Thread 716513683

Would it have succeeded if it was called Psychoshock or Neuroshock instead?

no. other than the 4 autists who are still upset that it has the same name as a cinematic trailer named after another game that it also had nothing to do with, no one gives a fuck about prey as a "series"

no. the game flopped because it wasnt good. it had nothing to do with the title. nobody played the original prey and you still cant buy a legal copy of that game.

>>716514072
fuck you i liked it

>>716513935
I meant less because it disappointed Prey fans, and more because it's not a very distinct name, and also doesn't show the game's connection to the shock games.

>>716513683 (OP)
The enemies were fucking annoying so nobody bothered with it.

>>716513683 (OP)
I would've been more likely to buy it when it came out. I had no idea it was an immersive sim and thought the anons calling it amazing were full of shit. Then I played it and realized they were right. But I don't think Prey had any chance of success because immersive sims were on their way out in general. Mankind Divided failed too despite Human Revolution's warm reception.

>>716514072
game was great

>>716516093
At the start, you eventually have the tools and knowledge to hard counter all of them

>>716513683 (OP)
No, the writing was bland and reddit-millenial core. No enemy variety either.

>>716516561
I enjoyed the writing, but it was too subdued to really have any iconic moments like system shock 2 or bioshock

>>716516450
It's not fun for me to walk around the room looking for hidden paths and stuff while waiting for the trash can to turn into a world of goo blob. Bio/System shocks don't do this. Deus Ex doesn't do this.

>>716514072
Come on, man. That's just disingenuous. It was competent. It did a lot of things right. I think the main problems with it was how emotionally hollow it was because of how its setting worked, but the other aspects of it had a lot of thought put into it. Don't just label it as a negative.

>>716516561
>writing
>arkane
Arkane never had good writing but I appreciate how it's utilitarian and doesn't get in the way. The studio died but I hope Colantonio's new game with his new studio has even less writing.
>reddit-millenial core
?
>No enemy variety either
Oh, so you didn't play the game

>>716517109
Le small black shadow creature and.....le big black shadow creatures!

>>716514895
>>716516371
>>716516875
>>716516450
>>716516681
Bethesda console slop filled with browns and gays for the modern consolefag audience.
Harvey Smith is a hack

>>716513683 (OP)
Yes.
The game design is glorious.

That said, it was a bit disappointing for some of the "cosmic horror creature from outer space" to be the usual anthropomorphic enemy.
https://youtu.be/9pXIFqrXW3k?t=166

It DID succeed. It was an awesome game.

>>716513683 (OP)
no weapon variety, no enemy variety, no build variety and most of the "imsim" elements are either overstated or plain useless

>>716513683 (OP)
I have tried and failed to play this game all the way though 3-4 times since it's release, and I always get bored a few hours in and uninstall. I beat the System Shock remake on hard mind you, so I do like these kinds of games. Prey sucks, simple as.

>>716517315
It has more depth than dark messiah

>Piss easy
>Outside of phantoms, enemies are meh
>Meh weapons
Meh game

>>716513683 (OP)
It's just a dogshit game, has nothing to do with its name. No one played injun Prey in the first place.

>>716517389
God that remake looks ugly as fuck, I can never bring myself to play it.

>>716517315
Prey is Arkane's magnum opus and it isn't even close.

>>716517407
Dark Messiah easily beats it in environmental interaction alone and the RPG elements it has are piss poor and lifted directely from Bioshock.

It's a mediocre game praised by Bethesda faggots

>>716513683 (OP)
no
"immersive sim" is meme shit and there aren't enough terminally online autists to sustain this garbage
"interacting" with NPCs through a bulletproof glass got old back in 7th gen and even System Shock 2 knew it needed more than 4 enemy types to keep the game interesting.

Ahhh being a mediocre game, a fate worse than death

>>716513683 (OP)
What about dead space -- hold up
Seriously though, it's too far away from bioshock and closer to "immersive sims" and audience of those games would recognise it with any name
>>716514072
> Original Prey®
From creators of "having a blast playing Dragon's Dogma" and "Trails are kino JRPG"

>>716517516
It's top tier, you're missing out

>>716517571
Like you ever played anything they made but Dishonored! lol

>>716517657
>"interacting" with NPCs through a bulletproof glass
You interact with most npcs directly

>>716513683 (OP)
I never finished this game and tend to agree with most of the criticisms it receives but every now and then I remember the Gloo Gun and webms of clever Morph/Crossbow shenanigans and I gaslight myself into thinking it was actually a masterpiece that I need to replay.

>>716517571
Arx is still my favorite game of theirs, Prey is probably my number two

>>716517773
>Gloo gun
Something you think you're going to use extensively in a good way, and instead you barely use it outside 5 climbing puzzles.

>>716517820
Fuck no, I wish I could have unplayed Prey

>>716517994
>Something you think you're going to use extensively in a good way, and instead you barely use it outside 5 climbing puzzles.
So you didn't play Prey.

>>716515594
It's not connected to System Shock in any way beyond the formula, though, I'm not sure what failed Prey was not calling it System Shock 3

>>716517994
It's the best way to counter plain phantoms, and it's often useful to be able to climb freely.

>Preychads
>like SS and Prey
>Posers
>likes SS1 (remake only)

>>716513683 (OP)
No, it needed more enemy types, better enemy designs, better environments, better story, better dialogue.
>BUT I CAN USE THE GLOOGUN OR TURN INTO A COFFED CUP TO SKIP HAVING TO UNLOCK A DOOR
Only carries a game so far

>>716513683 (OP)
No the old prey "fans" not being angry wouldn't have changed anything. They probably should've paid famous streamers to play it.

>>716518164
Bioshock isn't directly connected to it either. I'm not saying it should be called system shock 3, but a name like Neuroshock or Psychoshock would show that it's a spiritual successor to those games. And if nothing else it'd be more catchy

>>716518215
What's there to counter? You instagib those niggas with slide->shotgun to the face

>>716518164
He doesn't mean connected literally, he means very plainly associating itself with the System Shock brand, like Bioshock. To people who like these types of games, Bioshock, for instance, tells them what to expect. Prey doesn't. I don't think it ultimately matters, just clarifying his point.

The the record, though, Prey official started development as System Shock 3.

how is a game like this ever going to succeed when gaming has changed so much? people just don't play this kind of game anymore. There's no incentive for a dev to make something like it.

I mean I'm not shitting on this game, I love Prey, I just hate the state of the gaming industry right now and I feel like people like myself have been left behind completely. The types of games I want to play just rarely get made anymore and it fucking sucks.

>>716518376
Late game sure, early game no

>best videogame genre
>all games in the genre fail
Why did god do this?

>>716513683 (OP)
Perhaps.
What it could have benefitted from was something to actually give it a bit more to stand out.

Soundtrack was pretty neat too.

>>716518621
Only bit of the soundtrack I remember is that one comfy guitar track that sometimes plays

>>716517389
Playing SS1R right now and you're a fag for hating on Prey.

>>716518268
> more enemy types, better enemy designs
to have more enemies overall and skew it into action game?
there's already like 10-15? and they're pretty different
> better environments
space aesthetics with art deco flavour is what? boring or unoriginal?
> better story, better dialogue
watch a movie

All Arkane games are mediocre

>art deco underwater
:|
>art deco in spaaaaaaaaace
:O

>>716518954
I give BioShock a pass because Ryan is a psycho and its also set during a period where some Atlas shrugged retard would be like YOOOO THIS SHIT IS FIRE!
Prey they play it almost completely straight-faced like "oh you mean the pillars and statues of lions and shit? What about em?"

>>716518850
A problem I have with the enemies is that many of them are samey. Like I never feel like there's that much practical difference between an ethereal phantom, a flaming phantom and an electric phantom, other than what you have to throw at them to counter them. Mimics are cool, although that one scope upgrade removes the most interesting aspect of them, and they have that bullshit dodge if you try to hit them in melee.
Also fuck weavers.

>>716518954
Are you implying Bioshock is disliked?

>Nightmare
>Oh so scary enemy, designed to push your shit in
>80% of the time it gets stuck cause lol 2big for most levels
>Rest is just cheesing him cause lol vents and devs never had the foresight of adding some sort of enemy that can fuck you up in catwalks/vents

>>716519056
One thing I really like about it is that you can clearly see how the art deco design is just a veneer hiding the more industrial guts of the space station.

>>716519075
>game gives you the psychoscope like 2 hours into the game
What the fuck were they thinking, why is the entire game like this? They'll give you the turn fucking invisible upgrade at the git and then make you work for 4% damage increase

>>716519093
Only 2 was good

>>716519219
The psychoscope alone doesn't detect mimics, it just lets you scan shit to unlock typhon powers. But it does give you the mimic detector pretty soon after

>>716519147
They should have taken inspiration from alien isolation for the design of a hunter enemy yeah. Nightmares just get their fat ass stuck in a doorway and are bullied to death by recycler charges

How's mooncrash?

>>716519430
Should have been the whole game.

>>716519430
A fun novelty.
Should extend your playtime a bit.

>>716517315
Dark Messiah was made obsolete by Dishonored. It's inferior to that game in pretty much every aspect except combat.
>Bethesda
They only published it, Arkane were the devs,
>console slop filled with browns and gays for the modern consolefag audience.
It has infinitely more depth than Dark Messiah which is just a glorified tech demo to show off "muh Source physics!!!".
>>716517620
>piss poor and lifted directely from Bioshock.
No you fucking retard, both Bioshock and Prey are spiritual successors to System Shock 2, with the difference that Prey actually builds upon the mechanics of its predecessor while Bioshock dumbed them down for 7th gen Dudebros.

>>716519430
They should give "Roguelike" mode to the base game. Talos I > moonbase

>>716517389
Why is there always someone trying to stir beef between fans of the System Shock Remake and Prey? Both are fantastic games that excel in different areas. Prior is a great Dungeon Crawler FPS while latter has superb exploration and skills.

>>716520610
>It's inferior to that game in pretty much every aspect except the aspect everyone plays it for

>>716520643
They did, it's called starting a new game

>>716520610
>It's inferior to that game in pretty much every aspect except combat
So the only aspect of gameplay that matters. Good to know

Would (you) a typhon?

>>716518589
The genre is unironically too intelligent to succeed in the modern market. Same as flight games

>>716513683 (OP)
Maybe. I remember I quite enjoyed the original Prey, but more than that I was excited after that bounty hunter trailer for Prey 2. I was really annoyed that never came out and that they just recycled the name to slap it on a completely different and completely unrelated game.

>>716513683 (OP)
Immersive sims tend to do poorly because they're failed FPSes that have to fall back on secondary mechanics.

>>716521127
Plane games do succeed though, because they appeal to middle-aged dads with 401ks. Same with sim games

>>716521076
Considering they can turn into humans, yes.

>>716521076
I'd rather a corrupted Science Operator.

Prey > Arx > Dishonored > Dishonored 2 > Dark Messiah

Never understood why so many people glaze a mid action game.

>>716513683 (OP)
It could've possibly broken even but it wouldn't have been enough to warrant more games in the franchise.

>>716517620
>the pic
>the card
>the packaging
>the game

TAKE.ME.BACK.
>>716520610
t.absolute retard (or normie)

>>716521380
Arx > Prey > Dishonored > Dark Messiah > Dishonored 2
Should have made Emily the sole protagonist, do the fable 2 thing with twin siblings if you wanna have a selectable gender

>>716520887
I enjoy dark messiah as a whole package, not just kicking

>>716521450
I mean it got a DLC even with it's poor performance

>>716513683 (OP)
it was an okay game
the dlc was good

>>716521576
People enjoy dark messiah for two things: combat and best succ

Can Levine redeem himself?

Prey 2006 = Dark Messiah > Dishonored 1 > power gap > the rest (order doesn't matter)

>>716521567
Dishonored 2's story and premise are dogshit, and it runs like ass, but you can't deny the levels are gorgeous and introduce enough novelty to earn it a few points. Though I'd rather replay Dark Messiah than D2 so maybe you have a point.

>>716521734
Prey 06 has nothing to do with anything.

>>716521707
I enjoy for the level design, excellent environmental design, pacing, atmosphere, color pallet

and of course combat and xana, it wouldn't be what it is without it no doubt

Literally all it needed was more marketing budget lmao

>>716521475
I didn't get a copy with my specific card, so I bought an OEM one on eBay for like $5. It was already activated on Steam, so I told them I bought it with my card, and the receipt didn't show anything related to Dark Messiah. They let me just send in a pic of the disc/sleeve with the code visible and deactivated it from whatever account it was already on.

>>716521710
Better question is can Colantonio, after weird west was meh at best. At least their next game is first person.

>>716521795
I know but it deserves the respect regardless for having it's name forced upon an unrelated game

>>716521785
Dishonored suffers from the player having two distinct possible skillsets so the levels are made for neither. Unlike dishonored 1 where a lot of things could be built around blink and the like

>>716521707
>combat
If you did anything other than kick the vast majority of enemies (Cyclops required eye stabbing, spiders couldn't be kicked, and the Pao Kai was a scripted thing; so anything else), you played it inefficiently. It wasn't good combat.
>best succ
Ahem.

>>716522002
*Dishonored 2

>>716521710
I have strong doubts, it's a modern-day AAA Western thing after all, isn't it? 0 trust, it will be probably be plagued with the same gay & lame shit as the rest of the industry.,

>>716517994
>you barely use it outside 5 climbing puzzle
did you even play prey you nigger
gloo gun is for
>sealing breaches
>putting out fires
>gunking up turrets
>fortifying doorways
>freezing and stalling typhon
>gunking up operators and flying typhon, causing them to fall down and take massive damage
>creating climbing platforms to reach areas out of reach before you have a jetpack or strength
>sealing broken circuits to prevent electric shocks
>a projectile launcher in zero grav that's great for pushing objects or destroying cystoids
>sets off explosive grenade traps
>at two points is even used to create a safe floor across an electrified environment
gloo gun is one of the cooler additions to the game and helps increase immersion because its easy to imagine it being used in the game world, it's not just some random thing given to you for no reason

>>716521897
Weird West didn't inspire much confidence in me. I hope he can do better.

>People still cream themselves over Dishonored
lol

>>716521869
that's pretty based on their part

well I salute you, 00's vets stick together

>>716522105
i also forgot that it's used, many many fucking times, to seal up pipes which are spraying fire or toxic gas into rooms
it can also be used to distract enemies like throwing items or knocking walls in other games

>>716522202
It can also be used to make people uninstall the game out of disgust.

>>716518306
It's not about getting fan from a game that didn't have any.

It's about getting the Bioshock & System shock fans

>>716522252
Most retarded post on /v/ right now.

>>716521897
yeah honestly I have my doubts, weird west wasn't meant to be a banger but a proof of concept that a studio can get a working game out properly

he is too fixated on his muh dishonored creator to...attract normies ? they won't care if it's not bundled with cod nowdays, that makes me suspicious, the setting is also whatever, will see though

>>716522307
Why did you label your post?

>>716522417
(Yu)

>>716520949
>So the only aspect of gameplay that matters.
People play Thief for the combat?
>>716521475
>Boomer
>no argument
t. norwooding boomer

>>716514072
its a great game
first couple hours are amazing, then starts getting to be a bit of a slog but overall its great

>>716513683 (OP)
something like mooncrash with actually good gunplay would be GOTYAY

>>716521607
Most likely part of the contract they signed when starting development. Forspoken and Suicide Squad also got expansions.

There's so many flaws but one of my favorite gaming experiences. The verticality, feeling of openness, and general presentation were great. Even better with Rosodude's balancing mod

>>716519373
how did you have enough ammo to cheese all of them?
i played on the medium difficulty and im pretty sure i sucked the entire station dry of recycleables and didn't have that much ammo

>>716522802
The Recycler/Fabricator is your friend.

>>716522802
I played on hard and I had recycler shots to spare. Didn't even recycle that much furniture. They're plentiful and cheap to craft

>>716522756
>Rosodude's balancing mod
Neat, will check it out

>>716520798
Because Reddit tourists can only discuss things in terms of a competition with a win condition. You can't enjoy video games, you can only enjoy 1 (so it better beat every other video game ever)

>>716523154
there's a few balancing mods I've seen so I'm not saying his is the best. His fork of GMDX is good so I just went with his mod for Prey

>>716522482
my argument is that you are a normal fag who does not have the capacity to perceive

I'm not gonna cast pearls before swine

keep buying games with numbers after them because "they are obviously better"

I'm only half trolling too

>>716513683 (OP)
It failed?
Looks like it has sold a lot, is regarded well. I'm currently playing through it for the first time and am enjoying it. It's Bioshock but better.
It's the chinese shit that holds it back. Chinese protagonist, chinese influences in aesthetics that makes it seem a bit goofy

>>716522802
Recycle duplicate weapons (take ammo out before picking them up)
Recycle food items, especially cans and tins
Spend some time hauling a lot of random shit into a bundle and put a recycler grenade in the heap. Shoot it with the pistol and pick up the materials

>>716513683 (OP)
>Dude games are too easy today, I wish they'd make more games that reward using strategy and create satisfying power curves
>Ok, in our game you use the Gloo Gun instead to incapacitate until you get stronger
>BORING SLOW GAME ZZZZZZZZ I SLEEP
>>716522002
I think this is my problem with D2. I love all (ok - most) Arkane games but there's something about D2 where all my hype was wiped away when I actually started the game and saw the cracks in less than an hour in

>>716522802
You really, REALLY have to try to run out of ammo in this game

>>716523520
I mean the protagonist is American probably, just wish Chinese heritage.

>>716523286
>Frognigger
>Calling anyone a normalfag

>>716523786
>in our game you use the Gloo Gun instead to incapacitate until you get stronger
Nobody does that. You kill shit super easy with just melee

>>716514072
> it wasnt good

>>716523891
Alex and Morgan are Chinese-German.

>>716513683 (OP)
I am perpetually mad that it wasn't more popular. The opening sequence was legitimately one of the most memorable gaming experiences I have ever had.

Then the midgame where I was rolling around as a shotgun god was great too. Solid experience all around.

>>716523957
you are a psyop'd normalfag on top of everything

pottery

>>716524014
The studio is dead for a reason, sweaty

>>716513683 (OP)
I had never heard of Prey (2006) before playing this. I saw it was not only a new Arkane game, but a space game with actual spacewalking and got it based on that alone.

>>716524278
The spacewalking segments were my least favorite. Probably partially because I had to turn on objective markers.

>>716524278
Prey was in development since the 90s. It was thought to be dead until E3 2006, when they released a 15 minute gameplay segment showing off portals and weird gravity and shit. They pretty much forced Valve to release their trailer for Portal so they wouldn't seem like Johnny-come-latelys.

>>716523520
Alex and Morgan Yu are half German, half Chinese.
>chinese influences in aesthetics
Such as?

What happened with the playtest of Colantonio’s upcoming game; is that still a thing

>>716524598
>mongrel
That's even worse than just being a full chinese dude

>>716523891
Meaning not American, but an immigrant in costume

>>716513683 (OP)
immersive sims are the best game to play while high or drunk

someone recommend me similar games to Prey for that purpose

>>716525963
Try using steamdb search, you'll see that aside from obvious popular games there are not that many (good) imsims

>>716513683 (OP)
Just rename it Typhoon.

>>716527347
>8 years later and idiots still say Typhoon

>>716518589
>why did imsim fail

>>716521127
>people 2 dumb

It's fkn painful how true that is.

Prey is a game in which you can ltrl fly,
how many people do you think ever figured that out?

It's genre about creative interaction and people have become too stupid to play it.
BOTW and its sequel atleast have proven that there are some people who would be able to enjoy it.
But the other issue is, that it's not a "must buy" genre.

>>716517389
I'm afraid there's no cure for having shit taste

>>716513683 (OP)
I leave a wrench in the pocket of every dead or passed out person so we can communicate telepathically in cross dimensions. Is that weird?

>>716525504
That's all americans

>>716528968
Waste of resources. Probably convinced Alex and the bots that you're a person though

>>716523681
>Spend some time hauling a lot of random shit into a bundle and put a recycler grenade in the heap
this was my favourite thing to do in game

>>716521897
Weird West was a big disappointment...