Long Saturn

lmao. for what reason?

>>716497842
PlayStation you're a fine girl
What a fine console you would be
But my life my love and my lady is the Saturn

>>716498136
so what i don't get it. lady should be long so sataurn is long? am i getting it

Kinda based ngl

saturn the looooong way

long saturn is loooooooooong
XD

>>716497842
Development kit appearances don't really matter.

>>716499153
erotic...

>>716497796 (OP)
OK so what makes it different from a regular Saturn

Just bought a Sega Saturn. What am I in for?

>>716497796 (OP)
Long Link

>>716499296
It has 32 LEDs on it that warn for accessing forbidden parts of RAM.

>>716499376
Kino. Ridiculous game prices. Several ODE solutions.

>>716499716
How do you even prevent that if it's random access?

>>716499376
i've never even seen saturn

>>716499897
I was able to get NiGHTS, PDII, Daytona, and Sonic R for < $20 each, just waiting on them to actually arrive.

>>716499296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X53ZSxkQ3Ho

Rare Saturn with HDD and a 56KB/S

>>716500343
And it's owned by some clueless dunning-kruger fag on youtube.

>>716500343
Only 2 units of this prototype exist.

>>716500343
Isn't that sega pluto?

>>716500623
Pluto is just a codename.

>>716500894
Well if it's unreleased and the only name we have is pluto then shouldn't it be pluto? Maybe goes too phisosophical these questions

>>716499716
Why are they forbidden? What is SEGA hiding at those addresses? Will the truth ever be known???

Hello Long Saturn.

>>716503126
IF I had gameboy I'd print long cover like this because I'm tall and normal gameboy is kinda short feel it coul be more ergonomic if the screen is more up.
Original design was obviously with kids in mind, but I don't like gameboy so I'd never even get one. Just random thought

>>716500623
Yeah, it's the Pluto - an internal Sega prototype of the Saturn with a built-in NetLink modem. Only two are known to exist, and both were basically frankenstein units cobbled together during the tail-end of Saturn's lifespan. Sega had zero idea how to compete with Sony at that point so they just started slapping connectivity onto everything like it was gonna magically fix things. Still, it's a neat piece of collector lore. Looks chunky as hell.

>>716503436
Yaya I remember ben heck repairing one of those prototypes or at least some maintenance. He did the snes playstation prototype as well at some point I think.

>>716497796 (OP)
this cant be real

the saturn is and always will be a piece of shit only liked by hipsters

>>716504843
This but the N64!

>>716504969
>other system out of nowhere
Saturn is fucking garbage and always will be :^)

the saturn is and always will be a gem only liked by gigachads

>>716505079
>N64 is fucking garbage and always will be :^)
Trvth Nvke!

>can't defend the sega saturn without bringing up the n64
lol

>>716503126
Elliot Coll aka The Retro Future on YouTube

>>716505463
>Anon gets really defensive when the n64 is brought up in a Saturn thread
Kek. :)

>>716497796 (OP)
As long as Earth's distance to Saturn.

>>716505818
why are you bringing up the n64 in a saturn thread, pal? did the tendies touch you somewhere? wanna get it off your chest, saturnfucker, because I already know you have nothing better to do considering there's fuck-all to play on your pretty collector's item you bought to show off to your buddies on reddit :)

This thread reminded me I have a Japanese Saturn lying around somewhere. What's the best method of hacking it or whatever to play everything?

>>716499897
>grandia saturn
Is it better than the PS1 version?

>>716504843
Saturn is great if you can read Japanese.

>>716506110
>Is it better than the PS1 version?
Yes, in every way. There's an English translation patch too.

>>716506038
The n64 being a joke really shouldn't rile you up this much.

>>716506110
It's significantly better on Saturn.

>>716506171
Not necessary anymore.

the PS3 devkits are 2U rackmount (or vertical) machines and weigh 40 pounds which is about 20kg for you bongs, not that youll see this post anyway

>>716506110
its much grander
ahahaha
ha
haha

>>716506214
>>716506226
I love Sue she's such a cutie.
Well I guess I have a reason to sell my PS1 Grandia then. Thanks.

>>716506226
>the n64 being a joke
saturnsissy too scared to bring up the PS1, huh?

>Sega thread
>B-BUT NINTEMBO!

>>716497842
My guess is that goes into a server rack

>>716499376
Length

>>716499376
reddit karma

>>716506110
The Saturn version is the real version of Grandia. They ported it to PS1 later (no extra content), but because of the differences between the consoles the PS1 version has fucked up textures that don't tile properly.
The HD version that came out recently is based on the PS1 version, and the developers that made the port did not care to try and fix this.

>>716507195
>The HD version that came out recently is based on the PS1 version, and the developers that made the port did not care to try and fix this.
I was never gonna buy it but still...

>>716504843
>>716505079
It's a fantastic system if you like fighting games and shmups.

>>716507562
But these are the Holy Trinity of greatest genres (RTS is the third one)

>>716499153
I'd rather the retail version look rugged and raw like this.

>>716506505
>but what about the PS1!
sissy6 fag put your cock cage on, you're acting out.
>>716506664
>gets upset
typical 64fag

>>716507901
right

saturnkeks lost lmao

>>716499376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc3AK8k90xw

>saturnfags

Imagine trying to meme a piece of shit like the Sega Shiturn being worth playing, an infinitely worse console compared to the Sony Chadstation or Sega Chadcast.

Was never part of Sega's future for good reason.
>>716499376
A bunch of 2D weebshit, would never pass the 5 star Stollar system of quality.
>>716499897
Degenerate weeb virgin trash.

>>716506038
Why are you such a weirdo?

>>716509974
>>716509818
>>716509342
Discord has arrived.

>>716497842
Looks like you can fit both a PS1 and an N64 on top of it, so I'm sure it makes for a good stand.

OH BOY THE SATURN IS SO HECKING COOL, I SURE DO LOVE SCHMUPS AND SCHMUPS AND ARCADE FIGHTER PORTS AND SCHMUPS AND VISUAL NOVELS AND SCHMUPS AND VISUAL NOVELS AND VISUAL NOVELS, ALL EXCLUSIVE TO JAPAN.
THIS SYSTEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF MY FAVORITES!!! SO MANY HIDDEN GEMS!
edit: thanks for the upvotes guys! :D

>>716511240
ur welcome

>>716510901
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY LOSER WEEBSHIT SHOVELWARE SHITURN HAS LE HIDDEN GEMS IT BEAT THE HECKIN N64 IN LE JAPAN!!!
Cope and dilate you degenerate Shiturn tranny.

>>716511362
>BEAT THE HECKIN N64
You said it!

>>716511078
saturn sisters...

>>716511240
For me it's all the SRPGs.

>>716510901
>the long victorious lords, celebrating an old victory from before even 4chan existed are discord
Kys zoomer retard

>>716497842
It used oval laserdiscs

Saturn had no games, it had arcade ports and arcade games aren't games, sorry I had to be the one to tell you this

>>716511503
Just noticing the standard Shiturn cope.
>>716511601
Disgusting SRPG trash for permavirgins. America made the choice only releasing part 1.
>>716511778
This.

>>716511778
Some of its most interesting games are the ones that aren't ports.

>>716511860
You are correct to notice, it did beat the 64.

>>716511940
See this shit? This means it isn't a video game.

>>716499153
It does when they look terrible.

>260k unit lead in Japan
>despite being on the market 2 years before the N64 released
LMAO, THIS IS THE COPE SHITURNFAGS USE?!

>>716511976
As did the Chadcast, the superior system for heterosexuals. Not the dunk you think it is, Shiturn shitter.
>>716512001
This. Disgusting weeb tranny runes.

>>716512150
That - without irony - looks better than the consumer model PS5.

>>716512150
Better than what we got...

>>716499296
It probably has an ICE (in circuit emulator).
It's a thing that sit between the CPUs and the rest of the system, and you can do shit like breakpoint on specific parts of the code and read memory registers or inspect the memory etc etc..
Lot better of just trying to guess what the fuck is happening inside the device.

>>716497796 (OP)
Would he enjoy playing on it?

>>716512150
This is actually a great design.

>>716512212
N64 just keeps losing in the face of Saturn. Saturn stands shoulder to shoulder with Dreamcast (although Saturn has more and better games.)

>>716503436
Maybe they should have made some games...

>>716512001
It's literally the same thing that's below it, but in engrish.
「GANGURIFON TSU」

>>716512335
>Saturn stands shoulder to shoulder with Dreamcast (although Saturn has more and better games.)
Wrong and wrong. Chadcast erased the mistakes of the Shiturn, the worst piece of shit Sega ever made.

>Saturn stands shoulder to shoulder with Dreamcast (although Saturn has more and better games.)
delulu

>>716512783
Dreamcast having Sonic Adventure 1 & 2, Incoming!, Airforce Delta, and Crazy Taxi invalidates this objectively wrong opinion, however.

>>716511976
Lmao holy fuck. The N64 was really hard carried by first party releases huh

>>716506226
Whoever ported that game should have been banned from software development for life. They just loaded a random piece of the original floor and tiled it over and over. Its like they did not even test the game, or did not give a shit at all. That is basically a placeholder whilst getting the game running, but then they never went back to fix it.

You MUST play Sega Saturn.

>>716507195
They never even tried. Hardware differences are no excuse for what they did.

>>716497842
It's a hardware debug tool called Address Checker. It basically checks if games use memory addresses they should not be, to make sure no software does something that may break on potential future revisions (dieshrinks, ram carts, etc).

For example the 1 MB RAM carts will show up in memory mirrored across a memory region. Meaning, you have several megabytes of data repeating the data from that 1MB extra memory on the cart. It works like that because any address lines that should point above 1MB will point to nothing, so reading data from 1MB + #1 byte will return the same as reading byte #1.
In this case, reading the first 1MB is correct, but reading the mirrored segments is bad. Because if a cart should come out with more physical memory, the 1MB segments would not get mirrored, they would have actual physical data on them, and the game would end up reading garbage.

Which is why some SNK games only work with genuine 1MB carts, but will show garbled graphics with 4MB carts or Action Replays. So it's an actual problem that needs to be actually tested, and OP pic is to do that, but I guess they never added RAM checking in it.
They also made a second version of the address checker that uses built in leds instead. OP pic used SCSI to connect to a PC instead.

>>716512783
keith apicary had better moves

>>716512616
The saddest thing is Dreamcast has no good FPS games! Unlike Chadturn. Oh well at least it has a worse version of Street Fighter Alpha 3.

>>716512783
I don't speak African.

>>716513086
It's incredible, came out years later and turned out the way it is. We just didn't know any better for decades.

>>716512150
Shrink that down so its not Xbox sized and it would genuinely look better than a retail PS5.

>>716503436
why the fuck did they call it pluto? why not name it after one of saturn's moons? sega's solar system autism bothers me to no fucking end, especially since the saturn is the only one that actually came out with a planet name.

>>716513397
>Shrink that down
That's a bit of a problem with moore's law dead and buried.

>>716497796 (OP)
long saturn is loooooong

>>716513776
this can't be real

>>716513776
>image saved 2007-08-15 09:25:48
Older than most of /v/.

>>716507195
>The HD version that came out recently is based on the PS1 version, and the developers that made the port did not care to try and fix this.
The problem with fixing it is that it did better on the PS1, so people are more familiar with that version, which means fixing it will lead to those people complaining that they fucked something up.

>>716513980
i can go older

>>716497796 (OP)
so long, gay saturn

>>716512283
>>716499296
someone on Twatter posted disassembled pics of it. It's basically a Sophia devkit (same boards inside) attached to a Hitachi 7604 debugger. It doesn't have an ICE, it's just has a bunch of FPGAs to monitor invalid memory accesses and communicate to a PC via SCSI port to log them (or maybe debug them, I don't remember).

>>716502323
Some hardware parts you are not expected to use, because they are not mapped up by design, and nobody knows what the fuck may happen if you try to do it. They may work, they may return random garbage, they may work on a devkit but not on a retail console, they may break on a later die shrink of the console.

For ex. Commodore 128 was meant to be 100% backwards compatible with the Commodore 64, but coders started reverse engineering the invalid opcodes on the 64 and found that some of them were semi-stable, and you could save some processing by using them. These commands were not meant to exist, they were there because of manufacturing snafus. So when they made the C128 based on the original specs, they did not have any invalid opcodes, and the games using them ended up incompatible.

>>716513980
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/

>>716514071
This site was barely a year old when that was saved. Before Myspace took off and before Youtube even existed. Internet archaeology right there.

>>716513591
It was just a codename, they could've used anything. They did use a Saturn moon (Titan) for the arcade cab based on Saturn hardware.

Also it was a Sega of America idea, and got axed immediately. They also tried using the N64 chipset but that also got axed, or partner with Sony, and that got axed too. Then they made the Dreamcast zip drive, and Japan axed that as well. Japan really, really hated when the USA branch showed any initiative beyond "sell our games".

>>716513998
The PS1 version is very obviously broken. Even someone who had only played the PS1 version would recognize that its broken. I don't see why anyone would prefer that, its not some aesthetic difference, the graphics are straight up mangled.

>>716514191
Googling this shit a bit, seems like the CPU is effectively the ICE:
https://retrocdn.net/images/3/3e/Hitachi_E7000_SH7604_Emulator_User%27s_Manual.pdf

That's very neat and less kludge shit than an actual ICE

>>716513358
>The saddest thing is Dreamcast has no good FPS games! Unlike Chadturn.
Chadcast had Unreal Tournament and Quake 3, both with online multi-player.

Meanwhile Shiturn had mangled ports of Doom and Quake. Piece of fucking shit console.

>>716512150
Genuinely better looking and more practical than the actual ps5.

>shiturn poster is a /v/ user
lol

>Sega snoys can't go one thread without seething at Nintendo
Pathetic.

>>716512150
this looks cool as fuck

>>716514647
>Googling this shit a bit, seems like the CPU is effectively the ICE:

An ICE is basically a giant CPU emulator, sometimes made before CPU silicon even exists. It can be used for debugging, tracing, etc. For the SH2 aka SH7604, it was this giant white monolith of a thing, called the E7000, see pic. Basically, early devkits had a socketed CPU, and you could either buy socketed SH2s to insert into them (one at a time, so some early devkits didn't even have both CPUs), or you could connect the E7000 ICE, it had a huge dongle that connected into the CPU socket.
Hence why they are called In-Circuit Emulators (ICE). Early Megadrive devkits also used them.

>>716512150
That is not a console, it's a pizza oven

>>716516143
Noice

>>716515609
/vr/annies are too busy making the same
>Sisters.....what would have saved le Saturn?
threads for the billionth time in between dilations with their literal troon jannies.

At least Based Bernie can come here and save some impressionable zoomers from being memed the Shiturn wasn't a piece of SHIT

>>716516143
fuck, forgot image. This is the ICE (E7000 PC) hooked up to a Sophia devkit.

>>716498136
DOOO ndoo doo doo nDOOO ndoo DOODOODOO

and this is a devkit with the top of, see the SH2 sockets on the side.

And you can either plug a CPU inside those (they go in the two black connectors around the socket)...

>>716516521
... or you can put this spiky bad boy in the actual socket, which is called the ICE pod, and connects to the E7000 PC.

>>716497796 (OP)
I actually bought one of these irl two days ago, and I have 0 games for it. where should I start? its NTSC, my next goal is to get a Jap one

>>716516671
top side.

>>716516693
Panzer Dragoon Zwei, then Saga. About the only exclusive games on the system worth playing. Everything else is either a poor port from arcade, or had superior ports on other consoles or even PC.

Fighters Megamix is also exclusive, but it's crap because it's just Vipers with VF characters, not VF2 with Vipers characters (Virtua Fighter 2 plays much better). And it doesn't have a proper arcade mode either, so it's only really fun as long as it takes to unlock everything, then maybe to dick around in training (which is also part of unlocking everything, a hidden game requires you to OK 500 moves in training). The extra characters and VF3 moves are nice but it's still Vipers garbage, they can't even get the music to play properly between rounds.

>>716515379
I said good FPS games, not trash multiplayer portslop. Oh well, Saturn simply reigns supreme.

>>716516345
That's very cool but a bit jank

>>716515609
I haven't seen him on /vr/ in ages. The mod just nukes his posts on sight anyway.

>i collect devkits
>i use some of them still
>i help others dump their shit when they need help
I love these machines in a way I cant quite elaborate. Its not just to say I have them like most fags I want to keep the knowledge of them alive and some are getting increasingly obscure to deal with. Like I only found out from others with them that on certain models of PSP dev hardware you can open it, flip some dip switches, and you can emulate a pandora's battery with it. Holy shit

Do any of you have a favorite? mine is easily the PS3 devkit, That big bastard is ridiculous but I really only needed it for the extra 256mb of ram it has

>>716499376

>>716517210
Most Saturn versions of games are definitive. Radiant Silvergun, Cotton 2 and Boomerang, Guardian Force, Mass Destruction and of course Elevator Action Returns. All legendary games too.

>>716516345
>>716516428
>>716516521
>>716516671
>>716516805
That is basically what i have in mind when i say ICE.
It's very cool shit.

>>716517338
It's a dev kit.

>>716517525
>Radiant Silvergun
available on xbla, psn, switch, steam, with no downsides

>Cotton Boomerang
censored compared to arcade original

>Cotton 2
literally arcade game on a disc with 0 extras, plus needs RAM cart

>Mass Destruction
It's just a Return Fire clone, you can play either that or Wargames Defcon 1 on PSX (which has a full 3d world).

not familiar enough with the other two but they are also arcade clones iirc, so probably downscaled on the Saturn either graphically, in resolution, animation, sound quality, or loading times.

>>716517525
There's Ogre Battle, Tactics Ogre, Vandal Hearts and Soukyugurentai as well.

>>716518087
>Cotton 2 needs a RAM cart
It's not mandatory, it just uses it for extra voice samples.

>>716517225
>shiturn ports of boomer shooter slop
>good
lel

>>716512150
this will be consoles in 2013

here's how the saturn can still be saved

>>716511601
You can't read japanese.

>>716520328
Don't need to for SCIII Scenario 2 & 3 since they've been translated for a while.

>>716520504
I don't know what compels me to keep abbreviating Shining Force 3 with SCIII, retardation most likely.

I'm trying to buy Grandia Saturn and I'm noticing there are different covers.
Green is the regular game?

>>716521867
There's the Trial Version which is a demo (obviously) that has a red sunset looking box, then the original green marble looking one, then the re-release with Justin and Feena looking at a map, and finally the Grandia Digital Museum which is a collection of mini games.

>>716500432
As opposed to? It's not like it has amazing shit on it to be unlocked by a tech-wiz.

>>716522357
I'm not saying it requires any expertise, just that the youtuber in question is a retard that doesn't know what he's talking about.

>>716518087
Radiant is best on Saturn. A port existing doesn't change this, no other version compares especially the disgusting 360 port lol.

>>716502323
Nta but it might be either reserved or it might be straight up defective like MFM hard drives were, those would ship with a list of bad sectors out of the box.

>>716522306
Thanks. That minigame collection looks like it's worth an emulate.
>re-release
As in nothing new was added? Now I'm scared if the original had some sort of game-breaking bug that had to be fixed.

>>716523051
Probably just a budget re-release with a more appealing box art, there's no revision according to redump's database.

Nah, but for real, why when a console is clearly struggling does the top brass decide the best way to counter this is to release LESS games that focus squarely on something your console was clearly not made to prioritize during development?

Saturn is shit man. All the good games are arcade ports that run like trash. And that was also it's other problem. While PS and N64 were delivering big ass and extensive adventures, the Saturn was still trying to sell the "arcade at home" meme that everyone had already gotten over over with.

>>716525631
its other, not it's other

>>716525631
So saturn has aged the best out of them all, arcade games have a timeless quality to them.