissing you.

>>716356148
>All the characters stand there just gawking
I fucking hate this, at least act like you are worried or prepared to act at a moment's notice

>>716356917
And do what? They are literally standing before a god's avatar that just chestbustered out of their strongest ally and only hope.

>>716354248 (OP)
>pic one: everyone looking at their advesary
>pic two: everyone looking to get an orgy going on

what the hell happened to dnd

>>716357074
Raise your shield, eye the exit, make a prayer to your god, take aim, fucking anything but just stand with you arms at your side

>>716354248 (OP)
How did damn near everything in life manage to get so gay and lame in the last 2 decades?

>>716357383
Test levels massively dropping

>>716357383
Every time you get told that it's because of the Jews you start screeching "nooooo that's not it you incel nazis there must be something else!" Whatever, just kill yourself.

>>716354887
>millennial humor

>play fantasy game
>there's a cute and funny character

>>716357661
I think even normalfags are waking up and starting to notice the fact that everything bad always seems to lead back to the same group of people.

>>716355752
>can turn into bears for bestiality purposes

I stopped watching Vox Machina after 5 minutes when they killed off a Fellowship of the Ring parody group implying their own tranny characters are way better and cooler.

>>716354248 (OP)
i'm not sure back is the way but i want a game that is a combination of demon's souls, dark souls, shadow tower and planescape torment
make it dark and dangerous, deep and mysterious (but leave the epic streamer bait boss fights at the door)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpjhbB-LzlY

>>716354248 (OP)
I certainly miss the artstyle.
Put whatever gremlins you want in that old style and it looks good.
Put the people up top in the bottom style and it will still look bad.
It would also help to have some dynamic poses besides just having everyone stand in a row like they're taking a group photo.

I like the character designs of the top and of the bottom.

>>716357368
They had just fled certain death to get into that room, if I remember correctly. And they're facing down a god. There's nothing to aim at or shield against. The second you see it happening, there's nothing you can do.

>>716354248 (OP)
Don’t matter. I’m not the target audience anymore. The main people, who buy this, don’t want to go back. They like gay homo bear sex like Baldurs Gate 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OCKYZjOcY

>>716358331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_56BYr7j6C4

>>716354248 (OP)
>All white
NOPE. I'd rather not go back to that slop.

>>716358759
>>716358160
Insane to me they went with a bear when that same guy, being a druid can turn into an owlbear, dilophosaurus and displacer beast.

>>716354459
>>716354504
>Spending that much money on a shitpost

>>716354459
>>716354248 (OP)

Very amusing that all the women are either self inserts or weird niche sexual fetishes while the men look like male models with horns.

>>716359535
very heteronormative
also no niggers or asians

>>716354248 (OP)
>>716354459
>Character with horns
What the fuck even are those things? Those shits are ugly

what do you mean? baldur's gate just got a new expansion bro

>>716355310
You miss the mark on old/new DnD. Conservative/Progressive is just a mark of changing times; the older group is always going to be Conservative, thats how that works. Back in the day, they were progressive for daring to challenge religion and mass media, for idolizing intelligence and creativity instead of authority and charisma.

The difference is old DnD is math geeks, and new DnD is theater kids. Two completely different nerdy demographics; and they're incredibly incompatible with each other. It's simulationism vs. narrativism, math vs acting. That's where the real old/new divide lies.

>>716359864
Tieflings.

>>716355286
GOOOOOOOOOOODS

>>716359394
This anon gets it. Turning into a bear for bestiality is, legitimately, safe horny. I want FANTASY in my fantasy.

>>716354340
This, keep doing nothing i'm sure it will work and your hobbie won't disappear/become irrecognizable

More than you ever will no games. We all should have gatekept harder and bullied the gay kids even worse.

>>716360470
Too late now. BG3 sold well and DnD is ran by homos. Almost all franchises are already tainted

>>716354248 (OP)
Go back to where? I never left. I have no idea what's that in the bottom

>>716359394
/thread
Pack it up boys.
Man, Displacer beasts are so cool.

>>716354504
>They won
Who's they?

>>716359864
Tieflings. And don't knock the horns, they are ideal handholds.

>>716354248 (OP)
you can just ai generate your own art now. stop reminiscing about the past, faggot.

>>716361284
goddamn i fucking love skeletons

>>716361319
this isn’t OP complaining about art, you retarded shitskin

>>716354459
>The monk literally just looks like genderbent Sokka if

>>716354613
>man kills giant 5x his mass
I sleep
>woman kills man 1.0005x his mass
WOKE HAS INVADED AND RUINED MY LIFE BROS

>>716354459
Where the fuck is the combat wheelchair?!?

>>716354248 (OP)
list of videogames with female orcs/half orcs
>pathfinder
>warcraft series
>baldur's gate 3
>the elder scrolls series
>sennen sensou aigis
>hedon
>raid shadow legends
>shadowrun
>two worlds 2
>project nortubel
>divinity original sin

trannies hate this

>>716354248 (OP)
The top one looks oldschool, has some notion of nostalgia to it.
The second one looks like OCs of a dnd group.
Idk about the big picture, but both exist today; it depends on the group of players, really.

>>716361739
This except unironically

>>716354248 (OP)
>See people play D&D online
>Trannies, wheelchairs, gays everywhere, weird races, dindu orcs, latino goblins...
>Play D&D with my friends irl
>5 guys in the party, all of them human characters
The real D&D parties are still like the old times, it's just that the internet put the spotlight on freaks, like the old freak shows circus.

>>716362034
You're lucky to have friends that are like that and want to play D&D. For people who are trying to make a new group at a hobby shop these days, it's not so great.

>>716354504
I was fine until the "b t dubs"...why...also she's indian?!?!?!

>>716362034
Speak for yourself. I am literally the only human in a cast of my closest friends. I am the only enjoyer of 'stranger in a strange land' type of stories. Fantasy should be based around normality exploring the fantastical.

>>716354504
They heckin won, i kneel
>>716356164
i mean isn't it normal, if the character was created by a guy? I played with guys that have female characters just fine...

>>716362123
To be fair we all are almost 40, but I've watched some kids in a lgs play and they were playing only humans and one elf.
>>716362161
What kind of people doesn't like the adventure of being a normal human in a hostile land full of monsters.

>>716361630
it's obviously just a way to whine about modern media while reminiscing about old media. we have these bait threads all the time.

>>716362145
>indian
anon what?

>>716359394
It's because you can make a bear do a funny face.

>>716362456
her voice, she's doing an indian accent :V

>>716354248 (OP)
Every day of my life since 2014

>>716362520
anon, you need to see a doctor about your hearing. she's doing an eastern euro accent.

>>716362520
It sounds more like she's trying to fake a gypsy voice

>>716356795
>How do you not know about it

Because we're not fags who are terminally online. Holy fuck kill your self skid out tranny

>>716354504
holy fuck i just checked their wiki, and holy shit the designs get worse with each new iteration...

>>716361284
didn't Konami release a game not that long ago that tried to have this same artstyle?

>>716362708
Just say you’re not a D&D fan, you shitskin retard. You’re in the wrong thread anyways

>>716354248 (OP)
Can the gentrification of Fantasy be blamed squarely on Critical Role or is there something deeper?

>>716354248 (OP)
>top
>everyone looks unoriginal but stands out
>bottom
>everyone looks original and nobody stands out
explain this

>>716362708
Always funny when normiggers come to 4Chan V and say shit like this

>>716362636
have you ever actually heard a gypsy talk?

>>716354248 (OP)
I love how this shitpost has been done so many times on /tg/ that it stopped working so you just started posting it on /v/ at basically the same rate.

>>716363341
It's the composition and silhouettes. Each character on the top has a distinct pose and color scheme.
On the bottom, each character is just standing there. 1, 6, and 7 all have somewhat similar silhouettes, for instance. 5 is only spared because the sword looks like a sword. The only character who actually has a distinct silhouette is the goblin, and that's just because of her ears.

>>716363341
simple: youre lying to confirm biases you already have. thats why you claimed a generic white man with long brown hair and a beard in archetypal clothing stands out on one side and a generic white man with long brown hair and a beard in archetypal clothing doesnt stand out in another.

>>716363341
Don’t let the retarded /pol/ tourists feed you bullshit. Top is called “pulp art”. Pulp art is purposefully meant to be captivating because this art style was used for covers in pulp magazines to attract customers. The bold colors and dramatic stances to stand out? Basic pulp art shit to grab consumer attention

>>716354248 (OP)
>Dragonlance
>Go back
Retard, Dragonlance literally invented the type of DMPC-focused railroad faggotry campaign style that lead directly to Critical Role.

>>716363579
I said "fake a gypsy voice," not actually deliver one. She didn't sound Eastern European to me, unless she was trying really hard to sound like a Balkanoid.

>>716363868
It is a comically stereotypical attempt at russian. I have never seen anyone ever confuse this for another accent before.

>Human
>Elf (half, dark, etc.)
>Dwarf
>Lizardman
based
>Tiefling
gay
>Orc
enemy
>Goblin
Retarded enemy

>>716363315
>>716362785
>>716361936
>>716354248 (OP)
The problem with modern Wizards of the Coast-esque "Fantasy" is it misses an incredibly important core feature of compelling fantasy: An actual real sense of Adventure. Which requires a strong sense of danger. And part trepidation, wonder, and mystery.

Picrel is a piece of old DnD art: "City of Sin". Notice how dangerous everything is? It's a nasty red light district, and it's filled with nasty and awful people. Yet this is a peak environment ripe for being the crossroads of the start of an adventure. A sense of realism, grime, trepidation, real danger. You notice in old DnD art too, the grimy meanness is not required. In the OP picture is a handpainted work with colors that really blend and a sense of action and trepidation behind everything, but also intrigue and wonder.

There's a bit of that in the new art, color, magic, wonder- but they miss the other most key ingredients to creating an air of true fantasy adventure. Digital art also being way too crisp and high resolution tends to make it feel far less old and mystical like old DnD art.

Nu-DnD is all soft and friendly. Probably drawn by a girl who likes cute things and abhors scary things. Consumer market approved. Hard edges sanded off. There is no danger and it's a soft friendly world for you and your normal middle class extremely casual friends to jump in and enjoy with no real sense of risk or scary things happening.

Sense of real adventure: Gone.

>>716363341
tranime fans everyone

>>716364094
look at how dnd massacred the dragon designs

>>716364003
>It is a comically stereotypical attempt at russian
Sounds nothing like an actual Russian accent, though

t. russkiy

>>716364295
Hence "comically stereotypical" and not "frighteningly accurate"

>>716354459
>>716354504
this indian retard needs to stop making shows

>>716364384
>this indian retard
who?

>>716361189
Just a reminder they're replacing that with this thing, which is so flat they couldn't cut the chain bra down enough for it to even fit her.

>>716364094
I agree with your post. I think the biggest thing that stands out about the OP image is that the top characters are clearly not taking their situation or world seriously. Now of course even the most hardened character will have moments of relaxation and levity, but it's more about tone and the way it's depicted than anything.

>>716361189

>>716365219
of course I meant the bottom characters aren't taking things seriously. The interrogation trailer that was posted has similar problems. Why should I take any of the action or melodrama seriously when the characters don't even care?

>>716354887

>>716365358
>why would I take dramatic moments seriously when the unserious moments aren't serious?
anon, I...

>>716362636
sounds like tali

>>716363709
Seething critical role fan
Nooooo, not your heckin' wholesome dungeons and/or dragons!!!!!

>>716365714
Oh, so you're the person who all that Marvel quip trash has been marketed to!

>>716365971
I dont have to enjoy it in order to see the stupidity of your statement.

>>716365893
I've never seen it. I'm not into DnD. I just saw someone overtly lying and pointed it out. One of the characters is "white man in fighter gear" and the other is an identical white man but in wizard gear and the poster claimed one stood out and the other didn't when they're the same person.

>>716365714
I know what you’re trying to say. That cutscene specifically wasn’t meant to be serious in the first place. But, the main point is nu-DnD has gone soft & friendly and that scene proves his point

>>716366178
>I'm not into DnD
Great. Ignore this low test beta male attention whore who’s just here to farm (You)s

>>716366272
>That cutscene specifically wasn’t meant to be serious in the first place.
Exactly.

>nu-DnD has gone soft
Like I said, DnD's not my thing. It doesn't really exist in my town, so I can only take your word for it. I don't think the character designs show a softening of things though. It's just a clash of artistic styles.

>>716366360
Are you implying DnD is for alpha males? kek

>>716354248 (OP)
>bottom has tiefling wife

Need

>>716366585
>he thinks it's a wife
lol
lmao

can someone tell me what the fuck that two-tone elf thing with the scimitar is? face pattern makes it look like homer simpson.

>>716366705
it literally is

>>716366762
half-orc

>>716364003
ok you were calling me retarded for the indian accent...dude...

what the fuck is wrong with zoomers jesus christ i hate you all get the fuck off my website with your fetish shit

>>716366878
yes, you are retarded for thinking it's an indian accent. the actress herself has stated it was an attempt at eastern euro.

>>716360209
>>716361103
I don't think the math nerds went away.
They just moved to video game development because it got them closer to their ideal. If They were doing simulations before, there is no better simulation tool than a computer. As for the aesthetic, especially the use of lighting to set the mood, there is one game that sticks out in my mind that shows off this look: Elden Ring.
I don't think classic DnD died, it' just influenced so much that it's cultural offspring lives on in the video game industry.

>>716366778
>Here's that young paladin I was telling you about

>>716354248 (OP)
i really just wont understand this this, who do they actually think they are pandering to? how many more people really joined because they made all the characters gay, black and trooned out? the demographic of people who actually like this shit are nerdy white males. people who arent even interested in DnD pushed for this shit at the top of corporate. does every hobby get destroyed this way?
>cool idea, solid original fanbase loves it and wants more
>company get bigger with their success
>people who dont really give a shit about the franchise/game come around because its "cool and trending and le nerdy"
>company is now big enough that they get bought out or corporate takes over and they only care about selling and bringing in more customers
> push a bunch of gay shit to meet esg scores
>company goes to shit and becomes morally, artistically and financially bankrupt
this is the cycle. I guess the original creators get bored and want to move onto something else and just sell off their shit in the end, hard to turn away millions when its something you dont care for anymore or are ready to move on

>>716366802
why does he have the ninja turtle pattern on his mouth

>>716367534
i dont know

>>716367702
brandish, right? this art owns.

>>716354248 (OP)
I never left
i just kept my stuff, and kept doing things the way i wanted to
i don't have to buy new things to be happy, do you?

>>716358160
>Druid animal sex
>Unique
Morrigan shagged wolves in that swamp long before halsin was written in his writer's fap fic.
>But druid degeneracyyyyy
Elanee is a groomer cradle thief, stop being born in the 2020s

>>716367960
yep

>>716359394
>Displacer beast porn
>Does its thing to make them look like theyre being gangbanged but its only 1cat
Too creative for porn

>>716354887
this is actually sorta funny

>>716366718

>>716354887
That's a male dragon btw

>>716368410
don't threaten me with a good time

>>716354248 (OP)
i was watching a warhammer fantasy lore video and they were talking about how rhya priests would be doing "gender affirming" surgeries

>>716368565
if they can do full transitions without butchering people (in DND) then i have no actual issue with it

>>716364245
All flowed directly downhill from Redditification of dragons as anything but apex predators and the embodiment of fight or flight.
Once they wrote in metallic dragons, that was it, the path was laid.

>>716368410
homosexuality?

>>716368681
i like the dragons from LOTR and the sweet treasure hoards

How many times has this been reposted? A /tg/ reject makes it, then when things don't go the way he wants them to he furiously dumps awful pulp art, like that was better times.

>>716368796
i like the pulp art it's a million times better than anime boner slop

>>716368664
The butchery is the point anon, they have to destroy the beautiful. These are the same faggots who created, in a universe with healing magic and magical prosthetics and levitation, the fucking combat wheelchair.

>>716368970
combat wheelchair is hilarious
i would use it constantly in game

>>716354887
I fucking hate millenial writing so much

>>716354248 (OP)
the bottom would look good drawn by the artist from the top

>>716368447
Of course it is. Could you see the Critical Role audience responding positively to an anal intrusion gag if it were a female dragon?

why does everything have to be so lame and gay
i miss the classic pulp artstyle so much

>>716354887

>>716354887
*b-burp* Morty u gtta shoot a magic missile up the dragons ass morty
it's his weak spot morty, shoot it right up his ass *burp*

>>716370172
>MORDY....MORDYYYYYY YOU GOTTA SHOOT THE MAGIC UP HIS ARSE MORDY YOU GOTTA DO IT NOW MORDY NOOOOOW

>>716354887
>shittier thousand years of death

>>716361408
basically interracial

>>716354504
Everything about this is fucking terrible. No cohesion to anything except being gay and retarded.

>>716354504
>talking about good cop/bad cop in medieval fantasy setting

>>716357264
It suffered from an invasion of theatre kids who didn't want their comfort character OCs to be exposed to any upsetting subject matters, conflict, or mortal peril.

don't care
i just watch Frieren on repeat

>>716361284
Playing Nioh and Onimusha introduced me to a lot of Japanese myths and monsters, and it's interesting how a lot tend to be a corrupt human soul of some sort. Souls of drowned women who come back to drown others, others filled with envy, hatred, raged, greed....and then you get the eyeball in the asshole guy.

>>716356583
>they really only hold the most value to the people involved
Fucking this. I'll never understand people who unironically watch/listen to TRPG podcasts.
Get some real friends, for fucks sakes.

>>716354887
This is more sexy than funny.

>>716354504
Why does the goblin have such a gratingly awful, put-on, voice and why is he acting like a stereotype that's supposed to be dated and problematic?

>>716354248 (OP)
>implying I ever went to the lower
You know you do not HAVE to buy everything some green haired lefty trooner shits out just because it has an official label?

>>716360470
EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE AND I MUST ACT UPON IT OR ELSE MY NOSTALGIA WILL VANISH

>>716354756
I have tiefling fatigue

>>716374350
For me, it's all the red boxes

>>716354540
You forgot fake and YASSS Coded too...

>>716354534
And mind you this was the norm, from the 70's when the characters were created until the 2010's.

There is no reason to fix that wasn't broke...

>>716354459
I dont get how faggots not only want to latch onto fantasy but turn it into this Netflix, pseudo anime style.

>>716354756
What they did to tieflings from 4ed to now is absolutemente asqueroso....

T- 3rd ed enjoyer with 3 tiefling characters that are not dead and could of been used in new gamez.....

>>716374350
Second row is my wife

>>716354459
Quirk Chungus and Her Agayzing Friends

>>716374350
TBF my teifling x halfgiant worked at the family bakery in 06 and this was before baking became gay like nao.

This was when yaketate japan was around and also cake boss.

Yeah what they to mah boi???

>>716372365
>black holes and holographic hexagon shields
>fantasy

>>716372365
I hate how low effort and bored everyone looks while zipping around doing DBZ shit, tone it the fuck down and add some feeling to it

>>716376973
I guess it’s less the concept but more the execution. The people that do this shit now constantly need to do their “wholesome chungus” shit or their party’s found family dynamics.

>>716376973
>my teifling x halfgiant worked at the family bakery
You're a faggot.

>>716354248 (OP)
best of both world ngl

>>716354248 (OP)
Nah, I like both :3

>>716376973
a character that would 100% be more interesting if it were made by the type of chad that would just make their baker adventurer a human (because they have an actual imagination beyond crayon colours and gay sparkles being "cool" DOOOD THEY'RE HALF X AND HALF Y AND - GAY)

>>716357732
>>716369178
denounce the talmud

i fucking hate americans

>>716365358
>the white men are on the front lines fighting the monsters
>giga brain nigger wizard is in the back with two white women not helping
pozzed

>>716354248 (OP)
So, so badly. I only really play retro games and its kinda painful at times to be reminded of the normality we used to live in and at the same time seeing all the passion and creativity put into older games that you just don't see anymore. Everything is so painfully gay now.

>>716354459
Wait the bottom image wasn't satire?

>>716373814
>EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE

Given human nature, that's probably more true than anyone wants to admit.

Movies and TV keep portraying D&D as this whole big storyline and roleplaying hobby for creative minds but every single actual D&D story I've heard from people in real life who actually play it and now these livestream sessions are just constant tongue in cheek, half (or not at all) serious real life shit posting full of memes and quirk Chungus characters.

>>716378714
This party works because you only have one party member who is the weird one. If everyone is the weird one then you have a problem.

>>716379547
Its cringe. I got a group of friends that play and the moment you get somebody who tries to play their female lesbian character with a straight face its legit painful. The best times are either everyone taking it as a joke, or everyone playing serious and a dungeon crawling focus. The moment somebody takes the RP aspect too seriously or tries to romance though, man are you in for a bad time.

>>716354248 (OP)
Yes please, take me back when video games where all about escapism and cool shit instead of political bullshit.

>>716379709
*puts metal gear solid in my PS1*

>>716354887
throw millennials into active volcanoes

>>716379857
I'm just glad zoomers realize how fucked up we are and want to do the opposite. Ive got a little hope in their generation

>>716379709
We're slowly returning to that brother. The corpo suits are finally realizing that there is no profit in wokeshit. It's just a few stubborn wokeoid devs and HR karens that would rather sink with the ship than drop the ideological rot that is poisoning the games they work on.

>>716354504
>thief escape
>one guy can't speak common
>a fucking goblin
Shoot all of them.

>>716379940
I don't think a complete return is possible. Its why now you either have hyper ugly or hyper coom. You just dont have normal games anymore and when theres an attempt there are so many cultists and ethics departments that they sabotage it. Hell, even the gacha coom games still have voice actors doing their best to work their brain rot into characters that have nothing to do with it. Its gonna take a legit clean slate at this point.

There's many factors at play, but to mention two key ones, part of the blame can be laid at the feet of bad fictional influences and fantasy becoming increasingly incestual.

If you read AD&D Appendix N, it's clear that the game was born as a pulp fantasy simulator, taking inspiration mostly from writers of heroic fantasy and adventure sci-fi. In its purest essence D&D is Conan, Poul Anderson, Vance, and those types of serialized, muscular adventures of mighty men braving exotic lands for coin, glory and power, rescuing bad-tempered princesses on the way and leading armies of companions to battle against inhuman or decadent foes.

Modern fantasy is simply not about that type of adventure anymore and quite frankly, it has become too femenine to even try. D&D, a reflection of the tastes of its creators and players, can't help but follow and lose its edge in favor of interpersonal drama and sensible pretty boys without an ounce of ambition on their bodies. That classes lost their ability to gather followers and lead armies should be proof of this.

>>716355310
>This is 100% true by the way, and tons of studies have tried to understand the "male reading crisis" because men have simply stopped reading books, and when they do read it is almost entirely non-fiction
Because 'they' pushed for female writers so fucking hard.

>>716380157
You can still just grab an old dungeon crawl and play it with friends.

>>716380128
Nothing lasts forever, anon. Even this will pass with time. Either the industry buckles under its own weight after relying too heavily on short term gains through micro-transactions and massive Hollywood style budgets, or entirely new companies fill the gaps the old guard used to fill. People need to remember that every golden age and depression eventually ended, so this is just a very painful hiccup on the long road of history.

>>716354248 (OP)
To people posting about videogames on /v/? I wish.

>>716380128
There's something weird and disturbing about gacha, really... It's hard to put into words, but the sexuality present in them feels twisted, inhuman, disconnected from reality to a level that your cheesecake ttrpg art or pulp cover doesn't ever reach, and I really don't know why.

Guess the best way to put it is that there's a difference between coomshit and sensuality.

>>716359864
"Thiefling" (yes really), DnDogshit's resident freakshit Draenei ripoffs

don't care anymore. I don't like fantasy much any longer.

>>716380220
That's what I already do, and it's quite fun.

Tho I don't think old-school play is limited to dungeon crawls: That's just the start. A real old-timey campaign is an adventure-sandbox that evetually grows into a full wargame as the players reach name-level and conquer territories, just like Arneson intended.

>>716380265
We'll have to see. These people are cancerous to the core and have infiltrated every aspect of gaming. I do have hope in what the future holds with indie and eventually ai is going to completely change the landscape and take their power, so that's going to be wild. Still, these people have a cult like mentality and will do their best to cling on as long as possible.

fun tidbit for anyone with the time and interest, listen to the last Jonestown tapes and pay attention to the talking points Jones used to get his cult to kill themselves. Its scary when you realize they have been adopted by an entire movement.

>>716380363
They are just there to prey on mens lusts/lonliness. Same with vtubers. Its why it feels so cheap and hollow. Thats why I brought up the two extremes. In older games you may have had some fanservice, but it wasn't the point of the character or the games. Now games are either made as weird ideological totems or manipulative idols of lust. There isnt any real pure creativity or passion anymore.

>>716380706
Everything makes more sense once you realized everyone is significantly more atomized and isolated than they were even as little as 10 years ago.
Everything follows from that fact.

>>716380157
>it has become too femenine to even try.

You should see what PbtA games have become. Most are legit "trauma dump" sessions dressed up like role-playing with very, very light rules.

>>716372365
You weebs really don't get it, do you?

Just because a cartoon doesn't follow the screeching demands of California it doesn't mean that it is a representative of classic, real fantasy, or even comparable to western fantasy. I have never seen in my life an anime other than Lodoss that even understands what western fantasy is about, and I really doubt fotm "muh owo elf girl" is any different.

>>716380363
>There's something weird and disturbing about gacha, really
It's the use of neotenous features in tandem with overtly sexualized physiques/attire/poses all the while pretending as if its innocent. It spits in the face of true innocence and trivializes sexuality. Gacha and the anime art style in general is one of the most effective grooming tools out there.

Fantasy is tainted by reality.

>>716354248 (OP)
why do they all have the dyke cuts

>>716380806
I don't find it surprising: "Rules light" games and communities are like catnip for self-obsessed arthoes who use "game-design" as a vehicle of self-expression. The stuff they produce tend to be useless vibe exercises made to be read and basedface over the layout and the art, rather than played.

Theater kids were a mistake.

>>716379265
How come you retards cant tell races apart? You really think that elf bard is white?

>>716381153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55PaAYM8nBc&pp=ygUVZ2lybCBieSBtb29ubGlnaHQgcnBn

Skip around a bit and see what most modern TRPG's have become and their audience.

remember not to bully too much. I think cringe examples should be preserved for all to see.

>>716380996
Yeah, the babyfaces, you are right. Tho that seems to be a trend of asian cultures in general: Their beauty models all seem to have babyfaces.

>>716368410
Saisph?

>>716379812
>le leftoid reddit argument

>>716380810
Lodoss like anything isn't perfect but it has actual -not 'meme'- soul, heart, love, fun, it's essence is the same as that of sword and sorcery which is the heart of fantasy itself and the heart of man's adventurous spirit, desire and basic instincts. Frieren has none of that and is just a cheap low quality trashbag attempt at an imitation of even a grain of that.

>>716354459
looks like gay porn

>>716354248 (OP)
I just dislike digital. Even with good pieces everything is so flat and looks like elements were copy-pasted from elsewhere.

>>716354248 (OP)
I have to commend the CR people, they have absolutely mastered the art of getting their audience to form parasocial relationships with their characters and are milking it for all it's worth

>>716355734
i want to obliterate the state of california

>>716354887
>the dragon's anus is better drawn and rendered than anything else in the scene
okay?

>>716380810
It's more because anime never really had the "classical fantasy" phase, so much so that few works that did it like >>716381492 stand out for that fact. Their fantasy binges more on Dragon Quest and magical girls.

>>716354248 (OP)
Top with the politics/story telling of bottom would be amazing

>>716372804
>THE VILE POOPOO MUNCHER

>>716381492
apple and oranges, Lodoss is your usual DnD fantasy story now with nostalgia goggles, Frieren is just fantasy SoL with occasional sprinkle of magic DBZ

>>716381492
Your average japanese creator is simply too separated from the origins of western fantasy to actually understand its spirit and imitate it correctly. Their only reference are videogames, which leads to the artificial, "modern", soulless feel.

That's why every single nip product that gets it comes from a massive westaboo, no matter the medium.

Fantasy is fucking terrible. Who cares?

>>716381758
You mean you don't like it when characters yell STATUS and see their character stats? Dude.

Explain to me whats wrong with them without sounding like a seething chud. Be detailed in your critique.

>>716367995
It gets hilarious when people bring up Viconia as a good romance.

>Had three husbands. Murdered all of them, two of them out of boredom.
>Prostituted herself to a literal fat merchant.
>Had countless lovers.
>Openly lusts after Sarevok in ToB, even if you romance and redeem her.

If that romance was made in a present-day game, you'd have hundreds of threads every month screaming KEKOLDRY at the top of their lungs.

>>716381854
It was a different time and I assume the boomers felt quite excited of finally getting to "tame" the bad girl, rather than defaulting for the good girl options.

>>716381838
they're all fags
>y..you're a chud
and you're a faggot, next point?

>>716381838
Made by faggots, for faggots.
I owe you no more explanation, kill yourself

Another fun little tidbit because the conversation is moving to Japan's understanding of DnD

DnD is actually still not popular over there at all... what is? Call of Cthulhu. It is their absolute favorite TRPG and they have entire high budget streams dedicated to it and looking like a weird live VN. Some of them even created animated films based on their sessions.

Sad that it too has recently been subverted pretty badly.

>>716381838
>everyone has to have different skin color because... look they just do!

>>716381838
I know you're shitposting and 100% hate the shit that you post. Even though there's things I can point out and point out in detail, I don't need nor care to explain further than it is fucking ugly and gross as shit and it offends my instincts which are better and more right than anyone else that disagrees and their opinion is worthless.

t. chud

>>716381758
>>716381791
Tell me your a zoomer without saying you're a zoomer.

Its out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7OCKYZjOcY&ab_channel=PrimeVideo

>>716382059
I dont even care enough to give it a rage view. I hope it fails.

>>716382025
If you have an objection it would be nice to hear it, rather than yet again another meaningless buzzword without substance.

>>716382120
>I hope it fails.
It will be a giant success and there is nothing you can do about it

>>716381838
Collection of unique snowflakes. Which I guess is very telltale for modern roleplaying. I'm not saying everyone has to be a sword and board warrior, but your race/class choice don't make you interesting by default. On a personal side I dislike how all these party group commissions are never a proper SCENE. It's just character standing there and posing for the camera.

Even in old fantasy you'll still "notice" what you never did before. It's all absolute slop. You should find a better thing to do with your time.

rate them

>>716382192
>giant success

Lol, lmao even

>>716382192
yeah concord did really well! i love xis character design sister!

>>716381838
It feels uninspired and modern. It has no real edge, no otherworldiness, no real adventure or excitement or that quality that makes heroic fantasy stand out: larger than life heroes carving paths in worlds ancient and hostile, where danger, glory and fortune awaits in each corner. It feels mundane, safe, cynical, not eartnest like true fantasy ought to be.

>>716382192
why is Sokka wearing makeup and a bra?

>>716381974
>DnD is actually still not popular over there at all
the DnD itself may not be popular there but pretty much all of the Japan's fantasy and isekai tropes and cliches mainly comes from Wizardry, which was inspired by DnD, the whole archetype of brown anime girl with white hair mainly comes from drows for example

>>716354248 (OP)
Why do the characters on the bottom all look like they've just been accused of stealing thing on right's sandwich?

>>716354459
Isn't that Sokka in the back? What happened?

>>716381838
>whats wrong?!
pictures worth a thousand words

>>716382217
>You should find a better thing to do with your time.
like what?
slaving and dying for israel?

>>716382192
Yeah, smug looking brown man-woman they/them looking ass casts have a long track record of smashing success in every genre and medium.

>>716382287
sex with the goblin
sex with the horned girl

>>716382217
What things did you noticed in Howard or Anderson's books, anon?

>>716363013
I know what you're talking about, but that was anime shit like always.

>>716382347
Oh yeah, I was speaking strictly on their TRPG taste

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUipMOjT838&pp=ygUVY29jIHRycGcg44Oq44OX44Os44Kk

They've developed an entire niche subculture around CoC thats kind of a fun rabbit hole to go down.

>>716382192
you call that a buff woman?

>>716382347
And that disconnection is why most japs can't actually write straight western fantasy without adding vidya-adjacent tropes. They all relate western literary tropes to videogames.

No, I want it to burn.
I cannot stand the way they fucking talk

>>716354613
I don't know how but somehow cat posters are more retarded than frogposters. Congrats.

>>716354540
BG3 cast is so fucking lame.
I got deeper into the game and all their personalities amount to wet cardboard. Only Astarian is ok cuz his gay mannarisms are funny.

>>716354504
quirk chungus fantasy!

>>716382489
I want it to fall out of popularity so that their playstyle stops being the default for the newcomers in the hobby. Intentionally or not, they popularized a few bad practices that makes the game more painful to play than what already is.

>cool characters doing cool poses that show off their skills and personality
Vs
>just a bunch of people standing single file doing literally nothing
Wtf happened

>>716382486
maybe but I will take Japan's vidya like fantasy over modern western fantasy anytime

>>716382291
>largest and most profitable channel on Twitch
>biggest actual play on Youtube
>gave birth to an entire publishing house
>own comic book line
>own novel line
>own pen and paper systems
>toys and figurines
>3 seasons of animated TV show, 4th one on the way
>freshly announced video game
You have no idea, grandpa

>>716381559
pretty sure that the pic you posted is a digital painting too

>>716354248 (OP)
both are lame

>>716354248 (OP)
I honestly cant wait for a genuinely great piece of fantasy media to come along as a response to this garbage, and for it to utterly shine.

How did liberals/trannies take over nerd culture?

>>716381492
I would also add criminally overlooked The Weathering Continent. Shame it's just an OVA.

>>716382668
NTA but I have totally overlooked how much they exploded quickly.

>>716354248 (OP)
Top image player line-up
>The autist who is a bit of a munchkin but generally understands roleplaying.
>The group's typical Drizzt fanboy with a ponytail, more physically fit than the rest thanks to passion for boffer larping.
>Guy who plays a straightforward character until the group visits a tavern, then he gets her drunk and roleplays kinky shit.
>The boring slightly autistic dude that nobody minds but who everyone usually forgets that he exists.

Bottom pic player lineup.
>Californian feminist ally, regularly debates age of consent in Furaffinity forums.
>The fat and shy yaoi drawing girl who opens up more during the play session. Has terrible jokes but everyone finds her endearing, if bit awkward.
>The weasel, quiet guy who has played the game the most and just tries to fit in, secretly loathes most of the group but is desperate for pussy.
>The fat girl who is loud, annoying, unfunny, draws yaoi fanfiction and is hated by everyone but nobody dares to say anything because she gets easily offended.
>The token asian/black dude who doesn't play much tabletops. Straightforward dude.
>The two creepy trannies constantly sex roleplaying with each other. DM hates them, others ignore them. Will eventually have a love triangle drama with the furry hipster guy.

Everytime I feel like joining some group its the group B that reminds me why I stopped playing in the first place.

>>716382713
(you) let them

>>716379665
and if everyone's weird

no one is

>>716382713
based on your pic it was probably because the female and brown person nagged the bottom left guy to let her in
none of them should have ever been invited

>>716382713
no one put a fight. also, tabletop specifically runs very much on table-by-table basis so everything that happens may have zero impact on your experience. it's no coincidence osr happened some 20 years ago, though.

>>716382612
Just read old western fantasy then, instead of their decadent descendants or the bad, decadent copycats. Go back to the source.

Go read the Conan stories, or even the comic adaptations: Marvel's old Heart of the Dragon isn't bad at all, nor are the Black Horse's versions. You could also pick up Poul Anderson's Three Hearts Three Lions, or even Vance's Dying Earth, as both are fairly short novels.

For more complex stuff, Gene Wolfe's Wizard-Knight is essentially an old-school D&D campaign following the journey of a paladin, and it's really fucking good. Book of the New Sun? Even better.

There's treasures out there anon. You don't need to conform yourself with these soulless times.

>>716373768
Probably the greatest piece of D&D art ever made.
Its such a perfect encapsulation.

>>716354248 (OP)
Even ignoring the gayness the second image is so bad. Zero atmosphere or drama

>>716382770
Love em or hate them, but you cant deny they manage to fill entire stadiums with their live shows. Its just a bunch of voice actors playing DnD and still they pull it off. And they have like 4 or 5 stadium tours next year alone

>>716354248 (OP)
There's a middle ground between everyone playing a LotR OC and everyone playing a wannabe MCU character. Monster and non standard PCs and NPCs are a good thing especially if your DM knows what hes doing.

>>716366705
femboy concubine?

>>716382891
As somebody who was bullied, we should bring it back

>>716382891
>all white people
Do blacks dont like DnD? This is bloody London. Shouldnt this be like 70% brown at least?

>>716382891
Thats a very white crowd, yikes.

>>716382891
>they manage to fill entire stadiums with their live shows. Its just a bunch of voice actors playing DnD
I don't know this group at all, are all the people in your pic just there to watch them play DnD live for some godforsaken reason?

>>716382891
The situation is hopeless them: D&D will be dominated by the fandom of people that largely doesn't even know how to play D&D.

Is this a lesson on the importance of not trying to make your hobbies popular?

>>716382192
>>716354504
maybe if so cheap to make profit

>>716379665
Its not just everyone being weird its everyone being the SAME KIND of weird that fucks everything up.

>>716381492
io sono prigioniero

speaking of old dungeons and dragons. humble bundle has a big collection of games going right now. super cheap

https://www.humblebundle.com/games/dungeons-dragons-classics-collection

>>716366718
My dad did a sick painting of this image in the 80s I'm not home rn but I'll post it if the threads still up

It's not just woke shit. It's the pathetic levels of pandering. I'm outnumbered by retards. I've given up and moved onto greener pastures. I suggest you do the same.

>>716383047
>are all the people in your pic just there to watch them play DnD live for some godforsaken reason?
Yes.

>>716357368
>yeah man just try to raise a shield against god that thin panel of wood and iron will protect you

>>716383056
Thats a lesson I learned after Zombies and Comics. I legit keep my more obscure hobbies to myself now or only tell my immediate friend group/family.

>>716382713
>we have been playing it this way for years
>same guy sounds boring
the author of this panel is a moron tough

>>716382891
if they're all white why do the characters need to be niggers

>>716379087
I debounce the talmud and the millenials who spent 20 years fighting and dying in the middle east for israel.

>>716382843
but I already read most of the stuff, it sounds that you succumbed to the usual, old good new bad

>>716383180
white liberals do like it that way

>>716382843
Problem is reading old stuff doesn't do anything for genre's future.

>>716383180
Goodboy points on social media. Just pray your purple haired liberal gf never plays a lesbian character.

>>716383126
I don't understand it at all but good for them, must be a sweet gig

>>716383072
Damn I remember it even now from those few words alone

>>716382668
The disgust I feel for the "people" who made this happen in unreal.

>>716383164
>needs a 500 page manual to understand RNG
is he retarded?

It's amazing how much D&D degraded over the decades: This hyper pussified crap is the furthest thing away from what Gygax and Arneson thought a campaign was about.

A real D&D game is an adventure: You have a map, you have dungeons and you have settlements with factions. Over time as your characters plunder the depths they'll get wealthy, more powerful, and some might even work for the local powers and eventual make friends and enemies. After a while castles will be built or conquered, troops hired, dragons tamed, and armies will finally march under the banners of the new conquerors.

Except that now it's all californian shit.

>>716383432
Consoomers gonna consoom. Its like Mark Hamil said before he was body swapped by the mouse: "just because something is popular doesn't necessarily make it good."

>>716382668
>>716383432
It's all the people who are vicariously roleplaying through them. They won't ever roleplay themselves, but they will buy all the shit to support their characters.

>>716383480
The two times I had the absolute most fun with DnD both involved minimal role-playing and heavy dungeon crawling. It actually felt like a tense game where the story and RP happened naturally

>>716383230
Nah I cut my teeth with Sanderson and gradually moved back. In reality I only got into old fantasy recently, and I legit enjoy it far more.

Still, pretty based on your part if you read it all.

>>716382358
lmao what the fuck is that on the right? that's a hearthstone card or something, right?

>>716383480
You are impotently seething like my dad who got lefty behind by the times and stubbornly refuses to learn what the Internet is.

>>716383480
you're also the rise of "chill fantasy". it was about anime, but this man was right: westerners have busy stressful lives so they want easy going relaxing shows, while he live sin bumfuck nowhere greece and tomatoes so he wants action shows to break up the monotony.

>>716383542
The biggest trick ever pulled on people was making them believe STORY is integral to RPGs.

>>716383580
It's fanart that people here pass off as official art. Not that the real thing is much better.

>>716383497
That... would actually make a lot of sense. The only thing is I have two friends that regularly play DnD who still watch this stuff.

>>716383480
>A real D&D game is an adventure: You have a map, you have dungeons
Funny how video games are now doing it better than DnD is. Souls-franchise success show that people still very much enjoy dungeon crawling.

>>716383671
it is. Most people dont give a fuck about number crunching and builds

>>716383542
Because the theater kids are wrong: Story isn't the reason you play D&D, but a mere byproduct of play. The reason you play is adventure, and adventure needs mechanics to be fair and sustainable.

D&D is not about "collaborative storytelling". D&D is about adventure through mechanics, actually exploring a dangerous land of fantasy.

>>716382843
>Go read the Conan stories
A lot of the old pulp fantasy stories do the same things its just framed differently. Convenient cure alls, magic being tied to stamina/soul/mana, bureaucratic systems and ordering, godly interference/influence, magic items, an emphasis on a characters "class"/profession/place in society are all staples of the genre.

>>716383614
>You are impotently seething
Pathfinder is a much more popular rpg these days than DnD.

>>716383164
it's even more hilarious when you see it for what it is
>oh i don't want X to be like that
>oh you do? that's bad! you need to change it
vs
>X is like that now
>oh you don't like it? well fuck off
the fucking irony

>>716383614
Do you believe anything I described is inferior to what CR and moderna D&D promotes? If so, please, make your case

>>716383619
>westerners have busy stressful lives
the busy stressful lives of answering 3 emails per week while making 150k

>>716383164
he's not wrong
translating tabletop mechanics into a video game can be done better

>>716383671
But it is. If you want a dungeon crawl only game, video games literally are much better for it. Actual branching and fluidity/improvisation with a real gm that lets you truly create your own characters and story is something video games probably will never be able to fully emulate.

>>716383727
I've been running an adaptation of a popular dungeon crawl for a couple of months now and something I keep failing to understand is why my players are so frequently failing to prioritize their own safety.

It makes sense now. They're just excited to see what's round the next corner.

>>716383681
that IS hearthstone though, right? i always considered hs to be a gag game, really

Playing DnD with women is the most insufferable shit ever, get women out of male safe spaces.

>>716383671
I don't mind a bit of story, but proper dungeon crawling is infinitely more entertaining and engaging. Like I said, in both instances the Story just played out naturally.
>>716383727
Its hard because people want different things from TRPGs so you need to set expectations for what it is early. Some people are perfectly happy being theater kids playing "games" that are lightly held together by a flimsy rule book. On the other side of that, there are people that play DnD like GTA and just view it strictly as mechanics (ie: the worst kind of thief/murder hobo). I personally find the best leans harder on the mechanics but you have to interact in character. I want more dungeons than taverns.

>>716383542
>>716383671
>>716383721
>>716383727
There are fuckton of systems and games out there for every imaginable variety of player. Problem is everyone's trying to use D&D to run games it's utterly unsuited for simply because the damn thing is popular. Don't like dice? No worries, there are games without dice.

>>716383836
You are putting the cart in front of the horse here: Story is not the objective of play, but rather the memory of it once the game is over. The worst thing a campaign can suffer is players treating the world like a story and expecting "narrative-appropiate" events to unfold, rather than actually engaging with the campaign as a real, dangerous place of adventure and opportunity.

And no one said that it's all about dungeon crawling: In a real campaign that might be important, but far from the whole package. In this regard you should try reading the Blackmoor writeups, to see how varied a campaign is meant to be.

>>716383994
Depends. The shy fat girls are usually fine. Although their jokes are terrible they're otherwise not that annoying and actually pay attention to the rules. Worst ones are the loud women who turn the session into their personal performance.

>>716375124
>2020 King 3D
Wait for real? Sounds like cringekino desu

>>716384028
Oh, you're preaching to the choir with me. I've been trying to get my friend group away from DnD since before the whole OGL drama. The hard part is getting a group with kids to take the time to learn a new rpg system when they just default to the comfortable one.

is /v/ ready for the party of campaign 3?

>>716361103
that Nazgul looks super stupid. You want something cool, go look up John Howe's illustrations.

>>716384184
Why not just play Pathfinder? Its basically a "hardcore DnD" that goes back to the dungeon crawling basics.

>>716384184
>The hard part is getting a group with kids to take the time to learn a new rpg system when they just default to the comfortable one.
I always find this funny. Bitches, you never learned D&D to begin with and still pester your DM with inane bullshit you should know 10+ sessions it. People just don't want to break their comfort zone or inexperience makes them think "we're paying a new game" is a way bigger deal than it really is.

>>716384202
is it the same faggot that always makes the short sex pest characters?

>>716383164
>you can't see the dice
Does BG3 doesn't have combat log?

>Watching people play video games
:O

>Watching people play tabletop
:|

>>716363341
Given current year, top looks original to me.
Bottom looks extremely unappealing.
Everyone stands out in both.
I know everyone is interchangeable, meaningless and devoid of a living, breathing soul in both.

https://harbingergames.blogspot.com/

This blog right here belongs to Rick Stump, and old ass that has been GMing a single D&D campaign for over 45 years now. Besides inmense autism, IMO his stuff is the best example we have of how the game was meant to be played.

>>716383721
>Most people dont give a fuck about number crunching and builds
He didn't say anything that even remotely implies you need number crunching and builds you insufferable faggot.
>um but dungeon crawling means-
Just get the fuck out of my hobby.

can i have this instead please?

>>716354504
>anime west :|
>anime japan :O
I guarantee a lot of your discord friends will be watching this

>>716356164
S/he is actually a halfling that was cursed into being a goblin, the design of said hafling is so fucking ugly fans actually prefered the horny goblin

>>716384481
trannies won't allow sexy women

>>716384275
Right now its a toss up between Sword World and Mouse Guard. Gonna try Mouse Guard though as I think itd be different enough that they wouldn't just want to go back to DnD and I've heard super good things about it. Plus, playing a TRPG as little woodland critters should be a fun change of setting.
>>716384290
For what its worth, I didn't appreciate it for the longest time until it all suddenly clicked with me. Problem is, it clicked once the larger part of our friend group were getting out of it.

>>716382059
"""Voice Actors"""

Whoever did the goblins should feel genuinely bad.

>>716382196
Your pic is way better because it actually has composition, the characters are visually consistant and they are actually interacting.
The lizard in the driving force and is grabbing everyone together. The characters are unified in red so there is something in common between all if them, the one that isnt red is ash colored, so they the different yet still connected to the idea of flame. And all the character are expressing a different emotion, like they are actual people instead of all of them posing in some asinine happy-go-lucky shit.

>>716382192
>when the water tribe opens its borders to Jewish immigrants

>>716383480
I feel like there was a change in/after 3,5, there was always one more or less obnoxious person in all parties, but it usualy revoleved around him beinf metafag or just being all about himself.
Then there was an influx of people that were unhidged newbies that wanted to powertrip with their characters. At first most gms and players were tolarating this shit, but I feel that with passage of time, that newbies became their own seperate group. They didnt have anyone to call them out on their behaviour and they wanted to one up eachother with their ludacris shit. After some time and some of them becoming wotc workers, they became the prime dnd target/crowd.
Now everything needs to be censored, so it wont teigger imaginary ptsd of said snowflake players, all of them needs to be in spotlight, all of them need to be unique, to the point that party resembles special needs kids bus tour.
I didnt play nor DM for the last 3-4 years, i was offered to play with new group of some fellow friends (also, they all were cd project red devs btw) but after Ive heard that they all are obsesed with critical roll, to the point of watching it togheter and discussing it when playing, I just said fuck, no.
I dont know how cucked and gaslighted you need to be to still play dnd with this kind of audience, its masochism, but not of the good kind.

>>716354504
>>Neverwinter Nights
Neverwinter Nights is fondly remembered for all it's fan content and mods, not anything in the game itself.
Hordes of the Underdark, maybe, if just for Deekin.

>>716384569
At least they didn't get Tessa's tits?

>>716354540
You find thise cast interesting..?

>>716384871
>those spelling errors

Fellow 3 a.m. drunk poster

>>716354540
>Devs let their animators make the only two semi-screwable females gay with eachother

They literally can't help themselves

>>716384569
>>716384946
Yeah that's weird. It's definitely not SNK asking for them to be covered up so it looks like Capcom being spiteful

>>716385182
It's only censored in America. Obviously some tranny didn't like see women's body parts.

>>716385182
>It's definitely not SNK asking for them to be covered up so it looks like Capcom being spiteful
Strange given that Capcom seems to love Mai more than SNK does given her portrayal in SF6 vs CotW.

>>716383486
or like my grandpa used to say "everything is amazing to an idiot"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LANHWwEjOAU
why can't we have this? just listening to it brings a tear to my eye

>>716387857
young people arent interested in the old stuff their dad is into. Thats like the pinnacle of uncool.

>>716387941
yeah but who cares what fucking tasteless zoomer cauliflowerheads want

>>716355527
Why is this so over the top gorey

>>716387993
the companies wanting to sell shit to the younger audience. Are you stupid?

>>716387857
Contemporary audiences most likely can't handle sword and sorcery.

>>716384569
>The only one to keep her cleavage is the one too small to notice already

but why though? Why do trannies hate women so much, aren't they trying to imitate them?

>>716388159
no, i just don't fucking care about zoomers, there's milions of 40+ people interested in aesthetics like boris vallejo etc, saying "yeah but demographic X isn't interested" is dumb as fuck, that's like saying comapnies shouldn't build musclecars cause women aren't interested in them, who fucking cares

>>716388110
its the mix of humor, fun, blood & violence and sex/ nudity thats the appeal of it all, anon

>>716355310
Interesting, the reason I stopped reading fiction is because I couldn't find anything aimed at adults. Every book I picked up ended up being Harry Potter teir.

>>716364094
>soft and friendly
Summarizes many games, especially WoW.

>>716388228
It's not exactly a flattering imitation lets put it that way.

>>716388256
Comments like this are you why you will always be impotently shitposting in the dark, at home on an hourly basis and others are marketing things to the demographics they want.

>>716388256
>no, i just don't fucking care about zoomers
You problem
>there's milions of 40+ people interested in aesthetics like boris vallejo
Young people are the most profitable market for entertainment products like these. This isnt hard to figure out.

>>716388110
this trend of having zero grit in the artstyle but abundant gore is so weird to me, the two things just clash awkwardly

>>716388279
what genres are you interested in, anon?

>>716388228
For the same reason why women hate them too. They're men.

>>716388228
trannies hate what they don't have : feminine features

>>716388332
lmao what they fuck is this impotent ad hominem argument
>>716388354
>Young people are the most profitable market for entertainment products like these. This isnt hard to figure out.
so that means every company ever has to cater to zoomers then?

>>716388376
People would say this is woke too because the character designs are old ugly people.

>>716388376
Not to mention zero nudity or sexuality. It's just so bizarre that a half-naked body is offensive but decapitation is not.

>>716388256
>do we aim at the ever dwindling market of 40+ year old boomers and their yesteryear taste
>or do we go for the new shit that will be hot topic in every single school yard

Hmmmm...

>>716388451
I mean, look at how fucking dead Final Fantasy is, and from census data the average age of FF fans is 42.

>>716388110
Because"adult" animation = gruesome gore, sexual deviance, and gratuitous swearing,

>>716354504
What the fuck even is this?
Seriously, can someone fill me in on this?

>>716388510
Millennial moral standard inherited from sneaking peeks at Total Recall and having their boomer parents cover their eyes only on certain scenes.

>>716354248 (OP)
Yes, miss me with that gay shit.
And fantasy will never be non etnically homogenuous

>>716388451
>so that means every company ever has to cater to zoomers then?
No, zoomers too will eventually become bitter boomers once the market drops them too and goes for the new young generation age 15-25

>>716388531
explain roguelikes, muds and grand strategies

>>716388531
wealth is highly concentrated in older age groups like it's not even funny how poor young people are today

>>716388564
A film adaptation of a band of adventurers in the DnD inspired world of Exandria.

>>716388543
okay? that's one game though, how am i supposed to argue with an anecdotal evidence?
>>716388590
>No,
great, glad we agree on that

>>716388256
>that's like saying companies shouldn't build muscle cars cause women aren't interested in them

Anon, where have you been for the last 2 decades? That is entirely what companies have been doing because they all just collectively assumed they had their original customer base in the bag and thus didn't need to cater to them anymore. Not only has this backfired, it's managed to cost many of them hundreds of millions, and in some cases billions of dollars. It's the same idiotic mindset that caused Disney to buy up Marvel Comics and Star Wars to lock in the young boy to teen market....only to trash both chasing the female audience.

>>716388397
Fantasy, unfortunately it's way to broad and there is no way to narrow it down.

>>716388510
It's got some sexuality

>>716355359
>>716355527

Go back to what. You need to be able to read to go back. I doubt you even learned that in school.

>>716388634
But who are the characters and why are people acting like they know them?

>>716354248 (OP)
Why do the artstyle on the bottom so popular with americans? Like with just one look on the face you can tell it's some fetish shit. It's honestly weird.

>>716388681
eeeeehhhh that's barely anything
like i'm not gay but i bet i could design a sexier male/male scene than that if i had to

>>716354248 (OP)
Yes.

>>716359361
Fantasy is homoganuous, inbred.

>>716388592
You will get no explanation. This idiot is making an obvious appeal to fomo (popularity) and attempting to evade it being detected as if we're fucking stupid.

>>716388616
And who do young people beg to buy them the newest shit for birthday or christmas? Who goes into the movies, buys the merch, the toys, the figurines, the shirts? When was the last time you saw tons of 40 year old boomers go crazy for spending big money on John Carter and the Martians?

>>716388592
how profitable are they compared to zoomer stuff like Fortnite

>>716388659
okay so what you're saying is
>companies stop catering to people (boomers, arguably) who like muscle cars
>companies lose milions
so they SHOULD be catering to boomers then? thanks for proving my point

>>716388721
They also have a sex scene but I can't post that

>>716354248 (OP)
>female swordsman
no, we have to go even earlier

>>716388787
If that's what they're primary customer base is, yes. What are we arguing about?

>>716382668
I have literally never heard of whatever this is and I'm not into tabletop so it's pretty safe to say that this is just highly contained within that area
>largest and most profitable channel on Twitch
Tabletop millennials are notorious paypigs

Something to think about as well after reading the past twenty or so comments is the general decline in literacy and reading levels.
This is really only a hobby for people who have very good literacy, and in english typically; I've known a lot of ESLs who simply won't play because they're unable to articulate what they want their character to do, or they're too embarrassed to try.

>>716354248 (OP)
i would kill to have a true western fantasy setting like the top picture shows i'd fucking eat that shit up never going to happen though people are too cucked in the west to make a good western fantasy like the old days.

>>716354459
>>716354504
https://youtu.be/qvuGSchAcp0?si=89g2dR12xjc_X8xR&t=460

>>716388256
bean counters care because numbers must always go up, so you need to constantly appeal to the largest common denominator.

>>716388705
>But who are the characters
Fjord Stone, a half-orc sailor haunted by dreams of a eldritch deep sea best

Jester Lavorre, Daughter of a famous Courtesan, crazy in the head and cultist of a supernatural trickster "god" called the traveller

Caleb Widowgast, rogue glowie hitman mage on the run from the government

Nott the Brave, a "Goblin" in a nation that hates goblin. On a personal quest.

Beauregard Lionett, the monk girl, troublemaker and disciple of a divine order

Yasha, a barbarian girl haunted by her past, from a wild and savage land

Mollymauk, purple tiefling from the circus, involved in some supernatural cosmic horror stuff

>why are people acting like they know them?
Because they are based on a 140 episode long youtube show, each episode about 3 to 4 hours long

>>716388669
got it, well then how about Rhapsody Child of Blood or Achaja?

>>716388703
playing it withouth having read any of the books was such thematic whiplash - on one hand grounded fantasy where weirdest thing is an elf and few undead on the other instant cross-continent teleportation and portals to fucks-knows-where...

>>716388765
>how profitable are they compared to zoomer stuff like Fortnite
i don't care, stop talking like a fucking corporate slave

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Zoomies are gonna have a fucking field day with this.

>>716388659
Jaguar sales dipped after this promo. Someone actually thought this would sale cars.

>>716389126
>"why arent companies no longer catering to me"
>explain why
>"wtf, stop explaining why companies do shit"
Anon...

>>716389229
no anon, i can't accept this argument. there's tons of profitable ventures that cater to various demographics. this anon >>716389046 underlined it, and again i don't care about big corporations, bean counters or whatever the fuck "yeah but that's the biggest demo" corporate arguments made by retards for retards.

>>716388942
Maybe, but tabletop inevitably has some overlap with other nerd scenes like gaming, cosplay or larp, so the word does spread

>>716389214
Too many rich sheltered idiots work in marketing now. They have no clue who is even buying their products, and if the campaign fails and the company goes under, well who cares? They'll just hop onto the next project through their connections or some government program.

>>716389214
They sold 49 cars that year. Not 49 thousand, just 49. More people sold or swapped their jaguars in after that little ad campaign, that it might've done the exact opposite of what advertising is normally supposed to do.

They pulled a New Coke. You never go New Coke.

Whats the verdict on their old youtube show intro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhFETREAvhc&list=RDLhFETREAvhc&start_radio=1&ab_channel=CriticalRole

>>716389378
meanwhile china shits out what people want and overtakes every fucking market like a parasite

yes, we must go back

>>716389058
>Because they are based on a 140 episode long youtube show, each episode about 3 to 4 hours long
Holy shit that's more total hours than the One Piece anime
If we assume each One Piece episode is 20 minutes and this thing has 3 hour episodes

One Piece
>1137 episodes x 20 minutes = 22740 minutes
>22740 minutes are 379 hours

This thing
>140 episodes x 3 hours = 420 hours

>>716354248 (OP)
just read these and they were kino :)

>>716389392
>More people sold or swapped their jaguars in after that little ad campaign
it's extremely funny when you think about it, cause if fucking mazda did that nobody would sell their car cause people who buy mazdas don't have 10 cars in their driveway
meanwhile someone who owns a jag also owns several other cars, and is in a position of high enough status that having other milionaiires point at him and say "wow you drive the fag car?" is an absolute no-no, so he just gets rid of it, even if at a loss. maintaining status is the most important.

>>716389378
>They have no clue who is even buying their products

They know who buys their products. The problem is they try to appeal to people who don't buy their products. When you try broaden the market and appeal to everyone, sometimes you lose your core customer.

>>716389446
I will never understand why companies insist on not giving the customer what they want.
>hello i would like to buy your overpriced product that i don't actually need
>no! go fuck yourself!

>>716354248 (OP)
No. I'm so sick of the DnD/tolkien fantasy

>>716389481
Mind you, thats Campaign 2. Campaign 1 rocks some 115 episodes and campaign 3 about 120. Not even counting bonus episodes or specials. Its an insane amount of content

Raistlin was gay and lame, adulthood is realizing Sturm was the best character

>>716389562
elaborate anon

not really. it was pretty bad back then too. dnd was never good. its just worse now

>>716389562
It's a Steve Jobs lesson: don't give the customer what they want, tell them what they want. Everyone working at major corporations is a Steve Jobs disciple. That's why everything is minimal and soulless now.

>>716354248 (OP)
The most unsettling part about this is bottom DOESN'T belong to a low quality WEG on patreon.

>>716379682
your players are just shit, try playing without retards. this is easier if you don't use the system designed for retards.

>>716388473
I guess that some would but I don't care about what is and isn't woke I just don't want shit to look lame and boring

Doesn't affect my table

They can't force me to change my game

>>716354248 (OP)
god yes
tieflings are fun but Id take a million elf4life players over whatever that thing on the left in the bottom image is

>>716389698
>It's a Steve Jobs lesson: don't give the customer what they want, tell them what they want
I guess that's true, seems like they're all trying to ape Apple's brand royalty shit but aren't even in the same markets where that would work
The people that buy expensive vanity cars are shallow richfags and they're more honest about the things they like, they want the cars that the shallow socialite whores will jump into and brag about to others.

>>716390152
I hate this shit too

why did we let them ruin nerd shit?

>>716389929
>>716389996
>>716390046
>>716390086
>>716390152
soulless as fuck, how can anyone defend this

>>716368410
lmao

>>716389929
>>716389996
>>716390046
>>716390086
>>716390152
These would probably be less shit if they were in some kind of an action or scene to emphasize them being adventurers. Literally anything better than just standing in neutral poses.

>>716354248 (OP)
>>716354504
>>716382668
I want to fuck the chungus out of the draenei-looking tiefling

>>716390384
only the dude on the right looks decent

>>716390296
kinda like this artstyle

>>716390246
Defend what, anon? People having fun?

>>716390205
How did individual parties or trends that don't have any power to impose anything on your own hobby because every single table is its own thing ruin anything, exactly?

>>716354459
>>716354248 (OP)
Tiefling and goblin slut look good. I feel bad for the hobo in the back left, is he their slave?

>>716390640
nigger

>>716390641
No, he´s a former glowie mage on the run from his government because he turned against wizard CIA

>>716363617
still rings true

These are characters from a 4chan dnd group.

>>716391235
>4chan dnd group.
do what

>>716368796
just because you don't like it doesn't make op a reject. go ahead, scream "no-games"

>>716355310
Can relate to this. I'm more into sci fi and it's even worse.
All the fantasy area of the library is shit written by women for women

>>716381838
They all look like they share the same personality.

>>716354248 (OP)
>>716354459
>>716354504
Complain about all the rest if you like, but Liam consistently makes interesting characters.

>>716354540
>Negro
PCs that insist on using monster races are annoying.

>>716391235
>mostly cool fantasy males
>obvious anime archetype females

>>716392034
The reason to play a female character is to ragebait everyone else at the table. This is just refinement.

>>716391235
>>716392034
whoever made her has some damn fine patrician taste, i tell you that much

can't even imagine being a nerd into fantasy shit lol

before the thread dies: what's wrong with pathfinder/paizo

>>716392034
as opposed to what? give us a cool fantasy female

>>716359864
They're a race optimized for sucking knob.

>>716354248 (OP)
>soul and individual personality
Or
> faggot spectrum of rigid urbanite retards

Yeah gee, I don’t want to go back, we need to cleanse the future of them.

>>716361103
I'm surprised no one has gone for throwback aesthetics in a game for nostalgia.

>>716354248 (OP)
>female warrior
Top image is woke garbage as well

>>716354459
Tieflings are just Arabs. Orcs are niggers.
>lone white guy in the corner wishing he was dead

>>716392260

>>716354540
BG3 had a dog, a dog who has the best character arc, proving the rest of their writing was a waste of everyone’s time.

>>716375984
That’s because tiefling represents Surt immigrants, and current politics is that you have to suck off Muslims, so tiefling stopped being Surt and started being gay pride. Death to Islam.

>>716393145
>aislop

>>716381559
>Take full helm
>add wings to it
He is now the hero and I will follow him into hell.

>>716381838
Orc isn't dressed for the weather. Arguably the Wizard and Aasimar isn't either.

>>716377509
Be less of a retard. Hexagonal geometry is part of orders of magic and an essential part of inscribing.

Also, void and infinite are also magic beyond normal comprehension, are you still suck in the middle of 8?

This post brought to you by me taking a dump.

>>716382287
Wizard > Female Tiefling > Half Orc > Male Tiefling > Goblin > Sokka > Male Barbarian in the back

Female Tiefling gets points because I want her to choke on my cock.

>>716393209
It is. Can’t even do knotwork which is our most ancient tradition.

>>716390367
IRL she’s fat and brown, you can tell because she’s holding porno for girls and a gay thoughts. If not, it’s a tranny.

>>716384202
Man, imagine being the retard that make the Dragonborn sorcerer and completely killed your chance to be part of this gravy train forever?

>>716394220
He quite literally missed out on becoming a millionaire because he was too much of a sperg, lmao. I would be seething to no end

>>716389058
>Caleb Widowgast, rogue glowie hitman mage on the run from the government
So this is going to be the Percy show 2.0 huh? Not that I mind, Percy was the only good thing about Vox Machina.