Thread 716484805

>also having to learn to read music/tablature while also needing to track rhythm on your own
>a shitload more frets spread across six strings with variations in finger placement creating minor differences beyond knowing where to put your fingers in the first place
>having to learn to tune and maintain the damn thing

Homie, it's just a video game. Keep it that way.

I can't imagine the cord you need to play locksmith on PC costing that much these days

I just wanna smack buttons in time with good music

>>716484805 (OP)
>tried to play real guitar
>couldn't hold down the strings properly/tight enough without hurting my fingers to get a consistent tune
>gave up

real guitar sucks

I bet she would be good at it.

>>716485257
Are you underage? Holy shit. This site is 18+.

Goddamn those games always looked so fucking fun. Too bad i'm a left handed subhuman and they to my knowledge do not make a left handed guitar. Activision should make a gh1-3 trilogy remaster and make peripherals for us less fortunate.

>>716485386
If you can get a guitar controller you can just download Guitar Hero: World Tour for PC then install the Definitive mod. That's about as close as you really need.

>>716485386
There's an option for left and you just use it upside down.

>>716485568
Yeah but that kind of sucks because of where it puts the whammy bar.

>>716485568
And I can't use the whammy and have it digging into my chest?

>>716484805 (OP)
I can play the guitar
But a lot of the time I don't want to play the guitar, I want to play a rhythm game with a funny/cool peripheral.

>why dont you just get a real car
nigger I crash in the game every 5 minutes and my car cost me 35k yuros

>>716485257
>tried to play real guitar
>20 years later
>got pretty solid at it, mostly chords and picking
i barely touch my guitars these days but still do a Rock Band session every now and then.wish they still put out DLC because we never got more songs off of IKSOSE3

I think they should come back especially since the new wave of zoomers are into alternative and metal now.

>>716484805 (OP)
>Homie, it's just a video game. Keep it that way.
MIDI drum charts are also just a video game but they actually help you learn real drums.

>>716486634
This is because drums aren't a real instrument. Still, it's good rhythm practice for when you finally feel like learning one.

>>716486634
Eh I just couldn't do it. Playing the hihat while bass drum+snare is too much for my brain.

>>716484805 (OP)
I do play a real guitar though. Piano too.

>>716486634
Any budget solutions for a drum set on PC thay work good enough? Can be DIY, I love tinkering.

>>716484805 (OP)
>Why don't you just get a real guitar
I play keyboard and a bit of piano
>>716486173
Also, you can drive open wheel cars, hypercars, GT cars, rally cars, and whatever without having to worry about the cost not just of the cars themselves, but also their maintenance

>>716487392
>I play keyboard and a bit of piano

I'm complaining about people who get uppity about playing five-button guitar games.

>>716484805 (OP)
I wish these came back.

I play both, or at least I would if my GH controller didn't shit the bed

Are guitars coming back into fashion? It feels like the 2010s to now are a wasteland for rock music. Not metal or any kind of sub genre, just good old rock bangers.

>>716487648
Ozzy's death might cause a resurgence.

This is legit but it's no better than just playing Duolingo, I imagine.

>>716486368
there's just this subset of cockrockers who never understood why you would play with a peripheral that looks like a guitar if you didn't secretly wish you could do it for real. everyone i knew back then was a guitarist and most played it. i think the aforementioned cockrockers just got pissy it looked like people would stop learning to play for real if you could get the same buzz there, even though they weren't actually comparable. then kids did stop learning guitar, but that was more because of shifting music trends and bands dying off.

>>716484805 (OP)
you're so pathetic if you lose interest at the first sight of challenge

I'm pretty sure most songs on the guitar are just three or four chords over and over.

>>716487993
Most bad songs are, yeah.

>>716487993
>>716488016
>most songs
is right. good ones too. expand that to 8-10 chords and you've got pretty much everything covered, except for all the flourish and elaborate arrangements.

>>716484805 (OP)
why don't you just get a real car
why don't you just get a real machine gun

Rock Band and air drumming taught me how to actually drum.

>>716484805 (OP)
>why don't you become a real soldier instead of playing cod?

>anons itt seem to universally agree that this is a retarded statement to make
>but when the subject of sports vidya comes up you are guaranteed to get a bunch of anons saying "WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY THE SPORT INSTEAD OF PLAYING A GAME ABOUT IT?"

It's not fair bros.

>>716488504
name the possible hazards of playing a real guitar

>>716486505
For me, it's fingerstyle on classical guitar

>>716488817
Sports have a lower skill floor that learning an instrument. You can go out and throw a ball around without any instruction or attempt to improve and still have fun, but mashing on an instrument will get you no where without putting in effort to even get started. The real reason someone might play a sports game instead of a real sport is that the game still just a game and is different from the actual sport. My reason for not playing them is that I just think they are boring.

>>716484805 (OP)
why dont you just become a lawyer?

>>716486634
it sucks how many clone hero songs just dont have drum charts
>>716487648
fwiw i saw a fuckton of guitar girls in fukushima. idk if that's the bocchi effect or if it was always like that but it was noticable
>>716485386
idk im left handed and i never had a problem learning guitar right handed. i think those riffmaster controllers market themselves as beng ambidextrous but i've never tried one
>>716488817
i think skateboarding irl is more fun than modern skateboarding games which are universally shit.

>>716484805 (OP)
I did, I picked up the guitar shortly after I got Guitar Hero 1. Still bought every GH/RB game after that

It’s still crazy to me that this was so popular then died in five years like nothing

Also I’m one of the people that did get a real guitar and it’s hilarious a REAL guitar is easier than playing on Expert

>>716484805 (OP)
>tabs are incredibly intuitive and easy to learn, sheet music isn't strictly necessary unless you're learning classical
>there has to be thousands of free metronomes
>more frets = more freedom, and once you learn scales you'll always know where you are, the last part of this is essentially complaining that you have to actually touch the instrument to play it
>tuning takes like 2 minutes, tops
>you shouldn't need to do much maintenance beyond occasionally changing strings and adjusting relief (both incredibly easy) unless you live in a literal rainforest
nothing against guitar hero, but these are very week excuses

To this day I never understood why Harmonix never charted double bass, even on PRO drums

If anyone still cares about playing plastic instruments, look into YARG. Vastly superior to Clone Hero, especially if you care about a more Rock Band-like experience. You can easily download the entire GH and RB setlist, and every format of custom song from the past fifteen years is compatible. The nightly version even supports niche shit like the stage kits for lighting and fog machines. Pro instrument support is also in the works (drums already work, but guitar/keys is in dev). Every instrument ever released works if you have a way to connect it to your PC.

>>716493058
>Needs custom controllers for it
>Even fucking first party manufactures like microsoft nintendo and sony are getting stiffed by chinks installing defective parts
>Way more important for non-fucked controllers in rhythm games than standard games
It's really not all that surprising.

>>716493482
Probably because you needed an entire different peripheral to even support double bass, and not just simply using a splitter.

>>716493058
Every game came out with its own set of controllers, it wasn't sustainable.

>>716491494
bro i'll fuckin chart the drums myself
i've spent hours using moonscraper and audacity to make drum-only charts for clone hero of songs i want to learn to play on my roland kit

>>716485257
thats just how it starts
you build calluses that stop it hurting, but it could also be your strings simply sit too high

>>716493770
>>716493927
Solid point I suppose

>>716493482
where they really shat the bed was putting crashes on the green pad and rides on the blue even for pro drums
if you're playing with a real electric kit you end up needing to swap the midi outputs for them, for the layout to make any sense
it's also annoying how many songs chart open hi hats as the blue pad

>>716487517
Well, that's just part of "hard game" culture in general, someone just being a bit too passionate about it

>>716494007
You mean you can play the game songs with a real kit?
Kinda wanna get a proper kit, but feels like a waste alone

>>716494716
there are pretty reasonably priced edrums out there, especially compared to what other rhythm game controllers cost. the biggest barrier is whether you have the space to keep it set up

>>716494716
i started playing rock band with the plastic drums years ago, went through about 3 or 4 kits over a few years before i said fuck it and got a $300 cheapo alesis kit with the rock band xbox midi adapter
used that for another few years then upgraded to the roland td-4kp and used that ever since
eventually i sold all my consoles and just played along with music from my phone through the aux connection, then discovered clone hero and now i chart songs for that when i want to learn them

>>716488504
>Why don't you just get a real girlfriend?

>>716495179
>>716495501
cool cool. Space might get problematic yeah, if I buy something it's probably going to be straight to some med-highish end kit.
should look into it myself, but do you know if theres any popular repositories for songs with the drum track removed, or is clone hero + charting the best bet?

>>716493058
>It’s still crazy to me that this was so popular then died in five years like nothing
>Also I’m one of the people that did get a real guitar and it’s hilarious a REAL guitar is easier than playing on Expert
Westerners completely misunderstand the concept of rhythm games. It's not meant to be a "simulation" or "training" for the real thing. The premise of the game, be it guitar or dj or whatever popn music is, is just a pretense for the gameplay. You're not supposed to "get something" out of it except for good gameplay.

The reason we play rhythm games is because they are harder and more technical than real instruments and measure player skill more accurately. Western media wants to attach importance to games so they make up false narratives about what they can get you externally. In Japan rhythm games are still going stronger than ever (Beatmania, Taiko, Maimai, etc) because they never tried to think about it as something it's not supposed to be.

>>716496327
you can download basically every rock band song, guitar hero song, and all of their dlc songs using a desktop app called bridge, plus lots of other songs people have charted
i use a desktop app called stemroller to remove drum tracks, it works decently well

>>716495179
If you want to get into rhythm games you can save hundreds of dollars by making your own controller. It's a can of worms people don't want to get into but if you want arcade accurate equipment that's affordable it's the only way. For example you can buy a taiko tatacon for $80-$300 or you can make one for $15. And $80 is on the low end for what a rhythm game controller costs.

>>716485634
the whammy is the worst part, but hardly a big deal, just use your palm on it. it becomes extremely shit when the whammy goes slack and starts getting in the way fof the strum bar.

>>716484805 (OP)
>"Why don't you just get a real guitar?"
I already do
Guitar Hero and the derivatives are still fun

>>716496659
Guess I'm rapidly running out of excuses not taking the plunge. Thanks

I know how to play a real instrument and read music but I can't play by ear and can't sight read for shit so I can't play the vidya songs I want to and I also sound like shit and hate practicing when people can hear me and my instrument is so loud and I'm not alone I can't just play it or grind out practice when I want and it makes me really depressed

>>716484805 (OP)
For me, these games just made me realize I love rhythm and ended up picking drumming, became somewhat decent after some years and even had a couple of bands and tried other types of percussion, which is what I mostly play these days instead of the kit

>>716486634
Until you try a real instrument and realize all the possibilities beyond just hitting the right buttont at the right time. Try tunning a real snare drum

>>716496327
i got this kit to make due with my limited space. it was on sale for 170 or something like that at the time. it works well so far except the floor tom doesn't get picked up in gitadora (havent tried dtx or clone hero yet) there are probably ways to fix that but i've just been ghost playing orange notes since im still a complete scrub regardless

>>716484805 (OP)
I wish there was a game that actually helped you learn music. Not just playing an instrument.

>>716497146
yeah no music game really emulates dynamics sadly. chunithm's air notes could maybe be considered an attempt to do that

>>716499247
personally i think it's a lot easier to learn dynamics once you have good rhythm and limb independence than the other way around

>>716485634
thats ok those whammies break instantly anyway
if you have one that isnt flopping around, good on you

>>716499409
You can start building both from the beggining

>>716499081
rocksmith?

i've been picking up fiddle recently and i'm having as much fun as a good vidya

>>716486634
wish i wouldve kept my RB set for my nephew, he wouldve loved them

>>716484805 (OP)
both are fun. you really don't have to learn all that just to play some tunes. although i get just wanting to play some good old gh. most people who take that stance don't even play either.
>>716485257
that's a part of it only at the very beginning anon. whether you think it's worth it or not is up to you.

I wish I had time to practice properly, by the time I'm home my eyes are closing on their own.

>>716485257
>Couldn't hold down the strings tight enough
The fuck?? Are you like 10 or have the weakest body in the world???

>>716499081
Cringe

>>716500052
Doesn't Rocksmith only teach you playing guitar? I was talking about the basics of composing or something like that.

>>716487332
If you're really into DIY, setting up a MIDI device isn't the hardest thing especially if you're making a drum set. The biggest hurdle is probably fine tuning the pad pressure.

Too bad many genres with "high-effort" bullshit and forced talent are speedtrooning-tier tryhard faggotry e.g. cucknical """""""death metal"""""""""

>>716484805 (OP)
>"Why don't you just get a real guitar?"
This is a dumb argument because Guitar Hero isn't really supposed to simulate playing guitar anyway. Besides, playing / getting good at GH and playing / getting good at a real guitar are both fun in completely different ways.

*100 percents cliffs of dover on expert mode*

heh nothing personnel kid

>>716488817
I don't say that about sports games. I say you shouldn't buy them, because they're all the fucking same every single year and they have some of the most dogshit monetization practices in the whole industry. You might as well still be playing Madden 08 or 2K5, you'd have a better gameplay experience.

>>716501153
yeah got that. well, just use real world and maybe spend a little on used piano. I don't know any game that dioes it.

try to turn it into a gayme or try with vidya music like castlevania.

>>716502721
Yeah I figured. Cheers anon.
>>716501018
No u

>>716484805 (OP)
The first week or so is exhausting

>>716484805 (OP)
Real guitar needs you to have a sense for music. Its something you must already have beforehand.
Also the best GH players all are actual musicians lmao

rocksmith is more fun than guitar hero
and i own almost every guitar hero and rockband and rock star game for the ps3 era

I kinda wish I had spent all that time I put into guitar hero styled games into real guitar desu. I think I must've put like 3000-4000 hours into those games starting with the first one.

>>716484805 (OP)
Some aspects of guitar hero do translate over to real guitar, but it's only when playing lead guitar. If you consider yourself a music fan, you should at least learn one instrument if you're not actively making music.

>>716505270
I played gh all the time for like 15 years, but I'm two years into guitar now. It's 100% worth learning, but make sure that you get a guitar that's actually playable. My first acoustic had the strings so high off of the fretboard that it was impossible for me to play anything at first so I quit.