Thread 716466940

FF bros???

E33 will now have lengthy waits between patches with no content updates and constant ads about cashshop clothes that cost more than the real world physical equivalents.

Thank you Squeenix for your valuable contributions!

What's funny is that they're already working on FF17 and it's still gonna be action slop.

>>716467094
It wouldn't be the first time a FF was started, stopped, scrapped and restarted again.

>>716467158
Nah they already wasted enough money they don't have, can't stop now.

>>716467094
better than QTE spam parry slop in E33

>>716468173
No, in fact, everyone actually liked e33 instead of
>DMC but worse

>>716467094
Please explain to me why turn-based shit is more preferable/fun that real-time action?. Do you guys just like using Microsoft Excel?, or clicking through menus all the time?.

>>716468276
FFXVI had banger combat, the issue was the game was bloated to hell with cutscenes and you barely get to 'enjoy' the combat.

>>716468470
>FFXVI had banger combat,
The action game with one weapon, one character, one four-hit combo, and all skills on MMO cooldowns?

>>716466940 (OP)
The man enjoyed FF8 so much he created his own jrpg just to get to squeenix and ask them to make another FF8

>>716468421
Because that's what RPGs are, they're not about skill-based execution, they're about character building and planning for a dungeon dive or a battle. You may as well ask why people who want to play first person shooters are angry they got a farming simulator instead.

>>716468675
Turn-based JRPG slops don't have much more gameplay or nuance than a visual novel. Just a repetitive series of menu hoppings every battle. Even Skyrim is more involved than your average turn-based JRPG. They're exercises in tedium.

>>716466940 (OP)
Tifa will be barefoot in FF7: Part 3

>>716468919
You simply don't understand that the primary gameplay of a JRPG takes place outside the battle, and the battle is a test of how well you managed that gameplay. You don't actually understand what RPGs are, which is why you think Skyrim is worth anything more than shit.

E33 is a french nepobaby project and cucked to china immediately
This is just yet another story of a rich kid pretending to be a poor underdog spending money all over the place and pretending he earns his accolades

>>716469000
What the fuck are you talking about?. A game like FF7 is extremely basic. When not in "battle" you just wander around the overworld talking to NPCs, and maybe buying a few items and gear if necessary. There is no "test" of anything. Your character levels automatically, there is no stat distribution or customization to be had.

>>716469151
FF7 has materia. And yeah, FF7 is baby's first JRPG.

>>716469087
Get the fuck out of 4chan, Guillemot

>>716466940 (OP)
It's good to have a rich daddy that will finance your passion project.

>>716470487
It's good to have trust fund babies using their position to create kino like Expedition 33 instead of being useless faggots too.

>>716470549
>simping for rich people
good goy

E33 is overrated

>>716470740
If the rich person did something valuable with his riches, then there's no reason not to praise him. I bet if he paid for your neovagina you'd love him.

>>716467094
FF has been garbage since X.

Think I'm getting close to the end, having a really good time with it.

>>716470925
>he thinks this is the final dungeon
kek

>>716471392
He could've just made a good action game, souls-likes, monster hunters etc are giga popular right now. Problem is, he can't commit. FF16 is braindead easy even on the highest difficulty, so the action games fans don't find it engaging. Not to mention the absurd amounts of fetch quest filler between the good parts.

Who is Clair and why is she obscure

>>716471127
I'm playing blind for the most part. I'm only assuming I'm getting near the end from Trophy unlocks.

What I think is funny is I walk most of the bosses but Sirene was whipping my ass. I couldn't get the parry timing down for her one move where she calls the 8 dolls on you Knights of the Round style.

>>716471794
Clair is French for light and obscur is French for dark
light-dark is a painting technique more known as chiaroscuro in English speaking countries
Yes, the title itself is a spoiler, and retards still somehow pretend that act 3 reveal came out of nowhere

>>716471887
>Yes, the title itself is a spoiler
The whole premise of the game is that you're going after the PAINTRESS

>>716471871
I love Sirene. Her whole dungeon was a Leyndell moment for me, it left me in awe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuAW7e2Hrdg

>>716471871
I wish I was worse at the game because I barely got to experience Sirene's fight.

>>716466940 (OP)
>next FF is gonna be kinoslop/forced soul
We need to rewind the clock.

>>716472138
It is a really good area, The music is so good in this game which is crazy when you think about how many tracks are in this game.

>>716472173
I like to think I'm decent at games. Just couldn't get the Grand Ballet parry down. Ended up just tanking it every time she used it and just went all out on attacks

>>716471794
Lightning
She's obscure because no one played Lightning Returns :(

>>716472173
Stacking all the damage buffs and deleting a boss in 2 rounds is not being good at the game.

>>716467050
OP said FFbros not MMOtroons

>>716472327
You're still damage capped at Sirene, you fucking retard. Maelle hits for 9999 by the time you're at the Gestral Village and you can't break that limit until after the Monolith.

>>716468470
>bloated to hell with cutscenes
This is the problem with SE, they need to go back to FFX amount of cutscenes(limited by the DVD space back then). Or take cues from Capcom on how much cutscenes a game should have(based on all the RE and DMC games).

>>716468421
Yes, we love yugioh and mtg and pokemon. Look at FF16, doesn't even look like FF. FF7R has action combat but it sucks ass without auto cure materia since you have to babysit all party members, forcing your eyes to be glued to the three HP bars all the time instead of the cool action.

SE would save a ton of money if they just went back to turn based.

>>716472191
They won’t be working on FF.

Are we finally getting a good fucking turn BASED game again?

>haven't made a single good video game since square and enix merge, which was more than 20 fucking years ago
>somehow faggots still have wet dreams about a big comeback.

>>716466940 (OP)
It means Square wants to buy them.

>>716466940 (OP)
NOOOOOOOOOOOO how can Square betray us like this zoombros?

>>716474126
...

Imagine E33 with live action combat thats actually fun instead of slow repetitive parryslop

>>716466940 (OP)
From now until the end of time, every turn based rpg will have real time parry mechanics. God and i smiled, for it was good.

>>716474223
>Imagine E33 but shit

>>716474242
WUK LAMAT!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>716474247
Sounds awful. It’s fun for a while but it starts to hollow out other aspects and offers no replay value. Your stats and equipment are useless. There is no strategy. It takes away a lot of what makes rpgs fun.

>>716474247
Parry mechanic was never bad assuming it was done right. The reason it's hated is because it's usually done bad and rollsouls is largely to blame for it. Each time anyone points that out the discussion is shut down with git gud spam.

>>716474508
But in E33 you can completely negate the need to parry by building your characters properly. The RPG mechanics supercede the reaction commands.

etto... gomenasai...
*Cries*

>>716474508
>Your stats and equipment are useless. There is no strategy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poy6foApOrk

>>716474508
You are factually wrong.

>>716474605
>>716474671
The fact these are considered special challenges says it all. The core game is entirely built around the dodge-parry mechanic, let’s not pretend otherwise.

>>716474818
You get a pictos that gives you AP for taking hits like an hour into the fucking game, you retarded clown. You can build for VIT right out of the gate. There are weapons whose passives revolve around taking hits. You're simply a fucking moron who hasn't played the game.

>>716466940 (OP)
Pathetic that they need these devs

>>716474883
Just because you followed a special run guide doesn’t mean it’s a great system.

they're making a ff spinoff
screenshot this

>>716474605
>no 1 shot kill
literally 1 minute in to the video the guy gets destroyed by a stendhal

Nu-FF schizos will have a chip on their shoulder about E33 for the rest of their lives

>>716468421
Weird how no one calls board games spreadsheets, almost like there's a lot you can do with turn based gameplay

>>716474248
Imagine being so filtered you see any deviation from classic FF turn-based as "shit." E33 actually iterates the formula instead of rotting in 1997 nostalgia. It's not perfect, but at least it has ambition. The parry system’s just another layer - if you don’t like it, build around it. Classic gameplay still exists under the hood, you just don’t want to learn it.

>>716467094
Guess I'll recycle this meme in a few years.

>>716466940 (OP)
E33 is honestly more like HSR than FF. The whole "use normal attacks to build skill points" mechanic is HSR

>>716466940 (OP)
they (FF devs) did the same with the stellar blade devs. it doesnt mean anything.

>>716474126
>>716474164
I explain the huge failure of FF16 on pc because of the timed exclusive on ps5, if I have to wait one year, it's the same to wait for a 75% discount down the line. So I'm waiting. Having a mid game with no hype being an exclusive is a curse.

>>716478459
I blame the huge failure on squeenix moving away from their fans while completely failing to capture a new audience. 16 looked really boring, and I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if it weren't for the fact that 15 was also really boring.
They suck at action combat. They should stay in their lane.

>>716474883
>there is ONE build that lets you avoid this core mechanic so it is NOT a core mechanic
Shut up retard. Dodge/parry isn't a core mechanic in Yakuza 8 because it only nullifies like 10% of the damage, that's not important, that's a minor mechanic right there. Here it nullifies 100% of the damage. Yeah that's a core mechanic of the game.

>>716478759
>They suck at action combat
Stranger of paradise was great but their mismanagement of it sealed the fact that we won't get another one...

>>716478187
They're incomparable. Also, FF16 sucks.

>>716479770
Shit on 16 all you want, it's still a mainline FF.

lmao SE are so fucking hopeless they have to invite literal whos from France to teach them how to make jRPGs right

>>716474508
You are factually correct.

SQ are actually finished with DEI shit

>>716479879
I think they completely lost it since 13 versus was announced. Its very clear the company is full of gen-xers completely out of touch with reality, and they try to appeal the younger generation but in a cringy caricature way, but again gen X is very prone to senility for some reason in the creative sphere. I have a suspicion that all of these people performed better with tight budgets, schedules, and someone standing behind them slapping their heads when they do some stupid shit.
I genuinely believe gaming has too much freedom now, and they need the fear of tomorrow with limitations. If every retard can use unreal engine, then its a shitty game engine. The lower the entry level is the worse it is.

>>716471887
No, it doesn't spoil anything beyond that the conflict was between Aline and Renoir, and that without proper context, it does not mean anything. Maelle's fight with Verso at the end was very uncalled for and surprising.
However, if they decide to use the name as a title for anthology series, it would sound less catchy or meaningful than Final Fantasy or Fire Emblem.

>>716478187
control 1 nigga in a dmc game
vs
4 niggas with PS1 JRPG gameplay

>>716467094
Why the fuck would you want FF to go back to turn based?

>>716474126
Only actual gamers should make games. Not old farts or businessmen.

>>716466940 (OP)
>clair obscur 2 is the same game but now there are bars filling up and enemies will take their turns in the middle of yours
>FF 17 is going to be a proper JRPG with timed button presses for attack and defense, and no one is going to care that they already did that with SMRPG decades ago

>>716480910
Having turn based combat is just a budget choice, theres no reason to have it over action combat if you can afford it

>>716468982
>took me like half the game to finally make her put on some shoes and stop shoving her feet in the camera because I'm not playing anyone else as lead when I have breezy floating chick over everyone else stomping around

>>716466940 (OP)
Stellar Blade's director was at Square too. What is the big deal? It means nothing.

>>716468656
Isn’t E33 more comparable to FF10? I know 8 is his favourite, but the whole “doomed voyage to kill god and save the world” plotline is right out of 10’s playbook. I’d say the 8 influences more come through in the Dessandre drama and Renoir and Aline’s designs.

>>716481574
The E33 guys also visited Kojima. The usual schizos just latch onto anything to shitpost about FF.

>>716478187
FFXVI is barely a RPG, let alone a JRPG.

>>716466940 (OP)
The Clair Obscur devs just went to Square Enix as part of their victory march.

>>716482159
So is E33. You can beat the whole game just clicking attack as long as your dodgeslopping is perfect. That's a dodgesloppa

>>716468675
>they're not about skill-based execution, they're about character building and planning for a dungeon dive or a battle
Ironic post because E33 is in fact about skill-based execution

>>716482571
So much so that it makes party building completely redundant.
You just stack as much damage as possible, then add defense based on how shit you are and how little patience you have to learn attack timing.
If you're halfway decent, you just make everyone glass cannons and play rhythm games all the way to the end.
It's why people say it's a JRPG for people who hate JRPGs.

>>716467094
Because turn-niggers don't actually buy turn-based games. E33 is only popular for its story.

>>716483186
It's only popular because it's dodgesloppa and apparently everyone still loves dodgesloppa

>>716483518
>giant monster attacks
>push button
>zero damage
>dopamine levels go off the charts
I don't get it.

>>716483186
Story is important. I don't buy turn-based games just because they're turn-based. Metaphor was a boring slog with an uninteresting cast, story and world and Atlus has learned fuck-all in the past three decades.

I sincerely hope that the E33 team ignore everything that squeenix tells them.

>>716468421
It's more fun. I don't mind action games but FF16 was one of the most boring action RPGs I've ever played.

>>716474247
>every rpg will be darksouls, but easier
gay

>>716471776
I found FF16 to be pretty hard. At least early on. The game had a parry it expected you to rely on but enemy attacks were obnoxiously unintuitive and hard to read so I constantly took hits cause I couldn't actually tell what the enemy was doing and attacks came out of no where with no wind up.

>>716483186
>Metaphor out of nowhere

>>716467094
What actually matters is them not fucking up the story and creating something compelling for once.
7R (Rebirth especially) had the best combat system in FF in a long time yet the story being a mess really dragged it down.
E33 was parryslop, frankly not a fan of its combat at all with all the shitty delays but the story by itself made it more than worth playing.

>>716468470
Not that anon but FFXVI did NOT have banger combat. But it’s way more enjoyable than >>716468576 implies. It can have a nice flow and you do get to pick your own playstyle, but it IS basic as fuck.

>>716484920
I'm not that anon but I think he's right. I've played plenty of action games but 16s combat was so unfun that I couldn't even finish the game.

>>716466940 (OP)
>FF bros???
what's the problem?

>>716484920
As shit as 16 combat was, somehow E33 found a way to be even more shit by sidelining literally every mechanic except for the rhythm game with invisible notes

>>716484983
Where in the story did you drop the game?, me personally I was feeling just meh about it up until I got the third e ikon power and there were enough skills and powers to use that I didn’t need to just wait around for something else to come off cooldown. Another thing that helped it click with me was learning to use different skills and attacks to start and prolong air combos. They are considerably harder to pull off than in a game like DMC or Kingdom Hearts so they feel pretty good to execute.

>>716485432
Like 20 hours in, I can't even really remember where specifically I was at when I dropped it. I wasn't interested in the grimdark edgy story, the characters were boring and while the game did have some nice visually appealing set pieces that doesn't make up for how just boring the combat was. I hate the deflection that people not like 16 is just turnbased fags that didn't like the shift in direction. I like action games, I just think FF16 is a below average action game.

>>716474126
God I fucking hated the story in Yakuza 8.

>>716485843
But as a game it was way better than both e33 and 16

>>716485984
Contrarianism isn't substitute for a personality anon.

>>716485984
Never played 16, but I found E33 way more fun than Yakuza.

worst final fantasy I have played, not a single good character, MC is the embodiment of no personality, map is a tube, too many damn quick time events, "everything was just a dream" ending. I kept my hopes up for a long time thinking the game would eventually get good, then I was at the very final battle thinking there was no way that was all, I was barley level 40, turn out the game has a max level cap at 50 the first time you play it, it makes no sense. what the fuck!? I'm not playing this shit again.

>>716486681
I even question why this game has a level up system in the first place. Game is seriously an insult to the RPG genre.

>>716466940 (OP)
FF8 is the E33 dev's favorite game. They're going to remake it for SE.

This is what happens when you let social media dictate your habits.

I think everyone in this thread should be killed

After how shit FF16 was and how much FF7R butchered the story of a beloved classic. Does anyone have any faith in SE to make a good FF anymore?

>>716487034
Better them than Square Enix.

>>716472138
Same here. I was spellbound in a way I've haven't been in a videogame for a long time.

>>716490057
Always love these strawman images ignore the actual quality of the game. P3R is a shit game(well P3 is a shit game so naturally a remake of it would also be shit). The gameplay is worse than the other Persona games, it has the worst cast of characters of any Persona game and the story is not interesting in the slightest. E33 is one of the best games ever made and excels in basically every single area. No shit people praise it more.

>>716486681
>"everything was just a dream" ending.
What the fuck are you talking about

>>716487034
People don't actually believe this right?

>>716470549
>>716470487
They worked without pay and then went looking for funding like any poorfag would. Not from their parents.

>>716467094
>>716483186
Its been said before and I will said it again individual Turn Based JRPGs with massive amounts of momentum and prestige behind them have a soft cap of 10 million with most big titles in the sphere closing out between 3-5 million over their natural lifespan, which is a fuckton until you get to the size of a company like Square where despite them honestly loving 10 million from a game right now, its behind where they want to be, which is alongside the industry big dogs.
Want outstrips need

>>716485843
Hearing people shit on the Yakuza 8 story always scares me, because to me, Y7 was already so retarded that I didn't even think about playing 8.

>>716490929
Let me guess, you're a midwit that unironically cares about "muh suspension of disbelief" cause of "muh locker babies"?

>>716487034
I really hope this is true. I don't want SE touching anything after the dogshit ff7 "remake"

>>716490595
It’s really old shitpost when some retard seen the ending but didn’t understand it because they only seen the ending

>>716491056
The characters had no reason to do what they were doing and just went along with things because the plot demanded it. This was my main issue.
The straw that broke the camel's back was when they explained why your mentor shot you in the prologue.

I would never call you a midwit.

>>716491131
>just belive random posts on 4chan
Hey anon if you mix bleach and ammonia you get a really cool cleaner

>>716491250
Let me cope FAGGOT

>>716466940 (OP)
>One team will get dragged down
>The other will continue to learn absolutely nothing
Why even bother? For the publicity?

>how can we make our games gayer and more cringe?
>bring in the frenchfaggot redditors
bravo

>>716491665
Literally nothing will happen.

>>716491951
That's what I figure. Probably just cheap publicity to get fans on both sides to buy the next big game, that will either be of equal or lesser quality

>>716492139
Even less than that, it's just the E33 guys visiting Japan and getting the opportunity to meet some people they look up to.
They also went by Kojima's place yet I see no one speculating about that for a second.

>>716492507
Kojima is like, the revolving door of who's who
Jesus himself as depicted could manifest and do a photo op with kojima, and it might get 2 threads here

>>716491671
Your life must be miserable

>>716467158
it's not happened at cbu3 before because they're a whole studio built around doing the opposite of FFXIV1.0

>>716467094
>they're already working on FF17
As if they could afford it.
>>716479836
>it's still a mainline FF
like 15
Congratulations Barry you have produced a child

>>716492507
thank you anon for correcting the record

>>716484773
Unfortunately Rebirth will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

Considering the average FF fan is over 40, makes sense to go back to turn combat. Reflexes are getting bad.

>>716479836
Yeh and a shit game.

>>716470925
looks like weg characters

>>716485432
I almost dropped it around the time you go to Ash, around the time Jill gets kidnapped yet again. The game had started wearing thin a long time ago but I persevered. I took a month long break to must up the willpower to finish. The end and ending weren't worth it. The whole thing was an unfun waste of time.

>>716497936
That's probably why XVI despite being a full action game is probably the single easiest FF ever made. The geriatrics need to get to the finish line too.

>>716483875
have you considered that it just wasn't a good game and people only noticed that after the honeymoon phase

>>716500992
If that were true it would have reviewed poorly but it didn't meaning you're wrong.

>>716467094
FFXVI combat is superior to your retarded generic turn based niggergame with parryslop mechanics though

>>716501735
Nigger even fucking 15 has better action combat than 16 does.

>play FFXVI
>get gift item that turns the combat into FFXV one button press auto win.
why dot hey keep pandering to journalists?

>>716478459
16 has boring combat with damage sponge enemies and boring story with boring characters with boring aesthethics, I have no idea how Rebirth flopped though that game is the best ps5 game so far

>>716501735
Xvi is better than souls rollslop but still not good.

>>716503147
>I have no idea how Rebirth flopped though that game is the best ps5 game so far
It's a direct sequel, I bet most people who skipped the first didn't show up for this one.

>>716490057
In plebbit yes but Like a Dragon games have adult cast yet plebbit wasnt shilling those games, it's more like they dislike japanese culture cause they're fags

>>716503147
>>716503259
Not only is Rebirth a direct sequel it's also the 2nd part of a trilogy that doesn't have a 3rd game yet so people are waiting for the full release of the trilogy. Which is a shame cause Rebirth honestly is the best Final Fantasy product released since FFX.

>>716491056
>Ichiban is lame as fuck
>most stale implementation of turn based possible
>somehow more long-winded pointless dialogue than the previous Yakuza games
>nowhere near as funny as Yak 2 or 0

>>716504501
7 is by far the funniest Yakuza game

>>716503250
If that were true people would've shown up they didn't.
>>716504006
Ain't nobody waiting for this shit those people only existed for a few months after remake they're gone now

>>716504006
This is cope, everyone played one and got their fill. No one cares enough to come back for more now that we know it's an enshitified timeloop/multiverse storyline.

>>716504006
>the best Final Fantasy product released since FFX
not a high bar

>>716468470
>FFxvi had banger combat
Brother FFXVI didn't even have elemental damage. New weapons were literally just reskins but bigger number. It was fucking ass

>>716491131
I wonder what they would even do to mess up FFVIIIR? The plot was already weird with time fuckery.

>>716504006
oh shit didn't see the kike trying to lump Squares swan song with lazy poorly thought out commercialized trash KYS

>>716505096
Didn't ask tranny

>>716466940 (OP)
I know everyone here is memeing because it’s fun to kick SE when they’re down. But FF16 was unmitigated sewage and the sheer fact that anyone actually took that walking corpse of an RPG seriously is a testament to SE’s legacy. I don’t care if you faggots hate le parry, EX33 is everything I wanted a game like FF16 to be from its world to its itemization and RPG elements. I don’t even hate actionslop combat because I love the combat of the remake sega. But 16 was a poor man’s DMC pretending to be game of thrones before pulling off the mask. So yeah I hope the frogs show SE that they’re fucking gay and retarded for wasting my time with 16.

>>716505158
it's a tranny series you dumb faggot

>>716504984
Don't worry it's not on the cards for the next 10 years

>>716468470
16 had hanger combat if you’ve never played DMC. It’s good but it falls under the weight of literally every other problem that game has. Never in my life was I so disinterested in playing DLC for a Japanese but Yoshi-P somehow managed to make me not give a fuck any of the DLC for 16.

>>716468470
The combat might have been better had it not had a massive excess of hitstop and epic and cinematic camera pans and zooms whenever you use abilities. The flow of combat stopped so may times during encounters you may as well have been playing a turn-based game.

>>716505172
but you're on the same valueless level noone showed up still under 10mil units shipped and sold two three digit million budget titles in already while based on a name worth over 20mil units today so how is 16's failures making your own look good in any capacity
took a hit and turned it into a miss at least 16 is honest about it

>>716478187
Yeah this but unironically. Tell the Japs to make a good RPG instead of whatever slop 16 was.

>>716466940 (OP)
>>716466940 (OP)
oh wee wee we used your game ideas from the 2000's with someother classic rpgs

>>716504006
look im the biggest 7 fanboy you can find but no one is gonna play 200 hours of a remake just because it's now "finished"

>>716479452
Nigga that was a Team Ninja made game.

>>716467094
that ff17 gets moved to being a spin off and then they do there e33 rip off and ffx remake at the same time

>>716466940 (OP)
They also visited Kojima productions. How come nobody is talking about that?

>>716490869
what hackie slash not god of war has sold 10mil +

>>716504984
zack and cloud vs seth,gensis, angeal in some anime passing of the touch thing

>>716504006
I don't think thats it but it is the best FF game theyve made since X and thats a high bar

>>716506169
doesn't fit the narrative of whining about square enix, please understand

>>716506308
no Sephiroth just loses all the timelines merge into a single happy ending where every character breaks the fourth wall to directly explain to you why it's a happy ending when it's blatantly obvious as you might confuse a kiss or a handshake for the extinction of humanity

>>716506169
so who paid for it?
who paid for it is who benefits from it

>>716474126
>FF15 peaked at 16,355
Meanwhile Expedition 33 still has right now 19,800 playing on steam concurrently and with a peak of 22,287 within the last 24 hours.

Rebirth is better than E33 and I'm tired of pretending that this parryslop shit is somehow "oldschool"

If you want real SOVL check out this shit. Team made real dioramas for each town/stage. Hand painted with glass and felt etc

>>716507230
The amount of steam users 4xed since 15 came out

>>716507386
Meant to say FF16.

they're gonna be obtained by Square Enix as a side-team that works on their own flavour of FF titles
they're going to make FF great again

>>716507520
They're not, Kepler is their preferred publisher not SE.

>>716507613
And I'd prefer a solid gold toilet but we can't all get what we want

>>716501076
Reviewers gave it the okay because of the anti-racism message. No one actually believed it was a good game

>>716507696
non-sequitur

>>716509163
non-white

>>716510049
>t.

>>716510479
yes, I know you are

>>716507520
not a single person on this earth even the gooch in his prime even could reverse two and a half decades of disappointment, shame and a total disconnect with anyone under 40

>>716505795
EX33 made more money for Sandfall than Rebirth/16 made for SE combined.

>>716506439
Kojima sucks off anyone he thinks is interesting. The reason why the SE meetup is notable is because how often do you hear of foreign devs having personal time with SE?

>>716516610
nooooo it sold less over all vs those two so doesn't matter how much it cost to get us there we fucking won cope tranny

>>716516747
it really does say alot doesn't it doesn't mean 17 will return to it's roots or even exists or will ever exist and why keep pumping into a main entry series that hasn't turned a natural profit in over a decade

>>716470803
FF12 was a technical master piece, and still somewhat of a FF

>masons visit square
why tho?

>>716497873
7 Rebirth is probably the most critically panned game in this entire generation besides DK Bananza. There's not a single positive comment about it on this entire site.

>>716467050
>E33 will now have lengthy waits between patches with no content updates
it’s finished fool

>>716507303
>"check out this shit"
>doesn't name said shit
>leaves

>>716467050
(there is no content because the only thing i do is raidtrooning)

>>716468421
The real issue here is Square Enix refuse to make FF into good action games, so we're at the point people would rather they go back to something they nailed well (turn based)

>>716509163
non-stop cope from your side, lmao. nobody’s taking this thread seriously and you’re here arguing like it’s a dissertation. take a lap, bro.

Is E33 really that good? Or does it just get praise for being a jrpg made by white people?
>t. guy that has no real affinity or disdain for turn-based X niggas in a row games

>>716490774
>rich kid
>working for free
ok, he can go home to eat I guess.

>>716522936
mostly the second one
and a bunch of paid astroturfing

>>716468421
For the style of game Square does for FF it is better. Because the underlying design and pacing of the game is still that of a turned base one.
Compare the combat of VII remake and KH. Enemies are absolute damage sponges in VII remake. Sure they say it's because it serves the whole stagger bar gameplay, but I feel the underlying reason for that is because that is the only way to slow the pacing down so the hallway with ~5 battle areas before the next story beat or boss fight doesn't feel like you are zipping through chapters in 5 min..
KH just plays like a normal action game, weak mobs you tear through in waves. If VII remake played like that it would go from a 50 hour game to 20.
The most damning thing is how perfectly switching to turned based would work. They haven't changed anything with how they design things. VII remake could be switched over to XIII's battle system 1:1, no changes and be the same game aside from some of the minor positioning based mechanics in boss fights.

>>716513203
Yes you're Brown.

>>716468982
Rebirth already had a ton of feet fanservice.

square are niggerfaggots that don't learn from their mistakes
ff17 is going to be a disaster

>>716523198
Seethe. It's just good

>>716522936
It's very good, but it's not like it does anything new. It's not better than say, FFX, or even the FF7 remakes. It's mostly a hit because people have been wanting a game like it since FF went real time.

>>716487034
I wouldn't object desu

>>716467094
and its by the same tards that made 16, so prepare yourself for a boring open world, low depth of combat stretched for a 40 hour game.

>>716468421
I'll never understand people who write off turn based as an entire genre. Like there's so many different directions and styles that fall under "turn based" that you're just missing out on so many different games and surely ONE of those games is something you like.

>>716516747
>The reason why the SE meetup is notable is because how often do you hear of foreign devs having personal time with SE?
Last week when Stellar Blade's director hung out with them as well.

>>716522936
The story and presentation are really good, much better than any jrpg that came in recent years. Combat is whatever unless you love parryslop.

>>716471871
Yeah those ballet dancers are pure cancer. I've never parried the whole flight yet, just one or two. Verso scared me so I killed ballet dancers in Sirene's area for an hour or so and leveled to about 60, and Sirene was an afterthought. Oops.
Beaten it twice now, started NG+2 and just reached Esquie's Nest. GOD I love this game. Speedrunning a Lune nuke build (max crit > elemental trick > mayhem > Sky Break using Scaverim) so that won't take off until Act III, but even 100% crit > elemental trick > elemental genesis does mahassive damage.

>>716472138
Holy shit does Renoir love his wife. But it doesn't stop him from indirectly calling out her bullshit
>proud grief stricken queen rages wildly
>still finds her absolutely captivating, bewitching
>she's kind of self-absorbed

I hope to love something someday the way Renoir loves his wife and children. Goddamn

>>716469087
Dude shutup you cant just like reveal how filthy fucking rich the owners are.

Great, now we'll have another decade of Square-Enix thinking endings to games like FFXV and FFXVI are the way to go, all thanks to the chronically depressed French fucks who drank too much of the film noir kool-aid, like with Poland and Cyberpunk.

>>716526702
>story is really good
lol
lmao

>CTRL+F "Slop"
>17 results found

You guys aren't sending your best.

>>716469087
If nepotism produces works of art that the rest of us can enjoy then I don't mind it compared to nepotism that is just commercialized therapy sessions like what pixar shits out.

>>716466940 (OP)
>two dev teams reunite to discuss ideas and stuff
>the fans reaction is just shitposts after shitposts
i hate this industry, man

>>716525163
I love feet so much it's unreal

>>716522936
I really liked it. The art direction and music were incredible (Flying Waters holy shit), the characters were immediately engaging and likable, Esquie is a perfect cinnamon roll, the story was compelling, and I absolutely loved the gameplay. One day I'll get good enough at the Simon fight where I can win without using Maelle or Lune nukes. One day.

Easy 9/10 would recommend. Beset $50 I've spent in fucking ages.

I have my gripes with FFXVI but Clive is the only FF MC besides my WoL, Cecil and JACK that's not a bitch so I like it.

>>716522936
Its good, but its not THAT good

>>716522936
It deserves the praise it gets.
If you ever loved PS1 era FF games, than this will be a masterpiece.

>>716529517
>If you ever loved PS1 era FF games, than this will be a masterpiece.
It has nothing of the ps1 era FF games.

>>716468421
>Please explain to me why turn-based shit is more preferable/fun that real-time action?.
One simple answer: managing actions for companions in a more optimized way. AI we all know sucks ass, even with macros companions tend to do stupid stuff if left unattended. When baldurs gate 3 was being developed everyone were expecting it's failure due to it being turn-based. Turns out people loved it because you were able to do so many crazy shit with it when you are able to control everyone in your party. Having a lot of control on what you do lead to lots of fun, who would have thought?

>>716528859
We're an inherently bitter place and to be fair to us the fandom has been traumatized by how cruddy games have been of late that it's reasonable to be pessimistic to a degree

>>716529517
It reminds far more of FF10 or 13 overall.

>>716469087
I insist, if this is true, we are talking about one rare example of nepotism being a good thing.

I'm sentimentalfag, so I kind of wish there would have been an unlockable happy ending for E33. I just sucks that Maelle has to face a future in NotParis with a burned out shit throat and her mom still hating her for getting Verso killed.
>that ending waving goodbye to all the frens
GOD

>>716468421
In a real time situation you're flailing around unable to stop and take in the moment. It's a fast vs slow real time comparison but total wars with too fast gameplay means I never actually get to zoom in and look at the experience, soak it up. Instead I am just up sky high having to constantly manage a crisis and any time I am spending looking at the spectacle is time I am wasting by not handling another crisis or heading one off.

If I recall in my mind's eye playing xcom I can think of the tension of turn by turn. When I think of men of war which is a real time RTS with crazy levels of control (Down to first person mode) everything is so fast and chaotic that I am on an animalistic instinct level reactivity.

I don't like menu navigation which is why I didn't bother with JRPGs back in the day but I vastly prefer BG3 to BG1/Bg2 when it comes to combat.

>>716529665
you just described exactly why I really liked FFVIII and even FF7 remake series. Party management is really, really fun.

>>716529517
Damn, almost as good as Metaphor
>b-but user score
No one cares about your positive reviewbomb.

>>716529665
>One simple answer: managing actions for companions in a more optimized way

literally no other game does it better than remake and rebirth

>>716529665
>When baldurs gate 3 was being developed everyone were expecting it's failure due to it being turn-based
what the fuck are you talking about
why are you turn based fags acting like victims holy shit, you are not being persecuted

>>716466940 (OP)
It's over for Sandfall.

>>716530402
Yep. Kitase just convinced them to go full action based.

>>716530216
They made us wear yellow sand-clocks on our chests. And put us in camps where we had to play Call of Duty. The ones that were too slow and cautious they killed and turned into RGB led lights. I still remember what it said on the camp entrance
>Real time will set you free

>>716522936
It's like a 7/10 really. An interesting premise but the combat is a bit basic, parrying gets old, the characters are cardboard cutouts that mostly get no development and between the prologue and the final act fuck all happens. Like it's not the worst and i enjoyed it for a bit but it is absolutely being overhyped by stupid people

>>716522936
I like to shitpost about it a lot in these threads but being honest for a moment it really is quite good. A lot of love and attention went into it, which is a refreshing change from all of the mechanically extruded $70 entertainment product that it competes with.
You could say it has a certain... je ne sais quoi

>>716528272
I also like Elemental Genesis. Is it an efficient way to do DPS? No, there are better options. Is it a satisfying way to finish a fight? Absolutely.

>>716532306
Once you unlock Lune's level 3 Gradiant attack, you can drop a thermonuclear warhead that instagibs Simon on NG+5. It looks satisfying as fuck. Fuck that guy.

>>716530216
you have bad memory i can tell

>>716466940 (OP)
I'm a white man, I really don't have much going for myself in life, so when these Frenchies win GOTY at Keighley's game awards in a few months for revolutionizing turn based gaming and bringing it back and taking over the industry with 3.3 million sales, it's going to be the one good thing to happens to me this year, and that means something dammit. I just really hope more games start adding parries and stories that are on par with the works of Tolstoy. I'm not going to play them, I don't really play anything anymore since things got so difficult and depressing, but I hope they win so I can feel some joy for at least one day out of 365 this year, even if it's vicarious. And I really really really hope they don't hire any trannies or any black monkey after they win GOTY and hire more people for their next masterpiece.

>>716466940 (OP)
>dude what if
>final fantasy
>but you can parry
>WHOAAAAAAAOAOAOOA

>>716474605
>>716474671
>no shot
>not kill
>no a button
>only half b press
>half erect
>blue balls
>buttplug in
>vibrator on
>niple clamps
>gamecube controller
yup now it's real gaming time

Whatever Square does with the next FF I want them to stop trying to make summons happen, because it's not going to happen.
Every time they add a summoning mechanic in an FF and make an even big deal about them in The Lore than they did last time it's always some weird bolted-on thing that nobody asked for or cares about. I know that's a minor thing but still.

>>716533559
Thats not claiming it will flop.

>>716535014
Fuck are you talking about? Might as well say chocobos never work either.

>>716466940 (OP)
thank you for your service, yoshi-san
whenever you are ready

All I want square to tell the e33 devs is how to tone down the insanely intrusive BLOOM that shows up in nearly every level of the game.

My corneas are burning playing this game.

>>716535260
People use chocobos, nobody ever bothers with summons in any of the games other than X and maybe VIII if they're bad. I don't mean junctioning them or learning magic or whatever additional uses they have I mean actually using summon attacks in combat.
Can't speak to IX or XVI since I never played those.

>>716535390
please do use it, anon :)

>>716535567
Nope. Summons are great in 9, 12, 13 has some of the coolest ones and 16s are excellent kaiju battling gameplay.

>>716535567
The list of games where summons suck is much shorter than the list of games where theyre good. I actually cant think of a game where they are worse than okay.

>>716466940 (OP)
The frenchman reminding these corporate drone japs how to make turn based RPGs again. The absolute fucking state of Japanese companies.

>>716536139
Square made like 10 turn based games last year.

>>716536292
bubububub but its not muh final fantaseee :'((((

It's actually funny that the worst thing about E33 is the gameplay, everything else is pretty good, but the gameplay is just parry everything the game, it's fucking boring as shit

>>716533559
That's entirely fair, the first two games weren't turn-based, so why should the 3rd one be?

>>716497873
Truth nuke has been deployed. /thread

>>716468919
You never played a JRPG and are making shit up. You just don't like the anime art style.

>>716480840
3 niggas, do you retards even play games