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>>717080829 (OP)
All Germaniums must be Groß

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germuslims are faggots
ERE > HRE
lmao even FRANCE > HRE

>>717081434
>ERA > HRE
Not in the setting of this game, it didn't. EU5's ERE isn't quite as doomed as EU4's, but it is basically right at the start of its terminal decline into a Turkish colony.

To dismiss the entire HRE is very retarded. Very cool history behind it, and to many of the polities in it.

>>717080829 (OP)
300+ members.

>>717080829 (OP)
was eu4 also this terribly optimized at release and hardware caught up to it or its pdx being shit this time

>>717081656
It's horrible, I love it.

I like EU4/EU5 threads because recommending nations to people who aren't super into history is fun.

Anyone want some recommendations or have any questions about the game/time periods that are in EU5? The game runs from 1337-1836.

>>717081875
how does russia work? I know obviously you'll have to "form" it like in other games, but it looks like most of it isn't even in the game/is blank?

how long after this game's start date did russia form?

>>717081875
What happens here

>>717081956
>how long after this game's start date did russia form?
"Russia" was founded in 1547, so just over 200 years after the game's start in 1337.
>most of it isn't in the game?
Blank states mean unsettled/tribal. Developed nations can colonise them using colonists-so for the likes of Portugal or Spain, this'll mean the new world. For Russia, you're colonising siberia and the far east.
>how does Russia work?
Russia is a super good campaign.

At the time of EU5, most of what you know as western Russia was occupied either by Slavic principalities or offshoots from the Monghol Empire; they're Asian nomads. A huge part of the "Russia campaign" is consolidating power, uniting slavic lands, then taking the fight to the Mongols. You'll be in the shoes of people like Ivan the Terrible (first "Tsar" of Russia) as you work hard to both free your people from the Mongols, consolidate your realm, then surge eastwards to expand it. Russia is always a big player, mostly because they have near infinite manpower.

>>717081956
you’ll probably have to colonize all that empty space like in EU4

>>717082037
BUGANDA
petty kingdoms who raid each other for slaves and tribute etc.

>>717082037
>african great lakes
There were a bunch of tribes and kingdoms surrounding them, founded by migrating tribes. Most of Africa was added in by DLC, previously just being full of natives for you to conquer. A lot of the African campaigns are boring as fuck though.

Their games are usually
>try unify your culture/region
>try to modernise/get better tech
>hope you get lucky and can fight off the europeans when they show up

>whenever i play eu4 im annoyed by fake and gay mana system (peace time is so trash in this game) and miss fun of nation building in vic2
>whenever i play vic2 i miss eu4 UI improvements, better wargoals and late game war not being unbearable micro hell
vic2 is still overall superior but why cant pdx make a perfect game?

>>717082494
Mana is gone in eu5

>>717083405
how does it work then. not planning on playing it for at least 5 years.

>>717083842
they use POPs now but its modern pdx game so game will be completely unplayable after ingame 30years

>>717081561
Being able to play a normal Byzantium game without a bunch of cheese strats at the start is one of the things I'm most excited about in this game.

>>717081656
God the ui is horrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>717081656
>3D rulers
to what fucking purpose?

>>717081875
Which Italian city state is da best?

>>717084514
They spend good money making them possible for CK3 and by God you are going to enjoy looking at them.

>Venice no longer an island capital behind a fort
Thank god. I hate venetians so much. Fighting 80 ships in 1450 and waiting 10 years to peace them out since you can't reach their capital.

>>717084634
It actually is

>>717084740
Its over

>>717080829 (OP)
between this and pops the game is going to buckle hard
>>717084583
florence

>>717081656
It doesn't look like there's 300 tags in that screenshot

>>717085092
it's historic anon

>>717085447
There's some tags that are don't have land. Banks, trade leagues, holy orders etc.

>>717080829 (OP)
Guaranteed this game will run like absolute ass before the 1450s.

>>717085092
what? you really expected to take Venice without beating it's fleet? what's next? conquering UK without boats?

>>717084273
Yeah, EU5 is right at the start of the Andronikos III Palaiologos coming to power.

Historically, he was a mixed bag; he lost land to Balkan nations and Turks in some places, but did manage to win a lot back. He invaded islands occupied by various Italian rulers and restored them to Byzantine rule, and overhauled the Byzantine navy. He did manage to make small gains on the western coast of Anatolia, but failed to stop the Ottoman advance.

Andronikos III's reign ended with civil war, which is what allowed Byzantium to lose land in two directions; to the newly established Serbian Empire in the west, and from to the Ottomans in the east. Andronikos III died in 1341 historically, and my assumption is that the civil war will be a mechanic in the game that you have to deal with.

The two sides of said civil war are;
>John V Palaiologos
Son of Andronikos III. John will only be a child at this point, so the it's a regency you'll be choosing-this one ruled by Anna of Savoy.
>John VI Kantakouzenos
The guy who ran shit back home while Adronikos III was out waging war/doing whatever. He was also regent for John V.

>>717085827
>landless tanks representing institutions
That's pretty sick actually
>>717085904
It's usually pretty trivial to mod Paradox games and disable irrelevant areas of the map to ensure great performance throughout the entire campaign. You could probably regex all of sub Saharan Africa away in 2 minutes if you don't want 10 variations of Mbungu tags lagging the game.

>>717084583
There are a few frontrunners in Italy.
>Florence
The Florentine Republic is famous for being the big rennaisance guys; you will likely be overseeing the rise of the de' Medici banking family, who were incredibly powerful. Your goal (like with most Italian nations) is to unify the peninsula into Italy most of the time; as Florence, you'll be making fat bank (I believe the Medici bank is a landless nation in the game) and doing big diplomatic deals whilst pissing off the Pope.

If you do well, you can form Tuscany as a monarchy to retain the de' Medici dynasty and then form Italy.
>Papal States
Obvious choice; play as the pope. In EU5 if you unified Italy as the Papal States you can form the Kingdom of God, and reform it so the Pope is a sort of early modern crusader King. In EU4 right now the Papal States can outright prevent the Protestant reformation, if they're good.
>Milan
One of the more popular routes, you are a very developed and very rich monarchy that's well poised to unify northern Italy and then take on the rest of the peninsula.

A lot of Italy games are;
>okay, first get strong enough to stop France/Austria trying to fuck you over
>now get strong enough to take on Naples and unite Italy
>sometimes you gotta be strong enough to beat Spain though, since they often end up with lands in Southern Italy.

So yeah; Florence (personal favourite), Milan, Papal States. Venice iwll probably be fun too, but it's a tall game not a wide one.

>>717086645
Sure, but I want the game to be good fron the get-go.

>>717087042
Not happening, we're talking about post-CK2 Paradox here

>>717085642
>>717086274
Its mainly because the actual island part of Venice isn't that big. It's fairly close to the mainland and not even that big. Granted, I'm sure it was more island 700 years ago with changes in water level and such but most of Venice was still along the mainland. Venice being an island is mainly for gameplay reasons, which I understand but god I hate venetians.

>>717086645
Picrel is a map of all the *known* nations that are "landless."

The types of landless countries (according to dev shit) are;
>Settled countries
Traditional EU nation.
>Army countries
Similar to above, but they are truly an army with a state; functions as a normal state for the most party, but if your army gets destroyed or too weakened it can shatter your nation into multiple pices.

Steppe hordes will be this sort of nation; kill their armies, bye bye horde. Probably how rebellions/civil wars will be handled.
>Extraterritorial Countries
You do not own land, you own buildings-or can have *subjects* that own lands. You have to keep the nation your stuff is in happy or you'll run into big trouble.

Assumedly these are mostly banks, Hanseatic League holdings, or holy orders. Confirmed BANK nations in the game are;
>Peruzzi
>bardi
>Medici
>Fuggers

Weirdly, it's confirmed that Japanese Daimos use the building-based country system at the start. Assumedly "Japan" will be a country and you'll be fighting other Daimyos within it while maintaining relations with the Emperor or Shogun or whatever

>>717087160
I know, I know.

Still playing EU3

>>717087501
Is there any way to disable cascading alliances?

>>717087854
Go back to HTTT, I'm almost certain it's hardcoded in DW.

This game is going to run like ass, doesn't matter how good your PC is. Why is Paradox like this? They know they can't make anything run well past the mid-game, so why do they just keep doing ignoring the problem in every single one of their games?

I'm actually hyped bros....
I know I shouldn't be....
yet I am....

>>717080829 (OP)
Oh boy, I can't wait to buy the ability to automatically suppress rebels for the third time

>>717083405
They said the same thing for Imperator Rome

>>717081656
Was ist the Deutsche vaterland?

>>717092654
In imperator they didn't involve the community whilst making the game. This time they are quite transparent and actually taking notes from the community and changing things according to feedback. There's no actual mana in the game. Some adjacent systems like stability, diplomats, and most recently muslim piety exists, and have garnered some criticism. The biggest difference from eu4 to eu5 besides mana is that everything takes time. No instant click buttons anymore.

>>717088303
>This game is going to run like ass, doesn't matter how good your PC is.
Yup, tried both ck3 and vicky 3 after getting my $2200 pc and the former ran like shit after 100 years(with population control mod on) and the latter around the 1870s