Is Rimworld a good city builder game? Should I buy all the DlCs?

>>716467175 (OP)
beef tasty mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>716467175 (OP)
>city builder
no, get song of styx or something for a CITY builder. rimworld is a "tiny village builder" at best. it's a pretty good tiny village builder though.
>Should I buy all the DlCs?
>buy
probably not, but all of them add to the game in always-good ways, except the anomaly one which is more of something that you only activate if you're in the mood for it

damn, that's a really light cow.

The only one you shouldn't buy is Anomaly, it adds nothing to your game but downsides that wipe your colony and the shit it adds that's good isn't enough to justify spending 30% of your time micromanaging a SCP facility.

>hunger provoking image
>retarded question from someone who is pretending not to know what a torrent is

grain is for slaves

>>716467175 (OP)
Isn’t it better if the cow is only eating 2 people instead of 20

>>716467175 (OP)

if you only get 1kg of beef out of a cow your fucking retarded

>>716467449
You vill sacrifice 20 people to the man-eating wheat and you vill like it.

>>716467175 (OP)
One cow is hundreds of kgs of beef.
Lack of protein in diet seems to make people lack cognitive functions.
Also, grain causes diabetes and you will end up eating it more than 16kg as you are constantly hungry.

whats heavier? a kilogram of steel? or a kilogram of feathers?

>>716467175 (OP)
so he is saying with 16kg of beef you can feed more people than with 16kg of grain

>>716467175 (OP)
Does this account for the fact that the majority of grain is too coarse for human consumption?

>>716467175 (OP)
history is full of steppe animal herders conquering grain fed societies.
meat is good for the strength of the brain and body.

>>716467660
your mother

>>716467175 (OP)
> house-sized flat concrete pad:SLEEPS 60 PEOPLE
> A house: ONLY SLEEPS 4 PEOPLE
I get making a personal moral choice not to eat animals but I swear vegan diet must fuck with the brain because 100% of their non-moral arguments are retarded
Also Rimworld isn't a city builder, it's a camp simulator, there's a lot more focus on managing your individual people than a city builder which focuses on infrastructure and logistics
Kingdoms and Castles was a fun little city builder but I haven't played it in a while now, it was comfy though
>>716467321
How is Styx? I've been interested but I'm fairly certain I'm too stupid to play it.

>>716467679
Or the fact that cows can eat things that are inedible for humans, like grass.

>>716467175 (OP)
How's the nutrients?

>>716467546
>>716467373
16kg of wheat is needed to produce every 1kg of cow, retards. Its a conversion rate.

>>716467886
I don't get it, steel is heavier than feathers.

>>716467739
It's decent base with some potential, but it's plagued with design flaws and balance issues that are more or less exploit-level. It's way too easy to generate wealth and buy an army and conquer everything and anything. Sure, you could just ignore the armies, but they're so powerful they're objectively the best strategy, and ignoring them is basically a self-imposed challenge, making it poor design.

fuck off USDA

>>716467321
>except the anomaly one which is more of something that you only activate if you're in the mood for it
Poor anon doesn't know about the new best base defense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQT6Zxqp6Xw

>>716467886
except the actual ratio is 2:1 and the cow does things like make it into protein

>>716467961
So where did the bribe money come from for this retarded food pyramid scheme?

>>716467175 (OP)
We should send only grain to africa then.

>>716468149
That would just give them more energy to endlessly fuck and reproduce.

>>716467175 (OP)
Post your testosterone levels, vegan.

>>716467175 (OP)

>>716467175 (OP)
Can't live off of grain alone jackass.
I like Salads and shit. They taste nice but every time I've ate one I feel like I somehow managed to actually get less full and all I can think about is eating more.
So I completely understand why Vegans are so obnoxious about being vegans. They can't think of anything other than food so they have you constantly tell you about their food.

>>716468065
Big Grain

>>716467175 (OP)
>16kg grain feeds 20 people
>1kg beef feeds 2 people
>cow is 498kg
>cow feeds 996 people
checkmate vegans

>>716468243
Stop posting my gains online thanks

>>716468262
>only multiplying one side of the equation

F, please repeat 7th grade maths

>>716467175 (OP)
>cow only weighs 1kg
Are they feeding cow zygotes to people??

>>716467886
Meanwhile the cow is producing milk, that can be turned into cheese, and can feed off pastures not suitable for planting or in their rest periods.
Vegans, for all their talk about nature love, they sure do love destructive farming methods, where you absolutely destroy the land.

>>716468314
> 498kg divided by 16kg = 31.125
>31.125 times 20 = 622.5 people
checkmate vegans

>>716468404
Hint: a cow eats more than 16kg of grain during it's entire lifespan

>>716468462
dont matter 996 is more than 622

>>716467175 (OP)
Cows dont eat grain, they eat grass

>>716468394
You don't eat washed up dairy cows

>>716467175 (OP)
Setting aside nutrition, I hate this argument because I don't believe minmaxing the amount of human bodies the planet can support is a noble or even sane goal. Also Rimworld is a "colony sim" and more about the pawns (characters) than building.

>>716467175 (OP)
>ackshuelly you should go back to being a cud chewing peasant like in the old days goy, it's good for the environment or something!
No WEF fag, I don't think I will. Also the cow produces milk throughout its lifetime, and it's supposed to eat grass, not grain. The cow is actually a way of converting non-edible plants like grass into edible human food.

>this could feed so many children and you're wasting it on cows instead! >:(

>>716468394
If vegans were rational, they wouldn't be vegans.

if efficiency is the main goal and not quality of life let's just start killing the sick and elderly already

>>716467175 (OP)
so we're better off raising humans to eat as meat by feeding them grain?

>>716468462
Cows also eat grass and other plants that humans can't eat, so it's still a checkmate

>>716467175 (OP)
>cow weighs 1 kg

>>716468586
And the fatties.

>>716468601
takes too long for them to mature

Uhmazin
So if we make them equal weight. 16KG of beef can feed 32 people. 12 more than 16KG of grain
Thank you cow, you truly are the food of kings

>>716468586
They literally already do. Look up MAID.

>>716468663
nah chicken still mogs
I won't deny that a nice steak hits the spot but chicken is way more versatile in cooking

>>716468065
The US supports the grain industry to keep the farmland from being sold of for urban development to inflate housing prices and prop up the economy
it also does provide a massive food safety net, compare the price of basic foodstuffs in europe to the US it's insane how much more we have than them

>>716468586
don't forget about fatasses. 40% of the US is obese, that's over 100 million people who on average eat 50-100% more than they need, and that's just in one country. Also a ton of food gets wasted and thrown away all around the world, hunger anywhere hasn't been a production issue for a long timo
>>716468626
>cow is spherical

>>716467683
>history is full of steppe animal herders conquering grain fed societies.
So where are those steppe animal herders now?
What history full of is them terrorizing disorganized dirt farmers, but the moment someone taught those farmers how to build fortifications and run military, they just slowly took over all land from which nomads feed, and bodied them from it or forcing them to completely assimilate. Simply because farming produced orders of magnitude more food, and hence supports more population.
Not saying that one shouldn't eat meat, but farming produces orders of magnitude more meat as well.

>>716467175 (OP)
Im a T1 diabetic I cant really eat bread. Ide like to thank cows for cheese and meat that keeps me alive.

>>716468331
"1kg of Rocky Mountain Oysters" doesn't have quite the same ring to it

>>716468570
I kind of recently wondered, what is stopping us from just dropping a ton of pic related in the african dessert??? they pretty much grow everywhere, barely need any water to survive and you can eat both the red and green stuff, its literally the perfect plant to end hunger and mexicans got it everywhere since the thing can literally grow in the least expected places and not only survive but thrive and reproduce.

>>716468394
Dairy cows are a separate drain on global wheat production lmao. Cow pastures do not sustain the cattle production pipeline. At all. We use both pasture feeding AND wheat production at a massive loss in terms of scale and efficiency. I eat meat but you are absolutely deliberately blinding yourself to the logistics nightmare of modern farming to support your """side""" like a retarded nigger tribesman. Its embarrassing.

>>716467683
steppe niggers are weak
the best they can do is shitty raiding
if they were strong they wouldn't be steppe niggers in the first place, because they would've taken all the rich fertile land actual civilizations live on instead of living out a meagre existent out in the desolate steppes

I want to touch the cow.

>straight up a repost from /pol/

>>716468797
They assimilated, brought animal husbandry and ranching technology into civilization, and those skills combined with agriculture laid the foundation for every single successful society in modern human history
Balanced diet conquered the world

>>716468519
You're never going to believe where grain comes from.
>>716468586
We should start by killing any males over 25 who haven't successfully found a mate. If you're too stunted to socialize and integrate, I don't want you in the gene pool ever.

>>716468938
steppe niggers conquered the biggest land empire in history

>>716468938
>if they were strong they wouldn't be steppe niggers in the first place, because they would've taken all the rich fertile land actual civilizations live on instead of living out a meagre existent out in the desolate steppes
that's what they did, though. they took the rich fertile lands, lived there for generations and became soft, then were in turn conquered by other steppe peoples. do you legit know nothing about history?

>>716469052
And how long did that last? Barely a century. Because steppe niggers are gonna steppe nig.

>>716468938
>because they would've taken all the rich fertile land actual civilizations live on instead of living out a meagre existent out in the desolate steppes
that's what they did read a book

>>716468975
Surprise! Containment boards don't work!

>>716468876
they have prickly pears in Africa, that continent isn't a barren wasteland it's just that niggers are too dumb to manage it

>>716469108
>162 years is barely a century
Very semitic of you
Also if we go by your gay standards, Alexander the great did fucking nothing

>>716469008
What about women who haven't had children before 30? Not very efficient.

>>716468929
Now take into account that meat isn't the only thing we take from a dead cow.

>>716469052
Chink warring kingdoms aren't people

>>716469008
>giving women even more power by letting them choose who lives and dies

>>716467886
Eating the 16kg of wheat is not equal to 1kg of cow meat in terms of health benefits/muscle growth etc. It's misleading, and I doubt the retards who created it even know.

>>716468929
>We use both pasture feeding AND wheat production at a massive loss in terms of scale and efficiency
>source: my tranny ass

>>716468876
Africa is incredibly verdant. The core issue is not geographic, it's civilizational. See >>716469301

>>716467175 (OP)
Cows eat the otherwise inedible straw from grains and can drink water from resevoirs. They usually also graze grass from the fields.
Crops require a dedicated irrigation system that siphons fresh water from local communities and also causes sinkholes and droughts.
Overfarming also causes soil erosion, and requires soil amendment that is usually cow manure.

>>716467175 (OP)
Any animal that needs to be fed something that could be feeding humans instead should not be allowed to exist

>>716467175 (OP)
This is retarded because cows eat 90% to 100% of grass and the rest are usually things we can't eat like basedbean meal.

>>716468876
Africa has food, you can't "grow" water.

>>716469330
They'd have more children if we culled the social parasites and let the successful breeding stock have access to more than one woman.
>>716469445
Skill issue. Socialize better.

>>716468876
I presume you only mean the sahara
and the problem with that is that sahara has less consistent rainfall than the occasional microbursts of american deserts and is also large amounts of sand dunes rather than craggy soil

>>716469550
The fields used to grow their grass, as well as the pastures used to grow the cows themselves, could be used to produce human food. This is not rocket surgery and is NOT the failure point in vegan argumentation. You're just retarded.

>>716469008
>umm akshually wheat is a grass so like ummm

>>716470006
The pastures used to grow the cows themselves ARE used to produce human food, just at a lower yield for a higher quality product

>>716470006
Meat is way more nutritious than any plant, also a lot of farms are not suited for growing plants so it's better to put cattles instead.

Just have both. If you run out of space, conquer a country or stop growing.

>>716470006
Pasturing increases soil quality, growing grain decreases soil quality. Ideally you would alternate.

I dont care what horrible facts you throw at me i'm still going to eat meat
i'd eat the abused whales at seaworld if they would let me

>>716470006
>just destroy this grass field to create unsustainable grain fields

>>716467175 (OP)
>disgusting carbs vs delicious proteins
i know which one i'm taking

>>716470006
Except generally they can't
Grasses that can support cows can grow in shitty soil that couldn't in any way produce the crops that humans eat. Most cows are still grazed at least some of the time. There is very little farming to grow food to feed to food going on. This is a huge hole in your knowledge, please educate yourself sweety.

>>716470173
Good goy don't want to hear this. It doesn't matter if your body excels under meat consumption, you won't die immediately if you eat ze bugs. It doesn't matter if your psyche excels with personal property and a nuclear family, get in ze pod and own nothing, chud.

>>716467175 (OP)
>2 people
Not if 1 of those people is me! Ha ha ha!

>>716470340
The horrible fact is that if you didn't eat meat then cattle as a species would not exist
It's an issue of letting them live for a while then eating them or never letting them live at all

What is this thread

pork is the future, barely polutes at all, can be fed scraps, very easy to raise, high in protein and fat, delicious, lives anywhere as long as there is a mud pit to cool off, people have survived famines exclusively because they could raise enough pigs to eat

>>716468876
Africa's problem is unironically having too much food and too easy access to it. Basically they played the game on the easy mode and never got good. Why spec into learn term planning or delayed gratification when you live surrounded by abundance?

>>716470510
Oy vey, delete this antisemitic post!

>>716470396
Grains are grass you fucking retard.

>>716470473
You can eat 1 kg of beef by yourself? how? that's like 10 quarter pounder burgers wtf

>>716470473
LOL! Good one!

>>716467175 (OP)
no animal based protein means you are going to get sick and die early
I don't know why begans find this concept difficult

>>716468929
cattle mostly eat crops that are not edible for humans and shit out waste that fertilizes the ground by a huge amount, all the while meat has all nutrients we need versus plants that dont have many and b12 at all

braindead npcs retard, lmao

>>716470550
Lol
lmao

>>716468929
yeah as someone in the dairy industry who specifically works with pasture
you're wrong lol, you're not entirely wrong in that feed is necessary too, but if farmers were relying heavily on it they'd be completely fucked

>>716467546
>american education

>>716470607
I literally work at Oregon Beta Seed where we produce half the world's grain lmao. Corns are nutrient rich grasses. Feed and lawn grasses are different cultivars from the same family, and if you don't cut them down prematurely with livestock teeth or a lawnmower, they produce grains.

You are literally fucking retarded.

>>716467449

>>716470645
You literally fucking said what I said but threw in "ur wrong" because you're ideologically opposed to what you think I'm saying. Good Christ.

There are cows who subsist entirely on pastures. I've been in dairy and seed production my entire working life, I know. But pasture-raised cows would not feed this planet. It is physically not possible. We HAVE to distribute feed. Its what half of my Goddamn job is spent doing. Working logistics for seed and feed distribution globally. You people are actually so fucking retarded its exhausting.

>>716470602
>cattle mostly eat crops that are not edible for humans
Because we grow those crops for that purpose.

>and shit out waste that fertilizes the ground by a huge amount
Whilst true there is still a massive energy loss.

>all the while meat has all nutrients we need
Yeah, no. Of course a varied diet is better.

>>716470706
Yeah, sure buddy, you're definitely not a midwit with a bit of trivia trying to pretend you're smarter than you are by deliberately misinterpreting what everyone commonly understands as grain

>>716470006
>The fields used to grow their grass, as well as the pastures used to grow the cows themselves, could be used to produce human food
We legit already grow enough crops to feed the entire population of the planet many times over. We legit have so much corn we don't know what to do with it.

>>716467175 (OP)
humans aren't meant to procreate so much

>>716470706
>>716470849
Gonna samefag here and at least get this out of the way before I forget some more: Not opposed to meat. I just know the logistics of it and know the vegan argument there isn't entirely wrong.
>>716470864
>Yeah, no. Of course a varied diet is better.
This is my personal stance.

>>716470910
That horse has legitimate dwarfism

>>716470576
>no animal based protein means you are going to get sick and die early
Not even that, a grain only based diet is going to fuck you for a lot of reasons. Human's can't survive only on bread.

>>716467175 (OP)
Last I checked, we weren't in the middle of a famine. Not sure why we need to squeeze out every last bit of food off every arable acre of land.

>>716470910
It would be right, China totally doesn't have an embarrassing military history stretching back millenia.

>>716470913
>We legit have so much corn we don't know what to do with it.
I am very aware of the state of modern corn subsidies. I am part of the reason there's corn glue in your imitation crab.

efficiency for the sake of itself is not a desirable pursuit and bureaucrats who mistake it for one are the greatest threat to human wellbeing in the modern era

>>716467175 (OP)
It's all right. More of an ant farm kind of thing or a game where you watch disasters unfold. Pirate the DLCs if you want them.

>>716470979
The civilized world quaked under the hooves of nomad ponies.
They're not that fast, they are not that strong but they can hoof it for days.

>>716471084
Like can I just treat the game like Lemmings or endgame Sim City where I set them up in a colony and they suddenly get assblasted by some enemies or a natural disaster? And then start over again?

>>716470979
cough cough you'll have to forgive me, I'm a little horse

>>716471182
boooooooooo

Literally no one in a western country is starving

>>716471245
I am.

>>716467175 (OP)
cows can't eat grains. they die if they do.

>>716471267
For (You)'s? Eat up, big boy.

>>716471245
>>716471245
>>716471245
>>716471245

>>716468673
i did.
i can't believe they're sending young girls to butcher the ill

>>716469052
when did the steppe niggers conquer the british empire?

>>716469349
Notice how this went entirely ignored.

>>716471171
You'll have to do a lot of management at the start to get things set up before you can just sit around for a while and watch stupid things happen. And depending on what incidents happen, you'll have to give them orders anyway. You can set things up so that they'll make sure to have enough food, but you'll need to designate where farms are, what's being grown, and tell them to go hunt. If someone randomly joins, you'll have to make a place for them to sleep if you didn't already build extra space, because they won't construct any structures or furniture without being told to do so. In the case of enemies attacking, while they'll automatically fight back if enemies are in sight if they're set to, if you want them to prepare a defensive line or something you'll have to step in and assume command, though there's probably a mod to make it more automatic.
But once a colony is well-established, you can mostly just sit around and see what happens. You just have to keep in mind that a lot of more active actions like harvesting organs from prisoners, limb replacement surgery, and other things that aren't going to be everyday procedure will need your input.

>>716470473
that's anon, he's a bit of a cheeky one

>>716470510
>people have survived famines exclusively because they had food
incredible, wonder how they managed to do that

>>716471245
you shouldnt put the word literally in your imaginary retarded suppositions.

>>716467886
What if you fed the cow grass instead? Humans can't eat that!

a cow raped my wife and killed my dog, a grain would never do that

>>716471561
>>716469349
It's just propaganda for dairy farming.
By listing a vast amount of small items they can make it seem impressive how efficient the system is.
Most of these things are done because we just have an excess of cows sans meat.
Even if you can use the whole cow you still lose a tonne of energy in the process.

Also, not listed is how many cows we would need to effectively attain these items to a reasonable degree.

>>716471171
It's also worth mentioning that trying to force certain events can be amusing in its own way as well. I had a random guy walk in and declare himself a part of the colony, and apparently he was married to someone that was already a part of the colony thanks to the random generation of relations. However, he was utterly worthless and contributed nothing whatsoever. Banishing him would have worked, but everyone would have felt bad about it for weeks and it would have been boring to do that. So instead I set about trying to make him leave willingly via an extreme mental break. So I trapped him in a tiny room outdoors that wasn't given a proper roof, with no bed for him to sleep on, and only human corpses to eat. His clothes were mostly taken away, leaving him with just enough to prevent any kind of medical conditions from the cold, but not enough for him to not constantly feel ashamed about his nudity. He was constantly short on sleep, having a forced schedule of nothing but work, which consisted of running on a hamster wheel to generate electricity that was entirely wasted as it wasn't actually connected to anything, and about two hours of sleep a day. If, at any time, he had a mental break that was violent or destructive, he was beaten until he was calmed down. Despite the insane amount of abuse, it took him three extreme mental breaks that had him decide to leave to actually leave the colony, twice he walked halfway out and decided that being stuck in his rodent cage was better than being out in the world alone. Admittedly, it might have happened because he had so much time to reconsider his decision on his way out, as he was missing a leg which had been shot off while pacifying him once. But in the end he left of his own will and nobody felt bad at all. And most importantly, I had a good laugh.

>>716471797
if you add "for lack of food supply" it's objectively true
we make far more than we need and throw a third of it in the trash

>>716467175 (OP)
cows aren't fed human-edible grains, because it would be an absurd waste of money. they're mostly fed the chaff left over from human agriculture production; the stuff that would otherwise be thrown out.

why have land to plant or create cows when it can just be a dump for cockroaches breeding, eat ze bugs goy

>>716472026
>Even if you can use the whole cow you still lose a tonne of energy in the process.
What are the more energy efficient means of producing all of those byproducts?

Wanna see a new psyop?

Try googling "does protein concentration in muscle increase as you move up the food chain?"

>>716467546
a kg of cow is heavier than a kg of wheat

>>716467175 (OP)
There's a difference between feeding and nourishing.

>>716469540
the optimal food for cows is actually grass and not "grains". Grains is what they give cows to give them early onset hypothyroidism to make them get fatter faster.

>>716470405
Uncomfortable post, please delete!

I actually remember this picture on /pol/ one time and crunched the real numbers and while more "inefficient" (Not as much as the picture claims), the benefits of the beef outweighed that of just the pure grain so the point becomes somewhat moot.
That and based on the research that I did, the parts of the grain us humans cannot eat were given to the livestock since they could eat that, meaning that the 16kg of grain isn't accurate.

>>716467175 (OP)
in what world is an entire cow 1kg

>>716472183
I'm sorry, anon, I am only engaging with this argument on a high-concept level.
I don't know the answer to your question, but you are free to tell me why dairy cows are somehow the epitome of medicinal and material science for everything listed.

Also please include my other argument
>how many cows we would need to effectively attain these items to a reasonable degree
in your analysis.

>>716470849
>You literally fucking said what I said but threw in "ur wrong"
No I didn't you absolutely braindead retard. You said we use pasture and wheat at a MASSIVE LOSS
we do not, I don't know what backwards ass country you're from but WE don't do that

>>716472449
>I don't know the answer
Then sit down and shut up

>>716472449
>but you are free to tell me why dairy cows are somehow the epitome of medicinal and material science for everything listed.
I wouldn't do that because it's not the argument. The argument is that we get more than just meat or dairy from cows, we also get numerous byproducts from cows. You also don't seem to understand this but byproducts are byproducts and not the primary products.

>>716472449
I would eat this cow out.

>>716472149
The amount of roaches needed to regularly replace a meal will give you chitin poisoning. Nevermind the fact that despite the efforts of bug farms, living parasites still end up making it through to human consumption. Ze bugs isn't profitible and is already competing against food additives like bean pastes and preservitives. Also pigs provide more calories for less resources at a faster pace

>>716467175 (OP)
>1kg of beef feeds 2
FAT FUCK
FAT FUCK
FATTY FATTY NO MATES

>>716472604
this is a good fucking point lmao
1kg of beef mince is like 4-7 people's worth of meat depending on portions

>>716467175 (OP)
None of these faggots eat the kinds of grains animals eat. They want frufru high resource requirement vegetables and fruit. Go ahead and eat nothing but animal feed grain and get your nutrition deficiencies faggot, I'll have my meat.

What if we got rid of some humans so we didn't need as much food?

>>716467886
why does the cow need to eat wheat
can't it just eat grass

>>716472513
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

>>716472519
>we also get numerous byproducts from cows
I agree that this is the case, I'm just skeptical to how much more efficient this makes cattle farming, especially seeing it holistically.
You're the one who asked for specifics.

>>716467175 (OP)
So 1kg of beef gives me the strength of 20 vegans, or 2 normal people. Looks like I'm taking the beefpill.

>>716472819
Lead the way retard

>>716467565
>One cow is hundreds of kgs of beef.
Missed the arrow pointing from the grain to cow retard?
You're not going to get 'hundreds of kgs of beef' if you only feed your cow 16KG of grain idiot.
Ignoring the comparison part doesn't make you smart imbecile.

>>716472860
>You're not going to get 'hundreds of kgs of beef' if you only feed your cow 16KG of grain
works for me
skill issue

>>716468065
it's just correlated with subsidized crops

>>716467175 (OP)
not my problem when I can't eat most grain

>>716467175 (OP)
I want to see two people eat an entire cow.

>>716472845
No, I think we should start with africa and india actually.

>all these people seething at basic conversion
Do you not realize this is the same reason why we don't eat carnivores like dog, cat, wolf and such? Because it's too inefficient to add another level

>>716472839
It’s pretty easy to fight against a group of emaciated corpses

>>716467175 (OP)
First of all, numbers in this picture are wrong and deceptive
Secondly, we DON'T have a food problem. Extreme amounts of food are thrown away every year because we don't have enough demand for it.

>>716473130
We don't eat them because their meat sucks, efficiency has nothing to do with it

>>716467175 (OP)
I fixed your picture retarded vegan.

>>716473443
Based lmao

>>716468530
You do when you eat y McDonald's.

>>716471935
How did your wife rape herself?

>>716473474
>lmao
I mean I see cows on grass eating grass while I drive to work.
Vegans did not see a cow in their lives, veganism is bullshit that can only exist in late stage mouse utopia cities dwellers.

Rimworld?

>>716467175 (OP)
not so fast

>>716473520
It was ugly. You ever seen that bit in Fight Club where the guy makes everyone think the boss is beating the shit out of him? I don't really want to say more, I'd rather not even think about it honestly.

>>716472449
>cow girl
>clearly a heifer
city slicker

>>716467175 (OP)
It's indeed astonishing how these idiots can't understand that not everybody eats meat. How ironic that for their logic to work in this terrible example, everybody has to have a carnivore diet. Fucking idiots.

>>716474003
kek

>>716467886
Cow feed on grass like 3/4th of the time, grass and wheat that are fertilized by their own shit btw.

>>716474003
>1kg of just bee urself

>>716467683
Steppe peoples routinely lost to settled peoples throughout history with only a few notable exceptions.

>>716474003
NOT THE 1KG BEE

The weak should fear the strong.

>>716467175 (OP)
Just pirate shit bro

>>716474003
1kg of bee is a lot of bee holy shit

>>716473370
People have different tastes. I don't like wild fowl meat, but there's still plenty of people who will squat in a muddy hole for hours just to shoot and eat it.

>>716467886
cityfags * amerikeks are the worst
you don't feed grain to a cow, you feed it the straw
if you feed the grain, it will grow fat and bloated, that's what American farmers usually do to get a better price.

Why would anyone eat a cow fetus?

>>716474623
This goes beyond differing tastes, you're claiming that the reason we don't eat the meat of animals that raise themselves and just need to be shot is inefficiency when it isn't, it's that almost nobody wants that meat

>>716467886
So what are we supposed to do exactly, stop feeding cows entirely? Do the people who defend this "solution" know what free range is?

>>716474884
We should just leave them alone and they'll revert to being self-sufficient aurochs in 5-10 years tops

>>716472026
>By listing a vast amount of small items they can make it seem impressive how efficient the system is.
That's how efficiency is measured, yes. You can see an example of the exactsame thing happening in OPs picture.

>>716474317
Those 2 people need to eat the cow first to be strong enough

>>716468243
wow, cloverfield aged pretty badly

>>716474814
I don't think you understand the point I was making.

>>716468462
The whole point of using cattle is to turn inedible stuff into edible stuff.
A pig loves scraps and slop. Should we cut out the pigs out of our diets, and just consume the slop and waste ourselves?
Same with chickens, they turn bugs into fertilizer, eggs and chicken meat. Might as well cut that out of our diets as well, and just dig trough the ground ourselves to eat worms.

>>716472026
>vast amount of small items
>open pic
>literally let my eyes wander at random to a random item
>insulin
yeah sure, small items

>>716474982
Nah, you just start as a group eating one person and work your way down the line.

>>716475326
>Filename
Nah fuck you, stream it, if you are so great.

>>716475326
YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT

>>716475326
I don't remember when I saw the last Kung Pow edit...

>>716467175 (OP)
Herbivore club has apparently never heard of grass.

>>716467175 (OP)
those 2 people would kill those 20 people easily. thats why mongolians raped everyone. they ate horse meat while chinks were grain fed peasants.

>>716475587
Bunch of grade A morons

>>716474003

>>716475607
And not even good grain either, they only had sorghum until the empire reached southern China. You might as well boil one of those stupid fucking straw hats.

>>716467175 (OP)
Trannies are literally insane.
Cows are not fed grain with some exceptions. When you harvest grain the part that is edible of the wheat plant is only 1% of the plant. We eat that, 99% of the rest goes to the cow.
These retards are telling you that instead of using 100% of the plant and converting inedible straw into meat we should eat 1% of the plant and throw away the rest.

Raising cows is peak efficiency. Every vegan food we make produces several times more inedible waste that we can give to animals that we can then eat.
We wouldn't harvest wheat at all if not for cows.
No one could afford bread if we didn't give the inedible parts of the plant to cows.

Trans faggots are actually looking at hay bales and going ''yum yum, this could feed 20 humans instead of 1 cow!''

>>716467739
Songs of Syx is one of those games where you suck if you dont know what you're doing, but once you do you can just exploit and steamroll the game. At least that's what i can tell.

>>716467175 (OP)
>kg of beef
>only feeds two

fat

Why don't we make prisoners eat only vegan food?

>>716475326
I love you niggers.

>>716467175 (OP)
what kind of cow is just 1kg and why does the cow feed people?

you aren't supposed to turn grain into meat, that's what grass is for

>>716467175 (OP)
>excuse me, if the entire world ate only wheat and legumes, and then took vitamin supplements, we could feed 20 billion miserable slaves
We can feed the world NOW, the problem is transporting it to places that people shouldn't be to give it to them.

>>716476158
Why is the cow such a lazy fuck that he can only feed 2 people?
Grain is over there feeding 20 no problem but that fat bitch is acting like feeding 3 mouths is impossible.

>>716467379
I disagree, Anomaly adds unconventional threats that aren't handled like normal raids. Also what the fuck is 30% of your time doing managing the SCP, you need one or two self managing prisons unless you build them out of paper.

Definitely recommend ambient horror though.

>>716476249
To be fair, they do use corn in fattening lots.
Mostly because it's more calorie dense than grass and the US has a lot of subsidized corn so it's cheap.

Nah fuck you I'm not sharing my 1kg of beef with another asshole.

>>716470979
because he eats grain

>>716476519
fat

>>716476589
And don't you forget it!

>>716467175 (OP)
Make them eat the Grains. They will eventually die with Vitamin B deficiency.

>>716467175 (OP)
Those two people? All me.

>>716467379
>the only DLC I bought was Anomaly

>1kg of beef
>20 people
excuse me where is the energy conservation

>>716467175 (OP)
go eat your bugs, goy.

>>716467175 (OP)
>"let's feed people incomplete proteins instead of complete ones, surely nothing will go wrong with this"

>>716467175 (OP)
Cows eat grass. They turn plant matter we cannot digest into meat we can digest.
I know you posted this to bait this reply, but I HAD to post it.

>>716467175 (OP)
One cow produces just 1kg of beef

Uhhhh, video games, anyone?
In Lords of The Realm 2, I would always sell all the cows and just go for the grain, since cows would overpopulate and die, and grain just grows by itself non-stop.

>>716472204
I dinnae get it

>>716467683
>>716468797
There's also the part where the steppe niggers just.. settled down where they conquered too

>>716467175 (OP)
What if it's not an issue of not having enough food.
But rather of having too many mouths to feed?

>>716470979
War horses have short legs iirc

there's a balancing act with farming and herding
some soils you can't easily farm, you had to use crop rotation before fertilizer went mainstream
fertilizer relies on fossile fuel (methane + nitrogen or potassium that's mined) and will eventually run out or become economically unviable

>>716477453
sorry anon you might be retarded

>>716467175 (OP)
Anyone have tips on keeping my guys happy when I send them off in my gravship for loot and profit?

cow only eat failed products that get rejected from the mill
those grain wont be use for anything else cause people dont buy shitty breads
if vegan want to save the world
they should be eating shitty breads and eat funny looking potato

>>716467175 (OP)
Good.

>>716477948
vegans will only eat the highest quality avocados

>>716467886
You know how many kg of shit you need to grow one kg of wheat?
Just eat shit instead, anon.

>>716469445
Yes. Women ought to have Admin Rights to the Species.

Cows mostly eat grass and low tier onions now fucking wheat. It's too expensive to feed them that

>>716470418
>nuclear family
it is already the pod&bugs of families
the good one is MULTIGENERATIONAL HOUSEHOLD

>>716469771
>and let the successful breeding stock have access to more than one woman.
they already do
they just don't want uggos like you
go back to tea

>>716467175 (OP)
This is retarded. Cows are grazed on land where you cant grow wheat, and feeding grain to cows makes bad fatty meat.

>>716477424
you're right, we should be eating bugs instead, that's more efficient

>>716478209
but fatty meat is good no?
muh wagyu and all that shit
the butcher near me sell meat from free-range cows
and their meats are tougher than steel

>>716478130
>>716478209
Where does it say wheat you illiterate rats

>>716467886
So you're saying that I'm starving 16 vegans with each steak I eat

>>716478294
wagyu is good in small portions, but is terrible as a steak. maybe you just need to learn how to prep that meat

>>716468876
Mate, africa is not a wasteland. Nigs just didnt evolve because there was no need to because you couldn't throw a spear without killing some dumb game animal. It's why the continent has the most large preadators.

>>716478294
Wagyu is considered good because of the particular distribution of fat, not just the fat content and grass fed cows store a better quality of fat than grain fed

.

>>716478331
There is an image of wheat. I don't read, nerd

>>716467886
Bread alone will non sustain you. You transfag

>>716475326

>>716470418
>eat ze bugs
oh yeah what happened to that narrative?
I guess they gave up on it?
they were pushing this so hard couple of years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_8LTUmHWP0

>>716478448
>source: the beef industry

>>716467660
But steel is 'eavier than feathers.

>>716468036
>actual ratio is 2:1
Source: it was revealed to me in a dream

>>716478608
>they were pushing this so hard couple of years ago
I didn't hear anyone pushing it
I heard a lot of people pretending that they were though

WEF shitskins btfo.

>>716468257
Can't live with plain beef either, retard.

>>716467886
ah yes settlers brought over these giant food sinkholes because theres no other benefit for having a cow. People kill each other over a cow because steak and a burger is just so damn good mmm m mmm mmmmmmmmmm

>>716475491
I could stream that movie…
if I felt like it

>>716478719
What do you think you are some kind of jew to gaslight people like that?
your jewish mind trickery does nothing here

>>716467886
That shit never made sense as a comparison, total brainlet shit.
>cows can eat a lot more than just grain, including shit completely inedible to humans, like the parts of the grain that we don't need
>cows provide a fuckload more nutrients than grain does
>eating only grain is a quick way to get fat AND unhealthy because it's almost completely just carbs
>cows produce more than just meat, and are used for things like milk (and all dairy products), gelatin, off-cuts for feeding other animals, bones for various uses, skin for leather, etc. (I only just realized someone posted >>716469349, oof)
>grain requires a lot of heavy machinery and other shit to water, protect against pests, fertilize, maintain, harvest and process to any edible form at any kind of scale
Also reminds me a lot of the "X calories of broccoli vs X calories of beef" thing showing all the nutrients you get in comparison, and how they'll show a steak for the beef and a nondescript plate of broccoli, when IRL it'd be a steak vs like, a whole-ass bucket of broccoli.

>>716467175 (OP)
Only buy the specific DLCs that interest you specifically.
Also:
>feeds 20 people
Keyword: "feeds".
Survival only. You can live your entire life off different meats (though you can't be picky) and water, you can't live your whole life off water and grain, even if you factor in the more niche grains.
The comparison only works if you're in a country where starvation is common. Fuck "herbivores".

>>716467676
You need 256kg of grain to produce 16kg of beef. Enpugh to feed 320 people.

>>716478869
t. Beef industry jew

>>716478871
>t. Big Cow
Just eat chicken.

>>716477667
There are all sorts of different horse breeds.

>>716478875
Cows, are not feed grain, retard, they just get feed grass and shit like this >>716468570
If you are too retarded to understand it, read this.
>Crops being farmed
>Human-edible part of the crop goes for human comsumption
>Non human-edible goes for animals
>Nothing is wasted.

well actually its more efficient to grind dextrous earth into paste and mix it with farmed cockroach powder, so thats what everybody should be doing right now instead of wasting resources on growing wheat, herbichud

>>716467175 (OP)
You can't live on grain alone

>>716478978
>>Nothing is wasted.
Do you really expect people to believe that?

>>716479072
But you can live on plants alone

>>716467175 (OP)
yeah but two beef-fed steppe nomads can wipe the floor with twenty grain-fed peasants.

>>716479127
After annihilating that environment to mass produce those plants, sure.

>>716479093
Counter-argument it then?

I'm thankfull vegantards will never learn the difference in importance between carbohydrates, plant-based protein and animal protein

Clearly we need to genocide all carnivores, omnivores, ruminants, and trees to satisfy vegcucks. Anything else is wasteful and not efficient and that’s evil.

>>716479160
which they already do to feed livestock, except now less will be needed. You dopey prick

>>716479160
and then you die from malnutrition because humans actually can't live on plants alone
reminder that vegans kill their kids in barely 5 years after they're born when attempting a vegan diet early on

>>716468036
16 kg of wheat has 2kg of protein.
1kg of beef has 0.25kg of protein.

Raising cows is just inefficient use of resources, and its only done for the same reason sports cars are done, and luxury suits are done - because wasteful dipshits want to status-masturbate.

>>716479171
Evidence first, Ivan

>>716479262
>>716478978
>>Crops being farmed
>>Human-edible part of the crop goes for human comsumption
>>Non human-edible goes for animals
Where is the waste?

>>716478978
>Cows, are not feed grain, retard, they just get feed grass and shit like this >>716468570 (hay)
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Why do you insist on posting on issues you have zero familiarity with? Its not mandatory to post in every thread. You could just skip this conversation. Nobody will know.

Protip: cows are fed onions and grains and cow remains ground into a powder and mixed with water

I actually think we need to eat less meat (or at least beef) and that price for meat should rise. But holy hell vegans are retarded

>>716479312
Where is the proof that this is what happens 100% of the time?

Anyone against cows is just some shitskin. Call them a slur and move on. They don’t get to decide what humans do in our lands.

I'll probably be called a bitch but I can't really eat animal stuff anymore without thinking about all the slaughterhouse and factory farming videos I've seen and getting upset. I'm also a bit shit at grocery shopping so its hard for me to tell whats actually from like a proper cruelty-free farm or whats trying to blow smoke up my ass, so I just don't buy meat anymore unless I'm craving some really specific meal. I'd quit milk too but all the substitute milks are just awful compared to whole milk.

>>716479312
cows dont eat grass, retard
rent on land is more expensive than grain, so you just keep cows prisoners in small rooms and feed them grain
grass is very uncaloric and lacks protein, so to get muscular cows to sell beef you feed them hormones, steroids and GRAIN

cows eat human food, so they can grow bigger, faster, on less land
you have NO IDEA what you are talking about with your medieval peasant pre-market understnading of farming
all modern farming is money-efficient, and resource-inefficient, and based on marketing to marks like you

>>716479367
I think that's really commendable anon. Couldn't be me though

>>716479371
Retarded jeet. I pass thousands of cows eating grass every day.

>>716479371
Urbanite or retard?

>>716479471
Is there a difference?

>>716479451
>>716479471
t. doesn't know

>>716479367
Being a faggot is OK, but remember, any animal who wants to eat you wouldn´t give a flying fuck about your "feelings" and wouldn´t hesitate about eating you alive.

>>716479371
>cows dont eat grass, retard
Then what are they doing on the fields? just chilling and shitting all over?

>>716479589
they arent on the fields
the "grass fed" cows you see are slow to pack muscle, and their products are sold at delux prices, and you don't buy that
almost all of the cattle products you buy are from factory grown, grain and onions fed, mutant cows

>>716479329
Because farmers dont wanna waste good? Its simply cash for them ?

>>716479367
Chicken tastes great and I don't give a fuck how many have to die to feed me

>>716479650

>>716479658
>farmer gets more cash if he uses his entire crop for cattle consumption instead
there
what now, moron?

>>716479704
Also chicken are cannibals.

>>716479658
Why are you bothering trying to argue with a guy that fucking dumb?

>>716479530
Idk how it would change his thinking.
Animals are fucking dumb, simply they dont know what emotions are so how are they suppose to respect then

>>716479242
sure, go subsist on chaff then
see how much protein you get out of that

>>716479719
india has the largest cow population in the world, retard. browns know cows better than you, and more of their cows actually eat grass than yours.
im from europe

>>716479729
Now you explain how that's supposedly the case

>>716479367
>m also a bit shit at grocery shopping so its hard for me to tell whats actually from like a proper cruelty-free farm or whats trying to blow smoke up my ass,
That's understandable, there really are some bullshit labels around. And I say that as someome who eats meat daily.
Thankfully it's been getting better here thanks to supermarkets themselves introducing labels that somewhat work.

>>716479371
You are a fucking idiot, grass is free and you only grain for a couple month right before slaughter to pump up the fat content for taste.

>>716479329
Oh, so moving goalposts? Still waiting for the question about where is the waste...

>>716479650
WTF where you live in the USA ?

>>716467175 (OP)
>Worth it?
Yes, dlc is expensive as hell though.

You need B12 to live, and in the natural world it only comes from animals.

>>716467175 (OP)
I'd rather the steak

>>716479367
The world would be better if more people were like you anon. I'm fine with killing to eat, I grew on the countryside and my grandparents made me decapitate chickens as a kid, but those factories are satanic. No living being should be forced to live in those conditions. Death is natural but not spending your whole life in a literal circle of hell torture. I buy my stuff from farms that I can visit but I'm aware not everyone can afford to do that.

>>716479864
Ah it was thread about rimworld

>>716479796
Why should I? That IS the case. Most crops grown aren't partitioned between animal and human feed. Most are grown simply for animal consumption. You are a sheltered urbanite nu-conservative who hasn't ventured outside of a city.

>>716479803
time isn't free, retard
land isnt free, retard
labour isnt free, retard

you want the cows as big as possible, as fast as possible, and on as little space as possible
you do this by keeping them in a cell and feeding them cown and onions

this is the most money-efficient way to make beef, because corn and onions are heavily subsidized, and therefore are cheaper than labour, land and time (risk).

and, i can't stress this enough, this is COMMON SENSE that EVERYONE KNOWS except for retards here making me think like a wise sage for stating something every taxi driver or supermarket clerks knows

>>716479884
>literal circle of hell torture
Don´t lie retard, you never put an step on the countryside, and you watched too much hippie propaganda about chickens on tiny cubicles. Those fucking cows live even better than you, the only "downside" is that they live in semi captivity (where I live they are literally free.

>>716479808
>asking for proof is moving the goalposts
Heartland institute pls go

>>716468975
It's easier to bait here because no ID's so you can just samefag until someone bites.

>>716479869
Or fermenting grass in your cecum, a cecum that has atrophied and has not been selected for in humans to ferment in any significant degree whatsoever, and even then we lack the bacteria to do so anyway.

>>716480025
You are the one claiming that the waste happens, tell us how.

>>716480002
Are my eyes deceiving me or is this suburbanite retard trying to tell me the most cost effective way to raise cattle?

>>716480086
No, you are the one claiming that the waste doesn't happen

>>716479650
I have a local farm that only feeds them local grasses (along lamb, forest foraging pigs and chickens) and it's the most delicious meat I've ever had in my entire life, though it does cost double the price. And there's plenty of fat. The fat content of the cow has much more to do with the breed. Some breeds have been selected to have little fat and no muscle, avoid farms that have them.

>>716480117
Should I go for a goat or a specific breed of cow if I only want milk. I only have experience with chickens.

>>716480117
>suburbanite retard
Oh please, you ex liberals are the exact same kind of suburbanite retard. Conservatives used to say that all liberals had was book smarts and no real life experience, being afraid to leave inner cities and suburbia. You nu-conservatives have neither book smarts OR life experience. A sad state of affairs.

>>716480149
And explained the thought-process to reach that conclusion, to wich you claimed that is wrong, yet you post no proof of such claim, not even a fucking headcannon.

>>716480018
It depends on country, in some third world countries filled with brownies they dont care about animals and that happy animal mean better meat

For me
it's Nate the Hoofguy.

>>716480018
Forgot to add, if you treat cows badly, milk is bad.

>>716480216
Goats are cheaper and a bit easier to break to milking, could go for a Holstein or some other milking cow but I’m not too much help on that as I do beef cattle.

>>716480241
>And explained the thought-process to reach that conclusion
Nice, unfortunately in the real world a thought-process isn't enough to reach the CORRECT conclusion, which can only be reached through actual evidence. Now post some.

>>716480117
Buddy boy. He read a substantial amount of salon articles about it. Sit down and listen. It's a complex issue.

>>716480216
Bro, are you taking advice from a retard on 4chan claiming expertise?
Try microwaving magnets, I hear this makes big goats.

>>716480002
This is only true for dairy cattle, almost every single cow raised raised purely for slaughter is grass fed 99% of its life.

>>716478712
>anon believes some faggot on facebook but not one of his fellow anons

>>716480313
So you are too retarded to creat a counter-argument, ok.

>>716480230
Are the pictures not evidence of doing this shit? Been in this a while you monkey. So quit being dumb about how these things are done.

>>716480230
Are you done sperging out in ignorance or will we have to suffer with more of your ass blasted posts

>>716480424
It's ok I showed you my thought process, that means I win, right?

>>716480428
Do you realize thats a tiny transport unit? They are not living there.

>>716480428
>Are the pictures not evidence of doing this shit?
random pictures on the internet are not evidence, no

>>716467175 (OP)
A shitpost thread disguising as a videogame thread while OP probably hasn't responded in hours.

>>716480484
No shit, they were heading to a sale.

>>716480520
Do I honestly need to timestamp farming? This is so basic that even you should be about to figure it out.

>>716480576
The cow in the front right looks angry...

>>716480428
>dipshit cleans shit out of a stall and he thinks he knows how the beef industry works
lmao these are the people screeching about LIBRUHLS
THERE IS LITERALLY A GRAIN FEEDER IN YOUR PICTURE

>>716480216
If you want milk for yourself or your family, get a goat. A single cow will produce enough to start a small business (there are thirdies who support their entire family with the milk from one cow). Goats will eat significantly less and are less picky with what they eat.
In both cases there are specific breeds for milk production.

>>716480216
From what I have heard from homesteading people, you are almost certainly not ready for a cow. If you do go that route, find an high A2 beta-casein cow breed (Jersey, Guernsey, Normande, and Brown Swiss). Holsteins have A2 as well, but the A1/A2 ratio is lower.
For goats, I've heard Nigerian Dwarfs are good, but I'm sure there's many others.

>>716480018
>Don´t lie retard, you never put an step on the countryside
I literally spent half my life there, retard, what are you talking about?
I'm not talking about farms I'm talking about industrial factories, of chickens especially. Have YOU actually ever visited them in person or are you lying like a piece of shit?

>>716472059
What the fuck
So this is just Sims but with actual shit to do?
sounds interesting

>>716480652
Why on earth would I have a grain feeder on a small livestock trailer?

>>716480652
there's no grain feeder, that's just a trainsport unit

>>716467175 (OP)
Are they trying to give everyone diabetes

>>716480576
Nice hobby farm
Unfortunately the world's rapacious appetite for beef can't be fed with small operations like that. It has to be produced on an industrial scale, and that cannot be done by putting cows out in a nice green pasture. Google what a feed lot is to find out how the real world works, kid.

>>716480749
It's easier than trying to find a restaurant along the way

>>716480652
>THERE IS LITERALLY A GRAIN FEEDER IN YOUR PICTURE
Looks like the ground to me.

>>716480795
Beef is one of the only type of farms where small stuff like me <100 head is still a thing. Most others like chicken have been super industrialized.

>>716480821
>Looks like the ground to me.
Basically is dirt+straws+shit

>>716480749
Why are you being dishonest?

>>716480795
>Unfortunately the world's rapacious appetite for beef can't be fed with small operations like that.
If we're talking sustainability, we are actively destroying all farmland on this planet just to produce dogshit "edible" annuals. The reason the dustbowl happened was because we killed all of the natural ruminants that enriched the soil and ecosystem and replaced it with dogshit wheat and corn. That's about to happen again on even bigger scale. It's so bad they're starting to rip down the amazon just to grow fucking s.oy.

>>716475326
nice

>>716480886
Oh that is extra grain storage for the goats, cattle don’t get that.

>>716480942
>It's so bad they're starting to rip down the amazon just to grow fucking s.oy.
And they do that to feed the onions to livestock

>>716480971
>goats get fed more grain than the cows
Liar

>/v/ has had the best thread with this dogshit bait image with actual cattle ranchers in it and less retards compared to /pol/ and /fit/
>bait image was not posted on /ck/, despite it most likely being the most relevant board to actually post it to
I will never understand this site

>>716480942
The food we're growing now has on average 40% less nutritional value than it did barely half a century ago. I dunno how we begin to fix this shit, something tells me a peanut crop rotation isn't gonna cut it.

>>716481000
Yeah, and I'm saying don't fucking do that. Are you even paying attention or just replying capriciously? The grass is self sustaining when paired with cows, the s.oy is not. My local cattle farmer is proof of this, he's been doing it for 30 years and never imports or plants grasses or any supplemental feed.

>>716481056
The only relevant boards are /pol/ and /v/

>>716472259
deep

>>716481056
/v/ is just the new old /b/, you can talk any topic here. Except video games.

>>716481031
I keep mine on full grain for putting in weight for quick turn around. Plus a couple hundred to need to eat a good bit unlike cattle who get hay.

>>716481056
You don't bother making threads on /ck/ unless it's about a fast food chain, 'za, a celebrity chef or a new coffee or tobacco general. Almost anything else you get cram-posted and the thread dies.

>>716467175 (OP)

>>716481106
>40% less nutritional value than it did barely half a century ago
Before or after """processing"""?

>>716481112
That's nice but there isn't enough grass to feed that many cows to make the business efficient. If you want to feed the world on what the local cattle farmer produces, the world population would have to be about 1 billion people, not 8.

>>716481138
nice farm anon

>>716481138
>unlike cattle who get hay.
Another crop grown specifically to feed livestock

>>716481106
Cows in their natural environment fix it. "Crops" have less nutrients for a multitude of reasons, one of the main ones being that they're artificially selected for yield over nutrition, and the other being soil health from growing said crops over and over again on the same soil. If you just eat meat from a grass fed cow, you don't have this problem. The solution is incredibly simple, the planet has been around a long time and has never had this problem before. We could easily support 100x more humans if done correctly, and the planet has had even more biomass than that in the past as well.

>>716481056
Because /v/ is full of retards that can't tell it's bait.

>>716481218
Do you know what most hay is? Or are you literally 70 iq?

>>716481172
>business efficient.
jew detected

>>716481218
>hay is a crop
Are you retarded?

>>716481218
It's fucking cut and dried grass

>>716481159
I wonder if detachable/regrowable parts would be better. Like how a lizard can shed its tail and regrow it without harm or trauma to the main body.

>>716481237
>"Crops" have less nutrients for a multitude of reasons
Actually they have more, that's why they're grown specifically to feed cows. Because it's more efficient.
>We could easily support 100x more humans if done correctly, and the planet has had even more biomass than that in the past as well.

You couldn't, and you shouldn't want 100x more humans anyway.

>>716480378
>This is only true for dairy cattle, almost every single cow raised raised purely for slaughter is grass fed 99% of its life.

>"It's estimated that around 4% of retail and food service beef sales in the US are grass-fed."

>>716481279
>>716481292
>>716481293
You can't be this retarded. Most hay is alfalfa grown specifically to feed livestock.
>the absolute state of know-it-all conservitard wannabees who haven't stepped out of their state

>>716481323
>Actually they have more, that's why they're grown specifically to feed cows. Because it's more efficient.
wrong on both counts
and the part of the crop fed to cows is 100% inedible to humans you retard, unless you enjoy chewing on hull, roots leaves and stems.
Denutrification is a fact and you're just going to have to not be retarded and learn about it somewhere else, I'm not spoonfeeding you.
>You couldn't, and you shouldn't want 100x more humans anyway.
You're actually right for once. We're going to need a sweeping eugenics program before our kind makes such leaps away from yours. Remember to take your booster.

>>716481443
Most is just fucking orchard grass my guy, alfalfa is expensive and premium.

>>716481410
*grass finished
no one raises cows on corn and s.oy you retarded suburbanite, they're almost entirely raised on natural grasses, and the auctioned to various finishing facilities to be face fucked with s.oy until they're fatter than you

>>716481282
Do you have any idea how the modern world works or do you think you're inside an anime or some shit?

Everything is optimised to be EFFICIENT

It's why you are able to have stuff, instead of living in a fucking mud hut with lice crawling in your hair

>>716481513
bro your uncle's hobby farm is now how 95% of cattle in the USA is raised

>>716467175 (OP)
Let me guess they included the entire plant mass that is edible for the cow for the "grain" and also applied the same to the humans who can eat maybe 10% of the plant

>>716481540
KEK

>>716481545
Hmmm, who am I going to trust:
>fed numbers, which agree with market analyst numbers which agree with farm lobbyist numbers
>or anon on 4chan
hmmmmm.... really activates my alfalfa..... really makes my brain the big brain....

>>716481490
>and the part of the crop fed to cows is 100% inedible to humans you retard, unless you enjoy chewing on hull, roots leaves and stems.
Are you fucking braindead?
THAT'S THE POINT, THAT THE LAND AND RESOURCES ARE BEING USED TO FEED COWS AND NOT HUMANS, THUS MAKING IT WASTEFUL AND INEFFICIENT

>>716481540
The cold hard truth.

>>716481545
>no one raises cows on corn and s.oy you retarded suburbanite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
> if animals are kept in confined quarters rather than being allowed to range freely over grassland, they will gain weight more quickly and efficiently with the added benefit of economies of scale.

>>716481639
The grasslands should've been kept as grasslands and we should farm as many ruminants on said grasslands as possible to feed humanity. Anything else is wasteful, inefficient and leads to human suffering.

>>716467379
But I like the SCP stuff... I really liked loboCorp

>>716481056
If you think this was a good thread you deserve to rot on pol

ITT: MIGAturds know nothing about the real world

>>716481715
Feedlots are used to "finish" cows.
https://www.agribeef.com/blog/what-is-grain-finishing/

>>716481279
Why isn't Trump releasing the Epstein files? Why are you supporting a pedophile?

>>716481715
Those are for finishing

>>716481793
Dang brother, this expert sure is saying some things about the economic inefficiency of grad-fed and the economic incentives to switch to a resource-inefficient, but money-efficient grain feed moment instea, yeee haw. Is he a lib or something dangit?

>>716481726
>The grasslands should've been kept as grasslands and we should farm as many ruminants on said grasslands as possible to feed humanity.
You are braindead retarded. There would be no grasslands if you put that many cows on them. Grasslands are entirely seasonal and grazing animals have to keep moving or else they eat all the grass and starve to death. Also how the fuck would you round them up for slaughter? You are a dipshit with zero life experience

>>716481793
>>716481830
>The cattle industry works in sequence with one another, prior to entering a feedlot, young calves are born typically in the spring where they spend the summer with their mothers in a pasture or on rangeland. These producers are called cow-calf operations and are essential for feedlot operations to run.[11] Once the young calves reach a weight between 300 and 700 pounds (140 and 320 kg) they are rounded up and either sold directly to feedlots
>These animals may gain an additional 400-600 pounds (180 kg) during its approximate 200 days in the feedlot
>an additional 400-600 pounds (180 kg)
Literally double their weight in the feedlot

>>716481910
All I can really do is link you random shit on the topic, I don't necessarily agree with everyone SAID in any one topic. It's just apparent you have never heard of "grain finishing" before. If it turns out there's a grand conspiracy where everyone involved in the cattle industry secretly feed lots their cows from birth, including local farms I've met, then yeah I'll give it to you.

https://www.beefresearch.org/resources/beef-sustainability/fact-sheets/grass-versus-grain-finished

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_feeding

https://roamingbisonranch.com/grass-fed-grass-finished-grain-finished-what-s-the-difference

>>716482047
It is apperant that you don't realize most of the weight of the cow comes from it being grain fed. Weight is sold, not time. The OP meme stands. You don't stand.

>>716481924
Bisons entire made the western grassland plains in America, which were entirely turned arid and shit after they were all killed. You're fucking retarded lol.

>>716482047
The quote he posted literally proves you wrong. Address it directly, you dumb beef industry shill.

>>716481910
That's misleading. Plenty of land is unsuitable for crops. You either run livestock on it or let it go to waste. That also happens to be where most livestock are.

>>716467175 (OP)
grain is so bad for you though. while for beef, only overcooked or ultraprocessed shit is bad for you. But to build a city you probably need grains for the masses of your colony.

>>716482026
That’s why you finish steers retard, 6-8 months being fed right before slaughter. Slaughtered at 18-20 months is about right.

>>716482097
OP's meme is about HUMANS eating wheat you complete fucking retard.
>most of the weight of the cow comes from it being grain fed
most of the weight comes from the last 160 days of their life because they're still developing you fucking retard. And it even then grains are not sustainable and we're actively going through all arable land at an ever faster rate each year. Scroll up and reread what I wrote for an explanation of that. Or don't, because obviously you can't understand anything.

>>716482126
>the beef industry is forcing me to have a balanced and nutrient-complete diet
the internet would be far better if it was entirely bots instead of 60% shitskins

As fun as it is to laugh at retarded vegans, always remember that the reason they're like this is because they get all their knowledge from images like OP's and refuse to even entertain the idea they're wrong.
Keep an eye open when you see images that confirm all your biases, or you may end up like these idiots.

>>716482107
>which were entirely turned arid and shit after they were all killed
Yes because farmers plowed up the soil and it blew away, nothing to do with bison being killed.

btw the number of cows in america now is more than double that of bison at their peak.

>>716482216
So they can't be finished on grass then, stupid?

>>716482126
It's literally the beef finishing industry shills saying s.oy and corn are better because it's in their own economic interest because making a cow 8-12% fatter than grass fed for a marginal profit is their entire industry, despite the fact that it's entirely wasteful for the world and is a form of cow torture.

>>716482279
Actually it doss have a lot to do with mobile fertilizers and seed spreaders being killed.

>>716467175 (OP)
The food we feed to animals is not fit for human consumption.

>>716482338
They can, just takes longer and you don’t get the fat that most people want. That is the main point of finishing.

>>716482232
>the beef industry is forcing me to have a balanced and nutrient-complete diet
This is like a simpsons parody of blatant shilling, jesus christ lol

>>716467175 (OP)
>20 'people'

>>716482279
>Yes because farmers plowed up the soil and it blew away, nothing to do with bison being killed.
That's literally my fucking point you retard
>btw the number of cows in america now is more than double that of bison at their peak
too bad we're still wasting our time farming corn and s.oy on land they should be living on

>>716482394
do i give off more of a snape or voldemort vibe?

>>716482385
>They can, just takes longer
So you can't then

>>716481639
Why are you treating "the part of the crops fed to cows" as being the same as "the entire crop"?

>>716482379
Countless hectares used for growing söy that animals eat could be utilized for something else.

>>716482442
You can and some people do, health people and dumbasses who see grass fed and think it’s premium for some reason.

>>716467175 (OP)

>16 kg of grain
>1 kg of beef

If this were apples to apples wouldnt you just multiply 1 kg of beef by 16 and feed 32 people according to the graphs own dumb logic? Also cows produce milk leather textiles and a number of other things. Grain is just grain.

>>716482435
>too bad we're still wasting our time farming corn and s.oy on land they should be living on

You do that because if they didn't farm corn and onions you would need 3x as many cows as bison you moron

>>716482442
Yes you can. I just ate an entire pound of grass finished beef this morning, and I do that every single morning and have been for the last 2 years. It costs about 25-30% more than grain finished.

>>716482483
>as being the same as "the entire crop"?
Because that is what it is you dishonest rat jew

>>716482483
Motherfucking beaners and huhuhus are cutting amazons for more plotting area. You might as well count it as "entire crop" because obviously it doesn't meat the demand

The cow feeds different nutrients and has the capability of feeding people over longer periods using milk. This is such insane cope, wheat and cow are not comparable in a nutritional way.

>>716482515
Ok, and? We just need to unpsyop the public into eating beef again.

>>716482518
That's nice but you are not the rest of the 8 billion people on this planet

>>716467175 (OP)
nobody said meat is an efficient food, just that we need it to survive and it tastes pretty good

>>716467175 (OP)
Somebody tell vegans that human stomach is around 10 times worse at digesting plant-based food, so while you’re “feeding” 20 people you only provide enough nutrition for 2

>>716482623
>Ok, and?
So you'd need 3x as much land you fucking idiot

>>716467175 (OP)
We need to genocide all cows then because releasing them into the wild isn't an option.

>>716482504
We have more than enough produce. If you reduce the cost too low then nobody would produce it. Read a book not written by a retarded Slavic Jew.

>>716482518
So funny to read this shit. You're disconnected from reality. >>716482626 What this guy says.
You're on the same level as "if you're homeless just buy a house"

>>716482680
Cows are in a constant state of genocide anon

>>716482648
more like 1000x worse, humans cecum have atrophied into an appendix. We can't ferment plant matter into fatty acids into any degree at all in order to produce long chain fatty acids like every other omnivore and herbivore. Feed a baby bread only and watch how quick it dies.

Video games?

>>716482689
>We have more than enough produce
That's right, so that land should be returned to its natural state then, since it's unneeded.

>>716482673
The land that's currently used for a crop that's destroying said land's ecosystem and poisoning the world? Sounds good to me.
>>716482712
>ummm we need to all live like shit and eat bugs because.... there's a lot of people....

>>716482838
>The land that's currently used for a crop that's destroying said land's ecosystem and poisoning the world?
Hey moron
If there land before could only naturally sustain 30 million ruminants grazing
How could it now sustain 90 million?

>>716482680
this is unironically what vegans want to do, just kill all the animals now and don't even eat the corpses

>>716482712
It's...not the same at all? You don't need to buy the ebin mcdonalds premium deluxe beef if you don't give a shit about the nutritional composition. You do need to have a house if you don't want to waste away and die.

>>716482725
We need to be more efficient. Murder them genetically and take away their place in the food chain. Fuck flies, fuck em hard.

>>716482923
Considering Bison are almost 2x the size of cows, probably pretty easily

>>716482838
>ummm we need to all live like shit and eat bugs because.... there's a lot of people....
Again, you are retarded. We all don't have to. 3rd worlders should. This is why this meme should be spread and beef gatekept HARD. If Pajets realize how fucked their diet and start eating meat the meat industry is going to collapse.

>>716482940
>You don't need to buy the ebin mcdonalds premium deluxe beef if you don't give a shit about the nutritional composition.
If you took away everything but the premium deluxe beef there wouldn't be enough to go around

>>716483053
I don't think the math really works out there buddy

>>716483060
Listen man you don't need to psyop the thirdies away from eating species appropriate diet to eradicate them. All you need is feminism, vaccines, birth control and stop giving them gibs.

>>716483181
close enough
your numbers are arbitrary and retarded anyway so idgaf

>>716467886
i dun geduh

>>716483263
>your numbers are arbitrary and retarded anyway so idgaf
Just like yours then? Feel free to post any hard evidence whatsoever to support your dumb logic

>>716467886
ackshually it's 1kg of cow and 15kg of cowpoop, which produces 200kg of wheat

>>716467175 (OP)
>16KG of beef feeds 32 people
Whew

>>716483412
but that requires 16x16 Kg of grain, which would feed 320 people

>>716483412
and grass + cow is infinite up until the land cap
games for feels like this?

>>716483490
16x16kg of grain feeds 0 people because grains aren't human food
Feeding a human grain only results in death, quicker the younger they are.

>>716483567
>our entire civilization was build on discovery of agriculture
>became absolute dominant species because we could grow our own food on demand
/v/ tard moment

I've been vegan for about 2.5 years and it's totally fine; just don't be a retard who thinks he has to try some crazy nutjob diet and you'll be fine. Eat the same stuff you ate before but replace the animal-based parts of the meals with plant-based ones. Most of what we eat consists of plants anyway. Drink oat milk and eat yogurt with vitamin B12 and you'll be healthy. Also, I wish meat eaters could be honest. You eat meat because you enjoy it; because you value your personal pleasure more highly than you value the life of an animal. I may disagree with this value judgement, but it's your moral choice to make at the end of the day. Own it. Don't try to justify it with lies. Nobody needs to eat meat to survive or to be healthy, unless you're a member of some primitive hunter-gatherer tribe living in the steppes of Africa or a wild Esquimaux native or some such.

>>716467175 (OP)
Everyone understands this though

Yeah yeah we get it you voted for Kamala and Hillary. Move on.

>>716483774
Kind of but not really, the animal would never exist at all if I wasn’t planning on eating it

>>716483774
Your desperation for (you)s has been noted.

>>716483774
I do enjoy eating meat however I also eat it because I don't even remotely trust the things I would need to ingest to make up for removing it from my diet.

>>716481540
the gigachuds then raid the farmcucks for the rest of their grain stockpile

>16 kalagrams of wheat
>Feed 20 people
>or...
>Make waif 1 kalagram thiccer

What do?

>>716484075
You'll trust whatever cheap chemical cocktail they shove into chickens and cows no problem though

>>716484207
Perfect is the enemy of good

>>716484207
I have to eat something, if there's going to be chemicals involved somewhere then I would rather another animal has taken the brunt of it first

>>716483774
No, dipshit. You chose to neglect your instincts telling you to sink your teeth into meat and that's all well and good. It's not some grand-standing moral choice to eat meat just because the world has developed alternatives. You, at your instinctual core, are still a meat-eater even if you stuff your face with an excess of environmentally devastation crops to feel better about yourself. It's not a choice over whether think meat is more tasty than we care about the lives of beings that would otherwise die anyway and nourish some flies and fucking mushrooms, but whether we, in our state of modernity, choose to deny what we are and build our lives around a denial that would be impossible without living in a perpetual state of excess. I do not deny what I am, and I feel no shame in that.

>>716467886
yeah man when you put some grains in the dirt, they just like multiply there and there's nothing like a plant or anything

>>716484515
>beings that would otherwise die anyway
They simply would never live. The species we farm for meat would not exist at all without us eating them.

>>716481138
Tell me more about goat maxxing, they seem to be very chill animals

>>716484673
he's a redneck conservatard so he probably just fucks them in the pussy

>>716467175 (OP)
Vegans are mentally retarded.

Cattle eat grass, corn stalks, wheat stalks and so on.

>>716484762
based pussyfuckerGOD

>>716482725
What a horrific reality we live in

>>716483912
>the animal would never exist at all if we didn't keep breeding them into existence only to keep them imprisoned in wretched conditions before brutally killing them
Yes...? Is that supposed to be an argument?

>>716484515
When I used to eat meat it was just because that was the 'normal' thing everyone did, because my environment had conditioned me into it, not because I had some wild beastman ooga booga drive to do it. Then I saw the footage of the screaming pigs in the gas chambers and the tortured cows and decided to stop doing it because it filled me with visceral moral revulsion. I think my actions are perfectly in line with my instincts here.

>>716483774
I don't think pigs would have any objection to eating me, thus I don't have any objection to eating them.
It's a very simple moral code.

>>716484673
They are like cats with a herd instinct, friendly but can be aloof. Like to die randomly

>>716484915
>They are like cats
I'm sold

>>716484902
Negro logic.

>>716485006
Look around you timmy, it's a nigger eat nigger world.

>>716485006
What?

>>716482830
Producing plants is a net good for the environment.

>>716482218
>OP's meme is about HUMANS eating wheat you complete fucking retard.
its about comparing how much humans can get from gain, vs feeding a cow the same amount of grain, you absolute illiterate cretin yokel

>>716474440
>Average weight of a bee is 0.2 grams