The reaction to this was overblown and didn't refute his points

*crunch* *crunch*

This would’ve been good as an original game but not Sonic.

Sonic fans are so buckbroken they think wanting good gameplay is a bad thing.

>>717039015 (OP)
his game pitch was dogshit. nobody wants to play adventure time the hedgehog metroidvania.

someone post the mario one

>>717039015 (OP)
Better than the Donkey Kong redesign.

>>717039015 (OP)
he's so cute n.n

Why are so many OPs just
>The most retarded take imaginable
Why is that what keeps getting the most replies? Why does no one on this God forsaken website want to actually discuss anything these days?

DEAR SEEGA

>>717039015 (OP)
A puzzle platformer with an inventory you need to stop and open is about as far from Sonic as you can get and still be in the same genre.

>>717039015 (OP)
Who this is so.....blursed
Why does he look so vulnerable???

>>717039015 (OP)
sonic if he a kirby character

>>717039015 (OP)
>the sky is green
>you're an idiot
>ah, but you didn't refute my point! ;)
Some points don't need to be refuted, they're just inherently stupid.

>>717039015 (OP)
BWWOOOOOHHHHM

>>717039015 (OP)
the guy made a game with his "points" and it was garbage and ugly. he also gave himself infinite double jumps.

>>717039015 (OP)
Vulnerable...

>>717039015 (OP)
>how about we make it a heckin metroidvania, deckbuilder, or roguelike
indie devs are creatively bankrupt hacks just like AAA devs. B games was always where the soul was.

>>717039015 (OP)
It looks like absolute dogshit. And it was such a hilarious reveal after he talked himself up being this creative know-it-all.

>>717039015 (OP)
I didn't know he was adventurous until I saw the backpack. Im glad that was made clear.

>>717044378
I never saw the final game. What's the name?

>they should make Sonic into a funko pop

>>717039015 (OP)
sonic if he vulnerable

>>717039015 (OP)
Great production value for the vid but the main audience that consumes the content he's discussing are super autists that will tear him a new one for threatening their obsession.

His own chart kinda disproves his whole point that Sonic needs a makeover. Turns out it doesn't matter what you do with Sonic. People will just buy it, whether it's good or shit. This chart barely follows any logic if we try to match sales with quality. A lot of people don't wait for "reviews" to come out for these big name games. They buy early because FOMO.

The only reason Lost Worlds and Boom did so poorly is because they were WiiU exclusives, and the WiiU bombed.

His video was made in 2017, before Mania, Forces, and Frontiers. All those games did well, around 4 million range. Difference is they decided to launch multiplat again. That's the only thing that matters.

>>717039015 (OP)
>self proclaimed graduate from television animation studies thinks he can make a game
>also never played sonic, only saw some videos
He deserved all the shit talk from the Internet. Whoever told these snowflakes that anyone can be a game designer is a fucking idiot, that also goes for aspiring game devs in this site and elsewhere.

>>717039258
>This would’ve been good as an original game but not Sonic.
He was literally describing Crash Bandicoot and wanted Sonic to be this weird cal arts “vulnerable” knockoff of crash.

>>717046979
>He was literally describing Crash Bandicoot and wanted Sonic to be this weird cal arts “vulnerable” knockoff of crash.
I thought it was Banjo

>>717039015 (OP)
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMP

>>717041462
What about Sonic Frontiers?

>>717039127
I thought the message was clear years ago, anon: it's not gonna work.

>>717047312
>I thought it was Banjo
The entire video was describing an vulnerable animal going on an adventure and having to avoid getting hurt at every moment. It’s literally crash. It doesn’t help he’s a drawfag and NEVER PLAYED A SONIC GAME

This is almost bad as those “game design” channels like boss keys who claim to be game designers, have no work, and cite their education at full sail or digipen

>The entire video was describing an vulnerable animal going on an adventure and having to avoid getting hurt at every moment
Hollow Knight proved him right in the end

>>717048042
He didn’t make it tho, and HK is basically Metroid mixed with Souls

>>717039127
Hershey bars don't crunch doe

>>717039127
I don't get the Hershey bars meme. I don't recall him talking about chocolate.

>>717039015 (OP)
What point? It looks so uninspired and soulless, the kind of shit redditors would enjoy.

dear seega, i am a neega

>>717039015 (OP)
It is very early 2010s indie core which isn't bad in it of itself but man people were huffing their own farts back in the day about it. Like I enjoy alot of those games but the way people treated them like the second coming is so fucking lame in hindsight.

>>717048383
isn’t the dude that made the video the embodiment of this https://youtu.be/Dg3J9DMcLvI?si=b2zocIEgW7XAD3um

>>717048042
But the Ghost isnt a vulnerable animal, he's a fucking demigod on a path to full blown godhood

>>717040138
Anons like to pretend they're above the normies by being as contrarian as possible, only proving they're still being influenced by normie culture.

>>717044982
>Great production value for the vid but the main audience that consumes the content he's discussing are super autists that will tear him a new one for threatening their obsession.
Oh look, it’s the talentless faggot. How are you still browsing here after being butt blasted by this board?

>>717039015 (OP)
>his points
What points? "Make a shitty indie puzzle-platformer". Those have been failing ever since XBLA releases got actual competition.
>overblown reaction
Well yeah, but you sort of need to know that he was just making an animation showcase and didn't really believe anything he was saying. And even then - just make a reel, why are you making a shitty youtuber analysis video when that's not your scene.
He made a dumb call but the animation wasn't terrible, I'm sure he got to work on some Aldi's commercials or whatever.

>>717039015 (OP)
Sega is retarded enough to think something like this would be a good idea if there was no backlash
Never forget what happened to Monkey Island

>>717039258
I have good news for you
That game already exists
It's called Ori and the Blind Forest
We don't need more of that

>>717039015 (OP)
His "points" did not need to be refuted in the first place.

>>717040138
What, you come here expecting genuine discussion? Lol. The meta now is to just post whatever incendiary thing you can think of to amass (You)s and not bother replying back.

Whenever someone tells you indies are geniuses, show them this video

>>717048042
HK is /like a soulslike where the character is meant to feel vulnurable and the environment dangerous

Sonic is meant to be a cool powerfantasy about a cocky character that goes faster than the speed of sound

Also, HKfags will never admit this but HK's character designs are among the game's weaker aspects. It's a great metrovania and the art direction is overall nice with the environments and effects, but the ultra simplistic character designs are more on the boring side

Daily reminder he tried to make this an original game and failed in finishing it

The video felt strongly like it was made by some student for his business marketing course. He probably chose Sonic because the only thing kids know about these days are videogames. I doubt he's a hardcore Sonic fan passionate about making it better. He's probably more like the average /v/ anon who's played only a few and knows how much modern Sonic sucks.

>>717048042
this game kinda sucks
when does it get good?

>>717048528
the first two songs weren't actually that bad

>shows a mechanic of having auto-clear items for bosses in exchange for rings to finish a level quickly
>”respect the intellect of the player”
>”do we really want to push buttons placed in front of us to kill time?”
If this is what they’re teaching people in “game design school” then we are so fucked

>>717050965
If he played one, he would have heard the right way to pronounce SEGA.

>>717050654
how is the environment being dangerous inherenty "souls like"?
how is the character vulnerable when its difficulty inherently avoids having quick deaths and instead preys on sequences of mistakes?
>>717048146
I genuinely dont see anything that game has of "souls" other than the corpse run that many other games have and doesnt play anything alike

If anything i love the interconnection and nonlinearity, its like DS1 if that aspect of it stayed true for the entire game, but everything else seems really distant from souls and the devs blatantly havent played it. I have no idea why people say its akin to souls

He deleted the video, so someone must have refuted it.

>>717039258
No, it wouldn't have, we know because the sped made it and it looked abysmal.

I found the whole mechanic of "taking rings then buying items from a backpack you're already carrying" really dumb.

Like having a shop might make sense but why would it be inside a magic backpack that's on your person?

>>717048640
It's not contrarianism because there is no way that is OP's actual opinion.

>>717039015 (OP)
the design isnt perfect but its a billion times better than this shit by sega

>>717052413
>Like having a shop might make sense but why would it be inside a magic backpack that's on your person?
Maybe it's run by a tiny sheister that's taking advantage of you? Would work with the naiive protagonist angle

>>717052413
the whole thing is so fucking far removed from how sonic actually works that it's very blatantly some indieshitter just trying to pitch their own game concept and using "sonic was never good" as clickbait to get people to see it.
When I saw that he was actually working on a game based on his "redesign" I wasn't remotely surprised

>>717039015 (OP)
>holding backpack straps in each hand

I'm willing to bet that the reason this guy chose Sonic was because he knew the IP had a shaky reputation and thought it would be a safe bet for his little project. The thought process was probably something like

>Everyone hates Sonic
>What if I pitched my ideas to "improve" Sonic?
>Surely everyone would agree with my opinions and stroke my ego!

>>717053546
Probably to add a sense of childishness and earnestness. You know, the whole "vulnerability" angle.

>sonic should be weak and vulnerable and gay bottom
why

>>717053756
Because there was a period where people were openly criticizing machismo, "excessive" confidence and lack of vulnerability. I think fucking Egoraptor bitched about it once, how he hated characters who were "too cool".

>>717053674
nigga its not that serious
its just a kid who liked sonic but not the direction it was going and just wanted to float an idea
the main point is "this shit sucks and needs a redesign" which i agree with
but it will never happen and were just cursed to get boost games forever now

>>717053907
If he truly liked Sonic to any extent, there's no way he'd have pitched making him completely opposite of what he is in every way.

>>717048301
His awkward arm and backpack positioning make it look like he's holding a chocolate bar.

>>717054028
grow tf up

>>717039015 (OP)
>The reaction to this was overblown
It wasn't. It was the worst known pitch for a character redesign imaginable and he rightfully got shit on for it. It actually makes you wonder what other horrific pitches are out there that will never see the public eye.

>>717054184
OH, I see it now.

>>717053736
ha, it's the frailty of it.

>>717039015 (OP)

>>717054414
yeah but it's pretty forced.

>>717053907
>just a kid who liked sonic
Then how did he not know how sega was pronounced?

>>717053843
who was criticizing machismo? the kids?

>>717054587
kino...

>>717039015 (OP)
DEAR SAYGER

>>717052746
I just love the random brown scarf Sonic wears. Like yeah don't use a color that accents his natural blue, just throw on a random shemagh like he just got back from Afghanistan lmao

>>717043845
>the guy made a game
No he didn't

>>717052746
>better than this shit
You just went full contrarian
Its just normal Sonic with too many accessories, nowhere near as distanced from the og vision
>by sega
Nope

>>717039015 (OP)
He can do all sorts of tricks
He loves to play with rocks and sticks
SOONIIiiic

>>717039015 (OP)
he fucked up the second word in the video, why should I give him a chance

>>717052746
retard

>>717055745
https://x.com/JavedLSterritt/status/852743184706711555

>dear Siga

>>717057664
A gamemaker demo without assets is not a game