The ride never ends.

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Mastercard did not lie.
>Mastercard did not in fact audit any products if it should or should not be removed
>Mastercard's policy is to not make moral judgements and to process payments unless it's illegal.
These are facts. No lie was said.
That said, they did ask for adult games be removed. They're hypocrites, but not liers

>>717073740 (OP)
>Payment processors when it comes to listening to conservative soccermoms: "Sure thing!"
>Payment processors when it comes to listening to consumers that outnumber them: "Errmmms not my fault!"

>>717073948
Umm actually it was dajuz because they control da world n shiet
proof? /pol/ told me so.

>>717073740 (OP)
>>717073859
>>717073890
>>717073948
>>717074049
>>717073204

>>717073740 (OP)
>Be GabeN - win by default by doing nothing, all the time.
>Actually do something retaliatory.

Oh fuck...
Shit's about to get real.

>>717073740 (OP)
omg nobody cares anymore, move on already.

I have anti payment processor fatigue

at this point its he said she said.
payment processors point to mastercards rules.
mastercard points to payment processors.
valve is stuck in a loop.

>>717073740 (OP)
Payment processors are the hero we need

>nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part
Isn't that like any violent game

>>717074062
That thread is Archived.

>>717074049
I hate news and women
>>717073740 (OP)
It's such a good move vavle showed the world this. Not even the fact shills can win now

This was posted in a another thread before it got archived.
The part about the Singapore company subcontracted to flag shit that may damage the "brand" of MasterCard might be something to look into with this situation. The onus is still on the payment processors to make their final decisions, but it is interesting there is a company out there that is doing this.

>>717074307
I have ironic catposter fatigue.

>>717073740 (OP)
Xev Bellringer said that Mastercard employees download her videos just confirm if she says "step" or not.

Why doesn't gabe just crash one of his yachts into mastercard hq and end this

payment processors are under the mistake that they are untouchable. Destruction to their credibility is going to make them sing another tune.

>>717073740 (OP)
>Non-consensual mutilation of a person
So all the members of the Spider Clan in Ninja Gaiden 2, consent to their mutilation? Since I'm still able to buy the game on Steam...

>>717074476
Kek, finally a day job for me!

>>717074476
>mastercard also has jannies.

>>717074701
But they get paid in rupees.

>>717074575
The mastercard hq isn't close enough to the coast.

>>717073740 (OP)
They are literally saying Mastercard never said anything, and that it's payment processors who brought up one of Mastercard's rules as an excuse to block Valve.

So it's third parties working with Mastercard that are to blame, not Mastercard itself.

>>717074862
Except it's garbage. It's mastercard putting the pressure on the third parties to get valve to do what they want.

>>717073740 (OP)
>corporation is capitalized
kek

>>717074307
I have "FOMO thingy fatigue" fatigue posters fatigue

>>717074985
I assume in the preamble of the rules, "Corporation" is defined as MasterCard, and is thus a proper noun.

>>717074862
Why are people saying IMAs are payment processors? Nigger, Mastercard and Visa are the payment processors, IMA's are more or less accounts that can be set up to facilitate the services of payment processors over the internet.

>>717074862
>Some people, not me, some people think you might be demonstrating a failure to show appreciation

>>717074862
What difference if it's mastercard or one of its vassals?

>>717074745
buy a Falcon Heavy launch for the yacht

>>717073740 (OP)
why do americans use credit cards?
we have bank cards without intermediary parasite. i really would like an answer to this nonsense

>>717075426
Who makes your bank card?

>>717075426
Your bank still uses payment processors for international money transfers.

>>717074435
Books? Really?

>>717075426
Even our bank debit cards are handled by Mastercard and Visa usually

>>717075507
Porn books.

>>717075426
so that they can pay for stuff they want now but cant currently afford on credit and pay back that credit next month

>>717075482
my bank. i have a card and when i pay the money goes from my bank to the other bank. no third party required.

>>717074170
Is it? If gaben takes them to court then I'll believe it but Visa and Mastercard shit out enough money to never have to care for anything...

So how does this all realistically end? The card sharks double down on their "brand risk" circlejerk or will they realize how stupid their actions were?

>>717074307
I have contrarian devil's advocate poster fatigue

>>717075578
Can you name the bank? I wanna see how true this is.

>>717075490
yes but they don't disclose where it came from or what it's used for because we have laws over here that protect your privacy.

>>717075587
They've been at it for decades, it's just rarely talked about. Now everyone is waking up to the fact that visa mastercard are assholes.

>The Myth of Consensual Banking
>Buyer: Yes!
>Seller: Yes!
>Payment Processor: NO!
>Wasn't there someone you forgot to ask?

>>717075629
sparkasse

>>717075669
I have not renewed my visa card this year so its something at least

>>717075690
>spark ass
Fucking germans, I swear.

>>717075741
we like sparkly stuff and ass what can i say

>>717075587
Fans of NSFW games aren't a demographic which is politically salient in the US, but gun fans are. As this isn't the first MC/V cartel decided that legal transactions of legal goods are something they do not want, previously they dropped gun sales, they earned the ire of gun fans. Thus a law is making its way through Congress.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/987/all-info

>>717073740 (OP)
Its gonna get much worse. VISA and Mastercard will just double down and remove any NSFW including some horror games.

>>717074435
Do we have the name of this sub contractor?

>>717075810
Unfortunately, that pic is the only info I have on it, however, I'm sure more proof of it will come out, including more specific clues on this "subcontractor".

>>717075796
>can buy pornhub premium with a gazillion step-sister videos
>cant buy visual novel with step-sister route

>>717075713
Wonder how many people were doing an ethnicity check

>>717074435
some more info

>>717075779
>>717075669
So what... gamers are gonna be the ones to topple the card sharks? Unlikely methinks but I'll be happy to be proven wrong...

>>717073740 (OP)
Isn't it funny how they did this to "protect their brand" (yes I know it's a blank term to basically say "we have internal politics and you goym have to listen" but bare with me) and yet they were never getting flak for it before, only now? Streisand effect of the decade right here.

>>717076118
They caught flak for it before, but the scope was far smaller and didn’t crest over into broader impact upon the gaming market.

>>717076089
Gamers are actually the strongest community

>>717073740 (OP)
>bestiality
And that's where they fucked up. Other groups will take the beating but furfags will destroy mastercard. They don't understand the power of the furfag lobby

>>717075587
won't do shit in court it would take years and waste money, just complying is easier, they will settle out court if need be.

>>717076256
This is a meme but gamers spend billions a year

>>717076348
I wonder how much of their internal IT is made up of furries lol

>>717076348
Beastiality is not furfaggotry.
It's about dogs and horses fucking human women.
Furfags don't like human woman, so that's not their thing.
They don't consider furries fucking other furries beastiality.

>>717073740 (OP)
If gabe gets these fuckers to reverse this i'm gonna laugh my ass off.

>>717076437
>Beastiality is not furfaggotry
Yeah that's what they all say.
>dogs and horses fucking human women
And also men fucking cats and dogs which is let's face it is with furfags do every day

>>717076437
Mastercard doesn't make the distinction.

>>717073740 (OP)
To begin with, most consumers don’t associate the products they buy with a credit card brand and then look down on or respect it. Don’t be conceited. It’s merely valued as a convenient tool, so asserting your ego and interfering with consumers will only earn you contempt.

Why aren't payment processors nationalized and made part of the government? They really shouldn't be third-party middlemen that add bullshit rules on top of what the law already forbids.

>>717073740 (OP)
CORPO FIGHT!!!
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!
LET'S GO CORPO FIGHT!!!!!

>>717076747
>And also men fucking cats and dogs
Show me an adult game or Patreon 3D beastiality artist that does that.
That is such a niche in video games and 3D art that it has nothing to do with the master card/visa problem we are currently discussing.
>>717076754
If that is true than great, then the furautists will riot and hopefully bring some positive change.

>>717076910
>Show me an adult game or Patreon 3D beastiality artist that does that.
How the fuck would I know that. But I do know that a lot of furry shit isn't furry x furry, it's man x furry. And then it's just the line between a furry and an animal that determines if it's bestiality

>>717073740 (OP)
>"The sale of a product or service, including an image, which is patently offensive and lacks serious artistic value"
Isn't art subjective? How does Mastercard determine what's art what's not?
Why not go after the real life porn industry which dabbles in human trafficking?

>>717074307
I have male dicksucker fatigue

>>717073740 (OP)
Don't understand why one of them doesn't find this as an opportunity to backstab the other one and gain marketshare

>>717076910
Patreon has been pressured by "payment processors" to change its guidelines years ago though.

>>717077008
>Gay Bear sex that appeals to fags, trannies, and real women.
Ok
>Female character is attractive and shows more than 5% skin.
Not ok

>>717074663
Mortal Kombat is actually safe since it's a regulated tournament that everyone agrees to take part in with full knowledge that death and dismemberment may happen at any time

>>717076437
MC give themselves two outs, "by way of example and not limitation", and "any other material the Corporation deems unacceptable". The latter is basically a carte blanche allowing MC full discretion. Arguing if some particular genre falls into one of the listed examples is missing the point.

>>717076437
furry stuff has gone under some weird scrutiny recently
hmofa is bestiality
anthro on anthro is ok

>>717075772
basiert ^^

>>717077007
>it's man x furry.
Which is not beasitality.
Those furries are 99% like Krystal and Renamon. Their fursona OC's also follow a similar pattern, for example they draw a human woman with tits and everything and then they draw a zebra head that is able to speak, and color her in zebra colors which is different from actual zebra fucking which would be beastiality.
They are sentient fictional creatures like the Mass Effect Aliens and then it's not beastiality.
I guess on model pokemon fuckers would count as beastiality but again, that content is very, very rarely(if ever) in gog, steam or dl-site, so it's not what we are talking about here. I guess you would have to commision such art directly to an artist through paypall and something similar but those artists would surely hide their content from paypal.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mastercard-releases-statement-clarifying-recent-headlines-on-gaming-content-relating-to-pulled-adult-content-on-steam-itch-up-valve-responds.1259835/
https://yellat.money/

lmao, all gamers are united over this

>>717077291
>hmofa is bestiality
If that is true than, as I mentioned before Mass Effect aliens and other fantasy creatures like the goats from WoW or those colorful bitches from Star Wars should be outlawed as well. Oh yeah there is Soraka from LoL as well.This is extremely retarded on their part.

I wish I was into AI years ago to write up some Helen Lovejoy model

>>717074862
even if that were true its still on mastercard and visa to investigate who is doing it and make them stop that shit
but they had that chance when japs first went to their hq and yet they didnt do shit and it got even worse

>>717077486
and of course the druid bear sex from baldurs gate three

>>717073740 (OP)
>payment processors: you will not use our services to sell products we don't like
>game distributors: sells fetish donkey porn games
>payment processors: *forces you to take your games down*
>game distributors: noooo, how could this happen! censorship!
so everyone in the gaming industry is financially illiterate, not just gamers. are they going to cry to the EU now to regulate the mean payment processors for hurting their fee-fees?

>>717077291
>hmofa is bestiality

>>717077573
The druid doesn't transform into an antrophomoric bear so it's 100% beastiality. Always has been.

>>717077427
(((they))) fear this

>>717075587
>So how does this all realistically end?
legislation, they are clearly using their power as a duopoly to bully other companies. they exist out of necessity, you can't tell the general population to just stop using payment processors, it's apart of every day life.

>>717074328
Yep
Guess what's next on the chopping block
Say goodbye to 90%+ of Steam's remaining catalog

>>717075426
Because it's technically cheaper. Credit card companies pay for the product, and then charge you with a small (1-3%) discount. Basically, if you're a responsible customer, a credit card is free money.

If you're not a responsible customer, then it becomes an issue. Credit cards are basically designed to make you want to spend more money than you have, at which point you have to deal with ludicrous interest rates (generally around 25% annually).

>>717077050
>why maintain a duopoly when i can just get anti-trust'd instead
lowiq

>>717074595
And what does that do for everyone? You're still beholden to them to engage in commerce, their reputation being in the shitter changes nothing, you're still either in total compliance and obeisance to their rules or you simply can't operate as a business.
The only way is to force them to reverse these policies and legislate away their ability to deny legal purchases or compel storefronts to extralegally censor creators on behalf of the payment processors via removals of product.

>>717076382
Fair...

I've been weary of mastercunt and vagina for a while so maybe I'm just weary...

>>717073740 (OP)
there really should be protests and calls to break up mastercard and visa. They've been getting too comfortable dictating peoples shit for them.

>>717075426
mainly because it builds up your credit score. paying your debts on time for years makes you far more reliable in the eyes of a bank than someone who never got into debt.
and unless you have rich parents, you need to get into debt to do anything. buy a car, a house, start a business, get married.
maybe in Europe debt-free debit card users are seen as responsible, but in the US they're scared, irresponsible and likely poor.

>>717074307
>>717074049
>>717073948
Shalom.

Corporate bootlickers deserve the death penalty.

>>717073890
>They're hypocrites, but not liers
Its the same fucking thing you dumb fuck.

>>717073740 (OP)
SO mastercard should be blocking all payments for Balders Gate 3.
Also based valve.

>>717074328
Guess everyone forgot when Trump said that he planned on doing something about violent video games.

>>717075614
Pete... I think it's about time

>can't have rape, incest, bestiality, or minors in porn video games
Meanwhile
>Stephen King wrote an underage gang bang in IT
>GoT exist
>a dude in Congress wrote a story about fucking a bear
>all of the 1% are child fuckers
It doesn't make any sense.

>>717073890
>Mastercard's policy is to not make moral judgements and to process payments unless it's illegal.
this is a direct lie because the second part of the policy literally suggest it can block payments for
"offensive" content "or any other material that the corporation deems unacceptable". these are products they KNOW are legal.

it's a clear lie.

>717074307
This retarded tranny avatarfag spammer thinks corporations are his friends

>>717078794
they want to forbid you from doing what they do to rub it in your face
simple as

>>717078794
They generally don’t own the games they wish to ban, so it’s just about power.

>>717078823
Obscenity laws still exist on the books. And that specific bit about lacking artistic value is almost directly pulled from the wording of obscenity laws.. For the most part those laws can't be enforced because they are so vague and up to interpretation, but all this shit recently to me points to the fact that someone may be hinting that they are going to try to enforce those laws.

>>717079639
I think its all just a general attempt at censorship. I feel like it wasn't planned out either, they're trying to force it quick. I think between the rising anti-government and anti-semitism as well as the skg movement actually getting its required signatures and shilling failing the government and corporations are trying to tighten control on the net. People are organizing and public sentiment is going in the wrong direction, against government and corporate interests. Which is typical, we win one vidya victory against, symbolic thus far honestly, against the corpos and they decide to flip the fucking table.

anyone pro payment processors are prolly ai bots

>>717078794
It makes perfect sense. They're psychopath liars and bullies.

>>717075690
absoluter könig

>>717077427
we should know how strong those trannies are. they ruled the western world for 15 years. having the antagonists of the last game be in your party for the sequel is a good feeling.

>nonconsensual mutilation of a person or bodypart

what the fuck is this supposed to mean? You can only depict someone getting killed or maimed if they agree to it?

>>717080216
It's probably just a fancier way of saying "no slave branding". Imagine trying to enforce this shit. Or violence or whatever. Just kill the entire vidya industry, bro.

>>717080216
yes, like doctors who mutilate the gentials of babies.

>>717080534
Oy vey.

>>717080216
That sounds so broad that literally any videogame with even slight violence could fall under it. Do you think Pokeys consent to Mario knocking their body segments off?

>>717080216
which means you could file an official complaint for kcd2 having henry get branded as a criminal.

>>717074049
Ah yes because companies ABSOLUTELY love /pol/

>>717073740 (OP)
>No, they didn't speak to us directly
>But we kneeled anyways
Hmmmmmmm.

>>717080216
>>717080647
Should start reporting Nintendo games to MC just for fun and giggles. Hell, tell Collective Shout how vile and misogynist Mario's behaviour is.

The previous thread about this was archived so shouldn't this one be archived too?

>>717081471
>entity that controls all the money has you in their sites
>they refuse to cooperate or even begin to negotiate with you
of course they fucking kneeled, do you think valve is more powerful than fucking mastercard and visa?

>>717075614
Toxo my transmosis Pete.

>>717081538
Cope

>>717074307
nigga is probably giggling to himself like a fag seeing that (You) icon on the tab, hes clicking back to this page only to see this instead: You really should kill yourself man.

>>717073948
>conservative soccermoms
noone is buying this cringe bullshit lie

>Gabe named the Jew
They are not going to be happy

>>717073890
>UMMM ACKSHUALLY ERRRRR TECHNICKUHLEE UHHHH
Mastercard pressured Valve through mouthpieces, citing their direct policy codes they believe are being infringed.
They lied by omission, leaving out the part where they contacted other entities who then forwarded the message to Valve.

>Be a mob boss
>Have a rule saying that people who insult you should be killed
>Your lackeys kill people who insult you
>You come out and say you didn't personally kill anyone who insulted you
Oy vey it is another shoah

>>717077707
>you can't tell the general population to just stop using payment processors
True but I'm fucking trying.
Here in Italy we have some alternatives (Bancomat Pay) that bypass visa/MC and connects directly to the bank networks but fucking nobody uses them.

Does it exists a comprehensive list of digital payments options that don't rely on those duopoly fuckers?

>>717074049
>>717078448
>Jews invented degeneracy and porn to destroy the West
>Jews are also behind its banning and encroaching regulations against porn
Pick a lane, you lot

>>717082241
>Jews are also behind its banning and encroaching regulations against porn
No you retard. Jews want to be able to ban anything on the basis it is porn. Did you even read the article?

>>717082132
It's like they're furious that they're the ones that have to bear responsibility instead of their proxies.

>>717074049
>umprompted deflection and misdirection out of nowhere
t. moishe shekelstein

>>717082367
I bet they are mad that Gabe actually named the jew rather than let them hide behind their proxies

>>717082241
jews are genetically prone to schizophrenia
convenient, huh?

>>717082241
Ever heard of schizophrenia?
>jews genocide arabs in israel
>jews are against israel
Pay more attention, dumb goy.

>>717082224
With America in decline, hopefully we get something to eventually bypass these fucks. China already bypasses these fucks.

>>717073740 (OP)
Please don't do it Steam we need you to be the bad guy Please be the villain please please please we're so desperate to make you the villain

>>717082241
jewish porn hegemony punishes gentiles stepping on their toes. it's pretty fucking straightforward.

>>717082241
they want to ban porn they dont make and regulate especially the japanese kind

They used their goons to do it, it doesn't absolve them because its MasterCard (and Visa's) policies that these payment processors and banks are citing as the reasons Valve can't sell these games. They're pushing the bullshit from MC/Visa's own garbage policies so they're culpable. A
>Hey hey, I didn't wack anyone. I just told Rocko and Fisto to inform Mr Steinenbaum that he hasn't payed this month's security surcharge which you'll see on this form notarized by a friend of ours who is an attorney, he agreed to do. The fact he ended up with cement shoes doesn't have anything to do with me
isn't going to cut it.

How stupid do you have to be to fuck with gamers. Even the jews bow to gamers. Why would you attack them unless you wanted to die.

>>717080216
Circumcision Simulator was delisted. Snipped if you will.

>>717082241
Jews want to ban porn that's not created and/or approved by them and their human trafficking apparatus.
They also want you to use your ID to access the porn so they have easy blackmail material. They KNOW retards, including politicians and CEOs, will do it anyways because they're barely human.

>>717074435
>Financial censorship
What a fake term

>>717074307
>Toxofaggot
Makes sense

>>717083281
Evey term is fake

>>717073740 (OP)
>nonconsentual mutilation of a person or body part
>literally every game with violence and fighting will be banned

>>717076868
>Let's make the government the payment processor
Congrats, the problem is now 100x worse.

>>717074049
>proof?
The financier world, central banks and mass media being owned by a few families of jews that can be traced to the expulsion of jews from Spain in the XV century that ended in Netherland and England that would end with the construction of the company of Indias of Netherland and England, bonus point to John Crowell and his cronies for the creation of zionism (yes it was a british invention not a jewish one, because protestants from England thought of themselves as the last tribe and with the right to restore the sacred land)

On top of that you also have to point to American evangelicals and masonic lodges playing a big part along these funny people whose grandfather crossed the ocean along Moses

>>717073890
both things you said are just not true
how does jew dick taste?

>>717084259
Government actions are by courts held to a higher standard than actions of private companies. Thus Operation Chokepoint had to be secretive and circumspect.

>>717074862
>So it's third parties working with Mastercard
that Mastercard told to enforce their policies and pressure their clients into complying

>wellllllllll technically WE didnt directly say it straight to [company], we just had our enforcers enforce our written ToS on [company]
>totally different!
>oh by the way our ToS where we say we block things we dont like?
>you're just mistaken, stop believing your eyes

>>717082241
>Create a problem
>"Solve it" in a way that just so happens to give yourself ridiculous amounts of power

>>717076089
the entire political shift happening today is because of gamers

>>717074862
>i didn't do anything it was my henchmen!

>>717077626
>a payment processor should have the ability to block lawful purchases just because they feel like it
how about a big fat "NO", you kikesucking faggot

>>717084929
>I didn't do anything, it was my goons

>I ordered the hit but it was the assassin who did it okay?
?

>>717075181
It's because they are shills, so the least responsability they can depict payment processors as having for the visacaust, the better.

>>717075779
>Fans of NSFW games aren't a demographic which is politically salient in the US,

BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT MAKES THEM THE PERFECT SOFT TARGET for the authoritarian take over that's happening in the Unites States to sink their teeth into.

They'll start here just to get people desensitized to the thought that credit card companies get to censor our media. Once Mastercard and Visa have proven and established themselves as a force with the powers stronger than the 1st amendment of the constitution, then those with authoritarian plans, desires, and desires will come knocking on their door asking for help.

This is the banks repositioning themselves to a new place of power in preparation for the new authoritarian regime change that's happening. The banks are NOT THE GOOD GUYS in this story and I pray history sees their gamesmanship this way.

>>717073948
They are, by definition, leftoid feminists

>>717076006
>abreviates something
>proceeds to still use the full name followed bg the abreviation instead of just using the abreviation

>>717084749
anyone who doesn't acknowledge this is my enemy.

>>717082241
>he doesn't know about the helegian diacretic

>>717077291
>Hmofa is bestiality
By that logic human x elf is bestiality too, hell i'd argue even nigger porn is bestiality! (Which it is, but i'm talking about "by that logic")

>>717077626
It's against american law for payment processors to control the sales of legal content

>>717084259
Explain why. Letting some private entity govern my payments and getting in the way of them if it desires, even if no law is broken, sounds like a stupid deal.

>>717077661
Well, technically bears are anthros like monkeys

>>717073948
Project 2025 is real. USA is going to try and push their Republican censorship onto the rest of the world.

>>717082224
>Bancomat pay
How hard is it to move a postepay on that?

it's such a nutty coincidence that every one of these threads immediatelly derails into left VS right shitflinging. almost like some blatant divide and conquer shill campaign or something, haha

>>717085956
Same as it ever was.

>>717075932
Porn has a woman getting paid, so feminists like it. Hentai doesn't, so they don't like it. That's why all feminists are pro prostitutes, but anti prostitution. What they want is prostitution without a middle man to extract maximum value for the woman.

>>717076437
You really think mastercard is gonna see a dog-shaped male with a dog penis and think it's not bestiality?
>>717084259
This. Phone calls will potentially fix this problem, with the government it never would have done anything and they would have just disabled all means of contacting them - they already do this for anything unpopular they do. Private companies have to make money and have to keep their business running, leaving them vulnerable to any measure that makes them lose money. Even if they have infinite money they don't like seeing that they now have to spend an extra 1 billion on call centers.
They also don't like a 3 billion dollar company "seeking alternatives" to their services.
They also DO recognize the brand damage happening, that if some big company is ditching you other companies might follow suit and future companies might be way of you.
At this point there's not a full reversal only because they have to do it slowly and try to take off as much heat as possible.

>>717085956
WRONG [CHUD/TRANNY]], IT'S [RIGHTISTS/LEFTISTS] WHO ARE TO BLAME FOR THIS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED THIS. DON'T COME BEGGING FOR HELP. YOU VOTED FOR THIS. YOU WANT THIS.

>>717085731
Then why is there a bill forbidding discrimination by payment processors on the grounds of "reputational risks" aka exactly what MC cites, sponsored solely by Republicans?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/987/all-info

>>717077626
Bad ragebait.
The actual answer to this though is that payment processors are in the same place telephone companies were decades ago, they can't refuse service to people over their opinions. The reason it's gone on so long is that it hasn't been challenged in court thoroughly, but eventually it will be same as what happened to telephone companies.

>>717073740 (OP)
When even Valve who's known to be censorship-heavy nowadays call out visa and mastercard you know they're fucked.

>>717082557
Jews are against Israel because it's a glorified american military based used to destablize the middle east and attract hatred on them while american oligarchs get away with their wars undisturbed.
Orthodox jews are against Israel because outside of the aforementioned issues its very existence goes against the scriptures.
zionists=/=jews

>>717086289
What happened to phone companies?

>>717086308
America is just a golem for Jews if you didn't notice.

>>717082367
They are. That's the whole point of a corporation to begin with. Privatize gains, socialize losses. They're mad that the losses are being privatized to them.

>>717086296
Imagine a world where they fire Mary

>>717081867
Pro life feminists.

>>717086395
Telephone companies can't deny service but they also can't be held accountable for people using their service.

>>717079817
>I think it's all a general attempt at censorship
Yeah, this. We're told that "THE BAD GUY" tiny group of activists did this, but who paid them? Could have been some government, could have been some (((private interest group))), they probably did not just grow up out of the dirt.
Basically anyone interested in censoring could just pay some people to lobby X payment processor and have them pull things, then all the blame goes on them. The US government did this during covid with twitter, for example. The UK could be doing the entirety of this.

>>717074595
Except they ARE untouchable. They're also completely in the right on this one, Steam having outright porn on it is fucking weird. It's like if your local supermarket opened a dildo section.

>>717073890
Twisting your statements to be technically true in order to give a false impression about the matter at hand is still lying. Any distinctions you try to cling to are irrelevant and don't change anything.

>>717085731
Wrap yourself in tin foil and kys

>>717086558
Steam has fucking very good family control settings. If a god damn parebt is leavung their kid unattended browising an online shop then they are retarded.

Make a god damn steam family.

>>717086415
Yeah anon, I'm sure the 200+ years old empire with the highest concentration of oligarchs in the world is secretely just a puppet state to some minuscule stretch of land in the middle east which doesn't even have a hundred years of history (and was forced upon the rest of world by wealthy americans in the first place) and not the exact opposite.
It's also a total coincidence that there's american military bases in Israel that keep getting expanded each and every year.

>>717086558
Well, American Walmarts already sell guns, so...

I think I wouldn't use it, personally, but I could get used to it.

>Watching a payment processor of all things panic
ITS AFRAID

>>717086558
This. It's icky doo doo.

Who is the goober at these places making all these weird decisions?

>>717085731
>There has been constantly increasing censorship in video games for at least the past 15 years
>Literally all of it is the result of left wing bullying
>Lefties are now trying to pretend that censorship is a right wing endeavor
How they lie so brazenly and think no one will call them out is astonishing.

>>717085956
Radical centrists like you never have a real argument. All you do is complain about both sides, which isn't any different from one side complaining about the other.

>>717086558
My supermarket sells condoms and lube

>>717086458
Mary is literally the most powerful person in the world

>>717073859
lock deez nuts
in yo mouf

>/v/: I'm so tired of ugly fat brown women in video games! I hope the pendulum swings so that this degeneracy is stamped out!
>Pendulum swings
>The "degeneracy" that is stamped out is anything pornographic, anything "non consensual" and anything "offensive" which in this case means offensive to old 70 year old soccer moms that hate violence, boobs, and violent boobs.
I'm so tired of all this. I just wanted to play video games.

Ser, n------ v*lvedrones?
We had to talk with v*lve

>>717073740 (OP)
PEDOPHILES RISE UP!

>>717077291
Pretty sure even pure anthro stuff is getting shat on, there are tons of furries up in arms over this meaning we have high grade weaponized autism on our side.

>>717075614
Pete, you have to help me out one final time

>>717073740 (OP)
>nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part
finally, can we please cut out the violent video games? us moms have been fighting this since the 80s.

>>717074862
Well no one is ever responsible if you just use intermediaries to communicate
>I'm not racist, my dog has expressed concerns about the loud rap music

>>717087268
I didn't want to make fat brown women illegal to depict in video games. I just wanted fat brown women peddlers to stop sticking their greasy fingers into every big video game company on the planet. I was fine with them making their own shit.
The problem is, their own shit flops. They can only succeed when they're parasitizing the goodwill of existing companies/franchises.

>>717087040
Centrism is a form of non-identitarian politics. It's just a way for lefties who aren't fond of transsexual politics or right-wingers who don't like anti-LGBT, anti-weed, and pro-life stuff to express themselves. In general, centrism usually falls on people who don't want to abide by social policies, but agree with the economic side. And even that is nuanced, since, one, a centrist may believe in government overreach with certain limits, with moderate policies. But I understand you, centrism, especially during 2016, was just a way to shield yourself from criticism. A bunch of fakeass grifters.

>>717080216
The terms directly state "anything the corporation deems bad", everything else is just bullshit.

The rule is nonsensical and too open for subjectivity and that's exactly what they want when they decide to do stuff like this.

>>717087539
Being cut on the hand is illegal now.

>>717076089

>>717082752
Why is pornhub and co getting banned then?

>>717085956
There's no need to have shills artificially divide opinions anymore. Retards actually do it themselves at this point.

>>717086050
they want prostitution without prostituion
aka they want men to pay women without any act happening

>>717075426
These, use your local banks

>>717073740 (OP)
>Statement from Valve to Kotaku
Press X to Doubt

>>717087040
that post has nothing to do with centrism you absolute fucking retard, it has everything to do with the fact despite whatever beliefs either side holds, what is happening now is infringing on our freedoms because corpos want to decide everything for us.

>>717076089
You said the same thing about gamer gate, and a few years later they elected an orange clown that sucks jew cock for breakfast.

>be valve
>make billions
>don't support local payment services
>cry when Mastercard fucks you
It is all deserved.

>>717087725
>why were all the amateur, user-uploaded porn videos removed and made so only the "trusted professionals" can upload?
work those neurons

>>717088060
Pornhub is blocked in America, France and soon most of Europe. (UK is not Europe, it's a 3rd world country)

>>717087040
>YOU HAVE TO PICK A SIDE
no

>>717085731
Then why is the UK with its liberal goverment worse? Soon they won't be able to play GTA online without scanning their faces

>>717074435
>Japan's major ebook stores
call them what they are chud, hentai websites selling loli and rape hentais. It is funny to see you all crying but not being able to tell what actually you are defending

>>717087856
Identity politics. Leftists shouting that everything is grooming, and right-wingers doing the same thing. Of course, their type of grooming is about something very subjective. They love dialectics.

>>717087268
>le pendulum meme
there is only the perpetual left.

https://x.com/gelbooru/status/1951486311749038104

It's either cryptocurrency or Jewish financial tyranny. Choose.

>>717086862
"Oligarchs"=jews.
Jews=/=israel.
Wake up.

>>717088280
>raging at hentai
Where do you think you are, normalfaggot?

>>717088537
This is such insane cope.

Credit card companies have been dping this for AGES. Even before Japan Patreon was one of the first sites they collectively shat on.

>>717088537
BUT AT LEAST WE GOT CANE SUGAR IN OUR COCA COLA NOW!!!

>>717088162
Of course you do, there is a reason why not taking a position is traditionally considered to be a literal sin.

>>717073740 (OP)
>trannytaku as news source

>>717087268
This isn't the pendulum swinging at all you dipshit
It's literally Jewish finance getting scared and trying to bring things under control. Porn is just a distraction to get you to accept being controlled

>>717088620
Direct bank payment. China already does that.

>>717088775
You will never wrestle control of banking from their hands. Not in America, not in a trillion years.

>nooo I have to buy "rapist simulator 2025: scat and loli rape edition"
get real, go outside and touch grass and maybe you can heal. you should be thanking mastercard for trying to stop buying such filth

>>717073740 (OP)
the irony that Valve is against crypto payments when this would checkmate Mastercard and Visa

>>717073740 (OP)
Both mastercard and visa will always try to deny they are enforcing any guidelines and blame their partners and intermediaries, which is still them by the way.
We've seen it happen a bunch of times already

>>717088190
You have to remember that UK is still a monarchy.
All the politicians are lords and you have to be part of the lordly bloodlines to be eglible for govern.
Under the thin veneer of a modern system it is still just the aristocracy owning the peasant masses.
It has never been anything else. The masks hiding the desire to put their property back in their place has been slipping more than usual tho.

>>717088836
Cause Americans are retarded

>>717088868
And they get away with it all the name.
Gabe names the jew now.

>>717088738
It is jewish mastercard vs jewish steam. And I am all for stopping coomers

>>717088738
Even if it's not about the pendulum swinging, the impression that it is is causing a lot of useful idiots to be created. How many "based christian trad" larpers have you seen calling all this stuff good because it's "defeating degeneracy"? Sure there are lots of people on both sides opposing this, but there wouldn't be as many supporters if this weird nuChristian puritan larp position didn't exist, and it didn't several years ago.

>>717088537
Can these retarded niggers stop trying to push left right shit.
There is literally only one problem here and it's the fact that payment processors are allowed to act the way they do. This is the root of the problem.

Make it so that payment processors can't unilaterally financially obliterate others for no reason other than feefees and we're good.

>>717088980
it is not femfems, everyone hates you degenerates

>>717074862
You see mister judge, my client Herr Gôring, never killed anyone, it was merely his subordinates who did.

>>717089128
>gelbooru hates degenerates

>western "right wing" party is allowed to win an election for once
>literally always coincides with an international effort to erode your rights
>good boy "left wing" parties successfully shielded from scrutiny and responsibility, despite doing nothing to oppose or undo the erosion
im noooooticing

>>717075741
lol
>>717075690
here is Sparkassen-Card (Debitkarte) | Sparkasse Hochrhein
sounds like you're lying
see the "visa" on it?

>pedos and furries are BTFOed
uhh based?

>>717088946
Yeah I'm pretty sure MasterCard is a million times more jewish than steam you fucking dumbass

>>717075690

>>717089295
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girocard

>>717089356
It is not that far behind

>>717075587
>So how does this all realistically end?
Not entirely clear. Visa and MC have some serious risks here, and the biggest one is that all the governments and pressure groups in the world see the feminist soccer mom success here as open season to start proxy wars on visa and MC's turf.

One thing is not clear is exactly WHO the fuck made the call on this, as in specific names and processes.

Additional possible outcome: New currencies or networks. Musk has very much wanted in on this, and he was on Paypal. Imagine if China decides to jump in as an alternative.

>>717076089
No. There are a lot of angry idiots who suddenly give a fuck about what credit cards are doing in a way that can't make Visa and MC any money, and can cost them.

>>717089295
It's literally all visa/mastercard yes
in europe we had maestro and we have vpay
but vpay=visa and maestro=mastercard
it's impossible to escape them in any way

>>717089447
Germany actually has it's own thing >>717089395

>>717088725
Which sin? Biblical chapter and verse please?

>>717088980
I wouldn't be surprised if corp and gov agencies are pushing the far right shit upon the movement to divide it and to pin the neo-nazi label on it. It's the same playbook that was used to disintegrate occupy wallstreet.

>>717089395
Your article says this:
>German girocards are commonly co-branded with Mastercard's Maestro/Cirrus or Visa's V Pay logo, allowing cardholders to use them in other European countries.[1][2][3][4][5] As another co-badging option, combined girocard/JCB cards were introduced in 2016.[6]
>The Deutscher Sparkassen- und Giroverband (German Savings Banks Association) has announced that upcoming Sparkassen-Cards will also function as full Debit Mastercard or Visa Debit cards in addition to girocards and will have a 16-digit Mastercard/Visa number to pay online.[7] Some banks are phasing out girocards. DKB, for instance, starting in 2023 issues its customers a Visa Debit card and charges extra for a Girocard.[8]
>>717089447
I'm European too and I think all of my credit and debit cards are visa.

>>717089428
>Imagine if China decides to jump in as an alternative.
I can't wait to get my funds frozen because I tried to buy a game made in Taiwan or that featured a skeleton

>>717088738
Also this payment processor shit (the modern surge of it at least) has been happening for nearly a fucking decade at this point

>>717089546
Right, it does both

>>717073948
>listening to conservative soccermoms
They're listening to screeching feminists and following the hysterical precedent that leftists have set this last decade, where problematic = harmful = deplatformed and everyone is pressured to adhere to the latest wokescold guidelines

>>717073740 (OP)
that rule they quote sounds like absolute horse shit since it's obvious MasterCard picks and chooses where to implement it. that rule alone should kill their company because Amazon still sells items like confederate flags or weird fetish items if you look hard enough meaning it should be blocked as a whole from MasterCard as well. all streaming services shouldn't be allowed either since they allow people to view R rated movies that have rape and murder themes. all bookstores need to be banned as well since they sell things like erotic and hardcore crime novels that have rape and violence as central themes. they have never and will never enforce this rule on them though. could steam fight them and argue this in court that they are picking and choosing what companies they will enforce their standards on?

>>717089576
>Also this payment processor shit (the modern surge of it at least) has been happening for nearly a fucking decade at this point

It started in 2018. tumblr was the first site to submit for it.

>mfw 2018 was almost a decade ago

>>717089428
>One thing is not clear is exactly WHO the fuck made the call on this, as in specific names and processes.
Even if the CEOs of Visa and Mastercard didn't make the call, they must know about it by now, and could reverse it if they want to. So the buck stops there.

>>717089519
so did we back in france (carte bancaire / carte bleue) but it's been absorbed by visa+mastercard
it's happening in most other countries, they're all being phased out and are already fully compatible with visa+mastercard

ffs

>>717089447
We also have things like klarna and other online payment services

>>717089689
iirc that case was technically Apple trying to keep the appstore squeaky clean.

My banks debit card used to be visa but then they changed it… to mastercard
it's literally a monopoly, there is no escape
it's over
billions must pay

>>717089784
Choose.

>>717089295
>Sparkass Mustard

>>717089667
that's not an argument. mc is a private business and they can discriminate however they like except on the basis of protected classes like race and religion. cunny game isn't one of them.

>>717089761
>The Klarna Credit Card is issued by WebBank pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A.
netherland's iDEAL is a better example, so maybe the new european WERO too

>>717089284
>Ok so I was part of successfully voting a right wing government into power and now it is destroying everything
>Why did you allow me to do it tho? Hmm? Isn't that suspicious?

This isn't even mental gymnastics anymore. You are a mental acrobatic contortionist.

>>717089784
Nobody will do anything unless they anticipate literally full denial of service like russia did.

>>717074049
OY VEY!! SHALOM RABBI MOSHE!!

>>717089771
tumblr is a website, not an app?

>>717089784
they shuffle clients (banks) between them to pretend there's competition

>>717089667
Man, I miss Jean-Claude Van Damme movies. They were so fucking fun.

his Van Johnson series poking fun of his own failures was great too.
I oughta re-watch JCVD(2008) where he plays himself accidentally stumbling into a bank robbery.

>>717073890
J*wish lawyers really wonder why everyone hates them.

>>717073948
>o consumers that outnumber them: "Errmmms not my fault!"
kek come on anon there arent more gooners on steam/itch than soccermoms.

>>717089965
Where the fuck is Anonymous when you need them

>>717089993
Apple demanded they remove all adult content to keep the iOS app.

>>717075647
They absolutely disclose it retard. Anti ML laws are all part of every nation.

>>717089546
>>717089613
Yeah, they do both, and it's the store's payment terminal that decides what network to use
Here it defaults to our national debit card system and it's what the overwhelming majority of stores use

>>717085731
>leftists institute censorship complex through dogmatic bludgeoning and harassment
>conservatives consistently oppose this and tell them it can't end well
>the precedent leftists set leads to more censorship by meddling feminists and authoritarian lefty governments using the same rhetoric about "harm"
>THIS IS CONSERVATIVES' FAULT
>no proof for any of these "IT'S PROJECT 2025!" claims but they keep making them
I hate leftists so much

>>717088963
Not many. You anti-christianity suckers are way more common, honestly. The based Christpilled group always understands what I mean when I say that porn is bad and Jewish, but this is just a censorship move by kikes. It's you compulsive anti-christians that are insufferable

>>717090128
You need an app to use apple? Fitting I guess. How come they didn't do that to every other major website that allowed adult content?

>>717085731
>Project 2025 is real.
What's the qrd on this?

>>717075587
>So how does this all realistically end?
It ends as it is now. stuff got delisted and visa/mc move on.

>>717089714
You're confusing the Carte Bancaire and Carte Bleue networks (Carte bleue is what was absorbed by VISA), probably because we all say "carte bleue" for payment cards of any kinds.
The Carte Bancaire network is still there and working independently from VISA/Mastercard since 1984

>>717074862
>If only the tsar knew
Nothing ever changes

>>717089890
>it's a private business and they can do what they like
Will you say the same when corporations start owning oxygen and charging you to breathe it?

>>717074307
Cute smug kot

>>717090201
Phone users are retards, they can't figure out how to access a website if it doesn't have an app (which loads a dumbed down version of the site).

>>717090189
>people who share my delusions understand my schizobabble

>>717083051
Wrong, they made sure to get the needed material to blackmail them if they dont

>>717090214
Trump doing what Trump promised to do once he got into office.

>>717089714
>>717090258
See also: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupement_des_cartes_bancaires

>>717090308
???
You can just open a web browser on your phone and type in tumblr.com
Or do Apple phones forbid this and require you to only use apps? I honestly don't know, I exclusively use Andriods to avoid that sort of fuckery.

>>717090373
Proof?

>>717088537
>It's not the UK doing it
>It's actually the orange man!
Why are they like this?

>thread devolves into /pol/tards baiting each other again

>>717090418
If you don't have an app your site is dead.
People don't use websites anymore.
No apple app = users move on to the next site that does have an app

>>717090485
The UK and vis/MC are two different events that are happening side by side. But the UK bill didnt influence visa/MC to suddenly act.

>>717073740 (OP)
>>717073948
>>717074049
Kinda a crazy amount of power that Mastercard/Visa have
The 2 could single handedly block all online payment if they wanted to

>>717090201
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/29/23377446/tumblr-matt-mullenweg-post-nsfw-porn-internet-service-moderation-policies
>If Apple permanently banned Tumblr from the App Store, we’d probably have to shut the service down.

>>717090214
There's a ultra-conservative group called the Heritage Foundation that's one of Trump's big backers and some of their members got key appointments. Other members are in major state-level positions in various conservative states.
They have an agenda called Project 2025, which you can look up and read, which calls for all sorts of crazy stuff - banning porn is just the tip of the iceberg.
It's not to be confused with Agenda 47, which is Trump's stated plan for his second term Presidency.

>>717090439
The current state of USA.

>>717090580
Agreed, random things just happen across the world with no connection all the time at the same time. The UK didn't cause Australia to do theirs either right?

>>717090418
>You can just open a web browser on your phone and type in tumblr.com

That's way too complicated for phone users. They want an icon to press on the screen and the phone to tell them when they got replies.

>>717089613
>>717090143
Right. It would be better if it had nothing to do with visa/mastercard but I'm guessing they have to do it for compatibility with some systems?

>>717088963
I've seen pretty much zero actually. Not even many people on here ragebaiting.

>>717090485
derangement syndrome

>>717090656
That's not proof of anything, sorry.

>>717090297
I will just pirate it

>>717090593
>Why is returning to that era impossible? For now, it’s largely because of intermediaries that play a massive role in how people access the web. Payment processors have long been leery of adult content, and they’ve stepped up enforcement in recent years, in part because of concerns about child abuse and nonconsensual pornography.

So even then, it was partially Visa and Mastercards' fault too. Incredibly depressing article.

>Meanwhile, porn companies have their own stack of payment processing services, but they’re typically far more expensive — something that nearly got adult performers banned from the subscription platform OnlyFans last year.
Interesting.

>>717090797
I think cards should have multiple processors on them, that way the vendor can switch without the consumer having to anything.

>>717090797
Visa/Mastercard are there so that people can buy things outside of the country, and it's also an option for store terminals because of tourists
in short, it's basically mandatory because of interoperatibility with other countries, but if you only use your card for local payments inside your own country, then neither Visa nor Mastercard will get involved at all, they're two different separate applications on the card chip.

>>717090602
>ultra-conservative
and yet they don't oppose mass immigration at all... curious...

>>717090729
So while Apple and payment processors pulled the trigger, the ultimate blame lies with braindead zoomers not understanding simple technology.

>"How is it supposed to be USA behind everything when it's happening all over the world???"
>All happening at the exact same time and springing from UK, AUS and EU
>All anglosphere bitches completely under US pressure
>"How could it be USA?"

I'd be more surprised if it wasn't the US.

>>717073740 (OP)
If fucking VALVE of all companies doesn't have the ability to communicate directly with the payment processors, who the fuck does? How fucking big do you need to be to actually get a word in edgewise with a business you rely on to operate your own?

>>717091121

Conservatives have gained a lot of power in the US and the project 2025 wants to ban all barn.

>>717091057
??? Did you not open a single newspaper since Trump took office???

>>717090705
>The UK didn't cause Australia to do theirs either right?
The aussies didnt pass a bill. It was an activist campaign thats been going on for months.
>>717090990
>I think cards should have multiple processors on them, that way the vendor can switch without the consumer having to anything.
Why would visa pay for cards to be made that can be used by MC? I dont get what you are saying.

>>717091121
I wonder if there's another common factor between those countries...

>>717091019
>>717090990
So it's like a network and germany has its own but your card can access both types of network. And unless your country has a network of its own (like germany) it usually relies on visa/mastercard and it's up to how the banks have set up their systems

>>717091082
The fault lies at the people who dumbed down education and financing so modern schools shit out useless people who are incapable of thinking; because dumb people are easier to control and take advantage of.

>right wing retards get removed from the global banking system
HEH you get what you deserve faggots.
>Kiwi Farms gets removed from the global banking system
HEH you get what you deserve faggots.
>coomer game companies get removed from the global banking system
THIS IS WORLD WAR III EVERYONE ASSEMBLE WE NEED TO MAKE 5,000 YOUTUBE VIDEOS PER SECOND ABOUT HOW THIS IS THE GREATEST INJUSTICE IN WORLD HISTORY THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING MY FREE DUMBS ARE BEING STOLEN THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ANYONE BEFORE NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>717091180
Infinitely big, basically it doesn't matter if you don't actually file lawsuits and lose money over it.
Valve gave up before losing a nickel. No lawyers hired, no social media campaign of their own making, they got a threatening email and said
>Our hands are tied, too bad
If they have 3 billion dollars and use 0 billion dollars to defend themselves in court and in the public eye they effectively have zero dollars. In part this was because they themselves wanted it somewhat - they wanted to on a whim be able to remove whatever porn games they wanted, and their plan was to probably re-instate the ones that were allowed at a future date.

>>717091197
>barn
I doubt republicans would ever be the ones pushing for less beef consumption.

>>717091316
Who are you quoting?

>>717091274
That's correct

>>717091256
They are all white and christian?

>>717091204
>check newspaper
>5 brown illegal immigrants bad!
>100000000000000000000 brown legal immigrants good!

>>717074435
i believe that mastercard was the more litigious one when it came to japan. like mastercard had r18 shut down 2 years ago. it was the largest digital retailer for JAVs.

We need a Luigi for each CEO

>>717074312
MasterCard IS the payment processor.

>>717078608
This isn't a partisan issue. It's happening in multiple countries all at once, all with wildly different political parties in control and wildly different political cultures. Project 2025 couldn't do shit to make the UK's Labour Party decide to turn the fucking country into Airstrip One. Project 2025 couldn't do shit to make Australia a bunch of pearlclutchers. And in any case, both of those trends were already in fucking motion before Trump even ran for president the first time.
Both "sides" want you blaming the other. They're colluding in the interest of consolidating power and manufacturing the consent to undermine our own rights. They both want the precedent to fuck citizens of first world countries over so they can play a retarded king of the hill game where the winner gets to use those tools to forcibly reshape the world in their preferred image.

>payment processor and banking intermediaries
wtf does that mean?

>>717091316
You make a good point about the idiots who supported this stuff when it was happening to people they didn't like, but
FYI I think all three are bad and I've been angry every time
The fact that it's coomer games doesn't matter, this is a bad precedent and this shit needs to stop

>>717089428
>Musk has entire international network to rent
>pretty reasonable rates for any wannabe digital business
>X Payment still delayed in 9 states
>"partnership" with VISA could mean the same thing anyway

>>717091316
Power level chart:
S tier
Coomer
A tier
Tranny
D tier
Chud

>>717090602
Tell me more about the protocols of the learned elders of Zion.

And try to leave out the Alinskyisms.

>>717091512
>They are all white and christian?
Not what I was alluding to, and also increasingly less true

>>717091252
Banks should make their own cards and put every processor on them.

>>717091531

>>717091750
SSS tier
GOONER
Gooners can literally make phone calls for 16 hours a day while gooning, they don't even have to stop. They are the single strongest political force in the world. They've sat idle this long, but they might take a larger role seeing how effective this was. They can just keep gooning while calling.

>>717091278
But our generation had a similarly dumb education but we can handle technology?

>>717091498
thanks for the explanation

A respectable decision by MasterCard CEO. If they were in his place most people would just ignore the blatant degeneracy and indecency sold in the internet in exchange for some shekels, it takes guts to make decisions like that and lose revenue.
He's a white christian father of three, Obviously people are going to align themselves more with him than with the graceless masses of undisclosed racial background screeching for their loli porn games. I, as a soon-to-be father I fully understand his actions, I don't want my children to grow up in the immoral cesspool that is modern internet

>>717091525
...Yes?
Your hyperbolic numbers aside.

>>717086558
dude I know you are a zoomer. blockbuster had a porn section when I was a kid. We have this digitally now too. Parents refuse to learn tech despite the fact they had computer classes growing up and every job requires some level of tech literacy. It's willful ignorance.
Gas stations had nudie mags too btw. The only reason they don't now is because not a single sold would buy that shit hen it's free on the internet
Can you explain why your generation is full of prudes despite supposedly being the most exposed to porn?

>>717091180
>>717091407
To add onto this, a general piracy campaign should have been started to punish Valve for their disloyalty to their base. They have faced legitimately zero consequences for any of this, the gamers just came in and solved their entire payment processor problem for them. Now something will get banned by them in the future and it will be
>Oops, too bad, teehee
and we'll have to do this all over again.

>>717092031
i'm sure the epstein list is full of christian family man billionaires.

>>717092117
>dude I know you are a zoomer. blockbuster had a porn section when I was a kid.
i remember the curtain covered closet in the video rental store lol.

>>717075507
Yes. Really. Physical books.

>>717075541
Text, doujins, manga. Also not all of them were r18. Ecchi, and nonsexual comedy were affected.

>>717088647
Gates is not a jew
Bezos is not a jew
Thiel is not a jew
Musk is not a jew
We can go on and on, you're the one who needs to wake up, but you won't because having a boogeyman is a lot more convenient to you and your masters

>>717091770
You can just read it yourself, if you don't mind cracking open a book:
https://www.mandateforleadership.org/
If you refuse to take your eyes off a monitor, you can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025 while of course be mindful of the far-left orientation of the editors who control wikipedia.

>>717092087
why do you call them conservative if they love mass immigration?

>>717073890
Are you retarded? They did lie. They say they will remove being a payment processor because Valves games on the store violate their policy. One look at their policy, and you can see Valve did not violate their policy. Therefor, Mastercard is lying.

>>717079639
>Obscenity laws still exist on the books.

Then Mastercard would be banning all porn sites from it's payment processes. Obscenity laws in media are pretty much exclusively about public broadcasting also, not about selling private material to those 18+. Obscenity rules don't apply to TV based subscription services. Even shows like Game of Throes have incest based themes, yet a steam game with incest based themes can't be sold? Come on man, think a bit. Obscenity laws are meant to protect children from seeing shit out in the open like that.

>>717092198
Mine wasn't. it was a room around the corner. I remember getting in trouble for trying to peek around it.

>>717092156
I don't like to say it, but this is probably the best course of action. Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>717091204
>all newspapers now reporting on [thing that was there since obama and at best had a decline since] like it's the end of the world

>>717092117
Gas stations still had nudie magazines up to a couple years ago. Maybe like 2019? Pre-covid I remember seeing them on the high shelves in the magazine area, with a plastic cover that blocked the boobies, but you could still move the cover around to get a look at them. I remember being surprised because who the fuck buys physical paper porn? Though if the rumors are true and porn is getting scrubbed from the internet, maybe we'll start seeing more of it come back.

>>717074435
So payment processors are godfathers now, sending thugs to do their dirty jobs

>>717089693
Visa and MC absolutely could also have cleared up exactly WHO has been doing this, even if they don't reverse it themselves. They deserve the hit to reputation. for that alone.


I miss when JCB was in america.

>>717092156
>sue payment processor
>they ban you from their network even if you win
>business destroyed

>>717092156
There was literally nothing they could do, Anon. All of Steam would shut down if MasterCard and Visa stopped processing payments for them in retaliation for not following that new rule.
MasterCard and Visa would have said "Oh, you're not pulling that controversial content down, even though we told to you to? Too bad. We can't do business with you anymore. Go find someone else who's willing to process payments for you. We can't take that risk. *SNKHT*"

Valve did the only thing they could have done, take the games down, and make it clear who exactly was responsible, and that it was done under duress.

If they initiated a lawsuit, Steam would be inoperable for months, if not years, as MasterCard dragged it out. Steam would die, and Valve would die with it.
It would be survivable if it were just one payment processor or the other. Valve could take the hit if they could rely on Visa, and said "Sorry, we can't take MasterCard right now. Please use a Visa card, or another option." But since Visa is on the same bullshit, they had absolutely no choice at all.

>>717092413
Why wouldn't American conservatives love immigration? Immigration is an American tradition and the foundation of the country.

>>717092310
>Musk is not a jew
lol, lmao even, if they aren't jews themselves, they are the jew's dogs and they all swear servitude to them.

>>717092653
>Sue payment processor
>Anon writes imaginary fantasy about what he thinks they would do

>>717092156

Applying pressure to steam as well is 100% the right call.

There are ways to pay that circument credit cards. I rarely use credit card for online payment these days since it's impractical and insecure.

>>717073740 (OP)
>nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part
This alone applies to a huge number of violent vidya, movies, etc. which are sold en masse. They have a vague, blanket rule that punishes everything, but they enforce it selectively, to censor only what they wish to censor. It's about time somebody called them out for it.

>>717077938
I'm waiting to see if anyone is going to destroy a payment processor CEO's Minecraft server over one of these events.

>>717089890
...and if Visa and MC WANT to be the financial equivalent of disneycash, then someone else can and should step into the gap.

They're asking to be a proxy battlefield right now, and I hope they get what they asked for.

>>717092519
...The Artifact spammer was right in the end. We should have listened.

>>717086862
Boy you're stupid. Literally every single high ranking person in Bidens cabinet was jewish.

>>717092706
Nope, complete fantasy. They could have sued. This thing where filing a lawsuit gets your business banned from X payment processor is pure fiction at the end of the day. While litigation is happening generally you are also not allowed to just stop rendering your services, and if they did stop and Valve was in the right they'd also be on the hook for all the lost revenue.
Basically this scenario is all in your head, Valve's hands weren't actually tied, they just didn't want to put a few million down for a lawsuit. Companies have sued other companies before, including payment processors. None of what you're talking about actually happens.

>>717073740 (OP)
>the largest videogame service in the world
>a risk to the brand

how?

I distinctly remember content creators being banned from patreon due to complaints from payment processors. Some of which weren't even producing porn.

>>717092736
>I don't use a credit card
>I use gift cards
>which go through the same payment processors

>>717092156
I find it hilarious that MC cited their 2018 policy when valve themselves quickly abandoned it

>>717092706
Valve does $10 billion in business every year. You're telling me Discover or American Express wouldn't bend over backwards to work with them?

>>717092712
I'm not that anon but you're a dishonest faggot trying to play rhetorical games
You know that opposing mass immigration is a modern conservative position and you know why

>>717090214
It's a wishlist from the Heritage foundation for Mr T. It's unrelated to the Visa MC thing. Heritage is upset because the left has been using payment processor attacks to try to restrict gun sales. BUT the heritage fuckers are definitely related to US ISP porn bans, so don't let them off the hook. Followup to pol.

>>717089890
>mc is a private business and they can discriminate however they like

They can, but it must comply with their TOS, which this ban clearly doesn't. Visa/Mastercard must update their TOS to basically say "we can do whatever we want".

Valve has LOADS of money though, they should just create their own payment processor. I'm surprised they haven't yet honestly.

>>717092728
At the very least they would refuse to process payments until the lawsuit concluded which would be a massive amount of lost sales. And an even greater amount in lost market share. I'm gonna assume timmy tencent isn't shutting down his own storefront to stand on principal as steam goes through this legal battle for at least 2 years.

>>717092873
If you believed that you really are stupid. Overrepresented sure, but hardly every single one.

>>717092769
If someone was motivated enough, somone losing their gooning shit would be one. But I think they'll go on credit card machine smashing rampages first.

>>717092906
And I just want to hilight this post again and point out that it's COMPLETE FANTASY that lawsuits aren't possible and Valve couldn't do anything, it's all it is. I've seen this posted hundreds of times, and no, their hands weren't tied.
Corporations get sued all the time by other corporations. Payment processors and banks get sued. At no point does one get "delisted" and banned from anything if it's a sizable company, such retaliation is illegal and is generally not allowed while litigation is ongoing.

People are gonna make post after post saying how Valve could always do nothing and always has to do nothing when it simply isn't the case, they just didn't want the heat of a lawsuit.
>>717093240
>At the very least they would
They wouldn't, if they lost in this scenario they would be held responsible for all of the lost revenue, and the courts would put a stay on such action anyway. That's generally how it goes in such court cases. You don't get to retaliate against a company that's suing you.

>>717093228
It's very expensive to even begin the process and even then you are gonna have to rely on stripe which puts you back in the position you started at.

>>717093171
Just a post ago you were claiming that the largest most influential most hated by leftists conservative group in the country doesn't oppose immigration, and now you're claiming that opposing immigration is the only conservative position.
Which is it?

>>717093152
Discover and Amex are weaker, particularly internationally. But have we heard from them? They could make headway here if they were out front and openly courting steam.

>>717074049
>HOW DARE YOU POST A TAKE THAT MAKES FUN OF ME IN MY DARK HOLE!!!!!
Lol /pol/tards will constantly complain about crossposters who don't do free doorknocking like them and that they aren't the glowiest board on a spook honeypot and as if they aren't the single reason why Israel can still exist because they are an actual controlled opposition operation.

>>717093350
>would be held responsible for all of the lost revenue
cool, are they gonna make visa and mc create a time machine to regain the lost marketshare?

>>717093456
>>717093350
And all responses to said argument have been non-posts / non-arguments, complete fantasy, nothing.

>>717092906
Initiating a lawsuit would have meant MasterCard would stop doing business with Valve for the duration of the lawsuit, which would inevitably go on for fucking years, you retard. If they won, it would go back to normal, obviously. But Valve couldn't survive in the meantime. They'd have to just about stop selling games altogether, and they might even have trouble paying Akamai and their other partners for their services that keep the rest of Steam running, too. Steam would shut down completely for who knows how long. People would leave, Valve would have zero revenue, and run out of money incredibly quickly.

>>717093152
Discover and AMEX have almost no market share in comparison to Visa and MasterCard. And if push came to shove, they'd probably also side with MasterCard and stop processing payments, because they'd like to have that kind of power, too, and they like that MasterCard is strong arming Valve on their behalf, while they get to pretend to be neutral parties.
And in any case, Valve probably couldn't survive with just Discover, or just AMEX, or even both of them together, even if they weren't on board with MasterCard.

That said, if one or the other were to come out and say "We'll never fucking do this shit, we believe 100% in your right to purchase anything that's legal" Whether or not that was true, they'd pick up a fucking ton of market share right now.

And that also said. I wouldn't be surprised if all the credit card companies have dirt on each other that could lead to huge fines or even criminal charges for major figures, and their hands might be tied from acting out.

>>717093428
>I'm not that anon
learn to read faggot
And stop being a dishonest shitstain while you're at it, he was obviously saying that they're not actually conservative

>>717093589
So you are saying steam has nothing to lose and they are just choosing to do nothing because they liked getting fucked in the ass?

>>717093634
But they are actually conservative. That they don't meet your arbitrary litmus test on one specific issue shows that YOU'RE wrong about what's conservative, not that they're wrong.

>>717093698
>So are you saying thing I made up in my head?
Notice it's literally always this?

>>717093293
-Anthony Blinken, Secretary of State
-David Cohen, CIA Deputy Director
-Merrick Garland, Attorney General
-Avril Haines, Director of National Intelligence
-Ronald Klain, Chief of Staff
-Rachel Levine, deputy health secretary
-Eric Lander, Office of Science and Technology Policy director
-Alejandro Mayorkas, Secretary of Homeland Security
-Anne Neuberger, National Security Agency -cybersecurity director
Wendy Sherman, deputy secretary of state
-Janet Yellen, Treasury secretary

"Over represented"? It's like a 1000% over representation. Do you think MAYBE jews with jewish interests would be interested in protecting jewish interests first, idiot?

>>717093728
>establishment uniparty faggots that don't represent actual conservative positions
>"actually conservative"

>>717073740 (OP)
>non-consensual mutilation of a person or body part
As opposed of consensual mutilation? The fuck is this dumb shit?

>>717093632
Once again no actual arguments posted, payment processors get sued all of the time and none of these imaginary disaster scenarios ever happen - they get sued by much smaller actors under much worse circumstances, even.

>>717093632
I'm of the opinion visa and mc were tipped off by some politician that the government would begin prosecuting people using obscenity laws.

>Visa and Mastercard are invincible and you can't ever do anything to them!
Meanwhile they're regularly losing antitrust lawsuits saying that they must not impose excessive fees
https://adanews.ada.org/ada-news/2025/january/visa-and-mastercard-antitrust-settlement-what-small-businesses-need-to-know/

They're already regularly losing antittrust lawsuits about fees, now extend this to what content they allow / block. Already precedent.

>>717093812
>uniparty
The left is REEEEEing about them non-stop because they're pushing actually conservative policies. Like the one against porn that is part of what led to this. Or are you going to tell me that the Democratic wing of the 'uniparty' would also ban porn?

>>717093853
>they get sued by much smaller actors
No shit dumbass. The smaller you are the less you have to lose.

>>717094009
Visa is also being sued currently by the Justice Department, btw, for antitrust-related activity.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-visa-monopolizing-debit-markets
>>717094124
It's literally always meaningless non-arguments like this.

>>717089890
your argument makes no sense since master card and visa both said in their response they don't make any judgement about legal content and they will process all legal transactions.

>>717094019
>The left is REEEEEing about them non-stop because they're pushing actually conservative policies.
The left hating something doesn't make it conservative.
>Or are you going to tell me that the Democratic wing of the 'uniparty' would also ban porn?
Yes, establishment politicians are universally fuckwits who want to establish more control and will use any moral panic to achieve that
I can see why you resort to dishonest rhetoric, you're too dumb to understand

>>717093803
>-David Cohen, CIA Deputy Director
kek, just two entries in and you're posting the Deputy Director while leaving out the actual Director. Bill Burns, a Christian, was Biden's Director of the CIA. So much for 'Literally every single high ranking person in Bidens cabinet was jewish'. Brainlet status - confirmed.

>>717093853
It's never over matters of policy, but over matters of conduct. Or they're antitrust suits, where there's no individual entity to stop payments to. That the payment processor, or a codefendant were doing something improperly. Where the payment processor has broken the terms of the agreement on their end. For the processor to terminate service for the plaintiff would be like an admission of guilt.
With Valve disagreeing over a matter of policy, they can just say "They broke our rules, and we enforced our policy as written."

>>717094285
Ok, I'll bite. What organization is 'actually conservative'? What metric do you use to judge them? How much power do they have?

>>717094042
which company is the vagina

>>717094441
All of them, bureaucracy is inherently conservative.

>>717074435
They've used proxies to bully retailers for years.

>>717094379
>They can just say
And valve can "just say" that they're effectively a monopoly and have to allow them to run their business, and with ongoing litigation against them for being a monopoly it seems like they're a monopoly.
>Or they've got all of these special exceptions that I made up in my head
Also not an argument, no, you don't just get to say
>Lawsuits don't work because I said they don't
This is generally what everyone who is anti-lawsuit so far has said, they work, companies do them all the time, Valve, Visa, and Mastercard have legal departments made to do this specific thing.
>TOS and agreements
Also not an argument, but you will post it again 100 times and say that a TOS will be applicable in the court of law when they're constantly shot down.

>>717094214
>the government is suing them so it's safe to sue them as a private business that relies on their services to exist DX
Retard

>>717085241
>he doesn't realize conservatives only ever conserve the status quo, which in 2025 is gynocracy and man hate
Bless your heart

>>717094441
Irrelevant question. I'm not trawling around to look for examples. There is very little true conservatism at high levels of power and influence. There's not as much sincere leftism as you might think either

>>717093830
>The fuck is this dumb shit?

>>717074476
Finally, an end to stepshit in porn. Genuinely don't know why it became so popular in the first place.

>>717073740 (OP)
>and bestiality
>Baldur’s Gate 3 is still up
Someone should show the transformation scene to the payment processors.
Would be a shame if one of the most talked about games in years got banned.
:)

>>717094286
Sorry, jews are only 950% over represented.

>>717094578
>bureaucracy is inherently conservative
You're just spouting nonsense

>>717094750
>The government is suing them so it's safe to sue them
Yes. They're already facing antitrust suits from the government. It's literally always non-arguments. Not a single argument for why Valve couldn't just file a lawsuit.

>>717094869
More like by a single order of magnitude.
(Which is still a lot)

>>717094882
I'm not, read Weber.

>>717094850
Why would they ban woke games?

>>717094802
It is relevant. You can't just dismiss the largest most successful conservative organization as not conservative, and then refuse to say what is actually conservative.
You've called me dishonest repeatedly for disagreeing with you, but in the end it turns out you're the one full of bullshit.

>>717094704
Even if MasterCard would face penalties in the end, nothing would stop them from discontinuing service for Valve until the lawsuit resolved. Because Valve would have broken the terms of the agreement that they continually affirmed by continuing to do business. Whether or not those terms are eventually adjudicated as illegal in the first place. They wouldn't have to resume payments, or reimburse Valve for lost income until after a judgement was made. In the meantime, Steam would be non-functional and Valve would go bankrupt before MasterCard ran out of ways to stall the process.

>>717094974
Which book?

>>717095047
Conservatism is the preservation of traditional values and systems.

>>717093830
>

>>717094960
a single order of magnitude is a 1000% over representation, as I said.

This isn't even going into how the largest political donor group in America, is a jewish organization, who touts that 97% of the congress people they support, win.

>>717095075
>Valve would have broken the terms of the agreement and they would stop
And literally all of this is sidestepped by Valve removing the games, and then filing the lawsuit after. OOPS, find a new narrative.

>>717094786
>current status quo is highly left leaning
>but people in support of can semantically be said to be "conserving", therefore the people behind the radfem censorship garbage are conservatives
Do you faggots even listen to yourselves

>>717095103
Some summary, you'll get the gist.

>450 posts in
whatever, if you want to know why MC/VISA are going crazy over censorship its because theyre deathly afraid of government regulation. The patriot act effectively deputized payment processors so if another 9/11 happens and they processed the payment they are FUCKED. Same deal in other nations as well, they need to hyper police who buys what. For them its easier to just crush buisnesses who seem risky than it is to risk soccer moms going to the government and fucking up their infinite money generator.

>>717095186
>This isn't even going into how the largest political donor group in America, is a jewish organization
AARP is Jewish?

>>717094552
A Sweet Baby being pushed out.

>>717095136
Which the Heritage Foundation is successfully achieving.

>>717094850
VISA/Mastercard not having gone after any big developer/publisher and targeting small fry/indies only should tell you something.
The whole thing is less about nsfw and more about removing the ability of people to make money independently. They want devs/artists back in their wage cages, and women on onlyfans "verified" by agency-pimps who'll steal most of their earning.

I still and won't care about this credit card debacle.

>>717095047
You didn't ask for "what is actually conservative", you asked for conservative organizations and how much power they have, because you're still playing rhetorical games.
Whether this organization is conservative is not dependent on whether other organizations are conservative. You are trying to deflect.

>>717092310
I believe Thiel is very much a jew

>>717095362
I disagree, they are pushing new age Christian values rather then traditional American values.

>>717077707
This. If the US was under a sane administration we could at least expect the FTC to look at oligopoly business practices to unfairly restrict trade - they are a de-facto monopoly especially as 99% of banks and credit cards in the US use them. Unfortunately we're ruled by a criminal enterprise that will burn down the entire country to steal the copper out of the walls and anything else of value to billionaires, so maybe think about that next time. Unless you can convince them on a day they are particularly salty about it that
>HURRR WOKE DEI MEANS YOU CAN ONLY SELL GAMES WITH STRONG BLACK WAMAN PROTAGS
in Visa/MC's rules, the current admin isn't going to do a damn thing about censorship. They never cared, its only a problem when you're censoring them (or really just saying anything bad about them, regardless of censorship.) The only time Trump gave a shit about this was when he felt thew woke silicon valley tech bros were being heckin' mean to him and saying bad things, which was going to be deal with by cutting Section 230 which is exactly what leads to this problem but he didn't give two shits about it when it wasn't coming for him.

We need legislation to demand Net Neutrality for payments, but we can't even get these people on Net Neutrality itself, much less for money. Payment neutrality means if we're going to let private industries exist as payment processors (which we shouldn't in the first place but lets continue as a compromise) they need to just process the payment and not be concerned about what its for should it otherwise be legal. Though the real thing we need is an alternative - payment processors like Visa and Mastercard are a holdover from before the digital age and aren't needed now. Brazil has made
>Pix
and we can do at least as good if not better with a public utility (thereby not for profit), universal payment processor with no licensing requirements and minimal fees instead of profit-driven middlemen with branding

>>717095413
I sort of don't care either and it would even be funny if they lost, seeing as there's fierce opposition from so many to ever hold Valve in any way responsible for this at all.
It's all about MUH CREDIT CARD while ignoring the other half of the equation, so this exact thing will just happen a couple years down the line. You'll get to see all these same posts 2 years from now with zero changes.

>>717095136
Conservatism is and always has been about letting lefties move the needle further and further left year after year. None of you have any backbone and none of you actually stand for anything. Where are the conservatives speaking out in favor of arranged marriage, an actual traditional practice we had for thousands of years, for example?

>>717095201
The rule is so vague that MasterCard could claim that almost anything on Steam violates the rule. That's by design. It's contingent on MasterCard's definition of "sufficiently artistic." They could ding Valve for their own fucking games. I don't know how you're not understanding this. Valve had no other option that wouldn't seriously risk wrapping them up in a disaster that could bankrupt them. Their best option was to comply and make it clear they were doing so against their own beliefs.

they are not independent private actors
they are following the orders from above
its an organized campaign for more online censorship and control. you know because it happens at the same time in many countries

>>717095592
Not all things should be preserved

>>717093830
it means they can ban any violent content they dislike

>>717095275
AIPAC.

>"The American Israel Public Affairs Committee has become a fundraising juggernaut in recent years, raising more money for candidates than any similar organization this cycle as part of its mission to back candidates who support Israel."

>>717095592
I have no problem with arranged marriages, why would I

>>717095631
>The rule is so vague they could claim anything
>And that actually HELPS them in the court of law!
It does the opposite. You found your new narrative and it's shit.
>They had to comply otherwise they'd immediately be bankrupted
Their "complying" could have been just removing said porn games and then immediately filing a lawsuit. No, whatever fantasy you make up in your head isn't gonna happen and is just fantasy, they're not gonna say that Steam is actually entirely against their TOS. That's fantasy you've made up, and TOS's don't stand up in court for this exact reason, to the point where they wouldn't even try it.
New narrative. or you could keep trying to push this one - I know, I know, no businesses have ever filed lawsuits without immediately getting delisted from their bank and going bankrupt, it's just that you have to convince people of this instead of making up convenient scenarios in your head for why this is the case.

>>717095413
do you never get tired of posting bait commetns? you already said the same thing 7 hours ago >>717074307

>>717087040
This is a bipartisan issue dipshit.

>>717075713
It's gonna be a funny day on /v/ when Estonians come to America to Luigi a credit card CEO.

>>717095771
Political campaigning, involving or endorsed by a candidate or not, should be illegal. All candidates should be on the ballot with a summary of their goals/ideals and that's it.

>>717073948
You should hang yourself, pedophile.

>>717095592
>none of you actually stand for anything
but leftoids do? kek
all you do is wait for the establishment to direct you towards the next [Current Thing]
leftoids have never supported anything without establishment backing. you are literally their most loyal pawn.

>>717073890
>he still thinks a company decided to start 1984 internationally because of a random group of women

>>717096025
how antisemetic of you

>>717095592
>if you're not fighting for this one specific thing I brought up, you don't stand for anything
Does anyone ever fall for this anymore?

>>717095876
>why isn't valve fighting my battles
Is this your point?

>>717074049
Hello rabbi. You're attempt at dividing the movement through "conservatives or project 2025" while strong. You chose the faggiest and worst group to rally behind. Nobody is buying it

>>717095876
Like it's literally all just convenient nonsense arguments in their head for why hypothetically if mastercard / Visa did something highly illegal they would actually face zero consequences while steam would be INSTANTLY CRUSHED or whatever
>Even if they did comply with the orders they got they could still be banned for not complying!
>And they would instantly go bankrupt!
>Don't even try a lawsuit, it simply doesn't work!
>They couldn't, they would lose all their money!
Meanwhile they didn't try, they didn't do anything at all, Valve sat by and just let gamers do all the work, and then people made up stories in their head to justify said behavior. It's literally all stories they're making up of why lawsuits don't work and never had, which just shows it's absolute nonsense because lawsuits happen every single day, and many of them against banks and payment processors.
>>717096138
Look at this, it's literally all non-arguments. It's completely meaningless.

>>717096104
Meant to >>717073948

>>717089539
Revelation 3:15-16 is the closest I can think of on what he's saying but that's still a bit sketchy

>>717074307
you can just name the jew anon

>>717096201
Why risk it?

>>717096329
Because hypothetically they should be facing backlash too for this and should have shown some loyalty to their consumer base.
That's the entire point of my posts, that they should also face backlash so in the future they actually do stand up for their consumers somewhat. Why not actually read the thread instead of making meaningless non-posts like this?

GAMERS RISE UP.

>>717073740 (OP)
They are playing us for FOOLS
I say, fuck Mastercard and Visa!

>>717087721
>tourists still think the frog is talking in this picture

>>717075587
They back off and try again next year when they think nobody is looking anymore.

>>717095716
Well thanks for admitting you don't actually support any traditional beliefs and you're a phony larper

>>717096056
I'm not a lefty, election tourist

>>717096512
They messed with gamers. GAMERS!

>>717077427
Seeing pro and anti unite over the more important issue brings a tear to my eye.

>>717087721
This but the reverse. The kredit kard kompanies are going to get roped by zoomers and we will forever be freed of microtransactions.

>>717088620
>>717084461
>capital causes something
>it's the da jooz
every time. Go back to sucking orange cock you /pol/lack.

>>717096504
How are you so sure that what mc is doing isn't legal?

>>717096546
Hahahaha nice try tranny visa jew

>>717096512
>-5%
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
In the last 20 years they've grown their revenue 15x.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Inc.#Finance

>>717096557
I don't support every tradition, no.

>>717096504
>>717096329
>>717096201
Notice all of these posts, but never actually a single argument? It's always
>Valve has no responsibility for this
>And we shouldn't hold them responsible
>They shouldn't even risk it
>And if they risked it it would be immediately ruinous
Where do these people come from? Why worship a game selling site like this? There's simply no reason to actually ever defend Valve for delisting content, they should be facing just as much backlash as the credit card companies.

The credit card companies were pressured by activists and caved to them. Valve caved. They all caved and abandoned gamers. That's the reality of it, why just punish one link of the chain and say you can't do anything else?
>>717096769
No argument presented, waiting until 505 posts in the thread to post this, general antitrust laws say this is illegal.

>>717088537
>they continue to remain silent
Because who the fuck are YOU for them to say anything? They don't need to justify their actions. What the fuck are you gonna do, use bitcoin? People are too stupid for that

>>717088280
>drawings are illegal
This is how you know an amerimutt or third worlder is behind these defense forces because its been proven time & time again people with outlets dont commit actual atrocities

>>717095321
Nice

>>717096512
The whole market is down that much

>>717096970
Is it this, just third-worlders all around making these low-quality posts?
It seems like it, they're confused about extremely basic legal things in America.

>>717096895
What are you even arguing, your central argument seems to be that I have no argument. But what's your argument?

>>717095876
How are you not understanding what I'm saying?
MasterCard would be in the wrong, and they'd know they're in the wrong. They would abuse the legal system to ruin Valve before the lawsuit even concluded and a verdict could be reached. Which is what deters Valve from taking action.

Valve and MasterCard have an enforced CONTRACT, not simply a Terms of Service Agreement. That contract would hold up in court, and remain in force, at least until it was adjudicated to be unlawful. Valve would have to roll the dice as to whether or not the judge would put an injunction against the termination of service for Valve in place. They obviously don't want to take that risk, and even a couple weeks of zero service could be devastating. That's millions of dollars of lost revenue. I never said they'd terminate service even if Valve complied, I never said they'd go bankrupt immediately, it would probably take a year or more, but the lawsuit would go on much longer than that. Valve simply did not assume the risk, because they could not afford to. Their entire business would shut down if they couldn't pay people or receive payments themselves. And since ~100% of their business is digital, and done over the internet, they have no other recourse like a smaller, physically oriented business might have.

>>717096895
Valve shouldn't be held responsible for this because they've made it very clear that they only made this decision under duress, and they have no choice but to let the issue play out. And more than that, there's no guarantee that the court wouldn't find some reason to declare that what MasterCard has done is totally legal, as much as the letter of the law doesn't support that as written. They might say it's okay, because you can mail Valve cash in an envelope, or use a money order.

>>717097130
It's literally always posts like this, every single time, no actual argument. Whenever a point is made it's
>Huh? I don't understand, explain it to me again
And then another non-argument, then they somehow don't understand again.

>>717088280
you have to go back

>>717097230
>They would do X extremely illegal thing to win!
Odds of this happening are basically zero. That's a fantasy you've made up in your head at the end of the day.

>>717095983
>>717075713
Estonian Luigi goes hard

>>717097251
I guess I accept your concession

>>717089848
But those are the same thing...

>>717091934
Oh noooo, not my japanese scat porn

>>717095417
No, you're try to deflect from their incredible success by complaining that on one issue, they don't agree with you.
I'm gonna take successful conservatives word on what's conservative over some rando on the internet who can't even make his case.
>>717095456
What are new age Christian values? How are they different from age old Christian values?

>>717097928
>What are new age Christian values
nta but the pope is literally pro-gay, just doesn't want them marrying but he does want them sucking cocks and taking it up the ass. Seems a bit new age

>>717097230
THis anon has the right of it, unfortunately. Valve should absolutely be fighting this in other ways (such as making it clear to their users that games are being censored not by them but by bankers and payment processors, encourage them to fight back, and otherwise try to win the media and popularity war so that it can be leveraged into other changes etc) but the idea that even if they take Visa/MC to court it wouldn't end in anything but
>Well Valve, you signed up to accept Visa/MC and agreed to their terms of service, right?
>Well yeah but I didn't have any choice really
>But yeah well I still agreed
>And for decades you've profited from selling games and made a huge fortune being able to do so, accepting customers with Visa/MC?
>Yeah, but they still had bad policies under duress and only started pressing them harder recently
>Well, you're free to back out any time, but you don't want to do that because they're integral to your business, so you want to break their TOS updates and still accept their contract
>We don't think its fair and...
>Motion for the defendant. If you think its shitty you can leave. If you break their rules they can kick you off.
and that is that. Unless it becomes a suit specifically against the "duress" itself which if it gets to a higher court you better hope no Federalist / John Birch society judges sit and even that if it gets to the Supreme will decide for the megacorp. The alternative path would be CFPB and FTC which are both in the hands of foxes as they plunder the henhouse since this administration (and yes there is a fucking difference. Last admin's commissioners both scared the FUCK out of corpos) so a low chance there that huge contributors Visa/MC will ever be pushed against in something like this.

So Valve has to be smart about this because right now if they lost the ability to take Visa/MC related payments, it would be a disaster. They need to fight, but a simple suit won't work.

>>717095716
Stop Killing Games disagrees

>>717088980
>There is literally only one problem here and it's the fact that payment processors are allowed to act the way they do. This is the root of the problem.
I have a vaccine to sell you.
People like you are the problem. Always need a fucking scientific paper to have an opinion.

>>717095771
>this cycle
AARP still reigns Supreme, that was just a hiccup.
>>717095983
No Francis, don't do it!

>>717073740 (OP)
Maybe the guys assassinating CEOs and middlemen were in the right after all.

>>717093830
>Have every character shout "I CONSENT TO THIS" right before their brain gets blown out by a shotgun
Easy. Your move, credit card jew

>>717096235
Based Bible reader

>>717092310
>these jews and cryptojews shabboy goyim are not jews actually
Actual retard.

>>717098413
Correct, they're not Jews, except maybe Theil

>>717073890
If you intentionally say something to mislead a reasonable person, you are lying.

>>717073948
Credit cards have been doing shit like this long before any feminist hags in Australia started whining.

>>717077008
>How does Mastercard determine what's art what's not?
Mastercard just asks itself, "Is the entity I'm trying to censor rich enough to sue me?". That's it.
>Why not go after the real life porn industry which dabbles in human trafficking?
They already did and the porn industry has bent the knee. VISA and Mastercard are in effect the regulators of all porn on the internet today.

>>717098559
Do you know what a shabbos goy is? All those people have a pedigree and their families have deep ties to jews and the elite.
Go back to plebbit, bluepilled cuck.