Thread 716515902

Do you prefer old pokemon lore, or new pokemon lore? Or maybe an ideal in-between?

>>716515902 (OP)
Sorry wrong board, I meant to post this on >>>/vp/

I prefer ignoring the lore and just playing the old games

What's the difference?

What's the difference?

>>716515902 (OP)
>>>/vp/

Who gives a shit? Just play the games.

>>716515902 (OP)
mating press dawn

>>716515902 (OP)
>Old pokemon lore
I vaguely remember some pokemon designs like magnemite spontaneously appeared due to technological advancements, like with the power plant area. Either that or I'm so old I'm suffering from dementia.

forest sex with misty

>>716515902 (OP)
>caring about pokemon "lore"

Fuck off back to /VP/, man child.

>>716517139
No that was a real thing like Grimer emerging out of industrial pollution and Porygon being formed out of the internet.

>>716515902 (OP)
I don't care. Pokemon fans are a mix of furries, pedos, and trannies. Your asses are next on the chopping block.

>>716516305
>>716517221
In the middle of May.

>>716517640
>Porygon being formed out of the internet.
You misspelled "created by Team Rocket."

>>716517825
No my memory is flawless and any evidence to the contrary is because of a vast conspiracy made specifically to confound me as the most important being to ever live.

>>716517501
>autism is...le bad!
why does /v/ claim to be against normalfaggotry if it worships normalfags so much

Don't really care about the lore except when something outlandishly stupid pops up. The 1st gen having no such problems for me is my preference.
>716517730
You will chase boogiemen until you have nothing left to give up.

>>716515902 (OP)
I miss old Pokémon.

>anon tries to talk about Pokemon
>immediately told to fuck off
>some fag wants to talk about a mobile gacha
>358 replies

>>716517501
Yea because porn threads are so much better fuck off you filthy shit

>>716515902 (OP)
Why are you still talking about animals? Animals have been debunked as a conspiracy theory, stop talking about them.

>>716518383
I miss my boy already.

>>716518095
Most people who call shit they see on /v/ "autistic" have never actually met an actual example of an autistic person. They can barely even talk, it's more akin to a form of brain damage than just acting stupid or socially inept on the internet. It's definitely a very bad thing since they're basically not even human.

>>716518383
I love this little guy

What's the diffrence mate, i did not played new pokemons

>>716518383
We all live, in a pokemon world~
I want to be, the greatest master of them all~!

>>716518583
>Bringing up porn out of the blue
Yep, autism.

>>716518663
Fuck Pikachu man.

>>716517640
Weird to think we went from that to "this pokemon just happens to look like that"

What does microbiology look like in the pokemon world? Are there bacteria and virus pokemon? Are they all poison types?

>>716518863
How does this not make sense to you?

>>716518918
Does pokerus count?

>>716518679
>i did not played new pokemons
"North and south America? The nations of Japan and the United States? Real Animals? What are those? Also, King Louis Wanders the Earth for eternity after creating nuclear weapons."

>>716518647
That's just /vp/ though

>>716515902 (OP)
I really liked the concept of Ultra Beasts. What I didn't like is that they were treated as Pokemon despite comming from other dimensions.

>>716515902 (OP)
>>716517139
Pokemon, Digimon, and Yugioh all made up shit for their Season 1. Season 2+ is when the rules became established. Remember Pegasus Duelist Kindgom (random D&D mechanics lmao) vs Kaibas Battle City?

>>716518953
I dont get this King thing
Could somone enlight me?

>>716515902 (OP)
Old. It got worse with the "Pokemon world" push to have Pokemon completely replace normal animals instead of being quasi-spiritual creatures (like yokai or fae) that lived alongside them. And then Gen 4 fucked pokemon lore up beyond all recognition. It's been awkward, bungled, self-contradictory garbage ever since.

>>716515902 (OP)
>>716515964
I watched movie 2 and it literally portrays the gay boring birds as weather deities who's capture causes a world-ending cataclysm. The "strongest" Pokemon was an hourglass shaped furry bait humanoid.

Old Pokemon lore was fucking gay and the franchise didn't become cool until gen 3.

Gen 1-2 had a cool world and tone, which sorta got compromised with Gen 3 onwards.

>>716515902 (OP)
Vp got really angry when I gave my explanation for the lore
>new lore is simply the collective egregore of humanity being manipulated by a psychically more powerful species to forget pokemon aren't actually prehistoric species

>>716519603
Every pokemon is an ultra dimensional invader.

>>716515902 (OP)
I like that one degenerate on pixiv making AI pics of pokegirls shitting on Ash
https://www.pixiv.net/users/112003418

>>716520756
Yeah, but what about humans?

>>716515902 (OP)
the old lore never made sense. There's way too much pokemon infrastructure for them to be a new, hyper invasive "species" and the lack of genuine horror as the wipe out the entirety of the previous animal ecosystem is something they would never be able to square. That said the "new" lore had the opportunity to be interesting but they generally saw the edges off at every turn and go with the dumbest, most infantile ideas at every turn. You can always imagine the tales of not-Nobunaga and his pokemon army and the like though, I guess

I'm a huge fan of the Pokémon lore.
Specifically the stuff about Laprases seducing humans.
Also the Regigas/horny Arceus is one of the best world formation myths of all time.

>>716520525
This

>>716520674
Far more agreeable than official lore.

>>716521083
Humans are pokemon created by arceus that somehow lost the ability to shrink and learn TMs from compact disks.

>>716521083
Humans are humans. They live on earth.
These legendary Pokémon are such a strong psychical presence they force humans to retroactively fit them into mythology.
The pokemon likely do this without meaning to, but humans are nonetheless assaulted by these alien invaders.

There's no way an industrial society is reached if pokemon and humans live side by side since forever. It just doesn't happen.

Pokemon aren't native to earth. Humans developed unmolested until the 70s/80s at the very least

The anime ended after Brock, Misty and Ash split up

May, Dawn and Serena were great but they never came close to the original trio

>>716521172
How much pokemon infrastructure is there, really?
Poke balls, centers and related technologies are new discoveries after studying pokemon physiology. The reality of the situation is that they are not made of similar matter to humans or animals at all. Which is why you can digitize them.

>>716521993
the photo faggot was a gay replacement for brock

>>716517825
No, Porygon was an experiment by Silph. That's why they released an official upgrade kit.

>>716522127
He was only around for like 5-10 episodes if I remember correctly, then Brock rejoined.

Same thing in Johto when Bork disappeared a bit and it was just Misty and Ash.

I know Misty's original VA perished but she can always be recasted, people hated Ash's 2nd VA initially.

>>716521993
Yes.

>>716518383
this style of animation is never coming back and therefore i will kill myself

>>716521993
Dawn was cool but her faggot brother had to come too

>>716522021
you don't think it's weird for there to be a worldwide free healthcare system and for 10 year olds leave home all because of the existence of pokemon? That even in gen 1 the whole world seems to revolve around pokemon? The complete lack of care for other creatures who aren't pokemon yet still supposedly exist? Nothing about the early series makes sense of pokemon are these new things

Also, Iris was a horrible choice along with Cilan.

They should have made Bianca as Ash's female companion and the dude can be Cheren.

>>716522487
I think you mean May, and her brother Max

>>716518383
>rock/ground type eating grass

>>716519895
AZ, the weird dude from X and Y is an immortal king who used the cover legend's power to nuke a place (my personal headcanon is the Unovan Desert but that is just headcanon based on Volcarona's legend and shit)
He and his floette became immortal because of the weapon's side effects

>>716521295
No one in the Pokemon world has sex. Babies just appear after creatures play together. No one has ever been able to see how. Pokemon create egg-like nests from sticks and dirt.

>>716522515
>there to be a worldwide free healthcare system
We don't know if it's worldwide, in any case pokemon physiology is so radically different that healing them might be extremely low cost
>10 year olds leave home all because of the existence of pokemon?
As I said, this is due to adaptation to psychic pressure exhibited by all pokemon. Humans abandoned the industrial society (shreds and remnants still remain) and are fully on board with coexistence.

I wouldn't call it parasitical but some form of unnatural codependency is taking place as we see it.

>>716515902 (OP)
Old lore doesn't work, even in Pokémon. It's why they changed it in the first place.
>A land where magical, fuck you powerful creatures live.
>Somehow, regular animals still exist.

>>716519895
AZ from XY was a king from 3000 years ago that lost his beloved Pokemon in a war against another country. Created a machine that used Pokemon lives as batteries to resurrect it, which made both of them immortal. The poor little Pokemon was horrified at was he had done and left him. AZ went mad and turned the machine into a nuclear cannon that ended the war instantly.

Ash should have captured the Latias that loved him.

>>716515902 (OP)
Calling them Pocket Monsters didn't make sense anymore when they replaced animals. Something that's a 'monster' isn't commonplace. That's kind of why there's a word in the first place.

Pokemon as a name is a leftover from when they were magical creatures that existed alongside animals.

You people care about the lore more than Game Freak

Only a few minor things like how the bug move infestation says thay it summons a swarm of tiny insects, implying that pokemon either has super tiny pokemon or that regular insects exist.

Also both the show and games makes references to humans eating pokemon but it's still something they never really talk to much about or go in to detail. I mean, I can't blame them to much since it would be weird and awful to think about sending such sentient beings to get slautered.

>>716523460
*You people care more than Game Freak
ftfy

>>716523460
Is that supposed to be a high bar? Because it's practically under the ground. Long as it doesn't offend someone or hurt sales they don't give a single fuck.

Stuff like regular ass animals existing alongside pokemon is funny in the sense that it's fun to remember what the franchise was like when it was just starting out but I don't think there's really anything lost from changing
>this can kill an Indian elephant
to
>this can kill the elephant pokemon

And obviously ignoring the etymology problem like why pokemon are categorized after animals that don't exist in their universe

>>716523735
Bug pokemon in general are weird. None of them actually make hives or nests and only combee has an actual queen. As much as I love Durant I always felt it was disappointing how much they could have done with it. If it where up to me I'd make it have 3 evos, grub, Durant and then depending on the gender either a queen ant or a warrior ant.

Pokemon should exist in relatively small numbers compared to normal animals. Even common ones like pidgey should be something that's sort of rare that you'd have to search for among normal wildlife. Looking back throughout history, certain animals and other strange creatures displaying magical abilities should be the stuff of myth and legend that's only recently becoming more understood and cataloged. Seeing an actual rare pokemon should be a once in a lifetime event for most people before the advent of pokemon capture, and even now mythicals and legendaries should only be acknowledged in-universe as singular existences that almost never came into direct contact with humans. Modern day pokemon that have self adapted to live near human civilization should be viewed as the foremost wonder of the modern age, along with the creation of Oak's pokedex

>>716523460
Is there even a single game or franchise where the devs care more about the lore than a subset of the players?

>>716524728
Games that failed that no one talks about.

>>716523274
Would have won the Silver Conference if he did. She finishes off Blaziken when he faces Harrison and then could just sweep the rest of the league.

>>716524835
Obviously, but you know what I meant

>>716519603
Ultra Beasts are a fun idea but at the end of the day, I prefer that we get more (Past) Paradoxes because A) I hope my favorite mons get some instead of megas which are just temporary uglier forms with spikes slapped onto them B) I find the concept to be tad bit more interesting than the Ultra Beasts for being more vague and mysterious in addition to fleshing out past mons and C) most of the Ultra Beasts are interesting for the pure shock value but I am less likely to put them on my team as opposed to Paradoxes due to a combination of being too off-brand and ugly.

>>716524635
the whole gym and league system doesn't work if pokemon are that rare. They have to be common enough for little kids to catch them

Generally the old lore/feel is more soulful and comfy

Pokemon works best when it's like like DBZ capsule corp bullshit, teleportation and Pokeballs being crazy works of science-magic exist but everyone has big awkward chunky plastic Pokegears or Pokedexs they carry around

Making everything a smartphone was super soulless and gay Pokemon had some indentity and they threw it away, making everyones smartphones also somehow be possessed by a Rotom is just retarded

That said I do like the mild name retconning of say America to be Unova and the removal of pointless real life animals since Pokemon should be more of a fantasy alternate-Earth imo

>>716525169
Little kids literally save the world multiple times in this setting, give them more credit. A lot, in fact.

And the gym and league system work just fine, same with Pokemon centers, assuming they came into existence recently. It shouldn't be hard to imagine something being so revolutionary and disruptive that it quickly evolves into a mainstay over the course of a few decades. You're using something quite a lot like that to talk to me right now.

>>716525479
Pokemon has always kept up with the pace of real life technology.

>>716522803
how aren't the rapidashes burning the grass

>>716525779
They can control their flames.

>>716525779
Because magical

I want to hear more about the use of Pokemon as weapons in real-life conflicts and wars, like the Vietnam war and Operation Desert Storm

>>716515902 (OP)
Old pokemon lore, obviously
I never watched the anime anyway, but at least what's presented in the games was better.
New pokemon lore is shit like the commercialization of rotom (he's just a phone product now), wormholes to alternate dimensions and timelines, making bullied kids go back to school. It's fucking terrible

>>716515902 (OP)
Wow, 3 fish Pokemon not even Prof. Oak knows about.

>>716524728
Too Human

>>716518795
Rip the eternal scapegoat, cucked by Rotom.
Pika didnt even have the decency to stay fat & cute, looks like a funkopop nowadays.

>>716525680
Everything just being smartphone apps in real life is peak soulless and faggoty, so yeah they did capture that accurately I'll give them props

>>716520674
>>716521442
>Arceus is trying to mind wipe humans
Fund it.

>>716524728
League of Legends, or up until they got replaced with chinks.
I don't think a single player ever cared or knew about the lore or how pointlessly autistic it was.

>>716525680
>scale tech with real life
rookie mistake

>>716515902 (OP)
pokemon don't have any lore.

>>716525479
>That said I do like the mild name retconning of say America to be Unova and the removal of pointless real life animals since Pokemon should be more of a fantasy alternate-Earth imo
I have LITERALLY the exact opposite opinion of you. I feel pokemon absolutely should be set in the "real world" and taking out America and other real locations greatly takes away the "down to earth" vibe the series once had. Removing the real world elements from the series makes it feel like they're trying (in vain) to make the setting a Utopia, when Pokemon's entire appeal was how "real" it felt.

there are no more than 151 pokemons, that's my lore.

>>716530648
>episode 1

>>716530556
I don’t really know what you mean Pokemon has always operated on nonsense video game logic it never felt real to me

>>716530648
What about pikablu?

>>716530706
random birb

>>716530706
The 151st Pokemon. Order of the final entries is Dratini -> Dragonair -> Dragonite -> Mew -> Rainbow Bird
>b-but Mewtw-
Disgusting abomination of life. A heretical existence that should not be acknowledged.

>>716533672
You should see the 1st movie in japanese to appreciate him

>>716530706
The anime isn't canon. Too easy.