>makes comp chuddies SHIT PISS AND CUM themsleves from rage in ur path

>>717080586 (OP)
Sorry, wrong board! I meant to post this on >>>/vp/

>>717080705
Too late. Now you WILL discuss this matter right here or else i'll be really mad, and you don't want to know how it is when i get mad...

>makes smogfags piss and shit themselves

He wouldn't even be bad today.

Fossil abominations were the only good idea to come out of gen 8

>>717080586 (OP)
Is this a Pokemon design kek what absolute shit

>>717080586 (OP)
>defending this ugly design just because people didn't like that it oneshotted everything and made using Seismitoad basically mandatory

>>717081970
Yeah lmao it’s from Gen 8 - they basically fused the wrong fossil parts together after a bad night of snorting Dynamax dust. It looks like someone slapped a fish tail on a broken heat lamp and expected kids to be hyped. Peak Game Freak insanity.

>>717080586 (OP)
Looks like somebody fused that one half life monster fish and undead dragon butt from dark souls

>>717080586 (OP)
>competitive strength makes smoggies mad
>furshitters complain about it not fulfilling their dinosaur bestiality desires
>muh fossilmon be rock type makes patternfags mad
>people are still crying about not getting the "original" fossil versions
>featured prominently screaming in the anime
>gets to be on Ash's winning masters team, a feat beyond Charizard and Greninja
>cool design basis and execution
>look at him
What a based mon.

he cute

there is no way this is a pokemon design lmao get the fuck out of here

>>717087142
idk, this looks unique and fine to me

I strongly believe that this abomination's creators, both in the Pokemon universe and in our own, should be punished for their crimes against nature

>>717087142
It's a fossil pokenon that was brought back incorrectly so it's a fusion of 2 seperate parts and not the whole.
All the Gen 8 fossil pokemon are abominations like this because of that region's inept ability to bring them back.

>>717080586 (OP)
I must be a moralfag, because the concept of this thing makes me sad.

>>717080586 (OP)
What was his name again?

>>717087710
I like how the fossil scientists agree it's a mistake but they never fix it

>>717087710
I always feel bad for Arctovish because its head is on upside down and it struggles to eat because of it, imagine the poor soul that wakes up as that in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon

>>717080586 (OP)
The best pokemon design ever made.

>>717080705
You will never be a janny

>>717087710
Wait so they're just making random chimeric abominations and then just letting them continue to live?

I mean the dog fighting analogy is one thing but fuck me that's a bit much.

>>717088072
And they're fully aware of this at that? Holy fuck they even gave one to fucking Ash in the anime too what the fuck does the episode where he gets it mention that it's a fucking abomination in the eyes of Arceus?

in all fairness gen 9 kind of proved that smogon's vision for the game is increasingly incompatible with how game freak want the game to be
gen 9 introduced no less than two dozen face smashers who will all decimate an entire team in singles if they do not have two incredibly reliable hard counters at any one time that are both available and healthy

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex in Rain: 283-334 (93 - 109.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

>>717089712
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Tera Water Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 211-249 (59.9 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

BEHOLD

>>717090640
pokemon drank too deeply from the cauldron of irony and now makes every design look bad on purpose because a complete lack of sincerity defends itself from any criticism

>>717089608
To be fair, that's the case with plenty of multiplayer PvP stuff. What the "meta" wants rarely ever coincides with what the company wants.

>>717080586 (OP)
I still remember the discussion when those were new
>eeewwww they look like shit!
>uuummm chud? you do realize they're based on the real phenomenon of chimera fossils right? how can you hate them when the CONCEPT is so hecking unique and creative?!
>i don't care they look shit and their lore is fucked up i want normal fossils now!

>breaks the game

>>717089493
It's kind of like Mega Evolution. Here's a fun one

>Mega Tyranitar
>Ultra Sun: Due to the colossal power poured into it, this Pokémon's back split right open. Its destructive instincts are the only thing keeping it moving.
>Ultra Moon: The effects of Mega Evolution make it more ferocious than ever. It's unclear whether it can even hear its Trainer's orders.

Mega Evolving Tyranitar rips open its back. It's in constant screaming pain that it can only cope with by being so angry that it's too focused on tearing shit apart to understand the horror that's happening to it. And like half of Mega Evolutions are like this. Everyone treats Mega Evolution like some power of friendship power up when in reality it's a horrific mutation forced on living creatures via an alien mineral.

>>717081212
These ones are one of my favorites..if i had a female one id pick it up and fuck it like a flashlight..I bet it feels really bouncy and soft

>>717091425
To be fair, the counter play against this and Baton Pass is so specific that the game as a whole is made less fun by them existing.

>lol you killed my Pokemon. Get ready to watch yours die unless it's a ghost or flying type

>>717090640
The only thing wrong with dudunsparce is that they didn't go far enough with it and make it possible to go up to 20+ segments.

>>717091574
So we're just making half Megalodon-T-rex abominations and not immediately euthanizing them with a bullet upon realizing the horror of what we've done and forcing living creatures to undergo painful and horrific mutations all for the sake of... cock fights?

Do any of the fucking games address any of the ethical implications of any of this?

>>717091574
Mega Garchomp
Sun: Excess energy melted its arms and wings, transforming them into giant scythes.
Moon: Its vaunted wings become scythes, sending it mad with rage. It swings its scythes wildly and slices the ground to pieces.
Ultra Sun: Its arms and wings melted into something like scythes. Mad with rage, it rampages on and on.
Ultra Moon: Its disposition is more vicious than before its Mega Evolution. Garchomp carves its opponents up with the scythes on both arms.

What the fuck? Its arms melted?

>>717089027
probably not as bad as the other fucker with a permanent cold and unusable arms

>>717080586 (OP)
What the fuck is this?
It looks like the back end of a lizard with the front end of a fish on its' tail. did pokemon do some sort of 'mix and mash' poke-experiments and this is the outcome or is it a nautral pokemon with some lore explaining it?

>>717092003
Gen 5 sort of does.

In Gen 5 Team Plasma begins very public protests, arguing that capturing Pokemon to force them into battle was an abusive practice that needs to stop. These protests were led by N and his retainer Ghetsis. And maybe there was an argument to be had there, some NPCs at least question the morality of the current system of battling. But where N genuinely believes what he's saying, Ghetsis does not. He's a grifter that was using the protests to convince everyone to disarm, so he can keep his Pokemon and install himself as King of New York. And after his grift is exposed, everyone just drops it. After all, Pokemon WANT to battle. It's how they show trust in their trainers...I guess.

Also in Sun Moon when everyone calls out Lusamine for using her children as playthings and experimenting on Pokemon. And she tells you that she doesn't want to see you wagging your finger at her when you have hundreds of Pokemon trapped in the PC Boxes until you can find a use for them.

>>717080705
You'll get to be a janitor someday, but dont worry they still won't pay you.

>>717092003
>>717092474
A series like Pokémon can't really address these sort of issues because at the end of the day it's not going to change. So what if you're weaponizing living creatures? Are you NOT going to catch em all and be the best like no one ever was? So any ethical dilemma like everything involving Mewtwo is immediately dropped

>Mega Glalie
>Sun: The excess energy from Mega Evolution spilled over from its mouth, breaking its jaw. It spews endless blizzards.
>Moon: It envelops prey in its mouth, freezing them instantly. But its jaw is dislocated, so it's unable to eat them.
>Ultra Sun: When it spews stupendously cold air from its broken mouth, the entire area around it gets whited out.
>Ultra Moon: The power of Mega Evolution was so strong that it smashed Glalie's jaw. Its inability to eat very well leaves Glalie irritated.

>>717092461
See >>717087710

>>717089493
because even abominations that live in spite of Arceus deserve love or something like that

>>717087710
this will always be the worst idea they could have possibly done
no fossils would have been fine

>>717087710
Dracozolt is the best one I'd say.
And look at those thick thighs!

>>717089493
>>717092003
the thing those anons don't tell you is this is its dex entry
>Its mighty legs are capable of running at speeds exceeding 40 mph, but this Pokémon can't breathe unless it's underwater.

SHYTS all over your comp scenes

>flattens your pokemon
>does not elaborate
>goes back to sleep

nothing personnel......kid.......

>>717087710
Dracozolts owe me sex.

>>717094493
But why

>>717080586 (OP)
what an absolute abortion

>>717087710
so dracozolt and arctovish are their correct forms?

>>717095309
No, just more functional than the bottom row

>>717081212
genuinely how tho?
its insane they ban dumb shit like this but dont just patch out crits or rng damage variance on their website, the things actually keeping “competitive” pokemon down

>>717095309
I don't think so, there looks like there should have been a third piece to all of them that was never found, so what you see is just that.
Also Arctovish's head is upside down and isn't even able to eat properly.

>>717095694
Actually with all the fossil names it looks like the scientists in Gen 8 just didn't care.

>>717089493
>I mean the dog fighting analogy is one thing but fuck me that's a bit much.
Not only do they let them live, the Pokedex descriptions go out of their way to make it clear that their lives fucking suck dick.

One of them can run on land but can't swim, but can only breathe underwater. Another is perpetually too cold because its own body generates freezing temperatures that it can't handle.

>>717095669
I'm not huge into pvp pokemon, but I THINK Wobuffet has encore, special/physical counters, and shadowtag, so it can lock your pokemon into killing itself.

>>717095669
the explanation is REALLY easy retard

>>717095669
>crits or rng damage variance on their website, the things actually keeping “competitive” pokemon down
retard

>>717092003
The ethical implications of the "cockfighting" are addressed a few times over the series, primarily in Legends Arceus and Black/White. The answer is consistently "The Pokemon like to fight as it helps them grow, and Pokemon choose to stay in their balls when you catch them, they're not forced" meaning there aren't really any ethical implications.

The ethical implications of the fossils aren't addressed because their concept is meant to be silly and reference the historical inaccuracy of palaeontology. The joke is that their lives suck. It's not meant to be taken seriously.

>>717095901
>>717095669
Usually when discussing bans, the question on the table is can a player reasonably play around this thing. In the case of trapping abilities, the reason why it gets banned is because you cannot play around it. If Mega Gengar, or Dugtrio, or Wobbufett are placed on the field, you just die. At best you attempt a switch move but come on, you know for a fact they're going first. And it's not like a crit where if happens sometimes if you're un/lucky, you're fucked the moment they touch the board. So you have 2 options
1. Every single team needs to be loaded with either flying types, ghost types, or switch moves to avoid being vaporized by trap pokemon
2. Just ban the trap pokemon

>>717095669
>its insane they ban dumb shit like this
It's overcentralizing and extremely simple to use. The opposite of a healthy meta.

>but dont just patch out crits or rng damage variance on their website, the things actually keeping “competitive” pokemon down
Crits and RNG are actively helpful otherwise Pokemon would heavily favour a stall playstyle in almost all situations. They're very purposefully there for exactly that reason in both casual and official and fan competitive formats.

>>717096429
just ban the stall like they did shadow tag then. problem solved :^)
or, yknow, stop pretending that pokemon is worthy of being played competitively

>>717092003
plasma hands typed this post btw

>>717096279
The issue we run into is that there are instances where Pokemon dislike fighting or dislike their trainers. Ghetsis's Hydreigon fucking HATES him. But it's still mandated to fight on his behalf. Lusamine acknowledged that keeping Pokemon trapped in the PC is canon. So it's entirely possible for a pokemon to dislike fighting and yet be forced to fight

>>717087710
This is such a tragically bad almost insulting execution to a good ass idea for a pokemon

at least theyre not Aurorus
imagine being Ice Rock

>>717091786
Unironically better than the lazy garbage that we got.

>>717084351
>cool design basis and execution
>look at him
He looks brain damaged and has no arms

>>717095309
No each Draco, arcto, zolt and vish are each they're own pokemon but you only get half of each do hours never see their complete forms

>>717096678
It's a good idea, yes; but they are also a reference to the Bone Wars, so it's a good idea either way

>>717080586 (OP)
god this design is shit

>>717080586 (OP)
Dracovish hits hard with Fishious Rend + Strong Jaw, yes, but I'm not sure why it's banworthy.
>>717087710
It does make me wonder what those fossil Pokémon actually look like when brought to a more competent region to be restored.

Do people actually play "competitive" 1v1?

>>717096821
Perfect for the modern Pokemon fanbase then

>>717096779
That typing would be good if the user was a glass cannon like Weavile, but instead we got a 58 speed "tank"

>>717089493
>Wait so they're just making random chimeric abominations and then just letting them continue to live?
Yeah these particular fossils are horrifying to me. They're freaks of nature that have been allowed to exist through sheer incompetence.

>>717096621
funny you mention that as it's basically sitcom reasoning that every valid point Plasma brings up is immediately dropped on its head because Ghetsis decided to go full MCU villain

>>717087710
For me it's Arctzolt

>>717095669
you use a switching move on wobuffet to switch your own in
now the battle is both people clicking moves that do nothing for like 100 turns because you can't switch

>>717097413
>Dracovish hits hard with Fishious Rend + Strong Jaw, yes, but I'm not sure why it's banworthy.
Its almost a guarenteed 1 for 1 at worst and can easily 6-0 if you catch your opponent off guard.

>>717087710
>die
>some new species brings you back millions of years later
>they put your head on some other creature's ass
Thank you, China.

>>717096596
if you ban out all the defensive tools, the game overcentralizes around a hyper offense playstyle.

>>717098738
Shadowtag fails against other shadow tag users.

>>717098870
Incorrect, but since gen 6 Ghosts are immune. Which Wobuffet is.

>>717089493
>>717088479
>>717094156
>>717096678
It's based on a real thing that happened with dinosaur skeletons being assembled wrong.

>>717096646
>Lusamine acknowledged that keeping Pokemon trapped in the PC is canon.
If Lusamine knew how that shit actually worked she'd have known the fucking HUSBAND THAT SHE WENT CRAZY OVER LOSING was literally living on an island with all the Pokemon from your boxes. Her negative interpretation of the PC boxes isn't necessarily an accurate description of what it is.

>>717097413
>Dracovish hits hard with Fishious Rend + Strong Jaw, yes, but I'm not sure why it's banworthy.
Generally "clicking giant damage move" is banworthy for the same reason why shadow tag/arena trap are. They invalidate your most important tool in the game, switching.
It warps the metagame into getting the threat in and clicking your move. Which is interesting, but it is also overcentralizing, because if Mr. Fish is legal, you can't play any strategy except "get Mr. Fish in safely and click Fishous Rend".

>>717099452
Didn’t her husband leave her because of her crazy obsession with perfection and controlling everything?

>>717099031
Wobuffet is mono Psychic

>>717099719
so it's not immune to shadow tag

>>717099771
Stop being retarded shadow tag hasn't worked on other shadow tag users since gen 4 precisly because of Wobbuffet.

>>717099771
dumb fuck

>>717080586 (OP)
>competitive
>pokemon
even for /v/, this is some low effort bait.

>>717099969
but it does work, go load up a showdown lobby and try

>>717099235
I understand that, but it was still a bad idea and executed horribly.

what pal is this? it looks ugly as hell

>>717100919
it's one of the new ones from the terraria crossover

>>717100769
https://www.smogon.com/dex/dp/abilities/shadow-tag/
>or also have this Ability.

>>717095669
Why do people who don't play comp shout their uneducated opinions with so much confidence?

>>717101823
bro got raped by a random crit once or missed thunder twice in a row and now it's his personal duty to exaggerate his rape claims
same shit as when someone dies to crits in TF2

>>717098870
It didn't in gen 3

>>717099235
nobody cares what it's based on if the final product sucks

>>717099235
I understand that but it makes it worse that they took the idea to such a ludicrous extreme no one can take it seriously and it doesn't even look like pokemon
>this dunklyostus head goes on the back of this stegosaurus tail right?
>surely this raptors whole torso should go where this seals head should be
>fucking seal fossil at all...

These things break the fantasy pokemon originally created. Seeing this things next to something like rhydon or tyranitar is just as jarring as seeing SpongeBob next to them

>>717080586 (OP)
It always makes me laugh how this goofy, nonsensical ass monster brings terror to hundreds of pokemon comp players.