Thread 717046854

why are modern AAA devs so fucking incompetent?

>>717046854 (OP)
jeets

>>717046854 (OP)
I don't think people want more Bioshock.
This is the hole all these AAA devs keep falling into. They have some IP that was popular 10 years ago, so they assume everyone will want more of it. Bioshock, Assassin's Creed, Halo, Farcry, etc.
But people actually want new shit. They hop between weird indie titles that are actually trying new things.

>>717046854 (OP)
>1 remake
dodged a bullet there, 1 still looks and plays good no need for a remake, no one would really buy a remake
>4
infinite ended the franchise so a 4 would be a blunder

>>717047431
No, people would absolutely still want those series if the new entries were good.

Basically all those games you named were good for the first few entries and then the quality sharply declined. BioShock specifically was really great for 1, 2 was decent, and Infinite was dogshit. I would never trust them to actually make anything on the level of 1 or even 2.

>>717047431
Id want new halo if it didn't have a shitty story and had all the right animations and physics, and explosions. Aside from the textures, halo infinite is just a total downgrade.

>>717046854 (OP)
Out of touch executives are hiring jeets and expect tem to perform like the actual computer engineers from the 90's who shaped gaming back then.
It doesn't work out obviously.

>>717046854 (OP)
it's the execs it's execs, they want to endlessly spend without a return
DON't YOU DARE CRITICIZE MUH HECKING WHOLESOME DEVERINOS

>>717046854 (OP)
the remaster they did is worse than the original. I would never have any faith in a remake.

I really don't know how these publishers push these demakes when the originals are still cheap and widely available. Like The PvZ demake when the original is on Xbox Back Compat for $5 and is by far the best way to play it. Maybe that's why they oftentimes delist games in preparation for remakes/remasters.

>>717047654
boomers ruined IT with jeetscum

>>717047945
boomers/gen x ruined everything by falling for the lie that all men were made equal

>>717046854 (OP)
>publisher review

>>717047654
Technical competency isn't the problem so much as a lack of creative vision.
Executive money bugs are incapable of making anything new because they make all decisions based on charts and statistics. You can't have charts and statistics for something that hasn't been done before.
And an army of jeets will never do anything creative because they're just worker drones.
You need devs who actually believe in the project they're making. People who aren't afraid to do something crazy just because they think it's cool.
The executives should only be there to tardwrangle them if they get out of control.

>>717047654
It's probably some retard that knows Bioshock was well received, and he now insists the next one must make 45,000,000,000 USD in its release month.

>>717047550
This, make a new bioshock that's bigger and bloodier. Lean more into the plasmid mutant angle. Dystopian hellscape that is similar to infamous 1 but steampunk with big daddies as the genetically altered peace keepers.

Yes im basically asking for prototype/infamous bioshock edition

>>717048180
Thing is these fuckers can't even copy the homework of others properly.
Remaking a game is insanely easier than making something new from scratch, all the ground work is already done for you, it is like these coloring with numbers children picture books. Even THIS is an impossible tasks for these apes.
Modern tools that basically do most of the work for you also exist while back in the day white man had to literally invent the tools himself too.
An it was done in less than 3 years.

just don't involve ken levine the kike, the non levine bioshocks are good

>>717046854 (OP)
>The seniors weren't ever suited to be managers
>There's too many low-competency employees
It's literally just that. There's more devs in most studios than ever, and projects fail because too many fools are working on them, with old developer "auteurs" that don't have a clue how to do what their own bosses did.

>>717048084
Devs pitch a project to a publisher, they might greenlit or reject it. Standard procedure.

>>717046854 (OP)
>Bioshock 4
Bioshock 3 wasn't exactly ground breaking but still popular because it had an attractive white girl in it. I bet they replaced the male lead and white girl with a bunch of blacks. And it was a buggy mess thanks to DEI hiring.

>>717048392
>prototype/infamous
Now there was a good set of games. What they did to Prototype 2 is unforgiveable.

But I just played the Bioshock 1 remake?

>>717046854 (OP)
I didn't play Bioshock until years after release. The novelty of the world carried the first game. The second game was a step down due to poor pacing. The third game was genuinely a dull slog, in part because the gorgeous world design had lost it's novelty, and all the inherent gameplay problems remained. I doubt 4 would be any better.

>>717049418
>He thinks they stop at 1 remake
Lol, lmao even

>>717046854 (OP)
They don't like games and they don't want to make games.
They want to make PRODUCTS and STATEMENTS.

>>717047550
>No, people would absolutely still want those series if the new entries were good.
Not anymore, people have become too jaded on remakes to give one another chance, even if that one looks good.

Nobody gives a shit about bioshock

>>717046854 (OP)
Bioshock was the original woke game, never liked it.

>>717049485
>wario64, verified reporter
>https://bloomberg.com/news/articles...
Bot lobby.

>>717046854 (OP)
the problem has more layers than species of onion.
outsourcing, competency crisis, ridiculous expectations from investors, trend chasing, design by committee, flooded markets for multiple genres, woke-fatigue and DEI-fatigue, all of these are still not the entire problem.

>>717050272
"Woke fatigue" which isn't real, is not a problem and the corporate abandonment of wokeshit is the one and only saving grace if the industry right now. And it won't help anything because the house of usher is rotted to the core.

>>717046854 (OP)
Good. The series had become dogshit.

I love airships bros. I miss the heights of steampunk being in vogue.

>>717047431
I’d literally take Halo CE or Bioshock 1 with a new setting/story

I’d even be fine with the original graphics

Like, I’d prefer if the next GTA w
As just GTA SA with a new map and stuff

>>717047431
Thats right, people want new shit with an ip that was either unused or had a dogshit game made in the 2000s and before.

>>717049583
>woke game
>entire game is about how Jews and libs are evil greedy delusional psychos
???

>>717047431
Nah. I would play a good old AC game. People don't want new shit or old, they want good shit.

>>717046854 (OP)
>cancelled halfway
Sunk Cost Fallacy not even once

>>717047431
Yes and no.

People want a certain amount of old, comfortable and new, novel.
The problem is, most of the ongoings are either flooding the market with basically non-iterative sequels, or they're pulling Blue: the Movie: the Game and fucking everything the existing audience likes in the hopes that they'll buy anyway and the changes will attract new people.

>>717047045
India isn't known for game development.

>>717052849
Blame this dickhead. or Hitler himself depending on what theory you believe

>>717047431
They don't care what you want. They're going to make a game and slap popular IP name on it for free advertising, because unless they completely fuck up, it will sell more than making that game and slapping a new, unknown name on it.

>>717054945
India isn't known for anything but spam calls and eating cow shit.

>>717047431
Sequels made by people who had no connection with the original games everyone loved aren't really sequels. They're just corpses being paraded around by a company that owns the rights to the name.

>Narrative Overhaul
I can't wait for BioShock 4: The Veilguard

>>717054945
but they are known for having coding and 3d modeling outsourced to them, newfag

>>717046854 (OP)
I wouldn't want a 1 remake, because while 1 and 2 are decent games, they're not fun enough for me to play again. They're a bit of a chore.
>Infinite remake
would only be good for the SFM

Yellow Deus Ex and System Shock 3 need to die off, too. There are too many of these completely unremarkable AAA shooters posing as older titles.

>>717046854 (OP)
BioShock 1 remake would be gay as fuck. That said, I've tried to move on from such viewpoints, but American Krogan ruined 1 for me. Can't unsee it.
Infinite was always shit. "Oh no!! White people" and pretentious bullshit does not a good story make.

2 is absolutely incredible and gamers being retarded and disliking it at release is why things are so shitty now.

>>717048180
Bethesda is one of the best examples of a last few developers where they retained 90% of the original staff after decades and still have the creative ability to keep pushing to make games they want to make. More developers need to follow their example but alas the smell of money is too much for execs to ruin things.

>>717047518
Honestly, good way to put it.
What's batshit insane is apparently 4 has been in development for almost 10 years.
That's just too long. I'm confident the turnaround for Bioshock 2 was like 2 years.

>>717055878
Starfield was a heap of shit tho

>>717047615
>halo infinite is just a total downgrade
Maybe from Bungie era halo, but it's far far better than anything 343 has shat out before it.
It's not a high bar to clear, but Halo infinite is better than 4 and 5.

>>717046854 (OP)
Imagine how fucking awful Bioshock 4 must have been that a modern day publisher said "This can't be released"

>>717055990
Publishers are equally as retarded as developers.
It could have been a solid single-player game, but had no way to monetize it, or might be considered offensive or too difficult etc. Who knows.

>>717047431
Bioshock and Fallout 3 were the heralds of the modern 'old-timey' category for one particular reason: the music. The music depended on an audience that that was at least familiar with the nostalgic eras through their grandparents; those people are no longer alive. Young people don't know who the Beatles even are anymore, let alone the Ink Spots. Time to explore a new era of that has some mystery.

>>717048392
>Lean more into
Blacks and zoomers copying blacks say this.

>>717046854 (OP)
Capable people won't work for a AAA company. Expect all of them to become like Paradox, with games like Stellaris, where the "developers" essentially just keep adding more DLC based around clicking next for a stat bonus from a dialogue box, scripted using things left behind by someone who now works somewhere else for better pay.

>>717055878
They haven't made a good game in like 10+ years though

>>717056139
Tim Schaffer can't get a game to be released on a proper schedule without someone managing him and pulling scope back. Literally had to be "saved" by Xbox money to even get Psychonauts 2 released and so much of it was pared down to get it out the door and usable. Especially with how the other interns are introduced and totally irrelevant to the plot past the first full world.

>>717055878
Their old timers are leaving or getting kicked out. Nate Purkeypile, Bruce Nesmith, Joel Burgess, Jeremy Bryant, Johan Lobe, Dennis Mejillones, Will Shen, Kurt Kuhlmann. And those are just the ones who went public about it.

>>717046854 (OP)
Infinite killed the series, accept it already

>>717057230
I forgot about Jeff Gardiner.

>>717047615
Halo Infinite had amazing gameplay, it just felt like one third of the story was actually done and the overworld was all too samey. Also the hexagons sucked.

>>717046854 (OP)
Karens running the show. CEO and the board must please the Karens.

>>717047431
>gamers don't want old shit
>they want new shit
Gamers want games that are good.

>>717047431
Success of games like the GOTYs for the past 3 years (and most certainly for this year) shows that people want old shit but with twists that make them feel refreshing and very different from past experiences. They reject games like the FF7 remakes which actually fuck with old shit too much to the point that it feels like fanfiction.

>>717056319
Makes me think of EUIV. They've been milking that game for more than a decade, the amount of useless DLCs released for it is staggering. Were there any ACTUALLY expanding the game mechanics, like the EUIII expansions? The China and Japan became super fun to play (was it called The Winds of the East?), but recreating the Byzantine Empire never gets old.

>>717057086
This has been proven true time and time again with a lot of the "creative types" that everyone claims are held back by unreasonable publishers. Behind the scenes a lot of the best games ever made probably had a publisher suit breathing down a nerd's neck who wanted to stall to add more and fuck with something way past any acceptable point.

>>717047431
Sequels are generally still in demand for franchises that are good, but Bioshock had all its momentum and goodwill killed by how disappointing Infinite was despite getting good reviews at the time so the desire for a sequel is very low.

This also likely contributed to Mass Effect Andromeda flopping because no one really wanted another Mass Effect after 3 regardless of Andromeda's quality.

>>717047431
>But people actually want new shit.
lol

>>717047431
People want good games with replayability value, without leftist propaganda showed down their throats. No, they don't want every game, ideally none, using the same Unreal Engine, which has been getting worse with each iteration, used for all game genres.
Heroes III is fun to play and looks gorgeous to ths day, because stylization and handcrafted assets plus music fitting the atmosphere (instead of cinematic orchestra slop) always win with games made by souless people, who believe photorealistic graphix and pronouns is what makes a game.

>>717059682
>Mage Arena
>gameplay is everyone shouting into their mic
I started sweating just thinking about it.

>>717046854 (OP)
INVENT SOMETHING NEW
stop continuing series from 20 fucking years ago