Thread 717074018

Thoughts?

>>717074018 (OP)
Why are they still flipping assets when they make huge profits?

fromsoft's logo alone makes normies scream and piss their pants

>>717074064
>Make a other animation for opening doors
>Just do it okay, you are making a lot money

>>717074018 (OP)
I know jack shit about finances so those numbers mean nothing to me. How much money did they earn? 158m, 68m, 69m or 176m?

The industry will never recover from this level of stagnation.
Call of duty ruined FPS games
Fromsoft ruined Action games
Unreal engine 5 ruined game engines

>>717074018 (OP)
that's it?
toby fox made more and he doesn't have to pay any employees

>>717074018 (OP)
>>717074064
>it's another "OP replies to himself to bait (you)s and post it on twitter"-thread

>>717074018 (OP)
its honestly genius. no need to innovate. just make more souls games. roll hit roll hit roll and level vitality

>>717074018 (OP)
who takes that money tho and why should I care?

>>717074159
$44.5 million yearly profit
It's decent. About a quarter of the profits Capcom or Square Enix made.

>>717074310
Shareholders. Fromsoft pays its employees minimum wage.

>>717074463
>Shareholders
yes who?
employees don't get the stock bonus things?

How does the "actually games need to cost $80 and be filled to the brim with predatory monetization or they can't be sustainable" crowd explain this?

>>717074018 (OP)
They're rollslopping in money

>>717074064
Why wouldn't they? Fucking retard

>>717075112
>implying next souls won't cost $80

what is miyazaki working on now?

>>717076075
The Duskbloods and an unannounced game with the codename "FMC", both aiming for 2026

>>717076075
I hope it's pirate souls.

>>717076075
Elden Ring 2 :^)

>>717074018 (OP)
it's over for from software. they're making soulless corporate slop now. yes, elden ring is soulless corporate slop (see: quantity over quality). nightreign was the final nail in the coffin. it's really a shame.

now we'll do the good old song and dance of the veteran talent leaving the company, forming their own team and company, and the cycle repeats.

so next good "fromsoft game" in 5-8 years

>>717074207
>stagnation
Lol little bro, don't cut yourself on that edge.
Games are for fun, if players are still enjoying them there is no stagnation.
that's like saying pepperoni pizza or chess have stagnated.
Yep, that's how dumb you are, KEK

>>717077381
They're going to drop their next single-player masterpiece less than 12 months from now.

>>717077416
Duskbloods? Yeah bro it looks awes- oh wait.
I actually forgot that piece of shit. It's SO over lmfao

>>717077476
Project FMC

Profit would be higher if they focused on their main product aka souls games instead of mechaslop.

>>717074064
Because one expensive flop could erase years of profit.

>>717077416
>Switch 2 exclusive
>multiplayer as a core gameplay pillar
nigga you trippin, it's going to be the most panned from game of the decade, if not all time.

>>717074018 (OP)
So only about 100m in profits laying around. Not really enough to do a meaningful expansion of the studio. Maybe they should just transition to a modern engine and start making PS5 gen games

>>717074018 (OP)
Waiting for the moment they get bought out. Everyone thought Sony was going to finally buy them out when there was all those rumors and then those cucks only bought 10% shares or some shit kek. I bet Tencent buys the company outright before next year is even over.

>>717077404
>stagnation
Is not an edgy word, what fucking planet are you from, or are you a bot?

>>717077578
I'm talking about project FMC.
Also, if Nightreign is anything to go by, people will like The Duskbloods.

>>717077597
They added like 250 new staff members since 2022

>>717074064
So they can release more than 1 game in 5 years.

>>717074115
well they are the best developers in existence.

>>717077629
It's Switch game so automatically shit. No one should buy it.

>>717076075
Metal Wolf Chaos Zero

>>717077618
nta but he’s right. calling things stagnant cause you don’t like it is fucking stupid.
are you going to claim that waking up every morning and taking a nice walk by the beach gets stagnant? cause thats what fromsoft games are, a nice beach stroll while eating a peperoni pizza slice.

>>717074018 (OP)
How do these profits affect me?

>>717074374
Yet they are now above these two in terms of quality games and gamer hype. Most certainly they are above Square Enix.

>>717077715
Really hope we get another Armored Core game. I only played AC6 but I am a fan now that game was great.

>>717077937
It doesnt

>>717077947
fucking hilarious how a Fromsoft game was the main and biggest reveal on a Nintendo console launch showcase.
Miyazaki san won.

>>717078030
Then why should I care?

>>717078060
you are here just for (you)s then? well have another then you nigger.

>>717078120
No, I'm trying to say that OPs question is stupid and useless. And on the same level as teenage girl gossip.

>>717074018 (OP)
Discord trannies on suicide watch.

>>717077879
>stagnant cause you don’t like it
who are you even quoting?
stagnation is lack of change or development, fromsoft has been re-releasing demons souls for a decade.
literal stagnation, and every soulslike is that.

>>717074018 (OP)
That's a fine profit, not that insane desu.

>>717074374
Yeah with like 1/10 of the costs of Capcom and SEnix LMAO.

>>717074064
They are making huge profits because they are flipping assets.

I hope they make a game like Sekiro but you play as Ironeye. Archery was finally made good in Nightreign and I can't get enough of it.

Not surprised since retards keep buying the same shit for the same price.

>>717078256
profit is profit

>>717074207
They have diverse games.
Cope, seethe, dilate.

>>717078209
Elden Ring is their best game as of yet and the culmination of all they learned through the years.
Nightreign is online co op and its gameplay has never been done before.
Armorer Core 6 was also not long ago and there is literally nothing like its gameplay out there.
how much innovation you want from fromsoft? doubt they will be able to accomplish anything which will make you less of a miserable disingenuous nigger faggot.

>>717076075
He said an abstract fantasy game.

>>717078416
hey Fromsoft are the best.

>>717077578
>>717077381
>>717077476
FS probably has 4 games in the making at the moment. People have been saying that shit for a decade now and it never became true.
Yawn.

>>717078060
I don't know. You tell me. I'm here out of curiosity.

>>717078487
And before that there was Sekiro which also was a big hit and nothing, absolutely nothing plays or feels like it out there.

>>717078486
true they have body types, niggers and disfigured mutts

>>717078462
Bad business is bad business. One will last, the other won't. Guess which.

>>717078175
People like talking about performance of companies the same way people like talking about sports teams. Neither affect your life but they're still interesting and fun to talk about.

>>717078675
They only have body types of the three, you lying nigger.

>>717078487
It's all derivative slop, and it set the example that you can succeed with copy pasting, something call of duty and fifa managed to do with their genres.

They copied Ubisoft's and EA's business formula and ran with it.

>>717074018 (OP)
my thoughts are that you retarded wannabe shareholders obsessed with sales should fuck off to /biz/ and die

>>717074064
because in modern day its marketing over quality

>>717078784
>pokemon
>call of duty
>assasin's creed
>souls games
>fifa
gamers will buy the same game every year and complain about the state of the industry

>>717078784
well I’ll take more Fromslop then.
best slop around thats for sure. disagree? name a better slop.

>>717078889
>normies ruined the games industry
>gamers complain about it
2 different groups of people
and heres >>717078913 example A, a normie.

How long will the new Everdark stay available?

>>717078994
hey Fromsoft are the best, doubt that your gaslighting will change that fact or my opinion.

Why do idiots consoom this slop? They're not even good games to begin with.

>>717079040
The best at copy pasting for sure.

>>717078889
>>pokemon
Creature capture games are fun
>>call of duty
Shooting games fun
>>assasin's creed
>>souls games
Third person action games are fun
>>fifa
Sports games are fun

What exactly do you want? Have you considered that there is nothing new to do in the medium? All that's left is to take proven genres and work within them. If you're in your 30s or older you've probably played every game that will ever exist.

I miss it when beat em ups and action games were the standards. I took the 2000s for granted.

>>717074115
Are you implying that Fromslop isn't normiecore? From games are extreme reddit and normalfag-tier since DS1 PTD
>Le git gud meme xDD

>>717079167
are you implying normies can’t enjoy good things?
thet like Fromsoft after all and Fromsoft are the best, even /v loves them, I love them!

>>717078889
I'm not complaining about the state of pokemon or souls, in fact I love them because unlike you I play them and know they're good.
Never ganna play the rest regardless.

>>717074018 (OP)
Is that why they stopped putting their games on sale after the success of Sekiro?

>>717079231
If you like a game, then it gets popular, you have to stop liking it. ||That's unironically how some retards here think.||

Third world slop eaters are all going out on this today, huh.

>>717079325
thats crazy.
they should stop breathing since breathing is a very normie thing to do.
have you ever met a normie who does not inhale and exhale air? neither have I.

>>717079335
me me me.
I live in a nation not allied with USA policies and I love Fromsoft.
they are the best after all.

>>717077715
Many japan companies can too.

>>717078728
>Neither affect your life
What is betting?

>>717079819
this.
I have 20 bucks on Miyazaki san’s (Lord bless his soul) next masterpiece making tranny nigger faggots on here seethe and cry and whine and piss and shid their skirts for at least another half decade.

Fortnite is more challenging and fun than their games difference is that Epic doesn't charge you full price to play it for the same experience each year.

>>717079934
Might as well already consider yourself 20 bucks richer.

>>717079819
People who don't bet still care about and discuss sports.

>>717079937
some people like learning bosses for hours and get excited about doing it all over with copy pasted bosses for 60$. to each their own i guess.

>>717080118
Sure, but it's mostly going out to socialize and get drunk for most people, or even if you're watching at home at the TV, it's usually you drinking whilst watching. And even then, you're usually interested in the performance of the atheletes and all the other details of the game.
Here it's just "here's the anual company numbers".
Even sports fans don't discuss how much their favorite clubs/teams make annually, unless it's something like them being on the brink of bankruptcy.

they need to make a mobile gacha souls game where you collect waifus.

>>717080132
>some people
but I thought fromslop was normie tier.
“some people” kinda emphasizes that its a niche series.
well which is it?

>>717079934
>Miyazaki san’s (Lord bless his soul) next masterpiece making tranny nigger faggots
I read it as next souls having trans blacks homosexuals

>>717080246
This but the waifus are generation 4 Armored Cores.

>>717080297
>well which is it?
Whichever suits his current argument.

>>717074064
>>717074207
>>717075282
>>717077381
>>717078416
remember when ninturdo spent 6 years to release the exact same ubislop again, and they still delayed it because they knew it couldn't measure up to Elden Ring?
don't worry, you'll be reminded soon enough

>>717078487
Elden Ring is bloatcore. You have to be terminally unemployed to think that's their best game

>>717080297
once games get popular enough you get a bunch of people that start playing it simply because it's cool to play it.
so yeah, it's both normie tier and "some people".

When is someone gonna mix Elden Ring with Zelda-esque dungeons, items, puzzles, and story? Seems like the most obvious shit on the fucking planet. Imagine Twilight Princess + Elden Ring. That would be a great game

>>717080389
all modern Fromsoft games are great, and Elden Ring most definitely is the culmination of all they have learned from their previous games.

>>717080470
>Zelda puzzles
Lmao

>>717080394
so youre saying its cool to play Fromsoft games. couldn’t agree more.

>>717074018 (OP)
why would i give a fuck?

>>717074115
My favourite was still the Armored Core reveal where everyone whooped and clapped for the logo and it abruptly stopped when it turned out to be AC

>>717077578
>if not all time
You genuinely spend too much time on /v/ if you think duskbloods is going to be one of the biggest flops of all video games that will rival duke nukem forever, the TORtanic, concord, ect.
At worst it's going to be an okayish pvp game with middling reviews, held back by nintendos shitty netcode and it'll be forgotten about while from rakes in money from their other projects
most people outside of /v/ don't see everything they mildly dislike as one of the worst things of all time, generally.

>>717080389
says a lot about the state of the entire videogame industry when almost everything else gets mogged by bloatcore

>>717080561
yeah apparently dodge rolling at the right time makes you skilled at games or something.

>>717080628
right, I am getting a switch 2 just for that game and so is my cousin.
Duskbloods was the main and biggest reveal on a Nintendo console reveal showcase. to think its not massively hyped and waited for is being a delusional faggot.

>>717074374
Kinda crazy how there are gacha games that make that much or more in a month. Gacha really needs to be regulated. It's late stage capitalism at its worst.

>>717080470
Would you like rollslop in a Zelda game though? There are other combat systems you know.

>>717080545
what, you don't want to lose sleep over figuring out which peg goes into the square-shaped hole?
>>717080672
it's like you trannies have forgotten what it's like to play videogames because you find them fun

>>717080672
who are you quoting lil bro? Fromsoft games are simple and fun, dont need to
feel intimidated.

>>717080470
I wanted the zelda formula to change, but not the way it has. I wanted deeper combat and more rewarding exploration, more interesting narratives and a tone that isn't trying to be edgy but isn't afraid to get grim and oppressive when it needs to be. Twilight Princess + Elden Ring genuinely would be one of my ideal games.
But that's not gonna happen until someone born 3 years ago is age 30 and makes it a reality because nintendo is just going to re-release BOTW for the next hundred years

>>717074018 (OP)
elden ring made over 2 billion dollars and they've only made 100 million profit since its release?

>>717080883
>Twilight Princess + Elden Ring genuinely would be one of my ideal games.
Based, someone gets the vision.

>>717080782
The combat tweaked a bit. I think ER's combat is good but can use a few very obvious improvments.

>>717080545
What's wrong with Zelda puzzles?

>>717080883
>I wanted the zelda formula to change, but not the way it has.
botw is garbage unfortunatly

>>717074018 (OP)
Well, hopefully they'll start making good games soon

>>717080883
>Twilight Princess + Elden Ring genuinely would be one of my ideal games.
What the hell does that even mean? You want Zelda to copy fromsoft of all companies? They're so lazy

>>717081180
You know all those "dungeons" in ER where you just run through waves of enemies and fight a boss? How about instead you have real dungeons like the Water Temple.

>>717081180
I said what I mean in my post, I would like a zelda game with more in depth combat and mechanics and a richer world. I wouldn't want 1 to 1 elden ring combat in zelda or anything, but there's a lot of good ideas that could be taken.
Nintendo is out of good ideas, the best they can do is copy other companies now

>>717081180
>>717081273
SotE (DLC made in less than 3 years) has more unique content than sharts of the troondom (ubislop that took 6 years to make)

>>717081306
uh oh, the nintendog is having a metlie

>>717081273
>Water temple with elden ring combat
Okay, I unironically see the vision now. I want to explore the forest temple with my Storm Assault Dragoon build.

>>717074121
You say this but they actually do remake the animations every time lmao

>>717081180
They pretty much did with BOTW and TOTK.
Unfortunately the latter didn't copy enough of them and they went in another direction, thus it ending up being a mediocre game.

>>717081306
From lore masters... how do we respond?

>>717081374
Right, you have your build and all the classic tropes of a Zelda dungeon are present. Like a quarter way through you find the new item. And you need that item to solve puzzles and beat the boss at the end. And that item also enables you traverse new areas of the world.

Elden Ring by Miyazaki
>Took 10 trillion years to make
>Took infinite money to develop
>No one plays it
>Barely sold 30mil after son long
Nightreign by literally who
>Took 2 days to make
>Took $0 to develop
>Everyone plays it for some reason even though it doesn't have any reward for playing like most roguelites nowadays
>Casually sold 5mil in no time

Do you think that Miyzaki is starting to get concerned about his servants overthrowing him?

>>717081501
you are so unbelievably dumb

>>717081501
no kang rulez 4ever

>>717081568
This. Smile because it happened not cry because its gone.

>>717081501
I know this is a shitpost, but miyazaki is probably unironically proud and intending for this. He started as a no name grunt and sort of lucked out into getting to direct an armoured core game, he was trusted enough to not fuck up whatever he's given to him, so he receives a fucked up tech demo that he wrangles into demon's souls.
He's getting old and he's already made his mark, I get the impression he's giving others the same chances he was given and hoping he'll leave a legacy.
I'm not trying to suck this guys dick too much or anything, he's a japanese businessman so he has to have some nasty fucking demons in his closet, but this checks out to me

>>717080512
It has some ofnthe worst bossfights because of terrible terrain.
And i rather have quality over quantity.
Every DS game moga ER

>>717081501
Miyazaki has Tencent backing him

>>717080562
You replied you cared

>>717081664
I am willing to be that if there is anyone out there entitled to throw bricks at glass houses, that would be Miyazaki san.
the man never hurt a fly, he is as pristine and pure as a cherub.

>>717081696
>>717081736
>retarded turd worlder is also a phoneposter
lmao no wonder you worship nintendo, cattloid

>>717081801
shut the fuck up already

>>717076075
nothing, I believe his new role is to wait for the developers to make a dark souls so he can check it, give his approval and get money
Then he will appear on interviews and say some bullshit like "oh yeah I wanted to innovate on this new game so I took inspiration on many sources and trending games"

>>717080394
This js the reason why ER is popular.
Every improvement was done in their other games and the only thing ER added was an open world which is easily considered the worst part of the game.

>>717081778
I hope you're right, I just assume he has something fucked up going on behind the scenes to protect myself

>>717081828
what? widdle baby can't handle banter?
no wonder you're called nint*ddlers

>>717081935
are you implying hes in the epstein list?
nooo not micheal zaki!

>>717077404
Every fromslop kek jerks off miyazakis creativity when in truth its just him copying his same ideas over and over.
Also ots kind a hypocritic to shit on literally every other triple A studio because they dk the same mid shit but fromslop is allowed to do it cause your favourite ytber said they are making creative masterpieces

I giess activision is a masterpice company since they revolutionized ego shooters for half a decade with modern warfare.

>>717081946
god damn you are so fucking dumb

>>717074018 (OP)
>you could run from software for 3 years with a single concord

>>717077879
No one would want to shower if they didnt need to do that.
Lol pick a better example

>>717076075
4chan Souls. Guess which board is the last boss.

>>717082025
>>717082074
>>717082089
Next zelda is gonna be a soulslike
and you will be thankful

>>717078887
There wasn't all that much marketing for NR, though? And people genuinely enjoy the game so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

>>717082009
Nah, more of the standard of japanese businessmen which is to be cutthroat motherfuckers who grind down everyone underneath them with power tripping abusive behavior, ungodly and unreasonable hours and work days and terrible pay.
Fromsoft has a good track record of that recently, with miyazaki saying he would rather have less money than lay off his workers and the workers get their pay consistently raised, I'm just a bleeding heart about that sort of thing and worry that it's not as cool as it seems

>>717082168
TOTK was a success so no it wont.
And souls combat is stagnating and dull.

>>717077629
Nigga its a console exclusive non nintendo game and the second multiplayer game while nightreign exists.
It will be irrelevant.

>>717082215
>stagnating
dont think you know what that word
means bro. if it were truly stagnating then we would not be seeing all these endless mass produced unreal engine soul like slops made by chinks, gooks and western faggots.

Fromsoftware games are only successfull because of their name and not because the game does anything good.
Look at activision or EA who just spam the same game for years.
If they have fans who back them up then why should you listen to them and think
Fromslop is any different

>>717082362
>Says we get endless soulslike slop
>Somehow not stagnating
Nigga they dont copy souls game cause its a creative masterpiece.
They copy it for the money.

>>717081093
One of the most beloved zelda is garbage cause fromcuck hates competition

>>717082452
It makes money because is not stagnating, moron

>>717082452
oh, then explain why exactly Fromsofts souls formula generates so much money.

>>717079065
Cause people dont meseaure games by being good but how the public views the devs.
Fromsoft is seen as the good guys so people will defend even the biggest garbage they produce

>>717082513
its beloved by people who dont like zelda

>>717082568
there is absolutely zero reasons to hate Fromsoft. not enjoying their games is one thing, but to actively call it trash with no redeeming quality is just mental illness.

>>717082554
Fifa also makes money and its stagnating.
People buy shit cause they heard its played.
Not because its actually good.

>>717082567 read
>>717082568

Demon souls and dark souls where the only creative games they made.
Word of mouth spread and from that pount on people buyed everything they made cause "its fromsoft so it must be good".

>>717081837
Yeah he's like the Gabe Newell of the company now. Dude gives credit to his juniors and all, but at the end of the day, he's the one people focus on because the man has become a household name at this point.

>>717074018 (OP)
none

>>717082671
None of their newer games brought back anything new to the gaming industry.
Around bloodborne or DS3 is the time where its just the same game sold over and over.

>>717081736
seems like miyazaki is into fps games?

>>717074064
because that's how you make huge profits

>>717082165
/a/

>>717081801
What kind of boogeyman is this? Nintendo is basically Japan Tencent.

>>717082767
why is Fromsoft the only developer in which you faggots except them tomre invent the wheel every time? and in many ways they still do.
there are absolutely zero games which play like their Souls game, or Sekiro or AC6 or Nightreign. NONE.
yet what we do have is countless shit devs copying sekiro since its release or AC6 since its release or Elden Ring since its release.
Fromsoft are simple the Kings, now bow and show Miyazaki san some respect.

Fromsoft is like gamefreak in the ds era
They spam the same game people defend it and a couple years later they regret letting gamefreak do the same boring gme over and over.

>>717083017
>Why is fromsoft the only game developer you want to invent the wheel new
Why is fromsoft the only developer you call creative when they do the same shit over?

I want the next FromSoftware game to let me play as a hot Chinese girl... OH WAIT

>>717083017
People call out asset-flips every time. From is the one getting away with it if anything.

sad

>Recolour enemies
>Treat it as new bosses and enemies
ER is as new as an snes game

>>717083291
would you rather Fromsoft started using unreal engine and unreal engine asset store assets?
I am sure you would, nigger.

>>717083380
>BUT THEY CLULD HAVE USED UNREAL ENGINE
Nigga who cares about that engine?

>>717077715
>deracine
Wtf ps4 has games?

>>717083380
All that UE slander coming from people who never touched engines.
I swear they just thrive in the krueger effect

>>717083380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atFn2E1anrg

Yes

>>717074018 (OP)
'profit' is meaningless jewspeak. It's just what is left after paying yourself as much as possible. That's how non-profits exist.

>>717083132
Nobody wants creativity. Go back to being creative with your genitals. All players have ever wanted is the same game with a new setting and levels.

>>717083871
>Cant bring upnarguments anymore
>"W-We always wanted the same shit."
And a few minutes later we see you watching a yt essay about how games have lost creativity these saya

>>717074064
But enough about Gamefreak

>>717083132
>why you only call Fromsoft creative
wtf you going on about you dumb faggot? where did I say that? there are plenty of other developers I also think are great and have fantastic games.

>>717083543
>It'll be a 4070ti+180GB+taxes
And it will run at 30fps. What a deal? L!

>>717083158
>muh asset flip
is there a single developers out there which dont re use their own in house creates assets? a practice as old as vidya itself btw.

Westoidbros... we aren't able to make a new perfect dark or bioshock in 6 years... we even had to cancel a bioshock remake...

It's not fair!!

>>717084428
western vidya industry nowadays is nothing but a massive dei money laundry scheme.

>>717084321
Their is doing it a little.
And doing an entire game about it

>>717084321
You guys are so dishonest. It's about how much was reused.
Also unironically Genshin has 0 assets from previous games of the studio. So yeah many developers don't reuse assets if they are not releasing same games.

>>717074018 (OP)
The most popular Fortnite creator makes more money than From Software.

>>717074064
Would you rather have them join the Rockstars or Bethesdas or Ubisofts that only release one game every 5-10 years now? Remember, around 2010 companies used to release games every year or two.
>>717084428
Holy shit turns out making good games, scratch that, MAKING GAMES AT ALL kinda makes videogame developers profit, what a revelation!

>>717085146
>release one game every 5-10 years
yes, i'll take one baldur's gate 3 over 5 pokemon games, thank you.

Which games let you manage a company and have a more or less detailed balance sheet? The only one I know of is A-Train.
As far as I know, Capitalism Lab doesn't focus on that aspect. Does anyone have any suggestions?

>>717082170
>There wasn't all that much marketing for NR, though?
yes there was

>>717076075
Dark Souls 2 2 2

>>717076075
armored core 6 2

>>717081501
Miyazaki was the one who greenlit the whole thing. He probably saw the vision behind it right away since he worked with the guy for some time now. And you know what, if Miyazaki successfully passes his directorial responsibilities on his trusted colleagues then he would accomplish what Kojima never managed to do despite attempting.

>>717085417
I'll just stick with how it was back then and take 5 baldurs gate 3s in 5 years, there just wasn't as much of a fuzz back then over it because gaming wasn't a multi-trillion dollar industry yet.

>>717080771
Late stage capitalism is the markets being all virtually cornered and policy being dictated by corporations. So yeah, we're pretty much there, but that has nothing to do with gambling addicts wasting money on pngs.

>>717086390
Miyazaki is never making AC again. In fact he probably won't ever make a sequel after DS3