germans be like, this map is fire

>>716399668 (OP)
It's Holy.
It's Roman.
And it's an Empire.
Voltaire was a subversive faggot.

>>716399668 (OP)
having your garden be it's own kingdom is the true definition of freedom. "united" states mutts will never understand

>>716399858
>
>
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EU V is going to be such ass.

>>716399858

>>716399858
it might not be roman but that's okay because we made north-italy germanic and in turn they blessed us with many great inventions.

>>716399858
Empire implies centralised government. The HRE could barely even collect taxes without a revolt.

>>716399951
I think Roman meant Roman Catholic, not inhabitants of the city of Rome.

The Germans destroyed the roman empire so they deserved this

>>716399668 (OP)
ftfy

>>716400527
snore

>>716399858
Modern politics and politicians are the spiritual children of Voltaire, I don't much like Germans but if anything the HRE has been vindicated.

>>716400040
No it doesn't.

>>716399668 (OP)
>look the same
>speak the same language
>culturally the same
>still insist on city-state autism like ancient greeks
Why are Germans like this?

>>716400851
false
false
false
based

>300+ members

>>716400851
>>culturally the same
Try telling that to Prussians and Bavarians back in the day, the real question is why do everyone wants to every people to be same globalized and indinstinct slop instead of cherishing the real and true cultural diversity of people.

Where we droppin Italy bros?

>>716401128
europe was always black and muslim and you will stop asking questions

>>716401224
>Southern Italy has fewer states
>Is the worst part of Italy
Really makes you think.

>>716399858
Which is why they obviously brought it back after they defeated Napoleon and wanted to restore the old order, right? No wait, they renamed it to what it'd been in reality for the last couple of centuries before Nappy scrubbed it: the German Confederation.

>>716401128
>why do everyone wants to every people to be same globalized and indinstinct slop instead of cherishing the real and true cultural diversity of people
because they lost their root and the only thing is left is nationalism
you know what shocked me the most is when I talked to a swede and he legit told me "we have no culture"

>>716399898
this

Wake me up when it's HoI4's next DLC.

>>716401328
Conflict tends to breed innovation and competition but sometimes people need to be able to chill to develop. Unfortunately the South of Italy has always been under funded

>>716402213
>South of Italy has always been under funded
you mean they don't want to work

>>716402025
HOI4 has always been unmitigated slop. There's a reason why it's the Paradox game with the highest number of trannies playing it. The last good WWII game published by Paradox was Darkest Hour and it wasn't even made by them.

>>716402247
They are still mostly agrarian and under developed. The North wasn't all that different until the late 1800's

imagine if america had become a HRE type structure instead of what it became. would have been so kino.

>>716399668 (OP)
Literally built for dismantling.

>>716402467
the north was the most urbanized area of europe in the midle ages

I fucking hate Crusader Kings.

>>716402472
It wouldn't have been able to sustain itself and would have become weakened and divided, making it prey for the great European powers. The America we got is probably the closest we'll ever have to the HRE except with stronger federalization, if the South hadn't tried to succeed then the states would probably have more individual powers but oh well.

>>716400851
>>speak the same language
they didn't until they forced a standard language on the population.

>>716402513
They also set the basis for the modern banking system, I'd rather chill with the peasants making wine and olive oil instead of the greedy Venetian urbanite bankers.

>>716402296
>it's the Paradox game with the highest number of trannies playing it
Isn't it their game with the highest number of people playing it overall? Trying to put trannies into your argument to make something look bad is disingenuous.

>>716399668 (OP)
I hate Germans like you wouldn't believe

>>716399668 (OP)
OOOOH JAAAA ICH LIEBE TAUSEND KLEINE LÄNDEREIEN JAAAAAA OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH

>>716403137
Basiert

>>716402952
This image is not the own you think it is. Being the one doing the pushing around, and not being the one pushed around yourself is a rare and precious historical privilege.

>>716399668 (OP)
Germans be like
>that's holy
>that's Roman
>that's an empire

>>716402952
germans did not stole your forskin

>>716399858
You will never be a real roman; by the treaty that Charlemagne did with the pope at the time, the papal state's sovereignty was guaranteed and thus its exclusion from the empire.
You will never be holy; that shithole was responsible for some of the worse heresy known to man with faggots like Hus and Luther. Luther's spawns have created some of the worst cults ever, just look at american evangelicals to see how that cancer is still going on.
You will never be an empire, an empire has control over its provinces. Needless to say that this is the opposite of the so called >H>R>E

>>716399668 (OP)
HRE was the closest thing humanity ever had to functioning anarchy and it was beautiful.

>>716404132
That's one of the most low-effort counter memes I've seen.
>yeah bro it's totally not Germanic tribes that invaded and bred like rats in the Roman Empire eventually causing its collapse because these didn't come from the exact area of today's Germany so they're were totally not Germans!
>yeah so maybe Germans did that ok b-but what about the Jews!
>thinking crusaders were acting on behalf of the church when they sacked Constantinople when even the Pope condemned the attack
>thinking that the wars of religions only affected the Church and not millions of people who died in terrible conditions because of some retarded German monk

Éire... has fallen...

>>716404774
sorry for being a protagonist country thirdoid, big people do big things

>>716399898
Eh? There is an EU V on the works? They are starting from scratch again after jewing 4 with 1000DLC?

We've been exiled to icy wastes for the time being...

>>716401224
Italy looks like so much fun.
I want to run into debt creating a huge fleet in Sicily to cuck Aragon and Genoa out of Sardinia

>>716404883
the protagonist of Europa Universalis is Castile

>be a filthy barbarian
>abandon your shit pagan religion for Christ at the first opportunity
>occupy a piece of land your tribe stole from some other tribe because you had to run from superior eastern barbarians
>I'm a prince now
lol, silly krauts

>>716402873
i live here and never heard anyone act like that, just stop going on reddit for bad opinions

>>716402952
Germans are not the reason why you are a low IQ poor brownoid subhuman.

>>716399858
You will never be Roman. You have no gladius. You have no caligae. You have no galea. You are a German twisted by the pope into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Meds mock you. Your neighbors are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “freunden” laugh when they hear your ghoulish language.

>>716404132
absolutely cringe, its like one of those leftist "memes" with to much text to be funny.
reads like pure cope

>>716405138
>superior eastern barbarians
the word slave stems from slav. that's all you need to know, really

>>716399858
It got it's "legitimacy" due to the lie and forgery of Donation of Constantine and failed to suppress the most devastating and largest heresy Christianity ever faced.
It's main population are mostly Germans, and it didn't even hold the city of Rome for the majority of it's existence, robbing the chance you can call it Roman in the most literal meaning. Made all the more redundant when actual Romans and their successors lived in the Eastern Roman Empire.
It was an empire, but a mostly disfunctional one.

>>716401224
The Bucket will be recaptured.

>>716405241
I'm Italian and I love Germans and their autism. German women are beautiful, German men are bros. If they want to larp as Romans who am I to judge? Half of them were under the empire anyways

>>716399668 (OP)
Feudalism is so fucking kino bros. Nationalism is gay, I don’t give a shit about some fag from California and don’t consider them my “countryman” just because a cabal of elite pedos says we are the same.

>>716405648
>If they want to larp as Romans
isn't that what italians do? they're either germanic or useless.

>>716405352
Alien Sex Fiend is such a shit band..

>>716402952
Most Europeans even Italians are descended from barbarians anyway.
90% of the Fourth Crusade including its leaders were French, Germans didn't attend because the emperor just died.
Germany has always been evenly split between Protestants and Catholics, it's in England and Northern Europe that Protestantism really took off.

>another ck3 run where I kick the pope out of Rome and make a new religion that allows me to fuck my daughters

Japan can't come soon enough

>>716399858
ywnbh
ywnbr
ywnbae

>>716402213
>Unfortunately the South of Italy has always been under funded

>give them more money
>they delay infrastructure projects to extort even more money

>>716399668 (OP)
French be like, free real estate.

>>716400851
>i am king of my castle, and the city around it, and the 20 villages feeding it
>i should give all of this up, to be a mayor for 5 years and get voted out

Having 200 city states means having 200 kings who absolutely don't want to stop being kings.

>>716405874
Most of Europe larps as Romans in some way, but Italians are still mostly the descendants of the Larins except for some in Southern and Northern Italy and even then it's still mostly Latin ancestry for most Italians.

>previous game starts 5 minutes before bulgaria gets conquered
>this game actually starts with an existant bulgaria
Yeppp, time to fuck up the Balkans.

>>716399668 (OP)
Fulda deez nuts lol gottem

>>716407438
Fun fact for my american anon friendos: genetic comparisons between modern natives and high status burials from 500, 1000, 1500... years ago proves that Europeans are pretty much the same people, in the same places, as they always have been. Not much genetic drift anywhere, ever since germans and slavs arrived.

>>716399668 (OP)
Voltaire’s nightmare

>>716400851
To prevent inheritance disputes. Land would be split among brothers on death. Then they just kept splitting and splitting and splitting. Until eventually every little shittenburg's local baron who commands three dudes and a cow has imperial immediacy and over 9000 years of ancient rights.

>>716399858

>>716401224
milan. always milan

>>716407784
all shitposting and racewarring aside what is it about that latitude? the only cradle of civilization outside it is the andes civilization

>>716408452
>indus river

>>716408513
it is in that latitude, about the same as ancient egypt
same with china's cradle btw
also it seems mesoamerica is actually bit off too, pretty close though

>>716400851
>you should unify because it satisfies MY autism

Imma turn this round.

>>716399668 (OP)
>Hitler's honest reaction to this map

>>716406035
Germany was majority protestant from about 1650 until 1960. for that matter, so was Holland. You're forgetting Germany is the literal birthplace of protestantism.

>>716408452
It's neither too hot, nor too cold, so you can have agriculture throughout the whole year, which is the basis for civilization. If you get one or the other extreme, you're basically forced to move places and it'll be unlikely for permanent settlements to develop, which are necessary to make advanced technological and societal progress.
Latitude doesn't really matter as long as the geographic circumstances allows for the right kind of (predictable) weather and temperatures for farming, but it just so happens that it's the most likely in that zone.

>>716408704
>it is in that latitude, about the same as ancient egypt
>same with china's cradle btw
If your "middle zone" includes danube and indus and pearl river etc, its half the planet.

>>716409359
m8?

>>716409009
have you a single evidence to back that up?

>>716409578
Not sure what to tell you if you think the climate hasn't changed in thousands of years.

>>716409359
They also had rich soil, thanks to regular flooding, which was necessary to grow the crops to support large populations.

>>716399858
"Holy Roman" = Roman Catholic
"Empire" = Realm

>>716399858
It was holy and roman enough for the chosen people to still seethe about this place 2000 years later

>>716409578
Probably was also pretty hot, but as long as you have access to enough water, it's easier to deal with the heat than frost. That is as long as you're not straight up in the desert and can use irrigation for agriculture.

>>716407560
I'm sure you are super happy with all the Arabs flowing into your countries then, they'll offer a lot of the genetic drift that your elites insist is necessary for Europa to survive. Enjoy muttification, you Euro bastards!

>>716399668 (OP)
>>716399858
>holy
>roman
>empire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPUOT46ucrk

>>716400851
>my live is so much better now that the vampire elite is in control of everything
>i have an iphone!

>>716409938
And Kaiser?

>>716410150
thank you, my 52% brother 48% ape

>>716399668 (OP)
It isn't fine, which is why we made it all one color through blood and iron.

>>716400851
Don't you dare say that i look or sound like a fucking bavarian or schwab you bastard.

>>716410272
D-definetly not Caesar, it actually refers to Kazerfunfertalfen an ancient Germanic title.

>South Germans
SOVL
>North Germans
soulless

>>716410194
I haven't seen this gem in over a decade it feels like.

>>716401224
For me? It's Milan.

>>716409607
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf
do some research on the country you claim to love. friendly reminder most of Hitler's support base came from the protestant evangelical population, Catholics HATED him.

>>716404505
>catholcuck rage
>calling anyone a heretic
hilarious

>>716410836
>Hanseatic Germans
SOVL BEYOND BELIEF

>>716399668 (OP)
>itt seething anglos and meducks who never were able to maintain a 1000 year Reich

I would have taken more, but I need to stop myself from going bankrupt. Also my navigator advisor died while this war was going on and I had to spend some money rerolling because I wouldn't be able to core any of this shit otherwise and waiting for the colony to finish would have ruined me.

no one asked faggot

>>716408452
you dont freeze to death if a particular cold winter hits

>>716405648
Italian "germanics" are something else.

>>716411789
>Catholics are wrong
>uses catholic writings

>>716413020
All the pride and self righteousness of the Italians and the autism of Germans. How horrifying

>>716400737
Was he a nonce as they tend to be too?

I NEED MONEY

>>716413789
He is French, so yes.

>>716413789
he was a simp for Catherine II

>>716413562
>catholic writing
>had to be translated into latin from greek
absolute cope

>>716413869
based for continuing to play after getting assraped but damn bro what are you doing?

>>716413869
bro just conquer the gold mines in mexico and dev them, enjoy making 50 ducats per month.

>>716409793
This, in northern Europe the climate was also pretty mild and they were just retarded barbarians unable to build a civilization.

Found a new alt history sloppa mod on the Vicky 2 page and I'm enjoying it a lot so far, Savoyan Bonaparte, Korean China, revolutionary Anglo-Saxons and Panslavists breaking up the PLC is great. Big Byz is unstable and overextended as fuck after forcibly reorganizing the Balkans but all the scripted fuckery is early (war with Russia + pacifying the slavs) but if you reset and win it's way too overpowered, I got bored in 1860.

>>716399858
dont look up a map in the 1300s if you think this

>>716415535
I have yet to play a Liq2 mod that doesn't have a huge Polan.

>>716415865
What the fuck is this?

>>716416280
Evropa, if you don't give up your personal liberties and pay 110% income tax.

>>716415865
>alt history maps full of fantasy name and imaginary countries
>Kurdistan
:^)

>>716415865
Fishguard my beloved..... you're gone.....

>>716415865
why would the densely populated and very interconnected with infrastructure Russian west magically become uncolonized territory

>>716416882
they returned to monke

>>716400916
>That UI
>Leader potrait in 3D
I fucking hate any Paradox games after Imperator

>>716417614
i don't know why they insist on 3d portraits/characters and such, even why do they bother with terrain
i and i'm pretty sure 99% of gsgfags don't care for that and just want pretty looking and navigable menu autism with a fairly simple political map

>>716414702
>>716415406
I actually planned for the exodus since the beginning because I wanted to RP as a nation who's lost their homeland. That English war declaration only sped it up. I'm a pirate republic. Raiding coastlines is what mainly kept my economy afloat since I had no real power base until now, but it almost wasn't enough. Being a pirate republic also means that I have the same gov cap malus as merchant republics (+75% gov cap cost in states). Those provinces I sold were mainly conquered for colonial range. I stated them for some short-term benefit but I'd have to unstate them at some point either way. They'd take up too much gov cap and give me too little stuff. Selling them back to the natives I conquered them from for a lot of money was definitely worth it. I'm gonna keep Greenland, though. It's going to be a good staging point for an invasion to eventually retake Ireland. I'll think about going into Mexico now. I didn't have enough colonial range to reach there previously.

>>716415865
>"Fernost"
>central/south europe

>>716399898
good thing there are still thousands of hours of gameplay to squeeze out of eu4

>>716417614
Imperator had the best map mode, beautiful and easy to read.
Yes I built roads and cities so I could pick atlas mode and vghhh at my civilization.

>>716417924
Atlas mode?

>>716418032
It's a map mode that desaturates the map, makes it look like paper, and highlights your wonders, temples, roads and cities based on their size, just so you can look at it.

>>716417924
>Imperator had the best map mode
ENTER

>>716418220
>get stabbed by ninjas
>ouchi

>>716418327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEfsYd-VdHg

>>716418327
Took me too long to understand

niggers

>>716418327
>>716418606
fuck me, I laughed

>>716415865
Seriously, what's the name of the mod with that insane map?

>>716408452
Equatorial is too good for completely pre-civilised living, you can just pick fruit off trees and live in a mudhut and you'll be fine. Middle latitudes are good for building early civilisations thanks to being hospitable for agriculture, it's actually worth bothering. Northern/southern ones are best once you've developed enough that you aren't seriously impeded by the cold and aren't at risk of being wiped out by a bad harvest or cold winter, at that point you have a comfortable place to pursue indoor pursuits and develop advanced technology and culture.

>>716404923
yeah, they'll do the same shit as with CK3

>>716423317
>Equatorial is too good for completely pre-civilised living, you can just pick fruit off trees and live in a mudhut and you'll be fine.
Absolutely untrue and I don't know why this /pol/ shitpost keeps being spread, it would be impossible to sustain even precolonial African population without agriculture. The hunter gatherer population of Africa was outcompeted by the Bantus with their iron tools and slash and burn agriculture and either pushed out to horrible land that couldn't be farmed or herded (Khoisan) or their low populations hunted and confined to dense jungle where agriculture was unfeasible (Congolese pygmies). Arab-adjacent peoples also brought herding culture to parts of Africa and compete with farmers to this day, like the Fulani.
They did have substinence agriculture, otherwise it would be impossible to sustain states. It is also highly seasonal (wet/dry season instead of winter/summer) so they always had to preserve food as well .

>>716424185
Enlighten me further, knowing one, if you're up to speed on this stuff

>>716407753
Someone post that one castle that was literally divided among three different families so each one lived in a different part and built more around their part, and built walls across rooms because each one half the room.

>>716407784
>>716409359
>>716423317
I dont buy this cause the most comfortable land yet prime for building massive cities and empires would be the steppes

>Windy plains of green grass and tons of herd animals, no extreme weather, no mountains or any natural boundaries, and so much space that ensures peace between people as you are never forced to share anything or compete

>historical home to bandits, warlords, and nomads who never stay in one place for too long

Meanwhile you got a fucking cold crowded mountainous small space like Switzerland being the land of gold, chocolate and peace.
Make it make sense.

>>716401224
>>716408110
>>716410989
You kids need to GET THE HECK OFF MILAN!!

>>716425798
navigable rivers

>>716413020
>sizziposting
>in my /v/
Sempre per la retta via, mai per la via del retto

>>716425798
>and so much space that ensures peace between people as you are never forced to share anything or compete
Nomads constantly fought one another for herds, and land lol

>>716399858
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>
>

>>716399668 (OP)
what happens in frisian freedom

>>716401224

>>716407784
>Israel
>civilization builder and not stealer

>>716401328
Fuck da north

>>716425798
>Windy plains of green grass and tons of herd animals, no extreme weather, no mountains or any natural boundaries, and so much space that ensures peace between people as you are never forced to share anything or compete
Steppes have no rivers, stable rain, the wind makes growing trees difficult, the soils are usually bad, the lack of mountains and oceans to normalize temperatures means that in steppe cities like Omsk you go from -20 in the winter to +30 in the summer.
The Eurasian Steppe, the Pampas, the US interior west of the Mississippi floodplain (the Great American Desert) are only viable for nomadic cattle herding unless you tap the ground for unsustainable aquifers to support agriculture.

>>716410272
>>716410726
russian czar is based on caesar too, does it make russia roman?

>>716401224
Milan/Rome republic run

>>716422718
A New Sun Will Rise

>>716399668 (OP)
>Meanwhile burger states are fucking rectangles

>>716426540
Funny that you mention that...

>>716400851
>mystery mutt doesn't understand the pre-globohomo world

>>716399858
>Holy roman empire
>emperor with the blessing of the bishop of rome
Holy shit it is actually holy, roman and an empire

>>716427812
Popes were frauds. Still are. They actually have no authority to crown emperors, it's just something Charlemagne pulled out of his ass to seem as a more legitimate claimant to Rome.

>>716427354
the burger states were virgin land at that point in time

>>716428946
>Popes were frauds

Popes had more legitimacy then the orthodox. But neither should have been crowning kings. It's not what Jesus would have wanted from his church.

>>716430515
Vinland

>>716430597
What makes you say that? As far as I'm aware the pope's origin is just as a rogue patriarch.

>>716431038
You'd be right as the first 100 years of the church are a little strange, but the reason the Pope is believed to have more legitimacy is purely because the Vatican had the remains of Peter in Rome.

>>716431583
Yeah, that doesn't really count to me.

>>716431653
apostolic succession
stay mad

>>716431850
Did Peter say anybody who had his bones was in charge?

>>716400851
"german" "national" "identity" was invented in 1871 and the world has never recovered.

>>716432048
Would have been fine if it had been based around the civilized Austrians instead of the barbarous Prussians.

>>716432126
The stronger the german menace gets the more damage they can do to their civilized neighbours in the West and East.

>>716431926
No the ones he lays his hands on.

>>716399858
More like youre retarded

>>716399668 (OP)
Never played EU4, how do you deal with this? Do you have to click on each individual state and declare war? Is declaring 25 wars in a year even possible?

>>716434213
>Do you have to click on each individual state and declare war?
Yes, unless some of those states are allied with each other, which they often are.
>Is declaring 25 wars in a year even possible?
Yes, but it's highly unadvisable. At least taking land in all of those 25 wars is, because doing so will surely get all nearby countries banding together to stop your warmongering.
All that is a very poetic shorthand, because Paradox games, but especially EU4 suck at modelling real world conditions. The only one of their games that even begins to try is Victoria 2.

>>716399858
He was friends with frederick II thoughever.

>>716399858
TRVTH NVKE

>>716399858
>holy
then why the schism

>roman
good fucking joke, germans calling themselves romans when they were a principle enemy of rome and only a very small part of their territory was ever roman

>empire
an extremely loose confederation of bickering city-states is hardly an empire, germany did eventually have an empire but the HRE was not it

>>716399858

I'm gonna die if they don't announce the release date soon. They've been stringing us along for too long.

>>716401328
Southern Italy is real Italy

Voltaire wrote that like one generation before it was dissolved.
France wasn't much more "unified" before Louis XIV.

>>716407784
>civilization destroyers
no nigga ever sacked Rome

>>716399934
The irony here is that Voltaire was French and they call their country "France" even though they're not actually frankish, nor Germanic.

>>716435286
But they sacked Prestor John's kangdom.

>>716399898
probably but eu4 isn't going anywhere

I'm getting fed up of german slander, they are one of the GOATs of history

>>716400527
Counting allies is fucking stupid unless you are describing the Axis as a whole.

>>716435319
Real French are overwhelmingly Celto-Germanic, yes even the one from Provence.

>>716425798
Maybe there's a reason nothing but grass grows there

>>716435508
It's because of South American and Balkan gaining internet. Their sheer unwashed masses flood the internet with Rome larp Because thats the last time they think they "won".

>>716399858
Voltaire was 100% right at the time he said it.
When he said the line in the 18th century HRE was not Holy (aka. the role of the right arm of the church, which had long ago been usurped by Spain and France), it wasn't Roman (Rome hadn't been part of it for two centuries) and it wasn't an Empire (a political union of different peoples, it was just a bunch of germans).

>>716437029
I'm south american...

>>716435508
>>716437029
>>716437145
Rome wins again.

>>716403513
You realize all those germans got their shit pushed in, right?

>>716399668 (OP)
These "nations" weren't sovereign and could not do as they pleased, especially the smaller ones. Portraying the HRE this way is like portraying the US as a ton of small, separate counties because each have their own mayors/councils

>>716437145
OUR GREATEST ARYAN SOLDIER!

Real germans are too busy in their mosques and having bratwurstparty to defend themselves online

I mean, rome or roman is such a intangible concept. Like the original Roman population was completely dwarfed and assimilated by their conquests. France could call itself Roman because they were all roman citizens at one point because being ng genetically roman didn't even exist in the first place since Rome was originally a settler colony of random people.

Rome was really just an institution that anyone could invoke so is it really a surprise a random German federation called itself Rome. Or that the Turks created a second Rome called the Sultanate of rum.(Rome) Or that random people online consider themselves the sons of Rome.


Anybody can call themselves roman as long as they do vaguely roman things. The Eastern Roman Empire fully reverted to being culturally Greek and speaking Greek and changing the original roman religion to Christianity along with extremely low to nonexistant original roman ethnicity. What made them roman.

I'm guessing roman is just a political institution in the general zeitgeist at this point

>>716438164
why americans can't understand systems outside their country or any history/culture?

>>716401224
Because white people made everything and colonised the world, duh. Im from Serbia btw.

>>716401328
south was actually rich before they were overrun and looted by the nationalist crazies