FF bros???

>"creatively rich exchange of visions and ideas"

E33 will now have lengthy waits between patches with no content updates and constant ads about cashshop clothes that cost more than the real world physical equivalents.

Thank you Squeenix for your valuable contributions!

What's funny is that they're already working on FF17 and it's still gonna be action slop.

>>716467094
It wouldn't be the first time a FF was started, stopped, scrapped and restarted again.

>>716467158
Nah they already wasted enough money they don't have, can't stop now.

>>716467094
better than QTE spam parry slop in E33

>>716468173
No, in fact, everyone actually liked e33 instead of
>DMC but worse

>>716467094
Please explain to me why turn-based shit is more preferable/fun that real-time action?. Do you guys just like using Microsoft Excel?, or clicking through menus all the time?.

>>716468276
FFXVI had banger combat, the issue was the game was bloated to hell with cutscenes and you barely get to 'enjoy' the combat.

>>716468470
>FFXVI had banger combat,
The action game with one weapon, one character, one four-hit combo, and all skills on MMO cooldowns?

>>716466940 (OP)
The man enjoyed FF8 so much he created his own jrpg just to get to squeenix and ask them to make another FF8

>>716468421
Because that's what RPGs are, they're not about skill-based execution, they're about character building and planning for a dungeon dive or a battle. You may as well ask why people who want to play first person shooters are angry they got a farming simulator instead.

>>716468675
Turn-based JRPG slops don't have much more gameplay or nuance than a visual novel. Just a repetitive series of menu hoppings every battle. Even Skyrim is more involved than your average turn-based JRPG. They're exercises in tedium.

>>716466940 (OP)
Tifa will be barefoot in FF7: Part 3

>>716468919
You simply don't understand that the primary gameplay of a JRPG takes place outside the battle, and the battle is a test of how well you managed that gameplay. You don't actually understand what RPGs are, which is why you think Skyrim is worth anything more than shit.

E33 is a french nepobaby project and cucked to china immediately
This is just yet another story of a rich kid pretending to be a poor underdog spending money all over the place and pretending he earns his accolades

>>716469000
What the fuck are you talking about?. A game like FF7 is extremely basic. When not in "battle" you just wander around the overworld talking to NPCs, and maybe buying a few items and gear if necessary. There is no "test" of anything. Your character levels automatically, there is no stat distribution or customization to be had.

>>716469151
FF7 has materia. And yeah, FF7 is baby's first JRPG.

>>716469087
Get the fuck out of 4chan, Guillemot

>>716466940 (OP)
It's good to have a rich daddy that will finance your passion project.

>>716470487
It's good to have trust fund babies using their position to create kino like Expedition 33 instead of being useless faggots too.

>>716470549
>simping for rich people
good goy

E33 is overrated

>>716470740
If the rich person did something valuable with his riches, then there's no reason not to praise him. I bet if he paid for your neovagina you'd love him.

>>716467094
FF has been garbage since X.

Think I'm getting close to the end, having a really good time with it.

>>716470925
>he thinks this is the final dungeon
kek

>>716471392
He could've just made a good action game, souls-likes, monster hunters etc are giga popular right now. Problem is, he can't commit. FF16 is braindead easy even on the highest difficulty, so the action games fans don't find it engaging. Not to mention the absurd amounts of fetch quest filler between the good parts.

Who is Clair and why is she obscure

>>716471127
I'm playing blind for the most part. I'm only assuming I'm getting near the end from Trophy unlocks.

What I think is funny is I walk most of the bosses but Sirene was whipping my ass. I couldn't get the parry timing down for her one move where she calls the 8 dolls on you Knights of the Round style.

>>716471794
Clair is French for light and obscur is French for dark
light-dark is a painting technique more known as chiaroscuro in English speaking countries
Yes, the title itself is a spoiler, and retards still somehow pretend that act 3 reveal came out of nowhere

>>716471887
>Yes, the title itself is a spoiler
The whole premise of the game is that you're going after the PAINTRESS

>>716471871
I love Sirene. Her whole dungeon was a Leyndell moment for me, it left me in awe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuAW7e2Hrdg

>>716471871
I wish I was worse at the game because I barely got to experience Sirene's fight.

>>716466940 (OP)
>next FF is gonna be kinoslop/forced soul
We need to rewind the clock.

>>716472138
It is a really good area, The music is so good in this game which is crazy when you think about how many tracks are in this game.

>>716472173
I like to think I'm decent at games. Just couldn't get the Grand Ballet parry down. Ended up just tanking it every time she used it and just went all out on attacks

>>716471794
Lightning
She's obscure because no one played Lightning Returns :(

>>716472173
Stacking all the damage buffs and deleting a boss in 2 rounds is not being good at the game.

>>716467050
OP said FFbros not MMOtroons

>>716472327
You're still damage capped at Sirene, you fucking retard. Maelle hits for 9999 by the time you're at the Gestral Village and you can't break that limit until after the Monolith.

>>716468470
>bloated to hell with cutscenes
This is the problem with SE, they need to go back to FFX amount of cutscenes(limited by the DVD space back then). Or take cues from Capcom on how much cutscenes a game should have(based on all the RE and DMC games).

>>716468421
Yes, we love yugioh and mtg and pokemon. Look at FF16, doesn't even look like FF. FF7R has action combat but it sucks ass without auto cure materia since you have to babysit all party members, forcing your eyes to be glued to the three HP bars all the time instead of the cool action.

SE would save a ton of money if they just went back to turn based.

>>716472191
They won’t be working on FF.

Are we finally getting a good fucking turn BASED game again?

>haven't made a single good video game since square and enix merge, which was more than 20 fucking years ago
>somehow faggots still have wet dreams about a big comeback.

>>716466940 (OP)
It means Square wants to buy them.

>>716466940 (OP)
NOOOOOOOOOOOO how can Square betray us like this zoombros?

>>716474126
...

Imagine E33 with live action combat thats actually fun instead of slow repetitive parryslop

>>716466940 (OP)
From now until the end of time, every turn based rpg will have real time parry mechanics. God and i smiled, for it was good.

>>716474223
>Imagine E33 but shit

>>716474242
WUK LAMAT!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>716474247
Sounds awful. It’s fun for a while but it starts to hollow out other aspects and offers no replay value. Your stats and equipment are useless. There is no strategy. It takes away a lot of what makes rpgs fun.

>>716474247
Parry mechanic was never bad assuming it was done right. The reason it's hated is because it's usually done bad and rollsouls is largely to blame for it. Each time anyone points that out the discussion is shut down with git gud spam.

>>716474508
But in E33 you can completely negate the need to parry by building your characters properly. The RPG mechanics supercede the reaction commands.

etto... gomenasai...
*Cries*

>>716474508
>Your stats and equipment are useless. There is no strategy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Poy6foApOrk

>>716474508
You are factually wrong.

>>716474605
>>716474671
The fact these are considered special challenges says it all. The core game is entirely built around the dodge-parry mechanic, let’s not pretend otherwise.

>>716474818
You get a pictos that gives you AP for taking hits like an hour into the fucking game, you retarded clown. You can build for VIT right out of the gate. There are weapons whose passives revolve around taking hits. You're simply a fucking moron who hasn't played the game.

>>716466940 (OP)
Pathetic that they need these devs

>>716474883
Just because you followed a special run guide doesn’t mean it’s a great system.

they're making a ff spinoff
screenshot this

>>716474605
>no 1 shot kill
literally 1 minute in to the video the guy gets destroyed by a stendhal

Nu-FF schizos will have a chip on their shoulder about E33 for the rest of their lives

>>716468421
Weird how no one calls board games spreadsheets, almost like there's a lot you can do with turn based gameplay

>>716474248
Imagine being so filtered you see any deviation from classic FF turn-based as "shit." E33 actually iterates the formula instead of rotting in 1997 nostalgia. It's not perfect, but at least it has ambition. The parry system’s just another layer - if you don’t like it, build around it. Classic gameplay still exists under the hood, you just don’t want to learn it.

>>716467094
Guess I'll recycle this meme in a few years.

>>716466940 (OP)
E33 is honestly more like HSR than FF. The whole "use normal attacks to build skill points" mechanic is HSR

>>716466940 (OP)
they (FF devs) did the same with the stellar blade devs. it doesnt mean anything.

>>716474126
>>716474164
I explain the huge failure of FF16 on pc because of the timed exclusive on ps5, if I have to wait one year, it's the same to wait for a 75% discount down the line. So I'm waiting. Having a mid game with no hype being an exclusive is a curse.

>>716478459
I blame the huge failure on squeenix moving away from their fans while completely failing to capture a new audience. 16 looked really boring, and I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if it weren't for the fact that 15 was also really boring.
They suck at action combat. They should stay in their lane.

>>716474883
>there is ONE build that lets you avoid this core mechanic so it is NOT a core mechanic
Shut up retard. Dodge/parry isn't a core mechanic in Yakuza 8 because it only nullifies like 10% of the damage, that's not important, that's a minor mechanic right there. Here it nullifies 100% of the damage. Yeah that's a core mechanic of the game.

>>716478759
>They suck at action combat
Stranger of paradise was great but their mismanagement of it sealed the fact that we won't get another one...

>>716478187
They're incomparable. Also, FF16 sucks.

>>716479770
Shit on 16 all you want, it's still a mainline FF.

lmao SE are so fucking hopeless they have to invite literal whos from France to teach them how to make jRPGs right

>>716474508
You are factually correct.

SQ are actually finished with DEI shit

>>716479879
I think they completely lost it since 13 versus was announced. Its very clear the company is full of gen-xers completely out of touch with reality, and they try to appeal the younger generation but in a cringy caricature way, but again gen X is very prone to senility for some reason in the creative sphere. I have a suspicion that all of these people performed better with tight budgets, schedules, and someone standing behind them slapping their heads when they do some stupid shit.
I genuinely believe gaming has too much freedom now, and they need the fear of tomorrow with limitations. If every retard can use unreal engine, then its a shitty game engine. The lower the entry level is the worse it is.

>>716471887
No, it doesn't spoil anything beyond that the conflict was between Aline and Renoir, and that without proper context, it does not mean anything. Maelle's fight with Verso at the end was very uncalled for and surprising.
However, if they decide to use the name as a title for anthology series, it would sound less catchy or meaningful than Final Fantasy or Fire Emblem.

>>716478187
control 1 nigga in a dmc game
vs
4 niggas with PS1 JRPG gameplay

>>716467094
Why the fuck would you want FF to go back to turn based?

>>716474126
Only actual gamers should make games. Not old farts or businessmen.

>>716466940 (OP)
>clair obscur 2 is the same game but now there are bars filling up and enemies will take their turns in the middle of yours
>FF 17 is going to be a proper JRPG with timed button presses for attack and defense, and no one is going to care that they already did that with SMRPG decades ago

>>716480910
Having turn based combat is just a budget choice, theres no reason to have it over action combat if you can afford it

>>716468982
>took me like half the game to finally make her put on some shoes and stop shoving her feet in the camera because I'm not playing anyone else as lead when I have breezy floating chick over everyone else stomping around

>>716466940 (OP)
Stellar Blade's director was at Square too. What is the big deal? It means nothing.

>>716468656
Isn’t E33 more comparable to FF10? I know 8 is his favourite, but the whole “doomed voyage to kill god and save the world” plotline is right out of 10’s playbook. I’d say the 8 influences more come through in the Dessandre drama and Renoir and Aline’s designs.

>>716481574
The E33 guys also visited Kojima. The usual schizos just latch onto anything to shitpost about FF.

>>716478187
FFXVI is barely a RPG, let alone a JRPG.

>>716466940 (OP)
The Clair Obscur devs just went to Square Enix as part of their victory march.

>>716482159
So is E33. You can beat the whole game just clicking attack as long as your dodgeslopping is perfect. That's a dodgesloppa

>>716468675
>they're not about skill-based execution, they're about character building and planning for a dungeon dive or a battle
Ironic post because E33 is in fact about skill-based execution

>>716482571
So much so that it makes party building completely redundant.
You just stack as much damage as possible, then add defense based on how shit you are and how little patience you have to learn attack timing.
If you're halfway decent, you just make everyone glass cannons and play rhythm games all the way to the end.
It's why people say it's a JRPG for people who hate JRPGs.

>>716467094
Because turn-niggers don't actually buy turn-based games. E33 is only popular for its story.

>>716483186
It's only popular because it's dodgesloppa and apparently everyone still loves dodgesloppa

>>716483518
>giant monster attacks
>push button
>zero damage
>dopamine levels go off the charts
I don't get it.

>>716483186
Story is important. I don't buy turn-based games just because they're turn-based. Metaphor was a boring slog with an uninteresting cast, story and world and Atlus has learned fuck-all in the past three decades.

I sincerely hope that the E33 team ignore everything that squeenix tells them.

>>716468421
It's more fun. I don't mind action games but FF16 was one of the most boring action RPGs I've ever played.

>>716474247
>every rpg will be darksouls, but easier
gay

>>716471776
I found FF16 to be pretty hard. At least early on. The game had a parry it expected you to rely on but enemy attacks were obnoxiously unintuitive and hard to read so I constantly took hits cause I couldn't actually tell what the enemy was doing and attacks came out of no where with no wind up.

>>716483186
>Metaphor out of nowhere

>>716467094
What actually matters is them not fucking up the story and creating something compelling for once.
7R (Rebirth especially) had the best combat system in FF in a long time yet the story being a mess really dragged it down.
E33 was parryslop, frankly not a fan of its combat at all with all the shitty delays but the story by itself made it more than worth playing.

>>716468470
Not that anon but FFXVI did NOT have banger combat. But it’s way more enjoyable than >>716468576 implies. It can have a nice flow and you do get to pick your own playstyle, but it IS basic as fuck.

>>716484920
I'm not that anon but I think he's right. I've played plenty of action games but 16s combat was so unfun that I couldn't even finish the game.

>>716466940 (OP)
>FF bros???
what's the problem?

>>716484920
As shit as 16 combat was, somehow E33 found a way to be even more shit by sidelining literally every mechanic except for the rhythm game with invisible notes

>>716484983
Where in the story did you drop the game?, me personally I was feeling just meh about it up until I got the third e ikon power and there were enough skills and powers to use that I didn’t need to just wait around for something else to come off cooldown. Another thing that helped it click with me was learning to use different skills and attacks to start and prolong air combos. They are considerably harder to pull off than in a game like DMC or Kingdom Hearts so they feel pretty good to execute.

>>716485432
Like 20 hours in, I can't even really remember where specifically I was at when I dropped it. I wasn't interested in the grimdark edgy story, the characters were boring and while the game did have some nice visually appealing set pieces that doesn't make up for how just boring the combat was. I hate the deflection that people not like 16 is just turnbased fags that didn't like the shift in direction. I like action games, I just think FF16 is a below average action game.

>>716474126
God I fucking hated the story in Yakuza 8.

>>716485843
But as a game it was way better than both e33 and 16

>>716485984
Contrarianism isn't substitute for a personality anon.

>>716485984
Never played 16, but I found E33 way more fun than Yakuza.

worst final fantasy I have played, not a single good character, MC is the embodiment of no personality, map is a tube, too many damn quick time events, "everything was just a dream" ending. I kept my hopes up for a long time thinking the game would eventually get good, then I was at the very final battle thinking there was no way that was all, I was barley level 40, turn out the game has a max level cap at 50 the first time you play it, it makes no sense. what the fuck!? I'm not playing this shit again.

>>716486681
I even question why this game has a level up system in the first place. Game is seriously an insult to the RPG genre.

>>716466940 (OP)
FF8 is the E33 dev's favorite game. They're going to remake it for SE.

This is what happens when you let social media dictate your habits.

I think everyone in this thread should be killed

After how shit FF16 was and how much FF7R butchered the story of a beloved classic. Does anyone have any faith in SE to make a good FF anymore?

>>716487034
Better them than Square Enix.

>>716478187

>>716472138
Same here. I was spellbound in a way I've haven't been in a videogame for a long time.

>>716490057
Always love these strawman images ignore the actual quality of the game. P3R is a shit game(well P3 is a shit game so naturally a remake of it would also be shit). The gameplay is worse than the other Persona games, it has the worst cast of characters of any Persona game and the story is not interesting in the slightest. E33 is one of the best games ever made and excels in basically every single area. No shit people praise it more.

>>716486681
>"everything was just a dream" ending.
What the fuck are you talking about

>>716487034
People don't actually believe this right?

>>716470549
>>716470487
They worked without pay and then went looking for funding like any poorfag would. Not from their parents.

>>716467094
>>716483186
Its been said before and I will said it again individual Turn Based JRPGs with massive amounts of momentum and prestige behind them have a soft cap of 10 million with most big titles in the sphere closing out between 3-5 million over their natural lifespan, which is a fuckton until you get to the size of a company like Square where despite them honestly loving 10 million from a game right now, its behind where they want to be, which is alongside the industry big dogs.
Want outstrips need

>>716485843
Hearing people shit on the Yakuza 8 story always scares me, because to me, Y7 was already so retarded that I didn't even think about playing 8.

>>716490929
Let me guess, you're a midwit that unironically cares about "muh suspension of disbelief" cause of "muh locker babies"?

>>716487034
I really hope this is true. I don't want SE touching anything after the dogshit ff7 "remake"

>>716490595
It’s really old shitpost when some retard seen the ending but didn’t understand it because they only seen the ending

>>716491056
The characters had no reason to do what they were doing and just went along with things because the plot demanded it. This was my main issue.
The straw that broke the camel's back was when they explained why your mentor shot you in the prologue.

I would never call you a midwit.

>>716491131
>just belive random posts on 4chan
Hey anon if you mix bleach and ammonia you get a really cool cleaner

>>716491250
Let me cope FAGGOT

>>716466940 (OP)
>One team will get dragged down
>The other will continue to learn absolutely nothing
Why even bother? For the publicity?

>how can we make our games gayer and more cringe?
>bring in the frenchfaggot redditors
bravo

>>716491665
Literally nothing will happen.

>>716491951
That's what I figure. Probably just cheap publicity to get fans on both sides to buy the next big game, that will either be of equal or lesser quality

>>716492139
Even less than that, it's just the E33 guys visiting Japan and getting the opportunity to meet some people they look up to.
They also went by Kojima's place yet I see no one speculating about that for a second.

>>716492507
Kojima is like, the revolving door of who's who
Jesus himself as depicted could manifest and do a photo op with kojima, and it might get 2 threads here