Thread 716505287

Why are gamers so resistant to the idea of modern fantasy?

>>716505287 (OP)
FPS fags are boring cunts
Their idea of experimentation is gay colors seen in Valorant and Apex

>>716505287 (OP)
I have dreamed of an valkyria chronicles bf game for almost a decade now

DARPA isn't going to give funding to non-us propaganda shooter games

>>716505287 (OP)
Since all these games are full of women soldiers they already are modern fantasy.

>>716505776
true as hell

>>716505287 (OP)
You need an imagination to be able to both come up with and enjoy fantasy worlds and the average person these days can't even rotate an apple in their head

>>716505287 (OP)
What? Isn't Black Ops all about alternate Earth? And haven't they made fantasy near-future and far-future Call of Duty and Battlefield games?

>>716505287 (OP)
BF games are tied in the loosest of terms to "muh realism" (even though the series isn't in the slightest)
Most people were generally resistant to franchises doing the made up future setting anyways, and from what I've seen when COD does fake country, fake setting people didn't care for it all that much either. Especially when it was really easy to see the real life parallels
>>716505776
i got bad news anon but there are in fact women in the military

>>716505287 (OP)
the largest audiences of modern fps games are burgers, ivans, chinks, and pajeets all of whom get off on nationalistic fantasies and "MUH REALISM!" wank, so a fictional world with made-up modern nations battling isn't as appealing as using real-life guns to fight """"real-life""" military forces/terrorists/whatever.

you'll notice the japanese are absent from this list since post-occupation they're literally constitutionally barred from having a military, so they don't give a shit about call of duty and do actually make and play scifi/alternate reality military games like Ace Combat or Chrome Hounds and even when it's """"nominally"""" set in our world it's like fucking Metal Gear where it might as well be a different universe entirely since everything is so changed

>>716506020
>i got bad news anon but there are in fact women in the military
No shit. They're kept as far away from the frontlines as possible and they only recently got female special forces by literally DEI'ing them through the course.

I can't imagine caring about my faction in fucking battlefield, you're all using the same guns anyway

>>716505287 (OP)
my problem is that this pax armada shit is so fucking gay. if you aren't going to use real countries don't use the real world

>>716505287 (OP)
Popular FPS games are funded by the US military for propaganda purposes and building consent for their future wars, of course they use real countries that they expect to fight in the future.

>>716505287 (OP)
For gamers to resist it wouldn't someone have to offer it to them?

>>716506342
>they only recently got female special forces
ah so it is realistic then
i shall be buying BF6

>>716505287 (OP)
?
What does he think Overwatch, Valorant, and that new Valve game I can't remember the name of are?

Also plenty of shooters in SciFi earth settings exist.

>>716506769
>ah so it is realistic then
So long as they cut their stats in half making them a detriment to the player and their entire team, yes.

>>716506368
This. It only matters in historical games. I'm still mad about lack of soviets in BFV but who cares about modern day fictional wars? Might as well call them team red and blue.

>>716506942
>So long as they cut their stats in half
you should see the average manlet enlisted most of the world uses
>>716506368
I care only so far as it usually determines when/where the levels take place. BF4 with china and russia was a good variety for maps and environments

>>716506825
> Overwatch/Valorant.
> Modern Fantasy.
That's sci-fi nonsense not Modern Fantasy, try again, modern fantasy are games like Metro 2033 and Stalker even if they are set in Post-Apocalypse and then of course Vampire the Masquerade is Modern Fantasy despite it trying to be a horror setting its just Dark Fantasy set in Modern Universe, its not quite horror unless you play as a Human Hunter out to get the other creatures of the night.

>>716505287 (OP)
>modern fantasy
That's not what came to mind when I read that.

What your pic describe is more like alternative world. Thought I guess Valkyria Chronicles is totally fantasy.
But frankly I suspect it has nothing to do with player disliking it and more with >>716505654
Consider this:
If you want ANY help from the military to "make better movie/game" you have to make a contract with them about making them look good.
That's it.

But they probably also cater to a very fanatic fanbase who will talk shit of the game if its weapon aren't 1:1 replica of real weapon so they know it work.

If you didn't intend to make a realishtic game in the first place, I've never heard a player be resistant to the idea.
Players don't buy those game only because they barely make them.

>>716506942
>So long as they cut their stats in half
You'd probably get bullied physically by the female US grunts that exist, even allowing for them blowing their way through boot-camp.

>>716508753
That's more Alt-History Sci-Fi (Nu-Wolfenstein) with tech that didn't exist.

>>716508753
This is more akin "Fantasy" set in similar period.

>>716508976
We can go into sub-sub-sub-genre.
A lot of our Cyberpunk work became retro now that we live in one.

>>716509125
Plenty of magic in that setting, even if you called it "alternate science" it's not doing it for the purpose of speculation but art.
That's where I would put the line down.
Just like Starwars would be better called science-fantasy than science-fiction.

Just make Kaiserreich into a fps game, problem solved. BF1 with more and richer content.

>>716506020
>i got bad news anon but there are in fact women in the military
not on the front lines.
the Ukraine Russia war should've irrefutably confirmed to you people that women just aren't made for waging war and in real scenarios they don't wage war. sure you can talk during peacetime or on social media about how women are just as capable just as war-capable etc etc but then the real war begins and suddenly 99% of the soldiers are men and women are free to go wherever they want (unlike men who are detained and not allowed to leave the coutnry)

>>716515921
>that women just aren't made for waging war
>unlike men who are detained and not allowed to leave the coutnry

>men are forcibly conscripted
>women aren't
>geeee why are all the women fleeing the war zone wtf??????????
what person who isn't suicidal is volunteering to fight in the ukraine meat grinder

>>716516636
even before the men started being forcibly detained, you were hard pressed to ever see a woman on the front lines

in the real world, reality reigns and not what we would like it to be. women aren't soldiers, outside of very extreme outliers. it's just not how it works in real life, it's only a cute notion you find in fiction

>>716505287 (OP)
because high-fantasy is set in europe middle ages, which is white

I'm giving you 5 quintillion dollars to make Battlefield but it's Shadowrun. Titans are replaced with Dragons.
Don't disappoint me, anonymous.

>>716506020
>Most people were generally resistant to franchises doing the made up future setting anyways
But 2142 was great.

>>716505287 (OP)
>battlefield style game set in strangereal universe
Fuckin sold, I wanna be on the ground when the schizo Belkans drop nukes on me (also Belkan) for not winning.

>>716505287 (OP)
westoid modern military slop is all just a glorified advertisement to send goyim to die in semetic wars
modern fantasy runs counter to that

>>716505287 (OP)
A lot of COD's audience wants to LARP without the mechanical demands of an actual milsim so they can still sprint around like lunatics and blast things with assault rifles with laser-like accuracy. You ditch a vaguely real world setting for speculative fiction and you start losing them.

That's why Battlefield just invented a new thing for America to fight.

>>716517301
2142 was a commercial flop. BF2 sold 2.5M copies while 2142 sold 250K.

>>716517893
Low recoil ARs are more realistic than milisim ARs with 20 cm recoil between each shots.

>>716517439
Yeah, it’s pretty gross. I didn’t think Halo was going to be like that, but it’s literally just marines hoorah amerimutt garbage. I wonder if they’re even aware of how stupid and fake it all looks to the average person.

>>716505287 (OP)
>CnC Generals Battlefield crossover
>US vs China vs GLA
>ECA and Russian Federation added later as separate factions

>>716505287 (OP)
The west is incapable of distinguishing behind fantasy and history and will blend the 2 in the worst way

>>716505287 (OP)
publishers dont want to fund fictional fps games, they want skindeep milsims that they can put ugly out of place skins in

>>716516838
>even before the men started being forcibly detained, you were hard pressed to ever see a woman on the front line
there could be an innumerable number of reasons behind that down to culture, treatment, etc. Just making an uninformed blanket statement based off of one piece of evidence isn't very convincing
>women aren't soldiers
I don't even think the average man is, truth is there are very few "true soldiers" who live for war. Most men who become soldiers aren't there out of choice
>>716517301
as great as it may have been it definitely was the black sheep of the refractor era

>>716519378
You are retarded

>>716519587
not an argument :^)

>>716505287 (OP)
I don't get it. The vast majority of modern FPS already are about finctional loosely based on Earth settings.

>>716506020
>seen when COD does fake country, fake setting people didn't care for it all that much
The most popular call of duty game mw2 is about a war with russia which wasnt happening at the time.

>>716519694
Burgertown, home.....

>>716519694
>Ramirez burger king has fallen.
Closer to reality than you think

>>716505287 (OP)
Because that's boring. Weebs have very low standards when it comes to story so imitating what works in Japanese games probably wouldn't work for everybody else.

>>716519694
The difference is that it's fictionalized America, we understand it's an abstraction of Virginia just outside DC with fictional chain restaurants and suburb layouts, not an entire fictional setting inspired by America like how Earthbound takes place in Eagleland.

>>716505287 (OP)
Probably because the average FPS player has nothing going on in between their ears and just mindlessly consumes every title

>>716505287 (OP)
I want a game that only has female soldiers in it with maid and anime skins.

>>716517162
god i fucking wish

>>716520541
>female soldiers
>that pic
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this...

>>716520541
troon theres plenty of that trash on the market

>>716505287 (OP)
muh realizumzs

>>716505654
>DARPA
Pentagon, but you are right, a lot of these shooters get money from the USMIC, but that requires casting the military in a good light

>>716505287 (OP)
They are already doing the "it's le generic mercs" bit and it's fake and gay.
WARRR GIVE ME WARRRRRRR
AMERICANS SHOOTING RUSSIANS
CHINESE SHOOTING AMERICANS
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

>>716505287 (OP)
FPS fans are generally low IQ and wouldn't be able to grasp a earth like world like Strangereal.
Playing as fucking Rick and Morty works though because it's famous property in famous property

>>716521840
Based carnage enjoyer

>>716518971
>ECA and Russian Federation added later as separate factions
Why add Russia second time when GLA already exist?

>>716522830
Because the GLA is cool enough to stand on its own. Besides mixing vodkanig with camel jockey VAs ruins the overall aesthetics. Ruskies can have their coal powered stuff and the GLA will stick their ramshakle junkyard gear slapdashed with soviet era surplus. ECA would be the real head scratcher because they fucking suck as a faction. Turtle kings with subpar armor and mediocre artillery in a fight where everyone is maining war crimes and rampant atomic warfare for shits and giggles. You can't be a middle of the road affair with those kinds of extremes at play.

>>716519694
MW2 was literal propaganda to promote NATO eastward expansion (aka a rehashing of the Domino theory). The infamous Nyet means Nyet memo was made at the same time as kids and teenagers were raging in Favela, Highrise or Rust.

>>716523558
>and the GLA will stick their ramshakle junkyard gear slapdashed with soviet era surplus.
I'm sorry but that's what Russia is

It would need elves

>>716505287 (OP)
modern fantasy is having a loving wife, affording a home, and having kids. the fact that i have all of this, and mostly entirely because my grandparents and parents lucked out shows how fucking awful the world is. i don't want modern anything. modernity is being jailed for pointing out the piss on your head isn't rain.

>>716507614
>you should see the average manlet enlisted most of the world uses
Women can't lift their own body weight. Even a manlet the same size can do that several times over them. Young male children outperform women in physical activities.

>>716508865
>You'd probably get bullied physically by the female US grunts
lmao have you seen military training standards these days? Half the women I see in there posting videos to social media are 5 foot tall chubby latinas who look like they couldn’t run a mile if their life depended on it

>>716505287 (OP)
foot soldier simuilators are explicitly propaganda
they only exist to instill hate to america's current enemy

>>716505287 (OP)
>fictional loosely-based-on-Earth
>Ace Combat
Ace combat is creatively bankrupt and lazy, banking on fans of IRL airplane to cash in.
Indy game like Nuclear Option at least attempt to make their own take on futuristic aircraft, even if it means taking inspirations at least it's not a copypasted model.

>>716505287 (OP)
>notyourbro666
fuck off satan and finally leave our games alone

>>716523965
Would elves.

>>716505287 (OP)
battlefield is for normalfags and they'll be repelled at lightspeed at the thought of fantasy. the whole point is to make the game for tacticool faggots.

>>716506227
>literally constitutionally barred from having a military
That hasn't been true for a long time, Article 9 has dwindled to basically nothing except "Japan won't invade people or use nukes"

>>716506368
I think more people would be interested if factions had more unique characteristics. Giving each faction exclusive tools and weaponary that caters to specific play styles would keep the game interesting

>>716523724
Alright have fun playing with your carbon copy setups for the modern audiences. Paragliders and killdozers are still viable enough if you don't want to go full Corvid with a green paint scheme.

>>716505287 (OP)
>>716505545
The people playing milsims or at least plausibly realistic shit aren't the ones playing valorant or apex. COD belongs to the fags now, BF will too.

>>716508753
>But they probably also cater to a very fanatic fanbase who will talk shit of the game if its weapon aren't 1:1 replica of real weapon so they know it work
I remember everyone bitching when MGS switched to fictional weapons instead of licensed ones. Who gives a fuck.

>>716524623
in CnC America reflected IRL America, China reflected perception of Chinese military and GLA reflected Iraq and terrorist cells fighting in middle east, of course with fantastic things added to each faction(lasers for USA, nuclear for China and Antrax for GLA)
So should they add Russia they either have to do something that has nothing to do with Russia or make slightly different GLA

>>716505287 (OP)
Because "modern fantasy" is always just the same fucking thing.
>Not USA: It's just the USA but now its lead by a fat black woman
>Nor Russia: it's just Russia but now they kept up technologically
>Not China: it's just China.
>Not Insurgent Forces: What if the middle east country that isn't Jewish had a single functioning country with a military
Its boring.

Wish we got some of this

>>716505287 (OP)
Fuck Velka

>>716525213
>So should they add Russia they either have to do something that has nothing to do with Russia or make slightly different GLA
What about Tsarist Russia if it never fell under the Romanovs? 1 out of every 15 player in the match spawns in without shoes. You could probably do a similar with the China under the Neo-Qing. Everyone has a full Fu Manchu and accompanying ponytail with squads being designated under colored banners that someone has to physically carry around in real time.

>>716507614
the weakest 20% of men are still stronger than 80% of all women.

why overcomplicate things
no one plays these games for the story

>>716505949
Why would there be an apple in your head?

>>716505287 (OP)
If you want soul keep buying Japanese games and stop buying US/urpoor garbage?

>>716527412
because you are bald
the apple is made of gold
we're in Africa

>>716523965
>typical fantasy races like elves, dwarves, goblins and demons making up major factions
>vehicles are magically enhanced, tank cannons that are basically giant spell staffs
>one third of the players on the server are camping the airfield so they can ride the dragon
would

>>716505287 (OP)
Gunball players don't have any imagination

>>716509125
>weeb shit
dropped. nobody wants to play dress up with you tranny, we want to shoot each other

>>716528758
anime website

>>716505287 (OP)
>can make the countries commit outlandish war crimes without offending anybody irl
>massive superweapons exist
>legendary war heroes associated with mythologies
>orchestral ost and latin chants
Fuck, why isn't this a thing actually?

>>716530314
because western devs are afraid to experiment

>>716528758
>play dressup
That's every western shooter for the past ten years.
That "weeb shit" has none of that gay stuff, you flaming homo.

>>716521617
name 1

>>716530314
FPS gamers don’t want all of that. They just want to live out their boots on the ground oorah fantasies.

>>716527412
>>716505949
ACK!!!!!!!

>>716530496
Western devs invented most of the genres.

>>716531705
>That "weeb shit" has none of that gay stuff
see
>>716529990
keep coping and seething weeb scum

Wait hold up this is actually a good idea, OP

>>716527412
...but I did have breakfast massa..

I'm actually experiencing whiplash that a twitter thread actually proposed a good idea for once. Why isn't this more of a thing? Are normies allergic to fictional settings?

>>716534883
the ones working in the industry right now can only invent ways of not working for years while still getting money

>>716535528
It takes effort and the idea of real world abstracts guarantees the following:
1. You have reference models already
2. You don't have to world build nearly as much
3. It lets you open wallets from nationalists, especially Americans
4. It opens you to funding from the government, which does this for recruitment

Personally I'd take the setting of Bellum Aria where the nations of the Halkarva Sea inlet are fighting a war of existence against the Almerian Federation and its South Ostian Treaty allies and broken arrow nukes are going off willy nilly while duo-turret tanks advance in armor columns under the support of MLRS artillery and stealth drones hunt Ostian scum in the mud trenches of during the Red Autumn Knife-fight.

Maybe throw in some geopolitics with how the Halkarva Sea is just a proxy war to test out equipment for the upcoming, Fifth World War.

But for now, we'll get America vs. Not-Russia.

>>716536486
Huh. Good points. Appreciate the write up.

God I hope VC5 becomes a thing one day. That series is too good to be shoved into SEGA's IP graveyard.

Really wish we could've gotten something akin to 86 esque vidya