Thread 716438181

>cosmic, unknowable entities in Mass Effect
>expanded on in 2
>completely explained and brought to a knowable understanding and defeated in 3
Has there been a greater villain fall off in gaming history?

>>716438181 (OP)
>cosmic, unknowable entities in Mass Effect
>Didn't play the first game

>>716438181 (OP)
There is nothing unknowable

>>716438327
They're not explained much in the first game, their lore is largely left unfilled until the third game.

>>716438454
It's explained enough for them to not be "unknowable"

>>716438437
So you're denying the entire premise of Lovecraftian horror?

>>716438540
Yes.

>>716438540
A genre of fiction?

i kinda liked the first draft of the story where the stars where dying because they were using element zero or whatever

the synthetic vs organic shit was legitimately cringe

>>716438486
I don't remember a lot about Mass Effect but wasn't the first game just like "they're some kind of robots with independent AI"?

>>716438561
Why? Do you not think that the universe, being infinite and largely unknown, contains that which is unknowable to human intelligence? Is God itself not inherently unknowable? Even Christ was a manifestation of God brought down to human level and understanding, and His time is still debated now.

>>716438628
What do you think Mass Effect is based on if not Lovecraftian horror? You're on a video game board talking about fiction, get a grip.

>>716438694
you are silly

>>716438691
First game established them as
>Robots that shows up every 5000 years to harvest the galaxy. They built the citadel and mass relays and allow civilisations to flourish the time comes

>>716438181 (OP)
>>expanded on in 2
The 'expansion' of Reapers in 2 was fucking dogshit.
>we gather the sludge of an entire species and inexplicably build them into a giant approximation of the physical shape of the species, but then we pack it into an outer layer of cuttlefish anyway
2 was a retarded sidequest that destroyed any chance of the Reaper trilogy having a good story, and it got away with it by having a fun action movie approach and a good cast of characters.

>>716438181 (OP)
In the first game they are meant to be cosmic horrors from outside of the known galaxy that devour all life every cycle. The Geth an AI race worship them.

In the second game they are saturday morning cartoon villains and have henchmen now who are bugs for some reason. Oh and they are making a human reaper because... you know... some reason.

In the third game the reapers are AI ships and can be easily killed. They're boring space ships and get their shit pushed in. What you thought they were cosmic horrors? Nah that got retconned. Oh you thought it didn't. No it did. Because the writers literally said on the Bioware forums they didn't have any clue how to kill them if they stuck to the original ideas they had for them.

Oh and the game went through several writers all who shat on the last writer.

>>716438181 (OP)
If nothing was explained, you'd be bitching about not knowing enough.

>>716438181 (OP)
Leviathan was a fucking mistake but the dive was cool.

>>716438897
>and can be easily killed
>get their shit pushed in
Stop lying, during the entire game you only take down 3 of them and all of them were the smaller units.
>What you thought they were cosmic horrors
Only idiots thought that.

>>716438694
Not understood and unknowable are two different concepts. Lovecraft's work was written at a time when people legitimately thought that if they saw a train in a movie, that it would possibly jump out of the screen at them. The idea of the unknowable (fiction) is far more interesting than contemplating what is actually unknowable (nothing).

>>716438437
you don't know what you don't know and you never will

>>716439073
The end battle you build up points and just push their shit in with a fleet of normal ass ships. Shut the fuck up nigger.

>>716438763
Mass Effect itself?
Really any old hard science fiction writer.
The Reapers?
Sorta Lovecraftian, I guess.
Heinlein? HG Wells?

>>716438962
No I wouldn't. I don't read Lovecraft or play Bloodborne and get angry that I don't understand everything that happens. That's kind of the point, you're supposed to think and maybe not everything is supposed to be understood.

>>716438181 (OP)
>unknowable
>beyond your comprehension
The immediate first sign of pretentious hack writing.

>>716438181 (OP)
What was their endgame? Just keep repeating the cycle until the heat death of the universe? Then what?

>>716439112
Yeah ok, get back to me when you write something as good as Call of Cthulhu.

>>716439104
Stop lying, during the entire game you keep losing sectors as it goes on and during the final battle the reapers would have won if you didn't activate the plotdevice
>just push their shit in with a fleet of normal ass ships.
But it was fine when the first game did it?

>>716439104
>The end battle you build up points and just push their shit in with a fleet of normal ass ships
No you dont? I'm not him and ME3 is retarded, but you gather the fleets of the entire galaxy and still barely destroy any Reapers with conventional weapons in the final battle. 99% of them are destroyed by the mcguffin thing whatever it was called.

>>716439234
Hmm... looks like you can't criticize games anymore

>>716438486
Empty mystery boxes are gay and lame.

>Lovecraftian
The big spooky twist of Shadow Over Innsmouth is that the female lead is a mulatto. Dude married a Jew despite being a raging anti-Semite. Even his contemporaries got sick of his performative racism. You are sucking off the guy who unironically named his cat 'Niggerman'. Dude was a hack and a blithering retard. Shut up.

>>716438181 (OP)
The Reapers are just cheap knockoffs of the Inhibitors from Revelation Space, who are the remnants of the only major galactic war and suppress spacefaring life for equally idiotic reasons and are circumvented, not defeated, by the same kind of deus ex machina. The Blight from A Fire Upon the Deep is also defeated in the exact same manner as the Reapers. Novels from the early 90s and 00s.

>>716439420
I've said this for years, overly verbose and repetitive themes
Half of his stories are "oh my im so startled aieeee"

>>716439234
Cthulhu jobs to a boat. Get the fuck outta here.

>>716439397
Speaking of which! Fuck, we really should've seen the shit ending coming.

>>716439420
Male lead.
But also, it's a microcosm of the overall lore. This is like saying Twilight Zone was a failure because of a focus on individuals in some cases rather than the overarching powers involved in the series.

>>716439504
>"Is that a guy with an octopus head? AIEEEEEEEE I'M GOING INSAAAAAAWARBLFLARGLE!!!"

>>716439102
Literally Donald Rumsfeld has all of Lovecraft washed in a single quote

>>716439313
Are you a fucking moronic faggot retard or something? Have you even played the game? Sovereign fucks both the citadel fleet and the human fleet. It only dies because Saren who it's tied to dies and it's otherwise impenetrable shields drop you stupid fucking bitch faggot.
>>716439320
No.
https://youtu.be/XzlPsTs18Ds?t=215

>>716438181 (OP)
Sovereign was their hype man, of course he was going to make them sound unbeatable.

>>716440205
The video you posted disproves the narrative you're pushing, we see all that firepower most of which don't even hurt the reapers and what does hurt them isn’t enough to bring them down
>it's otherwise impenetrable shields drop you stupid fucking bitch faggot
So without that shield regular ass ships brings it down?

>>716440229
Sovereign was their bitch, the one who drew the short straw to do the most dangerous job of sleeping within the galaxy to open the door when his alarm went off. He was never meant to interact with anyone.

>>716440205
The video you posted literally proves my point, did you even watch it? Barely any reapers in the cinematics actually get destroyed by ship fire. The fleet is there not to destroy reapers, they can't, they're there to keep them busy while the ground forces actually get the crucible working.

>>716438437
Okay, well tell that to my cat, Niggerman

>>716438181 (OP)
>expanded on in 2
That's one way to put it, I guess

>>716440652
>He was never meant to interact with anyone.
>Interacts with Saren, Benezia, the Geth, Shepard's crew, etc

It doesn't matter what he was meant to do, he did.

Aren't they just the Inhibitors from Revelation Space but lamers

>>716440742
>>716440597
>b-barely any get destroyed!!!
>see about 5 getting blown up
You stupid fucking nigger you think I can't see you posting on cooldown you fucking dumb bitch. Get fucked.

>>716441219
>we see 5 reapers getting blown up in the entire battle because capital ships from the Milky Way fleet are focusing them with the biggest guns the galaxy has
Oh wow that'll surely make a massive dent in the endless fleet of reapers lol. You sure showed me.

>>716441320
>Y-you only see 3 getting killed
>Uh that's only 4 reapers
>the reaper fleet!? No way 5 reapers is but a dent!
Lmao get fucked retard.

>>716438827
>every 5000 years to harvest the galaxy
That is way too frequent; the reapers were harvesting ancient Egyptians and Mesopotamians?

>>716441219
We see them getting hit with weapons and shrugging them off like nothing, we see one or two of them lose limbs(?) and it doesn’t seem to impact their performance at all.

>>716441546
>4chanX literally has a YOU pulldown to mark or unmark posts as YOU
Who do you think you're fooling wimp bitch?

>>716440845
It really is like they took the plot of Revelation Space but made it.
A) Gay.
B) Retarded.
C) Low IQ.

>>716441419
>Y-you only see 3 getting killed
Yes in the game you kill 3 of them. Two medium size and one small one, one got taken down with the galaxies biggest thresher maw. Second one through the combined fire power of the quarian and geeck fleet while the small one got taken down with a portable nuke
>>716441475
Only the species that reached the galactic stage, everything that hasn't was left alone.

>>716441757
No hold on there fat fuck. You said 3 in the entire series. Get on your knees and start sucking because I've fucked you.

>>716441853
See
>>716439073
>during the entire game you only take down 3 of them
But I was wrong about the size of them.

>>716442116
You were wrong bitch ass.

>le frickin unknowable
>le unfathomable
>le incomprehensiblerinos
>le heckin eldritch

There's really no winning once you play the "we are beyond your le comprehension" card
>don't explain it
>"What a cop out, they just said that so they wouldn't have to think of a motive!"
>explain it
>"Wtf I thought it was supposed to be beyond comprehension!"

>>716441320
They only make a single capital-class Reaper every 50,000 years. We're not talking the replicators where all it takes is one and you're boned.

Also, they probably make more than one destroyer each cycle, but those are bad jokes and can be destroyed fairly easily.

>>716442727
Lynch. But he never said it was incomprehensible

>mass effect 3 comes out
>hell yeah can't wait to kill some reapers
>you only get to kill these little shitboys
this was worse than the ending desu

>>716443152
Roflmao those can be destroyed using infantry.

>niggers still seething about a cat name one century later
Lovecraft just can't stop winning

>>716440845
at least this bit was okay

>>716438181 (OP)
I was expecting the Reapers to be fighting some even greater cosmic horror, or maybe enemies from another universe.
Instead they were just... uh... I actually don't even remember the Reaper's motivations. The writing was so bad that I forgot.