Thread 717081108

Linux gaming just keeps getting stronger

Yeah it's finally happening, this is real actual growth

People are actually switching to Linux within the past 1-2 years

Desktop usage share of Linux is about ~5% now, the year of the Linux desktop is really happening

>>717081108 (OP)
Can i switch to linux without having to transition or is that a mandatory thing?

even normies are starting to realize how cancerous windows is. hopefully major companies follow steams example, understanding just how great it would be to never have to deal with wangblows or microshart ever again

>>717081108 (OP)
if the font in your image was white you'd be too embarrassed to post it, but because it's green your feeble mind thinks it's impressive something grew by 0.01%

>>717081409
It literally grew by 0.32% you can see the number retard

it is until you want to play a game on GoG or any other shit launcher

can someone beat some fucking sense into the GNOME devs holy shit
>no client-side decorations on wayland, so trying to resize apps like wayland is janky as fuck
>showing taskbar icons requires an extension
>using a different terminal requires setting a gsettings config key
>using that terminal in the nautilus right-click menu requires a custom nautilus extension
>screen capturing apps require explicit permission each and every time, except gnome-screenshot which is conveniently whitelisted ;)

>>717081354
Been on various distros since 2016. No transition yet.

>>717081409
Fine, fine. I'll post the long-term graph.

>>717081616
Reason? With God, the perfect being?

>>717081579
What is the supposed difficulty in running GOG games on Linux? I never had a problem. Are you people just having some kind of skill issue? Or is it just that you've never touched Linux and you're blindly guessing at what doesn't work based on whether a completely optional desktop client has a native Linux port?

>>717081742
Here's the number that actually matters.

Will you hit 3 percent this year?

>>717083628
At the current rate, yes.

>>717083628
We should be hitting about 3.17% in two months if current trends prevail.

>>717081579
>it is until you want to play a game on GoG or any other shit launcher
https://heroicgameslauncher.com/

>>717084697
>free
what's the catch?

>>717084813
Are you stupid? GOG Galaxy is also "free". The games aren't free in any case unless you count piracy and Heroic doesn't help you with that. There doesn't need to be a "catch".

>>717084813
Do you pay for the gog Galaxy launcher? It was made because people wanted a better client for epic games. Because their client sucked, even on windows

>>717084813
This is the catch. Just post a bug report if you notice any bugs.

>new numbers
ok
>Windows shills seethe about numbers
uh huh
>a dumb ass thinks GOG games don't work on Linux
oh yeah wow, dumb thread so far.
I guess I'll do my best to fix it.
What have you been playing on your GNU/Linux machine lately?

>but why do you use Linux??
just 'cause I feel like it

>>717084697
>think this will be gimped and not work at all like lutris didnt on my distro
>literally just werks like steam proton, right click and select compatibility tool and just play
>even allows you to download new versions of GRproton through the launcher itself
sorry for talking shit m8

>>717081108 (OP)
If loonix can ever get games with anti-cheat to work properly I'll make the switch.

>>717081108 (OP)
I don't know computers. What's the difference between all these Linuxes. Explain like I am 3 years old.

just 2 more years

>>717088832
There are games with anti-cheat that work. If the dev is going to block Linux though, then it's never going to work.

>>717089058
The one at the top is good, the one at the bottom is good if you're AMDrone everything else sucks.

>>717088832
Linux isn't the one blocking the compatibility retard
It's straight up malice from timmy brained devs and publishers

>>717089058
- Different package managers. You don't care if you're not touching the terminal.
- Different package repositories. You don't care if you don't already have extremely autistic opinions on which distribution does it best.
- Different release cycles (rolling release vs. point release). Point release distributions are more stable at the cost of waiting for updates. Having year-old packages rarely matters now that Linux gaming has been good for more than a year, but people who use rolling release distributions will try to convince you that you need this morning's updates to your GPU drivers in order to run any games.
- Different things pre-installed, most notably different desktop environments. (You can always install another one, but you might as well choose a distribution that pre-installs a desktop environment you like.)

>>717089665
>but people who use rolling release distributions will try to convince you that you need this morning's updates to your GPU drivers in order to run any games.
Actually the case if you're using nvidia crap.

>>717089058
>there 3 main "versions" of linux (distro's)
>of these 3 main versions, there are sub-versions (other distro's)
>different versions (distros) cater to different users by coming pre-loaded with a selection of programs / software
linux mint is a distro based off of debian.
mint is the friendliest to new users and is basically designed to mimic windows by having a bunch of pre-loaded programmed installed.
everytime you hear the word "distro" just think OS.

Linux is garbage on the desktop and riddled with incompatibilities and bugs. Linux has always been the contrarian choice for people wanting to feel unique or stand out amongst tech geeks.

>>717088832
That's not a Linux issue, that's a "shitty devs specifically blocking Linux" issue.
For example, Fantasy Life i uses EAC and it works perfectly fine on Linux, both offline and online.

>>717089891
Yeah but windows is gay

>>717089891
there are specific versions of linux available that anybody could use just like a "normal" pc and are very robust.
it's on you if you pick something like arch and are surprised you actually need to know what you are doing with your pc.

>>717090198
>bash: help: no help topics match `me'. Try `help help' or `man -k me' or `info me'.

sudo rm -thisthreadagain

>>717090697
>rm: invalid option -- 't'
>Try 'rm --help' for more information.

>>717081579
Gog games that work for me:
>Warband
>Blasphemous
>All the old arena fps like quake and turok
>The Witcher 2 and 3
>Rimworld
>FTL
>Total Warhammer 2 and 3
>Sleeper hit game Serpent in the Staglands
I don't get what you mean. The Gog installer has 2 click 'next', one text box that comes up where you click yes, asks where you want it downloaded, and sometimes asks if you want a to install/add a shortcut. I could train dogs to do this shit man

>>717089891
A janky operating system improves tech literacy

>>717081108 (OP)
3% by 2040 baby

>>717091308
>2.08% to 2.89% in 1 year
>but it will take 15 years to go from 2.89% to 3.00%
uh huh.
I look forward to your cope when it's 3% in 2025.

>>717091656
these things tend to speed up thanks to faggot influencer.
but the real win is only going to happen once OEM start including linux as a cheaper option

>>717091141
>I don't get what you mean.
He doesn't mean anything, because no critical thinking was involved in writing his post. He heard about how Steam supports Linux, and parsed this information as "only Steam works on Linux" because he has the only-thinks-in-absolutes brain rot.
It's like when I post a screenshot of my desktop and they say "heh, so Linux can only run indie games..."

>>717081579
or pirate

>>717081108 (OP)
Does that include Steam Deck?

>>717092732
Nevermind, I don't see Steam OS there

>>717092714
Are you implying pirating is harder on linux?
Is not.

>>717092860
For some reason, SteamOS is shown in the Linux breakdown only when you filter the survey results to Linux-only.

>>717081108 (OP)
>Linux gaming just keeps getting stronger
Why is that a good thing? Everything in life that was good and then gets invaded by normies is worse because of it.
I bet Bill Gates is paying people to shill Linux so it gets popular and becomes shit like everything else.

>>717093478
>the paradigm shifting from blown out spyware way past its prime is bad because... le normies
it wasn't the normies that discontinued 7 and inserted all the jeetborne turbospyware
it was microsoft
fuck them
them losing grip is good no matter how you try to slice it

>>717081108 (OP)
WOW A 2% HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT'S AWESOME.
Lmao really.

>>717081108 (OP)
Over 6% in the first world, this is crazy.

>>717093898
cope 'n' seethe, my friend

>>717093898
3% is 4 million monthly users anon.
>>717093826
>it was microsoft
we have corporations owning everything just the same on linux, redhat, cannonical, system76, valve... hell linux itself has more sponsors than an american politician.

>>717094169
forks exist, you can always do something to escape
with windows you have no recourse whatsoever, the only thing you can do is dig your heels in and you still concede more each time you update the os which you have to do since new hardware won't be compatible with old oses

>>717093478
The "good" news is that there probably isn't enough time left for this fate to befall Linux. Credit card companies are now open about the fact that they will blacklist whatever they in their sole discretion deem lacking in artistic value, which is really whatever a sufficient number of woke people lobbies them to blacklist (and if you think it will stop with porn then lmao), and within a few years you will need government ID to access "adult" sites on the internet. Linux will still be good for the short remaining time that computers in general are still usable without a dick in your ass.

>>717093898
Including Steam Deck, which comes with Linux preinstalled, so it's even lower among PC players

>>717088737
hows it work with non-gaming apps? bottles and lutris were always crapshoots for stuff like my art apps (clip studio, photoshop, affinity, etc)

>>717094745
in this hypothetical scenario, why aren't you also discarding all those handhelds running windows that also count in steam's stats?

>>717094745
and how many people do you think use pre installed windows you mong? nearly all of them

>>717094904
Well, because I forgot about them, good point

>>717081108 (OP)
>People are actually switching to Linux within the past 1-2 years
Retards who agree to let Valve use their data are also paying +600 buckeroos for a dreck brick.

>>717081579
It's easier to install GOG games than it is to install on Steam. Literally just select the installer in Lutris or Heroic and install it. No client dog shit needed.

>>717081108 (OP)
>l*nux (((gaming)))
Suicide

>>717095346
why are you upset? I wonder if you can even articulate what makes your ass hurt so much

>>717081108 (OP)
Switching to linux is easy, especially with how loud its cultists are.
Staying on linux is a different story. You either get brain damaged or leave before it happens

>>717081108 (OP)
I'll switch when I can play my chinese gachas on linux

>>717094845
Wine is enough for games because games are simple in terms of the ways they interact with the operating system. All they really need to do is shit pixels onto the display and sometimes write a config/save file to disk.
If you want to use Photoshop on Linux then ask Adobe to support Linux. Wine's relative success in running games doesn't mean it's actually the operating system's job to make sure that software is compatible.

>>717095692
>Staying on linux is a different story.
Is it?
If you switched because Windows has gotten too shitty for you, there's not much incentive to go back, since Windows will just continue to get worse and worse and push the things that made you switch in the first place.

>>717081108 (OP)
How do Steam surveys work? Do a chunk of users get them first, and then another chunk later? Or do we all get them at the same time? Whenever I see people posting about them, I never seem to get one around that time.

Why are people so proud to suck Microsoft cock?
Every Linux thread has the most insane retards crawling out of the woodwork to profess their eternal love for Windows, no matter how shit it has become.
Windows is getting worse and worse and yet you fags will keep sucking.

>>717096218
>If you switched because Windows has gotten too shitty for you
No, he never used Linux and is just imagining a hypothetical scenario in which someone actually goes through the effort of installing an operating system for no other reason than just because /v/ "shilled" it.

>>717081579
:')

>>717096452
It's a shill and a few jeets (also shills).
The 4chan hack confirmed that there are multiple "reputation management" companies shilling here. It also revealed stuff like /a/ having Crunchyroll staff as jannies.
Don't take this place too seriously, if a post looks like a shill/bot post, it almost assuredly is.

I've been daily driving steam os on my deck as my only computer
what distro is closest to it for a full desktop
arch+kde?
i still haven't figured out how to use pacman...
i like having a gui...

>>717081263
Slowly but surely. I imagine there will be hiccups, but literally no one can stop this as companies are committed to being as gay as possible.

>>717096638
Bazzite It's known to be pretty much just SteamOS

>>717093384
Valve excluding themselves to avoid favoritism allegations?

>>717093215
it is

>>717096452
What that other Anon but also, sometime it just trolls, you can tell because the baits are very outdated.

>>717086642
I'm playing chernobylite and i'm wondering, for games on unreal slop 5, given that i'm on a 7900XT, is it ok to run DX12?
I heard it can cause problems but with nvidia, and personally i haven't seen that much of a difference both in visuals and in performance

>>717081579
you can use lutris, it works pretty well.

>>717096992
if you are braindead.

>>717097476
this, you need to at least take 5mg of estrogen daily to be able to use linux

Everyone in this thread should try Linux Mint at least. You can ask AI how to fix most of the problems you'll face. No more scrolling stackoverflow threads from 2013 for every arcane bullshit issue. And it can write scripts and terminal commands or recommend suitable software for most typical problems you'll face.

>>717097701
Okay, but what's your argument in support of the claim "pirating is harder on Linux" if it turns out anon is a straight white male?

>>717095701
Which gacha are you missing? I'll test how it works.

>>717096638
What >>717096738 said.
I gave it a whirl on an external drive, and after about a week I was ready to fully commit. Running Windows games on Linux has greatly improved in the past couple years apparently.

Just be sure to double check what drive you're installing to in the menu so you don't accidentally baleet something.

>>717089058
You know when you were 8 years old and you choose a random console and then you've been a fanboy of that brand ever since despite playing the same multiplats as everyone else?
Linux distros are like that, people argue over environments that, as far as the final user experience goes, are virtually interchangeable
If you remove the jargon, linux discussions boil down to "How often should you have to update?"and "Which Desktop environment feels better?"

>>717097952
>You can ask AI how to fix most of the problems you'll face
I don't think people will admit it but it's true kek unless you start getting into very niche territory GPT pretty much gets everything right.

>>717098101
>"How often should you have to update?"and "Which Desktop environment feels better?"
But the objective answers to these questions are "when a dot appears on the Linux Mint update manager tray icon" and "Cinnamon, of course".

>>717097009
There's that one guy who claims to have encountered an issue with linux in every thread and makes up some outlandish scenario.

>>717098024
I asked before in one of these threads if I could play zenless zone zero and darktide on linux and I got no for an answer

>>717098156
>how do i open an exe on linux?
sudo rm -rf /
i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, but you do you.

Kneel

>>717097952
>And it can write scripts and terminal commands
For the love of God don't do this

>>717096259
When a user logs into the Steam client, it runs some logic that attempts to determine if a user is logging in from a new machine, or an upgraded machine. If that machine is likely to be the users "primary" system, basically if it knows if a user has other devices it will try to present on their Windows box. If it isn't on that system, it can be a while before the monthly survey check decides it can present on a different system.
If it passes all the checks, it presents to the user, and if the user opts into the survey then it records the details of that particular system, and submits them for inclusion.

This obviously has a lot of problems. The survey logic has a bad habit of over counting users it sees on "new Windows systems" more frequently, like Chinese net cafe users. While under counting users on platforms other than Windows since it is less likely to present on "secondary" systems. If you recently switched to Linux after using Windows for years, the survey won't actually count you as having switched until it actually presents the survey to you on a Linux machine.

>>717098305
Last time I tested by just downloading the installer and just double clicking to run it on system wine it worked as expected. I'll test again.

>>717098312
AIEEEE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>717098796
I see, that sucks and doesn't as reliable as you would expect it to be.
Wouldn't that also mean distrohoppers get left out of the stats, since the survey might not ever catch up with them unless they settle on one system long enough?

>>717098956
Is this real? Is AI based now?

>>717083550
now show the % of win11 users based on language

who /arch linux with no desktop environment/ here?

>>717099695
>now show
The site that produces the graph to which you responded doesn't display that data. Go find it yourself.

>>717081263
>5%
In America I might add, not globally. Huge

>>717081108 (OP)
is this the thread?
install CachyOS or Arch or EndeavourOS
NEVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE INSTALL UBUNTU OR ITS DERIVATIVES
if you want Mint, install LMDE
>FUCK CUMBUNTU
FUCK CUMBUNTU
>FUCK CUMBUNTU
FUCK CUMBUNTU
>FUCK CUMBUNTU
FUCK CUMBUNTU

>>717099971
so? whats the url

>>717100045
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/steam-tracker/
but again you're not going to find a breakdown of Windows version usage by language there, because it's a Linux site, and for that matter, this is a Linux thread.

>>717083628
once the 43% stops killing themselves the linux usage will grow

>>717098459
no u

>>717098531
It already wrote startup scripts for my Wacom tablet and my mouse scroll speed, and I had it do other scripts I can run manually whenever various drivers occasionally shit themselves. AI is the great enabler for windows users who want to migrate to linux

>>717099635
It's real and the top half of the prompt is cut off.

>>717099597
Yep, anyone who boots multiple OSes or has multiple devices is much less likely to get counted, unless they boot up Windows.
Hardware of the system doesn't seem to have any effect, so if you have a max power 5090 desktop PC running a GNU/Linux based OS the survey will be less likely to present on that system, compared to an old Windows laptop with intel graphics.

>>717100395
And the other half of the response I also cut off.Told GPT in a descriptive way to be a cunt Linux user and the fucker still tried to guide me to use Wine even when requested not to be helpful.

foggy rainy helicopter ride through the eternal civil war shithole

>>717100262
Shut up

>>717098305
>>717098935
Still downloading

>>717081354
A flat chastity cage should be enough if your makeup is at least decent.

>>717083783
>>717084554
>in 25 years 100% of people will be using Linux
Thank you statistical experts.

>>717089341
>>717089907
>malice
>shitty devs
It's a Linux issue, because you can't properly check for cheats on Linux.
>b-but there is EAC for Linux
I made you stutter in my quote, which means you're wrong. Also the Linux version of EAC doesn't do shit compared to the Windows one.

>>717089058
If you use the first one, people will call you a retard once something breaks and tell you to use the second one instead.
If you use the second one, people will call you a retard once something breaks and tell you to use the first one instead.

If you use Linux, you will touch the Terminal. There is no way around it. People are lying to you.

>>717105581
you can't properly check for cheats anywhere, it's always gonna be a game of cat and mouse.

the thread is this, yes?

>>717105476
Don't pretend to be a retard anon.

>>717088832
>>717105581
If you'll switch to Linux as soon as Linux allows game developers to become my system administrator without my password, then I hope you stay on Windows forever.

>>717098305
Hoyo games work well, last I checked.

>>717105581
>Valorant stops supporting Linux because "MUH CHEATERS ARE ALL LINUX PLAYERS" excuse
>number of cheaters doesn't budge an inch
Uh huh.

>>717109504
that was league, valorant never worked on linux

>>717109504
the cheating was never Linux users, people on windows were spoofing linux to get around the spyware

>>717109663
Actually I was thinking about Apex, whoops.
>Banned in September 2024

>>717109954
What date did they remove linux users?

>>717105786
There's a desktop skin made to look like W7?
Neat.

>>717110278
https://gitgud.io/wackyideas/aerothemeplasma
gets better all the time

>>717090198
It took Pewdiepie over 40 minutes to get Discord to work on Linux LOL
https://youtu.be/yzSBeCJfhkw?si=jDZNQ5lkjWfO_hqV&t=25

>>717081742
So it's basically just the steam deck carrying the growth? lmao

>>717104380
>>717107789
okie, guess I have no excuse now. I'll look into it when my work week ends (I work on weekends)

>>717110458
Initially yes but then it started tapering off.

>>717096536
I used linux a ton and no matter the DE I used it had fuckhorrible user experience

>>717110458
the linux playerbase has been steadily growing for a while, the steamdeck just sped things up.
the big game changer were dxvk and proton

>>717081108 (OP)
Good. I am doing amazingly well on Windows. Bye!

>>717110652
Sleepy Launcher seems to be the way to install the game. Otherwise your results might vary.

>>717110458
>that doesn't count!!
Classic cope.

>>717105786
The desktop screenshot thread? I see a disturbing lack of such images, but I'll do my part to correct that.

the only problem is that there is no seameless game launcher with controller integration overlay other thansteam

>>717115103
it's a gaming board, at least share what you're playing.

>>717116065
I have never navigated steam with a controller, but heroic swaps over to joypad mode as soon as you press something on a controller, if thats what you mean.

>>717116065
Steam is fine for now, no? If Steam becomes exploitative down the road, then having a critical mass of users already on Linux will motivate replacements to spring up. Controller emulation is not trivial, but it's not rocket science either, and I would imagine that projects already exist in this space.

>>717081108 (OP)
When Battlefield 6 comes out you'll see this shit drop like a rock kek

>>717116065
What's the other one on Windows?

>>717116976
Needs to not flop first

>>717116976
Slop niggers that enjoy battlefield have no overlap with people who install their own operating systems

>>717110442
Technology like appimage can make it faster at the cost of super bloated size lol. We're talking about 1GB+ for each wrapped application.

>>717081108 (OP)
linux fails because nothing has been streamlined, i dont want to hack my fucking computer to run a virtual machine to run a fucking mp game because it has a fucking anti cheat

dumb faggots praise this shit like its gods gift when its a pain in the ass just to do a file search

>>717119664
you're a faggot but i need the sauce on that tifa video

>>717119664
Retarded niggers like you will come out and blame Linux from protecting you from fucking designer rootkits and not the retards that normalised those rootkits in the first place

>>717120021
i dont understand how linux users pretend they're smart but at the same time have no reading comprehension, i said the streamline of linux usability is the issue and that's why it fails, this is just plain fact stating it protects you from x,y,z is not a answer to the issue it has, why none of you fags have dealt with this issue is beyond me maybe you should focus on that instead of "ricing" your fucking desktops and becoming trannys we wouldnt be in this mess

>>717119763
saved it from another poster you have to find it yourself im afraid

>>717081108 (OP)
When Valve announced that Steam is going to end support for Windows 7 by the end of the year, Windows 7 and the very few Windows 8 weirdos were making up to about 1.35% while Linux was 1.26% or something. So all this time later, plus a Deck release, and the numbers are still in the shitter? What the hell, man. Why won't Valve just release a new desktop version of SteamOS?

>>717110458
Actually no. Steamdeck users only make up a marginal fraction of the overall Linux userbase. But Linux took off for the same reason the deck became a thing - Proton/DXVK

>>717120397
found it but it's just that...

>>717120671
kek unlucky anon

>>717081354
Just use everything trannies hate.
X11, manjaro or debian, anything made by lennart poettering...
Also keep rust out of your kernel.

>>717120397
You comically retarded nigger
You are bitching about Linux needing you to jump through hoops to accomodate for rootkit anti cheats
You know why that is?
Because Linux isn't willing to bust itself open to accomodate actual fucking malware
So you know what happens?
The butthurt clueless devs just blacklist it as a whole
You're such fucking cattle that instead of being mad at the absolute state of compslop degrading to this level you blame the rational position of not injecting your pc with malware for some mediocre slop
Off yourself

>>717111202
>Ubuntu and arch-cringed go up
Sad

>>717120513
DXVK was the reason I stayed on windows 7 for so long. It was shitty python installers that made me switch. And python still breaks things on Linux.

>>717120896
do i need to tap the sign?>>717120397

>>717120397
>>717120397
>I dont understand how linux users pretend they're smart but at the same time have no reading comprehension, i said the streamline of linux usability is the issue and that's why it fails, this is just plain fact stating it protects you from x,y,z is not a answer to the issue it has, why none of you fags have dealt with this issue is beyond me maybe you should focus on that instead of "ricing" your fucking desktops and becoming trannys we wouldnt be in this mess
Not him and no offense but I gave up on reading this when I realized it's one big-ass run-on sentence. You probably don't realize it because it's your own words, but when people write like this, it's a fucking chore to read. Please use your period key. If you can't figure out where the periods go then don't attempt to communicate in writing without the assistance of an AI chat bot. I'd rather read AI slop than guess where your sentences are separated.

>>717120896
>>717120397
>>717120021
It's just not malware, it's bad indian (and now AI) shit running with zero protection on the bare machine.
Code written by the lowest of the low being able to touch the registers of everything directly.
One particularly unlucky memory leak away from turning your videocard into a brick.

>>717120957
I gave you the benefit of the doubt by ignoring the part of your statement that mentioned trannies just like every other hypocritical wintroon that has a tranny flag in their start menu
You're a retard, end of

>>717081409
it's an 11% increase which is significant

>>717119664
Maybe if you spent less time gooning and more time educating yourself you'd have a better experience.

>>717089891
i just hate windows A LOT

>>717121053
notice how you fags dont address the issue im calling out you just go "you are dumb i cant be bothered reading"

>>717121157
>>717121185
same as the previous post address the issue of linux being shit to use, its why no one uses it, its a pain in the ass and if its not address and streamlined it will forever lose to windows you cant face that simple fact, then just act like a bunch of whiny bitches

>>717119662
if only they could package and ship the program with the fitting hardware then it would be perfect. wait a moment...

>>717089891
The pile of things that annoy me on Windows 10+ is bigger than the list of things that annoy me on linux.
And i can mostly fix the linux ones, while windows it is what it is.

>>717119664
>when its a pain in the ass just to do a file search
Works on my machine.

>>717121318
Counterpoint: It is less of a pain in the ass than Windows 2000 and over the years people have become dumb as fucking rocks.

>>717121318
>linux being shit to use
proof required
i've been using linux for 10 years and i love it. if you're terminally inept that's on you.

>>717121405
>windows 2000
everyone is on windows 10/11 lil gup

>>717121401
Windows' file search is fucking ass compared to locate which is basically instant

>>717121318
There's zero chance you've actually used linux
Hence why you come out here with this nebulous shit and can't cite concrete examples
At most you heard the memes and got scared after you saw what happens when you boot an arch iso

>>717121470
How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?

my kernel segfaulted last night
what fucking year is it, 1998?
the NTFS partitions I had mounted had to be chkdsked and had metadata loss, thankfully no file loss

>>717121581
The same way you feel when you don't watch Andrew Wilson and quote him

try again dumb fuck

>>717121573
see even when you speak to a linux fag they automatically assume all this bullshit like they are the smartest in the room use basic terms you hear in CS then bolster that by not addressing why no one moves from windows to linux which is again ease of use and streamlining

>>717121770
You didn't answer the question.

>>717121816
Hungry is the answer to the question so you can answer hypotheticals holy fucking shit you dumb fucks

Once a desktop version of steamOS becomes real and has support from Valve i will finally move out from windows to Linux
>but you can already move out
Don't care until it has a big company like Valve behind it making it retarded proof and me not having to worry about Nvidia drivers

>>717121770
See
I gave you a chance to bring up your legitimate grievances with Linux and you have nothing
Why?
Because you're a posturing retard that spreads rumors and hasn't actually used it
Your opinion means absolutely fucking nothing because your experience is nonexistent

>>717121701
check your hardware

>>717122112
i have 50 fucking times, the streamlining is the issue, can you play a game with anti cheat out the box? no you cant you have to do a bunch of shit to run it, same for many other games thats the issue, most people dont want to do it, you can keep saying to me whats the issue i tell you it and you then ignore that and say oh its nothing then we are right back at the same fucking discussion 50 posts back fuck you faggot

>this talk of kernel panics made me check my uptime
>up 69 days, 4:20
Wow, I wasn't even trying to do that

>>717121951
>Don't care until it has a big company like Valve behind it making it retarded proof
This has a chance of happening
>not having to worry about Nvidia drivers
This will never happen

>>717121318
>still not using the period key
I didn't respond to your argument because I am not the guy debating you and I have no interest in stepping in to defend him. I posted to tell you that your run-on sentences are annoying as fuck to read, and you should get an AI to write for you if you're really this illiterate.
People rightly shit on AI-generated writing because it's soulless and overly verbose, but as someone who is too stupid to use punctuation, you are actually the perfect use case for AI. You need ChatGPT to fill in for your missing neurons.

>>717089665
>but people who use rolling release distributions will try to convince you that you need this morning's updates to your GPU drivers in order to run any games.
People fall for this and then spread bullshit about Nvidia not working on Linux because they use 10 year old drivers

>>717112751
thx bae, I'll check it out

>>717122293
See, you have absolutely fucking nothing besides your critically retarded view on malware anticheats that shouldn't fucking exist to begin with

>>717121951
>Don't care until it has a big company like Valve
you mean like redhat which has 4.5 billion revenue per year and is backed by IBM ?
linux didn't need valve yesterday and it certainly doesn't need it today.

I'll just ask here. What's the best price/performance GPU right now? I'm looking at a RX 7900 XTX right now simply because of the 24GB tag and seeing one below 1k.

I've been out of the gpu market for almost a decade though and might need some spoonfeeding.

>>717122638
Real answer would be to wait for UDNA
If you can't just go for a 9070xt, the jump in raster from it to 7900xtx isn't worth the markup

>>717122402
>This will never happen
Well if not my next GPU has a possibility of being a AMD GPU depending on the price/performance compared to whatever Nvidia has available. So far my 3060 Ti has caused me no issues and i don't have the necessity of changing any time soon
>>717122617
Yes, the fat guy who sells steam games and makes very convenient to play games

>>717121951
>Once a desktop version of steamOS becomes real
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux

>>717122617
>linux didn't need valve yesterday and it certainly doesn't need it today.
Them funding wine is the only reason
desktop Linux is still relevant

>>717123260
Not just WINE, do you realize how much code Valve contributes to mesa nowadays?

>>717081108 (OP)
Is this people actually switching, or is it counting Steam Decks?

>>717122293
NTA but I have used both Windows and Linux in the latest 10 years (you can add my GF's Macbook too for good measure, albeit for fewer years), and all of them have their share of issues—my impression is that you are just used to living with Window's and not Linux's.
If you want something that works OotB without ever needing to fiddle you should, unironically, get a console and call it a day, with a computer you will always have to get your hands dirty one way or the other.

valve needs to start making steam machines and more decks and heavily shill them for it to meaningfully start going up
the giant monolith of normalfag prebuilts and laptops has no chance of budging without a solid push, the last thing those system integrators want to do is rock the boat

>>717123382
Most Deck user are using SteamOS and a few of them Bazzite. Installing any other distro on the Deck would be retarded. >>717093384

>>717121951
>Once a desktop version of steamOS becomes real
Bazzite

>>717122942
Thanks. Yeah, I'm not waiting to see the prices of those new cards be even higher.

>>717123592
Imagine the Steam Deck cut down so that it's the size of a Steam Link... And then sell it as a living room PC.

>>717124573
That's just a raspberry pi in a case.

>>717120453
>Why won't Valve just release a new desktop version of SteamOS?
No use case. You want Linux on a desktop? Install it.
SteamOS is just a handheld-optimized Arch, and the two reasons people think it "just works" better than "normal Linux" are
1. it's made by Valve and "umm le big company support == good" (totally abstract hypothetical bullshit reason with no concrete examples of how SteamOS is actually better than any other distribution with Steam installed) and
2. Steam Deck looks like a console so people treat it like a console i.e. they tend not to break it by pasting random shit into a terminal.
When I first tried Ubuntu, I fell for some "dude Wine is outdated so you NEED to install this testing/staging version" bullshit and fucked up my package management by pasting some recommended commands to "update" Wine to a newer version. It was never necessary; I was just an idiot following what claimed to be babby's first steps to optimize Linux or gaming. I wouldn't have done that on a gaming handheld. If I were even dumber, I would have compared my first Linux desktop experience in which I broke it by being a dumb ass to my first SteamOS handheld experience in which I didn't do that, and go "wowww SteamOS is better than Linux" but really the main difference was that I wasn't needlessly smearing shit all over the SteamOS install with unnecessary "tweaks" when I unboxed my Deck.

>>717123382
See this >>717111202
Deck percentage of Linux is going down while Linux overall is going up.

>>717124964
RPI is ARM. Not the same.

>>717122638
You don't need a $1000 gpu.

>>717125494
Okay, fine, a LattePanda board in a case. Happy?

>>717125893
Very much.

>>717126890
Good, I'm glad we cleared that up.

>>717125178
My point is, you can't expect people to finally ditch Windows if you don't advertise the alternative. For gamers, that easily could've been SteamOS given the strength of Steam's brand name and their direct involvement with Proton, but Valve doesn't even bother to follow through despite them (supposedly) being at odds with M$.

>decided to try out linux (fedora KDE) and gpu is stuck at max memory clock
https://gist.github.com/Filip62/c0f2d9426d5a817f1be608ca98f599cb

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=305909

Nope, i'm going back to windows, at least I have CRU and AMD adrenaline for that shit.

>>717128550
>nope I'm not editing one plaintext configuration file using the output of a tool my distro probably packages, I'd rather use two pieces of bloatware that do the exact same thing using 5X the RAM
Windows users are a joke

>>717084958
MS has taken to that stance as well, forcing out updates for the masses to test and firing their QA team.

>>717119664
>can literally install anything you want without even visitng a website or clicking a executable file
>this isnt streamlined compared to windows
you dont even know anything lol

>>717128926
You're unpaid QA and also the product on windows, so it's arguably worse

>>717128550
I never had this problem with dual monitors across three (3) AMD GPUs on Linux. Get lucky idiot.

>>717122638
personally id buy a 9070XT or a 9060XT depending on how much more the former costs.

>>717128995
>Get lucky idiot.
kek

>>717081354
no you can't transition to linux without transitioning to linux retard

ultimately the thing to take away from these hardware surveys is that gaymers will piss and moan 24/7 about how nvidia and windows sucks ass but only <2% will actually bother to leave their comfort zone and buy a non-nvidia card and use a different os to windows.
in short, you get what you put up with and you are always going to be microsofts bitch.

>>717081108 (OP)
It's actually quite a large amount of growth which is refreshing, intel cpus have been wiped out only recently too so expect those charts to shift RAPIDLY in the coming months/year.

>>717129413
as much as intel brought it on themselves them dying is nothing but bad news for PC hardware going forward.

>>717129339
yes, also known as baby duck syndrome. or stockholm syndrome. who knows!

>>717081108 (OP)
>Install W11 on fairly competent 4-core N97 processor laptop with 16gb DDR5 ram
>Older games run fine, can get 60fps on many actually fun well made games
>Until it decides to randomly fucking steal my processor and disk usage to scan it
>Or update, which takes hours to download and install in the background for some reason
>then it spends 10 minutes restarting despite this
>After that just install winaerotweaker to disable windows updates and ALL bloat
>idle RAM usage drops from 5-6Gb down to 3gb, random CPU/disk usage spikes are gone

I have Linux Mint on the same laptop and it works flawlessly btw, all updates install within seconds/minutes without any snarky shady bullshit happening in the background.

>>717129528
I know, but they were such jewish bastards I can't help but celebrate with one part of my brain even if I know for a fact it IS a bad thing to hand AMD a monopoly.

>>717129797
>3GB of idle RAM usage
Why do people think this is acceptable
>inb4 unused ram is le wasted ram!1!!!
There is a difference between disk cache and actively locked memory.

>>717081263
with windows 10 support ending hopefully there will be another boost
current and future steam handhelds are pretty much guaranteed to run linux also

>>717129843
if you think intel are jewish bastards just wait until you only buy a CPU from AMD lol.
its not like these things can be course corrected quickly, you'll be left with a 4 - 5 year monopoly minimum (provided NVIDIA dont go in on offering consumer CPU's which they wont).

>>717092714
>download pirated game
>add it to steam
>run it through proton

Works every time.
Gabe does NOT give a shit.

>>717128550
1 - How does this not happen on Nvidia under Linux?
2 - How does this not happen on any vendor under Windows?
3 - What is the bug, exactly? Can it even be properly fixed? How can it?

>>717130216
>How does this not happen on Nvidia under Linux?
NVidia is an entirely different graphics stack and doesn't go through the whole DRM infrastructure, never mind the amdgpu driver/firmware where this problem actually is.
>How does this not happen on any vendor under Windows?
Because again, entirely different graphics stack.
>What is the bug, exactly?
AMD did a stupid when it comes to VRR and high refresh rates.
>Can it even be properly fixed?
Obviously.
>How can it?
Fuck if I know, people have been bitching at AMD for about a year on the GPU staging repo and they can't even be arsed to investigate it.