Thread 716483541

Portal question: The answer

You have to imagine the door is the entire universe, because it is

>>716483541 (OP)
the vortex in the slipstream launches the guy

>>716483541 (OP)
B cus its more funner

>>716483541 (OP)
portals are not hoops or doors.

>>716486083
A door is literally a portal.

>>716486373
a door has entrance and exit move at the same speed into the same direction.
a portal had entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716483541 (OP)
The better question is if you were just floating in space with a stable velocity and suddenly a portal comes flying to you and there is an asteroid on the other side which is physically getting closer and closer, would you hit it or stop just as the portal passes you?
In fact, there is no answer.

>>716487237
but there is an answer
you already said it
what the fuck

>>716483541 (OP)
PORTALS
DO
NOT
EXIST

>>716486769
ok; then jump up as someone throws a hula hoop down around you. Surely this will increase your trajectory.

>>716488110
And?

>>716486769
a hoop has entrance and exit move at the same speed into the same direction.
a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716483541 (OP)
Doesn't look like a portal to me.

>>716488142
nta but i think that's what he's trying to argue against

>>716486083
Why not?

>>716483541 (OP)
the other thread hasnt hit bump limit you cretin

>>716488195
>a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions
no it doesn't a portal is just one entity, if one side is moving towards you so is the other

>>716488482
a hoop/door has entrance and exit move at the same speed into the same direction.
a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716488541
false.
the whole problem is based on the fact that a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.
this is demonstrated in the game as well.

>>716483541 (OP)
Now imagine the hole that somehow has one half of it not moving.
Yes, that changes everything.

>>716488559
And? Portals don't actually exist so what difference does it make

>>716488541
>no it doesn't a portal is just one entity,
Portals are definitively two entities, the entry portal and exit portal, invariably colored blue and orange in Portal.

>>716488683
the difference is that it's not the same.

>>716488683
Of course. What matters is consistency and layers of impossibility, however. One impossibility is easy to accept. Two impossibilities is less easy. A has two impossibilities, B has one impossibility. Therefore, B is more logically consistent.

>>716483541 (OP)
Suppose we put two cameras on either side of this moving doorway, facing the door. What would they see? Camera one would see you enter the door at X speed, and camera two would see you exit at X speed. Makes sense, right?

Now, we do the same, except with portals. And, as in the original problem, we make the exit portal stationary relative to the environment. What are the cameras going to see? Camera one sees you enter the portal at X speed. And camera two would see you exit at X speed. Of course it would. What else would you expect to happen? Whatever goes in, must come out. It's just a doorway, right?

So yeah you are moving at X speed relative to the environment when you exit the portal. QED

>>716488726
Ok but the analogy doesn't change the difference that it's A. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck

>>716488645
no it doesn't, it's a single entity because it's just a piece of space

>>716488717
>the entry portal and exit portal
factually wrong, does one side of the portal work without the other one? no, because the are functionally the same

>>716488645
>this is demonstrated in the game as well.
They literally did not allow the player to keep portals on a moving surface specifically to avoid these retarded no-answer scenarios.

>>716488142
>It's not a hula hoop
>Okay then what if we take this hula hoop...
Terminal hula hoop brain

>>716488821
It does change the difference though. By having the exit portal immotile, the object has to achieve velocity to exit the exit portal.

i genuinely hope Afags failed at physics because its inconceivable that they got good grades when learning spacial relativity

>>716488821
the apology changes completely.
it's never A. it never works like A. not in the games not in any examples. A is never consistent. B is always consistent.

>>716488826
>factually wrong, does one side of the portal work without the other one?
Yes. You have to shoot one portal and it just sits there, untraversable, until you shoot the other. Have you not played Portal, the video game in question?

>>716488826
>factually wrong, does one side of the portal work without the other one? no, because the are functionally the same
Yeah, the cube moves relative to both

>>716488826
a piece of space where the entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716488862
portal 2 demonstrates it in the ending, showing logic consistent with B.

>>716488902
>untraversable
So it doesn't work then.
Concession accepted.

>>716486083
>play dwarf fortress
>make glass door
>is called portal
check mate autists

>>716488976
>So it doesn't work then.
It works just fine, as one portal with no exit.

>>716489001
>As one portal with no exit.
So it doesn't work. Concession accepted.

>>716488949
The ending where you open a portal into a vacuum? No, that really doesn't demonstrate the same principle.

>>716488949
B of the original >>716488645 problem mind you.

the op image is disingenuous >>716483541 (OP) and actually has A and B reversed. A in op is consistent with B in original problem.
while B in op is not consistent with anything other than A-fags false understanding of how things work.

>>716488949
The entrance and exit are the same point in space, the orange and blue portals are markers showing the two linked points which have become one

>>716488949
>a piece of space
>entrance and exit
lol

If the blue portal moves towards you and the orange portal moves opposite to you, how do you explain the closer you are to the blue portal the closer you are to the orange portal?

>>716489065
It works just fine, as one portal with no exit.

>>716483541 (OP)
The door frame is not carrying the world along with it, it is moving independently of the area behind it that you enter into. A portal has the entire area inside it moving toward you at the same speed as the portal itself.

>>716489187
>as one portal with no exit
So it doesn't work, got it.
Concession accepted.

>>716489165
The orange portal isn't moving.

Atards can't imagine what they would've felt like if they didn't have breakfast yesterday.

>>716489234
It works just fine, as one portal with no exit.

>>716489252
If it isn't moving how comes the closer you are to the blue portal, the closer you are to the orange portal?

>>716489123
you don't open a portal into the vacuum, you open a portal to the moon, which is moving at incredible speeds relative to the earth and the entrance portal.
the fact that you don't instantly fly away into space like A would suggest, demonstrates that it's B.
in fact the game could never work at all if it was A because you couldn't laugh much yourself like you do in the game to solve a lot of puzzles.

>>716489151
false. the entrance and exit of a portal are at different points in space. that's what makes it a portal and ot a door.

>>716489165
you are only closer to the orange portal after you pass through the blue portal. never before. because it's not a door.

>>716489289
>it works just fine, it just doesn't do what it is meant to do
Concession accepted.

>>716489313
Your proximity to the blue portal means absolutely nothing to your proximity to the orange portal. Indeed, you may very well be moving away from it.

>>716489375
laugh much = launch

>>716489392
A portal without an exit isn't meant to do anything. It's only one half of an equation.

>>716488110
retardanon, i...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

>>716489375
>you are only closer to the orange portal after you pass through the blue portal
The portal is, as per your explanation, at the other end of the blue portal. So if the blue portal is gettinc lose to you, so is the other end which is why when you cross over you are next to it.
So, again, if the orange portal is not moving towards it how comes you are getting closer to it?

It's a simple question.

What about gravity suddenly changing direction?

>>716483541 (OP)
do B fags really think this is a gotcha and not just gay porn??

>>716489416
>Your proximity to the blue portal means absolutely nothing to your proximity to the orange portal
But you argued that the orange portal is the exit of the blue portal It's impossible that your proximity to one is irrelevant to your proximity to other.

Explain this.

>>716489478
i think he gave you a pretty simple answer actually

>>716489478
no. only blue side is getting closer to you.
the orange side is getting farther away from me.
when you cross the threshold of the portal now the orange side is close to you and blue side far from you. this is how portals work. because they aren't doors.

>>716489571
it's possible because portals aren't doors. and can have an entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716489615
>only blue side is getting closer to you.
>the orange side is getting farther away from me
If the orange side is getting away from you, how comes you are getting closer to it every time the blue portal gets closer to you? If that wasn't the case, you wouldn't end up next to the orange portal after crossing.

>>716489571
>But you argued that the orange portal is the exit of the blue portal
Exit due to their linkage through spacetime, not because they are one essential object.

>>716489695
>how comes you are getting closer to it every time the blue portal gets closer to you?
You aren't.

>>716489710
>linkage through spacetime
>they are one essential object

>>716489781
Incorrect.

>>716489756
>You aren't.
If you aren't, why do you end up next to the orange portal when you cross over?

>>716489695
you are not getting closer to the orange portal. you are getting closer to the blue portal, which has the whole universe from the perspective of the orange portal on the other side.
the orange portal is getting farther away from you until you pass through the blue portal. then you are closer to the orange portal and farther away from the blue portal.

>>716489375
Holy fucking retard.
>The moon isn't a vacuum.
Sorry, a near vacuum, air is still going to rush to fill that vacant space you mouthbreather.

>>716489796
Incorrect. You literally just argued that I'm right.

>>716489914
>you are not getting closer to the orange portal
If you are not getting closer to the orange portal how comes you are getting closer to it as long as the blue portal is closing in on you?

>>716489848
because you got close to the blue portal.

>>716489916
air is irrelevant to this question.
if it was A you would get instantly ripped away from the exit portal at the speed of the moon moving relative to earths entrance portal. you would hang in space at a relative coordinate of the entrance portal and moon would be flying away from you very quickly.
or if the angle was unfortunate, you would get instantly splattered on the surface.
only way the ending can work if it's B.

>>716489940
>telling a child to fuck a dog
Let's check this guy's early life section.

>>716489996
you are not getting closer to it.
you have a faulty logic of the situation.

>>716490053
If I got close only because of the blue portal, how comes I ended up next to the orange portal?

>>716490125
because that's how portals work.
your proximity to the blue portal is irrelevant to the fact of how far the orange one is.
because it's not a door.

>>716490120
>you are not getting closer to it
If I'm not getting close to it, how comes I ended up next to him after crossing over?

A-tards are flat earhters, it's the only way their model works.

>>716490180
because that's how portals work, they can have an entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

If you do the Portal 2 thing and open a portal between the Earth and moon (and just to keep it simple let's say the Earth side portal is opened inside a sealed vaccuum chamber so all the atmosphere doesn't drain away) will their gravity start doing weird things to each other now that they're practically touching?

>>716487237
Surely you jest

I've always just liked to think it can work both ways, just depends on how it's implemented under the hood (in the game engine or however the universe works to make the portals work).

>>716489470
not real

>>716490172
>your proximity to the blue portal is irrelevant to the fact of how far the orange one is
You are literally agreeing with me. If their supposedly separate positions were relevant it would be because they are separate. By saying that they are irrelevant you re implicitly agreeing that they are the same entity.

>>716490271
I believe tides would at least become noticeably stronger. Dunno what other effects would apply if it's treated like a physical connection.

>>716490257
>because that's how portals work
Not an argument.
>they can have an entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions
If this is the case, how comes I can get closer to the orange portal as long as the blue portal is moving towards me?

>>716490053
As opposed to the B solution where you are launched back into Earth at the relative speed of Earth.
If we really want to get anal the compressive forces from opening a hole into space should have obliterated everything in that room.

>>716483541 (OP)
It's B. The entire universe is moving towards him too. That is literally what a moving portal does.

>>716490271
we don't know how gravity waves work.

>>716490282
it can't work both ways. for the game to work and for the ending to work they can only be shown as B.
if it was A you couldn't launch yourself with portals that are angled differently to each other.

>>716490332
I am not agreeing with you, you are arguing the opposite point, from a standpoint of a logical fallacy.

>>716490402
you don't get closer to the orange portal, this is a logical fallacy.

>>716490431
no, that is not how B would work. that's how you think B would work because you're an A-fag that doesn't understand how B works.
how B works is how it's shown in the game.

Isn't that a case of BOTH portals moving?

>>716490431
How destructive is compression from (presumably) one atmosphere into a vacuum? I know those diving bell accidents but I think there was decent bit more pressure differential there.

>>716490552
>you don't get closer to the orange portal
So you are arguing that this is safe for the guy in the drawing? I mean, if the portal is going away from him, there should be no risk, right?

>>716490645
only if they're moving in the same direction and at the same speed.

>>716490552
>it can't work both ways. for the game to work and for the ending to work they can only be shown as B.
>if it was A you couldn't launch yourself with portals that are angled differently to each other.
Both ways as in that it's implemented as either A or B, not both. A game engine might handle only one case, because there might be a puzzle design constraint or whatever.

>>716490552
>I am not agreeing with you
Yes you are.
If you weren't you wouldn't say their relative positions are irrelevant because it's their relative positions that make the solutions different.

>>716490685
it's not safe because he's moving closer to the blue portal.
he is not moving closer to the orange portal.
you have a logical fallacy hang up.

>>716490765
>it's not safe because he's moving closer to the blue portal
But you just said the positions of the portals are irrelevant.
The orange portal is moving to some other direction and is a completely different entity so you are saying that it's safe.

>>716490765
>he is not moving closer to the orange portal
If he's not moving closer to the orange portal then it's safe for him. That's what you are saying.

>>716490756
the game wouldn't work if it was implemented like A.
you couldn't solve most of the puzzles.

>>716490760
I am not.
your position to the blue portal doesn't play a role to your position tongue orange portal.
their relative speeds and positions matter because that's what yhe original problem is, and why A-fags can't understand relative frames of reference.

>>716490834
you again produce a logical fallacy because you dont understand what's happening.
you can be moving away or towards the blue portal, and it would play no relevance to your position to orange portal.
if you pass through the blue portal the situation is then reversed.

>>716490942
that is not what I'm saying.
he is moving farther away from the orange portal but closer to the blue portal.
and it is unsafe.
if you can't resolve this, you won't be able to understand this.

>>716483541 (OP)
>hulahoops fags are so stupid they end up starting new threads by mistake

Portal 3 will be released when /v/ definitively solves this question and writes the physics for it.

>>716491064
Is this why Gaben reads all those emails?

>>716491064
The question has been definitively solved though. The problem is that A-tards are quite literally too retarded to understand it.

>>716491042
>I am not
Ok.
>your position to the blue portal doesn't play a role to your position tongue orange portal
So you are in fact agreeing with me.

>>716491064
there is nothing to solve. portal 1 and 2 have concretely and unquestionably demonstrated that it can only be B.

>>716490942
>If he's not moving closer to the orange portal then it's safe for him.
This is not a logical conclusion.

Pack it up B faggots. You are genuinely retarded.

>>716491042
>you couldn't solve most of the puzzles.
I guess, since I liked messing around with clipping part-way into portals and skipping puzzles outright

>>716483541 (OP)
It's neither.

>>716491119
no.
you argue that by getting closer to the blue portal you are getting closer to the orange portal. which is false.

>>716491159
PT 2 for the frame of refence copers (you don't actually understand what that even means)

>>716491159
>a fags are ai-jeets
It all makes sense now. No wonder they don't understand high school physics.

>>716491159
>hides the prompt
Concession?
Accepted.

>>716488717
False, stepping through a portal is just like stepping through a doorway. It makes two different places in the universe the same place, somehow.

>>716491042
>you can be moving away or towards the blue portal, and it would play no relevance to your position to orange portal
The entire problem relies on the relevancy of the positions of the portals and the object going through them.

>>716483541 (OP)
The hula hoop analogy is actually consistent with the original b, not a
afags cannot grasp this fact and continue to eternally btfo themselves every time they post it

>>716491246
>False, stepping through a portal is just like stepping through a doorway.
No it isn't. Mostly because doorways can't have half their operational spacetime not moving.

>>716491205
>which is false
How?
The closer you are to the blue portal, the closer you are to the orange portal.

Prove this statement wrong.

How does the rotation of Earth affect portals?

>>716491312
You seem to think the orange portal exists on the backside of the blue portal, and not occupying its own independent location in spacetime.
But the blue portal does not have a backside.

>>716491257
yes.
but you being closer to the blue portal gives no information whether you are getting closer or farther away from the orange portal.
because portals aren't doors and can have entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716491312
because a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.
which means you can be getting closer to the blue entrance portal while getting away from the orange exit portal.
because portals are not doors.

>>716491223
Sorry Ranjeet Gupta, you can project all you want but only third world brownoids think it's B.

>>716491042
>he is moving farther away from the orange portal
If he's moving away from the orange portal then he should be safe, because he is moving away from the danger.

Do you understand I'm arguing in a way that is forcing you to admit that A is correct, right? have you not realized this yet?

>>716491397
>he can make up an indian name other than pajeet on the spot
pajeet

>>716491221
>if the cube gains velocity then it must have been acted upon
Correct, however a close observation reveals that the cube did, in fact, gain velocity

>>716491397
>I'm not brown you're brown
The mind of Jeet truly is something to revile..

>>716491409
false.
him getting away from the orange portal has no relevance for whether it is safe or not.
only his movement relative to the blue portal has relevance to the danger.

>>716491394
>information
This is completely irrelevant. You don't have to understand if you are getting closer or not for it to happen.

If the blue portal closes in on you, so does the orange portal. You can't argue this simple point.

>>716491409
yes it is very understandable that you're arguing for A because it's based on logical fallacies with no consistency other than the use of logical fallacies.

>>716491610
But you are the one arguing for A you are just too low IQ to realize. The drawing is a literal example of why B would be the solution but you are arguing against it because you are autistic and don't like people disagreeing with you so you took the contrarian approach.

>>716491567
information is not understanding.

information is information.
a cube being in space with zero references gives no information to the motion of the cube. it could be moving million kilometers per second but it would be impossible to tell.


a blue portal getting closer to me has no relevance for the position of the orange portal to me.
because a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716483541 (OP)
gravity not same

>>716491520
>him getting away from the orange portal has no relevance
B argue the opposite. The hulahoop argument relies on the movement of the portal separately being irrelevant for it to work as the solution.

it's meaningless
Portal cant stay on surface thats moving

>>716491817
false.
my argument is B.
the hoolahoop argument relies on the movement of the portals being in the same direction with the same speed, which makes them a hoolahoop.
because a hoop has entrance and exit move at the same speed into the same direction.
a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716491880
false. play portal 2.

>>716491727
>a blue portal getting closer to me has no relevance for the position of the orange portal to me
This is irrelevant and a blatant attempt at moving the goalposts. The portals are moving independet of your knowledge or information about them.

If the blue portal closes in on you, so does the orange portal. If you know or not this is completely irrelevant and even if you know, nothing changes either because the blue portal is still moving towards you and so is the orange portal.

>>716490685
I do not understand what is happening in this picture

>>716491941
>>716491941
>false.
>the hoolahoop argument relies on the movement of the portals being in the same direction with the same speed
>>716491817
>The hulahoop argument relies on the movement of the portal separately being irrelevant

You are so retarded you are arguing against your own argument unknowingly. I'm sorry for your caretaker.

>>716491817
you're confusing relevance of the subject getting closer to one portal and relevance of the portals moving relative to each other.

So what happens if you have two portals on the ground, one of them is moving sideways, and you drop a cube into the sideways moving one. Does the cube eject straight up from the other end, or does it eject at an angle?

>>716492049
you have posted two separate views, which are also nothing to do with what we were talking about either.

I don't understand why we keep having these threads. Per game mechanics the answer has always been B. Is it just le funny shitposting?

>>716492062
You can't have one without the other. The one confused is you.

>>716492108
Straight up

>>716483541 (OP)
>In A the chair remains "unmoving" next to the door even as the door continues moving, carrying the chair along with it
>In B the door passes over the chair with no issue and continues making distance between them
Basically, yeah

>>716492108
depends on the angle of the portals and how the cube enters them

>>716492150
yes you can.
you can have both portals be stationary and you moving closer to one.
you can have two of them moving and you getting closer to one.
the interplay of how they move between each other is what is relevant.

>>716489470
>A wormhole is a hypothetical structure that connects disparate points in spacetime.

Literally in the first fucking sentence of the article. You niggers need to learn how to read

B fags are not arguing from some literal physicist breakdown of portals and their flaws

They're arguing from their lack of understanding of basic intuition and video game physics

They're dumb as hell lol

>>716483541 (OP)
Classic hoop-tards.

>>716492132
Factually wrong. My argument is consistent.
>if their movement are relevant, the drawing is right which shows you are dumb
>if their movement is irrelevant A is the solution which shows you are dumb
The one dancing around between "their movements are irrelevant" and "their movements are relevant" is you.

I simply cornered you into a situation in which you admit to be wrong or you keep showcasing your stupidity over a petty argument.

>>716492283
A*

>>716492143
In game mechanics say it's A. There are custom maps that make moving portals but chell has to be moving as well for her to go through them because of game limitations.

>>716492332
movement towards what?
this is what you're confused about. rephrase your argument with relevant informstion and I will give you an accurate answer.

>>716492342
B*

>>716492416
the game mechanics say it's B. if it was A you couldn't launch yourself.

>>716492265
>depends on the angle of the portals and how the cube enters them
Portals are perfectly flat on the ground, one of them is moving sideways, cube drops straight in the middle of the moving portal.
Really the answer depends on if you think the classic portal question is A or B, because either the cube inherits the sideways movement or it doesn't.

>>716492416
I thought that a moving portal in a custom map cannot pass over any object

>>716492283
B:
>Intuitive
>Logical
>Literally what's in the games already
>Speed in = speed out

A:
>B-but conservation of momentum
>What do you mean "relative", what's the actual speed tho
>Muh hula hoops

>>716489470
retard watched interstellar and thought it was based on a true story

>>716492474
Game mechanics say speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out

>>716492482
with B it would exit sideways at the same angle it entered sideways, dictated by the speed of fall and speed of portal creating an angle.

>>716492423
>movement towards what
Who are you quoting?
The post you replied to says nothing of moving towards anything at all.

Nice attempt at deflecting.

>>716492382
You must reckon you're in the top percentile, then

So explain B to me

>>716492549
So B then

>>716489538
If you stop the portal halfway instantly does the giant knife snap in half?

>>716492474
It's A. You can make custom maps that replicate the test and the outcome is A. Every single instance that chell gets launched in the standard portal maps only happens because chell herself is the one moving (or falling), the portals themselves never move.

>>716492549
correct. that is B.

>>716492567
that's what I'm saying.
you're missing the key piece of information that changes the outcome. the relative movement.
until you understand this you will not understand the problem.

>>716492549
Yes.
Speed is relative btw

>>716492593
If I give you the answer you never learn

>>716492265
>yes you can
No you can't.

If the subject moves towards one portal, it moves towards the other portal. If that wasn't the case, the subject wouldn't end up next to the exit portal once it crossed the threshold.

>>716492646
>You can make custom maps that replicate the test and the outcome is A.
No, the game isn't programmed to handle it.

>>716492660
Relative to what?

>>716492651
>you're missing the key piece of information that changes the outcome. the relative movement.
This is a non reply.

If the blue portal is moving towards [thing] so is the orange portal. The object is always moving relative to the blue portal and the orange portal. If it weren't, then B wouldn't possibly be the solution.

>>716492646
no. because A means that changing the angle wouldn't work either. You couldn't launch yourself unless the angle was the same. at which point you would just be walking through a door.
launching yourself requires change in angle, which A can't work with.

>>716492681
false.
a subject can be moving towards one portal while moving away from the other end of the a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.
why do you refuse to read this what I have posted 25 times in this thread?

>>716492646
The only in game replication that I've ever seen results in the cube getting crushed by the portal on the moving platform, and the platform being forced to stop before the cube can be swallowed because the engine can't handle moving portals

>>716492675
Anon, *I* know the answer. I know my own arguments. The point is, if you're smarter than me, you should be able to understand the same. So, show me you understand, and then I'll let you attempt a refutation.

>>716492621
>giant knife
This is what we get for training AIs with captchas of cultury and not porn

force is mass times acceleration
the cube has mass
it accelerates when it comes out the portal
the portal applied force
>>716488541
>hoopposting Afag has literally no idea what the mechanic is and obviously hasn't played the game
>>716491221
>le portals don't interact with things meme
if they didn't interact with all objects and lightwaves that touch them you wouldn't be able to walk or look through them, they do interact with things that cross them. and if one side of a portal meets a cube at X speed, then the cube leaving the other side at X speed is the equal and opposite reaction, before some air resistance

>>716492857
>a subject can be moving towards one portal while moving away from the other end
And yet, a subject that moves towards the blue portal, moves towards the orange portal.

I am standing at rest halfway between portals O and B.
Both portals are arranged in such a manner that they are even across the ground, there is angle offset.
Portal O is situated on a mobile platform.
Portal O's platform accelerates to 200km/h in 1s.
What happens to me?

>>716492838
false.
a hoop has entrance and exit move at the same speed into the same direction.
a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.
it is always B and you can't understand that if a blue portal moves towards the subject it doesn't mean that the orange portal is moving towards the subject.
because a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.
because that is the whole crux of the portal problem. and you fail to understand it

>>716492858
That's why I said chell has to be moving, it works when YOU go through it under the condition that you move a bit while youre getting portalled.

>>716492768
Whatever you choose to measure against
In this case, the portal, though

>>716492954
The platform kills you because the portal cant be on a moving surface

>>716492527
>Speed in = speed out


There is no speed, you fucking clown

the object is stationary, the hole is moving at it.

Speed in would be the object being flung into the initial portal

B fags dont even understand the basic physics of the game, they're that stupid

>>716492978
What if I choose relative to the room?

>>716492952
it does not.
because a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716493024
without speed you can't pass through a portal. movement is speed.

B retards unironically think that if the non-existing, fictional thing, that works like a window frame, will pass wrapping them, they will somehow gain it's velocity. How dumb can a person be?

>>716490274
No. Intuition tells me that the world in the portal relative to you is accelerating, but the world outside it is one where your velocity is stable. Mind, nothing is really still in the universe. It is not possible to explain what happens when you instantly change from one referance frame into another.

>>716493062
What's the distance between entrance and exit?

>>716493024
speed is relative. without speed you can't move through, or towards or away from something.
if a cube passes through a portal it has speed. because without speed it wouldn't be passing or closing with the portal.
you can't be stationary and moving

>>716493024
Anon watch just the blue portal as the cube emerges from it
Does the cube have a velocity or speed?

>>716492965
>a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions
The closer you are to the blue portal, the closer you are to the orange portal. It doesn't matter what their supposedly independent speed and direction is.

>>716492965
>if a blue portal moves towards the subject it doesn't mean that the orange portal is moving towards the subject.
Well, it does and it doesn't - that's the weirdness of moving portals, that something (really everything) can be moving and not moving at the same time. However, when Afriends insist "the portals move together" they are conflating things, and they consider it "moving" at times they should be considering it "not moving". Essentially, they always prioritise one over the other and consider that objective truth, when it's really a matter of perspective.

>>716492902
I assumed the line was like the indent here because the other post had a knife. I actually thought it was a dick at first but second guessed myself
I still demand an explanation from b-fags about how it works if the moving portal stops before actually enveloping the object.

This will get zero (you)s

>>716493151
i dun get it

>>716493062
>a portal has entrance and exit move
Space doesn't move you are sorely confused about why B is the solution.

>>716493281
(You)r animation is objectively correct.

>>716493024
Anon, let's play a little game here. Why do you suppose I would say that the cube has speed? Do you think I don't have eyes? Or could it be that there is something going on here that's going over your head?

I imagine you're no stranger to the latter scenario so you really ought to be quicker to accept it.

>>716493146
not relevant, can be anything and it wouldn't change a thing.

>>716493216
false.
it can only be true if they are moving in the same direction with the same speed towards you, like a door.
but a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716493289
when a portal is moving the whole universe behind it moves relative to itself, because of the changing frames of reference and relative speeds and directions of the portals entrance and exit.

>>716493281
It will only get zero you's because it so simply and clearly explains why b is true, afags cannot work around such a clear explanation

There are a million variations of this image because it's such an obvious argument and Atards have never refuted it
>if the guy is stationary and he gets punched by the fist, the fist must have been moving
>if the fist is stationary and gets headbutted by the guy, the guy must have been moving
>if both are stationary, they can never come in to contact

>>716493285
Afag analogy of a room with a hole engulfing the stationary cube (the room has to stop moving).

>>716493371
>when a portal is moving the whole universe behind it moves
If the whole space moves then so does the orange portal (because it is in space) thus you are providing a self-defeating argument.

>>716492537
But black science man said it was based on a true story

>>716493371
>can be anything and it wouldn't change a thing
If it's zero then obviously it would change a lot of things.

>>716493029
Then... same thing. You're standing in the room, looking at the cube through the blue portal, and you see it moving. The blue portal and room are stationary within the same frame of reference, so any movement relative to one is also movement relative to the other.

>>716493167
Afags' entire case is not understanding something this simple

>>716493476
where have I said that the orange portal wasn't moving? it's not relevant whether it's moving or not. unless it's moving in the same direction and same speed as the blue portal.

>>716493517
obviously. but you may as well say if you clipped one thing into another.

Next time I see this thread I fully expect it to be arguing in favor of A, and then the time after that it's B, and then A again.
Truly a skub of all online arguments.

>>716493371
>it can only be true if they are moving in the same direction with the same speed towards you
You are once again arguing a completely opposite point simply because I argued the opposite to it.

If the orange portal is flying away from you and the blue portal is flying into you, you are still getting closer to the orange portal. Which is exactly why you end up next to the orange portal once you cross over.

>>716493625
>>716493437
This is not the original presented argument.

>>716487237
>>716493137
Well, B would simply answer that your speed relative to the portal going in is your speed relative to the portal going out. Whatever happens next depends on whatever is on the other side and how those things are moving.

>>716493703
everything I've said itt has been consistent with itself and the B argument.

>If the orange portal is flying away from you and the blue portal is flying into you, you are still getting closer to the orange portal.
false.

>>716493758
>But I did have breakfast this morning.

>>716493758
but it is?

>>716493417
If b were true, cube would fly, retardo

>>716493867
That is indeed the point

>>716493647
Well then? Is the distance between entrance and exit zero?

>>716493903
Then b is not true, because the cube stays still, what is your point?

>>716483541 (OP)
nonsense bait, I can smell the poo on you from here

>>716493758
It's a demonstration that any object exiting a stationary portal must have speed.

>>716493805
>>716493851
The fist will hit the face assuming that the distance between the face and the portal equals the length of the arm.
Momentum has nothing to do with this.

The dick will enter the strawman's anus for the same reason. It is being passed through the portal.

>>716493932
the distance is anything that it can be without using video game model logic of clipping. so any distance that would fit the two portals without clipping.
the distance wouldn't change anything.

>>716493647
>where have I said that the orange portal wasn't moving?
No, you see, you are misunderstanding.
You argument was that "the entire universe moves" when the blue portal moves which is a brutally retarded concept to begin with but I'll roll with it for the sake of the argument.
If the entire universe moves in unison lets say "to the left" to accommodate blue-portal movement moving "to the right" (because that's how relativism works) then, by definition, the orange portal moves in accordance with the universe which cancels out blue-portal's movement.

>>716493867
The animation shows why b is correct, you retard

>>716494004
everything has momentum, every single molecule.
it doesn't matter if you have more molecules behind it or not for this case, it will still have momentum.
the amount of molecules only dictates the mass.

relative velocity in = relative velocity out
It's B

>>716494072
I don't see the cube getting velocity, nor the platform, you retard. It goes through the frame and stays still.

>>716494097
It's A

>>716493771
>everything I've said itt has been consistent
That's just plain wrong. You've contradicted yourself like half a dozen times or something.

>false
False, if it wasn't true then you wouldn't be next to the orange portal once you crossed the portal threshold.

>>716494097
okay but in this example it's clearly A

relative velocity in = relative velocity out
It is B

>>716493974
Anon, that animation was specifically made to show why a is false, it was made so that the cube would instantly stop moving without any force acting on it, how can you watch this without realising that it's clearly not how the world works?

>>716494097
The answer is B in this. Which is A in the common problem.

relative velocity in = relative velocity out
It's still B

>>716494028
Why do you treat the portal like an actual 3D object teleporter instead of a 2D pane connecting two spaces like how it's presented in-universe? Anyway, any positive distance you give me would be contradicted by me pulling out a measuring tape and putting it through the portal.

>>716494202
It's A again, I'm pretty sure the game even supports this with instances of you falling through portals and not having enough momentum so you just fall backwards.

>>716494135
Watch the cube as it exits the blue portal

>>716494278
A

Mythbusters proved it.

>>716494046
That doesn't sound right but I haven't been following your entire stupid conversation so could you both restate your positions?

>>716494205
>made to show why a is false,
What? In A the cube doesn't move, and in the animation too, what is your point?

>>716494097
>relative velocity in = relative velocity out

this literally proves A, you absolute retard, its the b fags adding extra velocity to a stationary object

>>716494194
If it was A here, he'd be ripped apart when he's halfway through the portal. One half of his body is moving toward the portal at 5km/h while the other half of his body is moving away from the portal at 105km/h

>>716494271
B here is B in the common problem by the same principle of relative velocity in = relative velocity out

>>716494271
It really isn't. Your failure to understand this is why you think it's A in the first place.

>>716494278
neither would happen because the man would be pushed out by the winds going through the portal

>>716494408
>he'd be ripped apart when he's halfway through the portal
yes and? that's not an argument against it being A

>>716494383
The point is that the animation is showing something that any baboon should be able to tell, intuitively, is absolutely ridiculous.

>>716494432
The air is actually stationary though so it would just plop out of the portal.

>>716490335
A fags are fine if it was literally one atom that went through. The rest of the box pushes it and gives it momentum. Same with the office chair, once the wheel is through the floor is proceeding behind it so the chair will move forward.

>>716494046
the whole universe on the other side of the portal is moving relative to itself, that's why you can see things on the other side get closer when the portal is going towards you, because it has the entire universe behind it.
it's not relevant if you are the only thing moving relative to the entire universe, or the entire universe is moving towards you, the result is relative movement between you and the entire universe.

>let's say to the left
relative to what

>>716494179
provide examples and I'll explain why you're wrong.

because portals can have an entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions relative to each other, you are only close to the orange portal, and far from the blue portal after you pass through the portal.
before that you can be getting close to the blue portal and farther away from the orange portal.
unless both the orange and the blue portals were moving in the same speed and same direction, like a door, and on a vector towards you.

>>716494279
because it becomes a game engine conversation and not a physics conversation and I have no interest in that. and it has no relevance to the presented problem.
I'm not treating it as a 3d object either.

>>716494350
>That doesn't sound right
Then you are as retarded as him.

>could you both restate your positions?
I just chimed in two posts ago. The rest of the conversation is not important to me because I'm talking about something particular said 2 or 3 posts ago.

>>716494506
By the same principle, Chell would be ripped apart by the sideways speed of the Moon (2k mph) during the Portal 2 ending sequence. Instead we see B in action.

>>716494573
>relative to itself
You have no idea what relativity is. You need to stop.

>>716488646
Retard.

B fags are right about the relative velocity. They are missing however the fact, that the relative velocity in question is relative to the enter portal. Relative to the exit portal, which doesn't move, the object stays still, and therefore when it enters the enter portal, it will exit still and bop out, just like A shows. A is true.

you niggers have fought over this shit for almost 2 decades

>>716494673
Yes the game is wrong and doesn't model things correctly. Isn't that the whole crux of the argument?

>>716494597
So what is your argument
A or B

>>716494703
the whole crux of the portal problem is having two reference frames inside one physical space.
because a portal had entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716494714
One of the fundamental shortcomings of Afags is that they can't fully conceptualise portals and thus keep reaching for flawed real-world analogies.
Where is the "tunnel" inside the portals, genius?

>>716494825
None. I'm just pointing fingers at retarded statements.
What's the problem, you need a clear answer so you can start having an autistic meltdown or something?

>>716494573
> a game engine conversation
I'm talking in-universe, not in-engine.
>I'm not treating it as a 3d object either.
You are when you talk about clipping.

Let me try it a different way. What's the travel time to go from the entrance to the exit at walking speed?

>>716494785
and where did all the velocity go then

>>716494785
Absolute gibberish, 0/10, try again

>>716494941
in universe you can't put portals inside each other, there needs to be a distance enough to accommodate a portal. you can put them next to each other.

>travel time
0

>>716494947
What velocity, B-fag?
The velocity of the moving platform? Why would that be transferred to the cube?

>>716495010
>>travel time
>0
What does that tell you about the distance between entrance and exit?

>>716490120
Logic is not countable, thirdie.

>>716494785
Now apply that idea to any individual molecule in the cube. If all the molecules just plop out, you'll have a flattened cube next the exit portal. If the molecules instead can push each other out of the way, you've just reinvented B with circuitous logic.

>>716494918
No, I'm just trying to figure out if you're making an Afag argument as you seem to be, or if I misunderstand. And surely you have to be able to tell me which answer would be implied by your argument.

>>716495054
>The velocity of the moving platform? Why would that be transferred to the cube?

>>716488110
Explain the big bang then

>>716495054
box is moving towards the exit, and it exists the portal
where does the velocity of its movement relative to the exit go?

This thread is so full of tourists holy shit

Listen newfags. EVERYONE KNOWS ITS' A. It's so fucking obvious, we are not retarded

But people pretend that it's B to troll newfags. It's a very old /v/ tradition. This is why B (the troll answer) has so many gifs/graphs/memes while A (the obvious answer) has nothing

>>716494874
>the whole crux of the portal problem is having two reference frames inside one physical space
There are already "infinite" frames of reference inside one physical space.
Not only you don't know what relativism is but you don't know what a frame of reference is either.

>>716495157
dumb aqua poster

>>716495160
you don't get it.
it's two reference frames relative to themselves and being different. not multiple different reference frames.
when one end of a portal is moving, the whole universe is both stationary and moving relative to itself, because moving portals create two different reference frames of the same things in the same space.

>>716494081
if the mass of the arm times 1gmph is greater than the tensile strength of the body, yes

>>716495090
>I'm just trying to figure out if you're making an Afag argument as you seem to be
>you
I'm literally pointing out a flaw in his argument so you saying this is basically agreeing with me even if you don't know what is going on.

>>716488482
Because when you cross a door the distance you cross is exactly the same as the distance between the two sides of the door. In other words, you take one step (throgh the door), and you will be exactly one step away from where you were before. With portals the distance between the two portals is different from the distance you need to travel to cross the portals. In other words, you take one step through, and you might end up anywhere.

>>716495317
>I didn't move
but he did move, relative to the blue ring.
with portals it's just that the blue ring has the whole universe attached to the other end.

>>716495417
see >>716493151

>>716495270
>it's two reference frames relative to themselves
You said and I quote
>the whole universe on the other side of the portal is moving relative to itself

But of course now that I pointed out you are blatantly retarded you are trying to salvage this by reformulating what you previously said.
No rollbacks here, what you said you said it. Why should anyone waste time talking with a nobody that clearly doesn't know what the fuck relativity is, huh?

>>716494160
>>716494194
>>716494271
>>716494292
>>716494339
>>716494391
>Afags scream "conservation of momentum" all day and still completely fail to comprehend it

>>716495532
okay? that makes no sense

>>716495560
i'm talking about relative frames of reference, I'm sorry you can't understand this.

>>716495416
Ok, and?
That doesn't explain anything.

>>716488482
a door has entrance and exit move at the same speed into the same direction.
a portal had entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.

>>716495674
>i'm talking about relative frames of reference
Wrong
>>716494573
>the whole universe on the other side of the portal is moving relative to itself

>>716495560
if one end of a portal is moving, and has the entire universe on the other side, every object is moving relative to itself, while also being stationary.

>>716495785
correct
the whole universe is moving relative to itself, because the portal is moving and has the whole universe behind its threshold.

this creates two frames of references that are relative to themselves but different.

>>716495742
>a portal had entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions
wrong, portals are just space

>>716492621
The knife would be pushed backward

>>716495952
a door is just space.
a portal is space where the entrance and exit is moving at a different speed and different direction.

>>716495293
>I'm literally pointing out a flaw in his argument
Or saying something incredibly stupid and revealing your own misunderstanding. I'm trying to figure out which it is.

>>716495902
>relative to itself
You are seriously doubling down of this because you see I'm gonna keep circling back to it LOL

Counter-argument:
The opposite is also true thus making space not moving relative to itself.

>>716490335
This is now forever my mental image of A fags and it cracks me up every time. And then they say something about hula hoops and I just snicker.

>>716495952
then the game wouldn't work and the ending of portal 2 couldn't happen, chell would die instantly splattered on the surface of the moon with 1k km/s velocity.

>>716496075
this is what the problem is with portals, if you can't get it you can't get it. I'm sorry.

the counter argument is also somewhat true. it is both moving and not moving relative to itself. that's the point.

you change between these frames of reference by passing through the portal.

>>716496052
I can't misunderstand anything because I just simply adopted his argument and explained why it works against him.
But be guest, keep trying really really hard.

>>716490335
It's extra funny because Limmy is an Atard in real life.

>>716490335
legend

>>716490207
>"if the Earth was round you would just fall right off the side"
>posts 10 images of people balancing on balls
>"this is what B fags actually believe"

>>716493437
That's a totally different model because the arm is long enough and is attached to someone presumably standing on the ground. If the fist were attached to a long, telescoping pole with weak tension then the face would be 100% safe.

now stop posting this shit already

>>716496260
>this is what the problem is with portals
So the problem with portals is that they prove your argument wrong. Got it.
Wew that sure was enlightening.

>>716494714
Not applicable: the space between portals remains zero in the dilemma, unlike your example.

>>716496338
repeating a fallacy over and over doesn't make it true though.
if you adopted the argument you'd just agree with B and that's it but you didn't get it so you can't, and you keep repeating the same fallacy over and over, going nowhere.
now you're not even trying

>>716495675
How would you feel if you haven't had breakfast this morning?

>>716496456
the game proves my argument right so I don't know what to tell you there.
B is literally the ending of portal 2. and it's why portal 1 puzzles work.

speedy thing goes in speedy thing comes out.

>>716496442
Even in your weird, contrived scenario you're still describing a "stationary" object moving in to a "stationary" object and them exerting forces upon each other. Which is the whole point.

>>716496575
>B is literally the ending of portal 2. and it's why portal 1 puzzles work.

But that's because of Delta-P, not momentum.

Portals are impossible in our current understanding of physics (i.e. relativity) ergo Portal takes place in a universe where relativity doesn't exist thus the answer is A.

>>716496338
>just simply adopted his argument and explained why it works against him.
Well, you seemed to suggest that moving the blue portal (and the "universe behind it") would be cancelled out by the movement of the orange portal because it moves with the blue portal. Which is an Afag argument and also patently false. The orange portal would be stationary in its universe. So, if this is your argument, you didn't explain shit, you just said something stupid. Again, that's what I'm trying to ascertain. Because I'm not reading a dozen back-and-forths for context. But at this point I might as well have because extracting any useful information out of you is like extracting a wisdom tooth.

>>716496516
Calling something a fallacy over and over again doesn't make it true.
I don't have to agree with your perception of what is or isn't correct because you crave validation, I never argued about what the correct solution is because I never meant to. I pointed out something wrong about your argument using your own argument as a basis.

>>716496742
>you seemed to suggest
You actually lack reading comprehension, don't you?

>>716496496
Afags don't understand this because they literally haven't played the game. they've only seen screenshots of portals and they think what's on the other side is just the adjacent room in the building, and the portal is just a regular door with LEDs around it

>>716496723
Anon, the Moon moves at a 1000 km/s relative to the Earth
Which means the portal instantaneously added 1000 km/s to Chell IN ADDITION TO the force added by Delta-P

>>716496575
>B is literally the ending of portal 2
No it's not. Keep digging that hole.

>>716496714
the cube in the original example is not affixed to anything but is resting on a platform. It'd be like having the cube soldered onto the end of a 10 ft pole on the platform and then having someone stand 2 ft in front of the exit portal.

No fucking duh that he's going to get hit. The original example is an entirely different scenario and you'd see this if you were'nt a btard.

>>716496804
I lack comprehension of your intentionally obtuse posts, yes, which is why I was trying to clear it up. Christ almighty.
So, are you arguing that or not?

>>716496723
pressure has literally nothing to do with the ending of portal 2.

if the ending was based on A you would be splattered across the surface of the moon because moon is moving 1000km/s relative to earth.
or you would be hanging in space while the moon is flying away from you at 1000km/s.

>>716496804
saying something happens when it doesnt, doesn't make it true either.
you can get closer to the blue portal while moving away from the orange portal, this is simple and factual and irrefutable. and you keep saying the opposite.

>>716496880
prove that it's not.
where does the 1000km/s of relative velocity go of its A?

>>716496568
Hungry.

How would you feel if you gave an answer that actually explains why the difference in distance is relevant?

>>716496890
but it literally doesn't matter if it's soldered or not

>>716496730
Einstein literally predicted the existence of wormholes

>>716496890
If someone was standing in front of the portal in the original scenario, the cube would also hit them. Because the cube is moving.
None of this shit about soldering and poles is relevant

>>716497008
He didn't predict wormholes, only theorized them. There is 0 evidence to suggest that they exist.

>>716497008
Wormholes aren't portals. Also wormholes don't exist.

>>716489470
>I HECKEN LOVE SOIENCE!

>>716495010
>>716495057
Did you give up multiplying a number by 0?

>>716497058
>None of this shit about soldering and poles is relevant

But it is relevant because the original example has the cube resting freely and not attached to anything.

Holy fuck you Btards really are dense.

>>716483541 (OP)
Why yes, the guy would see the door flying away from him.

>>716490335
The cube would be stuck to the surface due to the gravitational pull traveling through the portal.

>>716496804
>>716496931
Right, well, forget it, I got places to be. I'm just going to assume you're an idiot and an Afag, as you appear to be

I lost all interest in arguing this shit when I realized the board is filled with 3rd worlders who cannot engage with the fundamentals of the hypothetical's logic

>>716483541 (OP)
It's so funny to me how people think portals don't apply force
How does the air on the other side get displaced without force? For something to appear there, something else has to be pushed out of the way. What if I put a metal bar over the portal and send a guy through, will he start lifting the bar? With what force? And if he doesn't lift the bar, how does he displace air? It's just matter, too, just of a millionth of the mass but you still need some sort of force.

>>716489375
Every position on earth is moving at different speeds

>>716497074
>>716497110
I didn't claim wormholes exist, you illiterates. I claimed Einstein predicted them.
Predicting something does not imply your prediction necessarily comes true.

>>716495057
>>716497151
didn't even see the post
it tells me nothing because the travel time is 0 regardless if it's 1 meter or infinity.

>>716497289
ok, and?

>>716496931
>your intentionally obtuse posts
Again, you lack reading comprehension, don't you?

>>716496932
>you can get closer to the blue portal while moving away from the orange portal
What the fuck are you even talking about? At what point have I argued this or against this?
What shitty attempt at moving the goalposts is this? LMAO

>>716497164
but it doesn't matter if it's resting or attached.

>>716497249
Good, now fuck off retard. I don't have time to deal with a retard that butted in just for the sake of starting a shitflinging contest.

>>716497319
So irrelevant to the discussion then. Thanks for playing.

>>716497340
at every point in the conversation you argued that if you're getting closer to the blue portal you're getting to the orange portal, which isn't true.
and if you're going to claim to be someone else then why did you butt into the conversation about this and start talking about some irrelevant thing?
what is even your argument?

>>716489538
>B fags thinking about gay buttsex with men's asses
wow

>>716496932
>prove that it's not
Sure.

Explain why Chel gets sucked in when she opens a portal on the moon.

>>716497164
Whether it's a cube resting freely, or a fist or a pole, it is moving as it emerges from the exit portal.

>>716497460
Retard. Anon claimed portals were incompatible with relativity, I pointed out that they are a FACET of it.

>>716497321
So the moon "being a different speed" is irrelevant

>>716497321
Let me help you because you seem to have forgotten how one can calculate distances. It's speed times travel time.

>>716497532
only if you explain why you don't get splattered on the surface of the moon when you pass through the portal.

>>716497503
At no point I have argued anything like that.
This is my first post in the thread
>>716493476

Whatever autistic meltdown you have going on with somebody else is none of my business. But it's good to see you are out of shit to say so you are trying to go back to something else entirely.

>>716497589
Incorrect. Relativity, special or general, does not require wormholes.

>>716497593
it's very relevant if you hold the A position.
do you believe a or b?

>>716497603
portals make this moot.
you can have instant travel between infinite distances.

>>716497684
the whole space is both moving and stationary relative to itself, because one portal is moving and another is not.
next question

>>716497694
>require
You are so unbelievably stupid. You cannot string together a coherent thought to save your life.

>>716497616
>only if you explain why you don't get splattered on the surface of the moon when you pass through the portal
Because the portal is in the surface itself? What kind of questions is that?

Now answer the question. Why did Chel get sucked in through the portal?

>>716497805
And yet you're the one failing to produce a coherent argument.

like why dont we ask some physics nigga or something like godamn

>>716497835
wrong. the portal is on the surface, the portal isn't the surface.
try again.
explain why you don't get splattered or why does the moon fly away and you get stranded in space. (it's the same question, I'm making it easier for you)

>>716497829
that doesn't sound like troll physics
that makes sense

>>716497917
We did. A-fags decided it didn't count.

>>716497860
>"portals are incompatible with relativity"
>no they aren't, Einstein described wormholes within the context of relativity
>"yeah well wormholes aren't real!!"
And it goes on like this.

>>716495175
>not a single reply
This but unironically

>>716497801
>relative to itself
Tripling down on this retarded shit. Jesus.
>and another is not
If another is not then the universe is also not moving "relative to itself".
We've been over this like three time already.

You keep using relativity as a catchall term to explain everything but because you don't know what it actually is and how it works you fail to understand that using it to explain something means it can be used to explain the direct exact opposite because, duh, that's what relativity is.
Which is a self-defeating argument, as I said in my literal first post.
You have literally not moved one inch from the stupid shit you said an hour ago.

>>716498105
Yes but as previously discussed portals=/=wormholes. You seem to be confused by this for some reason.

>>716497532
she is blown not sucked by bernoulli's principle

>>716498165
what is so hard to understand? portals make it possible for two conflicting reference frames exist in the same space.
what don't you understand about this?

>>716497801
>portals make this moot.
Portals make the concept of distance moot? Great, then velocity and momentum no longer has any meaning and should not be used to discuss portals.

>>716497937
>wrong. the portal is on the surface
?????????? I just said that lmao
>explain why you don't get splattered
?????????? because if you shoot up away from the portal which is on the surface you flyaway from the surface

you are actually mindbroken right now

every day i thank god that he didn't give me the brain deficiency that makes me a bfag.

>>716498246
>she is blown
Blown by what?

>>716498331
again
read very carefully

why, after you go through the portal, the moon doesn't fly away from you at 1km/s?

>>716498190
Just unforgivably dumb. Completely hopeless.You forget what you're talking about the instant new information comes into view.

>>716498403
there's air pressure on one side
there's no pressure on the other side
also your mama

dunning kruger is a hell of a drug
maybe it's good that you don't realize.

>>716498414
>the moon doesn't fly
by your logic it does, relative to chell

you still have not explained what caused chell the go through the portal though

>>716498029
Did the guy ever play portal?

>>716498501
I accept your concession. Maybe try again next thread?

>>716498516
by my logic, it doesnt.
what made you think so?

>>716498504
>there's air pressure on one side
>there's no pressure on the other side
so, delta p

congratulation you just agreed with what was said initially after wasting a few minutes arguing the opposite

>>716498557
Imagine what you want, it's a massive waste of time to try explaining anything to you people.

>>716497801
A. Because it applies to the videogame.
B only applies to people that play pretend with science they will never be able to prove.

>>716493281
makes perfect sense
A it is

>>716498614
>what made you think so?
your constant mention of relativity
so, you don't believe in relativity now?

>>716498402
You mean intelligence? Yes, someone who thanks God would consider that a deficiency

>>716498282
What part don't you understand that it means relativity works both ways?

>>716498719
relativity is how B happens, and how the ending of the game happens.
so why are you arguing for A?

>>716498714
if it was A neither portal 2 nor 1 would work.

>>716498793
but I do.
what makes you think I dont?

>>716498819
>how the ending of the game happens
what causes Chell to get through the portal?

>>716488482
Gravity does not change if you go through a door or hoop.

>>716498819
Portal can't be on a moving suface relative to the game.

>>716498894
>what makes you think I dont?
The fact that you keep arguing against that point which I've been making since my first post.

>>716483817
Literally this

>>716498840
the reference frame of the exit universe only applies to the objects that pass through the portal
the reference frame of the entrance universe only apply to objects that didn't

>>716498927
not relevant to the problem, answer the question

>>716498949
portal 2 has two cases of moving portals.

>>716499001
I never argued about that point.
the point you're making is the opposite of it.

>>716499080
>not relevant to the problem
Concession accepted.

>>716499080
Show me the two cases of moving portals

>>716499080
doesn't matter, you make it look like it's moving, then both have to act like they're moving

>>716499080
>the point you're making is the opposite of it
You literally agreed to it.
>>716496260
>the counter argument is also somewhat true

Haha, you are spiraling out of control, man.

>>716499160
it literally isn't relevant.

>>716499195
https://youtu.be/ZFqk8aj4-PA?t=1h59s
https://youtu.be/ZFqk8aj4-PA?t=2h13m56s

>>716499271
what are you even trying to say

>>716499358
that's because you have a logical fallacy, you're literally arguing opposing points.

>>716499578
>you're literally arguing opposing points
I'm arguing the exact same thing I argued in my first (or second) post.
You have agreed to it as well as well and despite this you''ve argued against it numerous times.

>>716499783
formulate it right now to completion in a single post

>>716498789
Unfortunately, troll-chan, your already existing momentum as well as nothing acting against you (the air moves too!) prevents this

>>716499865
>formulate it right now to completion in a single post
Ok, here it goes.

You are wrong.

>>716499578
The first portal is sliding NOT being pushed.
The Moon portal isn't moving relative to the moon. I already taught you that

>>716499865

>>716500038

the silence is deafening, if that anon doesn't post back it means he lost brutally and unequivocally

Lol
B fag's only argument is emotional

>>716500205
what does it matter? it's moving
why does it have to move relative to the moon? the exit portal is moving relative to the entrance portal
what does it matter if it's the moon or a platform?

>>716500205
>and NOT being pushed
it's on a platform that is being pushed
???

>ragebait a retard with a simple question
>come back 4 hours later
>he's still foaming at people thinking its me

>>716501015 >>716500205
A is thinking this makes a difference
B is knowing it doesnt

>>716500795
Because it is a videogame with no pushing portals.
Since the Moon portal isn't disabled it means there is something we don't understand ablout portals
>>716501015
Sliding. It is sliding.

>>716490318
>folds paper in half
>stabs it with pencil
Oh yeah?

>>716501174
what the fuck do you mean sliding

>>716501090
You can't provee wrong somce there are no pushing portals ingame.

>>716501250
Not moving forward or backwards

I'm converting back to a B fag, sorry A fags

>>716499917
nooooooooooooooo

>>716501086
>thinks /v/ is one person
That's how you are wrong

>>716501174
something you don't understand about portals is that there can be moving portals and the whole premise of the portal problem is made completely moot because it shows you the solution I portal 2 which you're desperately trying to undermine by inventing new mental gymnastics to ignore it.

>>716501345
who are you to say where a portals front is? how would it even be relevant?

>>716501256
why are you not being moved away from the moon at 1km/s in the ending of portal 2

>>716501349
now calculate the tensile strength for the black column.
it would only work if it doesnt rip apart from the forces of a sudden stop

>>716501446
>Can't tell the clearly same dude from the rest of the people
Autism.

>>716501451
Show me a pushong portal ingame

If you don't understand the difference between moving forward and moving to the side I cant help you.

>>716501541
what do you mean bro? speedy thing goes in speedy thing goes out and it must conserve momentum

>>716501593
What difference does one rotten tree make to a dead forest?

>>716501662
The moon scene actually does work as a pushing portal if you measure everything from the reference frame of an observer standing on the moon.

>>716502339
Cool, sgow me that ingame

>>716502634
Play it

>>716502898
You have no pushing portals. You have no victory.

>>716501683
it does
but if it stops the energy has to go somewhere
if the tensile strength is not enough it will rip off and go into your ass

>>716489910
I was a firm believer in B but this convinced me of A, or at least that B-people aren't beyond using deceptive tactics.
The bottom left of the "Portal Frame" shows the Box (and it's pillar) moving, which is not the same as in the "Lab Frame".
To make this correct, the diagonal line with the portals in the "Portal Frame" needs to be moving.

>>716497128 is correct in the sense that it would mean A gets buttplugged, but it simply illustrates no mass being lost "inside" the portals. It doesn't have much to do with >>716488645 however, since it isn't about transmitting the momentum of the orange portal to an Object.

>>716502634
https://youtu.be/ZFqk8aj4-PA?t=2h13m56s

>>716503062
>victory
there is no victory, everyone loses in this argument
A-fags for being retarded
bfsgs for wasting time and energy trying to explain it

>>716498789
>>716499917
isn't that the coriolis effect

>>716503212
you are retarded then cause the gif is showing exactly b and exactly why

>>716503218
Portal doesn't move relative to the moon.
bfags only victory is memes about anal in the ass with men gay or otherwise

I was a B fag for the longest time but pic related is making me rethink things

(Yes I know that A and B are switched around in pic related, ignore that and pretend A is B and B is A)

Seriously how the fuck do you support B if that means portals on different places of Earth would yeet you?

>>716503212
>The bottom left of the "Portal Frame" shows the Box (and it's pillar) moving, which is not the same as in the "Lab Frame".
M8 it's showing the same thing twice from a different perspective, that's the whole point, you can't into relativity

>>716503558
>Seriously how the fuck do you support B if that means portals on different places of Earth would yeet you?
But that's what A thinks. A only functions on a stationary earth.

The planetarian POV of the argument makes more sense

>>716503493
the entrance portal is moving relative to the moon, because it's on earth.

>>716503493
>Portal doesn't move relative to the moon.
Yes it does. The Moon moves relative to the Earth

>>716503712
No?

>>716503558
but it's not switched around in the pic.
if it was A you would fly away.

>>716503857
yes you absolute bumpkin.

You should be able to solve this.

>>716503803
Tell that to the stable portal on the moon
>>716503835
The portal on the moon you retard. Both portals are stable, so relative the the planet the portal is on they are not being pushed or pulled

>>716503857
If you enter with speed, you exit with speed is the A take. If you enter on earth you have inherent speed, so you exit with the speed of the earth. The Afag model only works on a stationary earth.

>>716503982
is this bait?
it's 3 times a and b is b

>>716488195
>a portal has entrance and exit move at different speeds and different directions.
Portals moving relative to each other was never intended to be possible and portals fundamentally do not make sense if it is the case.
This is the root cause of this eternal problem. Neither A nor B make any sense.

>>716503558
They're not switched around, you literally don't understand what it's saying. B argues for relative speeds, A argues for absolute speed as an intrinsic property. The point here is precisely that if A were the case, you should launch you in this case, which is absurd. But to say B here is inconsistent with A elsewhere.

>>716503991
moon is being pushed relative to earth
what the fuck are you talking about

>>716504094
somehow it makes perfect and always consistent sense to anyone who thinks B.
somehow it never makes sense in any possible example to anyone who thinks A.

>>716503891
>>716503981
>>716504014
I don't think you get it. In the planet picture the character is not actually moving around Earth at 1000mph, it's just the Earth's rotation

The entire point of Achads is that if you are standing still you won't go out flying at the end portal, meanwhile Bfags argue that if your velocity in the reference frame of the end portal is significant you will go flying

>>716503991
Yes, and relative to the moving platform the portal also isn't moving. Great insight.

>>716483541 (OP)
B happened to me multiple times
I hate these fucking doors on wheels

>>716503991
You are in no position to call anyone a retard anon. The retard is you.

>>716503982
B
relative velocity of MJ to the orange portal (5km/h) = relative velocity of the blue portal to MJ (5km/h)

>>716504227
But speedy thing goes in speedy thing goes out? So if you enter with the speed of the earth you exit with the speed of the earth?

>>716504227
>the character is not actually moving around Earth at 1000mph
He is.

Look your posting aqua now. You aren't being subtle.

>>716504182
>somehow it makes perfect and always consistent sense to anyone who thinks B.
Being sure of how retarded you are doesn't make you right.
And object suddenly accelerating relative to the side of the portal it's leaving does not make sense. "Does not make sense" meaning "is a phyiscal impossibility". Things only get more fucky when you consider general relativity; it would be entirely possible to be moving faster than the speed of light relative to things on one side of the portal, and thus it cannot be possible for portals to move. For a portal to act as a true window that preserves momentum they way that they do, they simply have to be stationary to each other.

>>716504227
You don't get it. B doesn't argue "portals launch you" - it only argues relative speed in = relative speed out. Using A logic is what would launch you here, but you don't get that either, because you don't really grasp any argument for or against

>>716504182
The portal exists relative to the moon not relative to the object you are currently on globie
>>716504250
Every atom on earth is moving. Portals would never be stable irl
>>716504342
Scroll up and look at all the bfags gay sex memes smart guy. Do you think faggots are inherently smarter than normal people?

>>716504431
Speedy relative to the portal. No other measurement is relevant here.

>>716483541 (OP)
the pic that killed B fags

>>716503597
Nah, I am not convinced. B is more intuitive but the longer I think about i,t the more A makes sense.

I think having a moving portal going around a stationary object doesn't mean you can transfer it's momentum relatively onto the object. I think the OP demonstrates this quite nicely.
If I knew how to make a gif like that myself I would do so (and perhaps prove myself wrong) but I think equating the two "Frames" won't convince anyone since the premise of transferred momentum is already assumed in the demonstration, making it irrelevant to someone critical of B.

Could someone make one that instead has the upper right of the "Portal Frame" moving together with the diagonal line and the portals while the bottom left stays stationary? Basically having the pov of the Cube.

>>716504601
So now relativity matters? So you're admitting B is correct?

>>716504410
he's moonwalking though, that messes with relativity

>>716504508
>Scroll up and look at all the bfags gay sex memes smart guy. Do you think faggots are inherently smarter than normal people?
More desperate ramblings from a certified retard.

You are a retard. Nothing you say here matters because it is being said by a retard.

>>716504470
Of course, portals are an impossibility. But if they existed and moved it'd be B. Saying you accept physically impossible portals but you draw the line at moving them is a cop-out.

>>716504730
Bfags only appeal is emotion. That is why you are doubling down on it

>>716504658
>Basically having the pov of the Cube.
There is one like this
Of course it's no longer the reference frame of the portals, it's now the reference frame of the cube.

>>716504658
>the longer I think about i,t the more A makes sense.
I don't think you're thinking correctly then
OP is a blatant strawman

>>716504776
If the existed and moved B and A are exactly as impossible as each other. One side of the portal does not take magic precedence over the other. Claiming that it does is the crux of bfaggism and always has been.

>>716504808
Last I checked we're the ones with the reputation for a shit load of diagrams. That is not an appeal to emotion.

This is me having zero patience for you. You are a certified retard.

>>716504667
I guess I mixed something up, I was always a proponent of B

>>716504470
>And object suddenly accelerating relative to the side of the portal it's leaving
The entire point of B is that its velocity is conserved relative to the portal and it does not accelerate relative to the portal. It is kind of amazing how many people claim it can't be B because the answer not being B doesn't work. In addition to that, being right and consistent are not necessarily the same thing. There is no guarantee that B is right, but it does follow consistent rules that will work the same in every scenario.

>>716504916
No, A is illogical contradictory fuckery, B is internally consistent

>>716504776
Also, they are not physically impossible when not moving. We know no mechanism for them to work, but they make fundamental sense.
Not all levels of something being made up are equal.

>>716504504
>>716504439
>>716504431
A is correct but there is also the fact that portals do not follow proper physics so if you extrapolate A you'll get wrong results

The correct trajectory is whatever is convenient for the game to work

Basically it conserves momentum of the player relative to the floor, and yes this does not make sense but that's how it works

>>716503558
>A and B are switched around in pic related
Afags retarded as usual

>>716505047
>The entire point of B is that its velocity is conserved relative to the portal and it does not accelerate relative to the portal
Yes, and it does instantly accelerate relative to the world on the other side of the portal without any impulse. Therefore, it is an arbitrary preference to one side of the portal.

>>716504953
Don't care what other retards have said in the past. This current thread has had a lot of gay sex Bfags. You can't prove me wrong.

>>716505149
>Basically it conserves momentum of the player relative to the floor
Because neither portal is moving.

Plop or fling?

>>716505341
And the portals do not move precisely to avoid this

>>716505149
entrance velocity relative to entrance = exit velocity relative to exit

There. That's how portals work. It's consistent with the games. Consistent with the moon scene. And unlike what you've just said about A, you can extrapolate it without it resulting in incorrect results.

It's just a question of whether you're intelligent enough to understand what "entrance velocity relative to entrance = exit velocity relative to exit" entails.

>>716505106
>they are not physically impossible when not moving
They absolutely are and even in the game itself with unmoving portals you can create perpetual motion. You think they can exist because the game portrays them convincingly. It could do the same with B to make you think that works.

Not A though, that's just silly lmao

https://youtu.be/KXDHwCv5rhQ
Portals are the same thing as punching a hole into 3D plane.
How the portal should work when its moving in 3D space is that it opens and closes rapidly to move with the piston itself.
Essentially the cube should be just chopped up into microscopic pieces that would slide down like A.

>>716505149
Funny how you can extrapolate B and get consistent results

>>716505213
It's a preference for the portal, considered as a whole, over any other arbitrary reference point

>>716505579
That's great that you have a headcanon for how moving portals should behave, but in actual portal canon they don't act that way.

>>716505498
>you can create perpetual motion
Not actually as fundamental of a problem as you'd think.
>It could do the same with B to make you think that works.
Absolutely not, or there wouldn't be decades of people trying to explain to you retards how B makes no sense whatsoever.

>b-b-b-but I don't like A even more so B is correct because of my feelings
No.

>>716505213
It isn't an acceleration if it isn't instant. Measuring velocity of things through a portal can give unexpected result, so just ignore the portal and give preference to measurements where it isn't involved. If a cube is moving through a room, there is nothing that will stop the cube or the room from continuing to move.

>>716505487
>>716505632
B does not make sense just imagine yourself from the box perspective, a door frame comes at you and you go flying

>>716505763
Absolutely yes, you just refuse to accept it. B works incredibly intuitively abd has a simple underlying principle. You could easily build a game around it.

>>716505861
>it's just a question of whether you're intelligent enough to understand what "entrance velocity relative to entrance = exit velocity relative to exit" entails.
You've just demonstrated you are not intelligent enough.

>>716483541 (OP)
Fixed that for you.

>>716505763
PS my preference for Bbus based on logic, not feelings. You reject B based on feelings, and project.

>>716505376
Why not just one cube? :)

>>716505861
The cube experiences it as continuous motion. Imagine you discovered one day you were born in a train and moving all along. Same thing, really. In fact, you are moving all along because Earth is.

>>716505823
>It isn't an acceleration if it isn't instant.
You wanna take that again?
>so just ignore the portal and give preference to measurements where it isn't involved
The question is about the portal and you cannot ignore it.
>If a cube is moving through a room, there is nothing that will stop the cube or the room from continuing to move.
But the cube at rest will suddenly accelerate away without an impulse?

>>716504813
Okay, that's kinda more convincing. At least I feel this unquestionably does it's best to recreate the same setup from a different pov. I feel this argues in favor of A, though. Excuse my retardation, but why does the floor under the cube gets moved away from it, when the portals stop? Couldn't I just stop the gif at the moment the portals "touch" the ground? (This would exclude gravity and the effects of and it pulling on an object in two directions, passing through a portal, but I think that's unimportant to the discussion.)

>>716503982
Assuming the blue portal is a stationary wall MJ would fly out at 105 km/h retaining his momentum from the train and his moonwalking.
He probably would exit some amount slower due to the air getting sucked into the blue portal and out the orange.
This is assuming the physics "just work" because there is no real world analog for fictional rifts in spacetime.

>>716505886
>You could easily build a game around it.
The game is not built around moving portals.
>>716505973
>You reject B based on feelings
>"Not A though, that's just silly lmao"
You cannot and have not explained how an object suddenly accelerating relative to one side of a portal makes sense.

>>716506083
It's less interesting but it's the same.

>>716506412
>but it's the same.
except it isn't, which is why you used it

>>716506304
I don't need to consider the side of the portal that it's not on.
>How do you explain the cube coming closer without moving?
>How do you explain perpetual motion?
>How do you explain instant changes of velocity?
Fucking portals, that's how. Everything I just mentioned is a core part of the base gameplay btw.

>>716506098
>You wanna take that again?
Acceleration is change in velocity over time. If no time passes, there is no acceleration.

>But the cube at rest will suddenly accelerate away without an impulse?
It will move away from the platform without a force or acceleration. Same as in this gif, which you could also apply to portals on the wall when the whole Earth is the moving train. This is what happens in game there and also for the moon scene.

>The question is about the portal and you cannot ignore it.
Why Not? What would change if you close the portal after the cube makes it thought? Also going back to the gif and assuming the answer were A and there were some mechanic that could explain the movement of the cube, what would happen if you closed the portal? In B it doesn't matter, but that may not be the case for A.

>>716506482
it's actually the same
he used it to underline a-fag lack of understanding.

>>716506482
I mean it's the same result (B)

The reason why the pic has 5 cubes is to bait out a type of Afag who thinks that 4 cubes get pushed by 1 cube but that 1 cube stops moving.

>>716506083
A cube is just a bunch of tiny bits of cube, so the same thing happens. The only point where something unexpected might happen is when you get down to a single 1d particle.

>>716506497
>I don't need to consider the side of the portal that it's not on.
You do. A consistent behavior regardless of the observer is fundamentally important to physics. Ignoring some things because you want to pretend you have a non-existent solution is all Bfagging has ever been.
>Everything I just mentioned is a core part of the base gameplay btw.
The game isn't based around moving portals no matter how much you want it to be.

>>716506592
It's a completely different situation though.
You already know this which is why you used it.

>>716505946
Fixed that for you.

>>716505579
Cool, now make a gun that can shoot portals and demonstrate B

>>716506728
in this one "A" is A-fags false idea of what B is.
in the previous one A is just A

>>716506726
>portal moves over an object
>we're asked to consider if the object has momentum relative to the exit portal
It's directly analogous to the main portal problem and Afags being unable to even directly respond to it neatly demonstrates their lack of understanding.

>>716506885
No it's not. Which is why you used it.

>>716506940
why are you unable to read

>>716505376
Show this in game

>>716506719
>A consistent behavior regardless of the observer is fundamentally important to physics.
And B is entirely consistent. It looks weird only to the observer looking through the portal, but that's portals. If the orange portal stopped before reaching the cube, an observer looking through would also see the cube suddenly "stop" for no reason. Weird, right? Yet you wouldn't argue anything else should happen.
The reason that the perspective of that observer isn't relevant is because nothing on that side of the portal is affecting thf cube any more.
And you don't understand what you're talking about if you think the base game doesn't involve changing velocity.

>>716506940
>still no answer

>>716506983
>>716507027
There's a reason you used a clearly different situation.
There's a reason you are in a frothing rage because I pointed that out.

>>716506940
answer both, or either, something other than deflecting

>>716506987
The game engine does not support A or B (even with cheats to enable moving portals outside of the neurotoxin level)
The game canon (including the cutscene at the end of portal 2) supports B

>>716507121
no one is frothing
you're stalling to wait for the thread to 404.

>>716507121
I told you what the reason was
I also explained how the situation is directly analogous to the main problem
Stop deflecting

>>716507121
The reason is to show that B logic is consistent and yours is flawed

>>716507142
I thought portal 2 had sliding goop?

>>716507219
>>716507220
>>716507224
Fucking owned
Love you Bros

>>716507138
>>716507219
>>716507220
>>716507224
>no one is frothing
You used a dishonest example.
You are mad I pointed that out.

New thread?

>>716507262
the issue here is A-fags unable to understand that moving towards a portal = portal moving towards you
and making a portal move isn't possible in engine so they will never be satisfied even if they played through whole 2 games where it teaches you B from the first minute of portal 1.

>>716507334
explain why it's dishonest then, and no, "it's not the same" isn't explaining anything. explain why it's different.

>>716507262
Sliding goop yes, but no moving portals outside of the Neurotoxin chamber during which you don't have any props to throw through them.