Thread 716464171

>some people actually believe in B
Holy shit some people are delusional

i like starting threads like this too

the portal works with physics that no one understands so how can you claim one or the other ?

force is mass and acceleration
the cube has mass
the cube has acceleration
the cube receives an upward force
>inb4 the cube isn't moving
once it's on the other side it is moving

>>716464495
>fly ass-first at a giant cock at 1 million m/h
>"wtf that cock flew right into me"

It's C it disintegrates

>>716464495
stupid btard

>>716465060
You've gotta appreciate the effort in making the logo look nice for Team Hoops.
Keep posting all the memes on this subject. I want to see which side produces better art.

there ya go, goodbye

>>716465020
>gets magically sucked up into the hole
lol

>>716464171 (OP)
in before 675 posts omitted

>>716465095
>lol what if i switched a and b, how devilish

>>716465176
See
>>716465060
Both sides of the doorway aren't moving in relation to each other. In OP, the portals are moving in relation to each other.

>>716465361
cope

>>716465401
I don't think that's word means what you think it means.

>>716465435
cope

>>716465226
extreme retard alert, A is still momentum relative to the world and B is still relative to the portal.

>>716464495
>>716465189
you know the btards are wrong because they're desperately making these le funny images

>>716464495
You don't understand how A works.
Imagine if the cube was actually a long cylinder being teleported by the platform. In that case, it would have to come out quickly (though not shoot out like a bullet) because it's such a long object.
But the teleportation action ONLY applied to it for the height of the cube. Thus, the weak *plop*ing happens. Because there was little distance in the height dimension.
Your cock is being constantly teleported for quite a long distance. Thus, it has to come out quickly as well.

>>716465479
>expecting an Afag to understand that A and B aren't just "thing doesn't move" and "thing moves"

>>716464171 (OP)
Assume the portal negates any instantaneous speed aka acceleration.

I'm pretty sure the plate slamming against the frame of the portal would cause the plate to flex slightly, entering the portal and exerting a force on the cube after it enters.

Assume the plate is moving 1 million km/h. When it enters, the cube is through in one moment, in the next moment the bent part plate is through and displacing the cube. Force = mass x acceleration

The instantaneous speed of the bent plate is a factor of how long it entered and its speed.

A would occur if the bent plate cannot move the cube horizontally enough to clear the portal. The cube would experience the friction of sliding against a solid wall at a 45 degree angle and subject to gravity, so it would slide/roll down and plop onto the ground.

B would occur if the bent plate was moving fast enough to jettison the cube.

If the force exerted depends on the speed at entry, and given that force scales with acceleration even if modified by the elasticity of the plate then both A and B are correct depending on the initial speed at impact.

>>716464171 (OP)
I'm not a physicist so I'll go with the AI on this one.

>>716465479
>A is still momentum relative to the world and B is still relative to the portal.

No, this is false and also doesn't describe anything at all

>>716467047
>B fags get their answers from chatbots

It all makes sense now

>>716467489
This chat bot could endlessly argue about this topic in a more effective manner than pretty much anybody that will post in this thread.

>>716467047
>the cube is falling due to gravity
No it's not...

>>716467728
I noticed that and I corrected it, though the new explanation doesn't sound much better to me either.

>>716467795
everyone knows instinctively its b.

>>716468285
I agree. The explanation doesn't matter too much to me, but it feels like it should be B.

>>716464171 (OP)
The answer has always been neither

>>716468285
it's a

If it was a game, and it didn't work like B, you'd be disappointed.

>>716468478
You mean your childish brain expected b and you're disappointed when you think like an adult and realise it's a

>>716467795
For years Bfags say portals break the conservation of momentum though.

>>716465179
It's not magic, retard. Gravity starts acting on the exposed half of the cube in the exit portal which causes it to move.

>>716468561
Chat GPT says the only way A is ever possible is if the world of Portal literally has different physical properties than ours.

@OP
>same tired old shit but now with more bait
get a new material faggot

>>716468989
is he wrong though
does anyone give a shit about this game

>>716468738
Bullshit, gravity or no gravity it's the explanation B fags use when the portal stops halfway

>>716464979
This kills the B-fag.

>>716468754
>says motion is conserved through portals
>except of course when the motion of the portal is magically transferred to the cube that is not in motion
lol

>>716469132
Totally different situation because of the slope.

>>716464171 (OP)
>still on that old shit
Why aren't you pushing *new* territories on portals' behaviors instead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UsAqvooYj4

>>716468754
The world of Portal does have different physical properties than ours. The existence of portals violates the law of conservation of energy.

>>716464171 (OP)
Tidal forces at the event horizon of the portal created by one portal moving and the other being stationary results in infinite acceleration, tearing all forms of matter apart once it comes into contact. The cube undergoes nuclear fission and explodes.

This is canonically addressed in one of the test chambers.

>>716469181
It had a lot to say about this. I'm still reading it.

>>716464171 (OP)
I believe in A because I like it better.

>>716467795
actual detailed reasoning and explanation in this one. B makes the most sense

>>716469324
A lot to say without actually saying anything at all, just empty platitudes to assure the gullible that it's correct

>>716469386
>the cube is squeezed into the portal with vertical force
>detailed reasoning
lmao

>>716469393
I feel like it's taking the topic reasonably seriously. Do you think it's unfair to say that a portal could be viewed as an entire system?

>>716469475
>I feel like it's taking the topic reasonably seriously.
Another empty platitude
A computer can't take things seriously, it's a computer, that doesn't make sense.

>>716469475
LLMs are glorified search engines, it's just curating and compiling common responses to the question, and most people are retards who believe in B.

>>716469510
My bad, that was the wrong screenshot.

Reminder that no argument will ever convince A-tards, because they lack the IQ necessary to comprehend the basic premise of frame of reference. No matter how much you will explain it to them, they will simply go "I dun geddit" because the unintuitive nature of relativity is simply beyond their reach.

>>716469572
saying frame of reference doesn't magically give objects momentum, no matter how hard you try

>>716469641
>But steel is heavier than feathers
Yes, yes, A-tard, we know why you think that.

>>716469681
Please stop being tedious at any time

>>716469181
Motion is relative anon.

>>716469572
If the portal were able to confer momentum, it would be infinite acceleration or deceleration at the portal's event horizon. You wouldn't get A or B in that case. It's either exploding or compressing into a singularity.

>>716469681
>If I shake my head around all the objects in my room should go flying

>>716465176
it's cheating just to post the correct answer like this every thread.

>>716469707
>>716469724
>I dun geddit

>>716469724
Chat GPT is afraid of this one.

>>716469787
Did you even comprehend my post?

>>716469751
The simple-minded strawman is adorable.

>>716469852
not an argument

>>716469830
Yes; that's the difference between me and you. I understand perfectly what you think what you think, and I understand perfectly why you are wrong.

>>716469830
he did not comprehend your post

>>716469828
It says you Bfags need to explain where the impulse (momentum?) is coming from or else that anon is right, I think.

>>716469898
>start reply chain off claiming no argument will ever work on A-tards
>"wtf, why aren't you providing an argument??"
Truly boggles the mind.

>>716469724
Portals alter momentum without acceleration, this is observable in the games even with stationary portals.

>>716469995
>>716470004

>>716469997
>still no argument

>>716469913
why you think what you think*

>>716469828
It's the actual answer to the question, and why portals had to be stationary relative to each other in the first game. Technically, every portal you place is in motion (rotating earth, earth orbiting sun, sun orbiting Sagittarius A*, Milky Way hurtling through space, spatial coordinates changing constantly due to expansion), but so long as they are stationary relative to each other, then you don't have to deal with infinities and they're fairly safe.

>>716470004
no it isn't lol

>>716470057
That's pretty cool. I like getting down to the heart of matters like this. Thanks, anon.

>>716464171 (OP)
I think it's just attention bait and they all know it's A. I know most people are retards but not to THIS level

>>716470045
Real mental Hercules over here.

you guys completely ignored that conservation of momentum is not necessary for A or B to occur and devolved into an argument about whether nullifying it is possible. The elastic properties of the stands guarantee that some force can be transferred thru the portal after the object enters. The momentum of the cube is irrelevant and only the momentum and elastic property of the stands matter

>>716470101
Yes it is, you don't understand the topic.

>>716465189
This one completely lost the point

>>716470201
Then provide evidence. Otherwise, no it isn't

>>716470107
I only considered the effect on matter. Now you have to wonder what effect it has on light travelling through portals conferring infinite acceleration/deceleration. In the case of deceleration, you'd probably get an effect similar to the hard light bridges in Portal 2, for acceleration, I have no fucking idea.

>>716470321
So where is momentum being altered

the cube is placed on a trampoline and a portal is dropped on top of the cube on the trampoline. What happens, A or B?

>>716470536
A and a half

>>716470321
That's redirecting pre-existing momentum.

>>716470536
It does a sweet trickshot off the edge of the slope and bounces back onto the trampoline. You can vision it now. It looks extremely cool.

>>716470634
>that's changing momentum
Precisely!

>>716470825
That's not what you mean when you say change. You mean increasing or decreasing momentum, which is not how that works.

>>716464979
Its fascinating how this visual simultaneously proves both A and B through a direct proof and proof by contradiction respectively. It proves A since, from the perspective of the left side of the video, it shows A logic respecting the laws of physics. It also proves B since, from the perspective of the right side of the video, it shows A logic violating the laws of physics (the platform should transfer its momentum to the cube upon stopping), suggesting the opposite argument, B, is correct.

This paradox highlights the real answer, which is that there is no answer. Portals violate the law of conservation of energy. The world of Portal operates on different laws of physics, and since there is no way to test the rules of the fictional world empirically (Valve did not program an interaction between normal object and moving portals), there is no way to know what new laws of physics replace the laws of physics that are broken. Arguing about which side is correct is analogous to arguing about what a fictional character's favorite color is when such information is never provided. A truth does not exist.

>>716470889
>You mean increasing or decreasing momentum
It did that too! It decreased downward momentum to 0 for a moment. Amazing isn't it?

the portal is wearing a life jacket and you drop it on a cube floating on water, A or B?

>>716471151
I don't know why I feel compelled to argue with a chatbot, but its argument doesn't work when you consider that with the information provided, both answers are equally possible. Or, more precisely, equally impossible.

>>716471151
Strictly speaking, in Portal 2, A is the correct answer and is testable with the community chambers, and explicitly proven at the end of the game when you put a portal on the moon.

>>716471450
>Chat GPT unironically comparing all of this to theoretical physics

>>716464495
>B fag cant make his retard argument without bringing up violent anal rape
lol lmao Bfags just give up already, damn

>>716471885
Is that how big Goku's head normally is?

>>716471885
Why do you think that picture involves violent anal rape?

>>716471037
>he thinks objective directions exist
B-fags everyone

>>716464171 (OP)
Portal threads are poor man's skub threads

>>716471925
It's bigger than normal

>>716471959
Downward in this context means the direction of gravity.

>>716471964
Skub threads get banned, so this is what we're allowed to have

>>716471627
The glitchy, very clearly unintentional mechanics of moving portals in a level editor can hardly be considered cannon. I'm curious if anyone has analyzed the mechanics of the moon scene with regards to how it relates to the debate, since that's the only cannon instance of objects going through portals that are not relatively stationary. (The only thing that goes through the moving portals in the gas chamber scene is light, so that's not useful).

>>716472209
It's difficult to analyze it because of the decompression and all.

>>716472313
It's pretty save to say that Chell isn't flying past the Moon's surface with 2000mph

>>716469110
Not him
It's called momentum
It's not magic

>>716468738
So that video is pointless because portals in Portal doesnt act that way
You can stand in between portals and it doesnt suck you to the other side, the gravity only starts applying once you go through it

>>716469283
While the portal does indeed have infinite mass, the gravity is constrained by some kind of magic that is not explained in the game
The cube does spontaneously combust but that is completely unrelated to the portal, but because of Seldon's theories on psychohistory

>>716469132
>Makes fun of the A crowd
>BFAGS BTFO
lol
lmao, even

Personally I like shitposting on both sides.
It's B, but shitposting as A is so much more fun.

>>716464495
>the cube receives an upward force
the orange portal is literally moving downwards
even if bfags are right and the cube "receives" the momentum of the panel, its going upwards because the blue portal is literally pointing upwards holy fuck man

>>716473108
This isn't even A.

>>716464495
>the cube receives an upward force
No it doesn't.
You're on the right side of the fence for the wrong reasons lmao.

>>716464171 (OP)
The cube exerts counterforce on the moving platform that is equal to the energy needed for the acceleration of the cube's transported part to platform's speed. The cube retains the end speed of the platform after deceleration.

I sadly got a degree in physics instead of something useful in life.
Based on how portals work in Portal 2, it's B.
I'll now leave your ragebait thread.

>>716464979
A would require the transported object to be tied down to the physical space before the portal, thus making what appears from the other end a hologram, a projection from pocket space. This might seem intuitive to you but it's not when you think of the system of portal physics as a whole, because portals transport objects, not space. If the blue portal is rotated, the cube would fall off because it is affected by the gravity on the blue side, not on the orange side. If you walk near to the sideways blue portal connected to an upright orange portal, you are not falling in it because of the gravity from the other side, you will only fall after you start entering the portal.

bee

>>716477356
Not the bees!

>>716470889
Anon, acceleration is any change in a vector, whether that's magnitude OR direction. A stable, circular orbit experiences acceleration too.

Einstein proves B right thanks to the law of relativity, the object relative to the portal entered at X speed, so it will exit at the same X speed, nothing else matters i got science on my side

>>716471885
No violent anal rape occurs in that image. Unless you're a dumb B fag.

>>716478551
Object stands still relative to the moving portal frame, it will stand still after the frame moves around it.

>>716478773
>Object stands still relative to the moving portal frame
So the portal will never reach it.

>>716465593
youre standing there defending haven't shat pants on, and we're making fun of you.
but it's just sad now.

>>716478841
The portal frame will wrap the object, the object will appear from the other side of the portal after the frame moves >50% of the object's size. Since the object was still, he will remain still (and will fall from the blue portal, due to the angle)

>>716478948
>The portal frame will wrap the object
Then the object is not still relative to the portal.

>>716478971
Okay then it's not relative but it changes nothing.

>>716479002
It changes the objects position over time. What do you call that?

>>716479082
The object's position stays the same, it's the world around it moving, when it goes through the portal. Sort of.

Oh boy! Is that time of the month again? More portal spam?

>>716479202
>The object's position stays the same.
So the portal just moved everything on the other side closer to the object...

>>716464495
The reason this is wrong is because, since the blue portal is moving, it means the orange portal is technically also moving in relation to everything else along with you with it. It's like shoving one end of a cardboard tube up your ass, and inserting a cock in the other, and saying the cock launched up into you when you sat on it.

>>716464171 (OP)
B is the obvious answer
A-fags are NPCs

>>716479356
Maybe, but it doesn't apply the force on the object, so it shouldn't move. Think about the tablecloth trick, it's the same.

A-niggas are retarded

what happens in portal if i jump through a portal?

it conserves my momentum, i dont suddenly drop to the ground
fags

>>716479548
>but it doesn't apply the force on the object
No it just applies force to the entire universe on the other side apparently.

>>716479576
Anon... the cube has no momentum. The portal touching it doesn't suddenly give it momentum.

>>716464171 (OP)
people also believe that mythical supeweapons capable of destroying entire world are real and are paying taxes to pedos because sand niggers on the other side of the world might have said magic weapons

>>716479647
>the cube has no momentum
It does though. It's getting closer to the other side of the portal.

>>716479626
Actually yes. And that's why the still object will remain so and will fall from the second portal. Does it make sense?

I promised myself not to get ragebaited by these threads but i've had it.

if we're talking in terms of a reality where portals exist, both of these scenarios are wrong. they both violate the equivalence principle. A shows the cube suddenly accelerating from the portals frame of reference, but not moving at all from the exit.

B violates the equivalence principle because no energy was imparted to the cube for it to just fly out. neither gravitational nor kinetic.

both of these scenarios merely prove that portals can't exist in a discrete form. at best you could create a wormhole where the distance is shortened. but it's fundamentally impossible to describe a scenario where either of these are true, aka where discrete portal jumps can happen.

now if this is about what's a valid reference in the game, then it depends on the way the physics engine was coded.

That's it. This is done. We must move on now.

>>716479647
>the car's not moving!

>>716479852
the cars are touching the ship. guess what the cube isn't doing with the portal, midwit.

>>716479745
Only if the entire other side of the universe suddenly stops.

>>716471627
The Moon scene is EXPLICITLY B
Relative momentum in = relative momentum out
Chell's movement relative to the portal on the Moon is the same as it was relative to the portal on Earth, even though both portals are actually moving at a 1000 km/s relative to each other. If momentum were some absolute, intrinsic property of objects, this scene would not have been possible.

>>716479905
Who fucking cares about the portal? The platform holding up the cube is also moving

>>716479963
... But it isn't?

>>716479675
Based redpill, anon. You just connected the portal paradox to geopolitical psyops and completely bypassed the conservation of momentum in both physics and public discourse. Truly, the cube falls *because* we pay taxes.

Literally everything on the other side of a moving portal is moving

>>716479847
>if we're talking in terms of a reality where portals exist
>B violates the equivalence principle
How can it violate something that doesn't apply to that reality

>>716464171 (OP)
Daily reminder that not a single person who understands the case for B argues against it

>>716479847
We are talking about the game since this otherwise would be off topic and off topic threads are against the rules. Portals in portal don't conserve energy. It is clearly shown in the game that you can take something on Earth, put it through a portal to the moon, and that thing will change velocity to match the moon without any force or energy. You would think it would be done and we could move on, but you will see that that simply isn't possible.

>>716479963
>The platform holding up the cube is also moving

If it was B, then, if both portals are still, like in the games, you simply couldn't enter the first portal. Because referring to your words, the portal's end doesn't have momentum, so the entering object couldn't move there.

>>716480267
Yes. The platform and the cube are both measurably getting closer to the other side.

>>716480196
Of course it's overwhelmingly, self-evidently B both from in-game evidence and simple logic. That's why these threads never start with an honest inquiry any more but always by asserting that B is wrong.
Everyone who argues for A is either genuinely retarded or pretending to be, and you can treat them the same either way.

>>716480296
The object has momentum, dipshit

>>716480373
Yes retard, therefore the object will exit the portal 2 with the same momentum as when he entered portal 1. Therefore, it's the object's momentum that matters, not the portal's momentum. It is A.

>>716480296
Smartest A-fag.

>>716479847
This >>716474863 is the answer. For the moving portal to give energy to the cube it will decelerate itself by a corresponding amount of kinetic energy.

Words can't even describe how hard B is winning right now.

>>716480439
Momentum is relative. The point is the portal and the object must move relative to each other. They have momentum relative to each other.
Whatever goes in, goes out. That's the simple rule that naturally leads to B, and it is necessarily how portals function. You fundamentally misunderstand B, portals, and momentum, and you're trying to pull a "gotcha"? It's pathetic.

>>716480439
Can you tell me in each case where you used "momentum" relative to which object you've considered said momentum?

>>716480451
You really think so? Oh dear... This is what we have to work with, huh

>cube flies out because the portal gave it momentum
so what happens if the platform goes through the portal as well? if it doesn't mount but the cube does, there's a contradiction.

>>716480645
The same thing, obviously. B is always consistent, that's its entire thing.

>>716479712
>It's getting closer to the other side of the portal.
through it's momentum or something else?
>>716480694
consistently wrong

Bfags cum in each others mouths thread number nine nine nine nine nine...nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine...

>>716480779
>I have no argument and I must write gay fanfiction
A fags living up to the name.

>>716480824
>meanwhile Bfags: hurr dick go in ass

>>716480582
Relative momentum of the portals doesn't matter. Portal ist just a a hole in the world. The world in stays still, the object stays still, the portal hole moves around the object (but remember, the world, that the hole with 2 portals connects, stays still). The object will be still.
If the object had a momentum when it entered the hole, it would retain it when it exited the hole.

>>716480739
what would happen if you got hit by that bullet?

explain to me why this wouldn't work

>>716480972
Are you moving with or against the cannonball?

>>716480748
>through it's momentum or something else?
Not through, it has momentum because of it. By the definition of momentum.

>>716464495
Correct, there is no force applied to the cock. It's your ass that is moving towards the cock at 1 million m/s.

>>716481089
So you agree that the cock is moving towards the ass at 1 million m/s.

>>716481010
I'm moving towards it with my own body at 60 mph

>>716480973
What is it supposed to do

>>716481167
Then you're taking the force a 60mph cannonball.

>>716481298
but the cannon ball isn't moving

>>716481518
Neither is the ground when you're finally getting thrown off a roof.

>>716470057
But are they stationary relative to each other? Wouldn't the walls of the test chamber move slightly due to the motion of the earth around them or tidal effects from the moon/sun or even from the player jumping (because chell is fat lol)? If they move even a single atom in any direction that immediately causes the issues you and chatgpt mentioned.

>>716470996
I keep telling people that if we were ever to actually manifest 2 portals in our reality, the universe would spontaneously and violently eradicate itself, since it would be like having 2 copies of the universe occupying the same space while simultaneously effecting each other infinitely

>>716464171 (OP)
Depends how portal physics work but I would assume pushing the portal down is displacing air into the orange portal pushing it at high speeds out blue the same way drag would work on a net so it would launch like B in the same way displacing the cube at high speeds shoving it into orange.

>>716481748
Good point, so portals directly connecting relative co-ordinates in space is functionally impossible without absurd levels of precision involved.

>>716481806
>tread discussing the workings of a wormhole
>HURR I WUNDER WAT DE ALIUMS ON DEY OTHER SIDE BE DOIN

>>716480958
>Relative momentum of the portals doesn't matter.
Indeed, what matters is the momentum of the portals relative to whatever goes through them.
>The world in stays still, the object stays still
That is blatantly not true. That is a subjective observation made on one side of the portal, but it does not hold on the other. The only consistent pespective is that of the portal, and in that one, anything that goes through it necessarily moves.
Again, momentum is not an intrinsic quality of objects, it exists relative to something else.

>>716481912
Are you okay?

>>716481806
Wormholes are theoretically possible and that doesn't happen. However, only possible assuming improbable negative mass is used to prevent the wormhole from closing.

>>716464171 (OP)
>I have to move a box to the second floor
>I drop an empty window frame around it
>It flies into the sky and disappears with a twinkle

>>716481975
Bfags will never recover again

>>716481956
>wormholes are theoretically possible
this is what sciencetards actually believe

>>716482028
Is this the part where you tell us the earth is flat, the sun and moon are small spheres and the sky above is the firmament?

>>716481975
Haha, yeah, wouldn't that be silly?

Of course, if you put a stationary portal besides it and drop the other one, it'd be a different story, due to the fundamental changes to the scenario this entails.

Just wanna hop in and say B is the correct answer because it's moving while exiting. All movement is relative, the cube was never "sitting still", so the idea that it needs a force applied to it is wrong. It's B because the cube maintains momentum while the world is thrown at it.
You may cope and seethe by calling me retarded (i'm actually very smart) but know that I will not read your replies. Have a good day.

>>716482113
Atards have literally argued this so why not
Specifically, they argue that the game world is a flat plane and the Moon is a skybox and so because the game doesn't really model orbital mechanics the Moon scene tells us nothing

>>716481130
Kinetic force isn't the same as potential force, retard.

>>716482274
Your bunghole won't appreciate the difference

>>716482183
The cube is sitting still on the platform. Once it touches the portal event horizon, you're applying infinite acceleration to it. The answer is B, but the interpretation of what happens in the image isn't extreme enough.

>>716482350
No, the cube does not experience acceleration as momentum is conserved locally. It exits the portal at the same relative speed it entered.

>>716464171 (OP)
A is not even logically consistent, and incompatible with basic geometry. Anyone who even thinks about it a little bit must realize the absurdities that A leads to.

Consider an observer standing next to the blue portal. You observe the cube moving to exit the portal but then it suddenly stops dead for no reason. The problem is this observer can physically interact with the cube, they can touch it, the atoms of their hand being in direct contact with the atoms in the cube. Explain to me how just the atoms in the cube suddenly stop dead when atoms directly in contact with them are not subject to this sudden change in velocity. What happens if you remove some atoms from the cube, what if you quickly pull off a chunk of the cube and run away with it. What defines the boundary between the cube and the rest of the local enviroment around the blue portal?

>>716481975
>Want to move box across the room
>Put it in bag
>Get to other side of room and empty bag
>Box teleports back to other side of room because it had no momentum
Portal physics sure aren't window frames but nice try.

>>716464495
There is no force. Portals don't apply forces to change the apparent motion of objects, you are thinking about the problem wrong. Imagine what the cube sees, it sees the orange portal moving toward it, and the entire universe on the other side moving too. The cube itself does not accelerate.

>>716482582
Moving the portal is the force. A car crashing into you is the force. You are forcing the box against the direction of the portal for it to even enter it.

>>716482582
Yes, and that is why it's B (the entire universe sees the cube moving towards it)

Imagine a cube on a platform. It is not in any way affixed to the platform. If the platform were to move upward with some velocity, the cube would as well. If the platform were to suddenly stop, the cube’s velocity would continue to carry it upward until gravity brings it back down to the platform. Do you agree with this?

>>716482312
Yes it will. Sitting on a dildo and having it stuffed inside are two complete different experiences. You wouldn't understand, faggot.

>>716482684
Now imagine the same setup except the platform is sticking out of a portal. Does anything change? Of course not. Because it doesn’t matter what’s happening on the other side of the portal if you can observe events occurring on this side.

>>716482274
>kinetic force
>potential force
Finish high school.

definitely B, A doesn't make sense

>>716482902
Oh man, I can't believe I made a fucking typo! You won

>>716482582
Imagine what the portal sees. It sees the cube coming towards it.

Everyone who thinks it's B is retarded beyond comprehension. Even if portals were real in our universe, they would act like a door frame. If you drop a door frame over some object, will the object fucking launch into the air? Retards.

>>716482979
>b fags will watch this and go yep that makes senses

>>716482979
>this is what Bfags ACTUALLY believe

>>716481975
>have to leave the room
> I stare at the door scared of what’s to come
>I hype myself up like my hero hulk hogan “ OK BROTHER LETS GET IT!!!”
>take one step through the door
> violently accelerate through the door, gaining all the momentum of the worlds spin
> slam into the wall, breaking my arm
> screaming in pain there’s only one more door to get through to leave my apartment
> crying and shitting myself I crawl to the apartment door
> hulk hogan would be so proud
> I open the final door
> I cross the threshold and I accelerate to speeds that no man should cross
> typing this from my phone while waiting for the world to stop spinning

Thanks B fags

>>716464979
fake, they glued the cube to the platform

>>716483094
Oh wow, I'd never heard that one before. Really gives me pause...

And now you also expect me to act like you haven't heard the trivial refutation a thousand times before?

>>716482776
we live in a cycle

>>716468620
Conservation of momentum is inherently local, however in space without portals it extends to apply at distance. Since portals don't exist, our entire intuition is built around conservation being global. However when you allow portals, conservation is reduced back to being a local effect. This is why portals cause people such problems, our intuition that was built on a world without portals breaks down.

>>716464171 (OP)
A makes no sense, for A to even be a thing the universe would have to observe it sitting in the middle of the portal on A as if it was still sitting on the platform which would mean the portal is just an observer of the universe and not actually displacing anything if you wanted to go that route.
And it wouldn't be affected by the gravity on B's side because it would still be affected by the gravity on A since it's not displacing anything aside from the exact position.

>>716464171 (OP)
how many times do we have to go through this you drooling retards?

>>716483178
Actually what happens in B is this:
>Step through the door
>Come through the other side at a walking pace

Meanwhile, in A:
>Confidently step throught the door
>Have my atoms compressed into infinity because I was not aligned with the objective momentum of the door

>>716483178
really clever but the problem here is that a door frame isn't a portal

>>716483284
This. Einstein was a hack fraud and probably jewish.

>>716464171 (OP)
If you can understand how the cube would move if the tabletop was small enough to make it through the portal, you understand it must be B.

>>716483284
Till you understand the mistake you made, so you tell me.

>>716483219
If you have heard this before and you still think it's B, then, well, my conclusion stands.

>>716483004
>thinks it's about the using the word force
>not that potential or kinetic energy were irrelevant to the question
Please pay more attention in school.

>>716483094
How is it a door frame when only one side of it moves while the other doesn't? It literally violates the rules of space and continuity.

>>716483284
Now what

>>716483425
I already said you won. I can't beat a non-argument no matter how hard I try.

>>716483338
If the tabletop was small enough to make it through the portal why isn’t it depicted in B?

Move the goal post more B fag

>>716483464
Hey, at least you got to show your lack of understanding basic physics. Consider that a win.

>>716483356
Again, are you going to pretend you don't know what I'm going to tell you in response? And if you have heard it before, and you still think your conclusion is valid, well then, you are not just retarded beyond comprehension but also dishonest.

We can only move forward if you admit that a hula hoop is crucially different from the scenario depicted in one crucial way. If you cannot do this, you either do not understand what you are talking about, or you are trolling, and either way you can be ignored.

>>716483441
Maybe it's because the portals are fiction? They still act like a door frame in the game.

nobody play portal lol

>>716483284
There's no difference on the left or right here, so why would the result be different? Speed is only a relative property, things do not have "speed" inherent to them in the physical world, only relative to other physical objects do they have speed.

>>716483590
All right, it's a door frame
Anything that comes out of a door is moving relative to the door.

>>716483545
>Consider that a win.
Thanks, I will. Next time put up a better fight.

>>716483590
It's not a door frame and acts nothing like it.

>>716483535
Because the original problem is about the tabletop being too big to make it through? What kind of question is this

>>716483459
B fags desperately moving the scenario to fit their narrative.

A Chads can’t stop winning.

>>716464171 (OP)
C
you cannot have portals on moving stuff
so this is a non issue

>>716483697
Earth is moving.

>>716478551
Actually, einsteinian relativity is going to cause portals serious issues. Portals pretty much need to be FTL to work. Also, Einstein did not invent the concept of relativity, there are older versions of the concept that work with the newtonian universe.

>>716483697
Everything is moving constantly.

>>716483574
You are obviously going to answer with some crap about relative momentum, and you are retarded for trying to apply the real laws of physics to the fictitious concept of portals. However, if we were discussing how this would work based on the implementation of portals in games, it would be A.

>>716483459
>Now what
Ta-da: >>716483689

>>716483636
You don't move relative to the hole you're moving in, you move relative to the world that the hole connects. And the world is still, just as the object in the image.

Portals break down matter and recreate them on the other side. There is no movement going on.

>>716483754
>FTL
There's no such thing as "faster than light", that is an oxymoron ... Light does not "travel" because light is not a physical object, light manifests instantly, it does manifest in the physical world with an apparent speed but that is only because it is translated into physicality.

>>716482979
lmao

>>716483650
Prepare yourself by watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJMYoj4hHqU

>>716483848
>You don't move relative
leave and get a refund for whatever university course you may have taken

>>716479847
They both violate physics. But A breaks reality far worse than B. At least B is logically consistent and compatible with basic geometry. A on the other hand leads to severe absurdities.

>>716483848
>You don't move relative to the hole you're moving in
This sentence is a paradox. Then you just don't move into the hole at all.

>>716483914
>B-retard can't read move than 5 words

>>716483848
>you move relative to the world

No you don't ... This is a childish mindset to have, the notion that there is a fixed "world" in relation to which we all move. Speed of a body is only apparent in relation to other bodies.

>>716483761
Wrong on all counts.
I am going to say that a hula hoop necessarily has both sides moving, and the very crux of the issue here is that one portal is not moving.
Relative momentum comes in later, once you can admit this basic fact.
The games literally depict B as well, and why wouldn't they? B is actually the only thing that makes logical sense.

>>716483356
Let’s walk through it then. If you want to (for whatever reason) treat the entrance and exit of a hoop as though they are separate things, you’ll find they behave much like two portals on opposite sides of a thin panel. In this situation, a box enters one end with some velocity relative to the entrance and leaves with the same velocity relative to the exit. In this situation, we see the same outcome.
However, portals allow for the entrance and exit portals to be oriented and move differently unlike a hoop. It’s how you can fall down off a ledge in the game and end up with horizontal or upward momentum.

>>716464171 (OP)
What A fags actually believe

>>716483848
>You don't move relative to the hole you're moving in
Dude lmao

>>716484028
don't bother

>>716483671
Because if you look>>716483459

This correctly depicts what B fags expect to happen - the moving portal is bigger and swallows the table, which WOULD keep the momentum.

However if you look at the OP pic again the moving portal is about the same size of the table, leading to the stopping of momentum when the table and moving platform collide, depicted here>>716465020

Basically B fags wrong but only because the depiction of the OP picture not presenting itself properly

>>716484057
>>716483979
>>716483958
Whavever, B retards simply can't think outside of real world physics when trying to justify a fucking portal. Lmao.

>>716484010
>the very crux of the issue here is that one portal is not moving.

Again, things do not have an inherent property of "motion" attached to them. Things move in relation to other things. If I were the only object in the universe, and I moved in this or that direction, how could you tell? You obviously couldn't tell, because there wouldn't be any other object for me to move in relation with.

>>716484193
>justify a fucking portal
This is not a question of wrong or right, there's no "justification" being done, I'm schooling you on basic physics.

On the board of coomers and shitposters and consolewar fags and whatnot these are honestly probably some of the most autistic threads around, it's always nothing but bitter faggots convinced they're objectively right about everything screeching at each other for 500 posts (assuming it doesn't get deleted) EVERY FUCKING THREAD EVERY FUCKING DAY.

>>716484193
We don't have to resort to real-world physics. B is predicated on logic. Logically, nothing else CAN happen.
But the case for A is "conservation of momentum" or whatever other half-remembered factoid from high school physics class you're basing this on. Your misunderstanding of "real world physics" is all you have.

>>716482776
As soon as the cube's center of gravity is through the portal, it's going to "fall" off the platform as in A. Not stick to the platform as Bfags like to claim or shoot into the air suddenly. Why do you fags consistently forget that the blue portal is on an angle?

>>716484231
I think in this example the guy would just be squeezed into a pulp, as if there were no portals at all.

>>716484308
The "basic physics" doesn't apply in this case, that is the point.

>>716484126
Anon, the point is that both show the same thing. If one keeps the momentum, the other would, too. There is literally no reason for the cube to stop.

>>716484193
Isn't the whole crux of the A argument just misremembering 3rd grade physics.

>>716484338
I'm not screeching at all, I'm calmly explaining how the physics would work out in this game if portals were possible in real life

>>716484126
What property of the tabletop making it through with the cube doesn't apply to just the cube on it's own?

>>716484356
>i cannot perceive breakfast

>>716484349
Okay, then go and drop a window frame on yourself and launch youself in space, because you will move relative to the door frame.

>>716484252
I'm trying to get this Afag to admit that portals aren't hula hoops, you have to start very basic with them

>>716484458
>"Gravity will not affect the cube until it's all the way through because I can't visualise this scenario in motion! If you disagree, you're a nigger!"
Nigger.

>>716484486
>Claims others can't think outside of real world physics
>Can only think in misrepresented and misunderstood real world physics
Projection at it's finest.

>>716484415

>>716465176

?

Mald and cope B fag

>>716484486
You absolutely will, yes.

Now, of course, if I could keep the window absolutely stationary whilst I drop it over me, we'd be in business. That's the part you're missing, see. That's the misunderstanding that leads you to repeat all these strawmen.

>>716484486
Why don't you create infinite energy with hoops?

>>716484450
>>716465176

The property of your mom gay lol

Get owned B fag

This portal is basically a 4rd dimensional hole in the 3rd dimensional world. It is definitely A, you just need to imagine how would it work.
Imagine a list of paper. It's a 2-dimensional world. You can only move on it in X and Y axis. Now, you in your 3rd dimensional world can bend the paper and create a hole in it, connecting two parts of the 2D world. This is basically a portal concept.
Now, what would happen with the imaginable 2D objects moving through such portal? Why would they gain / lose velocity, depending on if the portal moves?

>>716484791
>4D guy
How many years have you been at this now?

>>716483738
>>716483758
not in portal 1 or 2
or you could just build the map to test this crate thing
and we could be done with this nonsense thread

>>716484734
>>716484634
Back in my day we used to put effort into trolling ...

>>716484894
>not in portal 1 or 2
In the portal universe Earth is moving.

if b is true entering a portal would rip you to atoms

>>716484975
explain why and you can have a gold star sticker

>>716484791
The only problem is that "space" isn't 2D, and it isn't real either. Things do not exist inside of a medium called "Space", in the same way that figures exist on a piece of paper. It is not possible to "bend space", that is a trope from science fiction. This is also why wormholes are a fiction, and not possible in reality.

>>716484791
This isn't how it would work, and the flaw is actually precisely that you're trying to model portals in normal 3d space without using portals.

Let’s try something a little more simple.

>>716484791
>Why would they gain / lose velocity, depending on if the portal moves?
Why wouldn't they? If the portal moves the distance between object changes.

>>716484896
Back in your day you were still shitting in diapers kid.

People used to unironically type xD and rawr.

>>716485039
No you see space is a trampoline I saw it on TV!

>>716485039
It's not exactly a fiction, it's just you as a 3D world living creature find it hard to imagine, but theoretically it would work the same way in the 3d world, 4d or more. Theoretically there could be infinite amount of dimensions.

>>716484975
Actually option A requires the instantaneous complete deceleration of the cube, so if either of them is going to rip anyone to shreds it's A given a sufficiently fast speed of the portal

>>716485127
B here, A in OP, simple as

>>716485221
>Theoretically there could be infinite amount of dimensions.

No.

>>716485146
The portal moves in another dimension, not accessible for the 2d creatures, they only see the entrance and the exit.

>>716485276
I love walking through a door and being instantly vaporized and having to rebuild myself from the atoms left over every day.

>>716467393
>he's too retarded to understand what the anon said

>>716485338
What's the distance between the entrance and the exit? If you say 0 then portals change distances and moving portals even more so.

>>716485387
Yes, living in the A universe is hard

>>716484356
I had assumed the fucking speed lines in the original image were enough of a hint that the platform was moving with considerable speed. But sure. If it were moving at a snail’s pace then the cube would slide slightly rather than being launched.

>>716485285
So you went from saying a portal doesn't change the cubes momentum to saying it does?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUUN0W4_JY

>>716484975
If A was true driving a car would rip you to atoms. The portal is forcing the cube into it the same way a car forces you to move forward. As soon as either abruptly stop you keep that momentum.

>>716485285
Oh goodness Anon. You appear to have misunderstood. They’re the same scenario.

>>716485450
It depends if you measure the distance in the "real" world, or inside of the portal, in another dimension. In another dimension it would be definitely 0, as in the 2D paper world example.

>>716485492
>youtuber told me
Don't care

>>716484975
B would only rip you apart if you the portal suddenly moves differently as you're going through it. The scenario in the problem is the most safe as the plate is flush with the portal, so you're completely on the other side when it stops.

>>716485387
This might come as a shock Anon, but you are not the same atoms as when you were born. Your body constantly recycles itself, skin is shed, blood is made anew in the marrow, hair and nails are clipped and regrow. Nutrients from your food is used to constantly replace the atoms that make up your body. It's quite possible to imagine a portal system that breaks a person down completely, and rebuilds him out of different atoms in a different place, because that's essentially what your body is doing all the time, slowly, as an automatic process.

>you keep the momentum you had before you entered the portal
>your momentum is relative to the portal

>>716485492
>OP image: object stands still
>this image: object moves
>it's the same
Typical B retard

>>716485597
B retards would say A here

>>716485486
The image does leave much to be desired, should come with numbers to calculate trajectory after it passes through. Though I still think it's more likely that the cube gets fucked up as soon as it hits the event horizon of the portal than either A or B.

The real joke is this:

Afags just plain do not understand B. They have no idea why anyone would ever think it's B. They don't know why it's an option or where it even came from. They choose A by default, because it's the only option they can comprehend and whatever they don't understand has to be wrong. A just appeals to their common sense.
So when they see people say it's B, they figure this person is misunderstanding something, but they can't for the life of them imagine what the misunderstanding might even be. They can't address it, so they just flail around.

>>716485597
A because it's funnier.

>>716485780
Keep malding B fag A Chads will always win.

>>716485614
If your theory can't consistently account for different scenarios that seems like a flaw

>>716485748
What could possibly be happening in that scenario that would cause the cube to be “fucked up”?

The real joke is this:

Bfags just plain do not understand A. They have no idea why anyone would ever think it's A. They don't know why it's an option or where it even came from. They choose B by default, because it's the only option they can comprehend and whatever they don't understand has to be wrong. B just appeals to their common sense.
So when they see people say it's A, they figure this person is misunderstanding something, but they can't for the life of them imagine what the misunderstanding might even be. They can't address it, so they just flail around.

>>716485597
In this scenario the blue portal isn't moving and you're moving with the orange portal, if A was true you'd also be being violently sucked through it or one of you(You or the portal) would be violently moving against the other like the OP.
>>716485735
No A retards would say A here because they have momentum now. That's their whole argument is that the cube has no momentum while ignoring the momentum from the force it takes to shove the cube upwards lol.

>>716485780
Nah I don't think so, I think the A-fags in this thread are just trolling, like the guy above me who keeps saying "stay mad B fags" and "mald, cope" etc, other low effort buzzwords. Surely he can't really be this stupid

>>716485539
Why would it depend? Distance is just the length of the shortest path.

>>716465226
Do any of you retards understand anything?

>>716464979
/thread
and what I want to do to your daughter

B-retard stays on the street, doing nothing. An attack jet just flew over B retard. B retard suddenly started moving at 3000 km per hour, according to him.

>>716485547
He didn't tell me shit. I already knew what he has to say because its actually incredibly basic physics. But yes I am going to link an actual physics professor (not simply a youtuber) pointing out that a portal fling is literally changing a passing object's momentum.
>>716485614
You're trying to argue a consistency in what the portal does to the object. Whether the cube is moving or not (entirely down to reference frame being used) is immaterial when the portal is supposed to be doing the same thing to it regardless.

>>716485885
Can you debunk why this guy didn’t fly to the moon then? A chads will wait for your low IQ response

>>716465176

>>716485780
Nah, A-fags are just trolls and B-fags are just retards being baited because they're the type of idiots that believe themselves to be smarter than most people while being too stupid to properly explain anything.
No one is stupid enough to be an actual A-fag and engaging them

>>716485903
Because in another dimension you bend the space and connect two points of the space, creating a portal (hole) between them. But creatures that live in the space can only move in that space, they will see only the entrance and the exit somewhere.

>>716485878
But that's not true. It's plain to see exactly which misunderstandings lead to A. Thinking motion is absolute, or an intrinsic property of an object, or thinking one perspective is the objective truth, or just failing to visualise what it happening.

Both sides are not equal. B understands things. A doesn't.

>>716467047
All physicist would agree.

>>716485967
I can't believe all those people sucked into jet engines were just trolling.

>>716485885
I think it's a bit of both. They're frustrated at their inability to understand so they lash out in anger.

>>716484231
You would become a singularity

>>716464495
Afags eternally destroyed by this because they can't explain what happens when the cock makes contact with the afag

>>716486063
>connect two points of the space
They are now also connected in that space, which means the distance between them is...?

>>716485967
Relative to the jet? Yes.
Relative to the street? No.
Look up that word, "relative", if you do not understand.

>>716469181
>"not in motion"
Then how is it moving?

>>716486141
B fags constantly moving the goal posts and changing the depiction of what would happen because they can’t cope with losing an argument for once in their life.

>>716486179
Inside it's zero. Outside it depends where the space was connected, can be any distance

>>716486237
>confronted with a scenario that destroys his logic
>g-goalpost shifting!
I REALLY hope afags are trolling

>>716485858
Instantaneous acceleration or deceleration violates causality because it requires infinite energy, and infinity isn't a real world value, only a purely mathematical one, a placeholder from where our measurement model breaks down. Nothing is passing through the event horizon without some wild shit happened to the object even if infinity were a real value, and that's assuming that moving one end of the portal irrelative to the other doesn't instantly break the universe because light is passing through both ways. Matter rips apart at quantum scales because the electromagnetic bonds can't hold anything together during infinite acceleration, or it compresses into a singularity because infinite deceleration will fuse every form of matter.

>>716485387
All these years later and you retards still haven't worked it that the hula hoop is consistent with option B

>>716486237
>sorry, this spanner only works on left threaded nuts during the hanukkah at 4:30 AM

>>716486216
Okay, now you are getting it. Does the relative to the jet speed matters, or a speed relative to the street? Portal is a jet in that situation.

>B smrt, understan everything. A stupid, IMPOSSIBLE.
Yes yes you're very smart, genius even.

>>716486035
>being too stupid to properly explain anything
You can't make someone understand who's pretending to be retarded.
Anyway, I don't see how I'm "baited" if I'm just treating people like the idiots they pretend to be (or pretend to pretend to be). It's all the same to me.
>Ah oh no this guy made me feel immensely intellectually superior to him but he secretly thinks himself superior to me, joke's on me
Except I never even find out there is a joke?
If you want to feel intellectually superior to me then you have to come clean and admit that it's B but you were only pretending to be retarded.

A portal connecting two points in space and bringing those points into contact is the same as a hula hoop. I dont care that this doesn't make sense; ITS A HULA HOOP.

>>716486335
The cube experiences no acceleration though, it just looks like acceleration to you when you're not thinking with portals.

>>716486382
The portal is not, in fact, the jet, unless the jet crashes into me, in which case I would say it matters.

>>716464979
A-tards are ridiculous
Now have blue side facing sideways and try to explain how that physics would play out.
>cube would begin to fall but Atards would be forced to insist that it wouldnt gain any momentum from being pushed by the platform it was previously resting on

>>716486462
Part of properly explaining something is knowing when to give up. You can quickly catch on that someone is fucking with you.
Instead you feel the need to feel the retarded need to keep trying so that you can think you're the smartest person in the room and smell your own farts.
You retards will just keep going and going starting to confuse even yourselves because you start delving into shit you have 0 clue what it even means or is about.

>>716486445
See what I mean? You didn't bother trying to reverse it another time, because you can't. Because that would require you to actually know what you're talking about.

>>716486291
Look, if the distance between them is 0 in higher dimensions then must be the same point in space by definition. Then they are still the same point in lower dimensions, meaning the distance is 0 no matter what.

B fags will never EVER understand that the only real answer is A. It is A Chads duty and obligation to remind B fags why they are the nerds of the high school.

Admit you’re wrong B fags it’s not too late to see the light.

>>716485780
By far the most embarrassing thing about Afags is when you get ones who clearly like to think they understand physics. It's how you get a lot of focus on conservation laws (despite portals never being shown to abide by them) or anons like >>716484791 hyper focusing on the explanation of wormholes, but putting zero critical thinking into the actual consequences of what it is they are saying.

They're the ones who by far get the most upset when you keep pointing out the problems with their argument. And it's hard to think of those as the trolls. Because the trolls are the ones trying to upset you, not the other way around.

>>716486586
Jet couldn't hit you, remember you are moving at the incredible 3000 km per hour speed anyway

>>716486518
And therefore, B

>>716480645
momentum is added to it to. if the speed is higher than the material can take, it breaks.

>>716486668
It is the same point in 4D space. NOT in the 3D space. Just like on the graph, you can move along the X axis from -infinity to +infinity, but the Y axis can stay THE SAME.

>>716485597
objectively speaking, A

>>716486671
>>716465176

Can you explain this for me B fag?

>>716486636
You realise I don't care? I'm having fun.
>You retards will just keep going and going starting to confuse even yourselves because you start delving into shit you have 0 clue what it even means or is about.
I don't find any of this confusing, so I guess I really am your intellectual superior.

>>716486750
>It is the same point in 4D space. NOT in the 3D space
Not possible.

>>716486779
>>716486518

>>716486669
Wait, you want to call us the nerds at the same time that you insist we're wrong about maths, logic, and physics?

>>716469181
do you think newton's cradle is witchcraft because the end beads don't touch

>>716482979
He'd come out horizontally regardless.

>>716486782
>I don't care that's why I'm responding and putting all this effort in it's just so effortless for me because I'm so smart actually
*sniiiiiiiif*
Yeah I'm sure the guy talking about 4d space he saw on the history channel is also about to invent wormholes himself.

>>716486672
That's one way of saying "the jet is flying away from you".
So, again, not really a proper analogy for the portal here, is it?

>>716486035
This. But the threads are funny so I still post.

>>716486784
The points is a number of axis. You live in the [x, y, z] world. Imagine if there is a 4d dimension [x, y, z, w]. You can have multiple x ,y, z points, but in 4D world they would use a fourth axis. The fourth axis, the [w] will be the same in case of portals. Your welcome.

THE PORTAL MOVING IS THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE MOVING

>>716486896
Oh, no, he's clearly not, that's why he's an Afag

>>716486779
object's entrance velocity relative to entrance = object's exit velocity relative to exit

If you understood what I just said then you understand why that won't result in buster keaton launching in the air.

>>716486532
It is though, you're not thinking on small enough scales. The cube is a collection of atomic structures in a static, discrete region of space, and is then being pushed through discrete units of space as it hits the portal. That is where the acceleration/deceleration comes from, it's not a normal vector change is we commonly understand it, but an artifact caused by the portals linking two regions of spacetime that wouldn't normally be in contact. Moving through the portal that is in motion would force it to accelerate instantaneously.

>>716486779
Sure. It’s equivalent to one of the first puzzles in the actual game. See here >>716485127

>>716486953
And hence, B

>>716486981
No, no you're all actually really smart. It's actually really fun to sit here and argue with people clearly fucking with you.

>>716487021
Again, it *looks* like acceleration to you because you see the cube going from standing still in your frame of reference to moving in your frame of reference. However, from its own vantage point, as well as that of the portal, there is no acceleration or deceleration, only continuous motion.

What you are saying would also apply to the portals in the game and would make a simple portal fling impossible as immediately changing your direction would tear you apart.

>>716487101
Kinda is, yeah.

You don't seem to be having fun, though.

>>716486937
If the x,y,z coordinates of the portals are different then then their distance is not 0 in your higher dimensional space, i.e. there would be no instant travel between them.

Don't tell anyone, but every time I argue against the OP.
I'm neither A or B fag because I know portal doesn't exist in real life.
And I'm too smart to know that it couldn't exist.

>>716487220
Maybe I am, fun is relative. Just the idea of explaining something to someone 1000x and calling them a retard sounds like the type of fun someone who smells their own farts has.

>>716487354
Hoops, doors and window frames exist though.

>>716487156
Okay, I literally can't dumb down what I'm talking about any further than I have. I'd have to get you up to speed on everything we know about how the fabric of spacetime works and what happens when you move objects through it relative to other objects. Suffice to say, there is a minor spatial-temporal component here that neither Afags or Bfags stop to consider.

Think about this. We can observe time slippage from atomic clocks in LEO compared to atomic clocks on the surface. What the fuck do you think is going to happen when you send an object that is travelling through a slower timestream to a faster one? Or the reverse? Skipping all the intervening space between those two points? Answer, nothing good.

>>716487438
Hoops with a moving entrance but a stationary exit don't exist though.

>>716487369
So how many times are you still going to explain that to me when I'm clearly fucking with you?

See, that's how you do it, hook, line, and sinker, hoist by your own petard, I expose your hypocrisy and flawed character and then the jig is up

>>716487483
Yes and?

>>716487241
Yes, but "inside" part of the portals can only be calculated by the portals dimension axis.
And in case of portals it's 0 because the both portal axis are the same. The "outside" part yes, thr distance can vary.

>>716487457
It's gonna look weird to an outside observer but I reckon the cube will be fine

>>716471627
>Moon scene
>A
jesus christ Afags are special needs

>>716487438
>Hoops, doors and window frames are the same as portal
this is why I don't waste time with you idiots.

>>716487591
>Explain my viewpoint
>WOW I GOTCHU FOR EXPLAINING YOUR VIEWPOINT ONCE
>Literal anime protagonist syndrome
*sniiiiiiiiiiif*
I bet you're a psychology major.

>>716487659
It's gonna look more than weird anon. The moving portal is literally aging slower than the relatively stationary one simply because it is moving faster, again, relatively.

>>716487638
Can you define what you mean by "inside", "outside" and "portal's dimension axis"? Because what you are saying now is nonsense. Like two points on the same axis are actually always the same kind of nonsense.

>>716487716
They are though. They don't change your relative velocity.

>>716487796
>ONCE
Including this last post it's six times you've more or less just repeated the same thing.

You're also taking this way too seriously :^) you're trolling yourself at this point by continuing to engage even after I exposed you for a fool

>>716487834
Well yeah, to an outside observer. But not to itself.

>>716488075
I actually meant that their 4rd axis will be the same. The [x, y, z] will be different of course. The "inside" part is the length of the portals tunnel, and it's 0 in game.

>>716479847
>no energy was imparted
it moves through at a speed
it has mass
mass times acceleration=force

>>716488241
You're missing the implication of the moving portal. Because it's in motion, its destination is at a point slightly in the future.

>still writing fourd
faffot

>>716479905
i guess magnets are impossible because they attract things without touching

>>716487039
I’m going to show why you’re wrong.

>>716486987
This properly depicts what B fags want. The object ontop of a piston colliding with another object, which projects the smaller object through the portal because it’s carrying the momentum still.

>>716464171 (OP)
In this scenario the momentum is not coming from the piston with the object ontop. The object has no momentum, it’s stationary. When the piston on top slams down onto it, the object doesn’t move.

Can you fucking be any more wrong B fag?

>>716488191
Yes, once. It's the same thread daily with the same things in it every time. I've explained something different to you once. Surely you'll be the one to explain the same thing that's been explained 90 times in the same thread to these ignorant afags. You are the anime protagonist after all.

>>716488254
>The [x, y, z] will be different of course.
>The "inside" part is the length of the portals tunnel, and it's 0 in game.
You are contradicting yourself. If x,y,z are different then the distance between entrance and exit will be greater than 0 even in 4d. You do know you to calculate the distance between two points, right?

>>716488323
Yeah, it's really fascinating.

>>716488476
You think that's why I'm doing it? You're trying to convince me I'm wrong but you don't even see what I'm doing.
But keep at it, I'm sure I'll come around to your pint of view if you post another half dozen times, or maybe a couple dozen if that doesn't do the trick
I won't, of course, because you are being trolled

>>716488396
From the point of view of an observer of only the exit portal, the cube is moving as it exits the blue portal in both scenarios, this is because the cube is moving relative to the exit portal in both scenarios

>>716488396
In both scenarios, a cube will emerge from a portal at some rate. It does not matter how unless it’s somehow glued to its platform. When the platform meets the portal and stops in both scenarios, the cube has emerged from the portal at some speed. Why would the cube suddenly stop? What force counteracts that movement?

>>716488674
All I've done is explained I came here to call you mentally ill and tell you that you smell your own farts. And now you're acting like it's all part of your master plan lol.
Congrats you really got me lmao.

how do A fags argue against Sean Carroll?
https://youtu.be/07a3Q4earBI?si=3mEVuEjD3bSdZb66&t=60

>>716488882
So what did you think I've been doing

>>716489021
literally who

>>716488393
no but to attract things without imparting equal forces on themselves, as per newtons law, would be impossible. do you think you can just put a magnet in front of another magnet and have infinite motion? there are rules here.

>>716488836
Cube was never moving in the first place in the OP picture and had no momentum. It only slides out the exit portal due to it being slanted. In the 2nd picture the cube has the momentum and it carries that velocity through the portal.

How fucking brain dead do you have to be to not see the difference B fag

>>716483284
relative to the portal those setups are the same

>>716489024
What you came here to do in the first place.

>>716464495
This one image won the debate just because of all the seething lmao

>>716489129
How did the cube come out of the blue portal without moving? How did it change location?

>>716484894
>>716483697
>didn't play the game
neurotoxin plant

>>716486237
>but i did have breakfast

>>716471885
>tranime

>>716489141
Which is no different from what you're doing

: )

>>716490484
wrong thread kek

>>716490434
It is because I don't think I can explain it better than the 90 other people who already explained it previously in the same thread considering no ones explained this yet.
Unfortunately you're too stupid to recognize this part.

>>716488396
>The object has no momentum
Until the portal gives it momentum because that's literally all portals do

>>716489084
>afags clueless about figures in the world of academic physics
What a surprise.

>>716490697
The only difference, then, is the one you imagine so you can believe yourself better than me

>>716491000
It's a pretty big difference. Pretty obvious too, especially when I explained it earlier. Also you're starting to get to the part where you've lost the plot and are writing gibberish.

>>716491132
Ah, all part of your master plan, huh :^)

>>716491331
No, I never planned for you to act like a retard nor do I claim to. I'm just going to stonewall your attempts to act intellectually superior because it's funny to watch you crash out over it.

>>716491552
I don't need an idiot to acknowledge my superiority, because indeed, how could you? I'll leave you with this final affirmation of my demonstrable superiority, then.

>>716491818
Maybe you should try putting more smilies in your post so other people know you're not mad. But you don't need to bother showing other people you're not upset anymore because we're the only two fags left in the thread, wanna kiss?

>>716485878
> Bfags just plain do not understand A
True, but not even Afags understand A, because A is completely incoherent thus cannot be understood by anyone, since there nothing to understand.

>>716467551
imbecile

>>716492138
Well, there's understanding and there's understanding. Indeed, there is nothing to substantially understand about A, but you can understand that fact about it, as well as the precise intellectual deficiencies that lead people astray. So, in that sense, I "understand" A - I understand how they think it works, and why. But the opposite is, of course, not true. Every "refutation" of B is based on a strawman understanding of it.

>>716464171 (OP)
It's C.
It carries a slight amount of force, not enough to launch it like in B, but enough to make it go a bit further than in A. Forces from both sides of the portal are being applied to it in different amounts as it passes through.

>>716492409
It's because B is retarded. If I was standing there and blue was straight up and down I could still be standing on the platform on Blues side through oranges portal no matter how fast it comes at I will still be standing on the platform through the portal.
On a slant I'll probably fall over from which ever side I have more mass on to affect my gravity.

This thread is so full of tourists holy shit

Listen newfags. EVERYONE KNOWS ITS' A. It's so fucking obvious, we are not retarded

But people pretend that it's B to troll newfags. It's a very old /v/ tradition. This is why B (the troll answer) has so many gifs/graphs/memes while A (the obvious answer) has nothing

>>716493489
dumb aqua poster

>>716493421
See? You do not understand. You are unable to understand. But this fact frustrates you. And therefore you lash out.

>>716493489
Most obvious bait ITT

>>716493619
Where did I lash out aside from saying B is retarded? At what point do I get launched upwards if blue is straight up and down? If orange stops half way immediately do I just magically fly upwards through the portal? So why would it launch me at a slant or fully pressed down? I would just be standing there the whole time.
You can't answer this.

>>716493786
>Where did I lash out aside from where I did?
Indeed
>You can't answer this.
Such hubris.
>At what point do I get launched upwards if blue is straight up and down?
This already shows your misapprehension. There is no "point" where you get launched; what comes out of the portal continues its motion out of the portal. If your head is out, your head is moving. If your shoulders are out, your shoulders are moving. There is no binary switch from still to go.
>If orange stops half way immediately do I just magically fly upwards through the portal?
No, not magically. The instant deceleration would cause physical stresses on your body as your upper half is suddenly pulling on the lower half, whereas before they were in sync.
>So why would it launch me at a slant or fully pressed down?
For the reasons outlined above.

I suppose the joke is on me though because everything I just wrote went entirely over your head, didn't it?

>>716493054
Pretty bold claiming C like we’re not 300 posts deep into the same argument that buried that take months ago. Portal force differential isn’t a thing unless the portal mechanism arbitrarily breaks Newton's Third. The object's motion is preserved unless something acts on it-portals aren’t magical force dispensers. That's why it's A, always been A. You're just describing A plus vibes.

>>716493054
What the fuck kind of retarded compromise is this? What is it based on?

>>716493786
Asking questions about alternative scenarios that would work exactly the same for both answers as though they are supposed to illustrate some flaw in B makes it clear that you don't understand B. You should answer those questions for yourself before you are qualified to have an opinion. Just apply rate in equals rate out and you should be able to manage.

>>716494176
>No, not magically. The instant deceleration would cause physical stresses on your body as your upper half is suddenly pulling on the lower half, whereas before they were in sync.
If this were the case the act of going through the portal would rip whatever goes through it to shreds as every individual atom going through is ripped from your body. You're literally saying any part that goes through the portal is getting launched.

>I suppose the joke is on me though because everything I just wrote went entirely over your head, didn't it?
No the jokes on you because you're wrong. I'm not saying there's a binary switch from stop to go I'm saying at what point do my feet leave the platform as the portal somehow rips me from the ground.

>>716465020
This is more or less the correct answer, it's dependent on the speed of the portal, which is left undefined. Meaning both A and B are correct and incorrect.
But every retarded faggot in this thread is ignoring most of the physics being involved here, only thinking of forces from one side of the portal.

>>716494458
>If this were the case the act of going through the portal would rip whatever goes through it to shreds as every individual atom going through is ripped from your body.
Only if the portal accelerates/decelerates.
>I'm not saying there's a binary switch from stop to go I'm saying at what point do my feet leave the platform as the portal somehow rips me from the ground.
Ah, well, then. When your feet are all the way through. But that should've been obvious from what I've been telling you already, so it really did go over your head.

>>716494530
>both A and B are correct and incorrect.
you didn't understand the question being asked

>>716494530
"It depends on the speed" is just B, though.

>>716494663
Well then if you setup two portals one underneath and one above and were just floating there the top portal violently moving down an inch would infinitely violently pull you upwards.
You're saying the act of the portal accelerating which would mean you generate more acceleration by your body pulling you up through it as every part passes through is the force but in reality you're just standing there the whole time.
You're just generating energy where it shouldn't be.

>>716494458
If you are being serious, draw two points on opposite sides of the cube and think about if the distance between them over time when B happens. You can even just draw two frames and visually see that they never move away from each other.

Am I going to hell if I pretended it was B for many years just to troll people? Does this count as lying?

>>716494968
>Well then if you setup two portals one underneath and one above and were just floating there the top portal violently moving down an inch would infinitely violently pull you upwards.
No, it'd be as if someone tugged you by your cranium.
>You're saying the act of the portal accelerating which would mean you generate more acceleration by your body pulling you up through it as every part passes through is the force
No, I'm not. Your momentum would carry you through, yes, but you do not experience additional acceleration on top of that.
>but in reality you're just standing there the whole time.
This is just you affirming the consequent. Not an argument.
>You're just generating energy where it shouldn't be.
That can't be helped; portals just do that.

With every new post you continue to prove me right. You have no idea what I'm arguing.
>So you're saying...
Every time, the answer is "no" thus far

>>716495083
Yes, your intention was to lie even if the result was you telling the truth.

>>716495338
>That can't be helped; portals just do that.
So your whole argument is that portals just generate magical energy and ignore physics/logic/common sense?
Great, glad we're arguing the wrong answer for the sake of arguing.

>>716495472
It's very easy to violate conservation of energy even without moving portals, anon. You have to at least accept that in order to engage with this topic.

>>716495608
>Literally posting a troll logic image
lmao why don't you post the one where the car infinitely pulls itself with magnets too.
It's just obviously wrong physics and meant to be a gag. I'm starting to think you seriously believe this when it's gravity pulling the water and not the portals.

>>716494458
The shredding only happens if the entrance portal suddenly stops before all of the object is through. If 100% of the object is through, there's nothing holding it back to rip.

>>716496001
It starts pulling you upwards according to this as soon as you pass through. The other side is still and where your standing is still why would it launch you at any point. The space in the portal is moving not you.

>>716495472
Unless you happen to be doing A in a vacuum, you are also generating energy when the cube pushes are out of the way to make room for itself. If anything, A is even worse for conservation of energy since it is essentially a momentumless movement machine that lets you push things around for free. At least B's violation of conservation of energy is all contained in the portal. Even stationary portals in game will change energy if you go into a low portal and out of a higher one because of the rotation of the Earth and a different distance from the center of rotation.

>>716495965
>It's just obviously wrong physics
It's literally what you can do with a cube in the actual game, or even with yourself

>>716496185
Because gravity is pulling you down not the portal. If you do this in the game the portal being pushed into the cube also makes the cube slide off a wall instead of launching it.

Notice no one posts a webm from the actual game trying to explain B.

>>716496117
What? There' no double acceleration going on. During B, your feet are firmly against the platform as the portal goes around you.

>>716496446
The actual game has no situations where this can be shown. To show it you need to modify it and one can modify the game to show any outcome they like.

>>716496613
Yeah, so it doesn't launch you, your feet would be planted the whole time now you get it.
Like if you jumped before it reached the bottom you wouldn't fly through it just like if you stepped out before it finished you would just be planted the whole time. The platform you're standing on isn't moving.

>>716496446
>Because gravity is pulling you down not the portal.
Yes, and so portals allow you to add infinite potential energy (as well as every puzzle revolving around you using portals to instantaniously alter your velocity).
Everything B is supposed to violate, the games already did

>>716495472
>portals just generate magical energy
The portal device is explicitly powered by a miniature black hole

>>716496751
No, the platform is only relevant as the thing that stops the portal piston.
It would launch identically to if there was no platform to stop the piston (the experiment was done in empty space), and it would launch identically to if the platform was small enough to fit through the portal.

>>716479229
Thing is, the portal isn't just moving "a hole" through space.

It's moving the WHOLE DAMN UNIVERSE.

Which we don't understand. It would be like instantly imparting hsdhjkfjghshjjjjlgaslajshdklfjhillion amounts of power onto every quantum particle in existence immediately, causing jsahjlkjasflkjndfljbalskdjbflksjbflkasjbflkjasbdflkjbdflillion supernovas of explosions.

Instead, just play the game.

>>716497027
Maybe that's why the portals can't be moved in the game.

>>716497119
And GladOs says "speedy thing goes in speedy thing comes out" a resting box is not a "speedy thing"

>>716497537
>layman's terms
You don't have to pretend to be brain damaged just because the player character being talked down to is.

>>716497537
Nothing is allowed to "go in" that's not a "speedy thing".

>>716497692
Apparently most people need talked down to considering it's literally a paradox where both answers are technically correct depending on how it works.
There's a reason this shit doesn't exist in real life but retards tend to gravitate towards B because A requires thinking.

>>716482776
>Does anything change?
>Of course not.
>Because it doesn’t matter what’s happening
You've literally contradicted yourself.
You post an example of change during 1-sided physics (which is correct and we understand), then introduce 2-sided portal physics, claiming your previous example of change applies because nothing has changed.

Except that you introduced a new 2-sided portal physics. "But that doesn't matter."

>>716495083
Lying isn't a sin you go to hell for, despite what your parents told you

>>716497929
Those are very clearly on the same side of the portal, it's one-sided physics.

>>716497869
B requires more thought than you're capable of. And, in fact, A falls apart the more you think about it. You literally can't say A if you've devoted any thought to the topic.

>>716498327
It's an interesting philosophical conundrum though: if you believe something false but say the truth instead of your false belief, is it a lie?

>>716498376
B is the dumbasses response because
>IT GO IN FAST SHOULD COME OUT FAST
The whole thread is just doubling down on that knee jerk. If you can't see both sides you're probably retarded.
Again it's a famous paradox before the game came out and most actual physicists say A because it requires more thought. That's why they didn't allow portals to move in the game in the first place because of this.

>it's a famous paradox from before the game came out! It cant be solved!
lol wut

>>716498664
A is the dumbass response because
>IT'S NOT MOVING DURR
B is deceptively simple but the reasons why it's B can be hard to grasp. Evidently.
Also B would work fine in a game.

>>716498664
If A requires more thought because it doesn't make sense. The typical B poster has thought about A more than A defenders. You will not be able to link to a post that defends A using reason and logic rather than some misunderstanding of physics or just making up some new physics mechanics that exists only to make A the right answer with no consideration for any other interactions.

>>716499007
Or, more likely, some strawman of B ("and therefore A!")

>>716499007
>>716498997
Again retards because you can't even grasp how A could be correct. They're both right depending on how you view it I've said this multiple times and you're still declaring one right over the other while one of you is sitting there claiming I just can't understand B lol. Velocity is relative.

>>716499198
They're not both right. So you are wrong

>>716499198
Then link a post explaining how A could be correct to prove yourself.

>>716499318
Velocity is relative. You need a point of comparison. Having portals means you have multiple points of comparison which is why it's a paradox.
Imagine using your brain.

>>716499434
Still does not imply A though

>>716499434
Being able to measure relative velocity different through the portal doesn't create a scenario where A is correct when the movement that is a problem happens outside of the portal. It isn't possible for something to change positions without moving without introducing some new mechanic. Having issues with measurement doesn't suddenly mean that absolutely everything is possible.

>>716499434
Yes, you can say the cube is moving or stationary depending on how you measure. But in every way that is relevant to the problem, it is moving. You got as far as velocity being relative but failed to consider which velocity to measure when. And that is why B is the option requiring more thought.

>>716499198
A can never be correct if it has a different answer between >>716483226 and the original problem

>>716499835
It also can't be correct if it has the same answer tho lol