after knowing next to nothing about this game i wanted to give it a shot, but im 4 hours in and im not feeling the combat, i just feel like im doing nothing, maybe it gets better later? but as the core for the combat im not a fan so far

>maybe it gets better later
nope. you got memed. accept it and move on.

>>717091318 (OP)
it never does. 12 is when FF went to utter shit, the story is awful, the combat is awful, half the cast is awful, the environments are awful.
Skip.

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>>717091318 (OP)
>game automates selecting [Attack]
>wow there's no gameplay
How come no one ever reacts with
>wow manually selecting [Attack] over and over again was fucking stupid I'm glad they changed it

>>717093212
because at least I get to push a button, faggot

>>717093212
It's moreso the way it just removes the veil. I can't remember where I heard it but I once saw someone say

Fun = Meaningful Decisions/ Time

It's why games with a lot of options tend to be better received. Older JRPGs aren't necessarily technical marvels but at the least clicking the button is a decision you the player has to make. As JRPGs start to automate that part more and more, it's taking the decision making away. In FF12, like 80% of the meaningful decisions happen in the Gambit menu. With some maintenence being done for whatever Gambits can't handle. That's why 12 catches shit for it. 13 even catches shit for that.

The combat is pretty weak. Feels like how an old MMO would play

>>717094365
>old MMO
ahh yeah FFXIV is my favorite old mmo

>>717091318 (OP)
skill issue
XII is peak high fantasy kino

I could have used something like skillchains/magic bursts from FFXI. I liked what it was going for, I just think it lacked depth.

Shame they never really evolved this system, I actually think the 'MMO-like' style of Final Fantasy was the best they ever came up with.

>>717091318 (OP)
FF is a really series

>>717094485
FF14 is old enough that I wouldn't find it sexually attractive anymore.

>>717094776
i love the aesthetic its probably got my favorite artstyle for a FF game, and gideon emery is already killing it as balthier
the combat is the one thing ive known about the game for years, and finally experiencing it myself its just not clicking

>>717091318 (OP)
The combat get's a little better when you get more gambits that lets you fine tune your companions.
So if you like that strategy/puzzle like aspect of combat, it can be rewarding.
It's like playing an idle game where you just watch the combat then experience the story.

>>717091318 (OP)
ff12 is meh as fuck. gambits make the game play itself.

>>717091318 (OP)
If you don't like it now, you won't like it later. The story and characters aren't good enough to prop up the mediocrity of the gameplay like other FF games

>>717094485
It's more like XI with the menu combat.
Which feels really old school like you're playing a html rpg

>>717091318 (OP)
Combat in this game is more about planning how you want it to pan out ahead of time and then sometimes reacting when something inevitably fucks up
I'm also not huge on the combat, but the story is good, characters are good and it has pretty expansive side content with a myriad of optional and secret bosses (which is my thing) so I look past it.
It's not for everyone, and I'm not gonna lie and say it gets better (it does get more interesting though), but it is still a good game, despite everything.

>>717091318 (OP)
Just started this myself. It's one of those games I just never got around to before and am finally trying. Please tell me it's better than Final Fantasy 13 at least. That game left such a bad impression on me that I abandoned this series for nearly a decade. I've never played 12,14,15 or 16 are any of them actually good?

>>717091318 (OP)
You play FFXII for the settings, not the story nor the gameplay.

Why do people complain about gambits so much when planning and prep work before a battle is a good 80% of the gameplay in a turn based JRPG?

Licensed and gambits really are the game. The builds happen in the menus and the results play out on the battlefield. Is it pleasingly kinetic like an ARPG? No. It's also not 4 niggas in a row, but if you think of it as "front loading" all the button presses.

>>717093020
It has some of the best environments in the series Ranjeesh

>>717096967
you're fucking retarded

>>717096362
This. I’m a major FF12 apologist,but the combat really isn’t its best strength,the phenomenal VAs and how incredible Ivalice is are what carry it. LOADS of side content too. All the hunts and rare monsters and espers,loads of secrets.

>>717091318 (OP)
>story is shit
>characters are shit
>gameplay is shit unless you like zen auto-battlers you can play while sleeping
>music is alright

>>717097136
Cry more ranjeesh. Not an argument. You have to be white to post here.

>>717093212
>>wow manually selecting [Attack] over and over again was fucking stupid I'm glad they changed it
exactly what i thought as soon as i first tried the demo and i've loved it ever since
shame jrpg fans are genuinely complete brainlets

>>717091318 (OP)
you're playing the worst possible version of this game. emulate it on pcsx2, playing it on a crt with original hardware, or you're getting an insanely casualized experience by comparison and the game itself was never hard to begin with. I fucking hate how this is the only modern version of this game.

>>717099453
the best way to play it is on pc with mods and the original version is by far the worst version because you don't get gambits until many many hours in, meaning you have to play manually which is fucking terrible.

>>717099453
What's different? I saw a few mentions of the job system being changed but is it really drastic

>>717099951
the job system they added would be fine in itself but they give you the option to add another job which the game isn't balanced for. so unless you intentionally gimp yourself, you're steamrolling the entire thing. and even if you do, they now give you control of guests and summons who have really powerul moves with no resource penalty so there are no situations you can't just summon and murder your way out of.

>>717100248
I would only ever play the struggle for freedom mod of this port but even then you can still abuse summons and guests. it's just sad. that'll be the version that survives

>>717091318 (OP)
Try turning off your Gambits.
Suddenly, it's exactly the same menu-navigating action-select ATB you're used to! Be sure to wait your turn!!

>>717100248
>when you start the game up, you have the option to choose very easy difficulty, so unless you're intentionally gimping yourself you'll just never feel any challenge
when you write shit like this do you even think about it for a second or do you just spew and hope everyone that reads it is mentally retarded like you

>>717101942
retard

>>717102461
no u

>>717091318 (OP)
>i wanted to give it a shot, but im 4 hours in and im not feeling the combat,
play the vanilla PS2 version (it play perfectly on the emulator) search for
>Final_Fantasy_XII_USA_PS2_DVD
.the gameplay is faaar more interesting and challenging. they botched the balancing with the remaster.