Thread 717040260

What is it about pretentious midwits and "immersive sims"?

the fuck is immsim

What is it about dimwits and getting filtered by immsims?

>>717040260 (OP)
draw them fucking

>>717040304
I think it's the religion Muslims follow

>>717040368
No glowing trail or arrow pointing

>>717040260 (OP)
not as bad as the 'midcore' crowd

>>717040260 (OP)
Their autism. They think it's some sort of deep gameplay philosophy and not just a shittier more boring metal gear. Imsims stress "player choice" like nigger you can't even choose between hotdogs and tendies for your dinner despite them being the only 2 things you'll eat. Guaranteed if you throw a mushroom or onion towards an "imsim" fan or play a loud noise they'd have a melty on the spot.

>>717040260 (OP)
Any game where you can pick and move objects, and also crawl around in vents.

>>717040484
Kek'd you won the thread

>>717040592
So Halo is an immsim then

>>717040409
No, those are Milsimms

>>717040897
Ah, my bad.

imsim is a corporate-fed genre that they want you to like so they can make more games based on a template

>>717041107
well, it works
I played them all and want more
last one I tried was prey, and that was a neat little game

>>717040484
>t-they think they're smarter than me!
you're just exposing how retarded you are
>shittier more boring metal gear
imsims aren't about stealth

>>717041458
>I played them all
what are they?

>>717040260 (OP)
idk I think the people who always talk about how it's not a real thing are pretty pretentious.

>>717040750
Halo lets you pick up objects?

>>717041781
what are they pretending?

>>717041526
Name 10 popular Imsims with 0 stealth mechanics.

>>717041107
What AAA imsims are coming out then?

>>717041914
Yup.

>>717042018
what's an imsim?

I still don't know what an immersive sim is supposed to be
I've heard things being described as immsims from Noita to Deus Ex

>>717042065
You can't ask him to define it. He'll cry.

>>717042006
Stealth in imsims is generally optional. Games like Metal Gear expect you to do things certain way. Granted this isn't always clear cut. Thief is usually considered imsim and it fully expects you to use stealth.

>>717042006
name any imsim at all and explain how it's an imsim

Consoletard brainlets getting filtered by a niche genre and being permanently insecure about them is always so funny

>>717042065
Imsim as defined by the corporate, since they are the ones forcing it?

>>717042214
how is thief an imsim?

>>717041563
you mean what kind of genre?
i'd say the majority of them are first person exploration and/or role-playing games that allow you to manipulate the world in a pseudo-realistic way to get to your objective.
they are the wet dream of every p&p GM.

>First-person
>Can flush a toilet
Defined.

>>717042320
no, I mean what imsims did you play? and how are they imsims?

>>717042109
Don't know why'd somebody would call Noita an imsim. It's more like a roguelike physics sandbox.

>>717042214
>>717042218
Didn't answer my question at all.

>>717042109
>noita
no
>deus ex
yes

>>717042258
isn't Prey a AAA game? not what I would call niche...

>>717042423
first we must define which games are imsims and why

>>717042298
It's one of the names that is usually thrown around when people talk about imsim. I'd say it's more like a proto-imsim. You have options when it comes to tools and route you take, but direct combat is rarely a viable option. Imo a proper imsim should give you more tools to solve a problem, not just stealth.

>>717042607
what's an imsim?

>>717042418
>>717042439
And yet I've seen people refer to Noita as an imsim on more than 5 occasions
Hence why I don't know what the fuck an imsim is.

>>717042384
So Duke Nukem Forever is an immsim

>>717042423
You didn't ask a question althoughbeit.

is sekiro an imsim

for me its deadeye deepfake simulacrum

>>71704225
PC jeet acting as though he is enlightened

>>717042652
You should ask them why they think that way. I've never heard anyone saying that, must be because I don't hang around in asylums.

is spooky's jumpscare mansion an imsim

>>717042728
Yes

If games were books, the immersive sim genre would be high brow literature. Praised, but clearly not for everyone, so the appeal is limited.

>>717042406
deus ex is my favorite one, played that as a teen and defined the entire genre for me. I also played stuff like arx fatalis, thief, system shock, and would count a lot of RPGs like vampire bloodlines and morrowind too.
deus ex is an immersive sim because I get thrown into a scenario and told my goals, but it's up to me how I reach those goals while interacting in a pseudo-realistic manner with the world. npcs will react to your actions, and differently depending on stuff like alert, trespassing, hostility, stealth etc.
the immersive part also comes from the first-person perspective, so that you can get tricked into thinking that it's (you) that sneaking through the world.

>>717042839
No. It's way too linear for that.

>>717042320
So Skyrim is an immsim

>>717042839
Yeah

>>717040260 (OP)
Immsim: a game where you can flick the light switch.

Is Destroy All Humans an imsim?

>>717042951
I would absolutely count it as immersive sim, yes. the game is all immersion, just no substance tho.

>>717042951
No, Skyrim is a Scrollslike.

>>717040592
good enough for me, i love games with ventilation shafts you can scurry around in like a mischievous lil rat

>>717042923
Define immsim

is mayonnaise an imsim

>>717043015
no

>>717043015
Yes absolutely

>>717043004
So Doom 3 is an immsim

>>717043042
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>717042676
Yes it is

Is Super Metroid an imsim?

>>717043092
It’s not something that can be clearly explained, just like high brow literature. You’re supposed to just know.

>>717043179
Can you flush the toilets in Doom 3? This is very important.

>>717040260 (OP)
A game with very specific and minute mechanics designed to let the player experiment and reach an objective their way with the tools they're given. Usually in ways the devs did not intend.

>>717043179
I’d say that it has elements from immsims, yes

>>717043260
Not 1st person, so no

>>717043260
No, that's a Soulslike.

>>717040260 (OP)
>immersive sims
You're not wrong, it doesn't have a solid definition. Having said that, I do enjoy immersive sims but there's not a great set of criteria to differentiate immersive sims. Let's work together and define some of these criteria.
Why is System Shock 2 an Immsim, but Bioshock Isn't?
Why is Deus Ex an Immsim, but Deus Ex: Human Revolution isn't?
Why is Prey (2017) an Immsim, but Prey (2006) is not?

>>717040260 (OP)
Is Meet 'n' Fuck Road Trip an immsim?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SJw8efaDgl4&pp=ygURTWVldCBuIGZ1Y2sgdGhlbWU%3D

>>717042951
It has some elements of that, yes, but generally isn't included due to its own idiosyncrasy. A dungeon in Skyrim usually has one and only one intended route with very few branching paths past occasional dead end. You get in, fight a group of enemies, solve a stone puzzle, fight the boss enemy, loot the boss chest, get the shout and get out through a convenient shortcut. Rinse and repeat. You can sometimes sequence break a bit through climbing over mountains and such, but that is not the intended way to play. And the open world gameplay has even fewer similiraties to imsims.

>>717043404
System Shock 1 is not an immsim

>>717043404
All these games are immsims, except Prey 2006

>>717043384
>Not 1st person, so no
Shenmue isn't an imsim?

>>717043336
So Fable is an immsim

>>717043574
No

>>717043514
yes it is

>>717040260 (OP)
A game where you have to enter 0451 as a door code.

>>717043441
Yes absolutely
>>717043514
No, System Shock is metroidvania
>>717043610
Yes it's actually one of the prime examples

>>717043574
Shenmue is an imsim.

>>717043616
Yes it is.

>>717043708
Immsims must be always 1st person, even when it would be counterintuitive

Is Conker's Bad Fur Day an imsim?

>dickripped trannie zoomer pajeets in this ITT can't understand what an imsim is
>will never understand how to play a game without quest markers or yellow paint
>can't say anything except "whats an imsim?" like anybody owes it an explanation
How do you explain what light is to a blind fag?
You either get it or you don't have a soul.

>>717043250
do you don't think skyrim is an immersive sim? but why?

>>717040484
>Is that, is that an FPS where I need to explore rather than run down a corridor shooting everything?
>Oh my god I'm going insane!

>>717040260 (OP)
boxes & vents = immsim

>>717040260 (OP)
Immersive Sim is a marketing buzzword made up by Looking Glass Software to drum up hype around their FPSRPGs and also Thief for some reason.
The fact that the term only ever gets used for this same little handful of games exposes this fact. Meanwhile you have people saying that Bioshock, a mechanically nearly identical game, doesn't count as an imsim because it's bad or something.
Last time I checked, a game being bad doesn't change what genre it belongs to. Bad games are allowed to exist in every genre except imsims for some reason.

>>717043787
No, that's a Soulslike.

ITT: anon gets mindbroken from being unable to accept any definition for immersive sim

>>717043864
My words triggering your delicate feelings just proves I'm right.

>>717043774
Source?

I think what you have to consider is that not every immsim is going to have the depth that say the original deus ex or prey 2016 had. There is still a general concept. Like a shooter being a shooter. One shooter having extreme in depth gun mechanics and controls like leaning and multiple positions doesn't make some other game where you just run and gun not a shooter.

>>717043817
>>717043959
I was playing Deus Ex when you were in diapers. Define imism, little man.

>>717043787
No, it's a 3D platformer collectathon .

>>717043893
Bioshock isn't and immersive sim because it does not have the freedom of movement and thought mechanics an actual immersive sim would have.

>>717044036
I already did here >>717042926, and you never replied to my post. why, anon?

Whenever liberals tell me "define x" i just respond "define define" and watch them have a meltdown

>>717044097
You can flush toilets in Bioshock so it is, per definition, an imsim.

>>717044097
correct, bioshock is a metroidvania, similar to bamham arkham asylum

>>717043893
Bioshock doesn't have open-ended gameplay, you can only shoot your way through the entire game.

>>717040260 (OP)
people that get upset about a game being in the wrong genre classification to them have severe forms of autism/ocd
please be kind to them, just go with what they want to go with, it matters a LOT to them but it doesn't matter to you

>>717044104
that's because you actually made an effort to define it and I think you're about on point with it

>>717043643
Its a corridoor shooter

>>717044115
When ever liberals with neo vaginas ask me to define "define" i ask them why they're using a word they don't understand the definition of incorrectly then laugh at them meltdown

>>717044158
wrong

>>717043817
Define immsim tho

>>717040260 (OP)
I read somewhere imsims are atmospheric games where you are a guy who gradually gets tangled into more and more high-stake situations.
I would add having some rpg elements. And an apartment, you'd definatly need and apartment with a working PC.

>>717044158
Flushing doesn't have a mechanical purpose, so it's not an imsim.

OP is a fag. Post some good immersive sims.
The Steam tag ain't helpful at all.

>>717044029
>prey
>depth
Go back

cyberpunk is an immsim

>>717040260 (OP)
I prefer to call it Deus-like/Ex-like

>>717044321
>Dunning Krueger anon thinks he knows better than the people who invented the genre
Flushable.
Toilets.

>>717040260 (OP)
This but for ARPGs

>>717044485
Prey 2015 is literally System Shock 3

>>717044613
>I call them godlike

>>717044607
Yes absolutely lots of flushable toilets in that one

>>717044635
>>717044743
>scatology
>>>/d/

What's up with the toilet-bot?

>>717044743
No it isn't
t. Ken Levine

>>717044448
Project Silverfish

>>717045012
Hack Levine doesn't get to define System Shock games.

In Crackdown you are intended to climb Wang's Tower through the lobby and fight your way up. I utilized the building destruction combined with the double jump "bug" to climb the exterior of the tower from the adjacent building.
Is Crackdown an immsim?

>>717045012
Maybe you should play Prey and System Shock before you start talking about them because anyone who has can see that it's quite obvious

>>717045128
No, because you used an exploit to reach your goal.

>>717042651
>>717040260 (OP)
A game where outside of direct interaction with the objective or obstacles there are various simulation systems that allow for indirect interactions.
So for example enemies in thief don't just detect you like in a shitty stealth game. They can see you, which is influenced by the direction they are facing and light. They can also hwar you which is influenced by what you are doing, where and the environment which can make sounds too.
For light you have water arrows to turn off some lights. For sounds you have moss arrows to dampen sounds of you walking and noisemaker arrows to make sounds away from yourself

>>717045173
I have.
Totally narratively unconnected.
No shared assets,
No similar gameplay.

>>717045394
So Plaguetale is an immsim

>>717045424
Non sequiturs and blatantly false.
Fishing for (You)s, aren't you?

>>717045424
>Totally narratively unconnected
Space station where shit goes wrong in both.
>No shared assets
Both have a wrench both have fabricators both have crew logs both have alcohol I can literally go on all day
>No similar gameplay
Oh you're trolling damn I guess I took the bait

>>717042652
It's sim because (almost) the entirety of the world is governed by a giant simulation
Immersive because you control a character

>>717045495
I never played it, what indirect interactions does it have?

>>717042109
>bad gameplay
>objects can be dropped from your inventory and may have physics
>a youtuber told me it's cool
>there aren't any unique mechanics compared to normal video games
Skyrim is an immersive sim.

>>717040260 (OP)
>define imsim
>spoonfeed the retards
no

>>717046234
I think the most imsim thing you can do in skyrim is bucket on head trick. At least that's all I can think of on a character level. Maybe there are some map-level interactions like the oblivion goblin war.

Rather than an aesthetic genre like "Western" or "Horror", or a mechanical genre like "First Person Shooter" or "Real Time Strategy", "Immersive Sim" is a systemic genre like "Simulator" or "RPG".
It's not defined by a singular mechanic, but a broad collection of mechanics that create a unified theme. Typically immersive sims are first person and have heavy emphasis on large sandbox of potential interactions with the world, simulating the sorts of off-mechanic nonsense you can do in pen and paper. While most games might only let you shoot or open a box to find loot, the gameplay of an ideal immersive sim comes in letting you use that box as a weapon you can throw, or as something you can stack to bypass typical level geometry.

>>717046763
Good effortpost.

>>717040409
>>717040897
Kek

>>717040304
Ligma balls