Armored core will never be this soulful again...
https://youtu.be/qWKfCpzpxg4

>>716473565 (OP)
Yeah... that haunting soundtrack, the grit, the cold weight of every missile launch-it hits different. New AC games look slick, sure, but they don’t have that oppressive atmosphere, that desperate, lonely dogfight vibe. Back then it felt like every sortie could be your last. This was when FromSoft still made you *feel* the cockpit, man.

>>716473565 (OP)
AC1 was the only one I really liked tbdesu

>>716473705
soundtrack has been bad since 4 last decent soundtracks was ac3 each game its gotten progressively worse imo


>>716473565 (OP)
cool video OP i wasnt crazy about AC4 but may try out ac4a one day. watching that video though reminds me that too many games from the previous console generation moving into 6th gen (360/ps3) sorry from a deepfried look where everything has bloom and high contrast and a filter over it. ruined resident evil 5 but perhaps it may work in ac4 because they make it sound like the world is toxic and contaminated by those retard particles

>>716473705
You talk like a faggot

HEY BROS I REALLY LIKED THE PS2 GAMES BUT I HAVENTT PLAYED THE PS1 GAMES SHOULD I PLAY THE GAMES PS1

>>716476124
4a ost was peak

>>716473705
I absolutely felt all that in AC6.
Kinda a nefag to the series though, I remember playing AC2 on the PS1 demo disk and liked it and then always looked at all the consecutive games being released always thinking "man, I should get into AC" but it never really went anywhere.

>>716473565 (OP)
Holy jank slop

>>716476384
ill give it a try sometime. personally i always felt that the electronic music of the earlier games was amuch better fit and way more authentic. the more they have leaned into vocals and increasingly experimental music the more pretentious and annoying it became. its a game with giant robots shooting lasers at eachother. it doesnt have a plot developed enough to need an experimental cinematic soundtrack. not every game need a "cinematic" soundtrack. a lot of modern AC music reminds me of the evergrace music people meme about for being totally schizophrenic.

>>716476550
AC6 soundtrack is kino of the highest order, thoughbeit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3S70lomUVQ

>>716476550
OK it might not be for you, I also love the evergrace ost kek. I really liked the noise rock approach they took on ac4a personally, but i think silent line was peak for the more traditional electronic style.

For me it's Shining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-BamISde_M

>>716476698
based, I never played this one and that sounds pretty interesting
For me it's cosmos
https://youtu.be/7kLPPUQyLNA?si=YsHpKNG9jCkAO1l4

>>716476601
its alright (the song you posted) imo the ac6 soundtrack is less annoying than ac4 which is good but again sounds very generic. armored core just works better when it leans into being sci fi and uses electronic music again imo. 90s electronic genres are coming back and its because they are interesting and fun to listen too and work well with videogames. i think something more in line with the metroid prime games would probably work well. metroid prime has a lot of stuff like backwards breathing samples and such mixed in that make tracks ominous but attention grabbing. armored core should be like that. dark music with interesting sounds layered in but still electronic music focused. i think everyone is sick of all games having the same sort of music..

>>716476550
I fully get it but Rusted Pride bangs hard

https://youtu.be/GC-HQCb2RWc

>>716473565 (OP)
this just looks sluggish and horrible to play
crazy how fromsoft managed to stay afloat

>>716476651
i mean the music should also invoke some sort of mood, a lot of modern armored core music is schizo without a solid song structure but it doesnt really make me feel anything either its just annoying and contrived. there are even drakengard songs i think you could feasibly work out to if you were just cracked out on an energy drink on a treadmill or something and those tracks are notorious for being like the evergrace ost. but the reason i bring up the evergrace ost is because it isnt just the song structure itself but the sound and tone it has that dictates if it even meshes with the game or if its purely distracting and removes players from the scene because they are turning the volume down

>>716476883
yeah that one is okay. ac6 has a few good tracks i wouldnt say it has zero.

>>716476848
Can you post some stuff from the older AC games you like? Maybe I'll add it to my playlist.
I really liked AC6 OST because it reminded me of 80s electronic music but infused with modern sound design, similar thing nu-Blade Runner did.

HOLY FUCKING FILTERED LOL

>>716477045
Extreme warning: Once this enters your head it never leaves
https://youtu.be/ck6HwU1G9lQ

>>716473565 (OP)
>wow this is kino
>ACV appears
EEEEEEEEEYIKIES WARN ME BEFORE PUTTING THAT SHIT ON MY SCREEN NEXT TIME FAGGOT

>>716477092
Nice. Kinda reminds me of MOD scene/tracker music somehow.
You have more?

>>716477234
broski just play the games, the games are fun and the songs are good

>>716477045
im not trying to force you to like my music its ust my opinion maybe just go listen to the ost on your own of the older games. you may find something you like or you may totally disagree with me. i just remember that there were more tracks in the older OSTs that i thought sounded cool and i enjoyed listening too. i should probably listen to the ac6 soundtrack again myself before i shit on it so much. i just remember i went through it a while back and it had 3 or so songs that stood out to me but the rest just sounded like modern game music and by that i mean music that didnt even strike me as armored core but just something that i can see in lots of other games appealing to a wider audience.

i personally thought this was a cool theme for something as simple as a menu where you read shit. it has the tone of armored core, interesting sound effects/samples/ an ominous threatening tone, still somewhat upbeat though to keep you motivated. checks off a lot of the bullet points that i think the soundtrack should have in general. im not saying the modern games need to sound like THIS. what im saying is in the same way that this track checks off these bullet points they should try to move back in a direction that also can check these same boxes off. this obviously would sound dated to many people but as a frame work i think this general "vibe" is one sort of song among others that an armored core track should contain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejL2ebtEW4&

again i also really like the metroid prime soundtracks. they also do this same thing where they make ominous music but with an interesting enough song structure to keep you engaged and wanting to explore, and they keep the general sci fi feeling of the world by including strange and unorthodox effects or samples they use in the songs.

https://youtu.be/L8ctLtUlgIE?si=0rt25IWbVrXjNRVn
kinoooooooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYUNs3Gikx8

>>716477259
I doubt I have the will to power through whole series anymore, lmao
I am 36 and there's a lot of pressure going on so I barely play games now, aside from few hunts in monhun every now and then. Yeah, I am the personification of that meme that /v/ doesn't play vidya but only shitposts about it.
Eh. Maybe I'll get my shit together and marathon it, like I did we RE at one point.

>>716477282
>>716477445
Man, it oozes 2000's soul.

Wasn't there a song called Deep Sea Fish Loves You Forever?

>>716477491
Just start at 3 on PS2, then do Silent Line then Nexus then Last Raven
They're short games, 20ish hours
>b-but 20 hours is long11!!!!
Bitch faggot you'd literally have more time to play games if you didn't browse tiktok and /v/

>>716476252
Yes
>>716477045
The first trilogy and their expansion titles have so many bangers

Us
Dooryard
Apex in Circle
Trans Am
Milk
Lapse of Time
Airport
In my Heart
Morning, Lemontea

I love the mystery
Also the feeling in 3 when everything is escalating and it feels like everyone's watching as you destroy the controller and breach the artificial sky

>>716476601
Meh. At best it's there in the background being inoffensive and boring, at worst it's annoying (fuck Carla's theme, good thing she's a complete pushover).
If you want AC with good soundtrack, it's Ace Combat

>>716477491
why dont you just listen to the armored core 2 sound track tonight there are multiple playlists on youtube. idk why this is. one may be the game ost and the other one may be some sort of arranged album. this is also another cool theme where not every song needs to sound like this but this general vibe again should be at least somewhere in an armored core track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51OjEFEc3I

again im not saying that ac6 or ac7 should sound like ac 2 or ac3 my core argument really is just that there is a sort of tone or vibe that the old tracks have and if you can put that into words there surely is a way to do that while also making it sounds a little more modern for "modern" audiences. i like that the older armored core soundtracks sound authentic that they are not trying to be anything more than they are and its just music for a cool game with robots in it.

Is VI any good?
It didn't do what MH World did and ruin the series for normalfag appeal?

>>716477491
why dont you just listen to the armored core 2 sound track tonight there are multiple playlists on youtube. idk why this is. one may be the game ost and the other one may be some sort of arranged album. this is also another cool theme where not every song needs to sound like this but this general vibe again should be at least somewhere in an armored core track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51OjEFEc3I

again im not saying that ac6 or ac7 should sound like ac 2 or ac3 my core argument really is just that there is a sort of tone or vibe that the old tracks have and if you can put that into words there surely is a way to do that while also making it sounds a little more modern for "modern" audiences. i like that the older armored core soundtracks sound authentic that they are not trying to be anything more than they are and its just music for a cool game with robots in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tSmgVYdrFA

i like this track because its playful and encourages you to have fun but still carries a general sense of mystery and obviously still sounds like a sci-fi inspired track.

>>716477859
>>716477725
sorry about that not sure what happened here with my post havent had tht happen before.

>>716477859
I get what you're saying, but personally I felt AC6 soundtrack was unique enough. Not trying to start an argument or anything, but I feel like they've managed to achieve exactly what you're talking about.
Contact With You especially, I rememer instantly getting hooked to that tune when I was ifghting Balteus for the first time.
https://youtu.be/aCu93MKq7ec?list=RDaCu93MKq7ec

Maybe if I played the OG games back in the day, I'd be on your side 100%.

>>716477528
Alright. Maybe I'll do it on orignal hardware too for maximum sovl.
Thanks for the motivation, anon.

>>716478157
yeah this one isnt bad. this is leagues better than pretty much anything in ac4. it still suffers though in places for having sound effects that sound more like the thing you would expect in a movie trailers. if you know what im talking about you know what im talking about. but thats a small issue. i am a huge proponent of videogame music using unique sounds that fit the vibe of the song but dont sound like something you normally encounter in everyday media. just helps give it that edge to immerse you more and not remind you of normal day real world stuff.

>>716478375
unique sounds that fit the vibe of the game** my bad

>>716478415
i know i probably sound super pedantic, that may or may not even be the right word, but me being anal and detail obsessed. but this song is a good example. that pipe falling on the floor sound makes the song. sci fi games need to do this but with their own stuff which again is why i shill the metroid prime soundtracks so hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU9HtIH6Qbo

>>716478489
Fuck the faggot that made me see the long mouth, I can't unsee it

>>716478553
yeah i know i have the same issue sorry brother

>>716476550
Filtered faggot. "pretentious" kill yourself

>>716473705
>This was when FromSoft still made you *feel* the cockpit, man
Bros pussy was dripping.

>>716479431
sheeeeeesh fr

https://youtu.be/6KYTG0piEH8?si=f5B0IOumtWDDBxE6

>>716473565 (OP)
Look anon, I enjoy the old games but there was no excuse for them taking until last fucking raven to realise they have TWO sticks at their disposal.

>>716478901
i beat the game twice i may even play it again i was never filtered. played it once in 2008 or so and again during covid. armored core 2 is also better im sure that will get you real mad.

>>716479875
People say it was a deliberate choice for heavy mechanical feel and then the mechs all spin about in the cutscenes. All their ps1 action games controlled like that too. They just like to stick to what works, I think. From's adjusted to react to positive change a lot more over the decade.

>>716480105
yeah i played kingsfield 1 (jp) a few years back and instantly recognized it as the origin of the armored core control scheme. i still prefer ac2 despite this over ac4 which felt too much like a dragonball z game with robot skins. they overcorrected.

>>716480362
lol, I think ac2 was my least favorite. 3 felt like it refined a lot of the ideas from it for me. 4 was great, just a big super crazy go nuts mecha where everything is powered by cancerdeath for maximum speed. I think it achieved something different, but also very good.

I also just liked the designs more. AC never had anything quite so perfect until we got aaliyah.

>>716473705
Enjoy your minus 574256 credits bro

AC6 was not any less soulfull as the rest of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC_b5L5dup4

>>716481886
Which is crazy to even think it doesn't have soul when it has literally the most memorable cast in the entire series regardless if it's English or JP

I wish my phone was good enough to play AC2 and Another Age at full speed

t. haver of a phone that has Snapdragon 8 gen 3

>>716473565 (OP)
AC2 was the best

I used to hold down fire and use the vibration to jack off

>>716482098
if it's the only game you've played then maybe
white glint and old king mog every character in 6

>>716477560
>no a pacifist

>>716480820
im on the fence between 2 and 3 i agree with you that in many ways 3 improved on 2. in terms of mech design i also agree somewhere around 2 or 3 is where it peaked aesthetically. (if im understanding you correctly) there is stuff in 4 which looks really good but there are more stinker designs in 4 imo than 2 and 3. 4 is where everything just started to get too crazy. because i didnt like 4 i never gave 4a a chance but ive been meaning to do it, i heard its better in every way.

FLAC rip of the 20th anniversary OST box
https://nyaa.si/view/1096169

>>716483056
I was just saying whatever came to mind
The majority is pretty good
Last Raven OST and Nexus outside of the remixes are pretty forgettable for me.

>>716482349
>hits turbo button

>>716482449
>>716482098
i always felt like armored core "not having a memorable cast" was a stylistic choice that worked well for the game and world they were making. it conveyed the sense that it wasnt worth getting to know the other pilots because they wouldnt survive that long anyway. most of them you only talk to once or twice. armored core always stood out to me as unique for not showing you the other pilots faces or anything. this obviously is convenient because FROM doesnt need to waste time on character design and such, but its one of the few games where i would argue it adds to the game and makes it stand out instead of detracting from it. i dont think it needs a memorable cast and if anything trying to create one would just make it less distinct.

Downloading 2 now because of this thread. Anything I should know going in?

>>716484878
KISARAGI IS FOR FAGS

>>716484878
its easy to get bankrupted at the start of the game. supposedly you can do human plus but i didnt know that and dropped the game at first. i found it harder than the modern games. you need to look up and down with the triggers there is no analog stick. its been a while since i played it but when i finished the game i think i had the tank legs and 2 chainguns or something as my meta in the arena not sure if i was using that in the campaign at the end but i might have.

>>716476252
I'm not going to mince words 22 FPS is pretty fucking brutal mate
I played them and finished the master arena in MoA but it may have done permanent damage to my nervous system

>>716484878
This image used to get passed around, is probably helpful.
2 isn't the best one out there, best approached from a position of having just played through the AC1 games and kinda already know what your doing.

>>716484878
Arena is free money
Learn to B-Hop
Get the right Energy Output/Drain ratio to B-Hop without draining your energy bar

Personal recommendation:
Reverse Joint legs, because JOMP

>>716484878
If you can't take the tank controls there's a dual analog patch by VanLazer on github

>>716480006
You got filtered by music. Your critique is retarded and "experimental cinematic music" is not real, just say "it's 2 weird 4 me" instead of writing this drivel

>>716484878
You can cheese the arena by flying straight up to the roof and pelting them with shoulder missiles, works all the way up to Ares.

>>716484878
yeah this AC2 document was found in a datamining thread exploring stuff in AC6 no clue if this is something to look forward to or not may have been something produced during the development of 2 but never included. may be a hint at a remaster or something else. we dont know yet. we think this was supposed to play on the screen possibly after viewing the credits possibly an unlockable you would access from the main menu.

>>716484878
Try it, but 3 is basically refined 2.
>>716485092
Frankly kind of crazy that it's saying 2 is noticeably harder than 3. Really? All the PS2 games have dogshit early games where you have no money and then you get great shit and it doesn't matter so much.
Also doesn't nexus not really prepare you for anything because its controls are totally different? Who the fuck is playing nexus onto last raven when they control differently?

>>716485585
Last Raven is not joking about the difficulty, you either import your shit over or you get ballstomped from the word go, it's more about having money and parts I guess, the starting loadout is not really sufficient for what that game throws you straight into.

>>716485585
A pair of the good machineguns in 3 is just way too powerful, 2 has no equivalent.

>>716476124
>>716476192
>>716476458
>>716479431
You all unironically got baited by an llm. Kys

>>716485890
what do you prompt them with to make them sound extra douchy and overfamiliar like that

>>716485890
>anyone who doesn't type like an underage brown retard is ChatGPT
fuck off, zoomoid trash

>>716485737
You were intended to switch from dual stick controls to part damage? Man the ps2 games were nuts.

>>716485295
it isnt that its too "weird". its just bad. i said earlier i can appreciate and even workout to a lot of the music in the drakengard games. those arguably are more schizo. but they accomplish something which is giving you adrenaline. which is also perfect for a game where you are killing a bunch of shit. they also create a sense of danger anxiety and unease. this is music that is weird but accomplishes what it sets out to do.

AC4s ost ranges from boring background stuff that doesnt register in your brain at all, to out of place shit that doesnt even suit the mood of the game or whats happening on screen often times and is just annoying or lame sounding. the guitar work is super uninspired crap and at the bare minimum they could have put it through some distortion filters or something. the singing is terrible and no one asked for singing in an armored core game. i could go on and on but its just a weak sound track. AC1-3 is much much better and a lot more memorable and has a lot of tracks in it you can appreciate outside the game as well. i dont see many people at all doing that with ac4. its a very half baked soundtrack. experimental doesnt make something automatically good.

and on the topic of the cinematic component of the argument, every game increasingly has been aping the same tired tactic of trying to move their OST in a more cinematic direction which is another reason why OSTs from the 90s and 2000s stand out so much more than shit from 7th gen and onward increasingly as time has progressed. most games OSTs are taking to much inspiration from the same places.

>>716485737
people say this but you can run the whole arena in LR before you do a mission. So even if you want to fight that guy thunderbolt or lightning or whatever his name is in the hardest first mission you can run maybe 1/3 of the way through the arena and upgraded your generator and boosters and gotten a good firepower weapon

>>716482449
>if it's the only game you've played then
Nope
>white glint and old king mog every character in 6
Not even close old King only shines for just the Cradles after that he's basically dead weight in the final Showdown, he does not have an inch of the same impact as say Snail, Iguazu or even Michigan. And White Glint was meh in the entire thing if I'm being honest other than shitting on Ortzdarava and Fragile

>>716473705
kinda gay

>>716486296
lmao the fact you can remember the highlights of those 2 characters from a game that is almost 2 decades old just proves me right

>>716486639
It really doesn't, especially when you assume they "mog" any 6 character just for the fact you remember the equivalent of a spark notes in their involvement in 4A if any capacity. Not like it matters since they're not even the best characters in their own game since Wynne D, May Greenfield, and Thermidor exist

>>716487072
>proves me even more with the spoiler
lmao ok then
next thing you're gonna do is talk about how cool ORCA is just to prove me even more about how correct i am

>>716482449
>mog every character in 6
Not really no

>>716487203
>Orca
Nah the PCA already have them beat I'm afraid

>>716486639
I'm a big old king fan and I'd be the first to admit the guy doesn't fucking do anything. He's a quest prompt.
I like him and all but he's like 6 lines and two missions. Mostly just counting.

>>716486114
How do you know it doesn't accomplish what it set out to do? Did you make it?
If you are going to use public perception "no one asked for singing in armored core" (who cares? they liked it anyway) then don't also say it's not memorable because 4 and FA are some of the most popular soudtracks in the franchise to this day, AC1-3 beep beep boop music really isn't as interesting. And yes, people can appreciate it outside of the game. It's good because it's good.
I don't give a fuck about cinematic component of argument because it doesn't apply to this game.

>>716487345
>he's like 6 lines and two missions.
and those lines hold more impact than the entire plot of 6
>20 million dead
>starts humming
>40 million

>>716487203
I'll say that Snail, ALLMIND and Michigan have more of lasting nimpact then all the characters in 4a

>>716473565 (OP)
Good thing they abandoned this piece of junk series and decided to make games that truly matter(eldenring)

>>716487685
Just you wait for elden core.

6 loses a lot of the appeal when you realize the game treats you like you're the chosen one instead of just another mercenary

>>716487203
How does it "prove" anything? Learn to argue like a white person instead of making pig noises.
>>716487328
PCA is just space cops they are boring
>>716487787
You were always the chosen one in these games.

>>716487787
>6 loses a lot of the appeal when you realize the game treats you like you're the chosen one
It literally doesn't

>>716487857
you are in denial
the game literally gives a mission where you succeed the title of raven from someone else

>>716487787
>you're the chosen one instead of just another mercenary
Literally All AC games have done this

>>716487628
AC6 has some interesting characters but you decided to bring up "snarky corpo man" and "loud america man" instead of them. They are also largely inconsequential

>>716487850
>>716487945
>i-it was always like that
retarded take, you can't even get in debt in the game
you're not a mercenary scraping by, you're the big dog walter keeps

>>716488025
>AC6 has some interesting characters
post them

>>716487463
it doesnt accomplish anything because I (the player) do not feel anything from the music but annoyance and irritation. The music should invoke some sort of emotion that enhances the experience and if it cant do that, at the bare minimum at least try to make it sound cool. share your favorite ac4 songs ill tell you what i think about them. Too many songs in ac4 just took me out of the experience and made me think what the fuck were these guys thinking, this sounds fucking terrible.

The music from AC1-3 fits the tone of the game more and at the absolute bare minimum doesnt sound like pretentious autistic shit trying to elevate the game into something beyond what it is. They had a kojima moment with that soundtrack. there is a reason why young people are getting into 90s and 2000s electronic music again, because it sounds fucking cool, its fun to listen to, its totally different than corpo slop, and because zoomers didnt grow up listening to it, to them its brand new uncharted territory. there is a reason early AC music pops up in playstation techno remixes and the like because it just sounds cool and is fun to listen to.

the 7th gen is fucking terrible for this because this was the generation where every game tried to become some melodramatic emotional experience when it didnt need to be. it IS contrived. yes the OST IS pretentious non authentic crap.

>>716488117
Before 6 you were are a mercenary who decides on the fate of the world.
In 6 you are a servant who decides on the fate of the world.

>>716488117
Thy literally rewarded you for getting in debt. You're the king nigga that gets karasawa in like the tenth fucking mission and dicks skynet.
>>716488252
>>716487463
chatgpt argument.

>>716488117
>you're the big dog walter keeps
Walter and 621 were literally scraping by as well so that doesn't work
>you can't even get in debt in the game
Doesn't apply

>>716488282
nah before 6 you were a mercenary who just happened to take increasingly absurd missions
in 6 you're the guy who just magically got chosen by the AI planet thingamajig to ask help

>>716488313
zoomer MINDSET
zoomer TASTES
zoomer ARGUMENT

>>716488459
Yeah pure happenstance you're king nigga that kills the super dupar computar in every game. You're just some nobody that's the bets pilot ever that beats everyone.
>>716488507
Zoomers like mecha more than millennials, so they have good taste.

It's clear none of you play AC games and it's shows especially for 6 which is the most recent one no less like selective memory is a hell of a drug

>>716488610
good morning sir

>>716488610
do they really? damn. didnt realize zoomers are based. i take back everything i told you. fuck millennials.

>Umm actually you're a nobody
>Beats impossible odds like beating Stinger,Nineball, AllMind, Wynne, Sol Dios, CHEIF with starter ACs
Yup Nobody at all

so why did ayre picked you specifically?

>>716488847
Because she didn't exist

>>716488837
Stinger was a jobber
>>716488847
Ayre didn't "pick" you, you just happened to be the one guy there and she got trapped inside your Rubicon brain augments as a tulpa

>>716488847
Play the game again

>>716489089
>>716489135
>i-it was just a coincidence
yep when you toss away narrative design for convenience, that's what we call the chosen one

>>716488815
zoomers plainly fund more mecha projects than millennials did. It's a sharp split between gundam wing and now.
>>716488728
I'm not indian I'm just really drunk.

>>716488252
>I (the player) do not feel anything from the music but annoyance and irritatio
Yeah because you are probably deaf and retarded.
And how the fuck is it "pretentious"?? All "pretentious" means in 4chan speak is "I don't get it" so I am genuinely puzzled how someone could get filtered by slightly unusual rock music.
And AC was nevers afraid of being "emotional"
>it IS contrived
what is contrived?
>yes the OST IS pretentious non authentic crap.
It's not. You don't know what words mean.

>>716489216
It was literally just a coincidence, the Coral thingies don't choose shit, they just get trapped into people's brain during outbreaks.
She would have ended up as Sulla's tulpa if you didn't kill him beforehand, that was ALLMIND's plan to begin with.

>>716488459
There is a reason they give you these missions.

>>716489216
Play the game again

>>716489437
>it's le coincidence xD
that's literally what all "chosen one" shit is retard

>>716488247
Walter was cool I guess

>>716489580
>just one major character
Grim

>>716489491
>play this dogshit again
nope lol

>>716489570
No I mean in older ACs. As you said
>mercenary who just happened to take increasingly absurd missions
it's le coincidence xD

So why does Nineball go after the player so much? Surly can be because he's Chosen since the player can define the fate of corporate was just like that.

>>716489687
you picking your missions and building your fame is not coincidence retard
your mercenary just luckily being the guy that gets picked to save the planet it

So was I was the Chosen one in Last Raven? I wanted to be just a Merc bro not some stupid named title

>>716489580
I thought Iguazu's arc was interesting.

>>716489647
Hope they reveal more new AC content then bro glad to see 6 make that happen

>>716489741
>>716489876
>muh false equivalence
tranny moment

>>716489809
Corporations/other entities are offering *you* the missions.
Same as in AC6, you triumph and decide on the fate of the world because you are the best, the Dominant.

>>716490005
AC6 isn't AC

>>716490082
Why was the player able to change the fate of the world bro I thought they were merca not some pillar of fate

>>716489371
there are multiple issues here. there are songs with guitar and songs that are pretentious and weird for the sake of being weird and standing out.

The guitar tracks really sound like someone had no artistic vision for what the game was supposed to be. there are 100s of ways you can make a guitar sound. the sound they went with in the game is the most generic form of a guitar i can think of and almost sounds like royalty free music. like what a guitar in a commercial would sound like. it sounds like the idea of a guitar. i really like guitar stuff typically in games, i mainly listen to rock if not some form of electronic music. so you would think i would like this. but it sounds extremely lazy FLAT and uninspired. are you really honestly going to tell me that you think the guitar in AC4 isnt something that could have been improved on? it isnt the guitar its the execution. im pretty sure persona or shinmegami tensei or whatever the fuck has plenty of good guitar tracks.

The other tracks i called pretentious i call pretentious because as i said they are just weird for the sake of being weird. that doesnt make them good or pleasant to listen to. the singing is out of place and sounds bad. lots of japanese games do this for some reason where they put in vocals in games that dont need them and its almost always when they are doing this thing where they are trying to make the game seem more emotional or cinematic. and often times it just comes off as incredibly corny and detracts from the game. less is more and often times they has the opposite effect.

yeah i said non authentic because a lot of the music just sounds like they wanted to have certain elements but they never bothered integrating them in a way that made a finished or polished track. i dont remember a SINGLE song from ac4. just my impressions that i have tried to describe to you.

>>716489647
Yeah, I guess if you actually played AC you'd prefer this flavor of dogshit

>>716490249
I see AC in the title, I think you need better reading Anon

>>716473565 (OP)
>>716489647
Why the fuck would ACs turn like tanks anyway? They're mechs, the whole point is that they're articulated. They don't have to turn with just their legs, they should be able to independently move legs, torso, head, and arms. They should turn like people, because the whole point is being a giant mechanical person.

>>716490141
corporations offer those jobs at the start to anybody, you only get "picked" by those corpos to take sensitive jobs after building rep
ayre picking you is pure coincidence and cope because the game wanted you to feel like the chosen one and the protagonist
don't know why you fags try to deny this so much and even go as far as lying about the older games lol

>>716490478
>ayre picking you
Play the game again

>>716490525
>eat this goyslop nowwwww
hmmm nah

Don't mess mess with AC fans!!!
Even we don't play the games we like

>>716490398
Exactly, you can watch any of the cutscenes and they're spinning about and doing crazy shit, so they're clearly not intended to be slowly trundling around. Never mind that they fly about like crazy, what's turning speed versus hovering? Is that better physics?
>>716490587
Eat my goyslop!

>>716490587
So you're making shit up for shit posting good to know then,

>>716490398
are you retarded? the speed at which those mechs in 6 turn will produce more Gs than a boost in 4A

>>716490608
There's been a massive secondary poser problem when it comes with FROM games ever since Dark Souls, unfortunately AC didn't come out of this unscathed and the Tanimura schizo in particular has decided to latch onto this franchise as well

>Caring about realism in mech games
Dire state of AC fans

>>716490691
played the game when it released, not touching that slop again

>>716490708
You're a fucking idiot because no, it's clearly slower the already implausibly violent and ubiquitous quickboost, and also we're talking about human PLUS pilots with some completely unspecified future cockpit/super G suit/nuggetification procedure that we have no details on, and also you're stupid because you're trying to bring in real physics into fucking Armored Core. Kojima particles negate Gs, who gives a shit.

>>716490993
Yet you can't even get the story right at all despite having played it. Sorry Anon I'm afraid it's terminal

>>716490795
No anon you don't get it
AC before AC6 was a hardcore mech sim game with totally realistic movement and physics and real difficulty
Now if you'll excuse me I'll go play a REAL armored core game for REAL armored core fans such as myself

>>716491005
>slower
lmao NPCs really need speed lines and special effects just to understand that a thing is moving fast
a mech of that size and that heavy requires a tremendous amount of force and acceleration to rotate like OP webm

>>716491106
i got bored of the cliche chosen one story when i played 2 years ago, it's inevitable to forget all the boring shit

>>716491184
what game

>>716491197
>NPCs really need speed lines and special effects just to understand that a thing is moving fast
npc's baesed?

>>716491275
Battle Robot Damashii for the PSP

>>716491272
Maybe you'll actually get the story right if you actually played it again but I know that's not possible with you unfortunately. Sad to see your head cannon never see the light

>>716491272
>cliche chosen one story
>a simple merc piloting a mech in a near-vegetable state trying to earn money to get his life back who stumbled and fell face flat into a puddle of sentient subctance that immediately infested his brain and started manipulating him to do its bidding
what the fuck
did you play the same game I did?

>>716490348
There is nothing weird for the sake of weird about the music, it's not pretentiously pretenious. It sounds like it sounds because that's how that artist's music always sounded, there was no need to 'pretend' anything.
You also can't seem to decide whether you think the music is 'flatuninspired' or 'weirdpretentioussakeofit'
Also stop with the "cinematic" retardation, vocals have nothing to do with "cinematicness" no one thinks like this besides you

ZAMN Chosen Ones look like THAT?

>>716491469
you can frame pretty much every chosen one story negatively if you want
>le poor farmer gets forced by the goddess to go on a mission to kill the big bad dragon even if he dies

So I'm the chosen one if I defeat Nineball? Surly that's how it works right?

>>716491576
>>716491659
cope defense force is glitching out lmao

>>716473705
Thanks chatgpt

>>716491469
I mean AC6 is pretty cliched as mecha stories go, right down to the mysterious girl, but I wouldn't call it a chosen one story?

>>716491721
It's literally just Eureka 7

>>716476550
I agree with you 100% BUT ac4 has one of the best OSTs ever

>>716491717
Why are For answer fans like this?

>>716491636
That's a very retarded way to put it but, well, kinda? Would you rather your protag being a cuck merchant in the town while some hero goes on an adventure to slay the dragon?
Go play Sim City or something. Jesus, anon, you're one dumb motherfucker.
Why are you so surprised that story of the game puts protagonist through actual tribulations and epic adventures? And just because it does, doesn't immediately make it 'cliche', learn the actual meaning of the words you use.

>>716490398
you should ask on /m/ thats where i go

>>716491510
im bored of this conversation if you like it im glad. the only other way i can describe it is it sort of sounds like ai music. like they combined a bunch of shit but there was never a human involved at any point in the equation.

People who hate 5th gen are certified gay niggers. Bunch of retarded faggots who shit their pants over the aesthetics and let it color their opinion of the game before they could really take in the gameplay. Verdict Day is a top 3 AC game.

>>716491965
You couldn't be more wrong, it sounds a very particular way because it was made by a very particular human who makes music that sounds a very particular way. There is no "they"

>>716491894
you are mentally ill lmao you just went out of your way imagining arguments and fighting them

>>716490349
Peak. We'll never have this again

>>716473565 (OP)
Why did 6 buck break people so hard despite being a good game?

>>716489876
Sorry, but all AC games rope you into some world saving/ending conspiracy or something. The unimportant gun for hire thing is a bait and switch

>>716492292
>good
here's another normgroid nigger, the perfect mainstream target for AC6 and it's a tranime poster to boot

>>716491965
Why would I go to /m/? My question has nothing to do with gay sex.

>>716492020
You can blame the publisher for only putting the game out on consoles that were obviously too weak for it. 10fps was considered diabolically low even at the time.

>>716492379
achsktyually Formula Front and Ninebreakers don't do this thoughlbeit, fake fan

>>716492386
Anime website but also thanks for proving my point I guess

>>716491894
He just really hates Ayre I think?
Protagonist is the most bestest mercenary who decides on the fate of the world = ok
Protagonist is the most bestest mercenary who decides on the fate of the world (and also gets a tulpa) = no no no wrong you CAN'T do that

getting s ranks in all of acfa hard missions was satisfying as fuck
are there any other games in the series like that?

>>716492292
When the hate posts are suspiciously repetitive, that usually indicates that they are made by the same person.

>>716492628
none, it's the best you'll ever get

>>716492628
Yeah. 6 also has really good missions.

>>716492667
I'm surprised the same ass pre release Demo footage didn't get posted as usual

>>716492582
>he doesn't understand the difference between hard work vs plot convenience
i'm talking to NPCs and bots

>>716492582
It's extra sad because Ayre is functionally the same thing as our old operator waifus from the previous gens

>>716492628
Verdict Day

>>716492761
6 plays like dogshit

>>716492406
oh i typed /m/? my bad i meant /hm/. i got them mixed up.

>>716492823
>hard work
Yeah deliberately getting into debt to get Plus shit is hard work totally bro.
>Inb4 ummm don't use it.....
Lol lmao even

>>716473565 (OP)
can you stop spamming this thread? jesus christ dude its getting obnoxious.

>>716492897
Skill issue. Unironically.

>>716492897
Git Gud

>>716492823
What hard work? It comes to you naturally in both games because you are the best and it's the only path you have. Ayre also isn't the reason you become the most important pilot.
>>716492827
Pretty much. She can even leave you like the lady in AC4A.

>>716493040
>>716493063
>le git gud
>in a game that plays the camera for you
LMFAO

>>716492863
really? I read the SP was still pretty weak in it
I'll give it a try

>>716493013
posting it right away after this one just for you kek

>>716493347
So you're dogshit even with that?
Why do a self own like that? Just git Gud bro

>>716492386
>yet another anon buckbroken by AC6
your tears are delicious.

>>716493372
SP?

>>716493447
why do retards here pretend 6 is a hard game? are you one of those soulstards who got filtered by the helicopter?

>>716493428
i will move all your furniture slightly to the left, i swear to god >:(

>>716493537
single player
the game has way too many unskippable cutscenes too from what I heard

>>716493545
You're the one who's complaining about sucking at it not us bro.

is this like when the weeb retards insisted that RE4 was bad and that I should play the PS1 games with the fucking retarded gimmicky camera instead?

>>716493650
>literally reading imaginary posts
mental illness

>>716493657
no, it's when people say play RE4 original instead of demake

>>716493657
it's like when connoisseurs call re4make trash and they're right

>>716493752
>>716493785
a simple yes would have sufficed

>>716493694
Yeah you seem to be doing that it seems sorry about that Mental Illness

>>716493639
Not really, the cutscenes are short and iirc you can skip them. Anyway, VD is full of short missions with lots of AC vs AC combat with each mission giving you a ranking. There's also a hardcore mode where if you die you die.

>>716482098
its just contrarian autism
its a similar breed of action game fags, being eternally assblasted over other series and styles of games getting more popular (ie souls) and then reaching too hard for gay reasons to hate anything new

if theyre going to shit on the new ACs, they should do it for the right reasons. kind of like im disappointed with very old ACs for the duels being just "walk in circles and shoot without being retarded and you automatically win" simulator, and the middle days of AC for being too much of a mosquitofest, in disappointed with AC6 for the normal enemy encounters being a total joke for 99% the game. i hope we get an AC game where none of the parts of the action stick out as weaker than the rest

>>716494015
normal enemy encounters is the least of 6's problems because the game is just broken fundamentally

>>716494336
how

>>716494015
>its just contrarian autism
It's been clear for a long while now especially when 6 is just an ACE game in its foundation which is not surprising why From did it

>>716494336
if you can say that shit for ac6, you can say it for every game
like yeah, ac6 has issues, stagger system is shit, the only boss that made you actually think a lot about homing projectiles was nerfed to the floor, some balance could be better, they want to make a game around hitbox dodging but it doesnt have a lot of conventions for neat dashing through combos that even Dark Souls 2 had, so you mostly just move completely out of the way, etc
But the overall action is still pretty good and it has lots of great fights, a series-mogging character roster to go with it. If im supposed to hate AC6 for it then the whole series goes into the dumpster by that logic

>>716494721
>the game is shit but it's still good
insane cope post kek

>No argument
You're so fucking stupid it's unreal

>>716494843
Middle generations of AC like AC4A are a completely braindead mosquitofest where you dont have to think about much of anything most of the time, that doesnt completely ruin them
old AC games have a shabby early game and then 70% of the remaining of the game is a joke that only people who had no experience with action games and shooters (i.e 40yos today) would actually struggle with it
doesnt mean i dont have fun with them

if you want non-flawed games youre in the wrong franchise

>>716493945
guess I lose nothing by trying

>>716495046
>AC4A are a completely braindead mosquitofest where you dont have to think about much of anything most of the time
this is the most poser take you see all the time, just keeping the enemy mech on your screen takes more brainpower than anything you do on 6

2nd gen > 1st gen > 4th gen > 6th gen > 3.5th gen > 3rd gen
All great games, even those I rated at the bottom.
I haven't played 5th gen and thus can't place it.
Thoughts?

>>716495204
On what? Your opinion or how people feel about 5th gen?

>>716495191
>quickturn
>firing dual machine guns or kojima cannons or rifles

>>716494015
People have severe rose tinted glasses for the series and basically act as the Zelda Fans for mech games

>>716495275
and it's still harder to do than hard lock on+mash until stagger to pilebunker kek

>>716495191
>the enemy mech on your screen takes more brainpower
It really doesn't especially you can easily beat anything with early game Rifles with ease

>>716495269
Either, or both.
5th gen seems extremely divisive. I want to try it given how much I enjoyed the other games, but not quite enough to obtain an entire console for it. Also I'd ideally like to play it without console performance issues, so I'm waiting and crossing my fingers the emulation issues eventually get fixed.

>People actually think 4 and 4a wasn't the most turn your brain off era of AC
Absolutely bizarre hill to die on

>>716495713
zelda cycle
Last game good, new game bad

>>716495713
you are coping really hard if you claim it's worse than the game with a hard lock on

>>716495829
Both are shit so no try again retard

>>716495882
>le both xD
yeah that's another cope

>>716495949
>NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE
Kill Yourself 4 and 4a were shat on back then and still is now

>>716496095
and still better than 6 kek

>>716495829
the hard lock on is only a big deal in PVP
In PvE its literally irrelevant, its a silly hill to die on: Every enemy is really easy to keep track of by just moving your camera, the soft-lock will perform just as well (actually better) 99.9999% of the time. Unless youre a dumb controller user with a sensitivity so low that it matches the first generation of armored core

I see you’re all preemptively starting the “I hate AC” raids because you know FMC(AC6.5) is going to announced soon.

You niggers are so predictable.

>Yeah skip x game and just go to (4th-6th-8th game in the series) it's better

Do niggers really do this? I feel like you can really appraise the entire series better if you play it from the beginning. If you play it in any other order I don't think you'd be able to actually see how good the games feel over time.

>>716496158
>dumb controller user
6babytard thinks his opinion matters here

>>716496158
I think some bosses kinda encourage hard lock usage with how much they move around (IBIS/Ayre/ALLMIND)

>>716495191
even if that was true (it isnt lol), the significance of having the enemy mech briefly out of your screen in that generation of armored core is so much lower than in any other era
Like seriously, if that happens, either they completely zoomed past you, kept boosting around in some way off retarded direction rather than towards you, or some silly shit like that. So just get back in and keep at what you have been doing for the last 2 minutes

>>716496149
>My shit is better then your shit
Absolutely grim no wonder VD outsold your garbage era

>>716496273
i really dont recall any attack from ayre or ibis that are really problematic
theres only one attack from ayre where it zooms behind you but its a little obvious after once or twice, you can just turn
As for Allmind its more of an unpolished fight, one of her dashes is glitchy and she can end up teleporting

>>716496293
VD sold well from marketing and good word of mouth from 4a
the same way 6 sold well from marketing and good word of mouth from elden ring

>>716496398
>good word of mouth from 4a
Now THIS is some Cope

>>716496269
nothing about the post says you cant be a smart controller user
which you arent evidently, you probably shit your pants at the thought of a keyboard and mouse being superior and even being banned from console tournaments of old AC games

>>716496497
lmao majority of V's sales come from the first week and VD immediately dropped down after people shat on V
you can't be this dense

>>716495502
5 is closer to a traditional AC experience while VD was made from the ground up with multiplayer in mind. And the multiplayer WAS pretty fucking fun. They had unique fights from other games. The last boss in VD was a memberberry but it was a pretty fucking cool one given the massive difference in power between your manlet bot and the thing you were fighting. While it was clearly multiplayer centric it had a bunch of solo only modifiers you could engage in. And designing a UNAC, which itself is just a formula front tier AI, that was actually decent in the regular singleplayer was rather exhilarating if you had autism.

As for divisiveness they changed up the damage formula, slowed the game down, and virtually removed free flight. A lot of people who were practically weaned on 4 and 4a obviously would bounce right off of it.

For the tier list. I don't feel like 1st gen is more enjoyable to replay than 3rd gen (both halfs).

>>716496160
More AC is always good to have only absolute retards would have a problem with this

>>716496627
Thanks for proving my point retard

>>716496664
more 6 is terrible, they need to go back to the drawing board and focus manpower on 7 instead of continuing that shit game

>>716496627
yeah dude im sure its totally because of AC4/AC4A and totally 100% not because of the much more successful demons souls/dark souls

>>716496769
thanks for agreeing that V's sales came from 4a's good reputation
>>716496783
lmao that's even more embarrassing if that's the case

>>716496779
>New game before it gets its expansion
No

>>716496393
Not that anon.
Ayre isn't really a problem. But Ibis is literally designed to act like a fucking crazy nigger who drives their mech like a crackhead and always moves out of your sight and range. I dunno how you could say something so obviously disingenuous when that's the entire fight.

My playthrough hard lock just didn't work and Ibis is probably the only fight I had trouble with every single time.

>>716496875
yes actually, just skip that garbage and pretend it never happened

>>716496858
>4a's good reputation
4a's reputation was getting universally panned and shat on for basically going to far from the series, you're literally on the same boat as 6 fags stop trying to cope for your dog shit

>>716496991
mental illness

>>716496876
she moves around fast, but she never dashes straight out of your screen in a way that you cant keep up by just turning your camera. At most i can imagine it being a controller or low sens specific problem
my loadout was ducketts, lance and missiles with a light mech, i only died once to her first phase but then first-tried her second phase afterwards

>>716496926
Won't happen but whatever I guess From already making it clear ian expansion is gonna happen soon for 6 anyway

>>716497107
>more stagger hard lock on estus slop
grim

Sorry for not replying to the chain but:
>You have to be delusional to think that the previous game being good affects the sales of the next game
This is literally how it's worked for the entire lifetime of the industry. It's genuinely fucking hilarious when you look and see that some of the worst fucking games in any series got the best sales ever because the previous game was good.

>>716496991
>The entire industry are Armored Core purists
This is to the point of denying reality itself for your own morals.

>>716497191
>Armored Core purists
Not them either nope

ac6 haters when it removes hardlock and stagger bar so they need to come up with new reasons why they hate the game they havent played

>>716476252
Yes, the first game is pretty good outside of the last level, PP is okay but the arena is quite fun, and MoA is top tier FromKINO that I dont think will ever be reached again

>>716497385
>when it removes hardlock and stagger bar
making an entirely new game would be easier lol that shit is not happening retard

>>716497385
what
if they removed hardlock and the stagger bar and added back turning speed, it'd be actually good
>[Deleted]
you're a fucking disgrace, kill yourself

>>716497161
Don't worry if you bitch hard enough maybe From will definitely listen

>>716497061
>Never dashes straight out of your screen
Ibis's basic fucking movement is literally zooming to your 180 degree and 2 miles away to snipe you from that far. And even then it's usually completely random in that range so it can end up on your shoulder, just staying in front of you, behind you, and it's all based on your pure reaction speed. The only move I would say doesn't fall under, "Completely disappearing from your sight" is the dickheaded zig zag move.

>>716497191
whaaaaaat no way RE5 is definitely better than RE4 the sales numbers told me so :^)

Snail > Rusty

ac6 haters when the expansion (FMC) removes hardlock and stagger bar so they need to come up with new reasons why they hate the game they havent played

>>716497517
im sorry anon i simply forgot to specify i meant the expansion

Noooo.... AC has fallen.... Billions must fall... From has fallen.... It's over

Stagger pushes the player to only use the best weapons, everything else is punished

>>716497653
Are you stupid?
If they remove hardlock and stagger, that'd prove the haters absolutely right. It'd mean Fromsoft agreed they were bad ideas.

>>716473565 (OP)
I have played every Armored Core game since 1 when they were new, and still own every physical copy.
Literally all of them are good.
Go fuck yourself, fagboi.

>>716497653
>they made the bad game...good!
honestly just goes to show that retards here will defend whatever fromsoft makes regardless of quality

>>716497874
No you can't have a reasonable take like that that's impossible

>>716497764
the "best weapons" are 2/3 the weapons list
most of the retardly overpowered weapons would be overpowered even without the stagger mechanic (ex zimmermans or songbirds)

its much easier to say stagger sucks because the whole system is boring and building a bar into landing cheap hits is boring, and makes the attacks against non-staggered enemies feel too unimpactful

>>716497653
>FMC
What's this supposed to mean.

>>716497764
>everything else is punished
That's a small amount

>>716497853
>that'd prove the haters absolutely right.
Almost nobody who likes AC6 in here thinks these features are good or without issues
Its more about how the same people will keep endlessly sperging about AC6.5 just like with AC6, instead of actually going "oh wow game good now"

>>716497653
i already have a few other reasons why I don't like AC6
>no turning speed, heavies dominate
>lack of part categories to begin with, where's radiator, extension (shoulder), inside units?
>horrifically bad weapon balance, most weapons aren't worth shit when zooks and melee can beat anything in the entire game

There is nothing wrong with lock on
Stagger as it exists is lame, and should not be shown as a status buildup on screen at the very least. I don't know why the sekiro guy ended up cargo culting his own mechanic

>>716498348
stagger would be better if the damage/direct hit multiplier didn't exist, if the meter filled you just simply wouldnt be able to move and thats punishment enough

>>716497650
Hard agree, can't wait for his model kit to come out
speaking of which, the nineball ac kit is back in stock, yippie

>>716497161
Cry about it honestly

>>716498348
stagger sucks dick
Lockon isn't that big of a deal but it does lower skill. And with the speed of projectiles it inarguably hit player movement and maneuvers. While stagger and being able to extend it's fucking duration ensured that even the biggest idiot in existence will be able to land their 100% to 0 combos in pvp.

While in single it's an extra punishment on the player to create false equivalency in a game in which the AI has infinite engine, near infinite heat, and impossible stats.

>muh stagger
Skill issue. Just don't get hit.

>>716485503
I still can't believe they're gone. It's all just another step on their plan, right?

>just don't get hit XD
Shit I guess pvp matches never end against two skilled players

>waahhh
>WAAAHHHH
>some parts are stronger than other parts!
Yeah nigga welcome to ac
You used to pick between karasawa and finger.

>Stop addressing part balance!
and to nobodies surprise the PvP scene died faster than base 5.